Is there a way to log the interaction between The Bat! and GnuPG?

[MFPA]

Hi


Is there a way to log the interaction between The Bat! and GnuPG for 
debugging purposes? 

TB! fails to decrypt some of the encrypted messages I receive, giving 
as it's error message a portion of GnuPG's output (but not the part 
saying what went wrong). If use GnuPG on the command line and 
copy in the text from the body of the encrypted message, the message 
is decrypted without error.


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Draft messages and GnuPG encryption - Have these issues been fixed?

[MFPA]

Hi


Are these issues with Draft messages and GnuPG encryption that exist in 
my TB! Version 4.0.38 still present in the latest release? Or have 
Ritlabs fixed them?

   1. Messages configured to be encrypted on completion are not
   encrypted when saved/autosaved as drafts.

   2. Messages that are configured to be signed or encrypted on
   completion are saved/autosaved as drafts without these settings. So
   when you open the draft and send it, with or without editing, the
   signing and/or encryption does not happen.
   


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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

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Mica,

Monday, October 23, 2006, 12:43:42 AM, you wrote:

MM> Oh, you will. (-: Besides, it's easier, and safer, if you put into
an
MM> encrypted container both the Mail and TheBat folder (if you are only
MM> user of the Bat/machine), since this way if someone "unauthorized"
MM> triggers the shortcut (if s/he finds it in Start Menu), tBat will
not
MM> start.

I can only put my mail folders there, since my wife occasionally uses
my computer as well. She would prefer to use Outlook, but she's
getting more comfortable with TB, so I don't want to do anything to
make that more difficult.

MM> You're welcome, this is the place for it, and I am besides right now
MM> preparing quite similar www "tutorials" for my
correspondents/friends,
MM> so they can manage when I am not "accessible".

I look forward to seeing that. I still have a lot to learn. I know
enough to use pgp/gpg, but would like to learn more so I know how to
correct problems down the road, better choose among options, etc.

MM> When you uninstall PGP, look after PGP*.* files in your OS|System
MM> folders, since all the chances are that they will not be deleted
during
MM> the process. Also check the Registry
(HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\PGP)
MM> since PGP likes to leave its...PGPberries all around. This should be
MM> deleted too.

For now I plan to just let it "sleep". My PGP key is still out there,
and I occasionally get something encrypted to it; so far all I've ever
received are test messages, but who knows - maybe someday someone will
actually send me something substantive. :-)

- -- 
Thanks,
Rick
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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 22 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 19:55:06 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> I thought about switching to TB! Pro for the "EOTF", but decided not
> to.

I thought of it too, some...670 days ago, it seemed pretty alluring, at
first sight, but after had examined the thing more closely I had changed
my mind.

> I just installed TrueCrypt, and may move mail files to an encrypted
> drive there. Of course, that would require starting it up first, but I
> could probably remember that after a few false starts.

Oh, you will. (-: Besides, it's easier, and safer, if you put into an
encrypted container both the Mail and TheBat folder (if you are only
user of the Bat/machine), since this way if someone "unauthorized"
triggers the shortcut (if s/he finds it in Start Menu), tBat will not
start.

Easiest way to do so is to simply mount this container/"volume" and then
to install TBat there (and perhaps some other programs you wouldn't want
others to tinker with).

> Thanks again for all of your help. I think I'm getting GnuPG to the
> point that I can safely uninstall PGP.

You're welcome, this is the place for it, and I am besides right now
preparing quite similar www "tutorials" for my correspondents/friends,
so they can manage when I am not "accessible".

When you uninstall PGP, look after PGP*.* files in your OS|System
folders, since all the chances are that they will not be deleted during
the process. Also check the Registry (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\PGP)
since PGP likes to leave its...PGPberries all around. This should be
deleted too.

After that, you'll notice that OS runs a bit faster and livelier.

  ***

With PGP you may notice that when you mount your "encrypted volumes",
their paths will be recorded in index.dat files in Content.IE5 folders.
Etc. With True Crypt it will not be the merry case.

- --
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 in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

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Mica,

Sunday, October 22, 2006, 7:11:57 PM, you wrote:

MM> There is just one thing you have to do and this is to set the
default
MM> algorithm in your gpg.conf file. You just add this line in there...

MM> digest-algo SHA256

MM> ...and it will be used as your default one. TBat will accept this
too.

It worked - thanks!

MM> Basically, it is safer to encrypt a TBat backup file(s), and the
\Mail
MM> folder (when is not in use, for instance), using some fine algorithm
in
MM> GnuPG, than to use TBat's EOTF (so called "Encryption On The Fly"),
MM> since those are very different technologies and of very different
MM> quality. (In TBat the EOTF is added more for a fancy reasons than to
be
MM> of a real and safe use.)

