Re: how to auto-mark moved mails as read?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Feli,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 10:47:02 PM, you wrote:

>> Select any common folder, then press CTRL-ALT-P to bring up the "account"
>> properties for the common folders. This setting applies to all common
>> folders.

> You meant CTRL-SHIFT-P, did you?

Yes.  :-)

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Filters 3.0

[Jan]

I've defined a number of Common Filters and today I realised that most of
them have disappeared from the Sorting Office.

However, when I open account.srb in a text editor I can see references to the
vanished filters.

Is there a way to recover them?
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SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Concerning MIDs: Is it safe to assume a valid email does always
contain a MID?

I just saw some SPAM mails do not have a MID.

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Re[2]: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0

[Maksym Kozub]

David wrote:

DMD> Hello, again, everyone.

DMD> On Thursday, 23 September 2004, I sent a query to this list about a
DMD> problem that I am having in evaluating The Bat 3.0 as a replacement
DMD> for Outlook XP/2002 (under Windows XP Professional, SP 1).
(skipped)
DMD> I apologize for mentioning this problem a second time, but I received
DMD> no response to my query, nor has RITLabs support offered any
DMD> suggestions.

I _did_ send a reply to your previous message, and it appeared on the list.
However, you seem to have missed it somehow, so here you have it again, and
I'm also copying it to your private adddress:

-
David wrote:

DMD> Because I send e-mail messages containing Russian/Cyrillic text,
DMD> any e-mail client upon which I decide must support Cyrillic text.
(skipped)
DMD> My problem comes with my signature file, which is a few lines of
DMD> Pushkin, in Russian. I have the signature file saved as a separate
DMD> Unicode/Cyrillic text file, but when The Bat! imports the file,
DMD> the result is "gibberish" characters that are not Russian at all.

DMD> I am using the following "cookie" setup in my preferences for
DMD> the account I am using for testing, inserting a newline character
DMD> (\n) at the end of each line, as instructed by the on-line help,
DMD> %COOKIE="C:\pushkin-signature-unicode-koi8-r.txt".

Well, I would consider thge following as a possible solution. Save your
signature file as non-Unicode Windows Cyrillic. Use some (re-)encoding
software to make it KOI-8. Use
%COOKIE="C:\pushkin-signature-your-plain-non-unicode-koi8-r.txt" :).

I personally would recommend Decode by Boris Berdichevskiy,
http://www.borisba.com/~borisba/decode21.zip (that page is unfortunately
Russian only, but the program interface is in English.) I can send you the
latest version by personal e-mail if you wish. This software is free. ZIP
archive, something about 250 KB. Doesn't need installation; unpack it, and
you're done.

I sincerely recommending his software to everybody Cyrillic-(and other-)
encodings-challenged. (For the record, I am in no way associated with its
author.)

Regards,
Maksym

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 20:22, Bill McCarthy wrote:
> Header field - Subject - match - ^\s*$

Thanks, I will try it. :)

Why are RegExp so cryptical... ;)

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Re: POPFile - selective use?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 20:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> DO you think I can install POPFile (again) but this time only have it
> proxying for some accounts and leave others to not be proxied?

Yes, you define the POP-setting in your account settings and not in
Popfile. Those who should connect through Popfile need the 127.0.0.1
settings.

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Re: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0

[David M. Dickerson]

Hello, again, everyone.
On Thursday, 23 September 2004, I sent a query
to this list about a problem that I am having in
evaluating The Bat 3.0 as a replacement for
Outlook XP/2002 (under Windows XP Professional,
SP 1).
I believe that my problem stems from the fact
that The Bat does not yet offer Unicode support,
but I could be wrong. I could easily be doing
something wrong, or just plain stupid. ;-)
Because I have Russian-speaking friends in Ukraine
and Russian (including my fiancee in Odessa, Ukraine),
I send many e-mail messages that contain Cyrillic text,
which is easy to do with Thunderbird, because I can
use UTF-8 encoding (but The Bat is much more powerful).
I have absolutely no problems with Russian/English
messages in Outlook, but I want a more secure, and
powerful, e-mail client.
My workaround for the text of my messages is to use
a default character set of KOI8-R, but, for some reason,
my signature file, which contains an excerpt of a Pushkin
poem in Russian, will NOT import into my TB messages:
DMD> I am using the following "cookie" setup in my
DMD> preferences for the account I am using for testing,
DMD> inserting a new line character (\n) at the end of
DMD> each line, as instructed by the on-line help,
DMD> %COOKIE="C:\pushkin-signature-unicode-koi8-r.txt".
I used the evaluation version of the Unicode text editor
EmEditor to create the signature file. Because I am only
able to use my signature file successfully in Outlook,
I do not know if the problem lies with my Russian/English
text file or with TB itself. (I have the same problem,
by the way, with Thunderbird, which is Unicode-compliant!)
I apologize for mentioning this problem a second time,
but I received no response to my query, nor has RITLabs
support offered any suggestions.
My decision on whether to use TB hinges, in part, on
resolving this problem -- and I would appreciate any
suggestions, or even a response.
Thank you very much, in advance!
Cordially,
David
P.S. -- I apologize if rementioning a topic is in
violation of TBUDL protocol, but we are all aware of
the support situation with TB, and the lack of a
manual in printed or PDF format. (At the risk of
sounding crass, I would LOVE to be able to "RTFM"!)
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Re: Try to find "Alow local delivery"

[Chris]

Paul Cartwright @ 2004-Sep-29 8:03:27 PM
"Try to find "Alow local delivery"" 

> I have multiple accounts, and multiple users on this PC ( me and
> wife). I copy her to many emails ( and vice versa) and CC myself to
> emails. those go faster when you allow local delivery. that means it
> doesn't leave the computer, just goes from one account right to the
> other. Why send a message outside to a server somewhere, when it
> belongs right here.

I've never had to do that because we have an internal mail server at
home. Sounds interesting, though.

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Re: "Pick an e-mail address" display problem

[Chris]

John Phillips @ 2004-Sep-29 6:15:41 AM
""Pick an e-mail address" display problem" 

> Is this a known fault or only me?

It is a known bug and has been fixed in the latest beta.

