Re: Subject Flag

[ken green]

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> As for Swen.A - every one of those messages sits in my quarantine
> folder, having been easily identified by my AVG plug-in.


Do you also get the pop-up window each time the virus is identified and
quarantined? I have the AVG plug-in too, but am using v1.62r and the
free edition of AVG.  Can you disable this in other versions?

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Edgar]

Hello Elaine,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 3:51:44 AM, you wrote:

>> Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to
>> leave a folder to look at something else, then return and
>> pick up where I left off.

> I like the option as well, but I compact every night before
> signing off.  Alas, my place is lost when I open up the next
> day.

I compress the folders but it does not lose his focus.

BTW your "-- " is missing.
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Re: Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:55:33 -0400 GMT (24/09/2003, 03:55 +0700 GMT),
David R. Austen wrote:

PG>> With this option, no matter how hard you try the mail goes
PG>> nowhere until you 'unpark' it.

> Yes, that works just fine. Thanks very much, Patrick. I noticed
> earlier that it also stops me from deleting mail in the Outbox, but
> I didn't twig.

This has been changed in v2. You can now delete those messages, but TB
will ask you first ("are you sure").

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Re[2]: Adding a memo to message

[Jim D]

On 9/23/2003, in  ken green
said:

> If it's just a preference thing - OK, I'll shut up.

Yes, I think it's a preference thing.  :)


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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:42:16 -0500 GMT (24/09/2003, 05:42 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

> I'm just looking for an easy way to do this with less work.

By now I am of the opinion that the ISP should delete Swen
server-side. They should have an interest in eradicating it, as it is
costing them a lot of bandwidth and therefore money, it annoys the
users, and enough users might click on them and spread it further.

Two of my ISPs have now started using Interscan VirusWall (I am sure
there are other products) and I merely get a message saying:

> Receiver, InterScan has detected virus(es) in the e-mail attachment.
> 
> Date:   Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:49:49 +0800
> Method: Mail
> From:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Inet User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> File:   fvxry.exe
> Action: deleted
> Virus:  WORM_SWEN.A 

I like that. I can also easily filter these messages into trash and
mark them read, so I don't even know any more whether Swen is still
coming in.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

Urban wrote:
> For some inspiration/ideas, you could do a deja [1] message posted to
> alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent by Alex Regh on 23 Sep 2003. The
> subject is "Filters to catch swen??" and the message-id
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you.  I found it very quickly.

By the way, to use the Google method of searching just click the
'Groups' tab in the Google toolbar.

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[ken green]

Urban wrote:
> Try right-clicking on the memo window. Don't know if 1.6x has it, but I
> just disovered that the v2-memo has an "always on top"-option.


Thanks for the tip - didn't notice the right-click option before.
Unfortunately, the option is system-wide and not TB-specific.  What that
means is that if I set up the memo window to reside in the right side of
the preview screen (a logical place for it), as soon as I click on the
message the memo window loses focus and disappears!!

That doesn't make sense.

Are there are any plans to allow the memo window to be docked? That
would solve these issues.  If the memo window could be docked on the
preview window screen, then the ability to change the subject line would
almost become a moot point.

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[ken green]

Jim D wrote:
> Here are some messages that might help clear it up.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg45077.html
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg45122.html


Neither of those posts address the issue I was bringing up.  That issue
was/is:

Are we talking about taking the time (an extra step) to put an
exclamation at the beginning of every memo, just so that the column
width can be set to 7?

My point was that you can set the column width to 7 and still see
*something* (an indicator that the message has a memo).  Of course, if
you want to see the entire first letter of the first word in the memo,
you may have to push the column width to 11 or 12.

So my question is this: Are people really taking that extra step to
insert ! before each memo so that they can save screen real estate?

I thought that the point was to have a memo presence indicator. By
skipping the step of inserting that ! and just typing the memo, you can
still have an indicator.

And still set the column width to 7.

Again  am I missing something?  Is this part of an organization
system?  I'm curious.

If it's just a preference thing - OK, I'll shut up. But I was asking if
the exclamation point was part of something else (special filter, search
criteria, etc.) I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea
as it has been explained so far.

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[Chris]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 7:59:26 PM, Urban wrote in the
message "Adding a memo to message"
:

>> but the Memo window REMAINS OPEN EVEN WHEN TB IS MINIMIZED!

> Try right-clicking on the memo window. Don't know if 1.6x has it, but I
> just disovered that the v2-memo has an "always on top"-option.

1.62r has the "Always on top" option.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Urban]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, ken green wrote:

> Joseph, would mind sending me your filters/kill file that you're using
> for the MS Network Security Update messages?  I can send you what I
> have if you want - maybe together we can get all variations.

For some inspiration/ideas, you could do a deja [1] message posted to
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent by Alex Regh on 23 Sep 2003.
The subject is "Filters to catch swen??" and the message-id
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Footnotes:
==

[1] I keep forgetting the google-adress, so I use the older
http://www.deja.com

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[Urban]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, ken green wrote:

> but the Memo window REMAINS OPEN EVEN WHEN TB IS MINIMIZED!

Try right-clicking on the memo window. Don't know if 1.6x has it, but I
just disovered that the v2-memo has an "always on top"-option.

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello ken,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 you wrote in 

> Ugh!  Maybe this isn't the case with v2, but I tried doing what you
> suggested (good idea, by the way), but the Memo window REMAINS OPEN EVEN
> WHEN TB IS MINIMIZED!  So if I switch away from TB to another program,
> there's the Memo box hanging there in front of another app.

