Editing received messages

2000-11-15 Thread Doug Weller

Apologies if this is an old chestnut, but I've used Becky and Calypso and
become dependent upon the ability to edit
the text and subject line of old messages.  I use my mail reader as a
temporary or permanent archive, and wouldn't want to
lose this facility. I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this
facility sometime?

Thanks.

Doug
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Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread JM14

There are legitimate uses for this ability that have nothing
to do with editing any individual's messages.

To wit: I subscribe to several newsletters.  Of the many
items of information in any given newsletter, only one or
two may be relevant to my business or of interest to me.

Why should I not be able efficiently and simply to delete
the irrlevancies and save what is significant? And without
having to go through the workaround of  dragging the
newsletter to the Outbox, opening it, editing it, etc?

This would be a useful feature for me, and, no doubt, others
who are delighted to have and be using TB as their mail
client.

Be well,
Jerry Mundis

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Editing received messages

2002-11-27 Thread Nick Dutton
Hello,

Is there any way that I can edit a received message?  I use many of my TB
folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some of the messages
for clarity etc.

Regards,


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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-15 Thread Manfred Ell

On 15-11-2000 at 22:38:47GMT + (which was 22:38 where I live)
Doug Weller wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

> Apologies if this is an old chestnut, but I've used Becky and Calypso and
> become dependent upon the ability to edit
> the text and subject line of old messages.  I use my mail reader as a
> temporary or permanent archive, and wouldn't want to
> lose this facility. I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this
> facility sometime?

> Thanks.

> Doug


Hello Doug,

If only we could!!

I suggested this several times to RIT but until now to no avail. Either we
are only 2 in need of this or they have a very low priority on this

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-15 Thread Manfred Ell

On 15-11-2000 at 22:38:47GMT + (which was 22:38 where I live)
Doug Weller wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

> Apologies if this is an old chestnut, but I've used Becky and Calypso and
> become dependent upon the ability to edit
> the text and subject line of old messages.  I use my mail reader as a
> temporary or permanent archive, and wouldn't want to
> lose this facility. I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this
> facility sometime?

> Thanks.

> Doug


Hello Doug,

If only we could!

I suggested this a while ago to RIT but either it is a feature, which few
request or it has a low priority on their list.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Peter Asenbauer

Hi Doug,

Wednesday, November 15, 2000, 11:38:47 PM, you wrote:

...

> I've used Becky and Calypso and become dependent upon the ability to
> edit the text and subject line of old messages.

...

> I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this facility
> sometime?

Try this:
1. mark the message
2. select Tools - Export Messages - UNIX Mailbox
3. save your message to whatever name and place you choose, just
   remember filename and the directory you store it in (you will need
   to know it in the next step)
4. open this file in the editor of your choice, edit it as much as
   you like and save it. (Again remember the filename and its
   directory)
5. In TB! select Tools - Import Messages - From UNIX Mailboxes ... and
   choose the file you saved in step 4
6. You will find the (changed) email as new message in the very folder
   you had marked in the moment you imported the message in step 5

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Doug Weller

Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit the
message/subject line, and then click on the disc 
icon to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't
plain text).

That's a lot easier!

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:14:20 +, Doug Weller wrote these
comments about 'Editing received messages':

DW> Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit the
DW> message/subject line, and then click on the disc
DW> icon to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't
DW> plain text).

DW> That's a lot easier!

You only need to do that export - edit - import routine if you wish to
preserve the message headers. If not, you can drag and drop the messaage
to the outbox, open the message from there, edit it and then replace it
in the folder you dragged it from.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


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Hi Doug,

On 16 November 2000 at 21:14:20 + (which was 21:14 where I
live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

DW> Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit
DW> the message/subject line, and then click on the disc icon to save
DW> it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't plain
DW> text).

DW> That's a lot easier!

Now,  if  I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask
if  I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot.
Thank  you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does
not.  It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll
have  convinced  the  users  here  that  it is a better world. (TB can
remove HTML because it already shows the HTML attachment, which can be
peeled off by deleting it).

There  are  good  reasons  that  an  email client doesn't allow you to
change  incoming  mails  easily.  For  instance,  it  is  this kind of
trivialisation  that  cheapens  email  as  a  legitimate  record  of a
communication.  I  know  now that any forwarded message from a Calypso
user  is  as  unrepresentative  as those I already distrust from Becky
users. Thanks for the heads up :-).

Sorry  if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings
here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes
against the list policy here.

If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any
offence caused.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Manfred Ell

On 16-11-2000 at 22:19:16GMT + (which was 22:19 where I live)
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"



> Now,  if  I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask
> if  I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot.
> Thank  you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does
> not.  It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll
> have  convinced  the  users  here  that  it is a better world. (TB can
> remove HTML because it already shows the HTML attachment, which can be
> peeled off by deleting it).

> There  are  good  reasons  that  an  email client doesn't allow you to
> change  incoming  mails  easily.  For  instance,  it  is  this kind of
> trivialisation  that  cheapens  email  as  a  legitimate  record  of a
> communication.  I  know  now that any forwarded message from a Calypso
> user  is  as  unrepresentative  as those I already distrust from Becky
> users. Thanks for the heads up :-).

> Sorry  if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings
> here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes
> against the list policy here.

> If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any
> offence caused.



Hello Marck D.,

You maybe right on what you say here but I *do* think that your response is a
bit harsh even for a moderator of a very specific list.

It is a legitimate "petition" to inquire if TheBat does what other emailers
do. And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested this
myself.
There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other hates.
This is called: democracy

And yes I think that Becky has it's nice touches, which I would like to see
in TheBat, *because I want to keep TheBat*.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


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Hi Manfred,

On 16 November 2000 at 22:43:36 + (which was 22:43 where I
live) Manfred Ell wrote and made these points:

ME> You maybe right on what you say here but I *do* think that your
ME> response is a bit harsh even for a moderator of a very specific
ME> list.

Perhaps,  but  from  what  you  say  here, I don't think that you have
clearly  understood  the  nature  of  my  response. Thank you for this
opportunity  to  clarify  what  it  meant  for  the non-native English
readers.

ME> It is a legitimate "petition" to inquire if TheBat does what other
ME> emailers do.

I didn't say it /wasn't/ a legitimate enquiry. Of course it was :-).

I didn't respond to the original /enquiry/. I didn't respond to any of
the  responses  to  Doug's enquiry either. I was perfectly happy up to
that point.

I  was  mildly  concerned  that Doug posted his original enquiry using
Calypso.  Then he only replied to one of the responses he had received
by  promoting Calypso's features, once again using Calypso. Aren't you
concerned  that Doug didn't respond to your agreement that the feature
is lacking?

Doug's  only  response  was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for
achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh
and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request.
I wasn't harsh about the feature.

ME> And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested
ME> this myself.

I  know.  I  have seen the request ;-). I don't agree with it ,
but  that was *not* the harsh element of my post. Have another look at
it  bearing  in mind what I have said here. The section of my response
discussing  the  theory  of changing a received mail was purely in the
spirit of the debate. Honestly.

ME> There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other
ME> hates. This is called: democracy

Of  course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an opinion
on the subject :-).

ME> And yes I think that Becky has it's nice touches, which I would
ME> like to see in TheBat, *because I want to keep TheBat*.

