Re: Extended ASCII Characters

2002-01-15 Thread Thomas F

Hi Dierk,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:41:11 +0100GMT (15/01/2002, 02:41 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH With that numbers (as you gave them) I get what you see above. They
DH are ASCII. For ANSI you'll need a leading 0 (see below in same order
DH as above):

There is no difference here whether I add a leading zero or not.

alt-128: €
alt-0128: €

DH BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right Alt+e?

Left alt and right alt have the same effect: alt-e open the Edit menu
in the editor window. crtl-alt-e has no effect.

I am using a US keyboard. Well, I can switch to Chinese mode, but
that's not the point. ;-)

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

2002-01-15 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Thomas!

On 15 Jan 2002 at 9:00:32 am you wrote:

 There is no difference here whether I add a leading zero or not.

 alt-128: €
 alt-0128: €

Hmm, that's funny ... I'd like to know what happens at your end since
in ASCII and in ANSI there are definitely different symbols assigned.

Can anybody help out with an explanation?


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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

2002-01-15 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Jan!

On 15 Jan 2002 at 3:20:20 am you wrote:

   I'd take a Porsche over a Mercedes any day.

Well, both are German luxury cars ... which means most Germans like
them, virtually every non-German, and me not.

I'd rather have a good British (they are mostly half American today),
Italian or French car. Even the Spanish version of German cars (Seat)
I'd much prefer to the German counterparts (VW).

Sorry for being off-topic, needed a bit of comic relief here. :-)



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Re: Auto Responding to SpamCop

2002-01-15 Thread Elwin Oost

Unfortunately, this method doesn't include HTML mail but only the ascii
interpretation; as such the HTML cannot be parsed which limits the
usefulness for Spamcop :-/

--Elwin

On Monday, January 14, 2002, 5:24:22 PM, Jan wrote:

 Hello Bat Folk.

   There's been a fair amount of traffic on how to
   automate a reply to SpamCop w TB! Maybe this will
   help those who are having a problem with this
   process.

   First, from the SpamCop website @ URL are
   instructions which you must follow.

 ,- [To register w SpamCop go to URL]
 |
 | http://spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml
 | 
 | SpamCop FAQ : Parsing and reporting spam : 
 | How do I submit spam via email? 
 | To use the Email submission system you
 | now have to register for a SpamCop account.
 | 
 | Once you have confirmed your registration, go to your
 | SpamCop home page (either http://spamcop.net/ or
 | http://members.spamcop.net/). Right below the Welcome
 | message you will notice a coded email address.
 | 
 | This is your personal email address that you can
 | forward spam to. Spam you forward to this address will
 | have a reply (containing the parsing link) to the
 | address you used to register with SpamCop.
 '-

   This is what I did to automate the TB! process which
   works for me ( hopefully will work for you)

 ,- [TB! setup]
 | Create a color group
 | Create a 'Read' filter
 | Rule Name = Forward to SpamCop (or your choice)
 | Strings = 
 | Rule is Active
 | Options = Execute by Hot Key (your choice)
 | Actions:
 |   Set msg color group (your choice)
 |   Delete the msg
 |   Send Auto Reply
 |Template =
 |  %HEADERS
 |  %TEXT
 |  %TO=
 |  %TO=submit.(spamcop_generated_unique_address).spamcop.net
 |  %ACCOUNT=your choice
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   HTH



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Re: Text phrase in filter string

2002-01-15 Thread Gerard de Vries

 
ON Monday, January 14, 2002, 11:57:38 PM, you wrote:

Roelof Hello Gerard,

Roelof On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:26:10 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 21:26 +0100GMT, where
Roelof I live), you wrote:

JN Will the program search for any one of the words?  Or all three in any
JN order?  Is this the point at which I should finally learn regex?

Roelof Depends on it. If your string is I want more, than you don't need
Roelof regexp,

GdV  Could you not just filter using I  want  more in text?

Roelof Sure, but Joseph said the sequence mattered. And that's something else
Roelof than the occurrence of the three words.
Roelof It's rather simple to create a filter that checks on the three words.
Roelof Just create three conditions:
Roelof String: I   Place: Text   Presence: Yes
Roelof String: wantPlace: Text   Presence: Yes
Roelof String: morePlace: Text   Presence: Yes

Roelof Een kind kan de was doen.
Roelof Oops, Sorry! I meant: A piece of cake. ;-)

I must have misread it then. I thought he meant that he just wanted to
know if those 3 words were in the email in any locating, irrespective of
the position.
But I checked and you are right; (Foutje , bedankt)

I guess this is were he has to earn regexp. ;-)

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

2002-01-15 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 12:20:27 AM PST, Dierk Haasis wrote:

 Why, o why ... again a superfluous HTML mail with bad wrapping ...

Give them an inch, and they take up the whole road...  :-(

It really is a dangerous line to cross.  People always talk about
their plans for only the most judicious use of the stuff, but once
it's at their finger tips, they lose perspective.  ack.

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

2002-01-15 Thread Alastair Scott

On 15 January 2002 at 8:31 am Dierk wrote:

 Well, both are German luxury cars ... which means most Germans like
 them, virtually every non-German, and me not.

 I'd rather have a good British (they are mostly half American today),
 Italian or French car. Even the Spanish version of German cars (Seat)
 I'd much prefer to the German counterparts (VW).

 Sorry for being off-topic, needed a bit of comic relief here. :-)

As long as you don't have a British railway :P

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

2002-01-15 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Ray!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 11:19:43 pm you wrote:

 I just like to see HTML and every now and then write html.

Every now and then? Shouldn't HTML messages only be used if
necessary? I mean, you send a pure plain text message as HTML - just
to annoy us?

Or are you trying to make a point like *A Modest Proposal* did?



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Re[3]: Changing received message subject

2002-01-15 Thread John Kennett

On 14 Jan 2002 at 19:13 Elwin wrote:
 On Monday, January 14, 2002, 5:38:33 AM, Thomas wrote:

 No, TB does not allow you to alter incoming messages at all. Has been
 the cause of heated discussions already, so let's not start that
 again. ;-)

 Actually, when I needed it I found a way you can do so B)

Thanks all for the suggestions!

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

2002-01-15 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Ray!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 10:32:18 pm you wrote:

 I could go on for a while but till now i realy like the
 slickinterface of PocoMail a lot better than the Bat and also
 itsHTML-possibility.

  

 The Bat in my eyes is developping towards a more and more
 hightechmailer (I am an Unix guru for 12 years now so i know what
 i amtalking about) I like also pretty mails and some cute decoration
 inmy day to day mail-life!

 Indeed all the bugs that are still there in the Bat is getting
 mefinaly. Poco seems to be a lot more stable.

  

 Well i will playing around for some time with Pocomail and see
 howthings develop. But going back to the Bat is like stepping in an
 old(but good driving) car ;-]

So, you like pretty mails and cute decoration. How come your mail
was so ugly? This is not to be taken too seriously or even personal,
I'm trying to make a point about nice looks, cute decorations and
HTML.

The formatting of your mail wasn't that reader-friendly, it also left
some desirability for replying. Due to overlong lines I had to
reformat (Alt+l) and still there are big holes between the texts.
Working some time in advertising I can assure you that I know the
importance of Weißraum (literally: white space), but there is much
too much in your mail.

Since most of us will make typing errors particularly in e-mail, I am
most of the time tolerant about them, but have you seen how many you
made? And of what kind? One can get the feeling you don't regard your
readers much ...

And why, for Heaven's sake, did you send a message, which doesn't need
any fancy formatting, in HTML? You didn't even *use* it for your
reader's sake, just for some show, Hey, I can do it!.

Did I get your point, your irony?



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Re: add/modify Header fields

2002-01-15 Thread Gerard de Vries

 
ON Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 4:16:36 AM, you wrote:

Scott Hello Gerard,

Scott Sunday, January 13, 2002, 2:55:19 AM, you wrote:

Scott If I am right you are asking for the ability to add Extension
Scott fields or User-defined-fields. If the Bat allowed the
Scott Keywords field then that could be filtered on also.

Scott I think that something like that would be useful too.

Thank you

GdV   Funny thing is I was a Agent user before I switched to TB but never
GdV   found the header altering functions.