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"Pick an e-mail address" display problem

[John Phillips]

Hi Bat! Fans,

Since upgrading to V3.0 and Windoze XP SP2 (don't know which one is the
problem) I am having weird display problems in the "Pick an e-mail" address
window.

Where previously arrows appeared to enable the picking or un-picking of an
address, now I get in order (under each other)

4

44

3

33

r

s

Is this a known fault or only me?

Have not changed my resolution at all. (1024 x 768)

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Re: Try to find "Alow local delivery"

[Paul Cartwright]

Hello Chris,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 6:14:18 PM, you wrote:

>> Here is a little test. Try to find "Alow local delivery" in the TB!
>> settings.

C> 

>> If you are searching for it by now you will find it under Options->Network
>> & Admin.

C> What does it do? It seems to be related to The Bat! networking (which
C> I have not explored), but you comments make it seem like it has
C> something to do with individual accounts.

I have multiple accounts, and multiple users on this PC ( me and wife).
I copy her to many emails ( and vice versa) and CC myself to emails.
those go faster when you allow local delivery. that means it doesn't
leave the computer, just goes from one account right to the other.
Why send a message outside to a server somewhere, when it belongs right
here.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: SpamPal or K9?)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Steve,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:40:06 -0700GMT (30-9-2004, 0:40 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SMK> Michael,



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Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
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This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
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You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
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Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
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Mod: Top posting (was: SpamPal or K9?)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Steve,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:40:06 -0700GMT (30-9-2004, 0:40 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SMK> Michael,

SMK> I really like K9 (& POPFile), but to conserve resources on this old system I'm


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This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list
because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
   top of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
part separately and follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Steve & Mary King]

Michael,

I really like K9 (& POPFile), but to conserve resources on this old system I'm
trying the plug-in Achim Winklers BayesFilter,
http://www.lkcc.org/achim/download/bayesfilter1.5.4.exe.  So far it seems to
be almost as good as K9, but learns slower.  I did better with the older
versions of BayesIt than the present ones, so I gave up on it.

Steve . . .

 Michael, Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 10:06:27 PM, you wrote:==

> Hi,

> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
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Re: Try to find "Alow local delivery"

[Chris]

Gerard @ 2004-Sep-29 4:32:54 PM
"Try to find "Alow local delivery"" 

> Here is a little test. Try to find "Alow local delivery" in the TB!
> settings.



> If you are searching for it by now you will find it under Options->Network
> & Admin.

What does it do? It seems to be related to The Bat! networking (which
I have not explored), but you comments make it seem like it has
something to do with individual accounts.

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Re: Try to find "Alow local delivery"

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Gerard,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:32:54 +0200GMT (29-9-2004, 22:32 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

G> Here is a little test.

That's easy, you've got a new address.

G> Try to find "Alow local delivery" in the TB! settings. If you are
G> searching for it by now you will find it under Options->Network &
G> Admin.

That's where I would look for it. It's a network setting, isn't it?

G> I always look for it under Account->properties>Transport and
G> Mail management.

That's hardly logical, after all it isn't an account specific setting.
Would you like to set it for every account?
Or to be more specific. Suppose you've got two accounts, one with
local delivery enabled and one with local delivery disabled. Your
writing a mail from the enabled to the disabled account. What should
TB do? Do a local delivery, because that's what the sending account
wants or don't do a local delivery, because the receiving account
doesn't want it?
That's why it's in the global network settings and not in the account
properties.


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Re: How to get rid of "New" and "Total" in folder bar?

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Ralph,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 8:28:01 PM, you wrote:

R> can  i somehow get rid of "New" and "Total" in the folder bar? i don't
R> need those two...

I think you refer to the Unread and Total columns. You can reduce the
size of those 2 columns until they disappear completely.

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Re[4]: SpamPal or K9?

[Lynn]

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 2:18:26 PM, you wrote:

IL> Go to BayesIt home page and download the database from
IL> them. Load it up, and you will see the difference.

It's worth a try ... thanks!


Ummm .. I wrote that before I'd discovered that I can't
find the home page. I went back through recent posts, but
the only dl's I can find are at (or through) the ritlabs
page ..?

Help ..?

tia -

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Re: Try to find "Alow local delivery"

[Paul Cartwright]

Hello Gerard,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 4:32:54 PM, you wrote:


G> If you are searching for it by now you will find it under Options->Network
G> & Admin.

G> I always look for it under Account->properties>Transport and
G> Mail management.

G> Can I get some support for this so I can ask for a change?

I've changed this a few times myself, and I agree with you!!

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Re[3]: SpamPal or K9?

[Ivan Latysh]

Hello Lynn,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 11:55:52 AM, you wrote:

> How would you deal with an account which has very little
> legit traffic, but seems to be a spam magnet?

> I have shifted some messages from other accounts and
> marked them 'not junk', when I remember, but it's not very
> convenient to have do that. The account gets no list mail.
I doubt that moving messages and marking them as not junk would help.
Analyze your good traffic and make sure that you didn't mark any good
e-mail as junk, it would result bad sorting. It you are not sure, kill
the bayes database and create a new one. (make a backup first !).

Most of the problems that user's describe here is result of
classifying mistakes, and when user switch to another application they
tend to not make such mistakes or make a few, that doesn't screw the database.

Go to BayesIt home page and download the database from them.
Load it up, and you will see the difference.

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Re: POPFile - selective use?

[Dave Gorman]

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Wouldn't this be accomplished through your TB! mail account settings?
The accounts you want to access through POPFile you would use 127.0.0.1
as your POP server with the appropriate username settings. The accounts
you don't want to access through POPFile, you would set up to access the
POP server directly.
Yes that's right, I was just checking that it's not going to screw
something up if some are doing one thing and others another.
I can't think of any reason it would screw anything up (although I've 
been wrong before...). I seem to recall having done this very thing when 
I was using POP accounts.

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Re: how to auto-mark moved mails as read?

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Alexander,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:24:53 +0200GMT Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> yes,  they  are  common  folers, but i can't find the setting for that
>> option anywhere...

> Select any common folder, then press CTRL-ALT-P to bring up the "account"
> properties for the common folders. This setting applies to all common
> folders.