Exactly.  But  here's  what  I  think you may have missed: if Doug had
shown that he wanted to improve TB, I would not have written as I did.
He  did *not* seem to be showing that at all. I responded as befits my
suspicions and left space to have been wrong about it.

BTW:  I  still  believe  that  am correct about it being intrinsically
"wrong"  to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am
probably in the minority in holding that position :-).

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Manfred Ell

On 16-11-2000 at 23:27:15GMT + (which was 23:27 where I live)
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

Marck,


> Perhaps,  but  from  what  you  say  here, I don't think that you have
> clearly  understood  the  nature  of  my  response. Thank you for this
> opportunity  to  clarify  what  it  meant  for  the non-native English
> readers.
This might be a problem sometimes ;-)


> I  was  mildly  concerned  that Doug posted his original enquiry using
> Calypso.  Then he only replied to one of the responses he had received
> by  promoting Calypso's features, once again using Calypso. Aren't you
> concerned  that Doug didn't respond to your agreement that the feature
> is lacking?

True. And I didn't check what client he was using!

> Doug's  only  response  was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for
> achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh
> and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request.
> I wasn't harsh about the feature.

True again.

ME>> And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested
ME>> this myself.

> I  know.  I  have seen the request ;-). I don't agree with it ,
> but  that was *not* the harsh element of my post. Have another look at
> it  bearing  in mind what I have said here. The section of my response
> discussing  the  theory  of changing a received mail was purely in the
> spirit of the debate. Honestly.

No offense taken! Thanks for clarifying your point of view, this is good
style (and this is why you're a good moderator).

ME>> There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other
ME>> hates. This is called: democracy

> Of  course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an opinion
> on the subject :-).

ME>> And yes I think that Becky has it's nice touches, which I would
ME>> like to see in TheBat, *because I want to keep TheBat*.

> Exactly.  But  here's  what  I  think you may have missed: if Doug had
> shown that he wanted to improve TB, I would not have written as I did.
> He  did *not* seem to be showing that at all. I responded as befits my
> suspicions and left space to have been wrong about it.

> BTW:  I  still  believe  that  am correct about it being intrinsically
> "wrong"  to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am
> probably in the minority in holding that position :-).

No, I think you are generally correct on this.
BUT I have had the need to edit one or the other email I have received
(business stuff) not to change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to
the end of it, like notes from a phone conversation. (e.g. when I sent
prices to a client and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to jot
this down on the original email so that I have a record of it). Perhaps
there's a better way to do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora
where I come from and I miss it here too.


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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Manfred,

On  Fri, 17 Nov 2000  at  00:01:29 GMT + (which was 4:01 PM
where I live) witnesses say Manfred Ell typed:

> BUT I have had the need to edit one or the other email I have received
> (business stuff) not to change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to
> the end of it, like notes from a phone conversation. (e.g. when I sent
> prices to a client and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to jot
> this down on the original email so that I have a record of it). Perhaps
> there's a better way to do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora
> where I come from and I miss it here too.


Have you tried TB's Memo feature?  View -> Memo Auto-View.

Be sure to back up your index files regularly if you do this though...


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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:27:15 +, Marck D. Pearlstone contributed this
to the collective wisdom of the human race:

[...]
ME>> There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other
ME>> hates. This is called: democracy

MDP> Of  course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an opinion
MDP> on the subject :-).

It's difficult to mix what is your opinion with a 'moderatorial'
reprimand or warning. The whole message tends to be taken as being
'moderatorial' in nature. :=)

[..]
MDP> BTW:  I  still  believe  that  am correct about it being intrinsically
MDP> "wrong"  to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am
MDP> probably in the minority in holding that position :-).


I have a folder called 'List Gems'. If I see a very informative message
posted, I copy it to my 'List Gems' folder. If the subject is totally
off-base with the content, I used to give it a nudge in the right
direction by modifying it. It makes it easier for me to tell what each
message gem is about. :=)

The same goes for my shareware registrations. I register a LOT of
software, being a software freak and all. :=))) I used to change the
subjects to help me know which registration info is for which software.
  :=)

After all that's said, I have recently stopped doing all that since the
introduction of memo's. I do agree with Marck's concern and memo's have
provided a nice, perhaps superior means of describing what the message
is about without interfering with it's content.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Mike Yetto

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, at 23:27:15 [GMT +], Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> BTW:  I  still  believe  that  am correct about it being intrinsically
MDP> "wrong"  to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am
MDP> probably in the minority in holding that position :-).

I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted
and untrustworthy.  I would like to request that this never be done to
TB.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


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Hi A,

On 17 November 2000 at 19:17:19 -0500 (which was 00:17 where I
live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points:

MDP>> Of course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an
MDP>> opinion on the subject :-).

ACM> It's difficult to mix what is your opinion with a 'moderatorial'
ACM> reprimand or warning. The whole message tends to be taken as
ACM> being 'moderatorial' in nature. :=)

Agreed.  I usually tried to avoid doing that where I can. This was one
in which I could not.

ACM> After all that's said, I have recently stopped doing all that
ACM> since the introduction of memo's. I do agree with Marck's concern
ACM> and memo's have provided a nice, perhaps superior means of
ACM> describing what the message is about without interfering with
ACM> it's content.

To  be  fair,  I don't mind it that much. I prefer the "drag it to the
outbox,  edit  and replace it" method of changing a message because at
least  it also changes the "received" time of the message from that of
the  original.  This method disconnects the new version of the message
from any pretence of being a true record of the original.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On 16 November, 2000, 7:43 PM, I saw Marck's comments made on
 Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:34:19 +, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth:

MDP> To be fair, I don't mind it that much. I prefer the "drag it to the
MDP> outbox, edit and replace it" method of changing a message because
MDP> at least it also changes the "received" time of the message from
MDP> that of the original. This method disconnects the new version of
MDP> the message from any pretence of being a true record of the
MDP> original.

I do prefer dragging the message to the outbox and modifying it there.
It messes up the headers and more or less totally invalidates the
message as you said. :=)

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:22:39 -0500, Mike Yetto graced us with
these comments:

MY> I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted
MY> and untrustworthy.  I would like to request that this never be done to
MY> TB.

I tend to agree here. There are two ways of modifying received messages
using TB! as it is. They're a tad more tedious than what Becky and
Calypso provide, but this should be the case since making it easy for
the passing user encourages the practice rather than discourage it.

Incoming messages shouldn't be modified ..but .. if you must do it, it
can be done. :=)

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Karin Spaink

On 16-11-2000 at 22:50, A. Curtis Martin kindly wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:14:20 +, Doug Weller wrote:

DW>> Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit the
DW>> message/subject line, and then click on the disc
DW>> icon to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't
DW>> plain text).

> You only need to do that export - edit - import routine if you wish to
> preserve the message headers. If not, you can drag and drop the messaage
> to the outbox, open the message from there, edit it and then replace it
> in the folder you dragged it from.

But that will change the message-id, which is something you
don't always want.

Doug, if the only thing that you want to get rid of is the
html, there often is an easier solution within TB:

When you open a html-message, you'll often (not always) see
small tabs at the end of the message. Click on the first tab
and you'll get the cleared body with an attachment on the
left side of the body itself, in the shape of a netscape /
explorer icon. You can right-click the icon and delete it.
Voilà: the message is permently cleared of html.



