Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Lars!

On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 7:15:27 PM you wrote:

> There is another alternative for the command line friends: :-)
> http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarw32.exe offers a command line unRAR
> program which can handle all versions of RAR compression.

One more: Squeez (current version) does it. http://www.speedproject.de/ has a
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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

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The moment I hit *send* I realised that I had forgotten to reformat
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Turning off wrap in GPG does work of course but it is frustrating when
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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Gerard]

ON Friday, May 31, 2002, 11:02:21 AM, you wrote:


RD> I have had this with 1.60m on both Windows ME and XP

Hi Ray,
 I can see the n version available for download.
 Must be an other bug fix.
 http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb160n.zip

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

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On Friday, May 31, 2002, 11:49:09 AM, Cilfa wrote:

> I tried to download tb160k from the ftp-adress, but the rar-file
> seems to be corrupt. WinRar gives this error: "Unknown method in
> thebat.exe". Is there a working version I can download somewhere? I
> know I can use 160m, but because I'm using Windows XP, I'm a bit
> hesitant about that one.

you are probably using an old rar unpacker. you need winrar 2.9 or
later or ultimatezip or something else which will deal with winrar
version 3 format files.

> UltimateZip (free software)
> http://www.ultimatezip.com/
> 
> StuffIt Expander (free software)
> http://www.stuffit.com/expander/winindex.html
> 
> 
> 
> WinRAR (40-day trial software)
> http://www.rarlab.com/


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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Robert,
On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 16:27:33 [GMT +0300], you wrote:

>>> Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo
>>> Casals)

RG> My German is extremely poor, but I think it says something like "As
RG> long as man can rejoice (admire) and love, he will always be young."

This is the correct translation. If that's what you call 'extremely
poor', I don't want to know how good you are in the languages you speak
fluently! ;-)

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Jonathan,
On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 11:54:58 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

JA> From what everybody else has said... some versions of WinRAR cannot
JA> read the compression type used in the latest version of RAR that TB!
JA> developers used...

That's correct. Only 2.9 and 3.0 can unrar the latest RAR-format.

JA> Either update or try UltimateZip (www.ultimatezip.com)... it's free
JA> by all accounts.

But only the latest beta (2.7 beta 3) is able to decompress this format.

There is another alternative for the command line friends: :-)
http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarw32.exe offers a command line unRAR
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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, May 31, 2002, Cilfa wrote...

> I tried to download tb160k from the ftp-adress, but the rar-file seems
> to be corrupt. WinRar gives this error: "Unknown method in
> thebat.exe". Is there a working version I can download somewhere?
> I know I can use 160m, but because I'm using Windows XP, I'm a bit
> hesitant about that one.

>From  what  everybody  else has said... some versions of WinRAR cannot
read  the  compression type used in the latest version of RAR that TB!
developers used...EitherupdateortryUltimateZip
(www.ultimatezip.com)... it's free by all accounts.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Cilfa]

Hi,

Daniel Grunberg wrote:
> tb160k.rar is available at ftp.ritlabs.com. tb160k.rar contains a
> compressed version of thebat.exe, which can be used to install TheBat!
> version 160k.

I tried to download tb160k from the ftp-adress, but the rar-file seems
to be corrupt. WinRar gives this error: "Unknown method in
thebat.exe". Is there a working version I can download somewhere?
I know I can use 160m, but because I'm using Windows XP, I'm a bit
hesitant about that one.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Mrten!

On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 3:08:12 PM you wrote:

> sure. my german is a bit rusty (niederdeutsch! :), but i think it is
> correct :)

It is. Thank you, haven't received the original question before it was
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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Andrea,

on Thu, 30 May 2002 17:12:49 -0500GMT (which was 31.05.02, 00:12 +0200GMT
where I live), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

AZ> Ah. It was also suggested to me (I love the passive voice!) that I try
AZ> an earlier version. But when I went to the Web site, 1.60m was the
AZ> only one I found available for download. This is my first run with TB!
AZ> so I don't have an .exe file from an earlier version to copy in. So
AZ> how would I try an earlier version?

You can get older versions here:
http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/

Note the difference between "thebat.exe" and "the_bat.exe". The latter is
for completely installing TB!, while the other can be used to replace the
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Downgrading to 1.69k (was: 1.60m - State of the art?)