I thought about switching to TB! Pro for the "EOTF", but decided not
to. I just installed TrueCrypt, and may move mail files to an
encrypted drive there. Of course, that would require starting it up
first, but I could probably remember that after a few false starts.

Thanks again for all of your help. I think I'm getting GnuPG to the
point that I can safely uninstall PGP.

- -- 
Cheers,
Rick


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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 22 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 16:19:31 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> I've created a new key and tried to add some preferences per the
> above, but am now stymied: how do I select which one I want it to use?
> I want the default to be SHA256, but no matter what I've tried it
> stills uses SHA1. Obviously I'm doing something wrong.

No, you are doing that quite fine. It will just add SHA1, 3DES and ZIP,
Uncompressed by default, no matter what selection you choose otherwise.
This will do no harm, while a _lack_ of some of these "features" could.

There is just one thing you have to do and this is to set the default
algorithm in your gpg.conf file. You just add this line in there...

digest-algo SHA256

...and it will be used as your default one. TBat will accept this too.

  ~.~

(There are people who still use MD5 for instance, but for other purposes
than signing/encrypting, like making MD5/SHA1 "hashes" for/of various
files and so. -- I like to use TIGER192 algorithm for such purposes and
to confuse them. (-: Besides, it is more complex and tricky and is
created by a quite different and modern technology.)

Basically, it is safer to encrypt a TBat backup file(s), and the \Mail
folder (when is not in use, for instance), using some fine algorithm in
GnuPG, than to use TBat's EOTF (so called "Encryption On The Fly"),
since those are very different technologies and of very different
quality. (In TBat the EOTF is added more for a fancy reasons than to be
of a real and safe use.)

Add to this the fact that corporative, NSA, algorithms (the whole SHA
family, forced in and by PGP, where RIPEMD belongs to as well pretty
much, after the technology used in the process of its conception) are
being constantly attacked by Chineses (and they are really good in it,
having some mystic exotic tricks in mathematics, and in general), so
that is safer to use something else (or a SHA with more bits, for now,
256 and higher) for privacy/civil(ian) purposes.

(Today's, "altered", PGP of course will not admit this, it's their job,
and will kick, gasp, wiggle and scratch, it's usual behavior, will deny
and oppose, but the very fact that user today has to give all that
private data -- it's incredible that many really do that -- and just in
order to download _privacy_ protecting software should speak for itself,
no. The smell is quite easy to feel far and wide.)

  ***

All of that should be given a more careful consideration on the side of
TBat developers as well, when they are going to do something real
quality, solid and reliable as to the some "encryption feature" built in
into The Flying Mammal / Letuchaya mish / {P|Š}išmiš / Leteći
sis{oje|avac|ar}.

- --
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 in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mica,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 10:08:22 PM, you wrote:

MM> setpref (and here you choose wanted hashes -- see the table below)
MM> ...and then when you are finished, you type in this...
MM> save
MM> ...hit [enter] button and your key preferences are updated.

MM> The list of abbreviations for algorithms is here...

MM>##
MM># Cipher-Algos:# Digest-Algos:# Compress-Algos:  #
MM>##

MM> ...so you can choose what you prefer (you may choose them all and
what
MM> is not applicable will be simply omitted), and write it in the
form...

MM> setpref S10 S9 S8 (and so on) H11 H10 (etc) Z3 Z2 (etc)

I've created a new key and tried to add some preferences per the
above, but am now stymied: how do I select which one I want it to use?
I want the default to be SHA256, but no matter what I've tried it
stills uses SHA1. Obviously I'm doing something wrong.

- -- 
Thanks,
Rick




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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Peter,

Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 1:07:43 AM, you wrote:

PM> Have a look at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4171 and say if
PM> this is the behavior you mean. For the time being, I seem to have been
PM> the only victim of this quirk - *if* it's the same...

PM>> ,- [ OpenPGP Error ]
PM>> | gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
PM>> | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available
PM>> `-

I get something similar, although I obviously have an e-mail address.
Usually, but not always, I can decrypt or verify signatures, but often
get this error message when trying to encrypt or sign.

I also have problems with WinPT sometimes; it seems to lose focus on
the active window. However, a friend of mine is communicating with the
developer on that, so maybe we can get that resolved. But my
preference of course would be to use TB!'s integrated privacy tools.