Scott AFAIK you can alter the value of pretty much any header field, but
Scott at:
Scott http://www.skuz.net/madhat/agent/agent.modified.html
Scott there is info on adding or altering the fields themselves. I
Scott haven't tried this myself.

I can understand now why I never found this option. I will have to get
my HEX-editor out :-)

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Re: wrapping

2002-01-15 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Nick,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 6:30:28 am you wrote (at least in part):

  Wrap is set at 70
   autoformat: disabled

NA enable autoformat

IMHO a bad suggestion :-) 'autowrap' has ever been enough to me, never
needed 'autoformat', always cursed it when it was accidentally
switched on. :-)

NA You can turn PGP's wrapping off

THIS will me the solution IMHO :-)
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Re: Wish: More e-mail directories

2002-01-15 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Dierk,

On 14 Jan 2002 at 7:18:28 pm you wrote (at least in part):

DH How about adding MESA (a Hanover/Germany based Meta search engine for
DH e-mails), Yahoo, Lycos ...?

No problem. Figure out how they're accessed via LDAP and you're done
:-) Create a new address book, e.g. 'MESA', assign the correct
LDAP-server and properties and you will be able to search it :-) If
you have a closer look at your address books you'll see all ABs you
mentioned are LDAP-based address books and shown with a green icon.

BTW: I do in fact already have an entry for Yahoo! People Search.
It's using ldap server ldap.yahoo.com port 389.
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Re: add/modify Header fields

2002-01-15 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Gerard,

On 13 Jan 2002 at 11:55:19 am you wrote (at least in part):

GdV This list could have a header like: X-List: The BAT, and we
GdV could all filter on it :-0

It could ... but why should it contain more unique to identify strings
in headers as there already are:

List-help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=help
List-unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-ID: The Bat! User Discussion List tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com
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List-post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Most of them used for supporting new mailing list functions in current
Beta series, but e.g. List-ID and Mailing-List are perfect targets
for hooking a filter :-)
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Re: add/modify Header fields

2002-01-15 Thread Gerard de Vries

 
ON Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 12:42:40 PM, you wrote:


Peter It could ... but why should it contain more unique to identify strings
Peter in headers as there already are:

Hi Peter,

I wasn't talking about TB but if you wanted to set-up a mailing list
using TB. Apparently TB is very good for malling lists but it isn't used
by the TB mailing list if you look at the headers.

 If you set up your own mailing list you would like to have all the
 headers you mentioned, or at least a few.

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Re: Auto Responding to SpamCop

2002-01-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Elwin.

At 3:40 AM on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Auto Responding to SpamCop]

Elwin Unfortunately, this method doesn't include HTML
Elwin mail but only the ascii interpretation; as such
Elwin the HTML cannot be parsed which limits the
Elwin usefulness for Spamcop :-/

  While your conclusion may be true, SpamCop accepts 
  processes the spam msgs I send them.

  As for purely html msgs, there was a discussion a
  while back, the bottom line of which, was that TB!
  %HEADERS doesn't include what someone labeled the
  'lower' headers that includes html info.

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Re: ICQ contact list

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Sergey,

On   Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:47:03 +0500GMT (14-1-02, 22:47 +0100GMT,
where I live), you wrote:

SV  Is there a program to convert ICQ contact list information to TB!
SV Address Book? Required fields: name/nick/email/home phone/work phone.

Can you export the icq-list to comma separated values? Those can be
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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Thomas,

On 15 January 2002 at 15:48:25 +0800 (which was 07:48 where I live)
Thomas F wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these points:

MDP No it isn't. That's because colour group membership is a
MDP function of the message list. Messages in the editor are not in
MDP any lists.

 But the colour group is assigned to a message,

To be correct, it is assigned to a message in a list. A message on
its own has no colour. An exported message shows no colour data.

 not to a list. I think it would be a good additional option to be
 able to change the colour group while composing a message.

Perhaps. I'm not sure why a decent set of Sent filters aren't
enough. They work well for me.

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IMAP4 Gothas?

2002-01-15 Thread Gerry Doyon


Greetings Bat! people!

I have recently decided to try a new e-mail service that supports
IMAP4.  I have successfully configured TB! to send and receive my
e-mail using this new service, which incidentally is called
FastMail, at http://www.fastmailfm.

I am a neophyte to IMAP4 and was wondering if any of you out
there can offer me some advice as to what do or not do with a TB!
IMAP4 account.

Has there been any problems downloading/uploading messages, or
syncing up your folders?  That sort of thing.

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Re: add/modify Header fields

2002-01-15 Thread Gerard de Vries

 
ON Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 1:45:41 PM, you wrote:

Peter Nevertheless, I do completely agree it would be a benefit if we could
Peter add additional headers to outgoing mails, but I wouldn't need them for
Peter ML functionality but several other issues :-)


O yes, those other uses are nice to and strictly for fun :-)

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DEAD HORSE (was Re: : HTML based emails)

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Alastair,

On 15 January 2002 at 09:32:16 + Alastair Scott wrote to Dierk
Haasis and made these points:

 Sorry for being off-topic, needed a bit of comic relief here. :-)

 As long as you don't have a British railway :P

moderator
While I understand and sympathize with the sentiment, traffic is *way*
high at the moment and I have to kill this thread.

Please take it to TBOT or off-list.
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Re[2]: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Joseph N.

 To be correct, it is assigned to a message in a list. A message on
 its own has no colour. An exported message shows no colour data.

Well, I dunno.  A message is assigned to a color group.  It has the
color group assignment because of the attributes of the message,
irrespective of the list.  Either it has been manually assigned or
automatically assigned.  When the message changes folders or views, it
retains the color group attributes.  It's hard to describe that in any
way other than that the message itself has the color grouping, not the
message in a list.

 not to a list. I think it would be a good additional option to be
 able to change the colour group while composing a message.

 Perhaps. I'm not sure why a decent set of Sent filters aren't
 enough. They work well for me.

Because filters only work to apply a general set of conditions to a
specific occurrence.  It may be that there is a unique event.  Or that
the general set of conditions cannot be tested by a text string or
other type of test found in the filter.  For example, I might write
you two email messages, but only one, because of its content, requires
assignment to a follow-up color group.  There would be no way to
filter for that.

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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Marck,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:34:28 + GMT (15/01/02, 20:34 +0800 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 But the colour group is assigned to a message,

MDP To be correct, it is assigned to a message in a list. A message on
MDP its own has no colour. An exported message shows no colour data.

The colour is probably in the index file. Like the flag flag. If you
export the message, these flags will be lost. However, as long as the
message is in TB, the flag and the colour will be shown in the message
list, because TB reads the index file, and this element that indexes
our message also carries the flags. So the flags are assigned to the
message. ;-)

 not to a list. I think it would be a good additional option to be
 able to change the colour group while composing a message.

MDP Perhaps. I'm not sure why a decent set of Sent filters aren't
MDP enough. They work well for me.

They are enough; they are more. More work that is. For some reason, I
don't have an algorithm why I want this message yellow or that message
pink, it might have something to do with the contents. Or colours
might just be my way of marking messages with different numbers of
attachments.

If you just hit a button or navigate to a menu item and set the colour
in a fly just sounds faster to me than creating a filter. ;-)

If, OTOH, you colour-code all messages to a particular recipient,
then you would create a filter, of course. But the menu item won't
hurt you either.

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DEAD HORSE (was [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails)

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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On 15 January 2002 at 09:09:18 +0100 (which was 08:09 where I live)
Dierk Haasis wrote to Ray Vermey and made these points:

 Did I get your point, your irony?

moderator
This topic has gone way off and I am forced to pronounce it dead.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

Thank you.
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Re: add/modify Header fields

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Gerard,

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:48:37 +0100GMT (12-1-02, 16:48 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

GdV   I have been receiving emails with all sorts of header fields,

GdV   My question is can I make my own and/or modify existing ones?

I just realized it should be possible to insert whatever header
you'd like.
Edit your message
Export to message file
Edit the number.msg file
Import the message file
Send it.

Of course I had to check this possibility. ;-) And it has one tiny
little problem. After exporting and importing you can't edit the file
before sending, because as soon as you edit the message the special
header disappears. :-(

Just check the headers of this message.

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Re: IMAP4 Gothas?

