Re: Application associations not holding.
Hello steverio, Thursday, December 29, 2005, 5:40:43 PM, you wrote: s> See if that works Thanks for taking the time to type all that out. I will give it a go. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Templates
Hello Robert, On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:25:47 -0500 GMT (30/12/2005, 01:25 +0700 GMT), Robert D. wrote: RD> Wrt the Cyrillic thread I started, I'd discovered that if I used a Reply RD> Template series from januk, that the transfer of the original text TO the RD> %Clipboard was perhaps the culprit causing Cyrillic to appear as gibberish in RD> the quoted text .. I follow this thread with interest. I don't know the original templates from Januk (is he still on this list?), but now it becoems clear. If you copy to Clipboard and then paste from there, the encoding will get lost, that is true. I also cannot copy Spanish letters via ctrl-C and then paste them into a mail I'm editing via ctrl-V, they would show as question marks (so I have to open the charset to use those letters, which is annoying at times). I understand that this is a Windows shortcoming and not TBs fault. If you reply to a mail, TB will use the same charset (if available). It's your reply template that messes it up. -- Cheers, Thomas. Umfriend: Sexual relationship; "this is Dale, my ... um ...friend". http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Massive Memory Consumption
I'm using 3.64.01 right now, but this problem has been happening at least since 3.5. Basically, my machine has 1gig of RAM and a 1.4gig paging file. Under normal circumstances I'm using about 300megs of RAM and 400 or so megs of of the paging file. When I start TB up usage of everything spikes to the full gig of RAM consumed and the full 1.4gigs of paging file used. I shut TB down and usage returns to normal. Checking Process Explorer I can confirm that the memory is being consumed by TB. Usage of RAM usually ticks down gradually, but the paging file will remain pegged. Any thoughts? -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Application associations not holding.
Darrin... On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:32:43 -0800, you wrote: >Hello friends, > >I have tbat pro running on a 3 user winxp system. It runs fine on my >user account. But on a second Im having some problems. > >In Options-Preferences-Applications, the four boxes which should be >checked are not. I check them, apply the associations and click yes to >verify. Then once thebat is shut down and restarted, the boxes are >unchecked again. Seems to only be on this one user account in windows. >The other two accounts I have are fine. Anyone have some thoughts on >how to correct this? I'm not sure what is happening here unless maybe another program is re-associating these extensions. If all else fails, you can try this, if you wish, using windows search function or just find the file types in windows explorer: 1. Click "Start" 2. Click "Search" 3. Click "All files and folders" 4. Type in box below "Search by any or all of the criteria below" the following: .msg,.eml,.vcf 5. Select your local hard drive below "Look in" 6. Click "Search" 7. As soon as the 3 file types appear, stop the search or wait until it finishes 8. Then separately, Shift/Right Click on one of each of the 3 file types (.msg,.eml,.vcf) 9. Select "Open With" 10. Then select "Choose Program" and a windows dialog box opens 11. Scroll to "The Bat E-Mail Client" and select (highlight) or "Browse" to the TB executible, if you need to 12. Then tick the box next to "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file" 13. Click "OK" 14. Open Options-Preferences-Applications in TB and tick all 4 boxes again plus tick the box next to "Check that The Bat! is the defaut mail client upon startup" 15. Click "OK" 16. Close TB and reopen 17. If TB is not associated as the default mail client, a dialog window will open asking if you want it to be then click "Yes" See if that works -- steverio TB!v3.64.01 Christmas Edition TBV!v3.64.01 Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 OTFE Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Recently, Alexander S. Kunz squawked: > When you view the message, press ALT+5 or use the right-button menu OK ... but note that neither Alt key plus the 5 key yielded any results. Right-Click Context worked fine and I selected Auto-Detect [Alt+5] shown heheheheh, like I said though, it didn't cause anything to transpire on this WinME sys. -- Regards, Robert D. Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Issues
Hi Thomas, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, 4:38:26 PM, you wrote: TF> I'd suggest to just create a new BT entry. I've re-added the two private issues as public ones and added a note to each indicating that it is now a duplicate. Thanks for the advice. -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