You meant CTRL-SHIFT-P, did you?

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Re[2]: POPFile - selective use?

[admin]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> DO you think I can install POPFile (again) but this time only have it
>> proxying for some accounts and leave others to not be proxied?

> Wouldn't this be accomplished through your TB! mail account settings?
> The accounts you want to access through POPFile you would use 127.0.0.1
> as your POP server with the appropriate username settings. The accounts
> you don't want to access through POPFile, you would set up to access the
> POP server directly.

Yes that's right, I was just checking that it's not going to screw
something up if some are doing one thing and others another.

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Try to find "Alow local delivery"

[Gerard]

Hi Bat Users,

Here is a little test. Try to find "Alow local delivery" in the TB!
settings.

Each and every time I need to disable this function for testing purposes
I find myself trying to remember were it was located.
Do you know were it is?
And if you do, do you think it is a logical location?

If you are searching for it by now you will find it under Options->Network
& Admin.

I always look for it under Account->properties>Transport and
Mail management.

Can I get some support for this so I can ask for a change?

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Re: How to get rid of "New" and "Total" in folder bar?

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Ralph,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:11:58 +0200GMT Ralph wrote:

R>>> can  i somehow get rid of "New" and "Total" in the folder bar? i don't
R>>> need those two...

>> View- Columns??
>> you can select the ones you want, and the order they go in.

> no,   that's   not   what   i   meant.   the   left-most   window  (in
> default-settings) with all your accounts and folders has three columns
> "Folders",  "New"  and  "Total".  And  i  don't want to see the latter
> two...

draw the "Folders" with the mouse as wide as your window and the two
left columns will vanish.

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Lynn & everyone else

29-Sep-2004 21:50, you wrote:

> No doubt you are right, but I'm having some trouble
> training some my correspondents to use the other address
> :-(

They'll learn when they get the "no mailbox here by that name" responder...
;-)

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Re: how to auto-mark moved mails as read?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Ralph & everyone else

29-Sep-2004 21:53, you wrote:

> yes,  they  are  common  folers, but i can't find the setting for that
> option anywhere...

Select any common folder, then press CTRL-ALT-P to bring up the "account"
properties for the common folders. This setting applies to all common
folders.

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Re: How to get rid of "New" and "Total" in folder bar?

[Ralph]

Hello Paul Cartwright,

@Mittwoch, 29. September 2004, 22:03 you wrote:

> Hello Ralph,

> Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 3:28:01 PM, you wrote:

R>> can  i somehow get rid of "New" and "Total" in the folder bar? i don't
R>> need those two...

> View- Columns??

> you can select the ones you want, and the order they go in.


no,   that's   not   what   i   meant.   the   left-most   window  (in
default-settings) with all your accounts and folders has three columns
"Folders",  "New"  and  "Total".  And  i  don't want to see the latter
two...

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Re: How to get rid of "New" and "Total" in folder bar?

[Paul Cartwright]

Hello Ralph,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 3:28:01 PM, you wrote:

R> can  i somehow get rid of "New" and "Total" in the folder bar? i don't
R> need those two...

View- Columns??

you can select the ones you want, and the order they go in.

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Re: how to auto-mark moved mails as read?

[Ralph]

Hello Stuart Cuddy,

@Mittwoch, 29. September 2004, 21:38 you wrote:

> Hello Ralph,
> Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 2:26:14 PM, you wrote:

R>> a  lot  of  my  mails  are  filtered and moved to (sub-)folders when i
R>> receive  them.  However,  when  i click them in their (sub-)folders, i
R>> want  them  to be marked as read after 2 seconds - just like the mails
R>> in my inbox.

R>> How can i do that?


> That property is set in the Account/Properties/Options Mark as read
> when it is being read for x Seconds. This should work for all folders
> in the account. If these are Common Folders then they have their own
> Properties for that folder.


yes,  they  are  common  folers, but i can't find the setting for that
option anywhere...

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Re[2]: SpamPal or K9?

[Lynn]

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 10:13:11 AM, you wrote:

RO> Yep, anything that gets far more spam than legit
RO> mail isn't worth
RO> maintaining.


No doubt you are right, but I'm having some trouble
training some my correspondents to use the other address
:-(

I'll NAG them! lol!

tnx,

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Re: POPFile - selective use?

[Dave Gorman]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DO you think I can install POPFile (again) but this time only have it
proxying for some accounts and leave others to not be proxied?
Wouldn't this be accomplished through your TB! mail account settings? 
The accounts you want to access through POPFile you would use 127.0.0.1 
as your POP server with the appropriate username settings. The accounts 
you don't want to access through POPFile, you would set up to access the 
POP server directly.

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Re: how to auto-mark moved mails as read?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Ralph,
Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 2:26:14 PM, you wrote:

R> a  lot  of  my  mails  are  filtered and moved to (sub-)folders when i
R> receive  them.  However,  when  i click them in their (sub-)folders, i
R> want  them  to be marked as read after 2 seconds - just like the mails
R> in my inbox.

R> How can i do that?


That property is set in the Account/Properties/Options Mark as read
when it is being read for x Seconds. This should work for all folders
in the account. If these are Common Folders then they have their own
Properties for that folder.

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[Ralph]

Hello,

can  i somehow get rid of "New" and "Total" in the folder bar? i don't
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[Ralph]

Hello,

a  lot  of  my  mails  are  filtered and moved to (sub-)folders when i
receive  them.  However,  when  i click them in their (sub-)folders, i
want  them  to be marked as read after 2 seconds - just like the mails
in my inbox.

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Re: Filtering inside JUNK folder

[Nikola Knezevic]

Dan, ovo si ti izjavio [29.9.2004, 7:50:03 PM]:
DG> Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:03:30 +0200 (4:03 AM EDT here) Nikola Knezevic wrote:

>> is this a bug or a feature. I've set up a filter as
>> described (in Read messages). It works only when I start it
>> manually. When I mark all messages in JUNK as read (because filter
>> sets only some of them as unread), exit Bat! and return, all
>> messages remain read, allthough the condition of the filter is to
>> mark as unread all messages with status read (+ some extra
>> conditins).

