Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Clive Taylor]

18 April 2002, 19:14, you wrote:

> After that, I took steps to ensure that those
> reading my messages could verify their legitimacy.

I've just opened the certificate on your email and all it tells me is
that it's valid. So what? If I'm suspicious about your post then I can
get more information from the headers of your email than from any
'anonymous' certificate, as anyone who has kill-filed the participants
in a newsgroup flame war can testify.

My 2p worth is that these validated sigs and PGP garbage are just not
relevant in a non-critical situation like this list (I'm not
denigrating the value of the information here - just the importance
being attached to the carrier of the message).

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Big review of TB! in UK PC-PRO magaine...

[Mark R Harding]

Hi Everyone,

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but I couldn't find anything
in my archives of the mailing list.

I've just finished flicking through a local copy of PC-PRO magazine (a
UK newstand IT magzine) and was pleasantly surprised to see TB!
reviewed in some depth and with favourable consequence.

The details of the publication are as follows for those interested in
seeking it out...

PC-PRO magazine, June 2002 Issue.
"Real World Computing: Online" Section.
Pages 217-219.

Since Marck Pearlstone is mentioned in the article I'm assuming he and
possibly some others would already know about this but in case anyone
else doesn't, it makes a change to see an in-depth coverage of an
email client other than Outlook.

Best Wishes,

Mark

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Melissa, 

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 at 13:22:52 [GMT -0700], you wrote:
MR> I just had her try this, and her messages are still missing.

I'd have her attach and e-mail you the messages.tbb and messages.tbi,
then you could stick them in a directory in your MAIL folder, and
create the folder in TB. Then see what happens.

That way you could tell what she did maybe. My honest guess. She meant
to empty the TRASH folder, but did it to the INBOX, then she P&C'd.
Just my thoughts on it.


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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 2:10:41 PM, Costas Papadopoulos wrote:

>> I guess the obvious answer is don't use single quotes in the
>> subject line,


>> but your subject line has a single quote in it with
>> following text.

you didn't address this portion of my comment. the subject of this
thread seems to refute the existance of the reported problem.

> That  indeed  is  my  workaround  solution,  but  I was thinking about
> something a little more sophisticated.



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Re: Problem with attachments being corrupted

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 6:12:21 PM, Eddy Geez wrote:

G>> Please try forwarding the attachment to someone, before you do
G>> anything else with it, and see if they can open it.

> Nope, once the file is received into my inbox, it is already corrupt.

I think that the suggestion was to send the apparently corrupted file
so the other person could try to open it. Maybe both versions to
someone would be even more instructive.

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Re: message navigation

[Allie C Martin]

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@ 04:53:13 +0200 [ Thu, 18 Apr 2002], Greg Strong [GS] wrote:
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GS> I've been using Ctrl+Right. It seems to do the same thing.

I've been testing and CTRL-right definitely doesn't navigate through
the threaded list as well as CTRL-] (same as CTRL-Alt-Right).  If you
wish to see all unread messages within a threaded list, starting from
anywhere you are in the list, then use the latter keys. You'll be
taken to every new message and when the shortcut no longer responds,
that means that there are no more unread messages in the folder or
account if you've enabled moving to new messages across folders.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Paddy L]

Hello Melissa,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 1:22:52 PM, you wrote:

MR> She just told me that she *thought* that she was working with the
MR> "Trash" folder when she did the "Purge & Compress" action last night.
MR> Just because that's what she thinks she was doing, it is not
MR> *necessarily* what she was actually doing...

I don't believe it's possible to delete messages from folders using
purge & compress, not even trash. I just tried and nothing was lost.
Whatever your mom did, it wasn't fooling with P&C.

FWIW.

Please be kind with her. I suspect she's about my age and that you're
about my daughter's age so I know how trying this can be... ;-)

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Re: Problem with attachments being corrupted

[Eddy Geez]

*** Peter Palmreuther [20020418 10:11] writes:

PP> What exactly let you assume they are corrupted? 

JPG attachments do not always display in TB, especially if they
are large. They show up blank, or show something like "JPG Err #68".
Saving them to disk results in the top portion (some random amount of
it) being visible, and the rest of the image corrupt.

ZIP files do not open; WinRAR usually reports a "premature end of
file".

PP> Have you tried opening them from within TB!?

Yes. Both JPG's (by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the window)
and ZIP files (by double-clicking it).

PP> Have you tried saving them and opening later? 

Yes. The files I save via my ISP's webmail interface (which open
just fine) are larger than if I save the file from the exact same 
message as received by TB! For example, a recent ZIP was 538,085
bytes when downloaded via the webmail interface (which also utilizes
POP3, just like TB!) and only 537,978 bytes when saved from TB!.

Note that I do not have any problem sending large attachments from
TB!; that has always worked without trouble.

PP> Have you by any chance an anti virus software running in
PP> background that might interfer the process of storing the file
PP> to disk?

Nope, I do not run any antivirus software on my Win2K SP2 box. And
I *just* did a fresh install of Win2K last week (i.e., reformatted
the drive and started over completely; I started getting the BSOD
on startup with INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE and could not find a way
to repair it) so it isn't likely that I have corrupt DLL's or 
other "cruft" in my system that is causing the problem.

I have received a private email from another individual who is 
experiencing the exact same problem, so at least I know it isn't
just me.

** Gerard [20020418 07:32] writes:

G> Please try forwarding the attachment to someone, before you do
G> anything else with it, and see if they can open it.

Nope, once the file is received into my inbox, it is already corrupt.