2002-01-15 Thread Markus Gloede

Hi,

On 15 Jan 2002, 13:48:29, Gerry Doyon wrote:

 Has there been any problems downloading/uploading messages, or syncing
 up your folders? That sort of thing.

I also have a fastmail account and I didn't get the Bat to see all IMAP
folders on the server. This has been confirmed to be a problem (of the
Bat) in a fastmail related online forum
( http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/showthread.php?s=threadid=1805 ).

So, we have to wait until the Bat's IMAP support gets better. :(

Regards,

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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Joseph,

On 15 January 2002 at 07:01:18 -0600 (which was 13:01 where I live)
Joseph N. wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

 ... For example, I might write you two email messages, but only one,
 because of its content, requires assignment to a follow-up color
 group.  There would be no way to filter for that.

See my reply to Thomas for a suggestion of how to manage this.

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Re[2]: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Joseph N.

Marck, you are going at this from a direction that is worth examining.
Yes, one could create a nonsense text code, create a filter, remember
to add the text code or place it in a QT, and assume that the
recipient will ignore it for not knowing what it means.  But is that
what a robust end-user application should require in 2002?  No.  It is
going backward to command line interfaces.  You could do it; I could
do it, although plainly I could not think of it; most people on this
list could do it. But most people using email clients could not or
will not do it.  I won't argue with the suggestion that it might be
too difficult from an engineering standpoint; I haven't the foggiest
idea.  But, if it's not, it might be worthy of wish-list status.

JN


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 On 15 January 2002 at 20:56:33 +0800 (which was 12:56 where I live)
 Thomas F wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these points:

 They are enough; they are more. More work that is. For some reason,
 I don't have an algorithm why I want this message yellow or that
 message pink, it might have something to do with the contents. Or
 colours might just be my way of marking messages with different
 numbers of attachments.

 Suggestion: use a textual tag code (make up a unique set) in the
 signature and filter on that. Like msgc1, msgc2, msgc3 or even
 something more meaningful but equally unlikely to appear in the text

 If, OTOH, you colour-code all messages to a particular recipient,
 then you would create a filter, of course. But the menu item won't
 hurt you either.

 No, but if my understanding of the software engineering aspects of the
 object construction is correct (and I'm sure it is, although it
 doesn't match your quite correct semantic definition of colours
 belonging to messages) then it will be harder to implement than you
 think. I'm just trying to work with what we've got and spare Stef and
 Max from having to add extra functionality to make thing that can
 already be done, easier.

 Hey, aren't you a signed up member of the 'fix the bugs first'
 brigade, eh ;-)?

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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Thomas,

On 15 January 2002 at 20:56:33 +0800 (which was 12:56 where I live)
Thomas F wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these points:

 They are enough; they are more. More work that is. For some reason,
 I don't have an algorithm why I want this message yellow or that
 message pink, it might have something to do with the contents. Or
 colours might just be my way of marking messages with different
 numbers of attachments.

Suggestion: use a textual tag code (make up a unique set) in the
signature and filter on that. Like msgc1, msgc2, msgc3 or even
something more meaningful but equally unlikely to appear in the text

 If, OTOH, you colour-code all messages to a particular recipient,
 then you would create a filter, of course. But the menu item won't
 hurt you either.

No, but if my understanding of the software engineering aspects of the
object construction is correct (and I'm sure it is, although it
doesn't match your quite correct semantic definition of colours
belonging to messages) then it will be harder to implement than you
think. I'm just trying to work with what we've got and spare Stef and
Max from having to add extra functionality to make thing that can
already be done, easier.

Hey, aren't you a signed up member of the 'fix the bugs first'
brigade, eh ;-)?

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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Joseph,

On 15 January 2002 at 08:36:58 -0600 (which was 14:36 where I live)
Joseph N. wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

 .. But is that what a robust end-user application should require in
 2002?  No.

Agreed. It is too complex, but it is doable. I might suggest that
those end users who couldn't do it wouldn't actually have thought of
colour coding messages in the first place g.

 .. it might be too difficult from an engineering standpoint; I
 haven't the foggiest idea.  But, if it's not, it might be worthy of
 wish-list status.

Also agreed :-).

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

2002-01-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Dierk.

At 3:31 AM on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 you wrote the
following in response to my comments [[OT sort of]
PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails]

   I'd take a Porsche over a Mercedes any day.

Dierk Well, both are German luxury cars ... which
Dierk means most Germans like them, virtually every
Dierk non-German, and me not.

Dierk I'd rather have a good British (they are mostly
Dierk half American today), Italian or French car.
Dierk Even the Spanish version of German cars (Seat)
Dierk I'd much prefer to the German counterparts (VW).

Dierk Sorry for being off-topic, needed a bit of comic
Dierk relief here. :-)

  None of which has anything to do with 'performance'
  which was my point but I always welcome comic relief.

  :-)

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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Joseph,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:36:58 -0600GMT (15-1-02, 15:36 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

JN Yes, one could create a nonsense text code, create a filter, remember
JN to add the text code or place it in a QT, and assume that the
JN recipient will ignore it for not knowing what it means.

You could create a QT with the %Comment command and a nonsense string.
You wouldn't see it, the recipient wouldn't see it and if he'd see it
then he'd assume it was some comment for your personal use. And he'd
be right too. ;-)

BTW You quoted Marck's entire message in your mail. Why? g,dr

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DEAD HORSE (was [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails)

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Jan,

On 15 January 2002 at 10:45:52 -0500 (which was 15:45 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote to Dierk Haasis and made these points:

   ... but I always welcome comic relief.

   :-)

moderator
This topic has gone way off and I am forced to pronounce it dead.

While I understand and sympathize with the sentiment, traffic is *way*
high at the moment and I have to kill this thread.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

Thank you.
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Automated Dead Equine??

2002-01-15 Thread Nick Danger

Mainly to Marck, but perhaps other moderators could answer...

Do you automate via filters your dead horse notifications?

It just hit me as I noticed what I think is the same nomenclature in
the last couple of them for the Poco mail thread.  It seems possible
to have an inactive DH filter that once you deem a thread dead you
could paste the pertinent part of the subject into the filter,
activate it, and then automatically send out the DH notice for any
future postings on this subject.

Of course, this is just off the top of my head and not at all thought
out so if I'm talking jibberish just ignore me.

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Re[2]: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Joseph N.

 You could create a QT with the %Comment command and a nonsense
 string. You wouldn't see it, the recipient wouldn't see it and if
 he'd see it then he'd assume it was some comment for your personal
 use. And he'd be right too. ;-)

I'm not familiar with that command.  Doesn't it put text from the
header into the body?  If not, where could I find something on what it
does and how to do it?

 BTW You quoted Marck's entire message in your mail. Why? g,dr

I have no idea.  I don't have a copy any longer, and it's not what I
would normally do.  Probably just a rare fit of speed


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Re: DEAD HORSE (was [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails)

2002-01-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Marck.

At 11:03 AM on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 you wrote the
following about [DEAD HORSE (was [OT sort of] PocoMail-
was Re[4]: HTML based emails)]

Marck [...] I am forced to pronounce it dead. [/...]
Marck Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

  Sorry, Mark. I actually thought I had done that;
  guess I goofed. Apologies.

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Re[2]: Auto Responding to SpamCop

2002-01-15 Thread Elwin Oost

On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 12:58:15 PM, Jan wrote:

   While your conclusion may be true, SpamCop accepts 
   processes the spam msgs I send them.

True, but for HTML spam (which most is) very important information is
lost and thus only a fraction is reported. (see the warning Spamcop always
gives for plaintexted HTML)

Only the open-relay and hopefully origin can be retrieved from the
headers; all contact information for the spammer (web addresses, email
addresses) cannot be retrieved, and thus the spammer's means of potential
profit cannot be blocked!

   As for purely html msgs, there was a discussion a
   while back, the bottom line of which, was that TB!
   %HEADERS doesn't include what someone labeled the
   'lower' headers that includes html info.

I'm unsure what those 'lower' headers would be? It seems to me like the
only thing necessary is that the message source (as given by F9) should be
passed instead of the plaintext...

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Re[2]: Adressbook

2002-01-15 Thread Ralf Heinl

Hello Roelof,

RH can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
RH The Bat! to use a special Adressbook?