DG> This might work for you:

DG> 1. If you want your Junk mail to remain in a folder when you exit
DG>TheBat!, create a file for that purpose. Let's call the folder
DG>SavedJunk. (If you want your Junk mail to remain in a folder when
DG>you exit TheBat!, skip this step.)

DG> 2. Highlight the Junk mail (not the SavedJunk folder).

No, no, thats OK, my Junk remains in Junk folder (actually, it remains
there for one day), but thats not important.
Important thing is that I've set up a filter (a discussed in previous
messages - Read), which will mark all messages inside JUNK folder as
unread, _if_ their status is read and Recipient is one of my emails.
So far, it works only if I manually refilter JUNK folder (although the
filter is set to active). Then, if I mark all messages inside JUNK
folder to read, after exiting The Bat! and restarting it again, all the
messages in JUNK folder remain read. But I thought they should be
refiltered...

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 29-Sep-04 6:29am -0400, Thorvald Neumann wrote:
> Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 12:50, Roelof Otten wrote:

>> Header matches Subject:\s*\n

> Wouldn't "\s*\n" also catch " Here begins the subject\n"?

Indeed it would.  A better choice might be:

Header field - Subject - match - ^\s*$

Not only does this match empty or blank Subject lines, it
also matches mails without a Subject line.

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POPFile - selective use?

[admin]

I have loads of email accountsto check.

DO you think I can install POPFile (again) but this time only have it
proxying for some accounts and leave others to not be proxied?

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Re: Filtering inside JUNK folder

[Dan Grunberg]

Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:03:30 +0200 (4:03 AM EDT here) Nikola Knezevic wrote:

> is this a bug or a feature. I've set up a filter as
> described (in Read messages). It works only when I start it
> manually. When I mark all messages in JUNK as read (because filter
> sets only some of them as unread), exit Bat! and return, all
> messages remain read, allthough the condition of the filter is to
> mark as unread all messages with status read (+ some extra
> conditins).

This might work for you:

1. If you want your Junk mail to remain in a folder when you exit
   TheBat!, create a file for that purpose. Let's call the folder
   SavedJunk. (If you want your Junk mail to remain in a folder when
   you exit TheBat!, skip this step.)

2. Highlight the Junk mail (not the SavedJunk folder).

   TheBat! => Folder => Properties

  [x] Maximum number of stored messages is 0

  [ ] Keep messages in base on exit

  [x] Remove old messages[x] compress folder

  If you created SavedJunk

  [Copy to]

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:06:27 -0700 (1:06 AM here), Michael L. Wilson
[MLW] wrote in :

MLW> I have to get off BayesIT! It learns way to slow. What do people
MLW> think of SpamPal or K9? I have tried both and like both...so,
MLW> what do others think?

I've used SpamPal for quite some time and really like it. I've
experimented with BayesIt and Bayes Filter. The plug in idea is
appealing, not having to run a relay and having the spam solution more
self contained. I never received the accuracy of SpamPal with either
of these solutions. Not to mention the stability problems that recent
BayesIt versions have had.

I use the Bayesian Filter, P2P, RegExFilter and URLBody plugins with
SpamPal. It never misclassifies good messages as spam and rarely
misses spam. On the rare miss, I can open the reclassify window to
learn the missed spam. It works very well upon initial setup.

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mica,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:04:25 +0200 GMT (29/09/2004, 22:04 +0700 GMT),
Mica Mijatovic wrote:

MM> Which reminds me that I have to go for the liver pasta now... It's good
MM> with ajvar/AJBAP.

http://faq.macedonia.org/cuisine/ajvar.html
http://www.recipeland.com/recipe/82/

Sounds good. :-)

Except liver pasta: I don't usually eat things from inside the body.
And especially not the liver, which is the filter that keeps all the
poison from circulating in the body, but storing a lot of them instead
of passing them on to the kidneys. So you get to eat the accumulated
does of those poisons by eating liver. What a treat.

f'up2tbot

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:52:34 -0700GMT (29-9-2004, 18:52 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> I'd drop it as soon as possible.
L> Drop what, the account?

Yep, anything that gets far more spam than legit mail isn't worth
maintaining.

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Re[5]: Security newby and yellow circles

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cristina,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

CR> There is still something I'm curious about: when I click on the
CR> question mark and the signature is verified, it normally turns into a
CR> green check mark. With Mica's messages the question mark disappears
CR> and a file attachment appears saying OK - PGP Verified.

I'm not sure but I think it's the way the message is signed as to what
way the verification is shown but I'm sure I'll be corrected.

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Re[2]: SpamPal or K9?

[Lynn]

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 9:10:36 AM, you wrote:

RO> I'd drop it as soon as possible.

Drop what, the account?

I suppose it's worth considering ...

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Re[2]: Message header widths

[admin]

> Dear Marten,

> Explore the whole vast range of options available to you using "View
> modes". You can select columns, set widths, threading, sort orders and
> apply them on mass to all, selected and tree branches of folders.

Heh hey!! So that's what View Modes is all about! Something new every
day!

Thanks

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:55:52 -0700GMT (29-9-2004, 17:55 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

L> How would you deal with an account which has very little
L> legit traffic, but seems to be a spam magnet?

I'd drop it as soon as possible.

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Re[2]: SpamPal or K9?

[Lynn]

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 5:42:48 AM, you wrote:

IL> 10-20 messages and 90% accuracy of filtering.
IL>  A few hints, if you have subscribed to any mailing
IL> lists, don't mark
IL> messages as NOT Junk, put them in white list.
IL>  White list and black list what you can and let the
IL> filter to deal
IL> with rest, works for 99.97% in a week.


How would you deal with an account which has very little
legit traffic, but seems to be a spam magnet?

I have shifted some messages from other accounts and
marked them 'not junk', when I remember, but it's not very
convenient to have do that. The account gets no list mail.

The other accounts seems to be fairly efficient ..

tia ..

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Re[2]: How do I know BayesIT is learning anything?

