Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Miguel, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] These should give you a fairly good idea of my setup. Feel free to ask questions about it but, if you do, please do so on list. ,- [ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg49459.html ] | So, the idea is that if I have any important messages Unread, they | will be either in MyInbox or Inbox-Unknown folders. `- I had a look at your instructions and was interested to read the following sentence there: My first two filters look for Ignored threads (messages from mail list that 'belong' to threads I'm not interested in) and SPAM. I normally just have my fingers hovering over the Delete key or, if it's a thread I know I'll never be interested in, CTRL+SHFT+DEL for instant zapping. I have kill rules that are always there for certain topics and a couple of posters, but I can't see how to set up for instant ignoring of follow up messages to threads from which I have deleted the first message. In Ameol (an OLR I use with CIX) there's a wonderful addon that finds all orphaned messages and deletes them so they're never seen but I can't see how to do it here. If it means adding a sorting office rule then that's just a little bit too much like hard work, especially if a particular topic only has a couple of posts to it. I was just wondering if you could elucidate how you go about ignoring threads which you are not interested in? - -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and the best browser: Opera 7.50 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQBDnEBqZtcDKk7W+EQLfPgCgu04OYSxbO0mabUNbgkJ3xD+uCLQAoIb1 myytzuZiRaLyUfP8B9DW6GjY =N4vx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Greg, Are these common folders? No, I hardly use common folders. See http://www.rancho-k.com/For_Greg.png -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Richard, I was just wondering if you could elucidate how you go about ignoring threads which you are not interested in? :-) See http://www.rancho-k.com/ -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Quoting MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Richard, I was just wondering if you could elucidate how you go about ignoring threads which you are not interested in? :-) See http://www.rancho-k.com/ That looks very good. How much of the moving into the appropriate folder is done manually and how much automaticall? I MUST clean up my inbox, which is well over 3000 messages. Doug -- Doug Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Quoting MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Doug, That looks very good. How much of the moving into the appropriate folder is done manually and how much automaticall? Most is done 'automagically' using filters (sorting rules). I MUST clean up my inbox, which is well over 3000 messages. Mine, which I call My Inbox only has 7 with 3 still unread :) That sounds great. Any chance of a sample of your filters? Doug -- Doug Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hi Stuart On Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 1:42 PM, shemming wrote: When should bayesit start doing it's stuff? That's the same question I had. As I have SpamAssassin on the mail server, most of my spam gets caught and filtered that way, but I was hoping that this would catch the one or two that slip by every week. For the last few days I've received a number of near identical messages telling me that i need to update my system with the attached security fix. I know that the mail is junk and the the file is a virus. Each copy of the message that comes in I mark as junk. I thought that this process was supposed to 'teach' bayesit so that it would throw away the crap when it came in. That was my impression too, and from what I've read on the lists, it has worked well for others. I also had installed the other plug-in for spam as well and that didn't work at all either. Yesterday, I uninstalled the plug-ins, cleared out the registry keys manually and reinstalled the BayesIt only. I'm going to test one at a time now. Either I'm doing something wrong or, well, not. If I'm doing it right then why isn't bayesit catching this stuff? I went back to the site and read all the notes on it and most likely, I did not have many (or even any) spam messages to add when I installed it the first time. The author says that initial training should include both. I therefore made the assumption that I have done something wrong. I'll give this installation a chance to work for a little while and see what happens. Sorry, I know this wasn't much help, but at least you're not alone.:) -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SC but I think it may be since Beta 40. If it /is/ TB! version related then it's broken in b45 too. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBDrzNttnLhkydF1EQLtqACg6ACkFYScOG49zlumhrlv2LaIfjUAoJH9 BtPcjD5pK23rpc7tbC1LfY5D =f171 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SC I have been using Bayesit for some time now and it had been working SC just fine. In the last little while it has quit working altogether. I SC don't know if it is just here, but I think it may be since Beta 40. I've upgraded to b45, let's see if that makes any difference. SC As far as training goes, it doesn't take that many when it is working SC correctly. Is there any logging or something that can be switched on to see if it's doing /anything/? - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Aim towards the Enemy. -Instruction printed on US Rocket Launcher -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBDg3dttnLhkydF1EQKWmACgkPQp1tcQqgQZGa3WAZvyfhIFX+0AniCR 0y3veJAM+VES9/y4HmaOLQtM =Se7M -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Searching the archives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MAU kindly provided links to some old messages that he thought might be of interest. The links took the form mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, if you enter that string in the search box on the archive page you get no messages! I have looked for the subject of the message and whilst I found a number (26) of related messages there doesn't seem to be a way of going to the thread that contains them. Clicking on one of the messages and then clicking on 'Thread' takes me to a page that contains *none* of the messages. Clearly I'm not getting it right (again). Anyone able to off this hard of thinking lad a hand? - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Bozone Layer - A substance surrounding stupid people that makes them impenetrable to bright ideas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBDmq9ttnLhkydF1EQJbSACfXT+S1PWVr52eq5Grlfs69qo2g4UAn3Zw eIe17cHOy1G7sKyCvt4kRYV/ =zjIu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