[Thomas F]

Hello Daniel,

On Fri, 31 May 2002 09:26:44 -0400 GMT (31/05/02, 20:26 +0700 GMT),
Daniel Grunberg wrote:

DG> tb160k.rar is available at ftp.ritlabs.com. tb160k.rar contains a
DG> compressed version of thebat.exe, which can be used to install
DG> TheBat! version 160k.

The correct link is ftp.ritlabs.com/beta/tb160k.rar and it cannot be
used to install TB - it is just the .exe.

DG> 3. Uninstall TheBat! [Windows | Start | Settings | Control Panel |
DG> Add/Remove Programs | choose TheBat! | Add/Remove | Yes]. Uninstall
DG> everything (registry etc.) that TheBat!'s Unistall asks about.

No. Just close TB, and copy the unrar'ed file thebat.exe over the
existing file of the same name in your TB directory. The .rar file
does not contain an installer.

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Re: CC to list (was Re: 1.60m - State of the art?)

[Thomas F]

Hello Marck,

On Fri, 31 May 2002 13:19:50 +0100 GMT (31/05/02, 19:19 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> ,- [ Extract of ReMod QT ]
>> The list server holds up messages for moderator approval where the
>> 'To:' is not the list, just in case it is the result of a folder
>> template gone wild.

Oh no! You're taking all the fun out of (other people's) folder
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Re: Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Ray Dawson]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Carren Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MDP> If you have then I think it wasn't TB leaking! It only leaks on
> Win2k
> MDP> and XP - CMIIW.


> I am afraid that I have serious doubts about this. I am also running
> 98 and since upgrading to v.m have been experiencing *weird* problems
> similar to some of those mentioned by others. Sometimes the TB! window
> doesn't re-draw properly and dialogue boxes etc sometimes *hang
> around* in a kind of shadow state for a few seconds after closing
> them. This can be menu lists or anything which generally stay behind
> as a white square/rectangle for a short time before finally
> disappearing as they should.

I have had this with 1.60m on both Windows ME and XP

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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Joseph N.]

Danke.

JN

 Mrten wrote on Friday, May 31, 2002:

>>> Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo
>>> Casals)

> As long as one can love and admire, one is ever young (of heart).



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Re[3]: 1.60m - State of the art?

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Friday, May 31, 2002, 4:00:21 PM, you wrote:

>> Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo
>> Casals)

My  German  is  extremely poor, but I think it says something like "As
long as man can rejoice (admire) and love, he will always be young."

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Daniel Grunberg]

Thu, 30 May 2002 17:12:49[GMT -0500]   (6:12 PM EDST) Andrea Zuercher
wrote:

> when I went to the Web site, 1.60m was the
> only one I found available for download. This is my first run with TB!
> so I don't have an .exe file from an earlier version to copy in. So
> how would I try an earlier version?

tb160k.rar is available at ftp.ritlabs.com. tb160k.rar contains a
compressed version of thebat.exe, which can be used to install TheBat!
version 160k.

Freeware program UltimateZip, http://www.ultimatezip.com/ , can be
used to decompress .rar files.

"Downgrade" to TheBat! v160k as follows:

1. Backup your accounts and common folders [Tools | Backup | when
you're asked what to backup, check every box].

2. Exit TheBat!

3. Uninstall TheBat! [Windows | Start | Settings | Control Panel |
Add/Remove Programs | choose TheBat! | Add/Remove | Yes]. Uninstall
everything (registry etc.) that TheBat!'s Unistall asks about.

4. Run thebat.exe for the version you want to "downgrade to (in your
case 1.60k). Elect to restore your your account from the backup file
you made in step 1, when thebat.exe asks you to open an account.


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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Mrten]

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Om 15:00 op vrijdag 31 mei 2002, Joseph N.:

>> Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo
>> Casals)

As long as one can love and admire, one is ever young (of heart).

> Willing to provide a translation?

sure. my german is a bit rusty (niederdeutsch! :), but i think it is
correct :)

Mrten.

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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Joseph N.]

 Dierk Haasis wrote on Friday, May 31, 2002:

> Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo
> Casals)

Willing to provide a translation?



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CC to list (was Re: 1.60m - State of the art?)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Andrea,

@31 May 2002, 07:00:39 -0500 (13:00 UK time) Andrea Zuercher wrote in
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> ... I thought I'd posted a message ... but it didn't show up.