RO HKCU-Software-RIT-The Bat!- Address Book
This key does not exist on my WS!


RO Don't whether it may occur more than once.

Thank you

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Re: Color Groups

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Joseph,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:36:18 -0600GMT (15-1-02, 17:36 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

 You could create a QT with the %Comment command and a nonsense

JN I'm not familiar with that command.  Doesn't it put text from the
JN header into the body?  If not, where could I find something on what it
JN does and how to do it?

%comment has two uses:
COMMENT Copy the text of the comment RFC-822 header into the message body
COMMENT =text add a text comment RFC-822 header to a message

So a QT with this statement:
%comment=blue

Gives a message header:
Comment: blue

A sent filter checking on Comment: blue could color the message
yellow. Anybody asking about those colors would get the answer that
your mailer uses those comments for color coding. ;-)
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Re: Adressbook

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Ralf,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:01:34 +0100GMT (15-1-02, 18:01 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RH can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
RH The Bat! to use a special Adressbook?

RO HKCU-Software-RIT-The Bat!- Address Book
RH This key does not exist on my WS!

Weird. Maybe it's a leftover from an older version, that might explain
why it refers to a non-existing file.

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Bat! 1.53t Anomalies

2002-01-15 Thread Andrew Aronoff

Hello.

I've been using The Bat! for about a week. I've noticed a number of
anomalies (on my system, at least). They are listed in no particular
order. Can you reproduce them?

1. Nicked nicknames

AB entry nicknames don't always autocomplete to the saved entry and
Ctrl+ doesn't always work. Despite repeated attempts, I have been
unable to figure out why.

I've found that if Ctrl+ doesn't work at first, *sometimes* it will
start working after pressing the down arrow (or the up arrow) and then
returning to the field.

Can anyone figure out what needs to happen for a nickname to work the
first time, every time?

2. Hidden addresses... not

Addresses in AB groups that have the option Hide items if not
explicitly selected checked will still be displayed in the AB when
the AB icon to the right of the To: field in the message editor is
pressed.

The entries will stay hidden if the group is moved to another address
book.

3. Editable header fields... not?

The message editor's editable header fields are not displayed as
editable.

Editable fields are typically displayed differently from non-editable
fields. TB! does not distinguish between the two, which is extremely
confusing and very easy to change.

4. Browser append appendage

Filter, Actions tab, check Export message to file, select Append to
existing file, press Browse, find the directory, add a new file name.
This results in an error if the file doesn't already exist. If the
browser is not used and the file name is simply added to the field, no
error occurs.

Since append creates a file if none exists, the Browse button should
permit navigation to the desired directory and accept any filename.

5. Two mailtos

TB! adds the command string:

HKCR\mailto\shell\open\command\D:\Internet\The Bat!\thebat.exe %1

when TB! is set to be the default mail client. On my system, this
results in *two* message windows if TB! is not running and a mailto
link is clicked. Only a single message window is created if TB! is
already running. I don't think the %1 parameter is needed. A better
command string might be:

HKCR\mailto\shell\open\command\D:\Internet\The Bat!\thebat.exe/nologo

This works correctly on my system with mailto links whether or not TB!
is running.

6. Leaving the last attachment

If a message contains several attachments and they are deleted by
pressing the Del key, the last attachment can't be deleted. The
message must first be moved to another folder.

7. Getting to the bottom of the AB name display

When the cursor is held over an AB name, the e-mail addresses display
in a drop-down window. If the list of e-mail addresses extends beyond
the bottom of the computer screen, the addresses flash repeatedly.

8. Underspec of the overlap

There is no option to scroll a message with the space key or PgDn with
single- or multi-line overlap. A single line of overlap helps retain
context while reading. This is so commonly employed by programs that I
consider this to be an anomaly rather than an enhancement.

9. Just a pretty title

Note the number of messages in a folder. Double-click a message in
that folder with an attachment for viewing. Delete the attachment in
the viewer, then delete the message by clicking on the viewer trash
can icon. The message title will remain displayed in the folder's
right pane, but the folder shows 1 less message in the left pane's
total.

10. Auto-saving save save save

Set up an account to store attachments in a separate directory:
Properties, Files  directories, File attachments are stored:,
(choose) Separate from messages in special directory, Directory:
(select a directory for the attachments).

Set up auto-save for the message editor: Options, Editor Preferences,
Auto-save every: 20 sec.

Start a new message and attach a file, filename.ext, by clicking on
the Attach a file icon. Type some text in the message body. Wait 20
seconds. Type some more text. The attached files directory will
contain two copies of the attachments, filename1.txt and
filename2.ext. If the message is edited over a period of 20 minutes,
there will be *many* copies of the file.

If the message is cancelled by pressing the Cancel the message icon,
you will be prompted with, This message was automatically saved.
Would you like to keep the saved copy? Press No. The message will
not be saved, but all the copies of the attachment will remain in the
attachments directory.

11. Save message, lose data

Open a message and click on Save as... and select a filename.ext
that exists already. There will be two successive dialog boxes. The
first will ask if the message should be overwritten. The default is
YES, which destroys data. If NO is selected, the second dialog box
will ask if the message should be appended. The default here is YES.

Only a single dialog box is really necessary: The file filename.ext
already exists. Do you want to append or overwrite this file? Append
(default)  Overwrite  Cancel.

The default choice should _always_ be to preserve rather than 

Re: Adressbook

2002-01-15 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Ralf,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 6:01:34 pm you wrote (at least in part):

RO HKCU-Software-RIT-The Bat!- Address Book
RH This key does not exist on my WS!

Because it _does not_ exist like my even done checking confirm.

The address book used for an account is written in binary formatted
account config file, located in account dir, named 'account.cfg'. Do a
hex view at one if this files and in the very last line you might find
the complete path to the set up address book. But be aware of editing,
the file format is not documented, you might destroy your whole
account configuration!!!
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Re: Automated Dead Equine??

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Nick,

On 15 January 2002 at 10:20:28 -0600 (which was 16:20 where I live)
Nick Danger wrote to The Bat! User List and made these points:

 Do you automate via filters your dead horse notifications?

I don't.

 It just hit me as I noticed what I think is the same nomenclature in
 the last couple of them for the Poco mail thread.

They were, but that's because I have a QT to do it. I have instigated
this because DH threads are harder to call a halt on these days. There
are a lot of folks on the list and threads get split at many levels
and in many directions.

I have found that, unless all side threads are stopped, the rehashing
of old points starts again.

The QT is a quick and dirty way of reinforcing the dead status of the
thread without taking too much effort.

 Of course, this is just off the top of my head and not at all
 thought out so if I'm talking jibberish just ignore me.

It's a good thought, but I think I'm happy with the QT.

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Re[2]: Adressbook

2002-01-15 Thread Ralf Heinl

Hi Peter,

i've seen this place before and I won't edit it.

But my question to all again:

Where can I fix it?

My programs are in separate folders - the data for each user is in a
separate folder and each user has an own workstation.

Some of my users can use only their own adressbooks - others share it
involuntarily with others.

Thanks

ralf

Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2002 um 18:20 schrieben Sie:

PP Hello Ralf,

PP On 15 Jan 2002 at 6:01:34 pm you wrote (at least in part):

RO HKCU-Software-RIT-The Bat!- Address Book
RH This key does not exist on my WS!

PP Because it _does not_ exist like my even done checking confirm.

PP The address book used for an account is written in binary formatted
PP account config file, located in account dir, named 'account.cfg'. Do a
PP hex view at one if this files and in the very last line you might find
PP the complete path to the set up address book. But be aware of editing,
PP the file format is not documented, you might destroy your whole
PP account configuration!!!



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Re: DEAD HORSE (was [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails)

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Jan,

On 15 January 2002 at 11:34:35 -0500 (which was 16:34 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

Marck [...] I am forced to pronounce it dead. [/...] Please take it
Marck off-list or to TBOT.

   Sorry, Mark. I actually thought I had done that; guess I goofed.
   Apologies.

Accepted ;-).