-- 
Thanks,
Rick



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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Richard,

on Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:14:05 +0500GMT (14.10.2006, 19:14 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

[set up GnuPG]

RHS> I've done this and was able to select GnPG. I then edited the file
RHS> preferences to point it to my keyrings, but I still get an error
RHS> message that "no secret key available" even though the key manager
RHS> shows my key as the default. What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4171 and say if
this is the behavior you mean. For the time being, I seem to have been
the only victim of this quirk - *if* it's the same...

-- 
Cheers
Peter

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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mica,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 10:08:22 PM, you wrote:

MM> More specific and "expert" answers you'll most probably get on the
MM> other, PGP, more specialized, list, as for GnuPG alone, while the
MM> matters of Bat's and GnuPG's integration have better chance to be solved
MM> here. I guess. Even only in theory. (:

That was a heck of a response - thanks much. At least I know my
problems with TB!/GnuGP aren't unique, i.e., it ain't all due to my
ineptness. And I think I will opt for a quick migration to GnuPG even
though I do have a licensed version of PGP.

Any further questions I'll post to one of the GPG/PGP lists unless I'm
pretty sure it's a TB! issue.

-- 
Cheers,
Rick




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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 16 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 19:47:56 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> With WinPT, I have the option of creating an RSA key up to 4096; with
> PGP I can create an RSA key only up to 2048, while a DH/DSS key can go
> to 4096. Which is the better option for PGP? (Eventually I will phase
> out of using PGP, but need to have GnuGP working reliably first.)

It is safer/best to create new keys using GnuPG. (PGP will manage then
with 3072 bits RSA keys quite fine, and even with bigger ones.) Besides,
GnuPG as such is reliable always (which is not case with other crypto
software, including the "modern" PGP). In combinations with other
programs it may vary (as you experience yourself). Best combination (so
far) is GnuPG + GPGShell (and of mailers + The Bat).

> Also, how do I change the hash algorithm? With PGP v8.1 I have several
> algorithm options, but they all seem to result in a hash SHA1.

SHA1 is also unsafe algorithm. In GnuPG you add/remove hashes and the
rest by updating the key preferences. It is done by typing in on the
command line (in Windows the DOS Prompt -- Start | Run | cmd | [OK])...

gpg --edit-key (and here you type in ID of the key you want to edit)

...then you type in...

setpref (and here you choose wanted hashes -- see the table below)

...and then when you are finished, you type in this...

save

...hit [enter] button and your key preferences are updated.

   *

The list of abbreviations for algorithms is here...

   ##
   # Cipher-Algos:# Digest-Algos:# Compress-Algos:  #
   ##
   #  #  # Z0  Uncompressed #
   # S1  IDEA # H1  MD5  # Z1  ZIP  #
   # S2  3DES # H2  SHA1 # Z2  ZLIB #
   # S3  CAST5# H3  RIPEMD160# Z3  BZIP2#
   # S4  BLOWFISH #  #  #
   #  #  #  #
   #  # H6  TIGER192 #  #
   # S7  AES  #  #  #
   # S8  AES192   # H8  SHA256   #  #
   # S9  AES256   # H9  SHA384   #  #
   # S10 TWOFISH  # H10 SHA512   #  #
   #  # H11 SHA224   #  #
   ##

...so you can choose what you prefer (you may choose them all and what
is not applicable will be simply omitted), and write it in the form...

setpref S10 S9 S8 (and so on) H11 H10 (etc) Z3 Z2 (etc)

...just bear in mind that for H6, the TIGER192 algorithm, you will need
specially modified version of GnuPG with more features, and if you
really need it for any reasons you may download such one here
. It also is able to create
keys up to 16,384 bits and has some other handy additions.

These GPG versions are like any other ones, just having more features,
so it works well with The Flying Suc...Mammal too. You install it by
simply copying its files over already installed ones.


> I'm still having some problems with TB!'s integration. For example, I
> seem to be able to decrypt okay - most of the time - but tonight it
> still tells me there is no secret key when I try to sign/encrypt using
> its privacy menu options. WinPT, on the other hand, was working
> tonight, although now I'm having troubles again. (It keeps defaulting
> to another open message to sign, and after closing that one it now
> tells me there it could not extract text from the window.) Again, maybe
> if I use just one of them I'll be okay.

Integrated decryption works with no problem in TBat, using GnuPG. Tricky
is with encryption however, since this part of the Bat's being is a bit
dull, a bit stubborn and a bit seemingly retarded a longer time already
in this regard, so I manage other way for mail encryption (using
Clipboard feature in GPGShell, most of the time).

> Thanks for all of the advice and assistance.

