Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Sean, On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:31:08 -0600 GMT (21/11/02, 09:31 +0700 GMT), Sean wrote: TF>> No, you get privacy for the normal price (irrespective of the fact TF>> that we have determined that this matter has nothing to do with TF>> privacy). There is no extra fee for it. > The 'educational' line in the x-mailer header gives out information > about me that some people would otherwise not know. A special discount is given for those who are in the educational field *and* are not ashamed of it. If one of the two doesn't apply, why do you want to take advantage of a special discount that is only given when both conditions are met, i.e. does not apply to you? > As far as getting adequate privacy only for the "normal" price, would > you still feel comfortable about it if TB! offered a discounted price > for their software in exchange for letting them track your > web-browsing habits, such that the people with the least wealth would > be the most likely to succumb to such an invasion of privacy? That > example is clearly orders of magnitude more extreme than the > "educational" header issue, but the principle is the same. It is not > nice to extort people into giving up personal information. This has nothing to do with extortion. Your example is unrealistic with regards to TB, but there is software which you can download and you actually get money for running it: You allow the software to trace your browsing habits and send that to the company, then you get targeted ads, and in return they give you a (small) percentage of the money they get from the advertisers. This has nothing to do with extortion, it is your *choice* to do participate or not. Otherwise every kind of giving discounts or money (commissions, salaries, wages) is a kind of extortion, as something is always expected in return from the beneficiary. You expect to pay less, what are you giving in return? Why do you think you have some kind of *right* to just get a discount price? Rit's alternative would have to be to discontinue student discounts, so you don't need to feel singled out. It is your choice to shut this door for people who do not mind singling themselves out by applying for this student discount. How much is your percieved privacy issue worth to you? Not even the 5 or 10 dollars you would have to pay more for a "personal" version. Maybe it's a lot of money for you. So you can still use TB, namely the "educational" version. If Rit didn't offer this particular discount in their unbounded generosity, you would have to pay the full price. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 1:09:39 AM you wrote: >> Privacy has to be paid for? Privacy is only for the rich? > No, you get privacy for the normal price (irrespective of the fact > that we have determined that this matter has nothing to do with > privacy). There is no extra fee for it. You could be in the German government - apply for Hans Eichel's job. Another point to be made: An e-mail message is mine, not RITLabs' or MS' or any other company's, therefore I am in charge of if and how a advertise my software. It's actually bad enough that the mail client is included within the headers at all. OE/OL users know what I mean, always been sneered at. In Usenet this is even worse, people always telling others about their "bad apps". Is there any reason, beyond pillory, to announce a discount version of TB (or any other software) like this? Even marketing isn't a very goof argument, since the same effect could be achieved by just telling people "X-Mailer: The Bat! (http://www.RITLabs.com)". -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wer von anderen nichts erwartet, darf sich nicht wundern, wenn er nichts erhält. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Sean! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 3:31:08 AM you wrote: > The 'educational' line in the x-mailer header gives out information > about me that some people would otherwise not know. It's not a huge > deal It *is* a big issue, as marketing people now know enough about you to make you part of a qualified target group. It is something advertising agencies are trying to sell as a benefit to the customer for years now: You will only get those adverts (e-mail, banners, letters) you are interested in. That, BTW, is the main point behind harvesting addresses from newsgroups or mailing-lists. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 8:24:39 AM you wrote: > A special discount is given for those who are in the educational field > *and* are not ashamed of it. If one of the two doesn't apply, why do > you want to take advantage of a special discount that is only given > when both conditions are met, i.e. does not apply to you? When did "shame" enter the equation? And since when has privacy anything to do with it? And who are you to tell me when I have to be ashamed? I am in advertising but have never been proud of it; the only reason I am not ashamed of it is that I joke about myself. I have a degree in English and American Studies, Sociology, Philosophy and have never been a big fan of university, particularly German ones, especially my own Alma Mater Hamburg - maybe the worst educational institute for a lot of fields (definitely not all, the medical, the physics, even the biology departments are quite good). But none of that has anything to do with privacy. The main point is that *I* decide what I want to give away and what not - nobody else. The argument you are bringing up reminds me a lot of the age old "If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear by our new measures". This is so stupid I don't want to, but seemingly have to, point it out again. Just two examples where information gathering seemed perfectly harmless until times changed: 1. In Denmark you didn't have anything to fear in the 1930s when a survey was made to record all Jews in the country - rest assured, the intentions were really perfectly harmless. Guess what happened when Germany invaded. When the War ended not many Danish Jews were left. Have Jews really be ashamed of their religious roots? 2. Until the 7th December 1941 there wasn't a reason to be ashamed of Asian forefathers. After that you were likely to be interned just because you looked Japanese - even if you were a third generation US citizen of Chinese decent. John Milius, Oliver Stone and Steven Spielberg showed the Asian Hysteria of Americans quite funny in *1941*. With an ever-growing marketing/advertising industry keen on information about everyone with the slightest cent to spend I don't like the frivolous approach to Privacy you showed. Actually I fear information about me in the hands of private corporations much more than officials knowing something about me. > How much is your percieved privacy issue worth to you? Privacy is a Human Right. There is no price tag. Except in Red China! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 One thing about the past. It's likely to last. (Ogden Nash) Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Hi everybody, I'm rather new to The Bat! and this mail list as well. But I already ran into a problem using The Bat! So I hope someone might be able to give me a hint. Any help is greatly appreciated. I've set up The Bat! for a single mail account that I want to receive all my email to. I actually use 5 email addresses; but 4 of them are only accounts for forwarding to my real address. I thought that might be good precaution against spam. I can simply turn off one of them when the bombardement with junk mail gets too bad. Therefore, I don't have to worry about using an address when for instance a website requires you to enter a valid email address. Anyway, the issue is that I want to be able to compose messages as well that have a certain from address in them. I already figured out that I can just enter the from address in the messages editor and everything works fine. But it's rather annoying to that manually every time I need it. I'm wondering why there isn't a drop-down menu like in the reply-to field? Could I use templates to achieve what I'm trying to do? -- Regards, Marcus Wille Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't delete Virus