> I assume this isn't the case with v2.

'Fraid it is ;-(

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Paddy,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 you wrote in 

>> Another useful item but I'd prefer to have Memo in the columns because
>> it shows all the messages with memos straight away

> To save space in the message list columns, I start each memo with an
> "!", which allows me to easily see which messages have memos without
> using precious column width. I have my memo column set to "7".

Nice one. I had my memo column to 40 but 7 with a "!" is a very good
solution. thanks.

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Re[2]: Adding a memo to message

[Jim D]

On 9/23/2003, in  ken green
said:
  
> Paddy L wrote:
>> To save space in the message list columns, I start each memo with an
>> "!", which allows me to easily see which messages have memos without
>> using precious column width. I have my memo column set to "7"


> I'm confused.  Are you saying that you start each memo with "!" to save
> space - as opposed to just starting the memo?  Wouldn't any memo have a
> regular character in it, so that you could easily see what messages have
> a memo or not if the column was one character width.

> Am I missing something?  Surely you're not talking about using "!" just
> to save space over "M" for instance???

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http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg45077.html
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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[ETM]

>> That's funny.  I *LIKE* returning to the last message
>> viewed.

> Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to
> leave a folder to look at something else, then return and
> pick up where I left off.

I like the option as well, but I compact every night before
signing off.  Alas, my place is lost when I open up the next
day.

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Re: Change of address

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo myob,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:19:12 +0100GMT (24-9-03, 0:19 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

m> So: what's the easiest way to change the address to which my copy
m> of this list is sent, please?

Unsubscribe with your current address
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and subscribe with your new address
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Changing received mail subject

[Robin Anson]

On Sun 21 September 2003, 22:31:12 +1000, Roelof Otten wrote:
> Another way would be: exporting the message as .msg, editing the
> exported message with a text editor, importing the message in TB's
> message and deleting the original message. This is somewhat
> cumbersome, but it keeps all headers. However the received time and
> date will be the time the message is imported back into TB and not
> the original received time.

However, if you export it in a Unix mailbox format you do keep the
original received date/time.

The following filter exports a highlighted message, opens it in my
favourite editor (ultraedit) and when the editor is closed, reimports
it into the inbox of the original account. The hotkey Ctrl+Alt+Shift+E
triggers the filter.

It requires a batch file (also listed below) to work.

Modify this by putting in the path to your editor in the batch file,
replacing "d:\batch\editmsg.bat" with the path to your batch file
and replacing the word "personal" in the filter line
>"ExtCmd: d:\batch\editmsg.bat personal"
with the name of your account. I have the same filter in multiple
accounts and just change that parameter in each to suit.

,- [ Revise message filter ]
| BeginFilter
| Name: Revise Message
| Active: 1
| Source: \\Personal\Inbox
| Target: \\Personal\Trash
| CopyFolder: none
| MainSet: 00
| Actions: 
faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoRunDetached,faoManualOnly,faoWaitCompletion,faoHotKey,faoHKCheckMsg,faoSaveUnix,faoHotKeyOnly
| AddGroups: 
| DelGroups: 
| ForwardTemplate: 
| ConfirmTemplate: 
| ReplyTemplate: 
| FwdAddr: 
| RedirectAddr: 
| NewAddr: 
| NewTemplate: 
| ExtCmd: d:\batch\editmsg.bat personal
| ExtFile: e:\temp\edit.txt
| ExtractDir: 
| ColourGroup: 
| AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
| DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
| HotKey: 57413
| IsOfColour: 
| SizeBigger: 0
| SizeSmaller: 0
| AgeOlder: 0
| AgeNewer: 0
| InAddrPos: 0
| OutAddrPos: 0
| InAddrGroups: 
| NoAddrGroups: 
| KillFile: 
| KillMethod: 0
| SaveTemplate: 
| SndFile: 
| SysSound: 0
| SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
| AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
| EndFilter
| 

`-

,- [ editmsg.bat ]
| "D:\Program Files\UltraEdit\UEDIT32.EXE" e:\temp\edit.txt
| d:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe /importu=%1;f="Inbox";X;R;IN=e:\temp\edit.txt
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Re[2]: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Michael Thompson]

Hello ken,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, at 17:42:16 [GMT -0500] (which was 23:42 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




kg> Roelof Otten wrote:
JN>>> Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work?
JN>>> MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'

>> Because of the single quotation marks.



kg> I thought that Selective Download did not allow "special syntax" (this
kg> is the help file wording).  I can use pipe characters in selective
kg> download?!?! Wow.

You can use regular expressions. So | would be an or statement and ^
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Re[2]: Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[David R. Austen]

Hello, Martin:

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 4:06:48 PM, you wrote:

(snip)
MW> Use "Confirm immediate sending" in account properties.
You(s MW> click MW> Send and then confirm... hows that? I guess this
only works if MW> Delivery is set to immediate.

Hmm. I do have it set to Immediate but that Confirm device has not
been working. I wonder why not.

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 5:42:05 PM, ken green wrote:

kg> That's funny.  I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed.

So do I, but that's not what happens in the circumstances we've been
discussing, & I think that's the issue for Ken too. Usually, when you
exit a folder & then go back into it, the focus remains on the last
message viewed. But if you change the view (ie go to view unread only) &
then return, the focus goes to the top message in the message-list. The
same happens when you purge all folders - the focus is re-set, for every
folder, to the top message in the list.