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Neal,

Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 5:58:14 PM, you wrote:

NL> One way is to look at the statistics BayesIt generates. The would be
NL> found here:

Options >> Preferences > Plug-ins > BayesIt > Information

NL> Highlight the BayesIt plugin and click the info button and you will
NL> see a large amount of data pertaining to BayesIt's actions. This is
NL> were I would start anyhow.

That is definitely the place to go to see what it is doing in a fairly
understandable way.

Another thing to do is look in Bayesit's log file. There you can see
what it did with every message in the last message get. Mine is in
C:\My Documents\BatMail\bayesit.  But be warned, it is pretty obtuse
stuff in there 

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Re: How to filter such a message?

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 29 Sep 2004,
   @  @  at 14:28:39 +0200, when Thorvald Neumann wrote:

>> Interesting part is MID as well.

> Yes, I was also stumbling on this. I will watch this over the next
> days. There was only one occurence in the last 130 spam mails...

I have a folder for Punks ("junk mail") where I manually add those
pearls. And then occasionally, when I get in dirty Harry mode, I make a
raid and inspect them for patterns. It worked for me that fine that
today I receive about 50:50 spam:regular mail, and almost all this spam
is deleted from server. This what I still don't catch is about 2-3 spam
letters per day (24 hours), of about 300-400 of regular ones. No one
"false positive" ever. Yet. (I shudder on "false positive", and this is
the reason I do not use any "antispam" software.)


> I am not very experienced with RegExp either (I guess it is too
> abstract for my mind)...

I still can't get with (all) English terms they're defined by, and have
no time to "experiment" practically. Similarly as with English math
terms. These "expert" terms in general are my "weak side". But nothing
hurts that much as "expert" terms applied in cocking. If I can't find a
term for "garlic" and am using "onion" instead, or am mixing "roasting",
"frying", "baking", and "boiling" and "stewing" - that's a REAL pain.
This way you might get a real mess for lunch. It hurts...

Which reminds me that I have to go for the liver pasta now... It's good
with ajvar/AJBAP.

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Re: Message header widths

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Marten,

@29-Sep-2004, 16:29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [MG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... 

MG> I guess there's a default for new folders but what when I've got 158
MG> folders and I want them all the same after they've all become
MG> different.

Explore the whole vast range of options available to you using "View
modes". You can select columns, set widths, threading, sort orders and
apply them on mass to all, selected and tree branches of folders.

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Re[2]: SpamPal or K9?

[Code 2]

>> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
>> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
>> others think?

IL>  Most probable that it been taught badly.
IL>  It doesn't meter which one program do you use, K9, POPFile, ... all of
IL> them have exactly the same logic.
IL>  The big difference is how you teach your program.
IL>  My suggestion, delete BayesIT database and teach it again, but do it
IL> carefully. 10-20 messages and 90% accuracy of filtering.
IL>  A few hints, if you have subscribed to any mailing lists, don't mark
IL> messages as NOT Junk, put them in white list.
IL>  White list and black list what you can and let the filter to deal
IL> with rest, works for 99.97% in a week.

Michael, I dumped BayesIt yesterday afternoon and switched to K9.
After three months of training BayesIt with thousands of spam and
non-spam messages, it gave me about 10% accuracy.  Half a day of K9,
and I'm at 90.4% accuracy.  It's not a training problem with BayesIt,
in my opinion, it's the software.

I've used SpamPal for several months on another computer and it does a
very nice job.  I don't recall it ever making a mistake.

Although they work on different filtering principles, I think you'd be
happy with either K9 or SpamPal.

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Re: Message header widths

[admin]

> Given my problem with dragging header widths makes them disappear
> completely to 0 width...

> ...how can I adjust all folders at once?

> The View - Message Headers only operate on the currently displayed
> folder.

I meant View - Message List Columns (not Headers)

> I guess there's a default for new folders but what when I've got 158
> folders and I want them all the same after they've all become
> different.

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Message header widths

[admin]

Given my problem with dragging header widths makes them disappear
completely to 0 width...

...how can I adjust all folders at once?

The View - Message Headers only operate on the currently displayed
folder.

I guess there's a default for new folders but what when I've got 158
folders and I want them all the same after they've all become
different.

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Re[3]: Full backup includes filters?

[admin]

Filter backing up

> Does not work for me either!

Thorvald says it does work - he's using Win 2000

Those that say it doesn't are using Win XP.

Connection?

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Re: Full backup includes filters?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 16:50, Kevin Amazon wrote:
> Interesting. Doesn't work for me.

That's strange.

I did a backup today morning, because I had problems with automated
message removal and decided to completely reinstall TB!.

Tools/Backup, chosen all options and saved it to a new backup file.

Completely uninstalled TB!, removed registry settings, new fresh
install and applied the backup.

All accounts, emails and filters are there. Otherwise it would have
been a really bad surprise for me, I am heavily relying on my filters...

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Re[2]: Full backup includes filters?

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Kevin,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 7:50:43 AM, you wrote:

>> Just did the same today morning... ;)

> Interesting. Doesn't work for me.

Does not work for me either!

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Re: Full backup includes filters?

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Thorvald Neumann

-
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, at 13:23:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:23 AM where
I live) you wrote:

>> Just cehcking - if I do a full backup with everything everywhere
>> ticked, doe the filters (account specific, and global) get backed up
>> to and thus restored when necessary?

> Yes.

> Just did the same today morning... ;)

Interesting. Doesn't work for me.

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Re[4]: Security newby and yellow circles

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Richard,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 4:25:18 AM, you wrote:

RW> Gosh you did all that very quickly and efficiently. Very impressive 'cos
RW> it took me a couple of days to get PGP sorted out properly.

I had many people helping and still have 4 messages on the
subject parked, including yours with that long list of reading assignments. :)

(One of the things I like in TB is the Park feature. The only
programme I saw with a similar feature was Forte Agent newsreader).

I had also googled a bit and read some stuff in several sites. My
major problem was downloading the PGP programme file. I was constantly
being redirected to an error page saying my computer was behind a
firewall, etc.

The programme itself is pretty easy and installed fast and smoothly.

There is still something I'm curious about: when I click on the
question mark and the signature is verified, it normally turns into a
green check mark. With Mica's messages the question mark disappears
and a file attachment appears saying OK - PGP Verified.