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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi Manfred,

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:01:29 +GMT (17/11/2000, 08:01 +0800GMT),
Manfred Ell wrote:

ME> True. And I didn't check what client he was using!

IMHO everybody can use what client he wants (though we prefer TB), as
long as the contents of his message concern TB - this is a TB User's
list.

>> Doug's  only  response  was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for
>> achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh
>> and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request.
>> I wasn't harsh about the feature.

I disagree here; when I read Allie's reply to Doug's I also thought,
"phew how awkward. Doug meant sometimes much simpler". That was from a
usuability POV, not ridiculing.

I would also like to see what Doug says about this. He has been
awfully quiet - but, then, I don't know his time zone or work
schedule.

ME>>> And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested
ME>>> this myself.

>> I  know.  I  have seen the request ;-). I don't agree with it ,

Me neither, but that's the same as with HTML: I don't like it, but
it's coming more and more. I just saw a TV report about future
mailers, and the reporter happily announced that it will be possible
to include videos, voice mail, and all kinds of multimedia into an
email! Spare me, please - but Joe Public wants this stuff, so it's
going to come :-(

>> BTW:  I  still  believe  that  am correct about it being intrinsically
>> "wrong"  to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am
>> probably in the minority in holding that position :-).

Not on this list, but out there is the RW (real world). Whatever that
may be  (just saw Matrix again ).

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Manfred Ell

On 17-11-2000 at 16:10:55GMT -0800 (which was 0:10 where I live)
Januk Aggarwal wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

> Hello Manfred,

> On  Fri, 17 Nov 2000  at  00:01:29 GMT + (which was 4:01 PM
> where I live) witnesses say Manfred Ell typed:

>> BUT I have had the need to edit one or the other email I have received
>> (business stuff) not to change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to
>> the end of it, like notes from a phone conversation. (e.g. when I sent
>> prices to a client and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to jot
>> this down on the original email so that I have a record of it). Perhaps
>> there's a better way to do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora
>> where I come from and I miss it here too.


> Have you tried TB's Memo feature?  View -> Memo Auto-View.

> Be sure to back up your index files regularly if you do this though...


Hello Januk,

Well, I have not and I should have.
The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if
there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't.

Thanks for pointing this out.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote
the following:

ME> The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if
ME> there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't.

You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the
message listing, right?

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Manfred Ell

On 17-11-2000 at 06:27:15GMT -0500 (which was 11:27 where I live)
A. Curtis Martin wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote
> the following:

ME>> The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if
ME>> there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't.

> You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the
> message listing, right?



Hello A. Curtis,

I now, yes, but with all those columns and a laptop display of 800x600..

You understand...

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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When I saw Manfred's message about "Editing received messages ",
I just had to make these comments:

>> You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the
>> message listing, right?

ME> I now, yes, but with all those columns and a laptop display of 800x600..

ME> You understand...

Perfectly. :=) I work with a 1600x1200 resolution and still complain.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello A!

On Friday, November 17, 2000 at 1:43:23 AM you wrote:

MY>> I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted
MY>> and untrustworthy.  I would like to request that this never be done to
MY>> TB.

> I tend to agree here.

Since  somebody used the word "democracy" just for the value of my voice
(isn't it good that I am not from Florida :-) ), I totally agree: If you
want  to change an incoming mail *change it completely*. All else should
be  considered  fraud  -  or e-mail will never be accepted as a means of
serious communication!

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Ming-Li

Hi, all,

I'm replying to Marck's message for it contains the bulk of things I
want to address. Yet I did read through the whole thread and I'll
cut-n-paste relevant parts into this reply. Original authors of
those parts would be noted, of course.

On Thursday, November 16, 2000, 2:19:16 PM, Marck wrote:

DW>> Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso,
DW>> edit the message/subject line, and then click on the disc icon
DW>> to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it
DW>> wasn't plain text).

DW>> That's a lot easier!

I'm not re-quoting these paragraphs to promote a competing product.
I have no interest in Calypso. Tried it, and didn't like it
(generally). However, those words look perfectly benign to me! In
fact, I read Doug's message yesterday before the long thread
developed, and I wasn't a bit offended by it at all.

When I'm trying out a new program, I can't help but look for
features I cherish in the one I own. It's only natural if I phrase
my question as "I used to do this, and now how can I do this (with
the new product)?"

Plenty has been said, e.g., about TB's cumbersome multi-key
shortcuts and how they're inferior to, say, Forte Agent. No one feel
threatened because we all know Agent is lousy as an emailer, hence
no competitor at all, though it has features we crave. If that's the
case, why should we feel threatened by Doug's comparison? (Is it
because Calypso is closer and more formidable as a competitor?)

> Now,  if  I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask
> if  I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot.

I believe you're going a little too far here by accusing Doug coming
on board solely (or mostly) on the purpose of promoting a competing
product. I didn't feel that way, and I still don't after reading it
a couple more times. Thomas said:

TF> IMHO everybody can use what client he wants (though we prefer TB), as
TF> long as the contents of his message concern TB - this is a TB User's
TF> list.

and I agree.

Risking over-generalization, I feel you've been a little testy
recently whenever someone mentions a competing product, especially
when he/she posts with that product, and asks about features TB
lacks.

That's not to say you're not a good moderator. You (and others) have
been exemplary among all moderators I've ever known. I just feel
that we don't need to guard list members like sheep. I mean, even
some are tempted by a competing product promoted here (again, I
don't feel Doug was doing that), so what? If TB is really that good,
as we believe, they'll eventually come back (hopefully very soon).
If they go and stay, then they've found a product that serves their
needs better, and we should be happy for them.

No, I'm not saying we should open our door to all kinds of
advertisements about competing products (or any other product, for
that matter), since we don't want our forum diluted. I'm just saying
we should be more tolerant to genuine (in Doug's case) or even
less-genuine (hypothetically) comparisons between TB and competing
products.

> Thank  you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does
> not.  It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll
> have  convinced  the  users  here  that  it is a better world.

Again, I don't feel he was trying to do that. What makes you think
he's doing that simply by making one single comparison in favor of
another product? Does he have to harp praise on TB for three
paragraphs before getting to his point?

So much about moderation. Now to the main disagreement.

> There  are  good  reasons  that  an  email client doesn't allow
> you to change  incoming  mails  easily.  For  instance,  it  is
> this kind of trivialisation  that  cheapens  email  as  a
> legitimate  record  of a communication.  I  know  now that any
> forwarded message from a Calypso user  is  as  unrepresentative
> as those I already distrust from Becky users. Thanks for the heads
> up :-).

Several of you have expressed the same thought. I don't agree.

If I forward a message to you and claim it to be exactly the same as
the original, you'll just have to take my word for it, regardless
whether I send it from TB or any other emailer. If you trust me, you
trust me; if you don't, you don't. Changes to the content of email
can be done, no matter what programs one uses.

Some of you suggest while it can be done, it should be discouraged.
E.g., Allie said:

ACM> There are two ways of modifying received messages using TB! as
ACM> it is. They're a tad more tedious than what Becky and Calypso
ACM> provide, but this should be the case since making it easy for
ACM> the passing user encourages the practice rather than discourage
ACM> it.