Hello Edvinas Matiuaitis & everyone else, on 29-Dez-2005 at 18:31 you (Edvinas Matiuaitis) wrote: >> Question to Edvinas: are you using the Windows Editor by default? I don't >> see how you would convert the message to UTF-8 otherwise... ?! > Well, my default editor is MicroEd. In case there are chracters which > MicroEd can't display, I simply switch to Windows Editor. But how is the message being converted from KOI-8R to UTF-8 when you reply to it? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) First Law of Revision: Information necessitiating a change of design will be conveyed to the designer after - and only after - the plans are complete. (Often called the 'Now They Tell Us' Law) Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Robert D. & everyone else, on 29-Dez-2005 at 18:13 you (Robert D.) wrote: > when I hit reply to that original (recent) Mica email, the status area > shows Cyrillic (Windows) not KOI8-R as I would expect. Odd. Did you disable all the custom reply templates you're using? I'm using a standard reply template with only few modifications (to add the comment and x-rogue header, no fancy things with re-flowing or whatever). > And when I drop it in the Outbox, I see my headers and charset: > X-Rogue: :Robert_D: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > which IS what the status bar area showed. However, TB did not encode as > the replied-to message was (charset) When you view the message, press ALT+5 or use the right-button menu and select "charset / auto detect" (thats what I'm doing). I don't know where else one could fiddle with the charset for replies. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The effort to understamnd the universe is one of the very few things that lift human life a little above the level of farce, and give it some of the grace of tragedy. -- Steven Weinberg Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else, on 29-Dez-2005 at 18:24 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote: > Here it works fine/regularly too. So, might be of some help to say your > settings, both as to TB and your OS, to Robert. All the information required is in the COMMENT header of my messages to the list. :-) The one major difference I can see is that Robert is using Windows ME while I'm using XP. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Anyone can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. -- Cicero Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Application associations not holding.
Hello friends, I have tbat pro running on a 3 user winxp system. It runs fine on my user account. But on a second Im having some problems. In Options-Preferences-Applications, the four boxes which should be checked are not. I check them, apply the associations and click yes to verify. Then once thebat is shut down and restarted, the boxes are unchecked again. Seems to only be on this one user account in windows. The other two accounts I have are fine. Anyone have some thoughts on how to correct this? -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
reply to myself: > look at this snapshot I just took and see that while the original is koi8-r, > TB! > [Or moi] switched to 1251 1252, and anyway, I see that the AB had a charset of Windows Cyrillic, perhaps from the continual testing I was doing an un-remembered byproduct ... noting I now have it set to koi8-r for the hell of it -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Templates
Recently, Darrin squawked: > Hello Robert, > Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:28:56 AM, you wrote: RD>> I thought I made a new thread. Someone change this to a new thread please !! > You did make a new thread. gosh ... I looked at the tread, then the new one I'd just written, and could have sworn that it was inside the other one. Ah, too much Wine last night I guess. Alas, you are correct. -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Templates
Hello Robert, Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:28:56 AM, you wrote: RD> I thought I made a new thread. Someone change this to a new thread please !! You did make a new thread. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
Recently, Edvinas Matiusaitis squawked: > Well, my default editor is MicroEd. In case there are chracters which > MicroEd can't display, I simply switch to Windows Editor. But doesn't the oroginal Charset remain the same? look at this snapshot I just took and see that while the original is koi8-r, TB! [Or moi] switched to 1251 www.denstarfarm.us/Public/TB_2.jpg -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Templates
I thought I made a new thread. Someone change this to a new thread please !! Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply Templates