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Re: Auto Responding to SpamCop

2002-01-15 Thread Geoff Lane

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 5:00:52 PM, Elwin Oost wrote:

 True, but for HTML spam (which most is) very important information is
 lost and thus only a fraction is reported. (see the warning Spamcop always
 gives for plaintexted HTML)
---

Am I missing something here? Following earlier discussions in this
thread, I created the following forward template for my spam folder:

%HEADERS
%TEXT
%TO=
%TO=submit.myaccount.spamcop.net
%ACCOUNT=tb_account

When I click the Forward button for a message in this folder, it is
addressed to my SpamCop reporting address with the original headers
inserted before the plain text version of the message. However, the
message is composed as a multi-part with the HTML attached. So far,
SpamCop seems to have caught the identities hidden in HTML (for
example, something like a href=www.spammy.com/www.goodguy.com/a)

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Re: Adressbook

2002-01-15 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Ralf,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 6:42:43 pm you wrote (at least in part):

RH But my question to all again:

RH Where can I fix it?

RH My programs are in separate folders - the data for each user is in a
RH separate folder and each user has an own workstation.

RH Some of my users can use only their own adressbooks - others share it
RH involuntarily with others.

First: I'd like it if you'd not quote 'TOFU' (or TUFB translating it's
meaning to english: Text Oben Fullquote Unten / Text up full quote
below).
Second: some time ago Dieter mentioned Networking Setup of The Bat!
using The Bat!'s native networking functions ain't working 100% and is
not reliable. Maybe you found one thing that causes this conclusion.
Have you tried changing setup to 'lokal mail server' plus various 'TCP
workstations' using native SMTP/POP3?
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Transferring to a laptop

2002-01-15 Thread Chris Wilson


I have just bought an elderly lap top for programming car ecus. I would
also like to use it whilst out on the road for getting and sending
e-mail. For a start is there an easy way to transfer my existing TB!
setup direct to the laptop, keeping all settings, folders and filters I
am using TB! 1.54 beta 28 so I may also ask on the beta list as well.

Secondly, one I received read and maybe replied to mail on the laptop
can I update my main PC at night so as not to confuse myself with e-mail
marked as read or unread incorrectly? I would like 2 identical copies
running with one updated daily to exactly reflect the other. Possible?
Easy?

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question on buying a licsense

2002-01-15 Thread Nicholas

Hello TBUDL,

  hello my name is Nicholas i am 13 years old i use the bat constantly
  (sine i got it a week or so ago) i want to but a license and i
  don't know which one i should buy.  is there really a difference
  between them? should i get a student or a personal? i am not sure.
  Thanks!

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Numbers in the Subject Line

2002-01-15 Thread GJim

Howdy Ladies and Gents,

How can I turn off the auto-numbering that occurs when replying to
messages?  If another party and I reply back and forth several times,
the subject line has a number that increments each time that I reply.
This could certainly be useful at times, but distracting at other
times.  I note that many of the messages on this user list do not have
the numbers, so there must be a method for disabling this function.  A
cursory search of the help files reveals no solution.

AtDhVaAnNkCsE

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Re: Numbers in the Subject Line

2002-01-15 Thread David van Zuijlekom

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Hello GJim,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 13:15:22 -0700, GJim [G] wrote concerning 'Numbers
in the Subject Line':

G How can I turn off the auto-numbering that occurs when replying to
G messages?

Add %SINGLERE in your reply template(s).

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Re: Auto Responding to SpamCop

2002-01-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Elwin.

At 12:00 PM on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Auto Responding to SpamCop]

   As for purely html msgs, there was a discussion a
   while back, the bottom line of which, was that TB!
   %HEADERS doesn't include what someone labeled the
   'lower' headers that includes html info.

Elwin I'm unsure what those 'lower' headers would be?
Elwin It seems to me like the only thing necessary is
Elwin that the message source (as given by F9) should
Elwin be passed instead of the plaintext...

  I did a side by side comparison on the F9 content 
  the msg generated by my template. They were identical
  unless you know something I don't, a possibility I'm
  definitely happy to entertain.

  The 'lower' header subject came up when I was trying
  to filter for a series of virus msgs which contained
  only html w/o text. TB! was un-able to filter for
  this because, according to those who are a lot
  smarter than I am, it did not look thru all the
  header info. The so called 'lower header' info
  addressed the html content.

  Meantime, SpamCop seems to be finding sufficient info
  from my msgs to process the egregious examples of
  Spam that I send them. Could what I do be improved
  upon; undoubtedly, but I don't know how.

  If you do (or anyone else does), I'm all ears.

  TIA
  
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Re: Auto Responding to SpamCop

2002-01-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Geoff.

At 1:05 PM on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Auto Responding to SpamCop]

Geoff Am I missing something here? [...] the plain
Geoff text version of the message [...] is composed as
Geoff a multi-part with the HTML attached. So far,
Geoff SpamCop seems to have caught the identities
Geoff hidden in HTML (for example, something like a
Geoff href=www.spammy.com/www.goodguy.com/a)

  If, in fact, you are missing something, then I am
  too. And I'm waiting for someone to offer a better
  way to accomplish an automated report to SpamCop.

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Re: question on buying a licsense

2002-01-15 Thread David van Zuijlekom

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Hello Nicholas,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 15:03:45 -0500, Nicholas [N] wrote concerning
'question on buying a licsense':
...
N hello my name is Nicholas i am 13 years old i use the bat
N constantly (sine i got it a week or so ago)

Welcome ;-)

N i want to but a license and i don't know which one i should buy. is
N there really a difference between them? should i get a student or a
N personal? i am not sure.

No there is no difference between them except for the price. I should
go for a student version (mine is a student version too) assuming that
you're a student (looking at your age tells me that you are).

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guide on bat regex

2002-01-15 Thread Nicholas

Hello TBUDL,

  is there a guide for using the bats regex thing?

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Re: [OT]Re: Numbers in the Subject Line

2002-01-15 Thread David van Zuijlekom

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Hello Nick,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 14:18:52 -0600, Nick Danger [ND] wrote concerning
'Numbers in the Subject Line':

 AtDhVaAnNkCsE

ND Cute. Is there a name for this type of puzzle? I seem to recall
ND seeing a bunch of them in an old Games magazine once upon a time
ND but can't recall if there actually is a name for the genre.

A wild guess:

ADVANCE thanks?

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Re[2]: question on buying a licsense

2002-01-15 Thread Nicholas

Hello David,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 3:22:54 PM, you wrote:

DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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DvZ Hello Nicholas,

DvZ On 15 Jan 2002 at 15:03:45 -0500, Nicholas [N] wrote concerning
DvZ 'question on buying a licsense':
DvZ ...
N hello my name is Nicholas i am 13 years old i use the bat
N constantly (sine i got it a week or so ago)

DvZ Welcome ;-)

N i want to but a license and i don't know which one i should buy. is
N there really a difference between them? should i get a student or a
N personal? i am not sure.

DvZ No there is no difference between them except for the price. I should
DvZ go for a student version (mine is a student version too) assuming that
DvZ you're a student (looking at your age tells me that you are).

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DvZ  David

DvZ ** VirusScan:  MS Windows found. Delete? (Y/y) **

DvZ [TB! 1.54 Beta/28] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2]
DvZ  [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM]

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Ok cool thanks! i was just wondering what it meant by student (i
thought it meant for teachers and getting E-mail in school and such)
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Bouncing e-mail

2002-01-15 Thread Gerry Doyon


Hello All!

I have a lame ISP who says that they either can't, or won't,
bounce a copy of all my incoming e-mail to another e-mail service
provider.  So much for $50 U.S. per month for my Timer Warner
Road Runner cable access!!

So, my question is, does anyone know of a way in which I can
bounce e-mail from TB! to my new e-mail service?  One more
statement before you jump to your answerI have lots of
incoming mail filters.  So, where would be the best place to do
this in TB!?

Thanks!

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Re: Bouncing e-mail

2002-01-15 Thread Nicholas

Hello Gerry,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 3:29:05 PM, you wrote:


GD Hello All!

GD I have a lame ISP who says that they either can't, or won't,
GD bounce a copy of all my incoming e-mail to another e-mail service
GD provider.  So much for $50 U.S. per month for my Timer Warner
GD Road Runner cable access!!

GD So, my question is, does anyone know of a way in which I can
GD bounce e-mail from TB! to my new e-mail service?  One more
GD statement before you jump to your answerI have lots of
GD incoming mail filters.  So, where would be the best place to do
GD this in TB!?