Again, I don't agree. Just as physical mail we receive (or books we
own, etc.), what we like to do with the copies we own is totally our
business. If your argument holds, moreover, then why don't we take
away the trash can in TB? :) Or why should 

Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Manfred Ell

On 17-11-2000 at 09:45:15GMT -0800 (which was 17:45 where I live)
Ming-Li wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

> Hi, all,

> I'm replying to Marck's message for it contains the bulk of things I
> want to address. Yet I did read through the whole thread and I'll
> cut-n-paste relevant parts into this reply. Original authors of
> those parts would be noted, of course.
[cut]

Hello Ming-Li,

I must say, you've put it all pretty well in a nutshell.
I agree 100% with everything you have said.

Let's keep our eyes on the competition folks! There is something to learn
(aka implement).

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On 17 November, 2000, 1:09 PM, I saw Ming-Li's comments made on
Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:45:15 -0800, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth:

OK, Ming; I'll take your 'preambulatory' cue, :=), and start by saying
that I was thinking of declaring this thread a dead horse, but the
maturity of the discourse has been so good that I've not only changed
my mind, but have also decided to respond to some of what you wrote.

ML> I believe you're going a little too far here by accusing Doug coming
ML> on board solely (or mostly) on the purpose of promoting a competing
ML> product. I didn't feel that way, and I still don't after reading it
ML> a couple more times. Thomas said:

This is why he added his disclaimer statement at the end which I thought
would have diffused the situation. :=)

ML> Risking over-generalization, I feel you've been a little testy
ML> recently whenever someone mentions a competing product, especially
ML> when he/she posts with that product, and asks about features TB
ML> lacks.

H. This is perhaps unreasonable. The last incident of a similar
reprimand was when when someone asked if TB! supported a particular
feature. Someone else, posting with another client, and who in the past
stated his preference for this other client, not only misinformed the
user that TB! did not support said feature, but went on to encourage the
enquiring user where he could get his preferred client.

Marck stepped in and I agreed on that account.

The incident before that involved both Marck and myself *supporting* a
particular posters comments in favour of an alternative client after he
was admonished for doing so by another member.:=)

So, yes, I find your assessment to be an over-generalization. :=)

ML> Some of you suggest while it can be done, it should be discouraged.
ML> E.g., Allie said:

ACM>> There are two ways of modifying received messages using TB! as
ACM>> it is. They're a tad more tedious than what Becky and Calypso
ACM>> provide, but this should be the case since making it easy for
ACM>> the passing user encourages the practice rather than discourage
ACM>> it.

My attitude towards it is the same as with HTML mail. Did you read what
I recently wrote about HTML mail? The short of it is that I feel it
definitely has its place but it shouldn't be encouraged as the thing to
do with impunity or willy-nilly.

ML> Again, I don't agree. Just as physical mail we receive (or books we
ML> own, etc.), what we like to do with the copies we own is totally our
ML> business. If your argument holds, moreover, then why don't we take
ML> away the trash can in TB? :) Or why should we allow people to change
ML> the "Save" template,

That's for my own purposes and the message cannot be sent out, even
accidentally.

ML>  or delete attachments,

Expecting ones attachment to be saved elsewhere and/or deleted is an
accepted norm.

ML> or delete the html part?

the same goes for HTML versions.

:=) It's a matter of degree. The fact that an inch is acceptable doesn't
mean the whole 9 yards is fine.

ML> Or why do we allow forwarding messages in text (rather than MIME
ML> attached)?

When I see forwarded messages as text, my hackles raise in that I know
it could be altered.

To me, it's all a matter of degree.

ML> There're as many legitimate reasons to modify a received message as
ML> to delete it.

Deleting a message cannot be compared. :=)

ML> If needed, one can save a copy of the original. What's wrong with
ML> that? The official list archives of TBUDL and TBBETA cross out
ML> senders' email addresses, for good reasons. Why can't the users do
ML> similar things, to mail in his/her own mailboxes?

To me, it's all a matter of degree. This alteration is made known as
well.

[..]

ML> That proves you're still a great moderator, Marck, and I tip my hat
ML> to you. :)

:=) Ditto.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On 17 November, 2000, 1:36 PM, I saw Manfred's comments made on
 Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:15:07 +, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth:

[...]
ME> Let's keep our eyes on the competition folks! There is something to learn
ME> (aka implement).

... or learn not to implement. :=)

I find it a bit concerning that you feel the need to say that. :=)

Whatever would make you feel that we aren't doing that? 

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 16/11/00 at 19:22 Mike Yetto wrote:

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>
>On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, at 23:27:15 [GMT +], Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
>
>MDP> BTW:  I  still  believe  that  am correct about it being
intrinsically
>MDP> "wrong"  to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I
am
>MDP> probably in the minority in holding that position :-).
>
>I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted
>and untrustworthy.  I would like to request that this never be done to
>TB.

Why shouldn't users have the choice?

Eg. I get a long post full of recipes. I only want to keep a few of them.
What is wrong with deleting the
rest?

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 17/11/00 at 02:27 Karin Spaink wrote:
>
>Doug, if the only thing that you want to get rid of is the
>html, there often is an easier solution within TB:
>
>When you open a html-message, you'll often (not always) see
>small tabs at the end of the message. Click on the first tab
>and you'll get the cleared body with an attachment on the
>left side of the body itself, in the shape of a netscape /
>explorer icon. You can right-click the icon and delete it.
>Voil: the message is permently cleared of html.
>

Thanks. That was really a side-issue, although important. Glad to hear it's
simple.

My main desire has to do with editing.

Now to find the message where I'm accused of ridiculing what was certainly
meant to be
a helpful post, and try to figure out what I said that was so
misinterpreted.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 16/11/00 at 22:19 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

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>Hi Doug,
>
>On 16 November 2000 at 21:14:20 + (which was 21:14 where I
>live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:
>
>DW> Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit
>DW> the message/subject line, and then click on the disc icon to save
>DW> it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't plain
>DW> text).
>
>DW> That's a lot easier!
>
>Now,  if  I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask
>if  I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot.
>Thank  you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does
>not.  It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll
>have  convinced  the  users  here  that  it is a better world. (TB can
>remove HTML because it already shows the HTML attachment, which can be
>peeled off by deleting it).

Ok, finally found the post I was looking for.  You've taken my comments
entirely the wrong way.
I joined this list to ask my question, not to promote Calypso, Becky, or
Agent, all of which I have used 
in the past for email, none of which I have found completely satisfactory.
I have frequently looked at The Bat and 
wished that it had this feature.

I said thanks, I meant thanks.  I then tried to explain why the solution
offered wasn't satisfcatory to me.

>There  are  good  reasons  that  an  email client doesn't allow you to
>change  incoming  mails  easily.  For  instance,  it  is  this kind of
>trivialisation  that  cheapens  email  as  a  legitimate  record  of a
>communication.  I  know  now that any forwarded message from a Calypso
>user  is  as  unrepresentative  as those I already distrust from Becky
>users. Thanks for the heads up :-).

I doubt that any email message can be counted on as a legitimate
record of a communication in this way.  I seriously don't see this
as an argument.