Wrt the Cyrillic thread I started, I'd discovered that if I used a Reply Template series from januk, that the transfer of the original text TO the %Clipboard was perhaps the culprit causing Cyrillic to appear as gibberish in the quoted text .. And thus, I ask then, what is a good reply template which will filter out most junk from Yahoo, Google as well as cut-off the bottom AND have an adjustable wrap-limit I worry about text being jiggled because many of the people with whom I email, have alphabets with characters that, when changed, MIGHT even change the meaning of their name Sometimes they quote brief things to me. Sometimes I find it useful to cut-n-paste that to something else, preserving the French or Russian as it was. I wouldn't appreciate someone pasting something of mine and changing the inflection or meaning due to cross-alphabet switches, much as Roelf once pointed out to me that the "oe" in HIS name is NOT the same as "Ö" in Österreich ..well, whatever, you know what I mean .don't mess with the Vikings name is the lesson here. So, any ideas on reply templates for me? -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ."_)~~ ~( __ _"o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 29 Dec 2005, @ @ at 18:04:38 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > on 29-Dez-2005 at 00:40 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote: >> Сластолюбцы всех поколений, лишь вам я адресую настоящее произведение: пусть >> вас питают его принципы, они благоприятствуют страстям, а страсти эти, >> которыми >> пугают вас холодные пошлые моралисты, v всего только средства, употребляемые >> природою, чтобы внушить человеку её намерения по отношению к нему; не >> слушайте >> ничего, кроме этих сладостных страстей; их сущность одна должна привести вас >> к >> счастью. > FWIW... > I can see it (not read it:-), and when I use reply it looks like above. The > status bar on the bottom of the editor window says I'm using charset > Cyrillic (KOI8-R). Truth is what it says. Here it works fine/regularly too. So, might be of some help to say your settings, both as to TB and your OS, to Robert. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 484 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From|Reply To" field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ7Qb2LSpHvHEUtv8AQOWVgf/T3a7xskci119709WRymF02rHhzJypLw+ BJjB5tSCbuMWQWMpwlr72A0RIwdKCBbJv5mRwl9XIocJXkQJO4DN+8BZk8DWCJEG XfZhBtJF7DwUK5IQGs/xkNn7U55+ttKg/rq5CnJooiJy5ZSo/fZXjEt7N+lLe6TX lEzRaccQqmjgKsCmn+sb7ubW7T8POXE51/KXy+Bz28gihXBFaNRGEHqnUZzxvHnb fV1ajhd2dMiWpjeZr24oo8JtmCUH4qUnUyGvrFXNY2qr9ZCyFJs6BKHfHGuGyyIY pa5Ryyo91Hd8hhZDCHDOROHP3slsRuoLyOvn+0R1fcvdMAYP3TWDRg== =ULpY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
Recently, Edvinas Matiusaitis squawked: > Well, my default editor is MicroEd. In case there are chracters which > MicroEd can't display, I simply switch to Windows Editor. But doesn't the oroginal Charset remain the same? look at this snapshot I just took and see that while the original is koi8-r, TB! [Or moi] switched to 1251 www.denstarfarm.us/Public/TB_2.jpg "It's a puzzlement" ... The King in The King and I -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
Hello Alexander, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, at 19:16 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: > Question to Edvinas: are you using the Windows Editor by default? I don't > see how you would convert the message to UTF-8 otherwise... ?! Well, my default editor is MicroEd. In case there are chracters which MicroEd can't display, I simply switch to Windows Editor. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
Hello Robert D. & everyone else, on 29-Dez-2005 at 05:36 you (Robert D.) wrote: > THAT is the problem Thats not the only problem. The other problem is that MicroEd can't handle UTF-8 (yet? I don't know...). When you reply to Mica's message (which is in KOI-8R) with the standard "MicroEd" (plaintext editor), everything is correct (well, almost - one character is wrong when quoted, as pointed out by Edvinas). When you reply to Edvinas message (which is in UTF-8) with MicroEd, you get the questionmark gibberish. When you reply using the Windows Editor (plaintext), or the HTML editor (with alternative plaintext), it works. Question to Edvinas: are you using the Windows Editor by default? I don't see how you would convert the message to UTF-8 otherwise... ?! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It's a good thing money can't buy happiness. We couldn't stand the commercials. Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Recently, Alexander S. Kunz squawked: > ничего, кроме этих сладостных страстей; их сущность одна должна привести вас > к счастью. > status bar on the bottom of the editor window says I'm using charset > Cyrillic (KOI8-R). Mica's message header shows: X-Real-Priority: 1 (Castle priorities!