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Re[2]: Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[David R. Austen]

Hello, Martin:

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 4:06:48 PM, you wrote:

MW> Use "Confirm immediate sending" in account properties. You click
MW> Send and then confirm... hows that? I guess this only works if
MW> Delivery is set to immediate.

Yes, I do get that that dialog box asking me if I want to send, but
it's almost as if there is also a way to override this safety switch.

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Dave Goodman]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, ken green wrote:

>> ... if you read a mail, close the folder and open the folder later
>> (and in the meantime messages were placed into the folder), the mail
>> highlighted is not the bottom one (newest) but the one you read last.
>> I would like that to be the last mail (newest).

> That's funny.  I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed.

Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to leave a folder
to look at something else, then return and pick up where I left off.

I would be *very* sorry to see that changed.

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Re[2]: Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[David R. Austen]

Hello, Patrick:

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 4:08:53 PM, you wrote:

(snip)

PG> With  this option, no matter how hard you try the mail goes
PG> nowhere until  you 'unpark' it.

Yes, that works just fine. Thanks very much, Patrick. I noticed
earlier that it also stops me from deleting mail in the Outbox, but I
didn't twig.


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Re: Adding a memo to message

[ken green]

Martin Webster wrote:
> I quite like Miguel's suggestion. I've selected Memo Auto-view and
> placed the floating window on the right hand side of the preview pane.
> Most messages wrap nicely at around 70 characters so there's plenty of
> room.


Ugh!  Maybe this isn't the case with v2, but I tried doing what you
suggested (good idea, by the way), but the Memo window REMAINS OPEN EVEN
WHEN TB IS MINIMIZED!  So if I switch away from TB to another program,
there's the Memo box hanging there in front of another app.

I assume this isn't the case with v2.

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[ken green]

Paddy L wrote:
> To save space in the message list columns, I start each memo with an
> "!", which allows me to easily see which messages have memos without
> using precious column width. I have my memo column set to "7"


I'm confused.  Are you saying that you start each memo with "!" to save
space - as opposed to just starting the memo?  Wouldn't any memo have a
regular character in it, so that you could easily see what messages have
a memo or not if the column was one character width.

Am I missing something?  Surely you're not talking about using "!" just
to save space over "M" for instance???

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

Roelof Otten wrote:
JN>> Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work?
JN>> MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'

> Because of the single quotation marks.



I thought that Selective Download did not allow "special syntax" (this
is the help file wording).  I can use pipe characters in selective
download?!?! Wow.

Also (to Joseph N.) - I am currently dealing with the same virus e-mails
you are filtering for.  Problem is, every time I think I got a domain
and/or subject line variation in my spamkill text file, another variant
shows up.

This would be simple if I could use a regular filter in Selective
Download: these are all coming to only one of my accounts. A simple to
not download a message with attachment would work in this case.

But the AVG plug-in keeps me from using a regular filter for this.  I
realize that's a good thing - AVG is jumping in first and finding the
virus.  But it's getting annoying getting the virus warning message 5-6
times a day.  Actually, as I've been updating my kill file, that number
is growing smaller.

I'm just looking for an easy way to do this with less work.

Joseph, would mind sending me your filters/kill file that you're using
for the MS Network Security Update messages?  I can send you what I have
if you want - maybe together we can get all variations.

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Change of address

[myob]

Hello list,

  The account I use for this list is also the one that is
  currently being plagued most by virus spam.  I'd use the
  message dispatcher, but there are so many TBUDL messages
  that I'm afraid I'd accidentally delete some of them too.

  So: what's the easiest way to change the address to which
  my copy of this list is sent, please?


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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[ken green]

Edgar wrote:
> I also have the messages sorted ascending and the only thing that I
> noticed was that if you read a mail, close the folder and open the
> folder later (and in the meantime messages were placed into the
> folder), the mail highlighted is not the bottom one (newest) but the
> one you read last. I would like that to be the last mail (newest).


That's funny.  I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed.

I think we have uncovered (yet another) one of those issues that
developers must cringe upon reading... ;)

This seems like one of those issues that development either decides one
way or another arbitrarily, or provides the functionality for the user
to choose in Preferences.

Unfortunately, the latter very often requires a lot more time and effort
than end users can imagine

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[ken green]

rich gregory wrote:
> That's funny...  I finally decided that TB likes OLDEST mssgs at the top!  When in 
> preview mode with focus in the message list hit delete. 
> Focus moves DOWN (to the next newsest message).


Right.  That's one of the reasons I like date asc order (new at bottom)
- especially with mailing lists.

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Re: groups and multiple addressbook questions

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Steve,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:58:01 -0400GMT (23-9-03, 20:58 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SMS> Yes, but if you don't see them in the root, how can you modify their groups?  For
SMS> example, let's say I have a contact, I assign it to a group.  THen, later, I make
SMS> another group to which I also want to assign the contact.  Since the contact 
isn't in
SMS> the root, how can I do this?  Can I modify the properties from within the first 
group
SMS> to which the contact was assigned?

You've got it. You select the contact in (one of) the group(s) he's
present. Then you pick the contact's properties and select all groups
you want him listed.

SMS> Also, if a contact's Email address changes, can I modify it in
SMS> one place and have it take effect for all groups to which that
SMS> contact is assigned?