>Sorry  if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings
>here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes
>against the list policy here.

Certainly seems aggressive and insulting, yes.  No veiled attempts on my
part
to do anything at all, what you see is what you get. :-)

>If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any
>offence caused.
>

Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am
genuinely interested
in The Bat as an alternative. However, given your strong position on this
and guessing
that you might have influence on its development, The Bat might never have
this feature
that I think is essential for my needs.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Kari Jakobi

A . Curtis Martin wrote on Freitag, 17. November 2000 12:27:15 h
about "Editing received messages":

Hello A,

ACM> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote
ACM> the following:

ME>> The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if
ME>> there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't.

ACM> You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the
ACM> message listing, right?

To be honest, no, I don't know. I just managed to open that little
Memo Box, but a single column would be much better. How do I do this?

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 16/11/00 at 23:27 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

[SNIP]
>
>I  was  mildly  concerned  that Doug posted his original enquiry using
>Calypso.  Then he only replied to one of the responses he had received
>by  promoting Calypso's features, once again using Calypso. Aren't you
>concerned  that Doug didn't respond to your agreement that the feature
>is lacking?

1.  I've only replied to one response, because until tonight I haven't read
any of the
others.

2. I posted using Calypso because that is my emailer. I am very interested
in The Bat.
I probably would buy it, almost certainly would buy it, if it had the
features I want.  What 
am I supposed to do, buy it before I can ask about it?

3. I am NOT trying to promote Calypso, in fact I'm trying to get a feature
in The Bat so that I 
can change to it!

>Doug's  only  response  was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for
>achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh
>and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request.
>I wasn't harsh about the feature.

Haven't read that post yet, and can't understand why you think I was
ridiculing it.
The ONLY reason I posted was to find out if it was likely to have this
feature and to encourage
its inclusion.  I would never join a list like this to promote a rival
product.

[SNIP]

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:10 +, Doug Weller thoughtfully wrote
the following:

[...]
DW> Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am
DW> genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. However, given
DW> your strong position on this and guessing that you might have
DW> influence on its development, The Bat might never have this feature
DW> that I think is essential for my needs.

We, the moderators, are users of TB! like yourself. We are neither Ritlabs
employees, part of their technical team, nor part of their development
team. We have no more influence over what is implemented from what is
not than the rest of the members of this list. If this were not the case
I'd be a very happy camper since I'd have all the features that I
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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Kari Jakobi

Jan Rifkinson wrote on Freitag, 17. November 2000 20:40:08 h
about "Editing received messages":

Hello Jan,

Kari>> To be honest, no, I don't know. I just managed to open that little
Kari>> Memo Box, but a single column would be much better. How do I do this?

JR>   Right  click on the icon bar just above your msg list,
JR>   in  the available list select "memo" & move it over to
JR>   the  selected  list  &  a  column will be created that
JR>   contains  the  memo.

Ahh, at last... again one of those
if-i-just-had-looked-it-over-thoroughly-i-would-have-found-it-myself
cases. Thank you very much.
So many times seen it, but never realized it...

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Nick Andriash

On November 17, 2000, at 11:40:08 AM, Jan Rifkinson Wrote:

ME The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if
ME there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't.

ACM>>> You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the
ACM>>> message listing, right?

I have never been able to get a memo automatically displayed. I have the
memo column set properly to show that there *is* a memo... the first 3
characters show, but I always find it extremely difficult to get the memo
to open up. I have View/Memo Auto-view checked, but the memo still will
not open up.

I have to uncheck and then re-check the feature to bring up the memo.
There *must* be an easier way. :o(


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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 17/11/00 at 15:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>There are legitimate uses for this ability that have nothing
>to do with editing any individual's messages.
>
>To wit: I subscribe to several newsletters.  Of the many
>items of information in any given newsletter, only one or
>two may be relevant to my business or of interest to me.
>
>Why should I not be able efficiently and simply to delete
>the irrlevancies and save what is significant? And without
>having to go through the workaround of  dragging the
>newsletter to the Outbox, opening it, editing it, etc?
>
>This would be a useful feature for me, and, no doubt, others
>who are delighted to have and be using TB as their mail
>client.
>
This sort of thing is exactly why I want the ability to edit.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


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Hi Doug,

On 17 November 2000 at 19:09:10 + (which was 19:09 where I
live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

>> Sorry  if  this  seems  a  bit  of  an aggressive response but your
>> postings  here  seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso
>> and that goes against the list policy here.

DW> Certainly seems aggressive and insulting, yes. No veiled attempts
DW> on my part to do anything at all, what you see is what you get.
DW> :-)

Understood  and  accepted.  I  was careful *not* to be insulting (note
"seem"  and  "veiled")  and,  as  I  said  at  the  time (and this was
sincere):

>> If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for
>> any offence caused.

Please understand that it is a known standard practice for competitors
to  join  mailing lists and start a fight just for the "flying fur" of
it.  As  moderator it is my job to be vigilant and nip any such attack
"in  the bud". Again, I apologize for tarring you with this particular
brush. I don't mean or wish to scare /you/ off.

DW> Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am
DW> genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative.

I  do. In which case, back to the issue... did you understand that you
*can*  do  what you are looking for in TB by dragging a message to the
OutBox  and  editing  it there before returning it to the folder where
you want to keep it?

While it may not be as simple as the Calypso method, you may find that
the  way  TB  does the stuff it's *really* strong on may give you good
reason to give it a try.

DW> However, given your strong position on this

It's not that strong - just a leaning really.

DW> and guessing that you might have influence on its development,

None  at  all :-). As Curtis has already explained, I am just a humble
user  who  drew  the  short straw (okay, volunteered to draw the short
straw  ) and ended up running this list for my sins. Okay, RIT labs
talk  to  me about some issues on occasion but I certainly wouldn't go
as far as to say that I have any influence over them.

DW> The Bat might never have this feature that I think is essential
DW> for my needs.

I  think  that,  as has been said, editing in the outbox can cover the
need  ... surely you wouldn't want to change *every* mail you receive,
would you? Or are you modifying every subject for cataloging purposes?
I'm just guessing wildly now, aren't I .

Anyway, unless you start using TB in "anger", you're not going to know
if  the  slightly  longer  way  of  achieving  that  one function is a
show-stopper when weighed up with the rest of TB's functionality.

I  originally  migrated  to TB over two years ago. I had searched long
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macros  available  for  them. I had to give up a few things that I had
gotten  used  to  in  other  clients but I have found the sacrifice so
worthwhile.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 17/11/00 at 14:37 A. Curtis Martin wrote:

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>On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:10 +, Doug Weller thoughtfully wrote
>the following:
>
>[...]
>DW> Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am
>DW> genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. However, given
>DW> your strong position on this and guessing that you might have
>DW> influence on its development, The Bat might never have this feature
>DW> that I think is essential for my needs.
>
>We, the moderators, are users of TB! like yourself. We are neither Ritlabs
>employees, part of their technical team, nor part of their development
>team. We have no more influence over what is implemented from what is
>not than the rest of the members of this list. If this were not the case
>I'd be a very happy camper since I'd have all the features that I
>desired. :=)

Ok. statement accepted!  I'm not convinced that's the case with another
product and list I won't name (and am not
using now).