GD Thanks!


there are services on the net that can auto check e-mail boxes and than
send all the e-mail in them to another place... i KNOW they exist but
i don't know a URL for one... Good luck

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Re: [OT] Numbers in the Subject Line

2002-01-15 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi David,
On 15 Jan 2002 at 21:25:30 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

 AtDhVaAnNkCsE


DvZ A wild guess:

DvZ ADVANCE thanks?

Nearly, I'd say. It's the word thanks in the word ADVANCE.

Or thanks in ADVANCE.

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Re: Bouncing e-mail

2002-01-15 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
15 Jan 2002, Gerry Doyon wrote:

GD So, my question is, does anyone know of a way in which I can
GD bounce e-mail from TB! to my new e-mail service?  One more
GD statement before you jump to your answerI have lots of
GD incoming mail filters.  So, where would be the best place to do
GD this in TB!?

Option Redirect message to in Filter Actions is right one for this,
if You want to redirect messages by TB.

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Re: Bouncing e-mail

2002-01-15 Thread Ottar Grimstad

Hello Gerry,

15 Jan 2002, 9:29:05 pm, you wrote to TBUDL:

GD So, my question is, does anyone know of a way in which I can
GD bounce e-mail from TB! to my new e-mail service?  One more
GD statement before you jump to your answerI have lots of
GD incoming mail filters.  So, where would be the best place to do
GD this in TB!?

  Make a filter that searchs for @ in Recipient (i.e. ALL messages),
  under action tab select Redirect (scroll down) to your new
  e-mailservice, Under Option select continue processing with other
  filters and place this filter on top. Then all messages will be
  copyed to the new mailaddress but still be handled and sorted
  locally by the rest of your filters.

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Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Colin Grant

Hello TBUDL,

Viewing messages in threaded view is very useful, especially when
participating in a list like TBUDL.

That said, is there a way to delete a complete string of messages? The
only way I have found is to open up the + sign and delete each individual
message. A real pain when you just want to delete a string of messages
of no interest.

Am I missing a trick here?

Another small point, I just spell checked this message following which
the scroll bar on the right of the edit window vanished. Is this a
known fault. I'm running the latest version on winxp.

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Re: Bouncing e-mail

2002-01-15 Thread Gerry Doyon

 
Hello Nicholas, Marek and Ottar,


N there are services on the net that can auto check e-mail boxes and than
N send all the e-mail in them to another place... i KNOW they exist but
N i don't know a URL for one... Good luck

Thank you all for your responses.  I will implement the TB!
Redirect option now and keep looking for a server side POP e-mail
re-directing service.

Thanks!

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Re: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Costas Papadopoulos

Hello Colin,

15 Jan 2002, 10:54:18 pm, you wrote:

 Viewing messages in threaded view is very useful, especially when
 participating in a list like TBUDL.

 That said, is there a way to delete a complete string of messages? The
 only way I have found is to open up the + sign and delete each individual
 message. A real pain when you just want to delete a string of messages
 of no interest.

Press  the  Ctrl-Shift-Delete  keys, without having to open the thread
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Re[2]: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Colin Grant

Hello Costas,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 9:00:22 PM, you wrote:

CP Hello Colin,

CP 15 Jan 2002, 10:54:18 pm, you wrote:

 Viewing messages in threaded view is very useful, especially when
 participating in a list like TBUDL.

 That said, is there a way to delete a complete string of messages? The
 only way I have found is to open up the + sign and delete each individual
 message. A real pain when you just want to delete a string of messages
 of no interest.

CP Press  the  Ctrl-Shift-Delete  keys, without having to open the thread
CP (+) sign.


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Re[2]: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Mary Cassidy

Costas ha scritto:


CP Press  the  Ctrl-Shift-Delete  keys, without having to open the thread
CP (+) sign.


Alternatively, right-click on the (+) sign and hit delete in the drop-down menu.

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Re[3]: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Colin Grant

Hello Mary,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 9:20:56 PM, you wrote:

MC Costas ha scritto:


CP Press  the  Ctrl-Shift-Delete  keys, without having to open the thread
CP (+) sign.


MC Alternatively, right-click on the (+) sign and hit delete in the drop-down menu.


That does not work for me, Mary. It only deletes one message at a
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Re: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread David van Zuijlekom

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Colin,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 21:25:23 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning
'Threaded messages':
...
MC Alternatively, right-click on the (+) sign and hit delete in the
MC drop-down menu.

CG That does not work for me, Mary. It only deletes one message at a
CG time. Costas way works well though

You do have to click on thread and _then_ delete when you right click
on a thread.

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Re[2]: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Colin Grant

Hello David,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 9:38:24 PM, you wrote:

DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
DvZ Hash: SHA1

DvZ Hello Colin,

DvZ On 15 Jan 2002 at 21:25:23 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning
DvZ 'Threaded messages':
DvZ ...
MC Alternatively, right-click on the (+) sign and hit delete in the
MC drop-down menu.

CG That does not work for me, Mary. It only deletes one message at a
CG time. Costas way works well though

DvZ You do have to click on thread and _then_ delete when you right click
DvZ on a thread.

DvZ - --
DvZ Best regards,
DvZ  David

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Tried that, David, but it only deletes one email at a time and not the
entire string of messages behind the + sign.

So far, it is only Costas way that works but then thats easy enough.

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Re[2]: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Nicholas

Hello David,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 4:38:24 PM, you wrote:

DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
DvZ Hash: SHA1

DvZ Hello Colin,

DvZ On 15 Jan 2002 at 21:25:23 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning
DvZ 'Threaded messages':
DvZ ...
MC Alternatively, right-click on the (+) sign and hit delete in the
MC drop-down menu.

CG That does not work for me, Mary. It only deletes one message at a
CG time. Costas way works well though

DvZ You do have to click on thread and _then_ delete when you right click
DvZ on a thread.

DvZ - --
DvZ Best regards,
DvZ  David

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Thanks to whoever sent this i just discovered threaded makes life 100x
easier for reading my 2 mailing lists email messages

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Re: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread David van Zuijlekom

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hello Colin,

On 15 Jan 2002 at 21:44:35 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning
'Threaded messages':

CG Tried that, David, but it only deletes one email at a time and not the
CG entire string of messages behind the + sign.

I think you misunderstood me. If you want to delete a whole thread
with the mouse right click on the message then press 'thread' and than
'delete thread'.

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randomness of cookie

2002-01-15 Thread Rick Reumann

I'm creating a random signature using the cookie template procedure.
Each signature is on it's own line, but I'm wondering if they are
coming up truly randomly. It seems certain ones come up more than
others, but it might just be my imagination.
TIA..or I like that other guy's better AtDhVaAnNkCsE

(see now if we had HTML mail, that AtDhVaAnNkCsE could be much more
exaggerated with a larger font size for the ADVANCE part.. just kiddin
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Re: HTML/RTF

2002-01-15 Thread Nicholas

Hello Colin,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 4:35:24 PM, you wrote:

CG Hello TBUDL,

CG Not wanting to start an HTML war, I agree that web pages do not make
CG for good emails. An RTF capability on the other hand is a useful tool as it allows
CG for the formatting of emails with bullets, underlining etc. This can
CG be a useful function.

CG I appreciate that a way round this is to type up the message in, say,
CG Word and then attach it, but this is not ideal. Of course, being new
CG to Bat! I may be missing something and please shout if this is the
CG case.


also not wanting a war i always thought that something like mIRC codes
would be cool for e-mail (ie ^underline^your underlined text
here^^underline^) or something to that effect heh

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Re: add/modify Header fields

2002-01-15 Thread Urban

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, Gerard de Vries wrote:

 I can understand now why I never found this option. I will have to get
 my HEX-editor out :-)

In (non-free) Agent, this is the way to do it for news, don't know how
it works for e-mail:
Group - Properties for All Groups- Post

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Re: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Colin Grant

Got it, David. Thanks for your patience
Colin
- Original Message -
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To: Colin Grant on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Threaded messages


 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 Hello Colin,

 On 15 Jan 2002 at 21:44:35 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning
 'Threaded messages':

 CG Tried that, David, but it only deletes one email at a time and not the
 CG entire string of messages behind the + sign.