That's the advantage of having your contacts in one address book.
Changing a property (name, e-mail address, private number) will have
effect in all groups. Of course this supposes that you've got each
contact only once in your AB. (If not you're going to get bad effects
when you're using AB-templates for such an address.)
When you're using multiple address books, you'll need to change the
properties in each AB to keep everything up to date.

SMS> So, so, so much to learn.

Ask and you will be answered. ;-)

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Joseph,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:21:13 -0500GMT (23-9-03, 21:21 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

JN> Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work?

JN> MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'

Because of the single quotation marks.

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Re: Connection Centre

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dean,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:49:25 -0500GMT (23-9-03, 22:49 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

D>   Is there anyway to bring this forward or on top of TheBat program?

 Options -> Preferences -> General -> Display Connection Centre: Automatically

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Connection Centre

[Dean]

Hello,

  I use the F2 key to download mail.  In previous version the
  connection center would be visible. Now I have an icon on the tray
  saying Connection Center, and have to click it in order to see what
  is being downloaded.

  Is there anyway to bring this forward or on top of TheBat program?

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Re: Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[P Graham]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:47:36 -0400, David R. Austen wrote
> 
> My busy fingers (OK, clumsy) are occasionally responsible for 
> messages in Outbox being sent before they are ready. Yikes!
> 
> Is there some safeguard that will help me prevent this accidental
> posting? Perhaps I am hitting a shortcut.

Not at home so TheBat! isn't right in front of me, but I believe what you 
want is the outbox equivelant of 'parking' a message. It should be one of the 
buttons right next to the send button in the message editing window. With 
this option, no matter how hard you try the mail goes nowhere until 
you 'unpark' it.

HTH,

Patrick G.

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Re: Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[Martin Webster]

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Hello David,

On 23 September 2003, 14:47 -0400 (19:47 local time) David R. Austen [DRA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DRA> My busy fingers (OK, clumsy) are occasionally responsible for messages
DRA> in Outbox being sent before they are ready. Yikes!

DRA> Is there some safeguard that will help me prevent this accidental
DRA> posting? Perhaps I am hitting a shortcut.

DRA> (For now, I keep them temporarily addressed to only me, to avoid
DRA> embarrassment. But that wastes time.)

Use "Confirm immediate sending" in account properties. You click Send
and then confirm... hows that? I guess this only works if Delivery is
set to immediate.


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Messages in Outbox sent by accident

[David R. Austen]

Greetings,

My busy fingers (OK, clumsy) are occasionally responsible for messages
in Outbox being sent before they are ready. Yikes!

Is there some safeguard that will help me prevent this accidental
posting? Perhaps I am hitting a shortcut.

(For now, I keep them temporarily addressed to only me, to avoid
embarrassment. But that wastes time.)


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Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Joseph N.]

Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work? It
seems to be constructed according to the help file, but it is
ineffective. The following single-word lines are effective, however.

MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'
MainSet: microsoft
MainSet: Internet
MainSet: critical
MainSet: update
MainSet: Inet
MainSet: MS
MainSet: patch

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Re[2]: groups and multiple addressbook questions

[Steve M. Sawczyn]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:31:35 PM, you wrote:

SMS>> Consequencially, I have multiple addressbooks consisting of
SMS>> personal contacts, vendors, co-workers, etc...

RO> I wouldn't know why that should be a consequence. Why not use one
RO> address book for everyone, just with different groups.

Well, honestly, I hadn't thought of it.  I guess my thinking was to break it down to 
make people easy to find, but that's probably what groups are for.  I'll definitely 
have to think about merging the books.

SMS>> I then consulted the trusty help file, however, the only
SMS>> suggestion I could find was to hold ctrl anddrag/drop contacts
SMS>> into my new group. Problem is that I'm not using a mouse, so am
SMS>> unable to drag/drop from the keyboard. Any ideas how I might get
SMS>> these other contacts into my group?

RO> In the address book menu:
RO>  File -> Import from -> The Bat! Address Book
RO> I don't know whether you can select the addresses you intend to
RO> import, if that's not possible, you can select the addresses you want
RO> to move, export them to ldif and afterwards import them from ldif into
RO> the destination AB.

OK, I've thought about it and you're right, combining the addressbooks is probably the 
way to go.

SMS>> On a slightly different note, why would anyone want to hide
SMS>> members of a group -- I mean, why wouldn't you want the contact
SMS>> to appear outside a group in its original location?

RO> Suppose you've got 2000 entries in your AB. That would make a mighty
RO> clutter when you'd see every listing in the root.

Yes, but if you don't see them in the root, how can you modify their groups?  For 
example, let's say I have a contact, I assign it to a group.  THen, later, I make 
another group to which I also want to assign the contact.  Since the contact isn't in 
the root, how can I do this?  Can I modify the properties from within the first group 
to which the contact was assigned?  Also, if a contact's Email address changes, can I 
modify it in one place and have it take effect for all groups to which that contact is 
assigned?  So, so, so much to learn.

Again, thanks for your help.