Dear Stuart, @23-Jan-2004, 09:17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: SH MAU kindly provided links to some old messages that he thought might SH be of interest. The links took the form SH mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, if you enter SH that string in the search box on the archive page you get no messages! These links are for use within TB only. SH I have looked for the subject of the message and whilst I found SH a number (26) of related messages there doesn't seem to be a way SH of going to the thread that contains them. Clicking on one of SH the messages and then clicking on 'Thread' takes me to a page SH that contains *none* of the messages. Perhaps MAU would be able to supply you with references to the mail-archive messages? That would be quite a bit of extra work for him though. Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Notebook Synchronizing
Hello Kevin, Friday, January 23, 2004, 5:18:14 AM, you wrote: BBTE I choose one machine as master (my home desktop). When I BBTE retrieve mail there, I remove it from the server. When I BBTE retrieve mail using the notebook or from the office, I leave BBTE mail on the server until I dump it from the trash KC Thanks for sharing your solution. Kevin, Bill's solution does not solve instances when you send mail from the notebook. I use the following set-up to cover for that. Whenever I send an e-mail from my notebook I send a blind copy (BCC) to myself. The Bat! on my notebook knows it should leave these e-mails on the server. Then: When I reach home I start collecting my e-mail and The Bat! automatically sorts the messages that I have send during my trip to it's Sent Mail folder. Thus my home PC always contains copies of all the mail I get and send. On the notebook: Add these macros to your templates for 'New message' and 'Reply' (and if you use these also in 'Forward' and 'Reading conformation') You do this at menu: Account - Properties - Templates -begin macros--- %BCC= %BCC=%FROMNAME %FROMADDR --end macros From now you are sending automatically BCC copies to yourself. Then go to the Sorting Office and make a new rule under 'Selective download'. Make the rule 'Detect by originator' with as signal string your own e-mail address. This will make your notebook neglect these mails on the server. (Call the rule 'Ignore BCC copies' or something like that). That's it on this side. At home: Go to the Sorting Office and make a new rule under 'Incoming mail' Apply these settings in the Rule tab: Source folder = 'Inbox' Move message to folder = 'Sent mail' Filtering string = *your own e-mail address* Location = Sender Presence = Yes Then under the tab Actions click 'Mark the message as read' Now your own mail is sorted to the 'Sent Mail' folder (you won't even notice it functioning). Call it To Send mail if I send as BCC or something like that. I actually never use the Synchronise tool between my notebook and home PC. If I really need copies my e-mails on the notebook I usually copy the all the Messages.tbb and the Messages.tbi files (containing the messages) onto the notebook before I leave for a trip (and address books). Hope i could be helpful. -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
Hello Marck, Perhaps MAU would be able to supply you with references to the mail-archive messages? That would be quite a bit of extra work for him though. Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. That's what I did in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Notebook Synchronizing
At 7:55 AM on 1/23/2004, Gerrit Kiers typed ... G Kevin, G Bill's solution does not solve instances when you send mail from the G notebook. I use the following set-up to cover for that. Thanks, Kevin! You not only mentioned a step that I omitted (BCCs to myself of messages that I want to store on the main computer) but you also provided a macro I can use. Two for the price of one. G Hope i could be helpful. Indeed! -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 1/23/2004 at 8:02 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it. -- Groucho Marx If not for these words, this line would be blank. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Using Linux
Hi Rich, On Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 12:31 AM, rich wrote: GC Will The Bat! run [under Linux] VN Not directly, but maybe under Wine. M3 I have gotten it to run under Wine with Mandrake 9.1. But I did M3 not do extensive testing. Are any of youse guys using TB! under Linux (via WINE)? How well *does* it work? I'm currently experimenting with it using Fedora Core 1. A problem (and not just related to The Bat!) is that Fedora Core 1 uses prelinking of libraries and exec-shield and that seems to have severely interfered with the functioning of Wine (both free and Crossover Office version). I'm currently using Codeweavers' Crossover Office version of Wine with prelinking and exec-shield turned off. Codeweavers is working on the problem. I was also able to make it work with regular wine. I just bought Codeweavers to ease the transition for me and the thousands of Office documents I have that don't always translate well in OpenOffice and because I don't have a lot of time right now to play with regular wine. The Bat! was working fine but I currently have a problem where the screen disappears but it is still running as the mail ticker works and it checks mail. I just can't see the screen. I was in the process of troubleshooting it and a couple of other things about my system when I totally screwed it up (being a relative Linux newbie) and am now dealing with a kernel panic totally unrelated to The Bat! issue. I think the problem with The Bat! may have to do with the fact that I have it set to minimize to tray. Or of course, it could be something totally different. :) I'll let you know how I progress. I've got MS Office running fine. Well, that was before the kernel panic. vbg One of my goals is also to be able to share the mail directories. I have a triple boot system and sharing TB mail between Win2k and WinXp works fine. I'm working on sharing it with Linux. If I am ever successful with a consistently working TB on Linux, I will post a little HOWTO on it. FYI, the prelinking and exec-shield thing seem to be something that most of the major distros are doing now, or at least that was reported on a couple of mailing lists about wine/crossover office. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hi Stuart On Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 1:42 PM, shemming wrote: When should bayesit start doing it's stuff? It didn't start working well for me until I had about 1,000 messages in **both** spam and ham for it to work from. I also had to crank the threshold *way* down to get reasonable results. I currently have it set at 10 (out of 100). While that seemed a frighteningly small value, I have never gotten a false positive. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDP Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. But I don't have the messages (I've already tried that). - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBEjIdttnLhkydF1EQLg3wCeJmvQgiI2I3S9g3yM14aij77nN/wAoLfj v8W4eaHQeuBzrBo7dX2k3pNN =APq7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Searching the archives