As the Sir McAntony Dubbya of/von Boom would say, You Was Welcomes. (-:

More specific and "expert" answers you'll most probably get on the
other, PGP, more specialized, list, as for GnuPG alone, while the
matters of Bat's and GnuPG's integration have better chance to be solved
here. I guess. Even only in theory. (:

- --
Mica
 ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
 in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
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   http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mica,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:01:06 PM, you wrote:

MM> Richard, whatever might be the case, and your DSA key certainly is not
MM> the reason, you should anyway make a new -- but an RSA -- key, of at
MM> least some honest 3072 bits, since DSA keys are not safe as they were
MM> once (upon a time) and hence should be gradually withdrawn from (active)
MM> cryptographic life.

I was going to do that one of these days anyway. With WinPT, I have
the option of creating an RSA key up to 4096; with PGP I can create an
RSA key only up to 2048, while a DH/DSS key can go to 4096. Which is
the better option for PGP? (Eventually I will phase out of using PGP,
but need to have GnuGP working reliably first.)

Also, how do I change the hash algorithm? With PGP v8.1 I have several
algorithm options, but they all seem to result in a hash SHA1.

MM> As for the inconsistent work of the crypto "band" the members of are
MM> here TBat, WinPT and GnuPG, I suspect that WinPT is the one that is
MM> causing it. Its author also himself hints (on the other list) that it is
MM> the possible reason, due to certain incompleteness of this software. Try
MM> GPGShell instead and I think you'll not have such problems anymore.

I think I've identified my problem. Yesterday I used only PGP and it
worked just fine, both encrypting and decrypting. Tonight it started
out okay, but then I started WinPT to check it out, and now PGP claims
it can't copy text from the window. Seems there's a conflict when both
are running. The obvious solution, of course, is to use only one of
them at a time.

MM> As for The Bat, in this, crypto, regard, it also is not quite
MM> "complete", despite its very good (one of the best) integration with
MM> GnuPG, and although it makes no problem in this particular case you
MM> describe it should be "corrected" at least as for the list of keys it
MM> offers, the list that is "filtered" after the addresses of particular
MM> account and thus very annoyingly limited. _All_ the user's keys being on
MM> his key-ring(s) should appear and be at disposal on such a list,
MM> regardless whether the addresses in key IDs correspond to the actual
MM> account we work at the moment or not, or whether these IDs have some
MM> email address at all or not.

I'm still having some problems with TB!'s integration. For example, I
seem to be able to decrypt okay - most of the time - but tonight it
still tells me there is no secret key when I try to sign/encrypt using
its privacy menu options. WinPT, on the other hand, was working
tonight, although now I'm having troubles again. (It keeps defaulting
to another open message to sign, and after closing that one it now
tells me there it could not extract text from the window.) Again, maybe
if I use just one of them I'll be okay.

Thanks for all of the advice and assistance.

-- 
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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 15 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 07:14:35 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> Mica,

> Saturday, October 14, 2006, 11:25:54 PM, you wrote:

MM>> If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well
MM>> (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the
MM>> "combo" with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly
MM>> installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry.

> It appears to be working. I've played with it some more since my
> earlier post, and it now decrypts and verifies signatures just fine.
> (Or at least those of the person with whom I've been testing it.)

> When I try to sign or encrypt, it gives the pass phrase dialog box,
> but then I get an error message saying there is no default secret key.
> I've repeatedly checked the preferences to make sure the paths are
> correct, but still can't get over this hurdle.

> This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once again,
> and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The DSA subkey can
> sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which has a different subkey
> id, can encrypt. (The default id is the DSA key number.) Neither of
> them have the authenticate box checked. Is this my problem? And if so,
> how do I overcome it? Should I just generate a new keypair and use
> different settings?

Richard, whatever might be the case, and your DSA key certainly is not
the reason, you should anyway make a new -- but an RSA -- key, of at
least some honest 3072 bits, since DSA keys are not safe as they were
once (upon a time) and hence should be gradually withdrawn from (active)
cryptographic life.

On how to make easily and quickly such a key (using GnuPG) you have
instructions here, if you need them: <http://blueness.port5.com/gpg/>,
"2. How to make a key in GnuPG using command line".

Since these instructions are based on mainly default values, if you want
to enable the "Authenticate" function, just toggle the "A" value, when
these values are offered.

   *

As for the inconsistent work of the crypto "band" the members of are
here TBat, WinPT and GnuPG, I suspect that WinPT is the one that is
causing it. Its author also himself hints (on the other list) that it is
the possible reason, due to certain incompleteness of this software. Try
GPGShell instead and I think you'll not have such problems anymore.