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Re: test

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:49:59 +0100GMT (23-9-03, 16:49 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MT> Received: from gundel.de.clara.net (gundel.de.clara.net [212.82.225.86])
MT>   by krakeel.org with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.3.1.1415) id KRKLDFF97CCA
MT>   for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:29:05 +0200
MT> Received: from stromgrade.its-toasted.org ([62.80.28.28] 
helo=draenor.its-toasted.org)
MT> by gundel.de.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
MT> id 1A1p4j-000IJE-4p; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:27:37 +0200
MT> Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.185])
MT> by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
MT> id 1A1oVG-0007Sn-00
MT> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:50:58 +0200
MT> Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de)
MT> by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1)
MT> id 1A1oUK-00045E-00
MT> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:50:00 +0200
MT> Received: from [81.174.224.70] (helo=BETELGEUSE)
MT> by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1)
MT> id 1A1oUK-0003Nm-00
MT> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:50:00 +0200


The message got stuck between draenor.its-toasted.org and
gundel.de.clara.net for over half an hour.

MT>   test

Ah! Must've been your testing. ;-)

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Re: groups and multiple addressbook questions

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Steve,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:17:29 -0400GMT (23-9-03, 17:17 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SMS> Well, I've taken the plunge and am now using TB for work. 

Good for you. ;-)

SMS> Consequencially, I have multiple addressbooks consisting of
SMS> personal contacts, vendors, co-workers, etc...

I wouldn't know why that should be a consequence. Why not use one
address book for everyone, just with different groups.

SMS> Recently, I established a new group intending to add members from
SMS> multiple addressbooks. As the new group was in my co-workers
SMS> book, adding co-workers was very easy -- properties of each
SMS> contact, select group and check my new group. When I tried this
SMS> with contacts in the other addressbooks, however, my new group
SMS> didn't appear on the list of possible groups from which I could
SMS> select.

That's one reason for keeping everybody in the same AB. 

SMS> I then consulted the trusty help file, however, the only
SMS> suggestion I could find was to hold ctrl anddrag/drop contacts
SMS> into my new group. Problem is that I'm not using a mouse, so am
SMS> unable to drag/drop from the keyboard. Any ideas how I might get
SMS> these other contacts into my group?

In the address book menu:
 File -> Import from -> The Bat! Address Book
I don't know whether you can select the addresses you intend to
import, if that's not possible, you can select the addresses you want
to move, export them to ldif and afterwards import them from ldif into
the destination AB.

SMS> On a slightly different note, why would anyone want to hide
SMS> members of a group -- I mean, why wouldn't you want the contact
SMS> to appear outside a group in its original location?

Suppose you've got 2000 entries in your AB. That would make a mighty
clutter when you'd see every listing in the root.

Especially now that you've seen that maintaining multiple AB's can be
a nuisance.

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Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 12:31:57 PM, MAU wrote:
M> You owe me a beer ;-)

Anytime! Next time you're in Atlanta, give me a holler and your
preference of dark or light is on me. :)

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[Paddy L]

Hello Richard Wakeford,

On Monday, September 22, 2003 at 16:21:15, you wrote:

> Another useful item but I'd prefer to have Memo in the columns because
> it shows all the messages with memos straight away

To save space in the message list columns, I start each memo with an
"!", which allows me to easily see which messages have memos without
using precious column width. I have my memo column set to "7".

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Re: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[MAU]

Hello Dave,

> Good suggestion!  I've already implemented it.

If you have been around this list for at least a couple of weeks, you
probably know what saying something like that means:

You owe me a beer ;-)

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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[ETM]

> knowing that email can be blocked because of it certainly
> can't help sales. The Bat! is powerful enough to do many
> things, having to run a utility like Xray to ensure your
> mail gets through, seems an unnecessary burden on the user.

A very hearty Amen!

And it certainly does not enhance The Bat!'s reputation when
I have to switch periodically to Outlook Express to reach a
subscriber to my mailing list.

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Re: Templates

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maurice,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:47:42 +0200 GMT (23/09/2003, 21:47 +0700 GMT),
Maurice Snellen wrote:

TF>> Not from the vCard.

> Quite some time ago I added a wishlist item for this to the
> bugtracker:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001250

I have just seconded the wish.

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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:33:01 +0100 GMT (23/09/2003, 17:33 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> So, once more - with feeling:

> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html

Works well, thanks. :-)

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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Mark,

On Sep 23, 2003, 16:03 +0100 (11:03 AM local time), Mark L [ML] wrote
in :

ML> I also tried using the SETHEADER/ADDHEADER macros in TB since I
ML> used them to set an X-PGP-Request header but they didn't work for
ML> X-Mailer.

Perhaps the capability to modify the X-Mailer header should be added.
Its unfortunate that some poorly implemented spam software has
erroneously categorized The Bat! I can understand how RIT is proud of
their product and would prefer to have it announced in the header, but
knowing that email can be blocked because of it certainly can't help
sales. The Bat! is powerful enough to do many things, having to run a
utility like Xray to ensure your mail gets through, seems an
unnecessary burden on the user.

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groups and multiple addressbook questions

[Steve M. Sawczyn]

Hi all,

Well, I've taken the plunge and am now using TB for work.  Consequencially, I have 
multiple addressbooks consisting of personal contacts, vendors, co-workers, etc...  
Recently, I established a new group intending to add members from multiple 
addressbooks.  As the new group was in my co-workers book, adding co-workers was very 
easy -- properties of each contact, select group and check my new group.  When I tried 
this with contacts in the other addressbooks, however, my new group didn't appear on 
the list of possible groups from which I could select.  I then consulted the trusty 
help file, however, the only suggestion I could find was to hold ctrl anddrag/drop 
contacts into my new group.  Problem is that I'm not using a mouse, so am unable to 
drag/drop from the keyboard.  Any ideas how I might get these other contacts into my 
group?