Hello Marck, Friday, January 23, 2004, 1:19:12 PM, you wrote: MDP Dear Stuart, MDP @23-Jan-2004, 09:17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SH] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: SH MAU kindly provided links to some old messages that he thought might SH be of interest. The links took the form SH mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, if you enter SH that string in the search box on the archive page you get no messages! MDP These links are for use within TB only. SH I have looked for the subject of the message and whilst I found SH a number (26) of related messages there doesn't seem to be a way SH of going to the thread that contains them. Clicking on one of SH the messages and then clicking on 'Thread' takes me to a page SH that contains *none* of the messages. MDP Perhaps MAU would be able to supply you with references to the MDP mail-archive messages? That would be quite a bit of extra work for MDP him though. Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. An explaination please. You can fire up TB is it the same as You can leave TB? What is mid URLs? Thanks for help. -- Best regards, Papy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Stuart, Friday, January 23, 2004, 3:39:22 AM, you wrote: SH Hash: SHA1 SC but I think it may be since Beta 40. SH If it /is/ TB! version related then it's broken in b45 too. Is any one having problems with Bayesit all of a sudden, in beta 40/45. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
Dear Jean, @23-Jan-2004, 15:04 +0100 (23-Jan 14:04 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip SH mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, if you enter SH that string in the search box on the archive page you get no messages! MDP These links are for use within TB only. ... snip MDP him though. Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. JS An explaination please. I shall try :-). JS You can fire up TB is it the same as You can leave TB? No. Fire up is like Start up or Run. So it means You can start up TB JS What is mid URLs? An 'mid' is a Message ID. It refers to the Message-ID header field. All email messages have one (that's a sweeping generalisation and is only slightly inaccurate - actually it's more like 99.99% of messages have ID fields, but that's just nit-picking). The term 'URL' means Universal Resource Locator. URL can be applied to mailto:, http:, and mid: references amongst others. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hello ken, Thursday, January 22, 2004, 9:15:55 PM, you wrote: kg AbacusBat! - Uninstall kg This will remove AbacausBat! Continue? I'd never even hear of AbacusBat until now. Just looking at the website for it, it appears to be some law related program that incorporates TB. ,-- [ From http://www.esqwiredconsulting.com/update.htm ] | New Integrated Email AbacusBat is an integrated custom version of the | award-winning powerful email program called TheBat! It has every | feature that an advanced user will ever want. AbacusBat handles all of | your email and can file practice-related messages automatically by | Name and Matter. AbacusBat uses your AbacusLaw Names database so you | don't have to keep a separate address book or worry about duplicate | contact information. `-- Did you install Abacusbat? My guess is that the error is with them and not TB. If you're just trying to upgrade TB, then I would just install the version you want over the top of it. However, just FYI we're in version 2 now and there is an upgrade cost involved. There are no more betas being developed for the 1.x versions. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not seeing attachments again
ON Thursday, January 22, 2004, 6:45:05 PM, you wrote: kg This isn't the problem I'm experiencing. I can select the message all kg day long and no attachment is shown (even though it *is* confirmed as kg being there). Hi ken, Can you explain what you mean by The attachment is not shown even though it *is* confirmed as being there How is it confirmed as being there without you seeing it? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: Look at the size of his putter Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Terry, Friday, January 23, 2004, 10:58:14 AM, you wrote: T That's the same question I had. As I have SpamAssassin on the mail T server, most of my spam gets caught and filtered that way, but I was T hoping that this would catch the one or two that slip by every week. If SpamAssassin on your mail server is preventing spam mails from getting to your copy of The Bat!, then you should really disable it. Having two spam filters is not actually a good idea in most cases. If one deletes a spam or otherwise stops it from being seen by the other filter, then the other filter cannot evaluate it. Worse, if it if a statistical filter - a bayesian one like bayesit - then that filter will not learn about the spam's content and be able to update its filtering. The only exception for this that I can think of is the way The Bat! implements its plug-in architecture - which allows multiple filters, all of which report a score. You can then choose to act on the lowest (minimal) or highest (maximal) amongst the results, or to use an average from all filters. (See the anti-spam plugin filters preference page for details - it's not obvious at first!) This multi-plugin capability means that The Bat! would decide what to do after all filters have had a chance to look at the mail and report their findings. It also means that marking mail as junk would cause it to be analysed by multiple filters, improving the detection by all filters in the future. However, at the moment, I'm only aware of one free filter plugin for spam - bayesit - so this very nice feature of The Bat! goes unused as yet. Hopefully you can now see why the plugin architecture is so valuable, though. SpamAssassin should at most be marking suspected spam with some kind of subject alteration or header, and then you should let bayesit candle it as normal. If you're filtering on modifications made by SpamAssassin and not marking the filtered mails as junk for bayesit, it will never learn. To be honest, because of this I would tend to say that you should run only one anti-spam precaution - unless additional ones are also plug-ins for The Bat!. Anything else risks not correctly training the bayesit plugin. Of course, this could also be a failing in a beta of The Bat! - in which case, aren't you on the wrong mailing list? ;-) -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: uninstalling The Bat!