Dear readers from 'TB!udl List', In one of my TBB I get an Virus Msg when scanning. Even the mail is deleted and the folder compressed I still get the Virus msg. It say: - xxx.TBB / dd-mm-2002, hh:mm.ss / html Infectio, Explot IFrame File Download - xxx.TBB / dd-mm-2002, hh:mm.ss / sample.exe Infection I-Worm Nimda.e - xxx.TBB / Infection I-Worm Nimda.e Compressing again gives 0 Bytes, looking into the folder doesn't show any mail from the mentioned time and date or sender. Any Idea how I can get rid of this without loosing the whole folder and the clean content? Thanks in advance :) -- best regards Eddie Powered by v1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 PGP (public) is available: www.EddieCastelli.com/pgpkey/ Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Hello maillisten! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 10:02:44 AM you wrote: > Could I use templates to achieve what I'm trying to do? Make up a Quick Template with the following line %FROM='Your alternative address' where the part between the quotes should be changed to your address. You can now change the From address by inserting the QT (type the handle and press +. Another way would be to set up different accounts for your various addresses. You will then have the addresses handy in the drop-down in the From field. You don't actually need to use these accounts, although you could also use them and filter mail from all accounts within TB to one. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. (Richard Dawkins) Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' TF> Rit's alternative would have to be to discontinue student TF> discounts, so you don't need to feel singled out. It is your TF> choice to shut this door for people who do not mind singling TF> themselves out by applying for this student discount. I thought I'd finished with this thread but I had to make you know that this comment is again pretty ridiculous. I'd really be interested to know why they offer student discounts. I'd think it's the same reason as any other company that offers them, i.e., good business reasoning. The business is happy in that they sell more licenses and the customer is happy in that they get to benefit from the software and yet, they're more financially challenged for good reason (they're still going to school). Many businesses feel that people involved in Education should be given a discount as a sort of privilege. Whether or not this is fair is another argument and besides the point ... another thread. I think the real reason is that they'd likely not have sold as many licenses if they didn't reduce the fees and they have a good reason to sell licenses at a reduced rate to hang on to. That makes everyone happy and not feel unfairly treated. It makes for good, noble PR. It is an investment in which they have *nothing* to lose and all to gain. I wager then that it has nothing to do with the X-Mailer headers. I frankly have a problem with the (Personal) in the standard header license as well. I don't see it any differently. I feel potentially classified. I removed only that part of my X-Mailer header, long before removing the entire header because of the unwieldy anti-spam measures that some ISP's have taken. I just didn't like my license type being 'broadcasted'. Call me irrational. I doubt that I'm breaching an agreement as well since there's nothing in the licensing agreement that mentions that I can't alter or remove the X-Mailer header from my messages. BTW, I just tried Poco yesterday and TB! is the best e-mail client out there. :) -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 & WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing many attachments
Hi! I have problem receiving attachments when the attachments have names that uses the norwegian characters 'æ','ø' or 'å'. If you look at the screenshot I've taken and put at the url http://www.internettstudio.as/temp/missing_attachments.gif you see that I've only received 1 attachment, but there should have been 8 jpg-files as attachments. Is it TheBat that can't handle norwegian characters in attachments, or is it the person who is trying to send me these jpg-files that has the problem? I've had this problem once before, but did nothing about it. Best regards Kåre Tornes Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Dierk, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:47:43 +0100 GMT (21/11/02, 15:47 +0700 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: > But none of that has anything to do with privacy. Correct. Not even with this thread. > The main point is that *I* decide what I want to give away and what > not - nobody else. You have *no right* to a discount. The vendor decides when and if they give you one. The vendor will also set the conditions. If you don't like the conditions, don't take advantage of a special discount. If you do, don't complain afterwards. What you forget is that TB is not a public utility. TB does not have a monoploy, either. It is a product in a competitive market (Monopolistic Competition is the correct term for the market of email clients, I would say). >> How much is your percieved privacy issue worth to you? > Privacy is a Human Right. There is no price tag. So why do you need the discount then? But then, I was not talking about privacy. I was talking about *perceived* privacy. As an ad-man, you certainly know the difference. You probably also know the difference between data mining (what ad agencies do) and information gathering (what governments do, sometimes using secret services for this). The differences are worth an essay in itself. You seem to have mixed up these terms temporarily in your paragraphs that I deleted (as they had nothing to do with this thread). > Except in Red China! Please elaborate. (On TBOT.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. There is no gravity. The Earth sucks. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Hello maillisten, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:02:44 +0100 GMT (21/11/02, 16:02 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyway, the issue is that I want to be able to compose messages as > well that have a certain from address in them. I already figured out > that I can just enter the from address in the messages editor and > everything works fine. But it's rather annoying to that manually every > time I need it. I'm wondering why there isn't a drop-down menu like in > the reply-to field? Could I use templates to achieve what I'm trying > to do? Yes, you cold use the %From macro. Check out the complete list of template macros in the help file for more info. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Money can't buy happiness but it can certainly rent it for a couple of hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Maillisten [M] wrote:' M> Anyway, the issue is that I want to be able to compose messages M> as well that have a certain from address in them. I already M> figured out that I can just enter the from address in the M> messages editor and everything works fine. But it's rather M> annoying to that manually every time I need it. I'm wondering why M> there isn't a drop-down menu like in the reply-to field? Could I M> use templates to achieve what I'm trying to do? Absolutely! This is exactly what they're designed for. If you have someone or a group of persons in your address book for which you know you'll always use the same From address, then you can make address book templates for them (right click the address book entry or group and select properties to get at the templates) and include the From address in them. The macro is: %From='"your name" ' Place it at the end of your template. If you have a folder with messages from many individuals, including individuals who aren't in your address book and you wish to reply to them using a specific From address, you can configure the folder to use the address. Just go into the Folder properties (right click and select properties) then go to the identity tab. There, you can enter a From name and address. Any message that you generate while the folder is in focus will have that From address, unless there's an address book template with a %From macro that overrides the folder settings. -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 & WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Thursday, November 21, 2002, 11:00:02 AM, you wrote: ACM> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ACM> Maillisten [M] wrote:' ACM> %From='"your name" ' ACM> Place it at the end of your template. Hi everybody, thanks for all your quick replies. I must have been blind or just plain stupid not to try the macro function. This is so cool. I already love The Bat! more than any other email application I'v ever used. Thanks again!!! -- Best regards, Marcus Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: random signature quotes
