Re[6]: Two TheBat processes
Thursday, September 18, 2008, 3:21:33 PM, you wrote: >> can provide more details if anyone wants, such as the developers >> >> > Same here: I see TheBat twice under applications and only once under > processes. > Whom did you contact about this problem? > Leonard I reported it on this list. I've not heard any responses, either before or this time. I've not reported it as a bug, since it may be WAD, though no idea why it would, since it just clutters up the task bar. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Two TheBat processes
Thursday, September 18, 2008, 8:27:24 AM, you wrote: > Replying to my own message, but noted one added possible clue for > developers. Clicking on the "real" button does what is expected, > restoring minimized window, or minimizing the window, etc. Clicking > on the "greyed out" or "false" button does nothing. BUT if you right > click on the false button and choose close, it closes TheBat (i.e. > both buttons and the application). The right click also gives you the > option of minimize and restore, but neither of those are functional. Yet one more clue just discovered: I have taskbar at top of screen. If I minimize the bat by "normal methods": click minus sign in upper right right click on real button and choose minimize just click on real button it then works normally, minimizing the program to the task bar. BUT if I right click on the "false button" and choose minimize a miniature "the bat" top bar in the lower left corner of screen. This is visible only if all programs minimized. That is, when you open a window of any program (at least those I've tried, IE, Chrome, Bat, and a couple of others) that "mini bar" is covered up, but reappears when you view the desktop itself. AND if you click close on that button, it closes the Bat ungracefully, saying that it has encountered an error (the standard such Windows message, don't recall details of wording) and is checking for a solution. It then restarts the Bat. It appears nothing is lost or corrupted, though haven't tried it when have had a new message window open. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Two TheBat processes
Thursday, September 18, 2008, 8:20:17 AM, you wrote: >> The "processes" pane of my task manager currently shows just one >> instance of thebat.exe. The "applications" pane has two The Bat! >> entries (plus one Edit Mail Message). > I now see the two "applications" as well, despite there being only one > "process" in the other tab. hadn't noticed the duplicate applications > before, since normally only look at processes. And two buttons in > task bar, plus the "edit mail" button. Replying to my own message, but noted one added possible clue for developers. Clicking on the "real" button does what is expected, restoring minimized window, or minimizing the window, etc. Clicking on the "greyed out" or "false" button does nothing. BUT if you right click on the false button and choose close, it closes TheBat (i.e. both buttons and the application). The right click also gives you the option of minimize and restore, but neither of those are functional. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two TheBat processes
Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:53:32 AM, you wrote: > Hi > On Thursday 18 September 2008 at 2:36:03 PM, in > , Dan Lester wrote: >> I don't think it is Vista related, since others have reported it >> here too. But can't swear what OS they're on. Maybe if others have >> it on non-Vista OS they could report it. > As per my signature:- > Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 I'm on same version of Bat, but on Vista Home Premium SP1, with all available patches. >> But I don't see two PROCESSES in Task manager, just the display of >> the second button in the Taskbar. > I currently have just one The Bat! button on my taskbar (plus one Edit > Mail Message). >> Task manager shows just one process named thebat.exe. > The "processes" pane of my task manager currently shows just one > instance of thebat.exe. The "applications" pane has two The Bat! > entries (plus one Edit Mail Message). I now see the two "applications" as well, despite there being only one "process" in the other tab. hadn't noticed the duplicate applications before, since normally only look at processes. And two buttons in task bar, plus the "edit mail" button. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: One time encryption