G> Better yet would be to copy the attachment to a floppy or CD and
G> handcarry it to an other computer to see if it can be opened there.

Nope, once I save the file to disk, there is already data missing
(as shown in the example above).

So I'm still looking for explanations/solutions. :)

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Mandara]

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, at 19:09:39  +0200 Miguel wrote:

>> The problem is that such a large proportion of the messages on TB
>> lists suffer from an overabundance of autogenerated "fluff".

MAU> Fully agree.

>> In the context of the list, a PGP sig only proves someone is capable
>> of installing and using PGP, and little else

MAU> With full respect for those who use it, fully agree again.

:) Guys, if you mind, please bear in mind that people are not such
nuts (with full respect) to complicate their lifes by using crypto
codes around, and all this for nothing. I agree I'd myself very like
to avoid this hashed signatures, or would like more if is possible to
put them somewhere else instead in message body, but this is not
possible, or not yet.

May I suggest you to use this RegExp which will automatically cut all
that crypto and footer stuff off when you hit "reply"? It is enough to
put this code (in one line, without "<>") in your "reply" template:

<%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(\n*-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN
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SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s*.*roups.*~-~>.*-*_->)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3""">

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Re: PGP again (was: square brackets and rfc822)

[Ian Petersen]

Dierk,

> a) a message and a mail address belong together, and
> b) a message has not been tinkered with.

They are both important things in many, if not most, email situations.
But I still maintain they are irrelevent on an informal public discussion list.

> There are good reasons to use PGP ...
> always. some people don't like it for perhaps equally good reasons

I'm not in any way against PGP or other forms of digital security.
They are undoubtedly very important tools in modern digital
communication. However, I reserve the right to find it just a little
comical that people feel the need to digitally sign their messages in
places such as this.

But as Greg so wisely said, I think we will have to agree to differ.


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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Ian Petersen]

Michael,

>  I had one instance of my email being spoofed

I'm not saying such things do not happen or that PGP never is of use.
Just that in the everyday course of list traffic I neither know, nor
care, who you (or anyone else) are or if your mail has been tampered
with. Or even if you wrote it. My only interest is that the resulting
mail that ends in my mailbox is useful to me.

To put it another way: Even if everyone on the list signed and encrypted
their messages it would still be up to me - the recipient - to decide
whether or not the content of the messages are useful or meaningful.
The presence or absence of a signature doesn't make the slightest
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Re: My mom does it again!

[Melissa Reese]

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On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 2:39:27 AM PST, Dierk Haasis wrote:

> I think it is just her index (TBI) that is corrupted. she can (after
> backing up) delete it. when she opens TB! anew and goes to the
> folder, the messages will be re-indexed.

Hello Dierk,

I just had her try this, and her messages are still missing.

I should say this...

She just told me that she *thought* that she was working with the
"Trash" folder when she did the "Purge & Compress" action last night.
Just because that's what she thinks she was doing, it is not
*necessarily* what she was actually doing...

No matter how much I try to help her over the phone, my mom remains
surprisingly computer illiterate (after two years of giving her
tutorials, sending her detailed instructions via email, hours on the
phone, etc.). It's just not something that she is interested enough in
to really concentrate on when I walk her through things. Each time she
has a problem, she calls me to to have me walk her through a solution
- - then she promptly forgets everything until her next fiasco.

So... Since the deletion of the Inbox's "messages.tbi" file and
re-opening of TB! didn't seem to work, can you think of anything else
that may have happened? I'm sorry that I can't give more detailed
descriptions of what she may have done - but she can't even describe
to me very well what she has done.

Thanks for any further ideas anyone can come up with.

Melissa
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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Costas,

@18 April 2002, 21:50:31 +0300 (19:50 UK time) Costas Papadopoulos
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>  %SUBJECT='%ABTOHandle other text by me'



> There's  a  slight  problem  that  I wonder if it can be solved. If my
> subject text contains a single quote (') then the subject line becomes
> truncated at the first instance of the single quote. Is there a way to
> bypass  this?  I  tried prepending a \ before the single quote, but it
> didn't work.

The bona-fide way to "quote" a quote is to double it up. So, you could
double it up in the recipient's name. That strikes me as being a silly
solution though.

You're using the latest TB, so you have a slightly whacky yet more
elegant solution available. Macros have more quoting possibilities
than " and '. In fact, the first character that follows the name of
the macro becomes the delimiter. So suddenly, you have a whole wealth
of them! Like: %SUBJECT=#%ABTOHandle other text by me#, or some other
character that you are certain isn't going to appear in the name.

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Ian Petersen]

Greg,

> agree to disagree

Right! 

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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Costas,

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 8:50:31 PM you wrote in
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CP> There's  a  slight  problem  that  I wonder if it can be solved. If my
CP> subject text contains a single quote (') then the subject line becomes
CP> truncated at the first instance of the single quote. Is there a way to
CP> bypass  this?  I  tried prepending a \ before the single quote, but it
CP> didn't work.

Either Use your statement with double-quotes

 %SUBJECT="%ABTOHandle other text by me"

or escape the single quotes by doubling them in the string you want to
insert. Example:

 %SUBJECT='%ABTOHandle other text by me ''Pit'' Palme'

Will create (assumed ~Handle is 'John'):

John other text by me 'Pit' Palme

as subject.

In general you can use nearly every non-word character instead of ' or "
to embrace the content of macros, like:

 %SUBJECT=_%ABTOHandle other text by me_
 %SUBJECT=#%ABTOHandle other text by me#
 %SUBJECT=?%ABTOHandle other text by me?