Just to clarify what happened to it ... any messages where CC is used
to reach the list are intercepted for moderation. I usually reply to
sender with this explanation:

,- [ Extract of ReMod QT ]
> The list server holds up messages for moderator approval where the
> 'To:' is not the list, just in case it is the result of a folder
> template gone wild. Some folks have the (bad?) habit of replying
> off-list and CC'ing the list, meaning that the list member in
> question ends up with two copies of the reply. I like to take the
> opportunity to point out that that's not necessary on our lists.
`-

Adding insult to injury, the message to you about this bounced :-(.

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Re[3]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Andrea Zuercher]

Thanks, guys! I thought I'd posted a message reporting my success when
I followed Marck and Bill's advice, but it didn't show up. So let me
just say that I deleted the address book I was using, re-exported my
addresses from Outlook into a comma-delimited file (first removing all
of the import/export fields except the few that I actually need),
re-imported the addresses into TB!, and voila -- now the program
closes politely when asked. Also, my hotkey combos (like Ctrl-Enter to
send a message) work again. I appreciate the assistance very much --
thanks to all who contributed to the solution.

Andrea in Kansas | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thursday, May 30, 2002, 7:51:25 PM, Bill wrote:

BBTE> I had a reason to do this a week or two and I eventually got it
BBTE> to work with only minimal editing. The problem is that I did it
BBTE> so many times that I forgot how I got from one place to the
BBTE> other. I remember experimenting with which fields were output
BBTE> and what they were called when they were output. I might have
BBTE> taken it to or thought Netscape and at one point it was an LDIF.
BBTE> When I finally got the file imported, all I had to do was tinker
BBTE> with the groups (they didn't import at all).

BBTE> Sorry Andrea and Marck -- I just don't remember which steps I took or
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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Carren,

@31 May 2002, 14:00:37 +1200 (03:00 UK time) Carren Stuart wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

MDP>> If you have then I think it wasn't TB leaking! It only leaks on
> Win2k
MDP>> and XP - CMIIW.

FYI - the bad wrapping above is caused by allowing GPGShell to
reformat the message when signing. For the best results, turn off
wrapping in the GGPShell preferences when using GPG with TB.

> I am afraid that I have serious doubts about this. I am also running
> 98 and since upgrading to v.m have been experiencing *weird*
> problems similar to some of those mentioned by others. Sometimes the
> TB! window doesn't re-draw properly and dialogue boxes etc sometimes
> *hang around* in a kind of shadow state for a few seconds after
> closing them. This can be menu lists or anything which generally
> stay behind as a white square/rectangle for a short time before
> finally disappearing as they should.

This sounds more like taskus inerruptus than resource leaks. When 'm'
leaks itself to oblivion the windows *never* refresh, they don't just
pause and jerk.

> I am also getting many "access violation" errors from TB! - all of
> which has only started since installing the new version.

That, too, is unrelated to resource leaks. I haven't heard reports of
these errors. When do they happen? Have you posted a bug report?

> Is it absolutely certain that these so-called leaks do not affect
> Win 98?

No, but I've not heard of any resource leak symptoms on Win98.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, May 31, 2002, 1:51:25 AM, Bill Blinn, Technology Editor wrote:

> Sorry Andrea and Marck -- I just don't remember which steps I took or
> in which order. I do remember that it wasn't neat or easy.

I recently imported my address book from Outlook into TB. I exported
from Outlook to a CSV file, which I then edited in Excel to get rid of
most of the fields - I made sure I was only importing the fields that
I wanted, not all the ones that Outlook wanted to transfer. The
process went fine, although I only imported names and email addresses,
as I still use Outlook as my PIM.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Marck!

On Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 11:06:28 PM you wrote:

> If you have then I think it wasn't TB leaking! It only leaks on Win2k
> and XP - CMIIW.

Ähem. Last week it looked like it. A few days ago I could definitely
pinpoint a memory problem to TB! - it could be something else. It
could even be a RAM allocation difficulty but at the moment I am
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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

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MDP> If you have then I think it wasn't TB leaking! It only leaks on
Win2k
MDP> and XP - CMIIW.


I am afraid that I have serious doubts about this. I am also running
98 and since upgrading to v.m have been experiencing *weird* problems
similar to some of those mentioned by others. Sometimes the TB! window
doesn't re-draw properly and dialogue boxes etc sometimes *hang
around* in a kind of shadow state for a few seconds after closing
them. This can be menu lists or anything which generally stay behind
as a white square/rectangle for a short time before finally
disappearing as they should.

I am also getting many "access violation" errors from TB! - all of
which has only started since installing the new version. Is it
absolutely certain that these so-called leaks do not affect Win 98?