   *

As for The Bat, in this, crypto, regard, it also is not quite
"complete", despite its very good (one of the best) integration with
GnuPG, and although it makes no problem in this particular case you
describe it should be "corrected" at least as for the list of keys it
offers, the list that is "filtered" after the addresses of particular
account and thus very annoyingly limited. _All_ the user's keys being on
his key-ring(s) should appear and be at disposal on such a list,
regardless whether the addresses in key IDs correspond to the actual
account we work at the moment or not, or whether these IDs have some
email address at all or not.

The ways user uses his/her crypto software must not be limited in any
way, particularly not by a "third" applications, like mailers are and
similar (since they have absolutely nothing with the ways crypto
strategies are applied and _must not_ interfere and tinker with it) and
the said conception is long since outdated, very limited and rigid,
being thus not very merrily functional.

To the correction like this should be given highest priority, after the
level of its essential importance of course, not after "popularity" some
"wish" is rated, that is after the number of members who "vote" some
less or more idio...matic (and often quite redundant) "feature" for.

This is the reason why I myself do not take part in any "whish list"
creation, since such conception (based on the numbers and not on the
essential sense) makes no any functional and serious sense and is thus
pretty much useless and resource wasting.

- --
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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Scott,

Sunday, October 15, 2006, 8:00:23 AM, you wrote:

SF> Did you sign your own key? If not try that.

Yes, I did sign it earlier. It's gotta be something else.

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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Scott Frederick]

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Hello Richard,

Saturday, October 14, 2006, 7:14:35 PM, you wrote:

RHS> This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once
RHS> again, and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The
RHS> DSA subkey can sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which
RHS> has a different subkey id, can encrypt. (The default id is the
RHS> DSA key number.) Neither of them have the authenticate box
RHS> checked. Is this my problem? And if so, how do I overcome it?
RHS> Should I just generate a new keypair and use different settings?

Did you sign your own key? If not try that.

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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mica,

Saturday, October 14, 2006, 11:25:54 PM, you wrote:

MM> If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well
MM> (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the
MM> "combo" with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly
MM> installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry.

It appears to be working. I've played with it some more since my
earlier post, and it now decrypts and verifies signatures just fine.
(Or at least those of the person with whom I've been testing it.)

When I try to sign or encrypt, it gives the pass phrase dialog box,
but then I get an error message saying there is no default secret key.
I've repeatedly checked the preferences to make sure the paths are
correct, but still can't get over this hurdle.

This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once again,
and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The DSA subkey can
sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which has a different subkey
id, can encrypt. (The default id is the DSA key number.) Neither of
them have the authenticate box checked. Is this my problem? And if so,
how do I overcome it? Should I just generate a new keypair and use
different settings?

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Rick




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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 21:30:39 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I
> installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it
> would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as
> well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app
> I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text
> or is not the last input focus.

> Does anyone have any idea what is going on??

If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well
(for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the
"combo" with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly
installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry.

If you have installed it using gpg4win installer, then it has done all
this work for you automatically in the setup process.

If WinPT, as a part of this installation, doesn't work properly, then
probably is problem with it itself. Try to use GPGShell instead
(touching not your present installation; just install GPGShell, and it
will automatically find and recognize GnuPG and its parameters).

- --
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 in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Alexander,

Saturday, October 14, 2006, 9:37:24 PM, you wrote:

ASK> In TB's main mindow, go to the Tools menu and choose OpenPGP /
ASK> Select OpenPGP version. In the window that opens, GnuPG should be
ASK> available. If its greyed out, you must add the path to the gpg
ASK> executables to the PATH environment variable (right click on My
ASK> Computer, Properties, Advanced, Environment Variables, check the
ASK> box "System Variables", it contains a variable "path" - you must
ASK> have admin rights to edit it).

I've done this and was able to select GnPG. I then edited the file
preferences to point it to my keyrings, but I still get an error
message that "no secret key available" even though the key manager
shows my key as the default. What am I doing wrong?

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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Richard H. Stoddard & everyone else,

on 14-Okt-2006 at 18:30 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote:

> I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I
> installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it
> would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as
> well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app
> I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text
> or is not the last input focus.

Tray app? I don't think you need it.

> Does anyone have any idea what is going on??

In TB's main mindow, go to the Tools menu and choose OpenPGP / Select
OpenPGP version. In the window that opens, GnuPG should be available. If
its greyed out, you must add the path to the gpg executables to the PATH
environment variable (right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced,
Environment Variables, check the box "System Variables", it contains a
variable "path" - you must have admin rights to edit it).

-- 
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 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de)

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TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I
installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it
would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as
well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app
I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text
or is not the last input focus.

Does anyone have any idea what is going on??