You only have to make sure it does not appear in content or is escaped
there by being twice.

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Re[2]: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Michael T. Ashby]

I understand that there is a server involved with POP3 e-mail, but
that server is located off site in a server farm. I just don't see a
reason to add ANOTHER server just to collect it.

They aren't using the PIM features of Outlook and TB is one of the
most robust e-mail client's I've found, so it seems like the perfect
solution for this client.

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PP> Hello Michael,

PP> On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 8:25:07 PM you wrote in
PP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

MTA>> I'm actually shying away from having a mail server on the server.
MTA>> Everything that they do is POP3 based

PP> I'm sorry to tell you: even this is a server :-)

PP> MS-Exchange offering to fetch the mail not only via LookOut but via POP3
PP> too is nothing else but: a mail server :-) Not an 'MTA' as 'Mail Transfer
PP> Agent', this would the SMTP-capabilities of Exchange offer, but it _is_ a
PP> server :-)

PP> So if your customer can abandon the PIM functionality every cheaper mail
PP> server for Windows will do it.
PP> 1.) it will be cheaper; let the money flow to Moldavia for a mile stone of
PP> mail client *g*
PP> 2.) Let the system not always run on the corner to it's ruin by starting
PP> Exchange if this can be avoided :-)

MTA>> Unless someone thinks this is foolish. :)

PP> As I've already said: this might work, but I've heard it _sometimes_ ain't
PP> the most stable solution running TB! in Non-TCP-server-mode. Mail loss was
PP> sight ...



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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, April 18, 2002, 9:10:41 PM, you wrote:



CP> That  indeed  is  my  workaround  solution,  but  I was thinking about
CP> something a little more sophisticated.


How about "double", double the power for the same price?

Sorry, couldn't help myself, see quote :-)

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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Michael,

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 8:25:07 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

MTA> I'm actually shying away from having a mail server on the server.
MTA> Everything that they do is POP3 based

I'm sorry to tell you: even this is a server :-)

MS-Exchange offering to fetch the mail not only via LookOut but via POP3
too is nothing else but: a mail server :-) Not an 'MTA' as 'Mail Transfer
Agent', this would the SMTP-capabilities of Exchange offer, but it _is_ a
server :-)

So if your customer can abandon the PIM functionality every cheaper mail
server for Windows will do it.
1.) it will be cheaper; let the money flow to Moldavia for a mile stone of
mail client *g*
2.) Let the system not always run on the corner to it's ruin by starting
Exchange if this can be avoided :-)

MTA> Unless someone thinks this is foolish. :)

As I've already said: this might work, but I've heard it _sometimes_ ain't
the most stable solution running TB! in Non-TCP-server-mode. Mail loss was
sight ...
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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Dwight,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 9:58:31 PM, you wrote:
> On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 1:50:31 PM, Costas Papadopoulos wrote:

>>  If my subject text contains a single quote (') then the subject
>> line becomes truncated at the first instance of the single quote. Is
>> there a way to bypass  this?

> I guess the obvious answer is don't use single quotes in the subject
> line, but your subject line has a single quote in it with following
> text.

That  indeed  is  my  workaround  solution,  but  I was thinking about
something a little more sophisticated.

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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 1:50:31 PM, Costas Papadopoulos wrote:

>  If my subject text contains a single quote (') then the subject
> line becomes truncated at the first instance of the single quote. Is
> there a way to bypass  this?

I guess the obvious answer is don't use single quotes in the subject
line, but your subject line has a single quote in it with following
text.

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Re: I need a 'snapshot'

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 2:45 PM, you wrote:

G> I would like to be able to get a 'snapshot' of the message tree that
G> shows the structure looks like when someone uses the 'Reply To' in an
G> inappropriate manner.  I would probably want to store it as a .jpg
G> file on my web site and then provide the link to the list so that they
G> could view the graphic.  Does anyone know how I can get a 'picture' of
G> the message tree?

G> Perhaps I can gain some converts to TB! by showing how useful this
G> 'View Threads by Reference' can really be.

I just installed ACDSee 4.0 and it has a nice snapshot utility, to do
complete desktops, web page frames... all kinds fo ways!

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Re: I need a 'snapshot'

[Roel]

Hi GJim

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:45:39 -0600GMT
   (which was 18/04/2002, 20:45 +0200GMT for me),
you wrote:

G> Does anyone know how I can get a 'picture' of the message tree?

How about using the print-screen button?
Tehn you paste the image in your favorite image-editor & cut out the
rest of the image...

hth

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Re: I need a 'snapshot'

[Michael T. Ashby]

If you are on a Windows machine, you can hit the "Print Screen" button
and a snapshot is made of your desktop. If you only need a window,
then hold down the "Alt" key.

What this does is create a .bmp and store it on your clipboard. You
can then paste it into any graphics or word processing program and use
it as needed.

Hope that helps!

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Thursday, April 18, 2002, 1:45:39 PM, you wrote:

G> Howdy Ladies and Gents,

G> I have been using the 'View Threads by Reference' option for all the various
G> newslists to which I belong.  This works great until someone uses the
G> 'Reply To' function to start a new message subject (something that is
G> never condoned on this list).  One particular list, with traffic about
G> the same as this list, presents quite a few instances of this
G> undesirable behavior.

G> I have written a few messages to the list, requesting that people not
G> use the 'Reply To' when they start new message subjects.  To many,
G> my request does not make sense, as their software views 'By Subject'.