Hello Deborah, Tuesday, November 19, 2002, 12:59:12 AM, you wrote: DW> I would like to be able to insert random quotations in my signature. I'm DW> sure I've seen this discussed on-list before, but can't find the DW> relevant information in the archives. Will some kind soul please explain DW> to me, in the simplest possible terms :-), how to do this? Place in your template(s) the line %WRAPPED="%COOKIE" That's all. Make sure your cookies are each on one line only, like the one I have below this message. %wrapped does the wrapping for you. -- Best regards, Josmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .. When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me. . Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Allie, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:49:28 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 16:49 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: TF>> Rit's alternative would have to be to discontinue student TF>> discounts, so you don't need to feel singled out. It is your TF>> choice to shut this door for people who do not mind singling TF>> themselves out by applying for this student discount. > I thought I'd finished with this thread but I had to make you know > that this comment is again pretty ridiculous. I thought it was pretty clear that this my statement was exaggerated so as to be thought-provoking. > I'd really be interested to know why they offer student discounts. > I'd think it's the same reason [...] I agree with this. > I wager then that it has nothing to do with the X-Mailer headers. They just put it in, as a condition coming with the discount. I don't even think they thought a lot about this. > BTW, I just tried Poco yesterday and TB! is the best e-mail client > out there. :) :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. RealWorld? Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:47:43 +0100 Dierk Haasis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > But none of that has anything to do with privacy. The main point is > that *I* decide what I want to give away and what not - nobody else. I'm going to butt in here. The point is that you *did* decide. You decided that you wanted the Educational version with all that it entails. > The argument you are bringing up reminds me a lot of the age old "If > you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear by our new > measures". This is so stupid I don't want to, but seemingly have to, > point it out again. The name Godwin suddenly comes to mind... (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Godwin's-Law.html) > > With an ever-growing marketing/advertising industry keen on > information about everyone with the slightest cent to spend I don't > like the frivolous approach to Privacy you showed. Actually I fear > information about me in the hands of private corporations much more > than officials knowing something about me. > > How much is your percieved privacy issue worth to you? > > Privacy is a Human Right. There is no price tag. Except in Red China! Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole "Human Right" argument. To be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything. Therefore it is somewhat irrational to assume that one has a right to anything simply because one exists. This doesn't mean that I think you should just accept whatever others try to force on you. One should protect whatever one has, be it privacy or anything else, and strive to improve ones life. Ok, enough armchair philosophy I'll stop now. -- Best regards, Hexdumpmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' TF> You have *no right* to a discount. The vendor decides when and TF> if they give you one. The vendor will also set the conditions. TF> If you don't like the conditions, don't take advantage of a TF> special discount. If you do, don't complain afterwards. Stick a pin. Sean wasn't actually complaining to Ritlabs. He asked for a solution. I haven't complained to Ritlabs about this. I just altered my headers. Is stating my disagreement or dislike for some aspect of the program necessarily a complaint? And even then, why does paying for software and accepting it mean that you cannot complain about some aspect of it. If we had adopted your attitude on the issue, then the serial numbers would still be in the X-Mailer header. Why is complaining about the X-Mailer header any different from complaining about any other aspect of the application? Thank goodness Ritlabs doesn't have this 'take-it-or-leave-it' position on their licensing, and how they choose to present their application to their users. They listen, are reasonable and will make a change if their customers present a good case. They're human and as a result often overlook some aspects of certain issues. It can be very difficult to understand how policies can affect or get in the way of customers. It's therefore in a companies interest to listen carefully to their customers complaints/suggestions/requests and implement changes as they see fit. -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 & WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing many attachments
Hallo Kåre, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:28 +0100GMT (21-11-02, 10:58 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: KHT> Is it TheBat that can't handle norwegian characters in attachments, or KHT> is it the person who is trying to send me these jpg-files that has the KHT> problem? Press F9 to view the source of the message, here you can see whether it still contains eight files. (You'll see the file seperator and the new file name between the encoded files.) If the messages contains eight files, you could try to export it to *.eml and import that into Outlook Express. Another option would be to create a new folder, move the message to that new folder. Close TB. Rename the file messages.tbb in your new folder to messages.uue and open the file with WinZip. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hi, Jonathan Chattin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : > Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole "Human Right" argument. > To be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything. > Therefore it is somewhat irrational to assume that one has a right > to anything simply because one exists. This doesn't mean that I > think you should just accept whatever others try to force on you. > One should protect whatever one has, be it privacy or anything else, > and strive to improve ones life. Ok, enough armchair philosophy I'll > stop now. Should you decide to do some more armchair philosophy, you might check out Hobbes (not the Calvin kind) or Locke and whatthey have to say about natural rights. :) Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't delete Virus