On a slightly different note, why would anyone want to hide members of a group -- I 
mean, why wouldn't you want the contact to appear outside a group in its original 
location?

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Re[2]: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[Mark L]

Hello Elaine,

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:42:25 PM, you wrote:


E> I have about given up.  I cannot make Xray take out the
E> miserable x-mailer header.  For the one subscriber on my
E> mailing list I have set up Outlook Express and will use that

I tried this with X-Ray and it works OK:
1.Go to filters tab.
2.Right click in grid and select 'Add'.
3.What type of filter = 'SMTP'
4. What action = 'Replace value of existing'
5. Click 'Next'
6.What header to replace = 'X-Mailer' from drop down combo.
7.What value? text box = NoParticularValue (Unquoted). Leave check boxes
empty.
8.Click Next|Next|Finish

I also tried using the SETHEADER/ADDHEADER macros in TB since I used
them to set an X-PGP-Request header but they didn't work for X-Mailer.
They only seem to work on headers that have the 'Editor' = 'Yes' option
set for the header in the main Options|Preferences|Message headers
dialog.

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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Gerard,

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:22:32 AM, you wrote:
E>> 
E>> Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information:
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G> I have attached my x-ray filter for changing the TB! X-mailer
G> header. You should be able to import it into X-Ray



This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to
the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated
this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gerard.

Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original
text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to
specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't
necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last
comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has
been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the
quoted text, and/or the PGP signature.

We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to
view the entire thread contents.

Thank you.






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Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:59:22 AM, MAU wrote:
>> How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
>> defaulting to the account-level templates?

M> There is no direct and easy way to tell 

M> I have used the %ACCOUNT macro with the account name (i.e.
M> %ACCOUNT="MAU", which is not at all needed). This tells me it
M> is a default template 

Good suggestion!  I've already implemented it.

Thanks!

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test

[Michael Thompson]

Hello tbudl,

  test



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Re: Hiding standart folders (while using MyGate NEWS gate)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Maurice,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:22:01 +0200GMT (23-9-03, 15:22 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

AAG>> Is it possibly to hide Inbox, Outbox, Trash, Inbox_Known, Sent Mail ?
MS> Of these, you will only be able to get rid of 'Inbox - Known'. Before
MS> removing it though, you'll need to change the '' filter to send
MS> mails matching it to the regular Inbox. Then you can delete 'Inbox -
MS> Known' and it will stay away too.

It will suffice to disable the  filter, no need to set the
target to the Inbox. After all the processed messages are in the
Inbox, aren't they?

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Re: Templates

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 11:13 (which was Sunday, September
21, 2003 at 6:13 where I am) Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:

TF> Not from the vCard.

Quite some time ago I added a wishlist item for this to the
bugtracker:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001250

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Re: bug: in-reply-to not recognized

[Maurice Snellen]

On Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 01:33 Roelof Otten [RO] wrote:

RO> Something with bagend.shire as domain can't be correct, since
RO> there are no tld's containing more than four letters.

That is no longer so. There is now a tld called .museum

> dig -t NS museum.

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> -t museum. 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUERY SECTION:
;;  museum, type = NS, class = IN

;; ANSWER SECTION:
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  ns1.getty.edu.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  ns-ext.vix.com.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  ns.icann.org.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  nic.icom.org.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  nic.museum.

;; Total query time: 4 msec
;; FROM: vortex.anwb.nl to SERVER: default -- 193.172.132.10
;; WHEN: Tue Sep 23 16:04:54 2003
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 24  rcvd: 146

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Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:03:15 AM, Roelof wrote:
R> That's because when you don't define folder templates, you
R> still see them, but they're identical to your account
R> templates.

Right.  Which begs my main question:

How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
defaulting to the account-level templates?

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Re: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[MAU]

Hello Dave,

> How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
> defaulting to the account-level templates?

There is no direct and easy way to tell, specially if the templates are
similar and I think TB should somehow indicate this in the folder
Properties.

Contrary to the recommendations some TBUDL members, because of the risks
involved in using them, I do use folder templates quite a bit and what I
have done is to include some "redundant and transparent" information in
my default account templates. In some accounts, like in the one I'm
using now, I have used the %ACCOUNT macro with the account name (i.e.
%ACCOUNT="MAU", which is not at all needed). This tells me it is a
default template even though I may see it when looking at some folder
Properties.

I have also used this in some other accounts:
%BCC="This is a Default template"%BCC=""
But you can use other macros like COMMENT:
%COMMENT="This is default"%COMMENT=""

HTH

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thebat.exe 100% CPU usage ... please help!

[David Boggon]

thebat.exe has been using close to 100% CPU for a few days now.

I have no idea how to go about remedying this. Have tried going to
v2.00.6 from v2.00 and there has been no change.

This is also on the back of one of my accounts suddenly refusing to
create messages a few days ago (the command causing the bat to hang and 100% CPU
usage). The account issue has been resolved by starting the account
from scratch.

I would be grateful for advice. v2.00 was behaving just fine for a few
weeks, then this.

Should I try re-installing?

... or go back to v1.62?

-- 

David Boggon

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[ETM]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, you wrote

> Hello Peter,

> Monday, September 22, 2003, 8:21:05 PM, you wrote: )

> I've not been able to get them to work with the X-Mailer header.