ken green wrote: kg If that is the case, the error messages I received didn't even kg hint at that explanation. No message about protecting anything. kg Just what I posted. Why something as simple and basic as an kg uninstall has to be so esoteric and cryptic is just bad usability. kg Come on... Sounds buggy to me, and not many here would have encountered it since we never think of using the TB! uninstall option in Add/Remove Programs. ;) kg You reply indicates that an uninstall was started ( you should see a kg few folders left over, and a couple of files) but nothing began. I kg never got past those error boxes. You could manually uninstall, i.e., delete HKCU/Software/Rit and delete all files in the installation directory. However, leave your Mail directory. kg Unfortunately, I cannot test this because I am in the process of a kg complete manual delete of all things Bat. I deleted all program files kg and mail files (made a zip backup first), then proceeded to go through kg the registry and look for bat entries to delete. I'm still working on kg that Hmmm. This is probably not the thing to do. For two reasons, it will create problems when converting to IMAP and it's probably overdoing things when there's a problem with one or two message bases. Why not just delete the errant ones and restore from backup. kg Do you know how many registry entries have bat in them? Adobe kg Acrobat alone consists of about 50-60 entries, not to mention .bat kg files, etc. I tried searching on RitLabs first but that turned up kg one entry. If you plan to reinstall, TB!, I wouldn't worry about the other registry entries since you plan to install it in the same location and keep it as your default client. kg What about installing 2.x over 2.x? This was my laptop, which I kg had running first CE, then beta 40. That should be fine. kg Part of the reason I wanted a clean install was because of the kg corrupt folder problems I was having (messages not displaying). I kg know it's a longshot, but I thought a clean install might be kg nice.. :( I see. So it's more than corrupt messages. kg I was also wondering (and would appreciate any advice) the best way to kg restore accounts without going through the IMAP convert to POP during kg the 1.62 upgrade to 2.x - and whether that's worth the hassle. If I were converting from IMAP to POP, I'd export all my IMAP mail to UNIX files or copy/move them to local folders. I'd then create fresh POP accounts, create new folders and then import each exported folders messages to the corresponding POP folders. kg I thought I might create fresh new IMAP accounts, then copy and kg paste the message base. The IMAP bases are not like the standard ones. If you look in your IMAP mail folders, you'll see files with strange names. So unlike POP accounts that have a directory structure in explorer mirroring the mail folder structure in the account, this doesn't exist with an IMAP account. The IMAP messages are on the server. The only way to get those messages would be to move them to local TB! folders or export them to file. TB! will pull the messages off the server when doing the export. I hope you have a fast connection. :) kg Also, I could conceivably do a restore on my laptop to 1.62r and kg convert all accounts to POP, then upgrade. At that point, create kg my IMAP accounts and just copy messages from the POP folder kg equivalents... Yeah. Each protocol is so different that it's difficult converting from one to the other, unless it's done manually, i.e., creating fresh accounts and moving the messages across. I don't know if the process is possible to run on the fly without problems/bugs being encountered in the process. -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ TB! v2.03 Beta/40 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange Font - From Nowhere
Steve Mulhall wrote: SM Does anyone have any ideas as to why all of a sudden (with no SM warning and no obvious reason why) whenever I open any messages SM (from any folder/account) they all appear in some strange font SM (quite hard to read it is too)? Have you checked your font settings in the Preferences, namely those for 'Plain Text/MicroEd' (this controls the font used for composing with MicroEd and for viewing received messages with the Fixed Width Viewer) and 'HTML/Windows Editor' (this controls the fonts used for composing messages with the HTML editor as well as for viewing received messages with the Rich Text Viewer). -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ TB! v2.03 Beta/40 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Notebook Synchronizing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gerrit, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:55:46 +0100 (7:55 AM here), Gerrit Kiers [GK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GK Bill's solution does not solve instances when you send mail from the GK notebook. I use the following set-up to cover for that. Thank you so much. I'm still in the process of installing the essentials (AV, firewall, misc utils, pgp) but will save your message and incorporate your suggestions soon. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAEU3DvZSrVDqOXK0RAou3AKDBFwGXqrzyxOtNwlEUERyhvFsH8ACg/LkE wNGVkaCyz8HPU5EXMImDxiE= =TS5r -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Notebook Synchronizing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bill, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:04:48 -0500 (8:04 AM here), Bill Blinn Technology Editor [BBTE] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: BBTE Thanks, Kevin! You not only mentioned a step that I omitted BBTE (BCCs to myself of messages that I want to store on the main BBTE computer) but you also provided a macro I can use. Hehehe .. actually you can thank Gerrit but the suggestions given here are most helpful. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAEU+3vZSrVDqOXK0RAkceAKDgZ4pSj5g9TZVVv3/NjqoDmg73cQCfUN1V a9iMXsCrw/21F/b+NN6MdBU= =DwYi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Notebook Synchronizing