 I think you misunderstood me. If you want to delete a whole thread
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 'delete thread'.

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Re: randomness of cookie

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Rick,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:33:44 -0500GMT (15-1-02, 23:33 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RR I'm creating a random signature using the cookie template procedure.
RR Each signature is on it's own line, but I'm wondering if they are
RR coming up truly randomly.

The longest cookies come up more often.

Compare it with a page with ten quotes.
The first quote is 18 lines, the other nine quotes are one line. Take
a pencil, close your eyes and choose one quote. Chances are two to one
your choosing the big one.



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The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder

2002-01-15 Thread Karin Spaink


I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on
folder level instead of on the account level.

Motivation: I *do* have double messages in a folder on
occasion, but I can never use the feature. I imported my old
mail from Eudora, whoch for years didn't put message-ids in
sent mail, and I fear that Eudora is not the only mailer
having done so. That makes the kill-dupes option quite
useless, unfortunately.



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Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder

2002-01-15 Thread Carren Stuart

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On Wednesday, 16 January 2002 at 11:28 a.m. Karin wrote: 


KS I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on folder
KS level instead of on the account level.

KS Motivation: I *do* have double messages in a folder on occasion,
KS but I can never use the feature. I imported my old mail from
KS Eudora, whoch for years didn't put message-ids in sent mail, and I
KS fear that Eudora is not the only mailer having done so. That makes
KS the kill-dupes option quite useless, unfortunately.


Karin,

Not quite sure what you mean here. The kill dupes feature works fine
for me at both account AND folder level. I use it all the time.

It would seem that the problem lies with your eudora mail rather than
with TB!'s dupe killing function.

My apologies if I have misinterpreted your question! :-)


Carren



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Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder

2002-01-15 Thread Mrten

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Om 23:28 op dinsdag 15 januari 2002, Karin Spaink:

 I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on folder level
 instead of on the account level.

You mean something else then Folder - Kill Dupes? I think I'm confused
now :)

 Motivation: I *do* have double messages in a folder on occasion, but I
 can never use the feature. I imported my old mail from Eudora, whoch for
 years didn't put message-ids in sent mail, and I fear that Eudora is not
 the only mailer having done so. That makes the kill-dupes option quite
 useless, unfortunately.

Have you tried it yet? You might recover using the backup-feature :) I've
found the Kill Dupes feature very, very, useful when transferring from
Eudora. (That, and a program I had to write to filter out (almost) all the
blah-blah HTML-like shit Eudora puts in their message bases)

Mrten.

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Hotkeys wanted ...

2002-01-15 Thread Geoff Lane

Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6


... in a message list, to move to the top or bottom message. My
instinct fails me because neither Ctrl+Home, Ctrl+End, Ctrl+PgUp, nor
Ctrl+PgDn do what I want.

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Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder

2002-01-15 Thread Maurice Snellen

On 15 Jan 2002, at 23:28:30 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:28 where I live)
Karin Spaink wrote:

KS I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on
KS folder level instead of on the account level.

Ehm, you already do. It's in the context-menu of any folder. Also in
the 1.53d, I just checked.

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Re: Transferring to a laptop

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Chris,

On 15 January 2002 at 19:09:06 + Chris Wilson wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

 For a start is there an easy way to transfer my existing TB! setup
 direct to the laptop, keeping all settings, folders and filters

Use TB's Backup facility to create a full archive of the TB data and
settings. Create the primary account on the laptop then restore the
data from the main installation.

 Secondly, one I received read and maybe replied to mail on the
 laptop can I update my main PC at night so as not to confuse myself
 with e-mail marked as read or unread incorrectly? I would like 2
 identical copies running with one updated daily to exactly reflect
 the other. Possible? Easy?

TB Offers Synchronisation tools alongside the backup tools. These do
the job perfectly.

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Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder

2002-01-15 Thread Karin Spaink

On 16-01-2002 at 00:37, Carren Stuart kindly wrote:
 On Wednesday, 16 January 2002 at 11:28 a.m. Karin wrote:

KS I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on folder
KS level instead of on the account level.

 Not quite sure what you mean here. The kill dupes feature works fine
 for me at both account AND folder level. I use it all the time.

Drat, you're right! And to know that I have never noticed...
It used to be on the general folder menu only. I never
re-checked.

hides in shame


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Wanted: testers for Dutch translation

2002-01-15 Thread Maurice Snellen

Listmembers,

I'm looking for people who are willing to test the Dutch version of
the TheBat.LNG file that I'm making for RITLabs. Please contact me
off-list if you want to help. I've tried not to make spelling errors,
but there may be places where I'm overlooking things and it would help
if others would have a look at it.

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Re: Hotkeys wanted ...

2002-01-15 Thread Dave Gorman

Hello Geoff,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 5:36:52 PM, you wrote:

 Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6

 ... in a message list, to move to the top or bottom message. My
 instinct fails me because neither Ctrl+Home, Ctrl+End,
 Ctrl+PgUp, nor Ctrl+PgDn do what I want.

If I understand what you're asking, Home and End do the trick
here.

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Re: Hotkeys wanted ...

2002-01-15 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
Wednesday, January 16, 2002, Geoff Lane wrote:

GL ... in a message list, to move to the top or bottom message. My
GL instinct fails me because neither Ctrl+Home, Ctrl+End, Ctrl+PgUp, nor
GL Ctrl+PgDn do what I want.

Try Home and End :-)

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Re[2]: randomness of cookie

2002-01-15 Thread Alan Poulton

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 3:14:58 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

 The longest cookies come up more often.

 Compare it with a page with ten quotes.
 The first quote is 18 lines, the other nine quotes are one line. Take
 a pencil, close your eyes and choose one quote. Chances are two to one
 your choosing the big one.

How does that work? In my cookie template file, all my cookies are one
one line each, not broken up.

I find that some of my cookies come up more often than others.

I think the ideal way to randomize the cookie file is to have a button
to randomize the cookies internally (mix up the order of the lines),
then simply choose the cookies one at a time.

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Re[2]: randomness of cookie

2002-01-15 Thread Rick Reumann

On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 6:14:58 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:


RO The longest cookies come up more often.

When you say longest you mean just the number of characters? Below
you mention about lines. Each quote only takes up one line (only
one \n at the end ). If it goes by character length could I just
end up adding white spaces to make them all the same length and
thus have the same chance of coming up?

Thanks again.

RO Compare it with a page with ten quotes.
RO The first quote is 18 lines, the other nine quotes are one line. Take
RO a pencil, close your eyes and choose one quote. Chances are two to one
RO your choosing the big one.







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Re: Threaded messages

2002-01-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hi Nicholas,

On 15 January 2002 at 16:43:56 -0500 (which was 21:43 where I live)
Nicholas wrote to David van Zuijlekom and made these points:

 Thanks to whoever sent this i just discovered threaded makes life
 100x easier for reading my 2 mailing lists email messages

moderator
Please can I ask you (and remind others) to pay attention to trimming
quotes when replying to a message.

Thank you.
/moderator

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Re[2]: wrapping

2002-01-15 Thread Luc

It was foretold that on 15-1-2002 @ 15:56:38 GMT+1300 (which was 3:56
where I live) Carren Stuart wrote and spread these wise comments on
wrapping:

CS Looks OK to me - at least in this post. I have my TB! wrap set
CS to 70
CS also and PGP set to 72. That seems to work for me. What do you
CS have
CS PGP set to?

It still comes out at my end with one word of the sentence on one line
and the rest of the sentence on the next line. PGP wrapping is
disabled.

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Re[2]: wrapping

2002-01-15 Thread Luc

It was foretold that on 15-1-2002 @ 11:29:14 GMT+0100 (which was 11:29
where I live) Peter Palmreuther wrote and spread these wise comments
on wrapping:


NA You can turn PGP's wrapping off

PP THIS will me the solution IMHO :-)

 PGP wrapping was already turned off

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Re[2]: wrapping

2002-01-15 Thread Luc

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

It was foretold that on 15-1-2002 @ 21:30:28 GMT-0800 (which was 6:30
where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and spread these wise comments on
wrapping:

NA You can turn PGP's wrapping off altogether because with TB's
NA Editor
NA there is no behind the scenes editing... it's WYSIWYG. :o)

Pgp wrapping was off already. Maybe the autoformat will do the trick,
although i fear (once again ) for my PGP sig.