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sent: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:23 +0200 -0100 yours Alexander shows: X-Rogue: :Alex_Kunz: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit when I hit reply to that original (recent) Mica email, the status area shows Cyrillic (Windows) not KOI8-R as I would expect. And when I drop it in the Outbox, I see my headers and charset: X-Rogue: :Robert_D: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit which IS what the status bar area showed. However, TB did not encode as the replied-to message was (charset) -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else, on 29-Dez-2005 at 00:40 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote: > Сластолюбцы всех поколений, лишь вам я адресую настоящее произведение: пусть > вас питают его принципы, они благоприятствуют страстям, а страсти эти, > которыми > пугают вас холодные пошлые моралисты, v всего только средства, употребляемые > природою, чтобы внушить человеку её намерения по отношению к нему; не слушайте > ничего, кроме этих сладостных страстей; их сущность одна должна привести вас к > счастью. FWIW... I can see it (not read it:-), and when I use reply it looks like above. The status bar on the bottom of the editor window says I'm using charset Cyrillic (KOI8-R). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Definition of Foreign Aid: The transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries -- Unknown, probably dead... Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Issues
Hello Paul, On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:51:12 + GMT (29/12/2005, 16:51 +0700 GMT), Paul Meathrel wrote: PM> Does anyone know whether it is possible in BT to change a bug report from private to public? I don't know the answer, but if you don't get a satisfactory reply, I'd suggest to just create a new BT entry. -- Cheers, Thomas. "Was ist das Problem der heutigen Gesellschaft - mangelndes Wissen oder mangelndes Interesse?" - "Weiss ich nicht, ist mir auch egal." http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[3]: IMAP Issues
Paul... On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:51:12 +, you wrote: >Hi all, > >On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 10:32:12 AM, you wrote: > >PM> Yes, although I didn't realise that you could do this. I can't >PM> see any way of changing this back to public though. Is this possible? > >Does anyone know whether it is possible in BT to change a bug report from >private to public? You could always create a support ticket through Ritlab's web site "Support" page. :) -- steverio TB!v3.64.01 Christmas Edition TBV!v3.64.01 Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 OTFE Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Mica, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, at 15:02 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: >> 2) instead of – appeared v > It's because you have changed/overwritten original charset (of my > message) KOI8-R to UTF-8. It's also reason that when I reply to your > reply the whole Russian text is messed up and morphed (in)to question > marks. > So, this one wouldn't be a bug. It's just a matter of charset > consistency in reply sequences/threads, defined on user level. If you > would reply to the same message again, but changing not its original > charset, whole Russian text would show correctly. Well, changing charset from som 8 bit charset to UTF-8 should not loose any characters. If it looses -- it's a bug. And yes, I've tried to reply to your message using KOI8-R -- instead of — I got v. > As I know, windows-1251 will entirely correctly display just _some_ of > Cyrillic texts (Serbian for instance when is not written in Latin, > Macedonian and few others I don't know much about), but not Russian. Add > to this that I'm still fairly puzzled as to the number of Russian > encodings and variants. Might be easily that it looks much simpler when > is understood. As far as I know all Russian characters are covered by the windows-1251 charset. > Is it Lithuanian written using only Latin letters? We use 23 not accented latin letters (english alphabet minus q, w and x) and 9 accented latin letters (ąčęėįšųūž). -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: still problems with Cyrillic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Robert! Was Thu, 29 Dec 2005, at 00:01:51 -0500, when you wrote: > Mica ... I am sending this direct to see if I got the exact text > correectly printed, char for charyou may answer on the list if you > want > ??? ?, ??? ? ??? ? : ? > ??? ?? ??? , ??? , ? ??? ???, > > ?? ??? ?? ?, v ? ?? , ? > , ? ??? ?? ? ?? ? ? ; ?? > ??, ? ?? ; ?? ?? ??? ? > ???. > Are those chars correct ?? I see this is different "v ?" for example Well, as you see above it is scrambled up again showing just the question marks. Your charset is again us-ascii in your headers. Now I notice also your redirected message here... It was filtered out by my automatic answering system into a special folder I test its settings, by sending test messages to myself (hence your redirected messages, looking as I am sending it to myself, finished in there). In this one the text is OK, and headers show that charset is KOI8-R. (I could reply by PM too, but have not your public key, and you encrypted only to the mine.) - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From|Reply To" field(s). ~~~ PGP public keys at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ7PoqrSpHvHEUtv8AQMDyQf+JiW32pMrXkKMsxF3scWZCPkTNS2z+5DR sccWCKGH6M6M9D6kf8eYpUwVBLXzdIIgiRt27CoGRSggVfe036XVcMxAL4GeB4hP eHlkhHA01/ircLVwL49cwj9lNXh3R0R7VFbksJguQDe5VMEgcZoLCQoZDniR3R0i 3Aya40RGJclAbgMZLh3SQjnh1pxdDwoa9gInEeuXQ0+G4OCVPpDEHYYBNm9k9sve kH32d8qJVns/fLyzNQ2BYw15sekQ/V3Tmd8aJ6rEdanlFdTjfcpL+UuHDIxCOISC dqrvjmhdhd9NnfKfwl/mDP0vtTAA+2SknWile9XXjNCFS5DQfOVJJQ== =apUn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ."_)~~ ~( __ _"o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 29 Dec 2005, @ @ at 09:15:19 +0200, when Edvinas Matiušaitis wrote: >> No problem, we have more, unfolded not, examples. Here... (: >> ??? ?, ??? ? ??? ? : ? >> ??? ?? ??? , ??? , ? ??? ???, >> >> ?? ??? ?? ?, v ? ?? , ? >> , ? ??? ?? ? ?? ? ? ; ?? >> >> ??, ? ?? ; ?? ?? ??? >> ? >> ???. > Huh, I must say you must be really fluent in English and Russian to > translate this. I certainly didn't crest my "peaks" in the (mis)use of those languages, yet, but I could translate this particular bit fairly fine, although it could lose its charm and nimbus of a fun for Robert then. (-: B... It's a passage from "Philosophy in the Bedroom/la boudoir)" by Marquis de Sade, with no any "explicit" terms. (: I am a "decent" gentlemen here. On TBOT, I am a wee sweet bit "different". > By the way, my reply displays two bugs: > 1) as you can see wrapping of quoted text is messed up Hmm...I don't know for this one. Judging by your reply to yourself, it's an issue of your editor (settings?). Here, the text is also appearing fine, originally (en)wrapped. > 2) instead of – appeared v It's because you have changed/overwritten original charset (of my message) KOI8-R to UTF-8. It's also reason that when I reply to your reply the whole Russian text is messed up and morphed (in)to question marks. So, this one wouldn't be a bug. It's just a matter of charset consistency in reply sequences/threads, defined on user level. If you would reply to the same message again, but changing not its original charset, whole Russian text would show correctly. In Robert's reply to the same message you'll notice that instead what is "appeared v" (the "v" is actually a character resembling mathematic symbol for the extract in your previous message) stands a question mark (instead the "-" in original). It's because he (or some other force) also changed original KOI8-R charset to windows-1251 in the process of replying. As I know, windows-1251 will entirely correctly display just _some_ of Cyrillic texts (Serbian for instance when is not written in Latin, Macedonian and few others I don't know much about), but not Russian. Add to this that I'm still fairly puzzled as to the number of Russian encodings and variants. Might be easily that it looks much simpler when is understood. Is it Lithuanian written using only Latin letters? - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 484 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From|Reply To" field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ7PeZrSpHvHEUtv8AQMKkQgArEvqf1VDH+bVxO641niNi9XU4xaQ659M l+pVBrzXHdgPK1mWmZPbZCC59m5ppCdYPkBJpPPyT1IBvBF3EYohXny/TEl/oCr1 NzOiyjg75wkUd7f7g6WHqM1Vsenop2YD5pKX1EJuU+Rk5WM4AsR43zL6PO7TpBZr YH6dXmFooJYr5GawjXpxgDgNsayksL833wgdx5uYEG4tL5K+ZCVJXMX6nGm1iyUZ D6h0UKdUlRWb0eRWFSf2CvTbBe2IVae2ApblNd2g95woB9gHjN6goSTQPBlxN2Fw HyOwG0HwR55aT/4443FtK5inD4A4UjNJ8kAnJeLgq/40kcNFOiUzWA== =AVl5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler stops working
MFPA: > Luca wrote: > > For a series of reasons I'd prefer not to involve my POP server for the same > > account, my set of filters would get too complicated. I could set a bogus > > pop > > server to do the same operation without actually downloading email with the > > same account, > Why use a bogus one that causes an error rather than a real one > that does not receive any mail? Well, it's a pretty unusual situation: I co-moderate a Yahoogroups mailing list and I'd like to use TB to automate some approve/reject operation. I'm the one to set the whole mechanism - moderation account properties in TB, filters, etc - both for me and the other moderator. My colleague would run TB from behind a firewall which prevents him to use any pop/smtp server except his own, and he is allowed to use only one mailbox for all his email. So, I formerly wrote "my pop server" only as a semplification here. Actually, it's my collegue's one that I'd rather not involve for mail checking in his "moderation" account, the one used to send back control messages to Yahoogroups. Incoming messages of any kind are processed by his "normal" account, where moderation filters for the mailing list operate. Then, generated control messages are queued in the Outbox of the "moderation" account, waiting for TB's scheduler to do its job and send them. If it worked. Of course I could redesign the whole machine to adapt it to this no-scheduler situation for him, but it would be uneasy, and inelegant. And sad. -- Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Line wrapping in plain text (Windows) editor