Hallo Eddie, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:08:35 +0100GMT (21-11-02, 10:08 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: EC> Any Idea how I can get rid of this without loosing the whole folder EC> and the clean content? You are sure about having deleted the infected message? Create a new folder. Move the clean messages to your new folder. Delete the infected folder. See if that helps. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' >> I wager then that it has nothing to do with the X-Mailer headers. TF> They just put it in, as a condition coming with the discount. I TF> don't even think they thought a lot about this. And here lies the real point I think is a valid one. They included it without thinking much of the privacy issues involved, pretty much as they did with the serial numbers. It seemed like a good thing for them to do at the time, i.e., it helps them to track their licensing types. Of course, since they can use it to track, then others can. As someone in advertising, Dierk put an interesting twist to it. Depending on your licensing types, you can be targeted by advertisers/spammers. It's OK, as long as they don't ruffle too many customers feathers, in which case, they'd have to really think about removing it as they did with the serial numbers. If you don't think the customers have a say on this matter, then see what the business is like without them. It's actually *all* about the customers, unless they made the software for their own personal use and happen to be freely sharing its use, as with freeware. Clearly, this particular aspect of TB! that we're discussing, doesn't seem to be such a big issue for most. Not even for me though I made the effort to alter my headers information since I can. My argument is really one of principle and that Seans concerns aren't without validity. -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 & WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Hallo maillisten, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:02:44 +0100GMT (21-11-02, 10:02 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: mzd> Anyway, the issue is that I want to be able to compose messages as mzd> well that have a certain from address in them. I already figured out mzd> that I can just enter the from address in the messages editor and mzd> everything works fine. But it's rather annoying to that manually every mzd> time I need it. What I'm doing for separate addresses in one account is that I have each different address filtered into it's own folder. In the folder properties of those folders I've entered the matching address as from and reply-to address. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:29:58 +0100 Markus Gloede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should you decide to do some more armchair philosophy, you might check > out Hobbes (not the Calvin kind) or Locke and whatthey have to say > about natural rights. :) > I'm always looking for a good book. Is there a particular title that you recommend? -- Best regards, Hexdumpmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Missing many attachments
I tried pressing F9, and it was NOT eight files in the message. What does that tell you? -- Kåre Tornes RO> Hallo Kåre, RO> On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:28 +0100GMT (21-11-02, 10:58 +0100GMT, where RO> I live), you wrote: KHT>> Is it TheBat that can't handle norwegian characters in attachments, or KHT>> is it the person who is trying to send me these jpg-files that has the KHT>> problem? RO> Press F9 to view the source of the message, here you can see whether RO> it still contains eight files. (You'll see the file seperator and the RO> new file name between the encoded files.) RO> If the messages contains eight files, you could try to export it to RO> *.eml and import that into Outlook Express. RO> Another option would be to create a new folder, move the message to RO> that new folder. Close TB. Rename the file messages.tbb in your new RO> folder to messages.uue and open the file with WinZip. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't delete Virus
Dear Roelof, --->>> Roelof Otten / Donnerstag, 21.11.2002, 11:36:01 Can't delete Virus > You are sure about having deleted the infected message? definitely - I checked different option to find the mail - no success. > Create a new folder. > Move the clean messages to your new folder. > Delete the infected folder. ok will try this - let's see > See if that helps. will let you know! thanks! -- best regards Eddie Powered by v1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 PGP (public) is available: www.EddieCastelli.com/pgpkey/ Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hallo Jonathan, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:15:23 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 17:15 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Chattin wrote: > Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole "Human Right" argument. To > be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything. But the United Nations do. Human Rights are defined by general agreement, like any law (they do not come from Nature, in this you are right). These are rights that all humans have within the human society. These rights cannot be taken away from them without either claiming exceptions, such as during prison terms, or by violating the UN resolution - the latter is meant when people speak about violation of human rights. BTW the right to not have your email client show that you bought it for a discount, is not a human right. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Black holes are where God divided by zero. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 11:15:23 AM you wrote: > Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole "Human Right" argument. To > be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything. Nothing to do with Nature - whatever that should mean. Nature is in the best sense a-moral. Ethical values stem solely from our existence. If you don't like Human Rights as a universal it's alright with me. I therefore decline you the right to privacy, security, freedom, life. You are now blacklisted and have to watch your back constantly if you think you have a right to live. My reasoning behind this is simple, since you explained that I have no natural rights to that you say everybody can decide for himself how to handle other people. I decided you are not worth living. Since someone surely will read this wrong, I add: You surely see how universal Human Rights have come about. It has something to do with protecting oneself (there'll always be someone stronger than me). All the abstract discourses in philosophy and religion will finally resolve to the simple (natural) realization that a "Strongest will Survive" world will not work. BTW, as usual so-called Social Darwinists (incl. sadly Herbert Spencer) misinterpreted Darwin's ideas. Darwin himself didn't like Spencer's adage "Survival of the Fittest", which has been misinterpreted in its own way. Yes, altruism is natural. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Allie, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:17:46 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 17:17 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: > Stick a pin. Sean wasn't actually complaining to Ritlabs. He asked > for a solution. I was replying to Dierk, who is using a "personal" version and made a bigger deal out of it than Sean. Sean didn't complain about targeted ads, either; Dierk did. > They listen, are reasonable and will make a change if their > customers present a good case. Yes, but I myself am not convinced a good case has been presented. >From a marketing POV, I fail to see the differentiation between the "personal" and the discounted "educational" version if it weren't declared in the header. Of course, it is up to Rit to sell an identical product at two different prices. It's only that I wouldn't do it. As for the serial numbers, a good case was presented, as the individual sender can be traced. The information "educational" is however much too general (except if you really want to target ads at students or teachers, in which case you wouldn't just rely on TB users). Your IP address tells me a lot more about you: where you live, whether you are on dial-up or DSL, and so on. Why not complain about lack of privacy in this case? What if TB doesn't show "educational" but my ISP is a university? Am I doomed? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sign in a Laundromat: AUTOMATIC WASHING MACHINES: PLEASE REMOVE ALL YOUR CLOTHES WHEN THE LIGHT GOES OUT Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:53:09 +0700 Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo Jonathan, > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:15:23 -0500 GMT (21/11/02, 17:15 +0700 GMT), > Jonathan Chattin wrote: > > > Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole "Human Right" argument. > > To be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything. > > But the United Nations do. Human Rights are defined by general > agreement, like any law (they do not come from Nature, in this you are > right). These are rights that all humans have within the human > society. These rights cannot be taken away from them without either > claiming exceptions, such as during prison terms, or by violating the > UN resolution - the latter is meant when people speak about violation > of human rights. Ahh, I see your point. I suppose I should refrain from debating issues when I've been up all night. (It's 6am here now.) I entirely overlooked Dierk's comment about China. :-( > BTW the right to not have your email client show that you bought > it for a discount, is not a human right. And here I completely agree with you. -- Best regards, Hexdumpmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Hello Marcus, > Anyway, the issue is that I want to be able to compose messages as > well that have a certain from address in them. I already figured out > that I can just enter the from address in the messages editor and > everything works fine. But it's rather annoying to that manually every > time I need it. I'm wondering why there isn't a drop-down menu like in > the reply-to field? Could I use templates to achieve what I'm trying > to do? You can certainly use templates and macros as you have guessed and other have told you. But if you are sorting you 5 different email addresses to different folders you can also set different Identities at folder level (see folder Properties). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hi, Jonathan Chattin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : > I'm always looking for a good book. Is there a particular title that > you recommend? Hobbes's Leviathan is not an easy read, but here it is: http://www.orst.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html I'm leaving this thread now. It's already Dead Horse material (dog food comes to mind). Last OT remark, though, can a thread that also revolves around basic freedoms be silenced? :) Regards, Markus P.S.: An OU alumnus pointing to an OSU site, tsts. -- Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' TF> I was replying to Dierk, who is using a "personal" version and TF> made a bigger deal out of it than Sean. Sean didn't complain TF> about targeted ads, either; Dierk did. Dierk gave a good example of how such seemingly innocuous disclosure of your license type could be used against you. That's all. Sean presented his concern for having 'Educational' in the headers. Dierk presented his concern for having even 'Personal' or 'Business' in the headers. I'm no student either and I have my concerns. Surely, you see that this goes beyond simply being a someone who doesn't like being misunderstood into being thought to be a poor student (whether that be qualitatively a valid concern or not). We're trying to reveal the bigger picture here and this I mentioned in my very first comment, i.e., that his concern of being misunderstood and your telling him that there's nothing to be ashamed about, being a student , is besides the point. The point is one of privacy. If you don't breach privacy, then Seans concern will not come up. I had a similar discussion with Marck and Brainstorm. Initially, each HTML published brainstorm document would have at the bottom of it that it was published using BrainStorm. This was hard coded into it, even if you're a registered user. Now you may consider this not to be a problem, a breach of privacy or anything. You may also feel that it wasn't in my place to complain about it, and that I could easily just not use the software. Anyway, I didn't like this and chose not simply not use the software. I felt that, as a registered user, it was my right to disclose this information or not to. Of course, it would help Brainstorm software sales to have it there all the time. I concede that, but I think you know the rest ... They eventually changed this, and now I can put whatever I like there, including their default comment, or nothing at all. Now isn't that a much better arrangement? BTW, have you all tried BrainStorm? It's great software. :) TF> As for the serial numbers, a good case was presented, as the TF> individual sender can be traced. TF> The information "educational" is however much too general You're not looking at it from a point of principle. A principled approach avoids this sort of subjective assessment that's really not valid, since it's just that ... subjective. -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 & WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:' ACM> You're not looking at it from a point of principle. A ACM> principled approach avoids this sort of subjective assessment ACM> that's really not valid, since it's just that ... subjective. This message was really intended for TBOT since I think we've really burdened the list traffic enough with this discussion which now has little to do with 'how to use TB!'. I guess I was too eagerly typing and forgot to change the address from TBUDL to TBOT. Anyway, to Thomas and those who may wish to contribute, I think it prudent that we take any further discussion on this matter off-list and I hereby make it an official request. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 & WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.65 iD8DBQE93MhQV8nrYCsHF+IRAvrJAKDichocCAbvfVwLQaj49Tla8DHKsgCcC5s+ P0mSsdQP8ekELmhC87YaapA= =AoC4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 20:31:08 GMT -0600 (which was 8:31 PM where I live), thus spake Sean on the subject of "Student, Private, and Business versions": S> The 'educational' line in the x-mailer header gives out information S> about me that some people would otherwise not know. It's not a huge S> deal, but I wish the headers were more generic and did not provide S> information beyond which e-mail program I use. No other "educational" S> software that I use (e.g., MS products) identify themselves in such a S> way. Are you sure about that? If memory serves, when I was looking at the licensing info on an educational copy of some MS software the other day, you were only legally authorized to use the educational version AS LONG AS YOU WERE A HALF-TIME OR MORE STUDENT, or if you were employed FULL TIME AS AN EDUCATOR. Meaning, if neither applied,you were illegally using the software. remember, if you use illegal software, you can go to jail in the USA. Also, are you absolutely certain that the educational version of the MS Office suite doesn't mark documents produced with them of the fact that they are "educational" versions? I'd hazard to guess that they do, even if it's not in as obvious of a place as the X-* headers of an e-mail message. That being said, I'd personally prefer if there were an option in TB to turn off all of the client-generated X- headers. But that's just me. -- Best regards, Geordonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your fortune: "Love has reasons which reason cannot understand." - Blaise Pascal Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Using Sound Effectively
