Re: Failure of address book autocompletion
Bill On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, 3:26:03 PM, you wrote: >>> The address book Current Projects is the default address book, >>> right? I believe only the default is searched. > >> That is changeable in Options - Preferences - System. You can set it >> to All Addressbooks. > > That's something different. It's for auto-completion. I have that > turned off. The AB search, = or -, doesn't appear to have > an All Addressbooks setting. I have auto-completion set to All Addressbooks, and the AB search finds address book entries in my Rosetta address book group, at least the ones that don't exhibit the problem. And before you ask, the entries in the group are not found in any other address book. Robin -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Spike, M>> Are your spam filter(s) before or after the mailing list filters? M>> It looks like if for some reason you mailing list messages were M>> catched as spam. > > The [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters ARE before the list filters, as there are specific > text phrases such as "Ancient Toaist," "throbbing erections" and > "Saundanese Arab Method" (I think you know the specific spam messages > I am talking about!) and the text strings are specific and targeted. Even if it was only for a test, I would put the list filters before the spam ones. Your own message, the one I am replying to, is an example of a legitimate message that includes "specific text phrases" or words. I have seen this happen in other mailing lists. > Is there some explanation as to why the filters would work correctly > on the SAME messages, only now from the trash folder? Not that I can think of at the moment, but there must be one if it works as you say. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [personal] Re: Failure of address book autocompletion
ON Wednesday, July 9, 2003, 4:18:46 AM, you wrote: RA> Chris Smith displays as "Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". RA> If I use the address book icon to select Chris Smith, and then delete RA> the address until only "Chris S" remains, and then search through the RA> address book with = or -, autocomplete finds Chris RA> Sinclair and Chris Stone, but not Chris Smith. RA> As I noted previously, if I delete the Chris Smith entry and the RA> recreate an identical entry, autocomplete then finds it as it should. RA> Up until recently that would be the end of it, and I would have no RA> further problem with that address book entry. Hi Robin, Is it possible that function searches the addressbook but exludes the names inthe recent history list because those should have already have shown? Just a guess. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf does strange things to other people too. It makes liars out of honest men, cheats out of altruists, cowards out of brave men, and fools out of everybody. Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [personal] Re: Failure of address book autocompletion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Anson, [RA] wrote: RA> As I noted previously, if I delete the Chris Smith entry and the RA> recreate an identical entry, autocomplete then finds it as it RA> should. Up until recently that would be the end of it, and I would RA> have no further problem with that address book entry. RA> But over the last two or three weeks, within this particular group RA> of 8 addressbook entries the problem occurs with address book RA> entries that had previously been found through autocomplete. RA> Furthermore, fixing an entry (by recreating it) does not mean it RA> will stay fixed. Hmmm. Have you thought of creating a new address book, transferring all those addresses to it and deleting the old address book. It would seem that there may be a problem with the address book file. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPwvwC1fJ62ArBxfiEQLVqgCdGX7ArJt4zCgO0Rs6W/0aMs2WgoEAoIMQ FrFRYDkqbtSV/WrEKWHeFSMs =7V+a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unpredictable filter actions
SS> The [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters ARE before the list filters, as there are specific SS> text phrases such as "Ancient Toaist," "throbbing erections" and SS> "Saundanese Arab Method" (I think you know the specific spam messages SS> I am talking about!) and the text strings are specific and targeted. I have good success putting my spam catcher _after_ filters that look for stuff I want to keep and read. In other words, pick off the stuff you want to read _first_, route it to the appropriate folders, then run what's left through the spam filter(s). This method has the added advantage of avoiding a legitimate message accidentally getting treated as spam. For example, if someone in my address book sends me a message containing the phrase "erection of a new bridge over the Swatara Creek", it gets filtered to my "known" folder, even though "erection" is a word my spam filter, later, will look for. If the spam filter is first, this good message would get trashed. Anything that doesn't get picked off by any filter, including the spam catcher, I route to my "unknown" folder. The "unknown" filter comes last. Known filter(s) Spam filter(s) Unknown filter Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Allie Martin, On or about Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 21:09:28GMT -0500 (which was 9:09 PM in the tropics where I live) Allie Martin posted: AM> For the spam messages, do you have 'continue processing with other AM> filters' enabled? Some did, some didn't, but it doesn't seem to matter. The actions are the same regardless. I've tried it both ways. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the millenium: "A Puritan is someone who is deathly afraid that someone somewhere is having fun." /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62r hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Coyle306, On or about Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 07:54:46GMT -0400 (which was 6:54 AM in the tropics where I live) Coyle306 posted: C> I have good success putting my spam catcher _after_ filters that C> look for stuff I want to keep and read. The problem is, the (dozens of) [EMAIL PROTECTED] are in groups I want to keep messages from, but yet may contain the trigger phrases by which I determine to dump them. C> In other words, pick off the stuff you want to read _first_, route C> it to the appropriate folders, then run what's left through C> the spam filter(s). The filters ARE working for this mail account, as any of the ones with the "trigger phrases" have gone to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] folder. In the OTHER affected account, it is the _EXACT_ repetitive phrases that get caught, not individual words. I found the [EMAIL PROTECTED] uses hundreds of different addresses, most of them bogus, but yet all 'subscribed' to the list somehow. The other way they get in is by 'spoofing' legitimate list member's addresses. C> If the spam filter is first, this good message would get C>trashed. No legitimate sender would have the EXACT phrases, so this wouldn't happen, but I do check the TRASH folder before deleting messages and compressing the folder. In the affected account, if I see any legitimate messages that get erroneously trapped, I re-filter that folder and they go where they are supposed to be! This is the behavior I can't understand. I just re-filtered the TRASH folder and 75 legitimate messages that HAD been flagged as spam got filtered to the PROPER folders. C> Known filter(s) C> Spam filter(s) C> Unknown filter My arrangement is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters (up to 7 right now, as there is a limit of 25 alternate entries per filter (or so I have been told) and I seem to have confirmed it Known filters Inbox for anything else. This has worked for me as I get a lot of legitimate mail from unknown senders due to my consultancy work, as well as my radio program. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the moment: "In wildness is the preservation of the world." Henry David Thoreau, Walking (1862) /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62r hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Could not connect to the Server" messages using Windows 2000SP3
Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: > Have a look at your network settings, as it sounds like TB is trying > to use settings that do not match your current setup. > > In particular, you need to check the Options|Network and > Administration settings, Network tab, and make sure that TB is set up > to use the correct connection, and whether or not it is enabled to use > the existing connection. I've been through these and tried various alternatives - all work as expected. I also set up another dial up connection to make sure that was OK. > The other alternative is that the server names on for the Account are > incorrect, and are worth checking again. > (Account|Properties|Transport) The account server names are correct. I've tried using the DNS addresses rather than the server names but it makes no difference. I thought the problem might be caused by some of my MSIE connection settings or by some of my other applications (NAV 2003, The Proxomitron, or NearSite). But I disabled all of these but it makes no difference. I've even used the identical account setting on my wife's machine and The Bat! works fine (Windows 98) but for some reason, it's a non-starter on mine. Nigel Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:33 +0300 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tooltips
Hello MAU, On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 you wrote: > I think the option was not to turn tooltips off but to change the style, > to either show them as "normal" tooltips or to show them with big and > "bold" yellow characters IIRC. Original post asked the following : How do you make tooltips appear or not? -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 & SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help needed using the Bat! with screen reader