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Re: randomness of cookie

2002-01-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Rick,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:41:36 -0500GMT (16-1-02, 1:41 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

RO The longest cookies come up more often.
RR When you say longest you mean just the number of characters?

Yep.

RR Below you mention about lines.

As an example, to visualize it.

RR If it goes by character length could I just end up adding white
RR spaces to make them all the same length and thus have the same
RR chance of coming up?

It's worth a try.

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My PGP Key mailto

2002-01-15 Thread Carren Stuart

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

(Re-sent as the original post never appeared!)

Hello all,

Somehow I inadvertently included an incorrect PGP Key request mailto
on some of my posts over the last few days. I have no idea how I
messed it up but could anyone wanting my PGP key please use the mailto
at the bottom of *this* post from now on. This one is correct and will
automatically send you my key.

Sorry for the inconvenience and if anyone has requested my key over
the last couple of days, please try again!

Thanks! :-)

Carren


PGP public key:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Key_Body=Please%20send%20key







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p115CXcMpPMkEETPAVUxtpeE
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Re: Hotkeys wanted ...

2002-01-15 Thread Geoff Lane

Wednesday, January 16, 2002, 12:31:52 AM, Marek Mikus wrote:

 Try Home and End :-)
---

Thanks -- d'oh! why didn't I think of that!

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Re: My PGP Key mailto

2002-01-15 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Carren Stuart,

On Tuesday, January 15 2002 at 06:12 PM PDT, you wrote:

 PGP public key:
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Key_Body=Please%20send%20key

You know, I was just thinking that seeing as you've created an Account
with GMX specifically for PGP Key retrieval only, you should be able to
filter right off the From: header and send your Keys to each request
received. That would allow you to dispense with the
PGP-Key_Body+Please20... and all the rest of that stuff.

You could then place Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nicely tucked away in your
signature where it wouldn't be so intrusive looking. :o)


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Re: My PGP Key mailto

2002-01-15 Thread Melissa Reese

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 7:09:00 PM PST, Nick Andriash wrote:

 You know, I was just thinking that seeing as you've created an
 Account with GMX specifically for PGP Key retrieval only, you should
 be able to filter right off the From: header and send your Keys to
 each request received. That would allow you to dispense with the
 PGP-Key_Body+Please20... and all the rest of that stuff.

 You could then place Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nicely tucked away in
 your signature where it wouldn't be so intrusive looking. :o)

Hello Nick,

I'm sure Carren can explain her own reasons, but here's *my* excuse
for *my* overlong mailto...

While I do use a dedicated account, I have several *different* sets of
keys for distribution. Because of this, depending on which account I'm
sending mail from, the subject line in my mailto is slightly
different. I use both the from address and subject line as the
essential filtering strings. The message body part of my mailto, while
not technically necessary, is there because before I started including
my own message body, many people sent key requests with full email
messages of their own - not only requesting my keys, but going off
onto other subjects as well.

Since all I want is for my auto-responder to send keys, I want to
avoid having to sift through all the received requests looking for
mail someone might be expecting me to answer with more than just a key
block. With my pre-fabricated message body, they seem to get the idea
that they don't need to (and are not supposed to) add their own
message.

Melissa
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PGP public keys:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys

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Re: Bat! 1.53t Anomalies

2002-01-15 Thread Thomas F

Hi Andrew,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:15:03 +0100GMT (16/01/2002, 01:15 +0800GMT),
Andrew Aronoff wrote:

AA 1. Nicked nicknames

AA AB entry nicknames don't always autocomplete to the saved entry and
AA Ctrl+ doesn't always work. Despite repeated attempts, I have been
AA unable to figure out why.

Options / Preferences  / System / Autocomplete.

AA 3. Editable header fields... not?

AA The message editor's editable header fields are not displayed as
AA editable.

The ones you can edit are displayed as editable in the editor, if you
have activated them in the editor's View command.

AA Editable fields are typically displayed differently from non-editable
AA fields. TB! does not distinguish between the two, which is extremely
AA confusing and very easy to change.

Editable and non-editable fields are displayed differently here
(Windows function; I don't think the developers have any influence
here). Please give an example of where an editable field looks like an
uneditable field.

AA 4. Browser append appendage

AA Filter, Actions tab, check Export message to file, select Append to
AA existing file, press Browse, find the directory, add a new file name.
AA This results in an error if the file doesn't already exist.

This sounds like correct behaviour to me. Am I missing something?

AA Since append creates a file if none exists, the Browse button should
AA permit navigation to the desired directory and accept any filename.

This is not a bug but an additional feature wish.

AA 5. Two mailtos

AA TB! adds the command string:

AA HKCR\mailto\shell\open\command\D:\Internet\The Bat!\thebat.exe %1

Mine looks the same.

AA when TB! is set to be the default mail client. On my system, this
AA results in *two* message windows if TB! is not running and a mailto
AA link is clicked.

It results in one message and no problem, if TB is already running.
Which it is always on my system.

If I turn off TB and then click on a mailto: link, it results in one
message and one error dialog: Your MAPI request handler is not
correctly installed. IE 5.5.

AA 6. Leaving the last attachment

AA If a message contains several attachments and they are deleted by
AA pressing the Del key, the last attachment can't be deleted. The
AA message must first be moved to another folder.

I cannot confirm this, as it works over here.

AA 7. Getting to the bottom of the AB name display

AA When the cursor is held over an AB name, the e-mail addresses display
AA in a drop-down window. If the list of e-mail addresses extends beyond
AA the bottom of the computer screen, the addresses flash repeatedly.

Wow, how many email addresses do you have under one AB entry? You know
that you cannot access these address, right?

AA 8. Underspec of the overlap

AA There is no option to scroll a message with the space key or PgDn with
AA single- or multi-line overlap.

I don't understand this.

AA 9. Just a pretty title

AA Note the number of messages in a folder. Double-click a message in
AA that folder with an attachment for viewing. Delete the attachment in
AA the viewer, then delete the message by clicking on the viewer trash
AA can icon. The message title will remain displayed in the folder's
AA right pane, but the folder shows 1 less message in the left pane's
AA total.

Yeah, the message list doesn't refresh in that case. If you go to
another folder and then back to this one, all will be fine. A
long-standing cosmetic bug (low priority).

AA 10. Auto-saving save save save

AA Start a new message and attach a file, filename.ext, by clicking on
AA the Attach a file icon. Type some text in the message body. Wait 20
AA seconds. Type some more text. The attached files directory will
AA contain two copies of the attachments, filename1.txt and
AA filename2.ext. If the message is edited over a period of 20 minutes,
AA there will be *many* copies of the file.

I remember this problem when I was still working the way you discribe.
I now don't autosave any more (I hit the Save button every now and
then on larger emails, because I lost some due to sudden power
failure, usually caused by earthquales), and attach the attachments
only after I have finished typing the text.

AA The message will not be saved, but all the copies of the
AA attachment will remain in the attachments directory.

...which is rather annoying, agreed.

AA 11. Save message, lose data

AA Only a single dialog box is really necessary: The file filename.ext
AA already exists. Do you want to append or overwrite this file? Append
AA (default)  Overwrite  Cancel.

Another feature request, or an improvement suggestion rather. Someone
(I believe it's Alistair) is going to revamp the GUI, and this is a
suggestion for that project.

AA 12. Favourites list unfavoured BCC

AA If both the Account New message template _and_ the AB entry New
AA message template contain BCC macros and a new message is created using
AA the Favourites drop-down list, the AB BCC macro is ignored.

Yes, confirmed bug.

AA P.S.: I'm on 

Re: guide on bat regex

2002-01-15 Thread Thomas F

Hi Nicholas,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:22:42 -0500GMT (16/01/2002, 04:22 +0800GMT),
Nicholas wrote:

N   is there a guide for using the bats regex thing?

Check out the help file, look for Regular Expressions. For any
questions, come back here.

But I warn you: it's difficult. You'll end up looking for perl
tutorials on the internet (google will find dozens), and you if you
understand it any better than me, you have a chance of getting an
early PhD in maths. ;-)

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