My last msg in this thread, comments below as required. Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:36:43 AM, you wrote: >> Most US banks put it on by default. > Fair enough. We don't get that in the UK. My phone number is private > and not the bank's or the payee's business unless I decide otherwise. Of course for most of us, it is public in the phone book anyway, unless we pay them the fee to keep it private. >> In the past, at least, stores would always ask for it when you wrote >> the check and they checked your drivers license. > If they accepted cheques larger than your cheque guarantee limit they > would often ask for your address over here, rarely phone number. One > bank I know of used to print the customer's address on their cheques > but had to stop this nearly 20 years ago. Most in US don't have check guarantees, though they do have overdraft protection (i.e. the bank will automatically lend you the money in hundred dollar increments, up to some predefined limit). >> As noted, these days the checks are generally scanned and confirmed >> electronically, much like your credit/debit card is. > To me, that would defeat the object of paying by cheque. If the money > is in your account today, it is quicker and easier to pay by card. If > it will be there in a day or two, the cheque used today will hit your > account after the money gets there. Basically, they're eliminating the float, which makes sense to them. But in most grocery stores and such, there is not float. But you can always pay by credit card if you need to float it. >> I'm sure the checks in question had been ordered several years >> before they were used. > I used to be like that - the banks automatically send a new chequebook > from time to time and you end up with lots of them. Checks here are never free. You can buy them from the bank, but many companies will sell them to you at a much lower rate per check. >> I'm not sure if our current ones have phone or not. > If people change mobile phone numbers as frequently there as here, it > would never be up to date. I'm sure few people would give the bank a new > phone number to harrass them on. True enough. And those aren't listed in phone book. One of the nice things now is the ability to keep the same phone number forever, whether cell, wired, changing cell companies, etc. I recently changed cell providers and kept the same number. Would have been a major problem if I didn't keep it, due to so many business records being keyed to it. As noted, my final public reply on this getting-off-topic thread, but will be happy to discuss with anyone who cares by private email. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Two TheBat processes
Thursday, September 18, 2008, 6:58:38 AM, you wrote: > Do you think this is a Vista problem or an issue with TheBat!? With > whom did you raise it? > I use Vista Basic Business (or whatever it is called). When I upgraded > to Vista, Home Premium was not possible for me. I forget the reason. I don't think it is Vista related, since others have reported it here too. But can't swear what OS they're on. Maybe if others have it on non-Vista OS they could report it. But I don't see two PROCESSES in Task manager, just the display of the second button in the Taskbar. Task manager shows just one process named thebat.exe. Other programs do show multiple processes. For example, chrome.exe (which I've just made my default instead of IE7, despite a couple of shortcomings) shows five processes, even though I only have 3 tabs open. That's what I know as of now. dan can provide more details if anyone wants, such as the developers -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: One time encryption
Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 4:15:40 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 at 8:13:23 PM, in > , Dan Lester wrote: >> When they write the check they cross out the phone number on it > Phone number? On a cheque? Most US banks put it on by default. In the past, at least, stores would always ask for it when you wrote the check and they checked your drivers license. As noted, these days the checks are generally scanned and confirmed electronically, much like your credit/debit card is. I'm sure the checks in question had been ordered several years before they were used. Since I don't write the few checks I'm not sure if our current ones have phone or not. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: One time encryption
Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:30:02 PM, you wrote: > On Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 21:13:23, Dan Lester wrote: >> Three years. My wife handles the money, and she now pays almost >> everything electronically, except for a couple that won't handle that. >> Those get dropped at the post office. > Interesting. Checks vanished practically overnight here when banks > stopped giving guarantee on them about 15 years ago, and everything > moved to electronic transactions. I still know many people who don't have computers, and/or don't trust the internet at all. As has been said on the list, the net is safer than most other places for money transactions, but old ideas die hard. I always carry some cash, but haven't personally written a check in several years, and as noted, wife rarely does. I will say that checks here are electronically verified in most stores. They're scanned quickly, and checked against your account (the store just gets an OK, no details). And in some bigger stores, it is done as an EFT, just as if you'd given them a debit card; in those cases they just hand the check back to you. Lots of changes everywhere. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two TheBat processes
Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:15:26 PM, you wrote: >> Recently, I have noticed two TheBat processes at the bottom of the >> screen. If I try to close either one, the other will be closed as >> well. > I sometimes get that, usually if something running on the computer is > causing intensive processor activity or hanging. I get it with > firefox more often. I raised the issue recently and didn't get a response. For me, under Vista Home Premium, I get it at all times, whether Bat starts first after a clean boot, whether I'm using IE, Chrome, or anything else. In fact, think I raised it just a couple days ago. Not a big deal, just takes up extra room on a crowded taskbar (at the top of screen for me) -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: One time encryption
Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:32:52 AM, you wrote: >> As a side note, but an important ond, DO NOT PUT YOUR MAIL IN A BOX IN >> FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE for the letter carrier to pick up. Your mail can >> be taken by a crook and your identity and/or money stolen. > You mean your own postbox or ...? Yes. In many parts of the US (maybe most) you can leave outgoing mail in your mailbox. The real problem is when it is one of the very common mailboxes on a post next to the street or highway. The letter carrier comes by in a little vehicle (sort of a small panel truck, usually) and if the red flag is up, meaning you have outgoing mail, they stop and get it, even if they're not delivering any to you that day. > The only way to send mail here is to > drop it either in a yellow postbox (there's enough of them around the > city), or to drop it off directly at post. The mailboxes on houses are > all locked, so the postman can drop the mail in, but it's hard to get > out without the key (assuming the owner didn't leave it unlocked, > which usually isn't the case). Some apartments or condominium complexes have those, but they also usually have a locked box that you can drop things in. >> I know. >> They took outgoing mail containing five checks on two banks. > Checks? How long ago was this? Three years. My wife handles the money, and she now pays almost everything electronically, except for a couple that won't handle that. Those get dropped at the post office. The criminals drive around in a van, and if they see the flag up, the grab the mail, and drive on to the next one with flag up. While one person drives, one rides on the passenger side and does the grabbing mail and putting flag down, and one or two others are in back with liquid that removes the ink from the checks. I saw the checks when they came back and it was almost impossible to tell something else was ever written on them. Then they make a fake drivers license or other ID with their picture but my information. They have all the equipment in the van. Then they write the checks for an amount that in each case is slightly smaller than the original amount it was written for, to make sure it won't bounce. When they write the check they cross out the phone number on it and write in a "new phone number" that is a phony, so that if there is any problem, the merchant won't call me, so I won't be tipped off to a problem. The first I knew of a problem was when I got an overdue credit card bill. She ALWAYS pays ALL bills within a week of receiving them, so knew there was a problem. Anyway, the crooks ultimately got caught, the banks ultimately put the money back in our accounts, and all was well. A hard lesson learned. Also, the credit card and other companies each removed any "overdue charges" from the accounts and our credit record was made clean. But it was a VERY time consuming thing to do all of that. I spent 25 to 30 daytime hours on it over a ten day period. So, sorry if this is too long or too off topic. I assume that there are conditions in many places where crooks could do the same thing. Oh, yes, the stuff they buy is pawned and they get money to buy drugs. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: One time encryption
Monday, September 15, 2008, 6:53:21 PM, you wrote: > Is the internet really any riskier than how I use the card every > day? Actually the internet is much safer. As you point out, you give the card to all sorts of people. And then there are the people you give it to on the phone...and on and on. As a side note, but an important ond, DO NOT PUT YOUR MAIL IN A BOX IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE for the letter carrier to pick up. Your mail can be taken by a crook and your identity and/or money stolen. I know. They took outgoing mail containing five checks on two banks. All were washed chemically and rewritten for their own benefit. It took about 3 days of my life to sort it out with police, banks, those who didn't get paid, etc. Always put your mail in an official mailbox at the post office or elsewhere. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Speaking of signatures
Thursday, August 28, 2008, 8:07:56 PM, you wrote: > Interesting ... I have thought it would be interesting to have a > counter - count down to an event for instance or count up (how many > days since) in a cookie. I have not thought it a serious enough enough > feature to suggest it :)) I have a countdown timer in my Vista Sidebar that tells how long until I retire. At the moment it says 5,569,607 seconds...ooops, 602, 601, etc. Also shows it in days, hours, etc, for convenience of the mere mortals who don't have a binary clock on their desk. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Speaking of signatures