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread ADoe196701

how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. 
 I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Dieter Hummel

Hello Listmembers,

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 at 22:43:36 [GMT +] Manfred Ell wrote:

> do.  And  changing the email is one of such things. I have requested
> this myself.

The  fact  that  you  have  requested  an  unnecessary feature doesn't
necessarily  imply  that it has to be realized. You can bet that there
are  still  enough features to be added which will raise usability for
the majority of users.

I agree with Marck:

> I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically "wrong"
> to  edit  received  messages  for  filing.  I  also accept that I am
> probably in the minority in holding that position :-).

Archiving  messages  with an email client s.o. is using isn't the way
to work professionally and effectively: there is specialized software
out there for just that purpose.


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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Nick Danger

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Hi ADoe196701,

A> how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. 
A>  I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address.

Wow, what a perfect note to hang on the wall under:

How not to send an email to a discussion list.

* Subject not changed
* Replied to an existing thread with a new thread
* No salutation
* No signature
* Without capitalization one might assume the first sentence is
actually a partial cutoff.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 17/11/00 at 23:06 Dieter Hummel wrote:

[SNIP]
>
>Archiving  messages  with an email client s.o. is using isn't the way
>to work professionally and effectively: there is specialized software
>out there for just that purpose.
>

Why shouldn't it be a way to work professionally and efficiently? I don't
see how using
another program has to be more efficient.

And out of curiousity, what software would you recommend for the purpose?

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Doug Weller



On 17/11/00 at 21:14 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

[SNIP]
>
>Please understand that it is a known standard practice for competitors
>to  join  mailing lists and start a fight just for the "flying fur" of
>it.  As  moderator it is my job to be vigilant and nip any such attack
>"in  the bud". Again, I apologize for tarring you with this particular
>brush. I don't mean or wish to scare /you/ off.

Ok, I understand your position, thanks.


>DW> Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am
>DW> genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative.
>
>I  do. In which case, back to the issue... did you understand that you
>*can*  do  what you are looking for in TB by dragging a message to the
>OutBox  and  editing  it there before returning it to the folder where
>you want to keep it?

Yes, that's not too bad, might download the demo and try that.

>While it may not be as simple as the Calypso method, you may find that
>the  way  TB  does the stuff it's *really* strong on may give you good
>reason to give it a try.

Yep.
[SNIP]
>Anyway, unless you start using TB in "anger", you're not going to know
>if  the  slightly  longer  way  of  achieving  that  one function is a
>show-stopper when weighed up with the rest of TB's functionality.
>

Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I
know that
might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!).  Other clients are very
slow to open
and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


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Hi Doug,

On 17 November 2000 at 22:34:39 + (which was 22:34 where I
live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

DW> Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of
DW> messages (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it
DW> happens!). Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be
DW> surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also.

Version  1.42  (IIRC)  saw  a  radical improvement here. I try to keep
folders  down  to  1500 messages for quick access and around 18000 for
archive.  Above  that  the  folders do get quite slow. In total I have
more than 74000 messages in my mail base.

In  terms  of loading time, it can take a fair few seconds to open and
initialise  the folder tree for me. OTOH TB's multi-threading approach
means  that the software is up, running, reading new mail and ready to
use well before that particular job has completed.

A  word of caution for you here Doug: the biggest negative point in TB
in  terms  of culture shock must be the insistence on fixed pitch font
and  "free  caret"  edit  interface. I like 'em. Many don't. (hey - no
"holy  war" rekindling here gang - it's a DEAD HORSE before it starts,
okay? ).

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Manfred Ell

On 17-11-2000 at 22:34:39GMT + (which was 22:34 where I live)
Doug Weller wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

> Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I
> know that
> might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!).  Other clients are very
> slow to open
> and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also.


Hello Doug,

Just throw them at "the flying mouse" and keep them coming, you won't be
disappointed!!!

Especially if you come from Calypso ;-)
And I feel entitled to this comment because I've bought Calypso (and
Eudora and TheBat) and used them all.
Calypso stores *everything* in one database!
I don't want to start another war here, please... I just *know* first hand
and have compared all three.

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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Hi Doug,
 On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, at 22:34:39 [GMT +] you wrote:

 [..]
> Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I
> know that
> might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!).  Other clients are very
> slow to open
> and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also.

I'm a stickler for message formatting.

I'm curious as to how your message formatting get's to look like how
it's displayed above. I'm quite sure this was not your intention and
that you would have preferred if it looked like this:

> Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages
> (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!).
> Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be surprised, or
> put off terribly, if The Bat were also.

Are you accustomed to hitting the return key thus creating your own hard
returns? This brings me to one of the reasons why I'm attracted to TB!
so much  it doesn't reformat text upon sending, so the formatting
you see before you send, is the formatting the recipient will receive.

Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Calypso all suffer from the bad model
of wrapping text upon sending ... not while editing. This wrapping on
sending, oh so wrongfully, includes quoted material.

Anyway, to answer your question, TB! handles thousands of messages very
well, but its performance depends a lot on the performance of your hard
disk. I presently have 35,000 messages across 2 accounts in TB!. On my
older drive, TB! opened very quickly. Even though, you see the message
tallying going on (this takes a few moments), TB! is already downloading
mail. It's beautifully multi-threaded, you see. :=) I have a folder here
containing 7000 messages. When I opened it on my older hard disk, I had
to wait for about 5 seconds for the message list to appear. Now that I
have my new, faster hard disk, TB! starts even more quickly and the
folder message numbers are tallied almost immediately. The message list
of the 7000 message folders appears in less than a second. :=)

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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Manfred Ell

On 17-11-2000 at 23:06:22GMT +0100 (which was 22:06 where I live)
Dieter Hummel wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages"

Hello Dieter,

Now here is someone teaching again! I'm German too Dieter (and we like to
teach for sure).

> The  fact  that  you  have  requested  an  unnecessary feature doesn't
> necessarily  imply  that it has to be realized. You can bet that there
> are  still  enough features to be added which will raise usability for
> the majority of users.

Everyone is entitled to his or her position. And if you think this feature
is unnecessary than this is OK, for you, but I would like the feature (as
would others). And I as a user (which BTW bought the software) feel
entitled to suggest as many features to RIT as I whish to. They might
consider them or might not, it's up to them. But I *really* think that they
should be happy for every suggestion, which they get. Because it means that
the users like and care for the software to the extend to think about
improving it!

> Archiving  messages  with an email client s.o. is using isn't the way
> to work professionally and effectively: there is specialized software
> out there for just that purpose.

Please! How to work "professionally" or "effectively" is everyone's guess!
Don't teach or preach. You work one way and I another and I don't like to
be called unprofessional or ineffective. I don't know your age and
experience and you don't know mine. So let's tolerate each other. OK!?


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Re: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Doug,

On  Fri, 17 Nov 2000  at  18:54:42 GMT + (which was 10:54 AM
where I live) witnesses say Doug Weller typed:


> Why shouldn't users have the choice?

> Eg. I get a long post full of recipes. I only want to keep a few of them.
> What is wrong with deleting the
> rest?

As others have pointed out, there are ways to edit the message.  The
question is, should RITLabs add a feature to specifically edit
messages.  It seems like a waste of time given all the other wishes
and the fact that you *can* edit a message.  It just isn't as simple
as some other programs.