At 11:45 AM on 1/23/2004, Kevin Coates typed ... K Hehehe .. actually you can thank Gerrit but the suggestions given here K are most helpful. This is another clear example of why I should never attempt to communicate in the hours before noon. Or the hours after noon, for that part. Thanks for catching that! -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 1/23/2004 at 12:08 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: I'll never forget you -- you're too weird. If not for these words, this line would be blank. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Notebook Synchronising
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bill, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:04:48 -0500 (8:04 AM here), Bill Blinn Technology Editor [BBTE] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: BBTE Thanks, Kevin! You not only mentioned a step that I omitted BBTE (BCCs to myself of messages that I want to store on the main BBTE computer) but you also provided a macro I can use. Hehehe .. actually you can thank Gerrit but the suggestions given here are most helpful. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.03 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAEU+3vZSrVDqOXK0RAkceAKDgZ4pSj5g9TZVVv3/NjqoDmg73cQCfUN1V a9iMXsCrw/21F/b+NN6MdBU= =DwYi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Hi Kevin, I use Easy2Sync to get my desktop and laptop to keep each other up to date across a peer to peer network. I believe as long as you can connect the two machines to each other Easy2Sync will work. I tried using briefcase in XP Home and simple copying across from the desktop to the laptop and a variety of other alternatives that were suggested and for this little programme is by far the easiest way of doing things. The developer is german but his site is also in english...www.itsth.de Regards - Charles - Using The Bat! v2.02.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MAU, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was just wondering if you could elucidate how you go about ignoring threads which you are not interested in? :-) See http://www.rancho-k.com/ Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds and have so far resisted PowerPro but that ignore feature is going to be too hard to resist. Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me down that path! ;-) - -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and the best browser: Opera 7.50 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQBFWwBqZtcDKk7W+EQLEdgCeMC/5QCCFwhBWTzuSRyFAKhs7ph4An0Ze g+RiDf6OM6ty+9K/5UaHOrw4 =FLhS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: quoting and
Hello ken, On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:48:38 -0600 GMT (23/01/2004, 00:48 +0700 GMT), ken green wrote: Decrease the value. If TB finds a within the set number of characters, it will assume that everything before it is part of the quoted name. Within the set number of characters... ?? From the beginning of the line? Yes. Why in the world would the default value be set at 20? I don't know. for my taste, it is far too high. I changed the value to 3 (but this is the first time I've touched that option). Glad you did. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My goal is to be a meterologist. But since I possess no training in meteorology, I suppose I should try stock brokerage. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/40 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Documentation on Keyboard Shortcuts for Current Version
Hello Steve, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:22:38 +1100 GMT (23/01/2004, 05:22 +0700 GMT), Steve Mullarkey wrote: Thanks Thomas. I forgot to put the word 'Documentation' in my msg as well as in the Subject line. Maybe I didn't read the subject line carefully enough. I can see that your suggestion allows me modify shortcuts but I was looking for documentation I can read through and search to show me what options are available. Most programs I use have this information in the Help file, but I can't find it in The Bat. The best I found is a text file from January 2000. Maybe it's not in the help file, but my suggestion allows you to check through the shortcuts. Specifically I am looking for a keyboard shortcut to take me directly to the folder/account window. Using TAB and Shift/TAB sort of works but gets into an awful mess when HTML msgs are displayed. Maybe you are right, insofar that the shortcut you are looking for doesn't seem to exist. Just maybe... I know nothing. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. There are a lot of drunk people about to drive home, so drive as fast as you can. It's harder for drunk people to hit you. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/40 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Richard, Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me down that path! ;-) Have a nice weekend ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Leif Gregory wrote: If you're just trying to upgrade TB, then I would just install the version you want over the top of it. However, just FYI we're in version 2 now and there is an upgrade cost involved. There are no more betas being developed for the 1.x versions. Sorry I wasn't clear. I have paid for a 1.x license as well as the v2 CE upgrade. Is it true that I can simply install newer exe files on top of older ones to upgrade? Not across major releases, though, right? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Jonathan Angliss wrote: I originally had an issue with an imap setting on one of my accounts that I couldn't get unstuck, and ended up reinstalling... so sometimes it is worth it. By reinstalling do you mean a complete installation process (including the import and/or creation of new accounts)? Or do you mean just copying over the executable like the beta upgrades? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: not seeing attachments again
Hi ken Friday, January 23, 2004, 1:31:51 AM, you wrote: kg But at least it's evidence that I'm not insane (and I need evidence kg sometimes... ;) lol Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesit