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Re: Copying filter to email - url encoding?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thorvald,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:19:52 +0200GMT (29-9-2004, 14:19 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

TN> When I copy a filter to an email, I get this:

>>  TB! Message Filter 

TN> Is it normal TB! uses the url encoding method?

Yes, though I'd use this filter, but that's a matter of taste:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [572F4B80.01C4A623.1236FB25.3DC27FBE]
Name: tbbeta
Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MoveMessage folder \5C\5Caccountname\5CTB!\20Beta\20ML
IsContinue
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendQueue
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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Ivan Latysh]

Hello Michael,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 1:06:27 AM, you wrote:

> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
> others think?

 Most probable that it been taught badly.
 It doesn't meter which one program do you use, K9, POPFile, ... all of
them have exactly the same logic.
 The big difference is how you teach your program.
 My suggestion, delete BayesIT database and teach it again, but do it
carefully. 10-20 messages and 90% accuracy of filtering.
 A few hints, if you have subscribed to any mailing lists, don't mark
messages as NOT Junk, put them in white list.
 White list and black list what you can and let the filter to deal
with rest, works for 99.97% in a week.

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Ludovic LE MOAL]

Hi,

On Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 10:43:53 AM, Sander van den Berg wrote:

> Onetime, there was a free program called "SAproxy", but a while ago it has
> gone commercial

I used to use it but it was very very slow. Then I test K9 which was
by far better and then BayesIt. Now, I use BayesFilter which works
fine.
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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 14:07, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
>>> Message-ID:  SNIP <---

> Interesting part is MID as well.

Yes, I was also stumbling on this. I will watch this over the next
days. There was only one occurence in the last 130 spam mails...

> The latter example could be filtered simply, by a MID containing "<%",
> while the previous one, " should be *checked*, since I am not so good with regexp) that in this
> case regexp would be in a form " Filtering against an empty subject would work also (probably as Roelof
> suggested) but rare are spam messages using it (and often "friends"
> leave this field blank too).

That's why I am wanting to filter against an empty subject AND the
absence of a from address. Lately, some SPAM mails sneak by having no
subject nor from address, and sometimes even no body.

Normally my contacts at least use a FROM. ;)

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Re: All message deleted by filter !

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 29 Sep 2004,
   @  @  at 12:12:41 +0200, when WilWilWil wrote:

> Great ! You help me ! it's incredible. I can now test easily my
> filters with this Mail Dispatcher I didn't know, and MORE, you save me
> with log and CTRL+SHIFT+A I didn't known to ! You save me because I
> 've found in the log file all senders of mails during this week. You
> save me because there was an employer that I can contact now !

> Thanks Thanks Thanks  !

My face is a mirror of your happiness. (-:

I hope you'll find a fine job, soon.

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 29 Sep 2004,
   @  @  at 12:28:22 +0200, when Thorvald Neumann wrote:

> Hæ!

> How do I filter such messages?

>> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Received: (qmail 24958 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -
>> Received: from unknown ([62.67.200.159])
>>   by ..de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -
>> Delivered-To: CLUSTERHOST ..de [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Received: (qmail 5765 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -
>> Received: from unknown (HELO 10.20.58.6) ([213.172.57.122])
>>   (envelope-sender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>>   by ..de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP
>>   for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 29 Sep 2004 10:18:14 -
>> Received: from 14.56.123.62 by ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:22:18 +0100
>> Message-ID: > Subject:

> They do not have a subject and a sender.

> Should I filter on "Header does not contain From:"? What do I have to
> use for a blank subject?

Interesting part is MID as well. I didn't find any "regular" MID
starting with a letter after "<", since they start most usually (and
perhaps always?) with a digit. The syntax "http://pgp.mit.edu/> once just before breakfast
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Copying filter to email - url encoding?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

When I copy a filter to an email, I get this:

>  TB! Message Filter 
> beginFilter
> UID: [45398AB0.01C4A5F7.60AE2D5B.7DAA52CB]
> Name: tbbeta
> Filter: {0\0D\0A0`5`2`Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> MoveMessage folder \5C\5Caccountname\5CTB!\20Beta\20ML
> IsContinue
> IsActive
> Ignore
> IsSendQueue
> endFilter

Is it normal TB! uses the url encoding method?

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 13:41, Roelof Otten wrote:
> But when you've got a contact who is so clueless that he uses no
> From: header (remember our first condition) and ends his subject
> with a colon, then he deserves no better than being caught by your
> spamfilter. ;-)

I am glad those people are not my contacts... ;)

Filter active... let's wait and see what happens... ;)

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Re[2]: How to filter such a message?

[Joe]

Hello Roelof,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 7:41:02 AM, you wrote:

> Hallo Thorvald,

> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:29:22 +0200GMT (29-9-2004, 13:29 +0200, where I
> live), you wrote:

>>> Header matches Subject:\s*\n
TN>> Wouldn't "\s*\n" also catch " Here begins the subject\n"?

> I meant to search in headers (not in subject) for the condition
> "Subject:\s*\n" and that won't be triggered by your example.
> Of course it would be triggered by something like this:
> Subject: Why do we use the header Subject:
> But when you've got a contact who is so clueless that he uses no From:
> header (remember our first condition) and ends his subject with a
> colon, then he deserves no better than being caught by your
> spamfilter. ;-)

I know this is most likely not the best way to do this, but this filter worked for 
me...

Sender contains none of @
AND Recipient contains none of @
AND Subject contains none of a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

This works OK... might be better to us a regular expression in the Subject to get all 
upper and lower case and special chars.


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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thorvald,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:29:22 +0200GMT (29-9-2004, 13:29 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Header matches Subject:\s*\n
TN> Wouldn't "\s*\n" also catch " Here begins the subject\n"?

I meant to search in headers (not in subject) for the condition
"Subject:\s*\n" and that won't be triggered by your example.
Of course it would be triggered by something like this:
Subject: Why do we use the header Subject:
But when you've got a contact who is so clueless that he uses no From:
header (remember our first condition) and ends his subject with a
colon, then he deserves no better than being caught by your
spamfilter. ;-)

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 12:50, Roelof Otten wrote:
> Header matches Subject:\s*\n

Wouldn't "\s*\n" also catch " Here begins the subject\n"?