-- 
Thanks,
Rick



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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Chris,

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:13:16 -0500 (7:13 PM here), Chris [C] wrote in
:


>> As I found out recently, don't use a period (.) as that will render
>> invalid signatures for some mail software.

C> That might actually be a SMTP problem  So, a
C> period on a line by itself tells the server that you are done with
C> the message.

Thanks for the url and the expanation. Needless to say, I removed the
period after tracing down the problem.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Chris]

On Thursday, December 18, 2003 at 5:59:08 PM, Kevin Coates wrote in
the message "Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3.
signature" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> As I found out recently, don't use a period (.) as that will render
> invalid signatures for some mail software.
That might actually be a SMTP problem. When e-mail is sent (at least
using a telnet client), the server says (this one is an Exchange
server), after the DATA command: "354 Start mail input; end with
." So, a period on a line by itself tells the server that
you are done with the message. Therefore, anything after the period is
cut off, causing the invalid signature.

See http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc821.html sections 4.1.1 and 4.5.2

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Marck,

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:31:41 + (6:31 PM here), Marck D Pearlstone
[MDP] wrote in :

MDP> I just use the single quote ' character. What's that .. an ASCII
MDP> 39. Use whatever you want really.

As I found out recently, don't use a period (.) as that will render
invalid signatures for some mail software.

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Edgar,

@17-Dec-2003, 20:24 +0100 (17-Dec 19:24 UK time) Edgar said to
Marck:

>>> How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature?
>> Only by introducing a spacing character in the line, as I do here.
> How do I get it there? is it a  combination? (Forgot the
> code for that one) can you help?

I just use the single quote ' character. What's that .. an ASCII 39.
Use whatever you want really.

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Edgar]

Hello Marck,

On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 10:10:08 PM, you wrote:

>> How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature?
> Only by introducing a spacing character in the line, as I do here.
How do I get it there? is it a  combination? (Forgot the
code for that one) can you help?

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 Edgar

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Marck,

On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 2:35:43 PM PST, you wrote:

> support. Any blank lines are stripped before the signature is added.

Oh...okay. Since I use PGP with the TB! integration, when I want to
use GnuPG with TB!, I just use the GPGshell HotKeys, so I've never
noticed what happens when using the GnuPG/TB integration.

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Melissa,

@16-Dec-2003, 14:05 -0800 (16-Dec 22:05 UK time) Melissa Reese said
to Edgar:

> There's no need to add an actual character on the line after your
> actual message.

This is not true in the case of using GnuPG via the built-in
support. Any blank lines are stripped before the signature is added.

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Melissa Reese]

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Hi Edgar,

On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 11:40:22 AM PST, you wrote:

> How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature?

You can add a line space at the end of your template. You can check to
be sure it's the proper line space by doing Ctrl+A on your message,
and if the selected area shows a full selected area across the whole
screen at the level of your last line (instead of ending abruptly
after the last word in your message), then there will be a blank line
between the last line in your message and the beginning of the
signature.

There's no need to add an actual character on the line after your
actual message.

I usually PGP/MIME sign messages to this list, but I'll clear sign
this one.

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Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Edgar,

@16-Dec-2003, 20:40 +0100 (16-Dec 19:40 UK time) Edgar said to All:

> When I switched to the 1.2.3 version of Gnupg, the signature is
> right under my mailto link.

> Although I've added some space underneath it the signature will
> remove it and place it self right behind my message.

> How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature?

Only by introducing a spacing character in the line, as I do here.

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[Edgar]

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Hello All,

When I switched to the 1.2.3 version of Gnupg, the signature is
right under my mailto link.

Although I've added some space underneath it the signature will
remove it and place it self right behind my message.

How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature?

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 Edgar

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Re[2]: receipient's name format and GnuPG

[Bernhard Groll]

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Hi!

Tuesday, May 29, 2001, 1:31:32 PM, you wrote:

> Watch those folder templates

Sorry, I just realized myself that my mails were sent twice. It's
fixed now.

Bernhard Groll

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Re: receipient's name format and GnuPG

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Bernhard,

On 29 May 2001 at  12:22:20 +0200 (which was 11:22 where I live)
Bernhard Groll wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

>> Yes. You can use a template which defines the To field like this:
>> %TO=''%TO='"%ABtoLASTNAME=''%TOLNAME'' %ABtoFIRSTNAME=''%TOFNAME''" <%TOADDR>'

BG> Thanks, it works. But what are these %ABto[...]=''[...]'' for?

They use the name defined in the address book in the case where a
"reply" has put in a name which doesn't conform to how you normally
address that individual. The syntax I have used allows these names to
default to the name from the original TO address in the case where
there is no address book entry available.