Tuesday, November 19, 2002, 1:16:23 PM, you wrote: PM> Hi Thomas, PM> on Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:17:14 +0700GMT (19.11.02, 16:17 +0100GMT here), PM> you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : >>> I would like to play a wav file if any new email ends up in the >>> Inbox-Known folder. I don't see a way to do that. TF>> Unfortunately, you can do this only with a work-around. Don't use the TF>> Known filter, but create one manually that sends the mail to your TF>> Known folder and plays the soound. PM> I guess it works the other way around, as I found no option to filter on PM> address books when creating a new filter. I created a Known folder which PM> allows me to select sound, and pointed the existing Known filter to it PM> instead of the default Inbox-Known. So keep the filter, but create a new PM> destination folder. :-) I tried following your advice but came up with a new problem. I hadn't realized that my sound file would be played for each and every email coming into that folder (duh!). It sounds awful when a half dozen emails get moved into the folder as it doesn't execute the sound file based on my pressing the "get new mail" button but rather based on items being moved into the folder. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Allie C Martin, ACM> I think it prudent that we take any further discussion on this ACM> matter off-list and I hereby make it an official request. Danken Sie Gott! ;-) X-ray rules over headers! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Hint of the day: C:\>deltree\bin\laden -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. (HINT - You get $11.00 towards your mailbox for each referral who signs up!) Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 07:29:29 [GMT +0100] (which was 07:29 where I live) Chris Brouwer wrote: CB> Still, I would rather have a virus scanner preventing an infected CB> file even to reach my harddisk. Well, the main problem with using TheBat! and an on-access scanner is that it does exactly that. When TheBat! is downloading mail, it is temporarily saved to a file in the %TEMP directory. If an on-access scanner catches a virus there and blocks access to the file, TheBat! can no longer process the message and to TheBat! the message remains 'undownloaded'; as a result, each time it checks for mail again, a new warning will be received and short of using the Distpatcher to kill the offending mail off the server, there is no other way to solve this. CB> On the other hand, I still would like to know how these TB plugins CB> work, where to get them, etc. As much for technical curiosity as CB> for trying to find out if I need to do more for my anti virus CB> protection. It would be nice to have a combination of both. Using the on-access scanner for regular work, and the TB plugins for mailscan. One could tell the on-access scanner to skip the %TEMP directory and install an apropriate plug-in for the virus scanner; unfortunately, TB isn't the only program that uses the %TEMP dir, and other programs like news-software may use it to temporarily store incoming postings that should still be scanned. In order to solve that, one should be able to specify a TB specific %TEMP dir that could then be excluded without wreaking havoc on other sw. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Dierk, Thursday, November 21, 2002, 2:47:43 AM, you wrote: DH> Hello Thomas! DH> Just two examples where information gathering seemed perfectly DH> harmless until times changed: DH> 1. In Denmark you didn't have anything to fear in the 1930s DH> when a survey was made to record all Jews in the country - DH> rest assured, the intentions were really perfectly harmless. DH> Guess what happened when Germany invaded. When the War ended DH> not many Danish Jews were left. Have Jews really be ashamed DH> of their religious roots? This made the news in my country (USA) in my youth. And it is only one example from only one of the countries in Europe. DH> 2. Until the 7th December 1941 there wasn't a reason to be DH> ashamed of Asian forefathers. After that you were likely to DH> be interned just because you looked Japanese - even if you DH> were a third generation US citizen of Chinese decent. John DH> Milius, Oliver Stone and Steven Spielberg showed the Asian DH> Hysteria of Americans quite funny in *1941*. The Asians caught the worst of it. But there was also a large and stupid hysteria against second-and-third generation Americans of German, Austrian, and even Swiss (if they had German as a first language) extraction. I witnessed it personally. An "accent" was enough to bring on social "shunning." Of course, this comment is off-topic: to my knowledge there were no government records kept that caused the group with "German accents" to be given a hard time. DH> With an ever-growing marketing/advertising industry keen on DH> information about everyone with the slightest cent to spend I don't DH> like the frivolous approach to Privacy you showed. Actually I fear DH> information about me in the hands of private corporations much more DH> than officials knowing something about me. This is exactly why I turned down the Winn-Dixie discount card being so heavily and insistently offered to me every time I go to the grocery. Yes, it might cut my grocery bill 10 or even 25 per cent. But then they would have a record of everything I bought, attached to my name and address. Maybe I don't want them to know I'm buying Dean Koontz and Stephen King novels off their magazine rack! I think this is a parallel instance. Please correct my logic if I'm wrong. >> How much is your perceived privacy issue worth to you? DH> Privacy is a Human Right. There is no price tag. Except in Red China! Privacy, the handmaiden of Freedom. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com P.S. It was my choice to add this sig. I like this message board. MRB Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Markus, Thursday, November 21, 2002, 4:29:58 AM, you wrote: MG> Jonathan Chattin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : >> Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole "Human Right" argument. >> To be honest it is fairly silly. ... Ok, enough armchair philosophy I'll >> stop now. MG> Should you decide to do some more armchair philosophy, you might check MG> out Hobbes (not the Calvin kind) or Locke and whatthey have to say MG> about natural rights. :) Right on, Markus! Philosophy can have very natural and mortal consequences to humans, on occasion! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
ON Thursday, November 21, 2002, 2:44:58 PM, you wrote: GV> That being said, I'd personally prefer if there were an option in TB GV> to turn off all of the client-generated X- headers. But that's just GV> me. No. that's me to and I would like top be able my own ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: You really whacked the hell out of that sucker Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using Sound Effectively
Hi Joe On Thursday, November 21, 2002 08:38 your local time, which was 05:38 my local time, Joe Berry [JB] wrote; JB> I hadn't realized that my sound file would be played for each and JB> every email coming into that folder (duh!). It sounds awful when a JB> half dozen emails get moved into the folder as it doesn't execute JB> the sound file based on my pressing the "get new mail" button but JB> rather based on items being moved into the folder. This is the exact same problem I had and hence I previously wrote the following message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Chris. -- Created Using The Bat! V1.61 E-Mail Client and Virus Checked by DrWeb. "There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men think, I know what I'm doing. Just show me somebody naked." Jerry Seinfeld Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins
Hello Chris, Tuesday, November 19, 2002, 11:29:29 PM, you wrote: > On the other hand, I still would like to know how these TB plugins > work, where to get them, etc. As much for technical curiosity as for > trying to find out if I need to do more for my anti virus protection. See ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/ Also, http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/ (look for BAV, Virus, etc.) http://www.ritlabs.com/securebat/index.html (Secure Bat!) -- Best regards, Quin Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing many attachments
Hallo Kåre, On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:52:48 +0100GMT (21-11-02, 11:52 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: KHT> I tried pressing F9, and it was NOT eight files in the message. KHT> What does that tell you? That it's probably the sender's side that's having problems. (Note the 'probably'.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Opera 7, TheBat!, FAQ, DOM
Dierk, DH> I know, I tested it for Marck on the weekend. I just meant that due to DH> the early beta status of O7 Marck didn't change the site, yet. On a related yet unrelated note... I tried out the O7 beta and dumped it as soon as I discovered that I couldn't use The Bat! as my default (external?) mail client yet. ;) Looks like I need to wait a bit longer. Still using 6.05 here. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems with addressing (macro/AB)
TheBat-users, I have a problem. I have a company (Account A) and all customers are automatically added to an address book group, let's call it X. I have some friends in another address book (Y). The address book is set so that replies to members of that group is automatically sent from Account B. When I reply to friends (in AB Y) who are _also_ customers (in AB X), the account automatically changes to B, although account A is "active". This makes perfect sense. How do I avoid this? Folder templates? And how do I fix it for new messages? Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels "buggy". -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 1.62/Beta6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: Using Sound Effectively
Joe > I tried following your advice but came up with a new problem. I hadn't > realized that my sound file would be played for each and every email > coming into that folder (duh!). It sounds awful when a half dozen > emails get moved into the folder as it doesn't execute the sound file > based on my pressing the "get new mail" button but rather based on > items being moved into the folder. You might want to try this: free utility Mailcall 2 (from PCMag) at: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,353,00.asp It can be used to pre-scan mail while its still on the server and allows you to configure filters with a different WAV file played for each filter satisfied. If you make a couple of recordings you can have (forinstance): Personal mail for Alec - has Alec or Burgess in it Bounceback mail from Yahoo - from my address but to: any Yahoo-group Regular mail - everything else. You can also choose to have a pop-up showing headers and allowing viewing of details and headers only for certain classes of mail. All this gets done before TBat downloads mail from the server. Just make sure MailCall runs more frequently than TBat. It also displays a count of new mail received in the systray icon. Basic scheme: let Mailcall do a prelimanary analysis playing a sound as requested, then let TBat do the heavy lifting of executing any more detailed filtering. Regards ... Alec -- - On Thu, 21-Nov-2002 08:38 [GMT+500 EST], Joe Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tuesday, November 19, 2002, 1:16:23 PM, you wrote: > >> Hi Thomas, > >> on Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:17:14 +0700GMT (19.11.02, 16:17 +0100GMT >> here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : > Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Chiropter Operators, In a recent discussion with a friend I was _told_ ;) that 'Re:' used in the subject line of an email was an abbreviation for 'Reply' and _not_ 'Regarding', and that Re: _shouldn't ever_ be used in the sense of 'Regarding' when used in email message Subject fields. The reason I was given was that using 'Regarding', whether in abbreviated form or not, in the 'Subject:' field, was tautological. Although I can see the logic there I didn't think that was a good enough reason in itself. Anyhow, after thinking about it, I can understand that using Re: in a *new message* to mean 'Regarding' may be confounding to the recipient of it as it may be mistaken to mean a 'Reply', but I am still uncertain whether there is an actual proper or accepted usage of 'Re:' in email messages. I looked up RFC2822 and from what I can gather the use of Re: is first of all optional as it states that: RFC2822>...the field body MAY start with the string "Re: "... It then goes on to define "Re:" : RFC2822>...string "Re: " (from the Latin "res", in the matter of)..." Well the RFC would then seem to be suggesting the use of "Re:" in the sense of 'Regarding'. However, The Bat! (and some other clients) seem to be using 'Re:' to mean 'Reply' and not "in the matter of", as my friend is suggesting is proper. In fact, in TB!'s help file the SINGLERE macro is used to "disable reply counting". So then, Re[3] in the subject line would mean Reply 3 and not Regarding 3, or "in the matter of" 3. So, does anyone know whether there is some email etiquette to settle this. Does Re: mean 'Regarding' or 'Reply' when used in the Subject field? And is one acceptable and the other unacceptable? - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #2754. Raw Rid Less My Quo ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPd2O8Mtub/5cfolmEQL+NgCgqVGuMSPlKlC/6j1O/xG1pP7W2IEAoMX5 i3HO69wvNkXQNwGbPau92hCX =qoyq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! Find/Replace
TBUDL members I was using the find/replace command in the message text today, but I cannot work out how to use the found text in the replace box. The help text and FAQ didn't provide me with any pointers, so can someone on the list help me? Regards Robin -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! Find/Replace
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Robin, On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:00:10 +1100 your time, you said: RA> ...but I cannot work out how to use the found text in the replace box. I think the assumption is that you will know what text you want to replace with before you search. Anyhow, lets say that you wanted to replace the word "cat" with "dog" you could position the cursor in front of the word "cat" and hit CTRL+F7 and the search and replace window will pop up with "cat" in the 'Text to find' field. You then just type "dog" into the 'Replace with' field and hit the 'Replace all' button, or hit OK button to replace the first occurrence. To just search either hit CTRL+F and enter the word to search for, or position the cursor in front of a word that you want to search for occurrences of and hit CTRL+F keys to have it auto-entered into the 'Text' to search for field. - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #448. Sad Elm Irs Quo Wry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPd2hLMtub/5cfolmEQJaKwCfSHle7IQjeMTTT+hjmKiHcixv3cgAoPqw 4YVdJ+aFSBbp9fBWyBJwdGT4 =YEp8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Using Sound Effectively
Thursday, November 21, 2002, 12:14:35 PM, you wrote: CW> This is the exact same problem I had and hence I previously wrote the CW> following message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think my problem is that I only review the TBUDL (and other) mail lists late at night when I'm quite tired. Sorry I didn't understand (nor appreciate) your response. Thanks for your patience. The answer makes sense. Joe Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using Sound Effectively