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Re[2]: Full backup includes filters?

[admin]

> Hæ!

> doe the filters (account specific, and global) get backed up
>> to and thus restored when necessary?

> Yes.

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Re: Full backup includes filters?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 13:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just cehcking - if I do a full backup with everything everywhere
> ticked, doe the filters (account specific, and global) get backed up
> to and thus restored when necessary?

Yes.

Just did the same today morning... ;)

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Full backup includes filters?

[admin]

Just cehcking - if I do a full backup with everything everywhere
ticked, doe the filters (account specific, and global) get backed up
to and thus restored when necessary?

It's just that it doesn't specifically say so in the backup selection
process.

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Re[3]: Fed up with BayesIt

[Mike]

Hi admin,
>> Hello Code,

>> Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 11:51:47 PM, you wrote:

>>> Can you guys suggest a better alternative?

>> http://popfile.sourceforge.net - its not a TB plugin, its a local
>> proxy. But it rawks! :-) Using it for 3 months now, >98% accuracy...

aacu> But are you checking more than six email accounts. I have had to give
aacu> up because the only six at a time business means that various
aacu> mailvoxes don't get checked when you've got more than six accoutns
aacu> tocheck.

aacu> I gather this is a Win thing partly and so I guess any proxying
aacu> 127.0.0.1 system is going to have the same problem.

I use K9, which is basically the same a POPFile (localhost proxy). I check 8 accounts, 
no problem. 99.99% on 11,000 e-mails in 6 months, low resource use too. (under 1800k 
mem and CPU use is negligible when checking mail... no IMAP though...).

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Re: How to filter such a message?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thorvald,

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:28:22 +0200GMT (29-9-2004, 12:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:


>> Subject:
TN> They do not have a subject and a sender.

TN> Should I filter on "Header does not contain From:"?

That's what I should do.

TN> What do I have to use for a blank subject?

Header matches Subject:\s*\n
Just a wild guess

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How to filter such a message?

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

How do I filter such messages?

> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Received: (qmail 24958 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -
> Received: from unknown ([62.67.200.159])
>   by ..de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -
> Delivered-To: CLUSTERHOST ..de [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Received: (qmail 5765 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -
> Received: from unknown (HELO 10.20.58.6) ([213.172.57.122])
>   (envelope-sender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>   by ..de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP
>   for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 29 Sep 2004 10:18:14 -
> Received: from 14.56.123.62 by ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:22:18 +0100
> Message-ID:  Subject:

They do not have a subject and a sender.

Should I filter on "Header does not contain From:"? What do I have to
use for a blank subject?

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Re[2]: All message deleted by filter !

[WilWilWil]

==Original message text===
From: Mica Mijatovic 
To: WilWilWil 
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 2:27:36 PM
Subject: All message deleted by filter !
MM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MM> Hash: SHA1

MM>***^\ ."_)~~
MM>  ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 28 Sep 2004,
MM>@  @  at 13:23:48 +0200, when WilWilWil wrote:

>> ==Original message text===
>> From: Mica Mijatovic
>> To: WilWilWil
>> Date: Monday, September 27, 2004, 3:03:26 PM
>> Subject: All message deleted by filter !

 That's the reason why I receive no maill from my friends since a week !!!

MM>>> A week is a lot for noticing this. Use Dispatcher, and you'll notice
MM>>> instantly (how the filters marked your mail).

>> ===End of original message text===
>> A week is a not a lot . I didn't want to say that I was in front of
>> my labtop during a week. I was in training all the week anf when I
>> come back home, I was in trouble to not see any mail received this
>> special week.

MM> Go to Account / Properties / Mail management / Mail Dispatcher, and then
MM> check:

MM> + Invoke automatically at each mail check

MM> + Show all messages left on the server
MM>
MM>  Fortunately, all the mail which
MM> was deleted was recorded in LOG file [Ctrl+Shift+A], so I could see what
MM> was important in there and could ask the senders to send their letters
MM> again.)
===End of original message text===

Great ! You help me ! it's incredible. I can now test easily my filters with this Mail 
Dispatcher I didn't know, and MORE, you save me with log and CTRL+SHIFT+A I didn't 
known to ! You save me because I 've found in the log file all senders of mails during 
this week. You save me because there was an employer that I can contact now !

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Re[2]: Fed up with BayesIt

[admin]

> Hello Code,

> Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 11:51:47 PM, you wrote:

>> Can you guys suggest a better alternative?

> http://popfile.sourceforge.net - its not a TB plugin, its a local
> proxy. But it rawks! :-) Using it for 3 months now, >98% accuracy...

But are you checking more than six email accounts. I have had to give
up because the only six at a time business means that various
mailvoxes don't get checked when you've got more than six accoutns
tocheck.

I gather this is a Win thing partly and so I guess any proxying
127.0.0.1 system is going to have the same problem.

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Nick Dutton]

>> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
>> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
>> others think?

M> Try POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/), It has been running for
M> me with 99.82% accuracy for over one year.

For the record POPFile v0.22.0 has a much improved database and is
noticeably quicker.

  http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=266476


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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Prezes]

Hello,
Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 7:06:27 AM, you wrote:

MLW> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
MLW> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
MLW> others think?

K9 is more better than SpamPal for me (near 100% accurancy) but you
shuold try both and then choose better for you.

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Sander,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 9:43:53 AM, you wrote:
SvdB>>> But, to be honest, I would prefer a freeware Windows version of SpamAssassin.
SvdB>>> But it does not exist... :-(

ND>> SA is just perl, I had it running nicely OK on a PC a couple of years
ND>> back.

SvdB> I know, I had it running too (it was called "Pop3Proxy"). But it
SvdB> didn't use all the extensions like a full installation of
SvdB> SpamAssassin on a unix system.

I think that you're wrong.  SpamAssassin *is* only perl.  If you have
perl on your PC then you can run the real deal.  There are a few
issues with pipelining etc and getting all the perl modules requires a
bit of CPAN knowledge.

Pop3Proxy and others were packaged products that took the pain out of
getting perl/SA installed in Win32.