Greetings, I am a blind computer user who recently re-installed the bat. I say re-installed because when I had last tried The bat, I found that it didn't work well with my screen reader. A lot has changed since then, both with the bat and with the screen reading technology and I'm finding that the Bat is a lot more accessible to blind users like myself. Be that as it may, I'm finding that I still have trouble accessing parts of the program and am hoping that someone on this list might be able to give me a hand. I am subscribed to a number of mailing lists resulting in about 700 Emails daily. I have filtering set up to appropriately filter messages into folders by list and, my thinking was then to further sort those filtered messages into threads. I went under view/view threads by/references standard, but can not tell if messages are actually grouped into threads. In Outlook, threads, or conversations as they like to call them, are shown by a little minus symbol to the left of the message listing. When the thread is expanded, the minus changes to a plus. Anyway, with my screen reader, I am not detecting any sort of symbol when I change to the thread view. How can I tell how many messages are in a thread? Are threads actually colapsed, or does the bat handle them differently than Outlook in that respect? Are there keyboard commands which might assist me with thread navigation? I am having trouble figuring out if a message has been read, replied to, forwarded, remains unread, etc... In outlook, this information is represented with a graphical symbol which I can "label." Labeling is essentially a process whereby I tell the screen reader, when this graphic is seen, say "read" when this graphic is seen, say "unread" etc... Once the screen reader has this information, it will tell me the correct message status. Is there a specifi graphic in the bat which I should enable which would convey this information? Lastly, for now, I have a question about column sizing. I went into column view and saw that I could adjust the size of columns by entering a number i.e. 150 next to subject. What is this number actually referencing? Also, is there a way, not dragging, which I could use to resize columns? Essentially, I need to increase subject and the from fields as they're the ones I don't want to have cut off. Any help which anyone could offer would be much appreciated. I'm sure I'll have more questions as I progress, but I'm very excited about using the bat and think it'll be a great solution for me. -- Best regards, Steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Could not connect to the Server" messages using Windows 2000SP3
Hello Nigel! On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, 12:41 PM, you wrote, about the "Could not connect to server" messages TB! is giving you: N> The account server names are correct. I've tried using the DNS addresses rather N> than the server names but it makes no difference. N> I thought the problem might be caused by some of my MSIE connection settings or N> by some of my other applications (NAV 2003, The Proxomitron, or NearSite). But N> I disabled all of these but it makes no difference. N> I've even used the identical account setting on my wife's machine and The Bat! N> works fine (Windows 98) but for some reason, it's a non-starter on mine. Just in case it might help: I think this may be an operating system weakness rather than a TB! weakness. I get this message rather randomly and as often as several times a day, then sometimes only several times a week. My OS is Win XP Home--that's a system kin to Windows 2000, isn't it? It usually happens after I have had the computer and TB! up and running for several hours. Sometimes just hanging up the modem, waiting about a minute, and then re-dialing will fix it. (I have dial-up networking.) Other times I have shut down and rebooted and the problem has gone away for awhile. Sometimes only the e-mail connection gets an error message. At other times I get an error message from my browser (IE 6) that "the page cannot be displayed" as well--discovered this when I tried to read my mail on my ISP website when I couldn't access it through TB!. This has been going on ever since I got XP Home. At first I thought the problem was actually on the server end. And sometimes, that might be the case. But I've had a different server for about a month, and the same error messages occur at random. I am always able to fix the problem, temporarily, so far, by rebooting. I am most curious about why. But I do suspect the modem-messaging code in the OS. I have a feeling that I just have to live with it! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Could not connect to the Server" messages using Windows 2000SP3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: MB> It usually happens after I have had the computer and TB! up and MB> running for several hours. Sometimes just hanging up the modem, MB> waiting about a minute, and then re-dialing will fix it. (I have MB> dial-up networking.) MB> Other times I have shut down and rebooted and the problem has gone MB> away for awhile. Are you using a firewall? - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPwyg6FfJ62ArBxfiEQJ2tACggCh/oqLbHwO11CGNe9341DEajisAoLlP /24cqC8TvA9Y9v+5I0lAu1Th =nTsC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Failure of address book autocompletion