BG> %TO=""%TO="%TOFNAME %TOLNAME <%TOADDR>" seems to work, too. (I
BG> changed the order because I need the first name in front.)

Fair enough.


Watch those folder templates

Yours is wrongly set up and just has a %TO='blah' without the %to=''
first.

You don't need to use folder templates for this list - use Address
Book templates instead.


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Re[2]: receipient's name format and GnuPG

[Bernhard Groll]

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Hi!

Tuesday, May 29, 2001, 11:42:00 AM, you wrote:

> Yes. You can use a template which defines the To field like this:
> %TO=''%TO='"%ABtoLASTNAME=''%TOLNAME'' %ABtoFIRSTNAME=''%TOFNAME''" <%TOADDR>'

Thanks, it works. But what are these %ABto[...]=''[...]'' for?
%TO=""%TO="%TOFNAME %TOLNAME <%TOADDR>" seems to work, too. (I changed
the order because I need the first name in front.)

Bernhard Groll

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Re: receipient's name format and GnuPG

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Bernhard,

On 29 May 2001 at  11:19:38 +0200 (which was 10:19 where I live)
Bernhard Groll wrote to The Bat! User's Discussion List and made these
points:

BG> My probem: I want the names in my address book shown as "last name,
BG> first name" but in a message TO they shall appear as "first name
BG> last name " so GnuPG can find the right user id.
BG> Is there any way to do this without changing the TO field manually
BG> every time?

Yes. You can use a template which defines the To field like this:

%TO=''%TO='"%ABtoLASTNAME=''%TOLNAME'' %ABtoFIRSTNAME=''%TOFNAME''" <%TOADDR>'

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receipient's name format and GnuPG

[Bernhard Groll]

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Hi!

My probem: I want the names in my address book shown as "last name,
first name" but in a message TO they shall appear as "first name
last name " so GnuPG can find the right user id.
Is there any way to do this without changing the TO field manually
every time?
Thanks in advance.

Bernhard Groll

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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Silviu,

On 12 May 2001 at  11:48:37 +0300 (which was 09:48 where I  live)
Silviu Cojocaru wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

SC> Why does TB have problems when trying to import GnuPG public
SC> keys ?

This might be the moment to mention PGP-Basics, a very good and
friendly PGP learners list. You'll find many TBUDL members there. You
can sign up at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

[Silviu Cojocaru]

Thursday, May 10, 2001, 4:26:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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>> Its my opinion that GPG is not ready for windows yet,

> GPG is not even available for Windows ... it's for DOS  ;-)

>> but have fun.

> oh, but i have !
> seriously, it works just fine ... only TheBat! has a problem calling it for
> signing stuff (mentioned that to get on-topic again ...)


Why does TB have problems when trying to import GnuPG public
keys ?

This occurs for messages and even if I copy that key block to a
file then try to import it, the same thing occurs. I use OpenPGP
that's supplied with TB.

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Re: The Bat and GnuPg ?

[rob]

> Yes, it appears that TB! chooses the default Key if you have more than
> one...

And if you only have one Secret Key, it does not use the full ID !! In my case it only
takes the first name and 'forgets' to include my last name. Clear-signing then fails 
...

> I've sent in a Bug Report quoting Disastry's find,

I also sent in a bug report about the 'last name' issue.

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Re: The Bat and GnuPg ?

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On May 10, 2001, at 5:29:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> like Disastry already pointed out, there's something very wrong with the
> way TB! calls GnuPG with the "--default-key %s" parameter.

Yes, it appears that TB! chooses the default Key if you have more than
one... and it may very well *not* be the Key you wanted used. Add to that
the confusing behaviour of the 'smart matching' feature and you really
have a mess.

I've sent in a Bug Report quoting Disastry's find, so hopefully RITLabs
will remedy the situation. Max said that he would come out with a new
Plugin once GPG 1.0.5 was released. It's been released so it shouldn't be
too long before we see that new Plugin.


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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

[Rob]

Hello all,

on Thu, 10 May 2001, at 07:18:54 local time (GMT -0700), Ryan wrote:

> untrue.  GPG has a console 32 bit Windows executable.

as far as i know it only runs in a DOS box by typing commands at the DOS
prompt ; is that what you mean too ??

> There is also a windows interface to it.

i know, i'm using it ...
but that's a shell and it does not make GnuPG a 'true' Windows/GUI
application (whatever that is).
don't get me wrong, i like GnuPG and use it ... but GnuPG itself is not
what most people have in mind when you say 'Windows' ;-)

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Re[2]: ! and GnuPg ?