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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Bill Blinn, Technology Editor]

It seems that Marck D Pearlstone said ...

M> Kill the address book and re-import it. As soon as you can. I haven't
M> seen the import procedure at all. Does Outlook have an export
M> procedure? Perhaps you should export to CSV and import from there. If
M> you do so then I should point out that CSV import works best when you
M> have a row of headings at the top of the data. I've also heard that
M> Outlook's impression of CSV export doesn't match up to what most of us
M> techies would call a CSV data file though, so don't take it for
M> granted that it will work.

I had a reason to do this a week or two and I eventually got it to
work with only minimal editing. The problem is that I did it so many
times that I forgot how I got from one place to the other. I remember
experimenting with which fields were output and what they were called
when they were output. I might have taken it to or thought Netscape
and at one point it was an LDIF. When I finally got the file imported,
all I had to do was tinker with the groups (they didn't import at
all).

Sorry Andrea and Marck -- I just don't remember which steps I took or
in which order. I do remember that it wasn't neat or easy.


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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Andrea,

@31 May 2002, 18:30:00 -0500 (00:30 UK time) Andrea Zuercher wrote in
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> Thanks, Marck. I migrated from Outlook, not OE, but the migration
> was not what I would call smooth by any means.

You have my sympathy. It is a new procedure that came in for the 1.60
version and still has some wrinkles to iron out.

> So far the only problem I've connected with the address book import
> is that I can't seem to edit any address book entry that I imported.

Ouch!

> That didn't seem like a show-stopper to me. But if it's related to
> the failure to close down, then maybe I should do something about
> it. The question is, what?

Kill the address book and re-import it. As soon as you can. I haven't
seen the import procedure at all. Does Outlook have an export
procedure? Perhaps you should export to CSV and import from there. If
you do so then I should point out that CSV import works best when you
have a row of headings at the top of the data. I've also heard that
Outlook's impression of CSV export doesn't match up to what most of us
techies would call a CSV data file though, so don't take it for
granted that it will work.

Whatever way you look at it, the address book you're working with is
clearly hamstringing TB for you and should be humanely killed at the
first opportunity.

> Re: the connection centre, I have seen no problems finding my hosts
> (I only use two), and there isn't a visible connection timeout
> problem taking place in the connection centre when I'm trying to
> close the program. In fact, there is nothing visible at all, which
> makes this persistent problem quite perplexing to me.

It may be a red herring and all of your problems stem from a bad
address book.

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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Andrea Zuercher]

Thanks, Marck. I migrated from Outlook, not OE, but the migration was
not what I would call smooth by any means. So far the only problem
I've connected with the address book import is that I can't seem to
edit any address book entry that I imported. That didn't seem like a
show-stopper to me. But if it's related to the failure to close down,
then maybe I should do something about it. The question is, what?

Re: the connection centre, I have seen no problems finding my hosts (I
only use two), and there isn't a visible connection timeout problem
taking place in the connection centre when I'm trying to close the
program. In fact, there is nothing visible at all, which makes this
persistent problem quite perplexing to me.

Andrea in Kansas | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thursday, May 30, 2002, 4:54:50 PM, you wrote:

MDP> Unlikely. It is more likely to be connected to communications
MDP> errors in the connection centre. If one or more hosts can't be
MDP> found, you have to wait for the CC to timeout to be able to exit.

>> ... It was also suggested that I suspend automated tasks such as
>> automatic mail checking

MDP> That's the one!

>> and auto compress on exit and empty trash on exit, which I also did,
>> but TB! still refuses to close. I also get "Invalid argument to date
>> encode" messages whenever I try to cut and paste text in a message.

MDP> Aha! Did you migrate from OE and import the WAB? This error is
MDP> usually caused by importing birthdays. For some reason they
MDP> knacker the TB Address book. Perhaps the incomplete task is a
MDP> hidden error message somewhere complaining about the address book
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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Andrea Zuercher]

Ah. It was also suggested to me (I love the passive voice!) that I try
an earlier version. But when I went to the Web site, 1.60m was the
only one I found available for download. This is my first run with TB!
so I don't have an .exe file from an earlier version to copy in. So
how would I try an earlier version?

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>>> and has never happened before. My question is, how does one revert
>>> to an earlier installation?

>> By acquiring one and installing it over your current version.

DAC> actually, you don't have to 'install' anything. just copy the .exe
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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, May 30, 2002, 4:06:28 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

>> and has never happened before. My question is, how does one revert
>> to an earlier installation?