Thomas Fernandez: > Luca wrote: > L> We're talking of a typing > L> syndrome. TB's MicroEd (any mode) requires a heavy modification of deeply > L> rooted and continuously practised typing habits. I could agree with you if > L> TB's way were common among all the other programs, or if I could use TB as > my > L> sole and only editor, but it isn't. > > Well, I for one like the way MicroEd behaves. However, I understand > that you want an editor that behaves like Word, is that correct? Yes. In my specific case: Agent and Dialog or, if we're talking about word processing, Open Office, as well as any editor of common use, excluding a programmer's one, like MicroEd seems more to be. Dialog in particular seems pretty close to perfection, for email and news messages editing: it's capable to perform all the email related tasks that MicroEd particularly does as well, without the alt+l/double return syndrome. > However, there was a wish once that one should be able to use any > external editor of choice, and some would want to use ViM. I don't > know what became of that wish. Ah yes, the "external editor" solution, but that way you loose any interaction between the editor and the mail client. And what about specific email related functions, e.g. quotes handling? Definetly not a solution, IMO. Seems to me more like a programmer's virtuosity, only an end to itself. -- Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP Issues
Hi all, On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 10:32:12 AM, you wrote: PM> Yes, although I didn't realise that you could do this. I can't PM> see any way of changing this back to public though. Is this possible? Does anyone know whether it is possible in BT to change a bug report from private to public? -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Rethreading a message
Hi Fredrik, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, 8:16:05 AM, you wrote: FB> Try holding shift and then dragging the message out of its thread, FB> then the message will be "un-threaded" and you can drag it and FB> attach it anywhere. That did the trick - thanks! -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: British English spell checking
Hello Robin, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 11:12:41 PM, you wrote: > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 at 02:55:13 +1100, John wrote: >>> I have chosen British English for the spell checking, but I am still being >>> told that words >>> like realise should be spelt with a "z". >> >> Can be spelt with both a "z" or "s", see http://tinyurl.com/dd522 even in >> UK. >> >> I would agree however that "s" is more usual in UK English. > The following both explore this further > http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/ize > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ise1.htm Very interesting. Thanks for the pointers. -- Graham Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Error message on fetch
Hello there, Since yesterday I keep getting an error message on a fetch mail command if the mail box is empty - well most of the time. Here is an extract from the log -can anyone enlighten me as to the cause - then I know what to say to my provider! > 29/12/2005, 00:02:07: FETCH - receiving mail messages > 29/12/2005, 00:02:07: FETCH - connected to POP3 server > 29/12/2005, 00:02:07: FETCH - authenticated (plain) > 29/12/2005, 00:02:08: FETCH - 67 messages in the mailbox, 0 new > 29/12/2005, 00:02:11: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received > 29/12/2005, 00:09:07: FETCH - receiving mail messages > !29/12/2005, 00:09:07: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent > were: "", "") Many thanks -- Kind regards, Jenny Zonneveld The Bat! 3.62.14 Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Rethreading a message
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:08 + GMT, Paul wrote: > Hi all, > I'm trying to re-thread this message > and all subsequent > replies because it has opened a thread within a thread I want to > monitor and therefore I would like to split it into two separate > threads. I've tried dragging and dropping the first message (mid > above) within the original thread to a new location and am prompted > to confirm the re-threading of the message. However I can only seem > to move the thread to be the child of an existing message rather > than a thread in it's own right. Is it possible to re-thread in the way I > want? Try holding shift and then dragging the message out of its thread, then the message will be "un-threaded" and you can drag it and attach it anywhere. Hope it helps. -- /Fredrik The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