I personally dislike programs where it is *extremely* easy to edit a
message. I used Outlook at work, and you can edit a message simply by
typing.  I found I would write my replies in the original message
instead of in a proper reply.  It was *very* annoying. 

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Re: Editing received messages

2002-11-27 Thread Daniel Grunberg
Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:26:09 [GMT +] (9:26 AM EST here) Nick Dutton
wrote:

> Is there any way that I can edit a received message?  I use many of
> my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some
> of the messages for clarity etc.

Redirect the message to yourself. Edit the message. Do not send the
message. Save the message in your Outbox. Move the message from your
Outbox to your storage folder.

 1. Highlight the message in the TheBat! message window.

 2. Choose Message -> Re-direct.

 3. Put your email address on the "To:" line.

 4. Edit the message.

 5. Close AND Save the message.

 6. Delete the original unedited message.

 7. Move the redirected, edited message from your Outbox to the
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Re: Editing received messages

2002-11-27 Thread Simon
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'Lo Nick,

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:26:09 + your time, you said:

ND> Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of my TB
ND> folders  for  reference  and would like to be able to modify some of the
ND> messages for clarity etc.

On  the  Message  menu,  |Save  As|  to a folder. Open saved email in a text
editor,   make  changes,  save.  The  import  back  into  TB!  (Tools/Import
Messages/From .MSG/.EML Files.

You'll  have  to be careful here as after you've imported the edited message
you  will  have  two  emails,  the  original  and  the  one  you edited. The
differences between the original and the edited email will be the time stamp
and  the  alterations  you  made.  Best  in  that case to scrap the original
unedited version after successfully editing the email.

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Re: Editing received messages

2002-11-27 Thread Melissa Reese
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 6:26:09 AM PST, Nick Dutton wrote:

> Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of
> my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some
> of the messages for clarity etc.

Another possibility, without having to modify the actual message, is
to attach a "memo" to it.

You can do this by hitting "Shift-Ctrl-i", and a little memo box will
pop up for you to enter your notes about that particular message.

What I then do is this:

1) I place a "! " at the beginning of each memo, then...

2) In "View/Message List Column", I add the "memo" column, and give it
   a column width of 7 (just enough to show the "!"), and place it
   just after the subject line column.

This way, When I'm looking at the message index, I can see which
message has a memo attached, and if I want to see the memo, I just hit
"Shift-Ctrl-i".

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Re: Editing received messages

2002-11-28 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Nick,

MR>> What I then do is this:
>
MR>> 1) I place a "! " at the beginning of each memo, then...
>
>
> Melissa, nice bit of lateral thinking!

Yes, it certainly is. Thanks Melissa :-)

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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2000-11-16 Thread Jan Rifkinson

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Hi Manfred,

On Thursday, November 16, 2000 @ 00:01:29 +, you
wrote the following about "Editing received messages"


Manfred> [...]  BUT  I  have had the need to edit one or the
Manfred> other email I have received (business stuff) not to
Manfred> change  it's contents but to add some memo stuff to
Manfred> the   end   of   it,   like   notes  from  a  phone
Manfred> conversation.  (e.g. when I sent prices to a client
Manfred> and  then  change some stuff afterwards I'd like to
Manfred> jot  this down on the original email so that I have
Manfred> a  record  of  it). Perhaps there's a better way to
Manfred> do.  And for this I have used the feature in Eudora
Manfred> where I come from and I miss it here too. [...]

 I have sort of been following this thread. Wouldn't
 TB!'s  memo function (CTRL-SHFT-I) help you in this
 matter?

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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Mike Zanker

At 03:47 17/11/2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> I would also like to see what Doug says about this. He has been
> awfully quiet - but, then, I don't know his time zone or work
> schedule.

GMT. I know Doug from another mailing list and he's not the sort of
person to join a list merely to promote a competing product. My
impression was that he really would like to use The Bat! were it not for
a feature that his current mailer handles in a more straightforward way.
Some might consider it a minor feature (or even an unwanted feature) but
everyone's requirements vary.

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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Thomas D. Frueh

Hello!

ACM> Perfectly. :=) I work with a 1600x1200 resolution and still complain.

Poser! ;-]

beste Gruesse,
(best regards)
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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Jan Rifkinson

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Hi Manfred,

On Friday, November 17, 2000 @ 18:15:07 +, you
wrote the following about "Editing received messages"


Manfred> [...]  I must say, you've put it all pretty well in
Manfred> a  nutshell.  I agree 100% with everything you have
Manfred> said. [...]

 nutshell?  I'd  say  soccer  ball  but  it  was all
 interesting.

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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Jan Rifkinson

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Hi Kari,

On Friday, November 17, 2000 @ 20:11:06 +0100, you
wrote the following about "Editing received messages"


Kari> A . Curtis Martin wrote on Freitag, 17. November 2000 12:27:15 h
Kari> about "Editing received messages":

Kari> Hello A,

ACM>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote
ACM>> the following:

ME>>> The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if
ME>>> there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't.

ACM>> You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the
ACM>> message listing, right?

Kari> To be honest, no, I don't know. I just managed to open that little
Kari> Memo Box, but a single column would be much better. How do I do this?

  Right  click on the icon bar just above your msg list,
  in  the available list select "memo" & move it over to
  the  selected  list  &  a  column will be created that
  contains  the  memo.

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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2000-11-17 Thread Diana Calder

Friday, November 17, 2000, 12:45:15 PM, Ming-Li wrote:

ML> On Thursday, November 16, 2000, 2:19:16 PM, Marck wrote:

>> There  are  good  reasons  that  an  email client doesn't allow
>> you to change  incoming  mails  easily.  For  instance,  it  is
>> this kind of trivialisation  that  cheapens  email  as  a
>> legitimate  record  of a communication.  I  know  now that any
>> forwarded message from a Calypso user  is  as  unrepresentative
>> as those I already distrust from Becky users. Thanks for the heads
>> up :-).

ML> Several of you have expressed the same thought. I don't agree.

I DO agree - it should be perfectly clear when a message has been edited,
regardless of what the reason for the editing was.

ML> If I forward a message to you and claim it to be exactly the same as
ML> the original, you'll just have to take my word for it, regardless
ML> whether I send it from TB or any other emailer. If you trust me, you
ML> trust me; if you don't, you don't. Changes to the content of email
ML> can be done, no matter what programs one uses.

Sure, it's always possible to change the content of e-mail. It's also
possible to falsify all sorts of info in the headers. That doesn't
necessarily make it a GOOD thing to do, however. But if someone has
forwarded/redirected something to me, I KNOW that it could possibly
have been edited, regardless of what the sender may say/imply.

ML> What if I receive a message full of jokes and I only want to keep
ML> one of them? What if I want to change the subject and put the
ML> original subject in the memo? (I don't have 1600*1200, Allie, :) and
ML> can't afford to show memo in the message list pane.) What if I want
ML> to break a thread that doesn't belong together (despite moderators'
ML> repeated warning, it still happens a lot, doesn't it)?