G> I would like to be able to get a 'snapshot' of the message tree that
G> shows the structure looks like when someone uses the 'Reply To' in an
G> inappropriate manner.  I would probably want to store it as a .jpg
G> file on my web site and then provide the link to the list so that they
G> could view the graphic.  Does anyone know how I can get a 'picture' of
G> the message tree?

G> Perhaps I can gain some converts to TB! by showing how useful this
G> 'View Threads by Reference' can really be.

G> AtDhVaAnNkCsE

G> With a tip of the hat,
G> GJim c):{-



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Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

[Costas Papadopoulos]

I am using the expression

 %SUBJECT='%ABTOHandle other text by me'

 in  a  Quick Template, as recently suggested by Dierk Haasis in order
 to  have  the recipient's name appear in the subject line for a small
 group of people to whom I send email.

There's  a  slight  problem  that  I wonder if it can be solved. If my
subject text contains a single quote (') then the subject line becomes
truncated at the first instance of the single quote. Is there a way to
bypass  this?  I  tried prepending a \ before the single quote, but it
didn't work.

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I need a 'snapshot'

[GJim]

Howdy Ladies and Gents,

I have been using the 'View Threads by Reference' option for all the various
newslists to which I belong.  This works great until someone uses the
'Reply To' function to start a new message subject (something that is
never condoned on this list).  One particular list, with traffic about
the same as this list, presents quite a few instances of this
undesirable behavior.

I have written a few messages to the list, requesting that people not
use the 'Reply To' when they start new message subjects.  To many,
my request does not make sense, as their software views 'By Subject'.

I would like to be able to get a 'snapshot' of the message tree that
shows the structure looks like when someone uses the 'Reply To' in an
inappropriate manner.  I would probably want to store it as a .jpg
file on my web site and then provide the link to the list so that they
could view the graphic.  Does anyone know how I can get a 'picture' of
the message tree?

Perhaps I can gain some converts to TB! by showing how useful this
'View Threads by Reference' can really be.

AtDhVaAnNkCsE

With a tip of the hat,
GJim c):{-
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PGP again (was: square brackets and rfc822)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Ian!

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 6:48:43 PM you wrote:

> PGP (or similar) sigs are unneccessary on public mailing lists because
> everyone is equally unknown to everyone else.

Wrong. PGP doesn't claim to verify the people but only that

   a) a message and a mail address belong together, and
   b) a message has not been tinkered with.

To cut a stupid story short: There are good reasons to use PGP ...
always. some people don't like it for perhaps equally good reasons
(admittedly this is my politically correct part of this message).

Nothing more to it.

Pragmatics: I side with Marck, Allie, Leif, Wolfgang, they at least
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Re[2]: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Michael T. Ashby]

Thanks to everyone for your feedback. It's been very helpful.

I'm actually shying away from having a mail server on the server.
Everything that they do is POP3 based and they don't have the typical
corporate mentality regarding e-mail. I'm thinking that simpler is
better, having been the Exchange route with them already.

Prior to saying we could do this, I had spoken with the person that
had first turned me on to TB and his firm is setup in the same manner.
With the mailboxes stored on the server, then more than one person can
access the mailbox at a time and everything is backed up nightly - to
me it sounds like an ideal setup for this client.

Unless someone thinks this is foolish. :)


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Thursday, April 18, 2002, 12:39:45 PM, you wrote:

PP> Hello Miguel,

PP> On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 3:34:34 PM you wrote in
PP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

>>> I'm familiar with Pegasus, but I really like TB and would like to use
>>> it as part of the solutions. Thank you for the suggestion though.

MAU>> You don't need Pegasus. You can have a very nice setup with Mercury/32
MAU>> as a server (it's free, BTW) and The Bat! as e-mail clients. This is
MAU>> what I use.

PP> And this is what I'd suggest too ... not Mercury in any case, I don't know
PP> this software so I can't recommend it, but a 'real' Mail-Server plus TB!.
PP> Server capabilities of TB! are limited in some matters so I wouldn't rely
PP> on them, but there're cheaper and better SMTP/POP3-servers out there than
PP> MS-Exchange :-)

PP> Mercury (as we've read), MDaemon, ArGoSoft ... and for sure several other
PP> Windows Mail-Servers.

PP> I've just entered

PP> Windows Mail-Server

PP> into Google and had more than enough hit.
PP> Tucows is another idea ... maybe you want start here

PP> http://thenewsmonsters.tucows.com/mailserver95.html

PP> having a look if there's something that fits your needs.
PP> TB! should be work with every SMTP & POP3 enabled server software, so this
PP> will not matter.

PP> P.S.: I assume a fast and stable Linux box is out of discussion for server?
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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Michael Disabato]

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 11:48:43 AM, Ian scribbled:

IP> PGP (or similar) sigs are unneccessary on public mailing lists because
IP> everyone is equally unknown to everyone else. Whether we are who we say
IP> we are is simply irrelevant. Even for moderators! The only thing that

Ian,

I have to disagree here. I had one instance of my email being spoofed
by a disgruntled list member. As I was the list moderator, it caused
all sorts of grief. After that, I took steps to ensure that those
reading my messages could verify their legitimacy.

As our environment gets more "interesting", such protections will
become de rigeur. That is why programs like TB! are essential. They
build in what should have been there all along: strong encryption and
signatures.

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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Peter,
On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 19:39:45 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

PP> but there're cheaper and better SMTP/POP3-servers out there than
PP> MS-Exchange :-)

PP> Mercury (as we've read), MDaemon, ArGoSoft ... and for sure several
PP> other Windows Mail-Servers.