Thursday, August 28, 2008, 4:01:25 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Wednesday 27 August 2008 at 9:53:38 PM, in > , Dan Lester wrote: >> You can also do what I do, to install TB in a non-standard location, >> that is always backed up daily, including program, mail, cookies, etc, >> etc. > Presumably, you could do the same if TB! is installed in the default > location. Presumably so, but what I have is a directory called /all my stuff/ that contains installs of personal software, all personal files, etc, etc. It is backed up daily to a 4GB flash drive, and somewhat less frequently (at least every Saturday to a USB hard drive. I used to use this technique (using a cool little program called Directory Toolkit) to keep two computers in sync. But now just for backup. But DT does the sync on all of it for me. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unread folders, redux
Is there a way to rename the "inbox" folders? I can't seem to find one, and if there isn't, I hope one can be added someday. When viewing unread folders there are multiple instances of "inbox" and there is no way of knowing which is which. Yes, they're in order, but if only four of ten have something new, I don't know which is which. thanks dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Speaking of signatures
Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:33:09 AM, you wrote: > You can download them from http://thebat.zetema.de/zip/mymacros.zip > The ZIP file includes a 'readme' and a Help file which explains all > macros available in the set and how to use them. > See my signature :-) Is there a macro for iTunes? With a 3G iPhone and a couple of iPods, I finally made the switch. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Speaking of signatures
Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 10:43:21 PM, you wrote: > Just curious... why are they called cookies nowadays? > In the old days we spoke of taglines. My big file of those nice, bizar, > wise, humorious, etc. sentences is still called tagfline.txt, I started with > it as I still was in the pre-internet network FIDO. I think that is a "batism" (as opposed to a baptism). I also go back to FIDO (and to punched cards for that matter...I retire in two months). Sort of like Microsoft renaming "anchors" in HTML to be "bookmarks", etc, etc. Just think of the various names for "CVT" (Continuously Variable Transmission) among different car manufacturers. Remember there are actually people who sit around and make up all these clever names, just like the ones who think up clever names for every one of the hundreds of shade of blue for which they have paint chips at the paint store. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Speaking of signatures
Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 1:03:59 PM, you wrote: >> I find it best to store the cookie file as you do, in My Documents >> because it is backed up AND if you have to go to a new computer, the >> cookies are brought over with the other documents; not in a Program >> Files folder that is re-created without your cookie document when >> downloading a new TheBat!. > That's my thinking although you can of course have cookie files all > over the place if you wish :)) You can also do what I do, to install TB in a non-standard location, that is always backed up daily, including program, mail, cookies, etc, etc. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Gmail and TB, virus checking problem
Thursday, July 24, 2008, 9:54:49 AM, you wrote: > The normal set-up is that you use a mail client such as TB! to send > mail through a POP3 server and receive it via an SMTP server. The POP > server may belong to your ISP (or Gmail, Yahoo, etc) but could also be > on your own PC, for example. Don't you have the two backwards above on sending and receiving, or do you know a secret I don't? -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copying to new machine w/Vista
Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:28:49 PM, you wrote: > My wife just bought a new HP laptop which of course has Vista as an > OS. I need to copy (not move) TB to her new machine keeping all her > numerous emails intact. I searched the TBUDL archives and didn't find > enough information to see me thru this. The desktop machine, as you > can see from my sig, is running XP pro. I simply copied all of my The Bat folder (which I install in a non-standard place) to the new machine, then reinstalled on top of the copied material. It picks up the folders, etc, just fine. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Smartspace
Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:45:10 PM, you wrote: > I had never tried that feature until reading this thread. It seems to > work fine here. I usually takes 2 presses of the to get > through a message, then it jumps to the next unread message. A nice > feature. Works the same way it did in various **ix based mail systems. (and I'm sure still does) -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to streamline and automate TB?