Hello Philip, Friday, January 23, 2004, 9:58:11 AM, you wrote: PS However, at the moment, I'm only aware of one free filter plugin for PS spam - bayesit - so this very nice feature of The Bat! goes unused as PS yet. Hopefully you can now see why the plugin architecture is so PS valuable, though. BayesFilter Download: http://www.lkcc.org:8500/download/bayesfilter.zip BayesIT Download: http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesit.htm VampireX Download: http://vampirex.fabiangonzalez.cl/ -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesit
Hi Philip, On Friday, January 23, 2004 at 3:58 PM, Philip wrote: Friday, January 23, 2004, 10:58:14 AM, you wrote: T That's the same question I had. As I have SpamAssassin on the mail T server, most of my spam gets caught and filtered that way, but I was T hoping that this would catch the one or two that slip by every week. If SpamAssassin on your mail server is preventing spam mails from getting to your copy of The Bat!, then you should really disable it. Thanks for your response, but I think you must have misunderstood what I wrote. I'm not having any problems with SpamAssassin on the mail server. By caught I mean that SpamAssassin is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and works exactly how I've set it up - it evaluates all incoming mail for spam, adds the appropriate headers and forwards it to my mailbox where I then download all mail. I then use filters on TB to separate out the spam based on the header information. Having two spam filters is not actually a good idea in most cases. If one deletes a spam or otherwise stops it from being seen by the other filter, then the other filter cannot evaluate it. Worse, if it if a statistical filter - a bayesian one like bayesit - then that filter will not learn about the spam's content and be able to update its filtering. I have used two filters in the past with no problems at all. I used a SpamAssassin and popfile combination for almost a year. Popfile caught those that SpamAssassin scored low. When the plug-in became available, I switched to the BayesIt plug-in and Bayes Filter plug-in instead of popfile (one less program that's running). Neither has worked. I've read multiple posts both on this list and on the RitLabs Forum to know that I am not the only one having this problem with BayesIt. It works for some and not for others. I haven't heard much about Bayes Filter. The only exception for this that I can think of is the way The Bat! implements its plug-in architecture - which allows multiple filters, all of which report a score. You can then choose to act on the lowest (minimal) or highest (maximal) amongst the results, or to use an average from all filters. (See the anti-spam plugin filters preference page for details - it's not obvious at first!) This multi-plugin capability means that The Bat! would decide what to do after all filters have had a chance to look at the mail and report their findings. It also means that marking mail as junk would cause it to be analysed by multiple filters, improving the detection by all filters in the future. I'm aware of how the plug-ins are supposed to work and how e-mails can be scored by multiple plug-ins, scores can be averaged, etc. Unfortunately, none of the current anti-spam plugins work as effectively as SpamAssassin does on my server. That's my experience. YMMV However, at the moment, I'm only aware of one free filter plugin for spam - bayesit - so this very nice feature of The Bat! goes unused as yet. Hopefully you can now see why the plugin architecture is so valuable, though. I'm very familiar with the benefits of the plugin architecture, but thanks for the review. There are three anti-spam plugins available, BayesIt and two others. One is called VampireX. It doesn't use bayes classification and only uses regex. My preference is Bayes and since I haven't heard any positive comments about this one, I haven't used it. http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/10/3/3/10-3-3-161.shtml There is also one by Achim Winkler that is called Bayes Filter, I think. http://www.lkcc.org/achim/download/ It's described on TBDEV in this message. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00532.html SpamAssassin should at most be marking suspected spam with some kind of subject alteration or header, and then you should let bayesit candle it as normal. If you're filtering on modifications made by SpamAssassin and not marking the filtered mails as junk for bayesit, it will never learn. That's what I do. BayesIt still doesn't learn. I've also updated the kludges file on the off chance that the case of the headers mattered. I suspect, based on the number of people that seem to be having problems, there may be some issues with the plugins that haven't been worked out. It could be any number of things. At one time, there was a report that one version of BayesIt wasn't working on Win98 because the author was relying on some system variables that were Win2k and XP specific. That was fixed. Someone's reported that it took over 500 spam mails until it started working. Someone else reported it started working after 10 spam mails. Who knows? It never worked for me and I average 50 spam mails a day and I had both filters in place for several months. I don't really have the time right now to spend on trying to troubleshoot the plugins. I've uninstalled both BayesIt and Bayes Filter and will now try them out one at a time to see what's happening. Maybe something will become obvious over
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hello ken, Friday, January 23, 2004, 11:02:26 AM, you wrote: kg Is it true that I can simply install newer exe files on top of kg older ones to upgrade? Not across major releases, though, right? Yes, you can install 2.x over 1.x... There were some issues with IMAP accounts (someone else can speak to that as I didn't have that issue at the time). -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hi ken, on Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:02:26 -0600GMT (23.01.04, 19:02 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : kg Is it true that I can simply install newer exe files on top of older kg ones to upgrade? Not across major releases, though, right? Absolutely correct. It is always recommended to have usable backups before making major changes, but here The Bat!'s new installs always kept the old preferences and mail properties intact, so I never needed my backup after upgrading. :-) -- Cheers Peter Up is, by definition, the direction which broadens horizons. A. Cygni Winamp currently playing: Van Der Graaf Generator - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Notebook Synchronising)