There's another one, XMail from www.xmailserver.com. It offers a
complete MTA and POP3/SMTP/IMAP server in one package. I don't use it
myself, I only looked into the documentation some weeks ago and it
looked really nice. There are a lot of people who recommend this one.

And it's free (GPL), running on Linux, WindowsNT, Solaris and FreeBSD.

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Re[2]: square brackets and rfc822

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Ian,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 11:48:43 AM, you wrote:

IP> In the context of the list, a PGP sig only
IP> proves someone is capable of installing and using PGP, and little
else.

Agreed.

A PC is nothing more than a tool. I look at signatures in a broader
sense as the use of this tool. When I use a signature I believe it
sets a good example of the use of this tool (i.e. PC). Tools are not
an end in themselves, but a means to an end.

- From watching this thread I will say those who use signatures can
agree to disagree with those who do not. 

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.28
Comment: Greg Strong (Public Email KeyID): 0x78834C32

iD8DBQE8vwh1ZKuZyXiDTDIRApEHAJ9gJKOqHjUmoQ1j77biZ12H/nO79ACglKEw
wy5H8ns/4pISpxlUbKiotWA=
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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Miguel,

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 3:34:34 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

>> I'm familiar with Pegasus, but I really like TB and would like to use
>> it as part of the solutions. Thank you for the suggestion though.

MAU> You don't need Pegasus. You can have a very nice setup with Mercury/32
MAU> as a server (it's free, BTW) and The Bat! as e-mail clients. This is
MAU> what I use.

And this is what I'd suggest too ... not Mercury in any case, I don't know
this software so I can't recommend it, but a 'real' Mail-Server plus TB!.
Server capabilities of TB! are limited in some matters so I wouldn't rely
on them, but there're cheaper and better SMTP/POP3-servers out there than
MS-Exchange :-)

Mercury (as we've read), MDaemon, ArGoSoft ... and for sure several other
Windows Mail-Servers.

I've just entered

Windows Mail-Server

into Google and had more than enough hit.
Tucows is another idea ... maybe you want start here

http://thenewsmonsters.tucows.com/mailserver95.html

having a look if there's something that fits your needs.
TB! should be work with every SMTP & POP3 enabled server software, so this
will not matter.

P.S.: I assume a fast and stable Linux box is out of discussion for server?
*GGG*
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Re: Problem with attachments being corrupted

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Eddy,

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 1:08:02 AM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

[Corrupted attachment trouble]

Strange ... never had it TB! is corrupting my attachments.
All sizes, all formats went through just fine.
What exactly let you assume they are corrupted? Have you tried opening them
from within TB!? Have you tried saving them and opening later? Have you by
any chance an anti virus software running in background that might interfer
the process of storing the file to disk?

EG> P.S. Is there any way to prevent TB from adding the stupid X-Rcpt-To:
EG>  header? It seems that even if you send a message to a bunch of
EG>  people, TB always adds an "X-Rcpt-To:" header with the email 
EG>  address of the last person on the list or CC: line. Very annoying.

Never seen any header like this as long as I'm using TB!.
Could you send me off list a test message?
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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ian,

> The problem is that such a large proportion of the messages on TB
> lists suffer from an overabundance of autogenerated "fluff".

Fully agree.

> In the context of the list, a PGP sig only proves someone is capable
> of installing and using PGP, and little else

With full respect for those who use it, fully agree again.

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Ian Petersen]

David,

> When I start reading a mailinglist message I start with the quoted
> material or when I know the contents of the quotes I even start with
> the text below the quotes.

Well, obviously that is what I try to do too. The problem is that it
is not always clear where the actual message content starts. And when
I use my 800x600 laptop the intros, dates and stuff can fill so much
that the message itself is off the screen. In such cases I simply skip
to the next message ...

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Ian Petersen]

Allie,

>  It's just that no is saying you shouldn't either.

Obviously not!  The problem is that such a large proportion of the
messages on TB lists suffer from an overabundance of autogenerated
"fluff".

> Marck gave what I consider a valid
> reason for signing

PGP (or similar) sigs are unneccessary on public mailing lists because
everyone is equally unknown to everyone else. Whether we are who we say
we are is simply irrelevant. Even for moderators! The only thing that
really matters is the content of our messages. If the persons who use the
names "Allie Martin" or "Marck Pearlstone" appear to write useful
messages and moderate with moderation, then it's all the same to me who
or what is "behind" those names. You may be raving lunatics or aliens
from another dimension for all I care as long as your activity on this
list is relevant and useful. In the context of the list, a PGP sig only
proves someone is capable of installing and using PGP, and little else.

> How's my intro line for
> instance? Do you like it? :-)

Apart from the PGP bit it's beautifully restrained. 

> I can't shorten my signature any more though and it's well within the
> 6 line netiquette limit.

I always thought it was four lines, but never mind. Obviously, things
like sigs and cookies that come after the main message content are
less disrupting than stuff that comes before it.

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Re: address books

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 11:54 AM, you wrote:


L> 17:16:13 where I live) Lars Geiger wrote and spread these wise
L> comments on "address books":
  
L> 
LG>> This is checked by default and simply
LG>> means that all members of this group are not visible in the main address
LG>> book (they are hidden until you explicitly select the group)

L>  Except when using the address picker.
 