> By acquiring one and installing it over your current version.

actually, you don't have to 'install' anything. just copy the .exe
file from a previous version replacing the one for the current
version.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Andrea,

@30 May 2002, 16:49:52 -0500 (22:49 UK time) Andrea Zuercher wrote in
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> Hello. I posted yesterday about the fact that TB! will not close
> (ver. 1.60m). It's been suggested to me that it's the memory leak
> causing this.

Unlikely. It is more likely to be connected to communications errors
in the connection centre. If one or more hosts can't be found, you
have to wait for the CC to timeout to be able to exit.

> ... It was also suggested that I suspend automated tasks such as
> automatic mail checking

That's the one!

> and auto compress on exit and empty trash on exit, which I also did,
> but TB! still refuses to close. I also get "Invalid argument to date
> encode" messages whenever I try to cut and paste text in a message.

Aha! Did you migrate from OE and import the WAB? This error is usually
caused by importing birthdays. For some reason they knacker the TB
Address book. Perhaps the incomplete task is a hidden error message
somewhere complaining about the address book date format.

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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Andrea Zuercher]

Hello. I posted yesterday about the fact that TB! will not close (ver.
1.60m). It's been suggested to me that it's the memory leak causing
this. I do use Win2k, but I'm not using HTML view at all -- in fact,
I'm using plain-text view -- and yet the problem persists. It was also
suggested that I suspend automated tasks such as automatic mail
checking and auto compress on exit and empty trash on exit, which I
also did, but TB! still refuses to close. I also get "Invalid argument
to date encode" messages whenever I try to cut and paste text in a
message.

I'm open to more suggestions...

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Jonathan,
On Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 16:32:11 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

JA> I'm guessing Rich Text View, and Plain Text View.

Which can be found via "Options -> Preferences -> Viewer".

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Re[2]: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Databug]

Hello Marck,
On the 30/05/2002, you babbled on about "1.60m - State of the art?" 

MDP> If you have then I think it wasn't TB leaking! It only leaks on Win2k
MDP> and XP - CMIIW.

>> I like to leave theBat running all day, but after using PhotoShop
>> and Dreamweaver, suddenly I'm down to 23% resources available!

MDP> Then it was one of them that leaked. TB only leaks while you are
MDP> *using* it. More specifically it leaks in drips every time you view a
MDP> message in the RTV. The simple cure for those afflicted (that includes
MDP> me) is to switch to PTV until the fix comes in.

I`m not sure If i get leaks but I do have WinXP. So what is all this
RTV and PTV then? I assume its something view.

That`s all for now

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, May 30, 2002, Databug wrote...

> I`m not sure If i get leaks but I do have WinXP. So what is all this
> RTV and PTV then? I assume its something view.

I'm guessing Rich Text View, and Plain Text View.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

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@30 May 2002, 13:47:53 -0700 (21:47 UK time) Elli wrote in
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> I am running Windows 98 and have experienced the GDI leak.

If you have then I think it wasn't TB leaking! It only leaks on Win2k
and XP - CMIIW.

> I like to leave theBat running all day, but after using PhotoShop
> and Dreamweaver, suddenly I'm down to 23% resources available!

Then it was one of them that leaked. TB only leaks while you are
*using* it. More specifically it leaks in drips every time you view a
message in the RTV. The simple cure for those afflicted (that includes
me) is to switch to PTV until the fix comes in.

> I have 523MB of RAM, so that really shouldn't be happening,

That is immaterial. The number of resources available on Win9x is
finite and not a function of the total available memory. On Win2k/XP
it is more related to RAM.

> and has never happened before. My question is, how does one revert
> to an earlier installation?

By acquiring one and installing it over your current version. You
shouldn't need to though. Just switch to PTV. If there's still a leak
then it's not TB.

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Fwd: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Elli]

I am running Windows 98 and have experienced the
GDI leak. I like to leave theBat running all day,
but after using PhotoShop and Dreamweaver,
suddenly I'm down to 23% resources available! I
have 523MB of RAM, so that really shouldn't be
happening, and has never happened before. My
question is, how does one revert to an earlier
installation?

Elli

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Thursday, May 30, 2002, 3:17:34 AM, you wrote:

KG> Hi:

KG> Could some of the more experienced users please comment on the
KG> seriousness of the GDI leak in TB 1.60m? How harmful is it? Despite
KG> their lack of communication lately, I cannot imagine that Ritlabs
KG> would refuse to fix that leak if it were really serious. So it seems
KG> to me that Ritlabs must simply not consider this as a bug or even a
KG> minor problem because otherwise they wouldn't still be offering 1.60m
KG> as the current official version.