CDWOS wrote: C I use Easy2Sync to get my desktop and laptop to keep each other up C to date across a peer to peer network. I believe as long as you can C connect the two machines to each other Easy2Sync will work. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out CDWOS. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. /moderator -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ TB! v2.03 Beta/40 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Leif- Friday, January 23, 2004, 7:20:41 AM, you wrote: kg AbacusBat! - Uninstall kg This will remove AbacausBat! Continue? LG ,-- [ From http://www.esqwiredconsulting.com/update.htm ] LG | New Integrated Email AbacusBat is an integrated custom version of the I'm always wary of integrated custom versions of *anything*. My guess is that the registry entries ken's looking for will be more in the Abacus-related areas, although now that he's started doing all this by hand, the chances of this coming out well aren't good. I also wouldn't hold out much hope for a mixture of the Abacus stuff and a new non-Abacus version of TB working together. Since it's all integrated, a better solution would probably be to upgrade the whole Abacus package at once, with whatever AbacusBat comes bundled. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hello Mark, Friday, January 23, 2004, 12:35:29 PM, you wrote: MW I also wouldn't hold out much hope for a mixture of the Abacus MW stuff and a new non-Abacus version of TB working together. Since MW it's all integrated, a better solution would probably be to MW upgrade the whole Abacus package at once, with whatever AbacusBat MW comes bundled. Yeah.. Not being familiar with that particular package, there's no telling what they have done in the registry and to TB on his machine. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Mark Wieder wrote: I'm always wary of integrated custom versions of *anything*. As am I. But I have not ever *HEARD* of AbacusBat, and certainly did not install it intentionally. To my knowledge, I have only even had regular ol' The Bat!, starting with 1.x some time ago. My guess is that the registry entries ken's looking for will be more in the Abacus-related areas, although now that he's started doing all this by hand, the chances of this coming out well aren't good. It's done. I've raped and pillaged my registry and probably removed 10 times the entries I needed to. I will start with a fresh install and see how that goes. Is there a way to do a fresh install of v2? (I only paid for an upgrade, so this may not be possible) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
On Friday, January 23, 2004 at 4:27:33 PM, ken green wrote in the message uninstalling The Bat! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a way to do a fresh install of v2? (I only paid for an upgrade, so this may not be possible) Yes, you can. Just use the licence key they sent you for the fresh install; it will work. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Today's Oxymoron: Clearly misunderstood Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Chris wrote: Yes, you can. Just use the licence key they sent you for the fresh install; it will work. OK, thanks. I thought it was an upgrade license only kinda deal. I will try a fresh install with CE and see how that goes. Except. I'm still using 1.62r on my desktop. Will that screw things up trying to import messages over the the laptop and v2? I may try Allie's suggestion... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - thanks
Just wanted to take a quick moment and publicly thank all of you who have been participating in this thread. Without this forum, I don't know where I'd be with The Bat! -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not seeing attachments again
Gerard wrote: Can you explain what you mean by The attachment is not shown even though it *is* confirmed as being there How is it confirmed as being there without you seeing it? It is not displayed through The Bat's interface. The list view does not show an attachment present, and the left column of the preview pane (view attachments automatically) does not show the attachment. However, if I check my attachment folder or download the message with another e-mail client, the attachment is there. In fact, I can re-download the message again in TB and see the attachment in the new copy. Upon clicking on that new (copy) message, the attachment icon then shows up in the original message!!! My gut tells me Marck has been on the right track (see previous threads about this problem). There *has* to be some kind of document type corruption. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MAU, On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me down that path! ;-) Have a nice weekend ;-) Nah! Chickened out. Far too much to learn. I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks - far easier :-) - -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.03.47 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and the best browser: Opera 7.50 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQBGduhqZtcDKk7W+EQJD4gCeKdwpy+PdDWoy26IJRbZdZg+JNgYAoMbS Xx81NetsKLl5CC8SLF6QqmAV =a7Ne -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Macros and templates
Hello All! Visit this site http://en.barin.com.ua/ for more info. -- Life is stranger than fiction. - Listening by STP now: Silence... - Fixer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange Font - From Nowhere