Do that google - then get back to me...


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Re: Fed up with BayesIt

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Code,

Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 11:51:47 PM, you wrote:

> Can you guys suggest a better alternative?

http://popfile.sourceforge.net - its not a TB plugin, its a local
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Re[2]: SpamPal or K9?

[Sander van den Berg]

On 29-9-2004, 10:25, Nick Dutton wrote:

ND> Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 8:30:55 AM, you wrote:
SvdB>> But, to be honest, I would prefer a freeware Windows version of SpamAssassin.
SvdB>> But it does not exist... :-(
ND>
ND> SA is just perl, I had it running nicely OK on a PC a couple of years
ND> back.
ND>
ND> Have a google on it...

I know, I had it running too (it was called "Pop3Proxy"). But it didn't use
all the extensions like a full installation of SpamAssassin on a unix system.
Therefore, it was not as effective as it should be.
Onetime, there was a free program called "SAproxy", but a while ago it has
gone commercial: http://www.statalabs.com/products/saproxy/

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Sander,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 8:30:55 AM, you wrote:
SvdB> But, to be honest, I would prefer a freeware Windows version of SpamAssassin.
SvdB> But it does not exist... :-(

SA is just perl, I had it running nicely OK on a PC a couple of years
back.

Have a google on it...


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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Michael,

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 7:06:27 AM, you wrote:

MLW> Hi,

MLW> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
MLW> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
MLW> others think?

Been using K9 for a year now. Never used SpamPal.

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[MAU]

Hello Michael,

> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
> others think?

Try POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/), It has been running for
me with 99.82% accuracy for over one year.

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Re: Filtering inside JUNK folder

[Nikola Knezevic]

Dan, ovo si ti izjavio [28.9.2004, 11:38:32 PM]:
>> But, as someone said, NFS doesn't quite work. Using this method,
>> I've made a filter which will mark all read messages (in JUNK folder
>> with my email as recipient) as unread. But it worked yesteday, and
>> today it isn't working... :)

>> BTW, what's the purpose of "Source folder" in filter conditions?


DG> A selectable Source folder allows messages, that already have been
DG> filtered and moved to any folder, to be filtered again by a Replied
DG> filter or a Read filter. The Replied or Read filtering becomes more
DG> efficient (faster), because only messages that already have been
DG> recognized by other filters will be filtered again.

Thanks.
BTW, is this a bug or a feature. I've set up a filter as described (in
Read messages).
It works only when I start it manually. When I mark all messages in JUNK
as read (because filter sets only some of them as unread), exit Bat! and
return, all messages remain read, allthough the condition of the filter
is to mark as unread all messages with status read (+ some extra
conditins).

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Michael,

On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 22:06 your local time, which was
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 06:06 my local time, Michael Wilson
[MLW] wrote;

MLW> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
MLW> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
MLW> others think?

I used SpamPal for just over a month and it worked very well. I ended up
moving to Bayes Filter for a couple of reasons;

1. When connecting with TLS and SpamPal, I also needed Stunnel
2. I wanted an all in one solution, and running TB!, SpamPal and Stunnel
wasn't really convienient.
3. I was having IMAP timeout issues

Other than that, it was a very effective program and pretty fast.
Although having said that, I'm more than happy with Bayes Filter since
I've made the move and especially since using the DNS list's similar to
SpamPal.

Stats so far;

HamMails:  5530
SpamMails: 1732
Detected Ham:  5014 (99.9%)
Detected Spam: 871 (99.3%)
FALSE Ham detected:  6
FALSE Spam detected: 2

I hope that helps.
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Re[2]: Mail filtering on IMAP folders?

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Allie,

On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 19:44 your local time, which was
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 01:44 my local time, Allie Martin [AM]
wrote;

AM> There's nothing you can do about this. This is how TB!'s IMAP
AM> filtering behaves at the moment.

8< Snipped a bit >8

AM> Otherwise, TB!'s IMAP is very frustrating when it comes to
AM> auto-filtering.

I have to agree, the filtering in IMAP is very poor at the moment. You
end up clicking on various folders chasing the filtered messages around.

:-(
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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Henk de Bruijn]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:06:27 -0700GMT (29-9-2004, 7:06 +0100, where I
live), Michael L. Wilson wrote:

> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
> others think?

I am working with Poptray 3.03 and Spampal 1.581 for almost a year and
pleased with both. Getting messages from the server is going pretty
quick.

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Re: SpamPal or K9?

[Sander van den Berg]

On 29-9-2004, 7:06, Michael L. Wilson wrote:

MLW> I have to get off BayesIT!  It learns way to slow.  What do people
MLW> think of SpamPal or K9?  I have tried both and like both...so, what do
MLW> others think?

Never used K9. I have used SpamPal for quite some time now. After a while,
when the Bayesian plugin has learned enough, it becomes almost flawless. And
if you don't like bayesian filtering, you can always choose not to use it and
rely on its blacklist system, regular expression filtering (plugin), URL
filtering (plugin), etc. etc.

But, to be honest, I would prefer a freeware Windows version of SpamAssassin.
But it does not exist... :-(

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Re: Mail filtering on IMAP folders?

[Spam]

> Spam, [S] wrote:

>> I posted a message earlier about mail filtering on IMAP folders. I
>> am using The Bat! 3 and it seem as the mail filters only activate if
>> I click on the Inbox folder. The mail is still received as normally
>> and I get a "new mail" icon in the system tray. The problem is the
>> filters which do not activate unless I click on the Inbox folder.
>> When I do I can see messages moved to Trash and other folders.

> There's nothing you can do about this. This is how TB!'s IMAP
> filtering behaves at the moment. You could check to see if your ISP
> offers a webmail access to your account and if so, check if you can
> filter from there. In this way you could do some of the filtering at
> the server level. Otherwise, TB!'s IMAP is very frustrating when it
> comes to auto-filtering.

  Seriously, this would seem to be a severe flaw in The Bat! The whole
  idea with filtering is its automation instead of have to do things
  manually.

  Is this going to change anytime soon? It's not like The Bat! doesn't
  receive messages. It does, and it tells me I have new messages too.

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