On Wed 9-Jul-03 3:05am -0400, Robin Anson wrote: > I have auto-completion set to All Addressbooks, and the AB search > finds address book entries in my Rosetta address book group, at least the > ones that don't exhibit the problem. And before you ask, the entries > in the group are not found in any other address book. The setting of auto-completion doesn't appear to matter for the AB search functions. I created an entry for Jax Smith in one of the unused address books - Intermediate CA. I then created a group in that address book and added Jinx Smith to it. Turning auto-completion on for all ABs, Jinx was completed but Jax was not. I turned auto-completion back off. Typing Jax then = did nothing. - found it. Typing Jinx then - did nothing. = found it. Typing J, = cycled through all the entries starting with J except Jax. While cycling through above, I started doing -. It stopped cycling when it reached Jax. When I added another name to the root of Intermediate CA, the behavior changed. Jax was still not found in a forward search, but Jinx and the new name were. Searching backwards, once Jax was found, it cycled between Jax and Jinx. This same strange behavior also occurs in the current Beta. I'm posting this as a bug report. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Could not connect to the Server" messages using Windows 2000SP3
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, July 09, 2003, 6:10 PM, you wrote: A> Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: MB>> It usually happens after I have had the computer and TB! up and MB>> running for several hours. Sometimes just hanging up the modem, MB>> waiting about a minute, and then re-dialing will fix it. (I have MB>> dial-up networking.) MB>> Other times I have shut down and rebooted and the problem has gone MB>> away for awhile. A> Are you using a firewall? Yes. Tiny Personal Firewall. However, when this first began happening, I disabled it. That was the first possible cause that I suspected. When disabling it didn't make any difference, I resumed enabling it just whenever I brought up my browser. But I still see this behavior--quite randomly. However, it happened this morning again, prompting me to describe it to Nigel, in case there was any relation to his problem. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help needed using the Bat! with screen reader
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve M. Sawczyn, [SMS] wrote: SMS> Greetings, I am a blind computer user who recently re-installed the SMS> bat. I say re-installed because when I had last tried The bat, I SMS> found that it didn't work well with my screen reader. A lot has SMS> changed since then, both with the bat and with the screen reading SMS> technology and I'm finding that the Bat is a lot more accessible to SMS> blind users like myself. This is good to know. :) SMS> Be that as it may, I'm finding that I still have trouble accessing SMS> parts of the program and am hoping that someone on this list might SMS> be able to give me a hand. Let's see. I'll give it a shot. SMS> In Outlook, threads, or conversations as they like to call SMS> them, are shown by a little minus symbol to the left of the message SMS> listing. When the thread is expanded, the minus changes to a plus. SMS> Anyway, with my screen reader, I am not detecting any sort of SMS> symbol when I change to the thread view. The symbols are actually there. When threading by references: - A plus sign is in front of a message starting a collapsed thread or sub-thread. - A minus sign is in front of each message within an expanded thread and they're each connected by a line. When the thread by subject: - A plus sign is in front of messages starting collapsed threads. - A minus sign is in front of messages starting an expanded thread. The other messages in the thread are connected by broken lines. It's a bummer that you can't see this. SMS> How can I tell how many messages are in a thread? If you open the column view configuration panel, you'll see columns that can be added. Two of them are 'Total Messages' and 'Unread Messages'. These are included by default in the column settings when in threaded by references view. The 'Total Message' column displays the total number of messages within a thread or subthread. The 'Unread Messages' column displays the total number of unread messages within a thread or sub-thread. SMS> Are threads actually colapsed, or does the bat handle them SMS> differently than Outlook in that respect? Are there keyboard SMS> commands which might assist me with thread navigation? Yes. CTRL-* expands all threads. CTRL-Shift-* collapses all threads. This can take a while to occur in threaded mode when there are a lot of messages in the folder. CTRL-Alt- moves you to the next unread message within a thread. When all unread messages within the thread are read, it will move you to the next unread message in subsequent threads. It does so working downwards in the threaded message list and when it reaches the end of the list, it starts from the beginning again. CTRL-Alt- moves to to the previously unread message in a thread. I hardly use this one. Alt- moves you to the previously read message. Alt- moves you to more recently viewed messages, i.e., the opposite of Alt-Right. This allows you to browse recently read messages, even though they may be scattered among threads. SMS> I am having trouble figuring out if a message has been read, SMS> replied to, forwarded, remains unread, etc... In outlook, this SMS> information is represented with a graphical symbol which I can SMS> "label." TB! does a similar thing. The 'message flags' column displays this graphical symbol, so be sure that this column is enabled in your message list display. When viewing threads by references, it's the second column from the left when using the default column configuration