Hi Joe On Thursday, November 21, 2002 22:54 your local time, which was 19:54 my local time, Joe Berry [JB] wrote; CW>> This is the exact same problem I had and hence I previously wrote CW>> the following message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB> I think my problem is that I only review the TBUDL (and other) mail JB> lists late at night when I'm quite tired. Sorry I didn't understand JB> (nor appreciate) your response. Thanks for your patience. The JB> answer makes sense. No worries. I'm often the same. Late night, blurred vision (often brought on by alcohol LOL) It was also good to pass on my experience from what I was struggling with a short time ago! I hope it works for you! Cheers, Chris. -- Created Using The Bat! V1.61 E-Mail Client and Virus Checked by DrWeb. "I have nothing to declare except my genuis." Oscar Wilde Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins
Hello Chris, On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:30:16 +0100 GMT (20/11/02, 02:30 +0700 GMT), Chris Brouwer wrote: > Where can I find such plugins ? I searched the Help-file and FAQ, but > couldn't find any info on this. I am copying this from an earlier mail from Allie and have added AVG. Kaspersky plug-in is apparently integrated in TB anyway, but I am still missing the NOD32 plug-in in the below list. Where can we download it? And should the plug-in locations be in the FAQ? Dr Web: http://www.dials.ru/english/inf/thebat.htm SophosNT: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/SophosNT.BAV Sophos95: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Sophos95.BAV Panda: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Panda.BAV (I'm not sure of this ones name): ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/BitDefSt.BAV AntivirusNT: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/AntiVirNT.BAV Antivirus95: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/AntiVir95.BAV AVG (deutsch): http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9ge.exe AVG (englisch): http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9us.exe > Can I 'create' such a plugin myself to call eSafe ? You would have to contact the developers about who to create a plug-in. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS But it uses up a thousand times the memory. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello Simon, On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:57:04 + GMT (22/11/02, 08:57 +0700 GMT), Simon wrote: > In a recent discussion with a friend I was _told_ ;) that 'Re:' used in the > subject line of an email was an abbreviation for 'Reply' > Anyhow, after thinking about it, I can understand that using Re: in a *new > message* to mean 'Regarding' may be confounding to the recipient of it as it > may be mistaken to mean a 'Reply', but I am still uncertain whether there is > an actual proper or accepted usage of 'Re:' in email messages. "Re:" stands for Reply. > I looked up RFC2822 and from what I can gather the use of Re: is first of > all optional as it states that: RFC2822>>...the field body MAY start with the string "Re: "... > It then goes on to define "Re:" : RFC2822>>...string "Re: " (from the Latin "res", in the matter of)..." This is a misuqoting. Here is the a more complete version: > These three fields are intended to have only human-readable content >with information about the message. The "Subject:" field is the most >common and contains a short string identifying the topic of the >message. When used in a reply, the field body MAY start with the >string "Re: " (from the Latin "res", in the matter of) followed by >the contents of the "Subject:" field body of the original message. >If this is done, only one instance of the literal string "Re: " ought >to be used since use of other strings or more than one instance can >lead to undesirable consequences. RFC2822 therefore states that the "Re:" may be used when *in a reply*. The author's assessment that "res" is a Latin expression meaning "in the matter of" is wrong, "res" is just a female noun meaning "thing" or "matter". Whether "Re:" stands for "res" (in which case I wonder why we exchange the last "s" with a colon) or for "Reply:" is anybody's guess. I would say the latter, in the sense of: "I am replying to your mail with a subject of: [followed be the original subject]". > Well the RFC would then seem to be suggesting the use of "Re:" in the sense > of 'Regarding'. However, The Bat! (and some other clients) seem to be using > 'Re:' to mean 'Reply' and not "in the matter of", as my friend is suggesting > is proper. Your friend misread the RFC, and TB and all other (RFC-abiding) clients use Re: in replies. Note that the little word "may" means that it is perfectly OK to just repeat the original subject without adding "Re:" in the reply. But creating a new message and starting the subject line with "Re:" is not what is meant. > Does Re: mean 'Regarding' or 'Reply' when used in the Subject field? It means "Reply". > And is one acceptable and the other unacceptable? It is acceptable (and quite common and sensible, but not absolutely necessary) to add "Re:" to the beginning of a subject line when replying. It is not acceptable in other cases. HTH. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins
Hi Thomas On Friday, November 22, 2002 12:01 your local time, which was Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 21:01 my local time, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote; TF> I am copying this from an earlier mail from Allie and have added TF> AVG. Kaspersky plug-in is apparently integrated in TB anyway, but I TF> am still missing the NOD32 plug-in in the below list. Where can we TF> download it? And should the plug-in locations be in the FAQ? TF> Dr Web: http://www.dials.ru/english/inf/thebat.htm SophosNT: TF> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/SophosNT.BAV Sophos95: TF> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Sophos95.BAV Panda: TF> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Panda.BAV (I'm not sure of TF> this ones name): ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/BitDefSt.BAV TF> AntivirusNT: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/AntiVirNT.BAV TF> Antivirus95: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/AntiVir95.BAV AVG TF> (deutsch): http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9ge.exe AVG TF> (englisch): http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9us.exe Do you mind if I add a newer one for DrWeb as the one listed above is for version 4.28. http://www.dials.ru/english/inf/news.php?id=65 On Oct 30th, DrWeb released Version 4.29 and therefore released a new version of the plug-in as the previous version's were no longer compatible. This is therefore the TB! plug-in to be used with 4.29 Hope you find that useful Cheers, Chris. -- Created Using The Bat! V1.61 E-Mail Client and Virus Checked by DrWeb. "Is he just doing a bad Elvis pout, or was he born that way?" Freddie Mercury on Billy Idol Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
ON Friday, November 22, 2002, 2:57:04 AM, you wrote: S> So, does anyone know whether there is some email etiquette to settle this. S> Does Re: mean 'Regarding' or 'Reply' when used in the Subject field? And is S> one acceptable and the other unacceptable? Hi Simon, Sometimes standard are created by the use of a product. I would never interpret Re: as meaning regarding. I would therefore say that the abreviation of Regarding as Re:, specially in the subject of an email will not be interpreted as such and is therefore unacceptable. All of this is only valid if you are using English ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Universal Laws of Golf: A severe slice is a thing of awesome power and beauty. Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