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Friday, January 23, 2004, 7:12:31 PM, you wrote: SM Hi all, SM Does anyone have any ideas as to why all of a sudden (with no warning SM and no obvious reason why) whenever I open any messages (from any SM folder/account) they all appear in some strange font (quite hard to SM read it is too)? snip Suggest have a look at Options-View-Character Set- Choose Latin 1 and Set as default Paul - Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A ...I can't be overdrawn, I still have cheques left! Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M3 I also had to crank the M3 threshold *way* down to get reasonable results. How do I do that? - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Once, in the Congo, I lost my corkscrew, and was forced to live on nothing but food and water for days. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBErItttnLhkydF1EQJ7tACfcalt7iqeQD2mnmsF3lAQSy1R05oAnjs5 Ne/yy0G8ihg2Tg+qNZwsDB/K =8Seu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Allie Martin wrote: Hmmm. This is probably not the thing to do. For two reasons, it will create problems when converting to IMAP and it's probably overdoing things when there's a problem with one or two message bases. Why not just delete the errant ones and restore from backup. This is what I *should* have done. But it was late, I was frustrated, and reason had left the building a long time ago... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
Allie Martin wrote: If I were converting from IMAP to POP, I'd export all my IMAP mail to UNIX files or copy/move them to local folders. I'd then create fresh POP accounts, create new folders and then import each exported folders messages to the corresponding POP folders. Is there a reason why you would use the Unix file export rather than MSG files or EML? I don't know the difference (except that different mail clients only import/export one or two formats). Are there advantages/disadvantages to any of the three formats? One last thing: could I do a new v2 install, create POP accounts, copy local folders over into the mail directory of the new install, THEN convert two of the accounts to IMAP? Maybe a better question is: Is POP - IMAP easily done with v2? I know that it's a very different message base and format. You know what? I'm making this WAY more complicated than I need it to be. The two accounts I want to have as IMAP, I don't really need a lot of message archives. The accounts I use for lists (where I would want to move the messages over), I have set as POP anyway. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
ken green wrote: Are there advantages/disadvantages to any of the three formats? I think I answered my own question here... EML and MSG format exports and imports a group of individual messages. Exporting a Unix-mail*box* gives me one file - the whole folder of selected messages. Nice. This is definitely the best way to move messages across. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
Ken Green, [KG] wrote: KG Is there a reason why you would use the Unix file export rather than KG MSG files or EML? I don't know the difference (except that different KG mail clients only import/export one or two formats). When you export to UNIX file, all messages are contained within a single file. However, in msg and eml formats, *each* message is represented by a single file. A UNIX export is therefore easier to work with. KG One last thing: could I do a new v2 install, create POP accounts, copy KG local folders over into the mail directory of the new install, THEN KG convert two of the accounts to IMAP? I forgot that you can import messages from TB! message base formats as well. I'd do the fresh install, create IMAP accounts and then import the messages from the folders in the old account's 'Mail' directory. KG Maybe a better question is: Is POP - IMAP easily done with v2? I know KG that it's a very different message base and format. I haven't tried it though the option has been recently implemented. KG You know what? KG I'm making this WAY more complicated than I need it to be. The two KG accounts I want to have as IMAP, I don't really need a lot of message KG archives. The accounts I use for lists (where I would want to move the KG messages over), I have set as POP anyway. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using SB! Lite v2.03.47 on WinXP Pro (SP1) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
angle brackets in IMAP account
OK, this issue was brought up before (see thread: Re:What is that number? 10-17 Oct 2003) but there wasn't a good answer. What exactly are the number with the *angle* brackets in the total messages column? Note that this is NOT a number in parentheses, indicating the total number of messages within sub-folders. The angle brackets appear to be unique to IMAP accounts. I just did a fresh install of 2.02.3 CE and set up one IMAP account. When I hit the server, the total messages column in my new (and only) accounts's Inbox showed: 202 203 After I selected synchronize all folders, the angles and number inside went away. My total messages column now is: 202 Since this now appears to be doing something, I'm sure this is some kind of cool IMAP feature that I don't know about.. ;) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
Hello Stuart, Friday, January 23, 2004, 3:17:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sec Clearly I'm not getting it right (again). Anyone able to off this hard sec of thinking lad a hand? Just click on the URL in the quote box for each message in the archives. ,- [ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg39937.html ] | Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:22:15 +0200 | From: Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: My filters, colour groups and ticker setup (Re: ticker info?) `- ,- [ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg49459.html ] | Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:17:41 +0200 | From: Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: Displaying new status in account tree pane and folder summary | pane `- -- Best regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Allie - your GUI
Allie My email was buried in an old thread, so you might not have seen my question, but in relation to the look you showed in http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/tb.png: On Sun 18 January 2004, 1:00:56 +1000, Allie Martin wrote: Mau, [M] wrote: M Yes, it looks nice. Which set is it so I don't have to scroll them M all? That would be glyphs #55. And now that I am trying out WindowBlinds, what was the skin you are using? -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