[Ryan Phillips]

Thursday, May 10, 2001, 6:26:04 AM, you wrote:

rgdn> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
rgdn> Hash: SHA1

>> Its my opinion that GPG is not ready for windows yet,

rgdn> GPG is not even available for Windows ... it's for DOS  ;-)

untrue.  GPG has a console 32 bit Windows executable.  There is also a
windows interface to it.

>> but have fun.

rgdn> oh, but i have !
rgdn> seriously, it works just fine ... only TheBat! has a problem calling it for
rgdn> signing stuff (mentioned that to get on-topic again ...)

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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

[rob]

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> Its my opinion that GPG is not ready for windows yet,

GPG is not even available for Windows ... it's for DOS  ;-)

> but have fun.

oh, but i have !
seriously, it works just fine ... only TheBat! has a problem calling it for
signing stuff (mentioned that to get on-topic again ...)

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The Bat and GnuPg ?

[rob]

> Looks like GPG doen't like my RSA key though it's defined as
> default, always the DSA key is used.

Peter,

Next time check if the "ID" in TheBat's OpenPGP pop-up window is the same as in your
keyring. I just noticed that the ID-line only shows my first name (+ e-mail), while the
keyring has first & last name ... when i added my lastname to the ID and entered the
passphrase i could sign my messages !! ;-)
so, like Disastry already pointed out, there's something very wrong with the way TB! 
calls
GnuPG with the "--default-key %s" parameter.

btw ; i changed the subject ... it looks like 'something' removes the string 'TheBat' 
if
that's the very first text in the subject ?! i posted the first post in the thread as
"TheBat! and GnuPG ?" and it came back as "! and GnuPG ?" so i put "TheBat" back in 
when
replying to a post and it disappeared again ... ? 

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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

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PK> Looks like GPG doen't like my RSA key though it's defined as
PK> default, always the DSA key is used.

You need to put the driver files in the GPG directory and tell GPG that
they are there for use before it'll accept other that basic DH stuff.

Its my opinion that GPG is not ready for windows yet, but have fun.
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! and GnuPg ?

[rob]

> Looks like GPG doen't like my RSA key though it's defined as
> default, always the DSA key is used.

that's strange ... i only have a DSA key and i get an error saying 'default secret key 
not
available' ?! maybe i should generate a RSA key to get it working ?  ;-)

> The 'Version:' line doesn't show the GnuPGshell part.

you only get that when using GnuPG thru GnuPGShell, not in TheBat!
if i understand correctly, you don't really need GnuPGShell to use GnuPG in TheBat! 
... ??
as long as GnuPG is in the right dir. with a good 'options' file it should work with 
TB!

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! and GnuPg ?

[Peter Kaleve]

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Nick,

NA> Peter, are you using GPG through TB!'s Plugin?

yes

NA> If so, how did manage to change the comment line?

Simply via the "Preferences" dialog of GnuPGshell, in the GnuPG...
section there is a [comment] entry. Text filled in there will show
up in GnuPG's options file.

NA> Are you experiencing any problems using 1.0.5 with TB!,

Looks like GPG doen't like my RSA key though it's defined as
default, always the DSA key is used.

The 'Version:' line doesn't show the GnuPGshell part.

GnuPG/GnuPGshell/The Bat! plugin erase all blank lines after the
end of the msg text, so by no means it's possible to get the blank
line between eot and the GPG signature.

/pk

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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 9, 2001, at 8:32:08 AM, Peter Kaleve wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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> Comment: Protect Privacy!

Peter, are you using GPG through TB!'s Plugin? If so, how did manage to
change the comment line? Are you experiencing any problems using 1.0.5
with TB!, because I don't believe Maxim designed the Plugin to work with
GnuPG 1.0.5.

However, he did say earlier that once the new GPG version was released,
that he would go to work on a new Plugin that would take advantage of some
1.0.5 improvements as they relate to Plugin development.


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[Peter Kaleve]

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Rob,

R> error-message : "no default secret key ; secret key not available"
R> no problems signing with GnuPG from the command-line or with GnuPGShell.

may be this is a bug with v1.52 - try the latest beta (1.52f) from
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
(simply extract the executable over your existing one)

/pk

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! and GnuPg ?

[Rob]

Hello bat(wo)men,

i just installed GnuPG (1.0.5) and GnuPGShell (1.74), but can't get GnuPG
working 100% with TheBat! ; it will verify signatures, but i can not sign
messages myself ?!

error-message : "no default secret key ; secret key not available"

no problems signing with GnuPG from the command-line or with GnuPGShell.

anybody here using GnuPG with TheBat! ??
support for it is new in 1.52 ...

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