I have a question about how to get names to show up on the TO: line.
Sometimes I can type a name and it fills inthe rest. sometimes it
doesn't autocomplete, and I can't figure out WHY . When you do get a
name added, and you want to add more, is the correct way to go on to
add a comma, space, then start a new name?
thanks,


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Re: address books

[Luc]

 Good evening Lars,
  
It was foretold that on 18-4-2002 @ 17:16:13 GMT+0200 (which was
17:16:13 where I live) Lars Geiger wrote and spread these wise
comments on "address books":
  

LG> This is checked by default and simply
LG> means that all members of this group are not visible in the main address
LG> book (they are hidden until you explicitly select the group)

 Except when using the address picker.
 
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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Clive Taylor]

18 April 2002, 14:39, you wrote:

> Point taken Clive.

> I turned to the list because I figured there were others that had gone
> through something similar and could offer some insight. This list has
> proved very helpful in the past and is a fantastic resource.

> Sorry if the post was inappropriate.

It's no problem, Michael. I've used the same technique in the past -
say yes to the client and THEN panic!

Sorry that I don't know the answer to your query though.

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Re: address books

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Dan,
On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 22:55:26 [GMT -0700], you wrote:

DK> I'm trying to build an address book "group" entry, with about half
DK> of the people in my address book. I can't find a way to *copy*
DK> entries into this group from my personal address book. How can I do
DK> this, without removing the entries from the main address book?

Just drag & drop an address onto a group to make that person a member of
this group. This will look as if they are removed from the main address
book at first, but they are not. In fact, all people belonging to a
certain group always belong to the corresponding address book as well.

The problem is a default setting of all newly created groups, "Hide
items if not explicitly selected". This is checked by default and simply
means that all members of this group are not visible in the main address
book (they are hidden until you explicitly select the group). Slightly
misleading, isn't it?

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Re[2]: square brackets and rfc822

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 7:40:58 AM, you wrote:

PC> Here you find all the shortcuts you need:
PC> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html

I think all shortcuts should be documented in help, but this is better
than nothing? Thanks for the link!

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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Michael,
On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 08:39:29 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

MTA> This list has proved very helpful in the past and is a fantastic
MTA> resource.

MTA> Sorry if the post was inappropriate.

I don't think that this is the wrong place to ask.

I think, I would prefer IMAP for the task (especially for mail stored on
the server). Just get a small linux box, set up exim (or any other
decent MTA) and possibly fetchmail and an imapd and you are good to go.

The only problem with this setup is TB's IMAP implementation. :-( So, in
that case I'd probably prefer another MUA. Sad but true.

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Re: Problem with attachments being corrupted

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, April 18, 2002, 2:58:27 PM, you wrote:

EG> However, I still think TB may be responsible for the corruption 
EG> of larger attachments. If anybody has any ideas on this, please
EG> let me know.

EG> Thanks!

Hi Eddy,
   It is not very likely that TB! is cause of this.
   
   Please try forwarding the attachment to someone, before you do
   anything else with it, and see if they can open it.
   Better yet would be to copy the attachment to a floppy or CD and
   handcarry it to an other computer to see if it can be opened there.

   Your sure it is not your application that is opening the attachment
   that is the cause of the problem?

   Let us know how things went.
   
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Re[2]: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Michael T. Ashby]

Point taken Clive.

I turned to the list because I figured there were others that had gone
through something similar and could offer some insight. This list has
proved very helpful in the past and is a fantastic resource.

Sorry if the post was inappropriate.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002, 7:32:58 AM, you wrote:

CT> 18 April 2002, 13:09, you wrote:

>> Here's my question: What would be the best configuration for the
>> install? I would like all the mailboxes to be stored on the server for
>> backup purposes and I'd like some employees to be able to share a
>> mailbox (tech support, that sort of thing). They are using
>> TrendMicro's OfficeScan for virus protection (although I don't think
>> there's a plugin yet for that)

>> Anyway, what would be your recommendation on how best to configure
>> this install?


CT> And how much of your fee are you prepared to share for this
CT> information, Michael? ;-)



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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Michael,

> I'm familiar with Pegasus, but I really like TB and would like to use
> it as part of the solutions. Thank you for the suggestion though.

You don't need Pegasus. You can have a very nice setup with Mercury/32
as a server (it's free, BTW) and The Bat! as e-mail clients. This is
what I use.

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Re[2]: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Michael T. Ashby]

I'm familiar with Pegasus, but I really like TB and would like to use
it as part of the solutions. Thank you for the suggestion though.


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Thursday, April 18, 2002, 7:21:10 AM, you wrote:

S> On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 3:09:19 PM, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote to Shahar about:
S> M$ Exchange Replacement

>> Here's my question: What would be the best configuration for the
>> install? I would like all the mailboxes to be stored on the server for
>> backup purposes and I'd like some employees to be able to share a
>> mailbox (tech support, that sort of thing).


S> Michael,
S> That's remind me something.
S> About 4-5 years ago, one of our customers came and ask for a low cost email
S> system.

S> We gave him this solution:
S> Pegasus mail and Mercury.

S> I don't remember the exact configuration but what I do remember is
S> that this customer had about 400 computers in one LAN.

S> If you need more info about this solution I can make some phone calls
S> and try to have it.

S> Thank you for writing.


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Re: message navigation

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 8:55 AM, you wrote:

MAU> Hello Paul,

>> VI has 256 different keystroke commands.

MAU> ONLY ??? ;-)
well, that was the ORIGINAL VI, I know there is a "new and improved
VI" called VIM, meaning multiple windows with cut & paste, and there
is a WINDOWS version of VIM, for those hardcore that use both UNIX &
windows ;) I have been away from the UNIX boxes now for 9 months, and
slowly forgetting it ALL YEAH !!!
learning TB is like learning UNIX all over again !