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 10:50:31 PM, you wrote: > keep better track of your accounts and what they are for I only have 3 active accounts, and to me the above is the secret. One only for surgery issues. One only for Corvette issues. One for everything else. I may be adding a couple more in the future, but they'll also be just as focused. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 11:56:33 AM, you wrote: > This leads to my next question about synchronization: > Assume desktop user Abe downloads e-mail in the morning: items a, b, and > c are downloaded and Abe, in the morning, reads all messages and deletes > items b and c from desktop. > Assume laptop user Sara downloads the e-mail in the afternoon: items a, > b, c, and d and Sara reads only item b and deletes nothing. > Assume that a, b, c, and d will remain on server for 24 hours. > At night, both the laptop and desktop synchronize. > Here are my questions: > 1. Will items b and c be deleted from the laptop or will they be added > back to the desktop? With Directory Toolkit, I have the options of: Synchronize Both field: Adds new files to both directories and copies newer common files from either directory to the other. Augment Target field: Adds new files from the source directory to the target directory. Refresh Target field: Update only existing files from the source directory to the target directory. Update Target field: Updates existing files and adds new files from the source directory to the target directory. Update & Prune Target field: Deletes files in the target directory that cannot be found in the source directory, updates existing files, and adds new files from the source directory to the target directory. Remove Duplicates from Target field: Deletes files in the target directory that were found in the source directory and were identical. If the Binary Check Files is on (Compare Options), files whose contents are identical are considered identical, otherwise if the date and time stamp is used to determine whether files are considered identical. Recreate Directory Structure Only: The directory structure of the source is created on the target but no files are copied. All subdirectories under the source path are reproduced regardless of program settings for view subdirectories (View Menu or Options-General). Delete All Empty Directories (from the target): Directories that contain no files on the target will be deleted. No other file operation is performed. All that being said, however, remember that the bat stores messages for each folder as ONE FILE. So if a file has some messages deleted and some added, that whole file will be replaced by the other file, which may have DIFFERENT messages added and deleted. Perhaps relevant to your other comment about different install locations, I consistently install ALL of the software I want to synchronize between two computers to ONE directory, namely "/all my stuff/ for me. So the whole contents of the directory are synched back and forth. It does mean I have to be VERY careful to synch before opening the same program on a different computer without synching first. Otherwise I could lose things, both sent and received, as well as changes made in my calendar program, etc. BTW, for calendar I used to use "Time & Chaos", which I've liked for some ten years. They recently (like last year) changed to !ntellect, which is same calendaring with an integrated mail client. I switched to it from TheBat!, but within three months, since it was clear they weren't interested in upgrading the mail side of it, switched back to TB. I may never even try again to switch away from TB. (And I only tried it due to the integration featurewhich was terrible) dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 9:52:27 AM, you wrote: > Did you ever try the synchronize feature in The Bat? Why do you use > this program rather than The Bat's own synchronizing feature? I used the program even before I used The Bat, clear back in days of using Eudora. It also syncs several other programs, including my calendar program, a collection of personal files, work files, and so forth. The folder in question runs about 3GB. In fact, when started using the Directory Toolkit it was probably under Win95 and know the stuff I synced fit on a 3.5 floppy. Then I moved to CDR, then to flash drive and/or external USB. Generally do it with a 4gb flash. > This program sounds great, particularly since I would like to do with > another application (Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements) what > I would like to do with the Bat. How long have you been using it, and > do you encounter any firewall issues with it? As noted, probably using a version of it for ten years or more. It will do a lot of other useful things as well, and well worth the 25 bucks I think it is now. I'm either syncing to an external drive or to a network drive, so no firewall issues. Don't recall if ever used it with Remote Desktop. > When the program sunchronizes with The Bat, will it automatically > reflect that a message read on the first computer appears as "read" on > the second computer? Sure. It copies over all the settings in the directory. It appears that some settings are written to registry, but everything related to your mail files is just fine. > How long have you been using the program? Forever. :-) There is a shareware version you can download and try if you want, so take a bit of time with it and see if it is worth springing for the "big dollars". dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AntiSpamSniper 2.0.0.4 Free issues
Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 9:29:15 AM, you wrote: DL>> If someone could tell me where to get the latest update/patch, I'd DL>> appreciate it. > Click on the "Options" icon (Antispamsniper toolbar) > choose "about" > Search for new version (or update - or something like that) > Otherwise : http://www.antispamsniper.com/ I'm downloading from that site now. The latest version. Assume that when install it it will install over the other and know that it is still paid for (just like TheBat does). If there is a sniper toolbar, I sure don't see it. I have added the 'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' buttons to my toolbar long ago. Also, related to updates, I've set options in the bat to check on startup for both regular and beta updates, but it hasn't notified me of .18, .20, or .20.1. Is there a problem? dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AntiSpamSniper 2.0.0.4 Free issues
Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 8:01:18 AM, you wrote: > this is more than 1 year old version of plugin, there were many fixes, > improvements and compatibility issues done since this version. This reminds me of my need for an updated version of the paid AntiSpamSniper, which is over a year old and is something like 2.5 and often works overtime and is a bit funky. If someone could tell me where to get the latest update/patch, I'd appreciate it. thanks dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 10:20:39 PM, you wrote: > Alternatively, could I set up The Bat on the laptop, but have it > point to the mail directory on the desktop where the messages are > kept, and merely copy that directory to my laptop when I travel with > it, which is only a few times a year? One other thought: I keep two computers synchronized daily, morning and night, by using a little program (25 bucks I think) called Directory Toolkit. It does a host of other things, but I use it to synchronize a directory called "all my stuff" from one computer to another. I install TheBat!, all of its files, and half a dozen other programs into that directory. Then the program syncs from one to the other. You can do it with drives on one mapped to the other on the network, or more frequently I just do it with my flash drive or other external USB drive. It is also handy way to synchronize to a backup drive. I always have it set to add new files, delete ones no longer on the source, and update all that need updating. It saves lots of time since it only updates that small percentage that need it. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: I have lost my F4 functionality
Thursday, March 27, 2008, 8:58:12 AM, you wrote: >> Have you tried F7 instead of F4? I've found that for an unknown >> reason when I have it running on XP SP2 box, it is F7. Don't know if >> related to the OS or some setting I've not found. > Well, that works like a charm. On this message at least > The mystery remains about why the F4 stopped working. I don't know why, but on the XP box the F4 does a reply with an empty reply message, which is same thing you describe. Like your situation, I have no idea of the reason for difference. I've tried to check settings pretty carefully between the two, but can't see any differencesexcept for the ones I missed, I'm sure. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I have lost my F4 functionality
Thursday, March 27, 2008, 7:40:34 AM, you wrote: > This is consistent for all F4 replies for both my account (primary) > and that of my wife. It just started over this past weekend. I tried > reinstalling 4.0.18 with no improvement. I tend not to use Beta > versions so I did not download a new installation from the web site. Have you tried F7 instead of F4? I've found that for an unknown reason when I have it running on XP SP2 box, it is F7. Don't know if related to the OS or some setting I've not found. On this Vista Home Premium box it is the F4 "it has always been". dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Not top posting
Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:18:29 PM, you wrote: > Dan Lester @ 2008-3-26 2:49:56 PM > "Undocked Toolbars!" >> I also noted that I only top post when it makes sense to me (i.e. >> can see whole content in one screen). But you can be sure I won't do >> it again, and that I'll recover from the whiplashes. > I've got a 1280x1024 sitting next to a 1024x768, so what I can see on > "one screen" greatly differs. Right. And of course you don't necessarily have the window set full screen, either, and you can change panel size in the program, and so forth. > However, the general logic seems sound. The devil is always in the > details. Of course it is, and that's why I'm now going to be fanatic about NOT top posting here. As noted, I always do my best to Show Up Suit Up Shut Up and Follow Directions Of course I'm not quite perfect, either, despite 65 years of working towards it. :-D -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Thanks for the explanation. Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 2:02:18 PM, you wrote: > Hallo Dan, > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:49:56 -0600GMT (26-3-2008, 20:49 +0100, where I > live), you wrote: DL>> But to get back to a questionwhat the heck does the top posting DL>> have to do with PGP anyway? > Nothing. > But had PGP functioned properly on my new PC, you'd have received an > official warning. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 1:35:16 PM, you wrote: >> On Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 2:23:32 PM, Dan Lester wrote: >>> I'm not a real PGP guy, but I don't get it. >> dissing a moderator is not a good plan > I think he doesn't understand. Dan, you must post BELOW your quotes. > Roelof is a moderator and was letting you know nicely that you broke > that list rule. You are also expected to trim quotes and not let them > get excessive - leave enough to maintain meaning (just a rules-heads > up) :) As just posted, I never saw any specific rules, or else napped through them. That's how it is with us old geezers that have been in the computing business for 48 years (yeah, vacuum tubes, punched paper tape, etc, etc). As noted also, I've run lists for just under two decades in multiple environments, and am fanatic on trimming quotes. If I screwed up on that, my apologies. I'd have to check my outbox to be sure. I also noted that I only top post when it makes sense to me (i.e. can see whole content in one screen). But you can be sure I won't