for reference threading view. The graphical symbol changes when the message is read, replied to, forwarded etc. The graphical symbol changes in a way that by looking at it I can tell a message was read, replied to and forwarded. There are separate graphical symbols to show these combinations. SMS> Lastly, for now, I have a question about column sizing. I went SMS> into column view and saw that I could adjust the size of columns by SMS> entering a number i.e. 150 next to subject. What is this number SMS> actually referencing? It references the width of the selected column in pixels. SMS> Also, is there a way, not dragging, which I could use to resize SMS> columns? Yes. When the column configuration panel is open, the list of columns on the right indicates those columns which are actually being used. Select each and then adjust the pixel width that appears. I hope this helps. Be sure to ask if you need further assistance and good luck! - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPwyxY1fJ62ArBxfiEQLh5gCcCL/kRmuM9z/sNdX/MRZQ+1rLqHwAoIk/ Dw+DFQhhWMHJAnP3plpQIlxC =FMzd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tooltips
Hello Richard, >> I think the option was not to turn tooltips off but to change the style, >> to either show them as "normal" tooltips or to show them with big and >> "bold" yellow characters IIRC. > > Original post asked the following : How do you make tooltips appear or > not? You are right, but I did not reply to your original post. I replied to Thomas Fernandez who said: ,- [ ] | I think in an old TB version there was on option to turn them off. But | now they should be turned on default, you're right. `- And I then "corrected" him by saying: ,- [ ] | I think the option was not to turn tooltips off but to change the style, | to either show them as "normal" tooltips or to show them with big and | "bold" yellow characters IIRC. `- That is all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help needed using the Bat! with screen reader
Hi Steve On 9 Jul 2003 18:16:41 (my local time 10 jul 2003 00:16:41), Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: SMS> sort those filtered messages into threads. I went under view/view SMS> threads by/references standard, but can not tell if messages are SMS> actually grouped into threads. Well, there are several clues: - when you press alt+1, or go through the menu, the threaded view is enabled for that folder - when you have threaded view enabled, there are a few ways to notice it: * you will notice a boxed '+' or boxed '-' as the parent messages for threads (those signs may be a graphic, as I couldn't find them in any of my fonts), however: a standalone message wont have either of these symbols * If you still have the default order for columns, you can notice a change in that order: it goes from "message flags, and so on" to "subject" and so on (mind you: only true for switching to non-threaded view to threaded-by-references) SMS> When the thread is expanded, the minus changes to a plus. Anyway, SMS> with my screen reader, I am not detecting any sort of symbol when SMS> I change to the thread view. There's a change from 'boxed +' (which is unexpanded) to 'boxed -' (expanded) in the beginning of the 'subject column' (which is the first column if you thread by referencens) SMS> How can I tell how many messages are in a thread? The total of messages in a thread (or subthread) are in the column 'total'. SMS> Are threads actually colapsed Yes, when you change to a folder, all threads are collapsed. One exception: if the last message you viewed was within a thread, the thread is collapsed up to the level of the message you viewed. All subtrees that are not in the message path will be closed. Expand them all by using control * SMS> I am having trouble figuring out if a message has been read, replied SMS> to, forwarded, remains unread, etc... Is there a specifi graphic SMS> in the bat which I should enable which would convey this SMS> information? Read, Unread, Replied to, Forwarded, etc all use different graphics in the "message flags" column. SMS> Essentially, I need to increase subject and the from fields as SMS> they're the ones I don't want to have cut off. You described the way to do it :-) By increasing the number in the column view, you make the column larger. By changing the order of the columns, you also change the order the columns are presented. SMS> Any help which anyone could offer would be much appreciated. I'm SMS> sure I'll have more questions as I progress, but I'm very excited SMS> about using the bat and think it'll be a great solution for me. Please, feel free to ask, we're here to help... -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zum Antworten bitte Lederhosen entfernen $ grep "beer" /dev/fridge > mouth Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Failure of address book autocompletion
On Thu 10 July 2003, 5:44:30 +1000, Bill McCarthy wrote: > I created an entry for Jax Smith in one of the unused address books - > Intermediate CA. I then created a group in that address book and > added Jinx Smith to it. > > Turning auto-completion on for all ABs, Jinx was completed but Jax was > not. I turned auto-completion back off. > > Typing Jax then = did nothing. - found it. > > Typing Jinx then - did nothing. = found it. Yes! I can confirm that (based on my address book entry that can't be found by AutoComplete today) doing the - does find the entry that AutoComplete doesn't find! That is at least a step forward! Thanks for the detective work. :) > This same strange behavior also occurs in the current Beta. I'm > posting this as a bug report. Thanks Robin -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help needed using the Bat! with screen reader