KG> Later,

KG> Kai

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===8<==Original message text===
Hi:

Could some of the more experienced users please comment on the
seriousness of the GDI leak in TB 1.60m? How harmful is it? Despite
their lack of communication lately, I cannot imagine that Ritlabs
would refuse to fix that leak if it were really serious. So it seems
to me that Ritlabs must simply not consider this as a bug or even a
minor problem because otherwise they wouldn't still be offering 1.60m
as the current official version.

Later,

Kai

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[MikeM]

On 5/30/02 at 1:12 PM Peter Palmreuther wrote:

>
>I've to correct this statement a little bit ... Although still not a
real
>show-stopper a probably annoying thing:
>
>1.60m STILL is not able to 'Delete' hanging task(s).
>
>All in a sudden I'm forced to kill The Bat! the hard way (task manager
or
>ProcExp) because it hangs on checking one accounts mail.
>
>The most annoying part with this is TB! does not remember the last
focused
>folder and mail this way, I've never lost any single mail this way,
maybe
>because I got used to 'Purge & Compress all folders' before killing.
>
>I really wish TB! had a general connection timeout combined with a
byte
>counter, so if xx minutes not a single bit was transferred the taks
would
>get killed ...
>
 =

Another mail client I use address this problem by implementing a
timeout on all communications.  Plus there is a "Cancel" button that
stops the communications task *immediately*, and gracefully cleans
everything up.

I've been bitten by the hanging, unstoppable task in TB! a few times.
In my opinion, it is the symptom of either a poor design or a really
serious bug.  In either case it should be addressed sooner than later.

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello all,

On Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 1:02:46 PM I wrote in
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PP> I've not noticed other bugs that that prevent from using TB! in daily work,

I've to correct this statement a little bit ... Although still not a real
show-stopper a probably annoying thing:

1.60m STILL is not able to 'Delete' hanging task(s).

All in a sudden I'm forced to kill The Bat! the hard way (task manager or
ProcExp) because it hangs on checking one accounts mail.

The most annoying part with this is TB! does not remember the last focused
folder and mail this way, I've never lost any single mail this way, maybe
because I got used to 'Purge & Compress all folders' before killing.

I really wish TB! had a general connection timeout combined with a byte
counter, so if xx minutes not a single bit was transferred the taks would
get killed ...


"Dreams ... are my reality ..." :-)))

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Re: 1.60m - State of the art?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Kai,

On Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 12:17:34 PM you wrote in
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KG> Could some of the more experienced users please comment on the
KG> seriousness of the GDI leak in TB 1.60m?

That's in the eye of the observer ...
If you do not encounter problems (e.g. if you're running TB! only 2 hours
in the evening) it's minor.
If you're running TB! the whole day and suddenly in the afternoon
TB! refuses to display messages and you have to restart it it becomes
more worse.

KG> I cannot imagine that Ritlabs would refuse to fix that leak if it were
KG> really serious.

Maybe they were just not hit yet and can't recreate the bug seriously and
therefore struggle with fixing?! Or maybe they are concentrated on creating
mysterious v2 and therefore fix a bug that only forces a program restart
all 5+ hours just when there's spare time?!
Who knows. At work I simply don't upgrade to 1.60m to avoid being hit, at
home where the upgrade already is done I simply restart TB! and try to "do
not care" about it. I've reported it, I've reported my observations, more
can't be done. Well ... one thing can be and is done: warning everybody
requesting if upgrade is OK that this bug _can_ occour ... That's all.

I've not noticed other bugs that that prevent from using TB! in daily work,
so if you can live with the chance of being forced to restart: go for it
:-) If you encounter it while writing a message simply save it and restart
TB!, only RTV is affected and editor still uses old plain text variant, so
it ain't a show-stopper in this manner.

Just my 0.02€

Pit
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1.60m - State of the art?

[Kai Göing]

Hi:

Could some of the more experienced users please comment on the
seriousness of the GDI leak in TB 1.60m? How harmful is it? Despite
their lack of communication lately, I cannot imagine that Ritlabs
would refuse to fix that leak if it were really serious. So it seems
to me that Ritlabs must simply not consider this as a bug or even a
minor problem because otherwise they wouldn't still be offering 1.60m
as the current official version.

Later,

Kai

TB 1.60d
Win XP Pro



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