Here's another option: redirect the message to yourself. This lets you
edit the original message &/or subject, keeps the original sender &
reply-to intact, and keeps the Message-ID intact. No, sorry, it SHOULD
keep the original Message-ID intact (necessary for
newsgroup-moderation, for one thing, which is why I know that Eudora
also has a broken "redirect"/"bounce" but Forte Agent's works
properly), however The Bat! apparently does not keep it intact as I
just tested it out and it changed the Message-ID :( . However, because
redirecting adds the X-Sender header, it is clear that it the message
has passed through someone else's hands and may have been edited. I
don't have "Use local delivery" set up on my system, but I would guess
that probably using that would let you "send" the message without it
actually having to go out to the net and come back again?? And you
could set up a filter on incoming mail (using the X-Sender and your
e-mail address in the kludges) to automatically redirect the message
to your "archiving" folder and mark it as read if you so desired. I
don't know, however, what this would do to the X-References header,
bearing in mind that The Bat! does not correctly preserve the
Message-ID, however it SHOULD keep the X-References header intact so
that if you thread by references, it would not break the thread
(though editing the subject would obviously break the thread if you
thread by Subject).

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Re[2]: Editing received messages

2002-11-28 Thread Nick Dutton
Melissa,

Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 8:02:00 PM, you wrote:
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MR> On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 6:26:09 AM PST, Nick Dutton wrote:

>> Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of
>> my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some
>> of the messages for clarity etc.

MR> What I then do is this:

MR> 1) I place a "! " at the beginning of each memo, then...


Melissa, nice bit of lateral thinking!

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DEAD HORSE (was Re: Editing received messages)

2000-11-17 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


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Hi Manfred,

On 17 November 2000 at 23:21:35 + (which was 23:21 where I
live) Manfred Ell wrote and made these points:

ME> Everyone is entitled to his or her position.

Agreed.  I  have  snipped the rest of this message because I want this
branch of the discussion to stop (on-list).

If  anyone  want's to continue discussing this topic then do so either
in  private  or  on  TBOT. Tempers are fraying and I don't want to see
anyone saying anything they may regret :-).

So - t'is a DEAD HORSE, my friends.

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Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)

2000-11-17 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello ADoe196701,

On  Fri, 17 Nov 2000  at  16:47:52 GMT EST (which was 1:47 PM
where I live) witnesses say [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. 
>  I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address.

As far as I know, Hotmail does not offer POP3 access.  You will need
to use a program that can get messages from web based mail servers.
Outlook can access Hotmail, and there are other tools that can also
access Hotmail and download your messages onto your computer.
If this is not an option, consider changing e-mail accounts to a
service that does offer free POP3 access.

I am evaluating 3 such services at the moment.  Here are some of the
things I've found.  This is purely from my experience, your mileage
may vary.

www.operamail.com
 -> Pretty good, I've had some unreliable moments,
but overall, not bad.

 -> Tends to be the slowest of the three mentioned.

 -> Hasn't bounced any mail sent to it through my forwarding
addresses yet.
 
www.gmx.net
 -> Very nice, but I've found that it goes down quite often.  This is
a significant problem.

 -> When it is up and running, it has the best web based interface and
is very fast.

 -> It seems to reject all mail from Hotmail.com addresses. I'm not
completely sure about this point, but maybe someone else could
share their experiences?  Could this be because of my use of
forwarding addresses?

 -> There is an English version too, just select your language from
the multilingual drop-down.

www.SoftHome.net
 -> Seems to be very reliable and very fast.  I haven't had this one
for very long, so don't quote me on the reliability at this point.

 -> I haven't tried making one of my forwarding addresses point to
this one.  I can't comment on how well SoftHome handles this part.

 -> Only mailing list mail is coming through this account.  I haven't
noticed any missing messages yet.


There are several others available as well. For a more complete list,
see the list provided by Angel in a post to TBUDL on October 2, 2000
under the subject "Re: email services that work well w/ TB!"  You can
find the message in the archives at:

http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg15604.html

It is extremely well written.  [Angel: Thanks for the great list!]

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Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Editing received messages)

2000-11-18 Thread Ming-Li

On Friday, November 17, 2000, 3:42:30 PM, Marck wrote:

> If  anyone  want's to continue discussing this topic then do so
> either in  private  or  on  TBOT. Tempers are fraying and I don't
> want to see anyone saying anything they may regret :-).

> So - t'is a DEAD HORSE, my friends.

This is what happens when one can only write mail once per day. :(
Well, I'll see you in TBOT. Except those I'm sure to be TBOT
subscribers, I'll send a copy of my reply to your email address,
too. Sorry if you get duplicates.

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Re: Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)

2000-11-18 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Januk,

   On Friday, November 17, 2000 @ 17:41:04 -0800, you
   wrote the following about "Hotmail and TB (was: Re:
   Editing received messages)"
  

Januk> [...] consider changing e-mail accounts to a service
Januk> that does offer free POP3 access.

Januk> I am evaluating 3 such services at the moment. Here
Januk> are some of the things I've found. [...]

   Yahoo! email is free, consistent, easy to use, has
   pop3 access.
   
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Re: Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)

2000-11-21 Thread Angel

Hi there!

>> how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. 
>>  I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address.

JA> You can
JA> find the message in the archives at:
JA> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg15604.html
JA> It is extremely well written.  [Angel: Thanks for the great list!]

Thanks... :)

I WILL add that while no POP3 email program such as TheBat!, Eudora et
al. can download Hotmail emails in and of themselves, it CAN be done using
a 3rd party program called Web2Pop. Outlook Express *can* access Hotmail, but
it does it in a manner different than TB! using Web2Pop, which allows TB!
to access Hotmail as if it were a non-webbased email account.

Web2Pop can be found at: http://www.jmasoftware.com . It is shareware,
but having used it for months and registering it, I can honestly vouch
for it...and with as many email accounts as I have, business related
and otherwise, it sure saves me time and effort. We have it set up to work
with TB! and M$ Outlook (*not* "Outlook Express") and it works fine.

If anyone needs help setting up Web2Pop, they can drop me
an email.. I would be glad to assist. :)

You did mention "Softhome"'s forwarding: my better-half uses his
Softhome account as the recipient of approx. 5 forwarded email accounts
(I use it strictly as POP3) and thus far has had no problem with it.
They are delivered almost instantly...Softhome has been one of THE most
reliable and efficient of all Free POP3 Email services we have bumped
into over the years. :) I may add that their SMTP works wonders as
well. Meaning, we can use their SMTP server from TB! no matter what
ISP we are connected to. This helps a LOT, as anyone who's changed
ISPs and has numerous accounts in their Email client can tell you that
changing the SMTP settings can be a pain-in-the-rear. So Softhome's
services, overall, is an A+++ in my own opinion. :)

I apologize for the lateness of this replyhope this helps :D

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Re: Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)

2000-11-24 Thread Peter Steiner

Sorry for replying this late, i still have >400 messages to sift
through...

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:41:04 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> www.gmx.net
[...]
JA>  -> It seems to reject all mail from Hotmail.com addresses. I'm not
JA> completely sure about this point, but maybe someone else could
JA> share their experiences?  Could this be because of my use of
JA> forwarding addresses?

It's a default option that any mail from a hotmail sender, but not
coming from a hotmail server, is blocked (spam protection). If
you forward other accounts to GMX, you will get hit by this, but you
can disable it somewhere in the configuration pages...

Regards

Peter
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