Hello Allie, Thanks so much for your reply to my post. I'll play around with the labeling feature and see if I can get some of these graphics to speak properly. Being able to see the lines connecting threaded messages must be really interesting -- I've always thought that somehow illustrating the concepts of threads would help people understand how mailing lists function. I'm sure I'll have many questions as I continue my journey with the bat, but for now, I'll go and try to get things working based on your information. Again, thanks for your help. Steve Wednesday, July 9, 2003, 8:20:50 PM, you wrote: AM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- AM> Hash: SHA1 AM> Steve M. Sawczyn, [SMS] wrote: SMS>> Greetings, I am a blind computer user who recently re-installed the SMS>> bat. I say re-installed because when I had last tried The bat, I SMS>> found that it didn't work well with my screen reader. A lot has SMS>> changed since then, both with the bat and with the screen reading SMS>> technology and I'm finding that the Bat is a lot more accessible to SMS>> blind users like myself. AM> This is good to know. :) SMS>> Be that as it may, I'm finding that I still have trouble accessing SMS>> parts of the program and am hoping that someone on this list might SMS>> be able to give me a hand. AM> Let's see. I'll give it a shot. SMS>> In Outlook, threads, or conversations as they like to call SMS>> them, are shown by a little minus symbol to the left of the message SMS>> listing. When the thread is expanded, the minus changes to a plus. SMS>> Anyway, with my screen reader, I am not detecting any sort of SMS>> symbol when I change to the thread view. AM> The symbols are actually there. AM> When threading by references: AM> - A plus sign is in front of a message starting a collapsed thread or AM>sub-thread. AM> - A minus sign is in front of each message within an expanded thread AM>and they're each connected by a line. AM> When the thread by subject: AM> - A plus sign is in front of messages starting collapsed threads. AM> - A minus sign is in front of messages starting an expanded thread. The AM>other messages in the thread are connected by broken lines. AM> It's a bummer that you can't see this. SMS>> How can I tell how many messages are in a thread? AM> If you open the column view configuration panel, you'll see columns that AM> can be added. Two of them are 'Total Messages' and 'Unread Messages'. AM> These are included by default in the column settings when in threaded AM> by references view. AM> The 'Total Message' column displays the total number of messages within AM> a thread or subthread. AM> The 'Unread Messages' column displays the total number of unread AM> messages within a thread or sub-thread. SMS>> Are threads actually colapsed, or does the bat handle them SMS>> differently than Outlook in that respect? Are there keyboard SMS>> commands which might assist me with thread navigation? AM> Yes. AM> CTRL-* expands all threads. AM> CTRL-Shift-* collapses all threads. This can take a while to occur in AM> threaded mode when there are a lot of messages in the folder. AM> CTRL-Alt- moves you to the next unread message within a AM> thread. When all unread messages within the thread are read, it will AM> move you to the next unread message in subsequent threads. It does so AM> working downwards in the threaded message list and when it reaches the AM> end of the list, it starts from the beginning again. AM> CTRL-Alt- moves to to the previously unread message in a AM> thread. I hardly use this one. AM> Alt- moves you to the previously read message. AM> Alt- moves you to more recently viewed messages, i.e., the AM> opposite of Alt-Right. This allows you to browse recently read messages, AM> even though they may be scattered among threads. SMS>> I am having trouble figuring out if a message has been read, SMS>> replied to, forwarded, remains unread, etc... In outlook, this SMS>> information is represented with a graphical symbol which I can SMS>> "label." AM> TB! does a similar thing. The 'message flags' column displays this AM> graphical symbol, so be sure that this column is enabled in your message AM> list display. When viewing threads by references, it's the second column AM> from the left when using the default column configuration for reference AM> threading view. AM> The graphical symbol changes when the message is read, replied to, AM> forwarded etc. The graphical symbol changes in a way that by looking at AM> it I can tell a message was read, replied to and forwarded. There are AM> separate graphical symbols to show these combinations. SMS>> Lastly, for now, I have a question about column sizing. I went SMS>> into column view and saw that I could adjust the size of columns by SMS>> entering a number i.e. 150 next to subject. What is this number SMS>> actually referencing? AM> It references the width of the selected column in pixels. SMS>> Also, is there
Could we sync ?