do it again, and that I'll recover from the whiplashes. And you can be sure I'm a law and order type of guy. If I know the rules I'm happy to follow them, whether I like them or notwhich irritates me no end every time I take my Corvette out on the freeway. But to get back to a questionwhat the heck does the top posting have to do with PGP anyway? dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 1:28:33 PM, you wrote: > On Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 2:23:32 PM, Dan Lester wrote: >> I'm not a real PGP guy, but I don't get it. > dissing a moderator is not a good plan I'm not dissing anybody. And I have no clue who is a moderator on here. I have moderated LISTSERV(R) lists, from 15-20 at a time, for 19 years, and am well familiar with the problems, prerogatives, etc, of being one. I'm nearing retirement and have cut down to nine of them now. But if expressing an opinion on top postings not being a sin in certain situations is considered "dissing", I'm missing that clue, too. And, I don't recall getting a welcome message that explicitly said "top posting is a mortal sin and will send you straight to some very hot place". Of course there could be senility setting in, or it could be that it went into my spam folder along with 95 percent of the stuff that arrives in the box. The wonderful AntispamSniper is fantastic, about 99.8 percent perfect at the moment for me, but like me, and presumably thee, it isn't yet perfectnor do I expect it to be. cheers dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Maybe I'm napping, but how does PGP relate to top posting??? I'm not a real PGP guy, but I don't get it. Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 1:05:54 PM, you wrote: > On Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 1:53:01 PM, Dan Lester wrote: >> Hey, I don't consider top posting a sin > PGP priorities just went up. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Hey, I don't consider top posting a sin when you can see the whole context in a fraction of a screen. Like this one. I'm normally a total interlinear posting freak, but when that's not needed.. Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 11:09:57 AM, you wrote: > Oh. And consider yourself trouted for top posting. > Otherwise I'd send an official warning, but I've still got PGP > troubles on my new computer. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Other than it being a beta (with all the usual warnings) is there any reason to NOT update to the beta? Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:45:43 AM, you wrote: > Hello all, > Wednesday, March 26, 2008, Dan Lester wrote: >> Now I'm confused. My client identifies as 4.0.18 (no .6 at the end). >> If I click "check for update" it says there isn't. If I go to >> website to download, it shows me the same .msi package I already have. >> I can handle an .rar, but what's the difference? > version 4.0.18.6 is sixth beta build released after 4.0.18, when will be > this beta session finished, new final 4.0.19 or other number will be > released. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undocked Toolbars!
Now I'm confused. My client identifies as 4.0.18 (no .6 at the end). If I click "check for update" it says there isn't. If I go to website to download, it shows me the same .msi package I already have. I can handle an .rar, but what's the difference? dan Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:13:36 AM, you wrote: > [Reply to: »Barry« · 2008-03-26 · 16:53 h (CET)] > Moin, Barry! >> I don't know how I've managed it but all my toolbars are undocked. >> Any suggestions gratefully received. > It's known and already resolved issue. Just take the latest version of > The Bat! >> .·¨[4.0.18.6]¨·. >> ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— >> The Bat! 4.0.18.6 is available at >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40186.rar >> ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— > Cheers! > VA -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Window split
Thursday, March 13, 2008, 2:50:47 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Thursday 13 March 2008 at 4:20:13 PM, in > , Dan Lester wrote: >> I have mine laid out with full height folder column on left, >> then on right the message list above and msg view below. > Same here. >> What I can't figure out how to do (if it is possible) is to keep >> the window split on the right side DIFFERENT for different >> folders. > I think that is just one global setting but I like your idea. > Perhaps you could create a wishlist entry? So where is the wishlist? I'm new to this group, though have been on TheBat! since 1.8 or something like that. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Window split
Follow up on this. I have mine laid out with full height folder column on left, then on right the message list above and msg view below. What I can't figure out how to do (if it is possible) is to keep the window split on the right side DIFFERENT for different folders. Why? On most folders I want the split to show me a few msgs in the list at top, and then most space taken up with the window with below containing the message. But for my spam folder, I want almost the entire right area taken up with the list, and a very small message window. Why? I sort spam by subject, and then very quickly delete it. That way I can quickly skim, and on occasion (not often, I've got the filter very well trained) find something that isn't spam. I can go through the thousand or more spams a day in a couple minutes. But then I have to resize when go back to any other folder. Not a major problem, but one of those nagging irritants. dan Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 1:33:46 PM, you wrote: >> is it possible for TB to remember the widths of the columns when in >> horizontal split mode? At present each time I start TB they are all >> the same width. > I had never before used the Horizontal split mode but I have just tried > and they are saved here. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