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Re: Problem with attachments being corrupted

[Eddy Geez]

* Alexis Haeringer [20020417 16:05]:
> EG> P.S. Is there any way to prevent TB from adding the X-Rcpt-To:
> EG>  header? It seems that even if you send a message to a bunch
> EG>  of people, TB always adds an "X-Rcpt-To:" header with the
> EG>  email address of the last person on the list or CC: line.
>
> Strange, because for me X-POP3-Rcpt: display the true name of
> received account (contrary to virtual acount, like alias). And this
> header is not write when you send a email but only when you received
> a email with specially configured pop3 server (I suppose)

Ok, after further research it appers that it is the outgoing
SMTP server on my ISP's side adding the X-Rcpt-To: header! (My mail
is delivered directly to my mail spool at work and it still has those
headers, so it isn't a POP3 or IMAP client thing.) My apologies for
implicating TB as the culprit.

However, I still think TB may be responsible for the corruption 
of larger attachments. If anybody has any ideas on this, please
let me know.

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Re: message navigation

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Paul,

> VI has 256 different keystroke commands.

ONLY ??? ;-)

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Re: message navigation

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, 3:30 AM, you wrote:

L> Here you find all the shortcuts you need:
L> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html

L> As for the help topics: lacking is an understatement in TB!
 

Thanks Luc !!
the CTRL-Right works, even in preview mode, I like that!
also just the right arrow scrolls you down the current thread to the
next message, opening ONLY that next message in the thread, which is
probably the EASIEST way ( one finger ;) to go down the messages. This
is getting to be like VI ( Visual editor in UNIX). VI has 256
different keystroke commands. I used VI for 15 years, yet only learned
a small handful of the commands, enough to do what I needed, and I
knew where the book was for the rest. with that shortcut list I can
always go back and try more if I need them!

thanks a lot!!

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Paul Cartwright]

On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 11:23 PM, you wrote:

GS> When in the message list select the collapsed message, then
GS> Cntl+Plus.  I like you am learning TB! and yet to find all help
GS> screens with various short cuts.  If someone knows of one or more
GS> please list the help topics so I can bookmark.  TIA!

S> I've been using Ctrl+Right. It seems to do the same thing. I can't
GS> remember where I learned this. It could have been this mail list. What
GS> help topics exist on this very topic? The one I found was "Reading
GS> Your Mail" and it does seem lacking in this area.

Here you find all the shortcuts you need:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html


I tried going to a thread, just hit the RIGHT ARROW key to go to the
next message in the thread, or CTRL-SHIFT-+ ( the PLUS sign) to open
the entire thread

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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Clive Taylor]

18 April 2002, 13:09, you wrote:

> Here's my question: What would be the best configuration for the
> install? I would like all the mailboxes to be stored on the server for
> backup purposes and I'd like some employees to be able to share a
> mailbox (tech support, that sort of thing). They are using
> TrendMicro's OfficeScan for virus protection (although I don't think
> there's a plugin yet for that)

> Anyway, what would be your recommendation on how best to configure
> this install?


And how much of your fee are you prepared to share for this
information, Michael? ;-)

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M$ Exchange Replacement

[Michael T. Ashby]

I was at a client's site yesterday and we were discussing the costs
and merits of upgrading their servers. After already receiving the
green light to proceed an idea hit me. 90% of the upgrade was due to
Exchange (long story), so why not just use The Bat! instead? I told
the client to wait a day or so until I thought about it some more.

Here's the layout: The client has about 15 workstations/users all
using exchange. None of them use the PIM features. They simply use it
for e-mail. So, TB seems perfect.

Here's my question: What would be the best configuration for the
install? I would like all the mailboxes to be stored on the server for
backup purposes and I'd like some employees to be able to share a
mailbox (tech support, that sort of thing). They are using
TrendMicro's OfficeScan for virus protection (although I don't think
there's a plugin yet for that)

Anyway, what would be your recommendation on how best to configure
this install?


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Re: M$ Exchange Replacement

[Shahar]

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 3:09:19 PM, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
to Shahar about:
M$ Exchange Replacement

> Here's my question: What would be the best configuration for the
> install? I would like all the mailboxes to be stored on the server for
> backup purposes and I'd like some employees to be able to share a
> mailbox (tech support, that sort of thing).


Michael,
That's remind me something.
About 4-5 years ago, one of our customers came and ask for a low cost email
system.

We gave him this solution:
Pegasus mail and Mercury.

I don't remember the exact configuration but what I do remember is
that this customer had about 400 computers in one LAN.

If you need more info about this solution I can make some phone calls
and try to have it.

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Allie,

> A difficult but possible balance it is, once each member appreciates
> that they're in an wonderfully international list with many members
> who don't speak English as a first language (Dierk isn't one of
> those members ) and who have different cultural styles, values,
> personal attitudes etc. It will definitely require concessions on
> some of the members parts.

I am glad to hear you are aware and conscious of that :-))

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Re: Moderatorial skills (was: square brackets and rfc822)

[Allie C Martin]

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@ 13:38:57 +0200 [ Thu, 18 Apr 2002], Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote:
...
>> A difficult but possible balance it is, once each member appreciates
>> that they're in an wonderfully international list with many members
>> who don't speak English as a first language (Dierk isn't one of
>> those members )

DH> Many thanks for that!

You're welcome. Your English has always been excellent.

Mine is so banal, that I tend to make mistakes. :-)

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Moderatorial skills (was: square brackets and rfc822)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Allie!