Dear tbudl, Could we sync the bat address book with tird party software like pumatech intellisync ? I would like to sync with my pda -- Bayu Aji, "It's only short jump. You go firstAAGGGHH!..Hmm . . . we go different way now" Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help needed using the Bat! with screen reader
Hello Roel, THanks for replying to my post, I think I'm starting to get a better handle on how the bat works. Can I arrange the order in which columns are displayed essentially overriding the default thread view? I mean, will doing this cause messages not to be threaded properly? I now have a more basic question about replying -- I notice I have reply and reply to all. Is there an easy way to reply to someone directly rather than to the list? If so, I appologize for not using it. Again, thanks for all your help, Steve Wednesday, July 9, 2003, 8:34:40 PM, you wrote: R> Hi Steve R> On 9 Jul 2003 18:16:41 (my local time 10 jul 2003 00:16:41), Steve M. R> Sawczyn wrote: SMS>> sort those filtered messages into threads. I went under view/view SMS>> threads by/references standard, but can not tell if messages are SMS>> actually grouped into threads. R> Well, there are several clues: R> - when you press alt+1, or go through the menu, the threaded view is R> enabled for that folder R> - when you have threaded view enabled, there are a few ways to notice R> it: R> * you will notice a boxed '+' or boxed '-' as the parent messages R> for threads (those signs may be a graphic, as I couldn't find them R> in any of my fonts), however: a standalone message wont have R> either of these symbols R> * If you still have the default order for columns, you can notice a R> change in that order: it goes from "message flags, and so on" to R> "subject" and so on (mind you: only true for switching to R> non-threaded view to threaded-by-references) SMS>> When the thread is expanded, the minus changes to a plus. Anyway, SMS>> with my screen reader, I am not detecting any sort of symbol when SMS>> I change to the thread view. R> There's a change from 'boxed +' (which is unexpanded) to 'boxed -' R> (expanded) in the beginning of the 'subject column' (which is the R> first column if you thread by referencens) SMS>> How can I tell how many messages are in a thread? R> The total of messages in a thread (or subthread) are in the column R> 'total'. SMS>> Are threads actually colapsed R> Yes, when you change to a folder, all threads are collapsed. R> One exception: if the last message you viewed was within a thread, the R> thread is collapsed up to the level of the message you viewed. All R> subtrees that are not in the message path will be closed. R> Expand them all by using control * SMS>> I am having trouble figuring out if a message has been read, replied SMS>> to, forwarded, remains unread, etc... Is there a specifi graphic SMS>> in the bat which I should enable which would convey this SMS>> information? R> Read, Unread, Replied to, Forwarded, etc all use different graphics in R> the "message flags" column. SMS>> Essentially, I need to increase subject and the from fields as SMS>> they're the ones I don't want to have cut off. R> You described the way to do it :-) R> By increasing the number in the column view, you make the column R> larger. By changing the order of the columns, you also change the R> order the columns are presented. SMS>> Any help which anyone could offer would be much appreciated. I'm SMS>> sure I'll have more questions as I progress, but I'm very excited SMS>> about using the bat and think it'll be a great solution for me. R> Please, feel free to ask, we're here to help... -- Best regards, Stevemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help needed using the Bat! with screen reader
Hello Steve, On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:16:41 -0400 GMT (10/07/03, 05:16 +0700 GMT), Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: > I am subscribed to a number of mailing lists resulting in about 700 > Emails daily. That's a lot! > I went under view/view threads by/references standard, but can not > tell if messages are actually grouped into threads. In Outlook, > threads, or conversations as they like to call them, are shown by a > little minus symbol to the left of the message listing. When the > thread is expanded, the minus changes to a plus. Anyway, with my > screen reader, I am not detecting any sort of symbol when I change > to the thread view. Are you using JAWS? There are some scripts that Thomas Boerrigter wrote for Jaws in combination with The Bat a few years ago. I haven't been on the German Jaws ML for a while, so I don't know whether it's been updated. Anyway, here is the download URL, based on Jaws 3.7 and The Bat! 1.53 (yeah, two years old): http://www.boerrigter.de/thebat.zip HTH. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I come from a small town whose population never changed. Each time a woman got pregnant, someone left town. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tooltips
Hello Miguel, On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 you wrote: > You are right, but I did not reply to your original post. I replied to > Thomas Fernandez who said: Aargh, that's what comes of being away for two days, rushing through the responses too quickly and not getting the threading right in my head. Sorry and should have known that you wouldn't make that sort of mistake anyway ;-) -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 & SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