PM>> You can do this with X-ray too. And it doesn't PM>>
interfere with K9 because PM>> it is related to outgoing
(SMTP) traffic, whereas K9 observes the PM>> incoming (POP3)
route. :-)

I have about given up.  I cannot make Xray take out the
miserable x-mailer header.  For the one subscriber on my
mailing list I have set up Outlook Express and will use that
if I have to reach her.  This whole thing is more than I
want to deal with.  I hope Max Terentiev's personal
financial accounts are emptied by someone who doesn't own a
computer and does it all by fountain pen while Max Terentiev
is sending out computerized spam containing phony Bat
headers.

Elaine





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Re: Hiding standart folders (while using MyGate NEWS gate)

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 12:22 (which was Tuesday, September
16, 2003 at 8:22 where I am) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:

AAG> Is it possibly to hide Inbox, Outbox, Trash, Inbox_Known, Sent Mail ?

Of these, you will only be able to get rid of 'Inbox - Known'. Before
removing it though, you'll need to change the '' filter to send
mails matching it to the regular Inbox. Then you can delete 'Inbox -
Known' and it will stay away too.

-- 
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Maurice

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Re: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dave,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:28:00 -0400GMT (23-9-03, 13:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

DK> What surprised me is I couldn't tell the difference between the
DK> folder templates for the rest of my folders, including TBOT, and
DK> the account-level templates.

That's because when you don't define folder templates, you still see
them, but they're identical to your account templates. They stay the
same with every change of your account templates until you edit the
folder template.

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:18:58 AM, ken green wrote:

kg> I claim TB prefers descending (new mail at the top), because after
kg> clearing a Quick Filter (Alt + select: name, subject, etc.) by
kg> pressing Ctrl+=, the focus returns to the top of the list. Not a
kg> huge deal, but if that's your oldest message, there is an extra step
kg> to scroll down to the bottom.

kg> This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to
kg> the bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior
kg> bothered anyone else, or caused someone switch their sorting method.
kg> Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom!

No, you're not. I also sort by date/time of creation, & have the newest
emails at the bottom. After purging folders, the focus is placed on the
topmost email too. As you say, it's not a big deal to press End, though
it's more of a big deal if you have 40 new messages in the folder and
have to press End & then page-up to get to the earliest new message,
iyswim. Though in putting this into words, it has (finally) occurred to
me that I could use Ctrl-Alt-Right 

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Mary Bull]

Hello Ken!

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:18 AM, you wrote, in part:

k> Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom!

You're not alone--I do that, too. And, even more eccentric, I often
have View set at None, so that I'm reading the messages
chronologically, rather than by thread. :)

-- 
Best regards,
Mary

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Re[2]: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[Mark L]

Hello Peter,

Monday, September 22, 2003, 8:21:05 PM, you wrote:

PM> Hi ETM,

PM> on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:44:51 -0400GMT (22.09.03, 20:44 +0200GMT here),
PM> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>>> I still use X-ray for it (www.xrayapp.com), but there is a way now in
>>> The Bat! herself to edit some X-headers. I haven't yet looked for those
>>> myself. :-)

I've not been able to get them to work with the X-Mailer header.

PM> You can do this with X-ray too. And it doesn't interfere with K9 because
PM> it is related to outgoing (SMTP) traffic, whereas K9 observes the
PM> incoming (POP3) route. :-)

I was using X-Ray but I've had trouble with signing messages with
attachments. X-Ray seemed to manglethe message and I ended up with bad
signatures. Anyone else noticed this or is it just me?


-- 
Best regards,

 Mark

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Dave Kennedy]

How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
defaulting to the account-level templates?

Details... In cleaning up my TBUDL & TBOT templates, I was
checking the folder templates for each. Before I learned about AB
templates, I had set up folder templates for TBUDL, so I expected
to find something there and did.

What surprised me is I couldn't tell the difference between the
folder templates for the rest of my folders, including TBOT, and
the account-level templates.

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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Jurgen,

@23-Sep-2003, 08:00 +0200 (07:00 UK time) Jurgen Haug [JH] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Thomas:

>>> See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammers.html

>> And why oh why do I get a 404?

JH> because it's spammer.html and not spammerS.html ;-)

D'oh! It is that. Sorry to all for that typo.

So, once more - with feeling:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html

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Re[2]: bug: in-reply-to not recognized

[daniel hahler]

on Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:04:57 -0400 Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

dh>> now that I have made the post to php-general I must recognize, that
dh>> thebat does not thread my message correctly. It was a reply to the
dh>> reply of my original mail, but is shown as reply to my original one:

ST> If you thread by subject, In-reply-to and References are not used -
ST> messages with the same subject are just grouped together. So, could
ST> you specify what is the problem exactly?

I'm pretty sure, that I always thread by Alt-1 method. But this thread
was not threaded correctly, so I did Alt-2 and Alt-3 and back to
Alt-1.
But I did not verify if it was in Alt-1 state before.


-- 
shinE!
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Service Pack 1
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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo ken,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:18:58 -0500GMT (23-9-03, 8:18 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

kg> I'm curious how other TB users approach this.  I currently have all my
kg> folders that receive mail sorted by date ascending (that is, newest
kg> message at the bottom).