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 12:38:14 PM you wrote:

> It may be just you. 

Thank goodness!

> Everyone has always been welcome to question what we do and why we do
> it. However, it's one thing to question what we do and another to just
> 'lash out' at it, not questioning it really. There's a difference IMO.

It was the first sentence about the "seriousness" that spurred my
comment.

> A difficult but possible balance it is, once each member appreciates
> that they're in an wonderfully international list with many members
> who don't speak English as a first language (Dierk isn't one of
> those members )

Many thanks for that!


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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Allie C Martin]

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@ 10:12:48 +0200 [ Thu, 18 Apr 2002], Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote:
...
>> you're perfectly entitled to your opinion.

DH> But since when are we?

DH> Don't ask me where I'd picked that up, I just remember it was in a
DH> very good war movie ...

DH> BTW, since when is it in order to question moderatorial functions
DH> in the way it happened - or is it just me?

It may be just you. 

Everyone has always been welcome to question what we do and why we do
it. However, it's one thing to question what we do and another to just
'lash out' at it, not questioning it really. There's a difference IMO.

If I ask a member to not do or do something or stop doing something, I
will always try to give a reason for my request, in anticipation of
the reasonable question of 'why are you asking me to do this?' If I
don't, it's very likely because I've given the reason so many times
before or it's very self-evident. The list charter also gives an
exhaustive review of the list rules and the reasons for them.

I will even more than willingly entertain problems with moderation and
the rules off-list.

All of the rules spur from the effort to promote list conduct that
will be in the best interest of the smooth running of the list in
general (yet without stifling the members). A difficult but possible
balance it is, once each member appreciates that they're in an
wonderfully international list with many members who don't speak
English as a first language (Dierk isn't one of those members ) and
who have different cultural styles, values, personal attitudes etc. It
will definitely require concessions on some of the members parts.

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Re: address books

[Allie C Martin]

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DK> I'm trying to build an address book "group" entry, with about half of
DK> the people in my address book.  I can't find a way to *copy* entries
DK> into this group from my personal address book.  How can I do this,
DK> without removing the entries from the main address book?

If I wish to 'copy' an entry to another group, I usually go into the
entries properties, hit the button beside the 'groups' field and
enable the groups I wish the entry to be a member of.

I suspect though that a simple file manager type copy/paste operation
will work (I just tried it and it works). Select the entries as you
would in your file manager, i.e., holding down the CTRL key while you
select etc., right click one of the selected entries and hit copy, or
simply hit ctrl-c. Then right click the group you wish them to be a
member of and select 'paste'.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dierk,

> I think it is just her index (TBI) that is corrupted.

It could be, and let's hope that's the reason. That's one of the
things I would be looking for but first I wanted her to backup the TTB
file and, while there, check and see if the messages were still
actually inside.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Miguel!

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 10:44:55 AM you wrote:

> First of all, exit TB and with Explorer go to her Inbox directory
> (...\The Bat\Mail\Inbox). There should be two files there:
> MESSAGES.TTB and MESSAGES.TBI.

I think it is just her index (TBI) that is corrupted. she can (after
backing up) delete it. when she opens TB! anew and goes to the folder,
the messages will be re-indexed.



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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[David van Zuijlekom]

Hello Greg,

On Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 22:13:14 -0500, you wrote concerning
'square brackets and rfc822':
...
> By people using privacy software to sign their e-mail sets a good
> example.

I never have problems with PGP-signed mails too. I even used to sign
my mailinglist mail, but due to complaints of a some members of this
list I followed Dierk Haasis by stopping to sign my ML-mail.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Melissa,

> Any ideas as to how she can recover her lost Inbox mail?

The whole thing doesn't look too promising, but let's try something.

First of all, exit TB and with Explorer go to her Inbox directory
(...\The Bat\Mail\Inbox). There should be two files there:
MESSAGES.TTB and MESSAGES.TBI. Copy the messages.ttb to some other
directory and now open this file or the original one with a text
editor (Notepad will do if you don't have another one) and take a look
at the contents. You will see stems of strange characters but, if her
e-mail is still there you will be able to see it. Please confirm this
first and, if it still there, we will somehow be able to get it back.
But if not...

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Re: square brackets and rfc822

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Allie!

On Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 7:53:23 PM you wrote:

> you're perfectly entitled to your opinion.

But since when are we?

Don't ask me where I'd picked that up, I just remember it was in a
very good war movie ...

BTW, since when is it in order to question moderatorial functions in
the way it happened - or is it just me?


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Re: Template problem

[Luc]

 Good morning Luc,
  
It was foretold that on 16-4-2002 @ 17:13:08 GMT+0200 (which was
17:13:08 where I live) Luc wrote and spread these wise comments on
"Template problem":
  

L> Weird thing is that i have several contacts set up this way and they
L>  all work fine.  It's only this particular contact that keeps refusing
L>  to do it.

 Problem solved. I forgot to click in the ditor so the template didn't
 came up DUH.
 
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Re: message navigation

[Luc]

 Good morning Greg,
  
It was foretold that on 18-4-2002 @ 21:53:48 GMT-0500 (which was
4:53:48 where I live) Greg Strong wrote and spread these wise comments
on "message navigation":
  
GS> I've been using Ctrl+Right. It seems to do the same thing. I can't
GS> remember where I learned this. It could have been this mail list. What
GS> help topics exist on this very topic? The one I found was "Reading
GS> Your Mail" and it does seem lacking in this area.

Here you find all the shortcuts you need:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html

As for the help topics: lacking is an understatement in TB!
 
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