I've been always most comfortable with newest message on top and I
prefer to sort on the creation date. Not on the time TB received the
message.
But then I also prefer to keep messages threaded (if possible by
references) in all folders and that means that new answers to old
threads don't look like they're very sorted. ;-)

-- 
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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Edgar]

Hello ken,

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 8:18:58 AM, you wrote:

> I'm curious how other TB users approach this.  I currently have all my
> folders that receive mail sorted by date ascending (that is, newest
> message at the bottom).



> This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to the
> bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior bothered anyone
> else, or caused someone switch their sorting method.   Heck, maybe I'm
> the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom!

I also have the messages sorted ascending and the only thing that I
noticed was that if you read a mail, close the folder and open the
folder later (and in the meantime messages were placed into the
folder), the mail highlighted is not the bottom one (newest) but the
one you read last. I would like that to be the last mail (newest).

Any one know how to do that?


-- 
Cheers,
 Edgar

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[MAU]

Hello ken,

> Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom!

No, you are not :-) I have most of my folders set to view Threads by
Reference and then sorted by Created date with newest at bottom.

-- 
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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[rich gregory]

kg> I have gone back and forth over the years, and sometimes used ascending
kg> just for mailing lists and such and descending for "regular" Inboxes.
kg> The reason I'm bringing this up is that TheBat! (v1.62r) seems to
kg> "prefer" new messages at the top.


That's funny...  I finally decided that TB likes OLDEST mssgs at the top!  When in 
preview mode with focus in the message list hit delete.  Focus moves DOWN (to the next 
newsest message).





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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[Martin Webster]

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Hello ken,

On 23 September 2003, 01:18 -0500 (07:18 local time) ken green [KG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

kg> The reason I'm bringing this up is that TheBat! (v1.62r) seems to
kg> "prefer" new messages at the top.  I know one or the other probably had
kg> to be decided on - I'm just curious what other TB users are doing.

Newest on top. Have it that way in Outlook (at work) and think it's the
norm. I'm sure KMail does it this way too.


- --
Best regards,
Martin Webster

The Bat! 2.00.6 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1)

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Re[2]: check ALL as a default

[rich gregory]

>> Odd. F3 does nothing from my keyboard yet, from the dropdown menu
>> (next to the 'get new mail' icon), F3 is there and the command
>> works!

MR> "Check for all", by default, is the clumsy Alt-F2...hence my changing
MR> it to a one key operation.  However, here's a little oddity...

MR> My customized F3 shortcut (check all) works if focus is in either the
MR> folder tree or message index, but if focus is on the message viewer
MR> (or composition window), F3 brings up a "Find text" dialog box
MR> (actually, now that I think of it, this might be a kind of handy
MR> accident!)


I LOVE this.  Thank you Melissa.



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Re[2]: editing mail

[rich gregory]

>> Yes, changing the content & subject line. I used this Eudora feature
>> quite extensively as I need to print new email and do not want to
>> waste 20 extra sheets of paper a day just Hotmail ads.

U> You should be able to change TB's print template so that it does it for you.


I would love to finsd a way to even begin to get a handle on the macro language let 
alone to the point where I'd know how to just run off a macro that does X...

Anyway, I still need to be able to edit messages as my email system _IS_ my filing 
system and, for some reason, the entire rest of the world doesn't send me email 
according to my filing specifications!!!




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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 7:40:50 AM, you wrote:

>>> See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammers.html

>> And why oh why do I get a 404?

E> I did, too.

E> I also cannot make X-ray delete the X-mailer.  This has not
E> been my week.

E> Elaine

Hi Elaine,

I have send a X-Ray file to your email address with my filter setting ,
which works ;-)

I have mine set for delete, but you can aslo change it.


-- 
Best regards,
 Gerard 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Bomb - A very long shot, usually a drive. When we try to hit a bomb the
result is usually what youÆd expect from a ôbomböà a disaster!

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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 7:40:50 AM, you wrote:

>>> See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammers.html

>> And why oh why do I get a 404?

E> I did, too.

E> I also cannot make X-ray delete the X-mailer.  This has not
E> been my week.

E> Elaine

E> Northern Virginia USA

E> (without power much of the week, dealing with annoying
E> server techs when powered up, and only last night finally
E> given a clear on tap water all due to Isabel)




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Hi Elaine,

I have attached my x-ray filter for changing the TB! X-mailer header.
You should be able to import it into X-Ray

-- 
Best regards,
 Gerard 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I found out that all the important lessons of life are contained in the
three rules for achieving a perfect golf swing. 1) Keep your head down.
2) Follow through. 3) Be born with money.

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new mail at top/bottom

[ken green]

I'm curious how other TB users approach this.  I currently have all my
folders that receive mail sorted by date ascending (that is, newest
message at the bottom).

I have gone back and forth over the years, and sometimes used ascending
just for mailing lists and such and descending for "regular" Inboxes.

The reason I'm bringing this up is that TheBat! (v1.62r) seems to
"prefer" new messages at the top.  I know one or the other probably had
to be decided on - I'm just curious what other TB users are doing.

I claim TB prefers descending (new mail at the top), because after
clearing a Quick Filter (Alt + select: name, subject, etc.) by pressing
Ctrl+=, the focus returns to the top of the list.  Not a huge deal, but
if that's your oldest message, there is an extra step to scroll down to
the bottom.

This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to the
bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior bothered anyone
else, or caused someone switch their sorting method.   Heck, maybe I'm
the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom!

-- 
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