Re: Features galore -
Hello Joseph! On Friday, October 4, 2002 at 11:50:57 PM you wrote: awc Regardless of what some people think, email is a logical part of awc a PIM I couldn't agree more! I am sure I do know only half of what you agree with, but if from A follows B it doesn't mean that from B follows A. Therefore e-mail may be a logical (even necessary) part of a PIM, but not the other way round. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Ein politischer Kommentar? - Salzflecken bekommt man am besten mit Rotwein raus. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Features galore -
On Saturday, October 05, 2002, Dierk Haasis wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: awc Regardless of what some people think, email is a logical part of awc a PIM JN I couldn't agree more! DH I am sure I do know only half of what you agree with, but DH if from A follows B DH it doesn't mean DH that from B follows A. DH Therefore e-mail may be a logical (even necessary) part of a PIM, but DH not the other way round. Dierk, Full PIM functionality is not necessary in a capable email package; I agree with you on that. My only point was agreeing with the notion that email would be a valuable complement to a full-featured PIM. That's one reason why Outlook and Notes are so useful. I'm going to explore switching from using both TB! and Lotus/IBM Organizer, both of which I think are outstanding programs, to using only AbacusLaw, a PIM that integrates The Bat! as the email client. The issue will be whether I gain enough from having TB! integrated into the full PIM to justify losing the power and office-suite-integration features of Lotus/IBM Organizer. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Features galore
ON Thursday, October 3, 2002, 11:58:05 PM, you wrote: JBG 1. Indexed searching. All folders should be indexed. Headers, body, JBG the works. At least a possibility to do so. A setting somewhere. Makes JBG searching 200Mb worth of text mails (without attachments) somewhat JBG faster :) Hi Jakob, I think you mean something else but you do know you can right-click on the top of de email subject window and add remove columns. You can then sort ascending and descending on each column. An other option is to filter on emails addresses or subject by clicking on a mail with the Alt button pressed. I am quite impressed all these possibilities. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check? Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Features galore -
Hello Joseph, Thursday, October 3, 2002, 6:52:38 PM, you wrote: JNOn Thursday, October 03, 2002, Jakob Breivik Grimstveit wrote in JN [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JN JBG Two things I would love to see in The Bat!: JN JBG 1. Indexed searching. JN JBG 2. When indexing is in place it shouldn't be too hard to include a JN JBG virtual folder option. JN Jakob, JN Perhaps the issue is really whether TB! should embrace a JN development priority that the program should function as a JN good archive database. I'm not convinced yet that it should, JN but I'd like to hear what others think. if the architecture for the user interface was database driven then the user could choose whichever view of the data they want via filtering and/or selecting sorting. (As I am not technical as to TB!'s back end, perhaps a Database is used, if I am wrong in my assumption, please advise!) it seems like mail applications could significantly benefit from creative use of the front end and provide the best of both worlds. In addition, indexed searching would be a logical extension of that. having yet another application to manage archived email is NOT what i'm looking for. All the Purists that think this is for mail and nothing else seem to have a narrow view of the utilization of email in the corporate world and the requirement to keep track of minutia in all the Hundreds of emails received by employees daily. Regardless of what some people think, email is a logical part of a PIM. I see that this program will evolve that way anyhow. just my .02 Laura -- Best regards, alistsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Features galore
Hello Gerard, On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:10:14 +0200 GMT (04/10/02, 21:10 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: G I think you mean something else but you do know you can right-click G on the top of de email subject window and add remove columns. You G can then sort ascending and descending on each column. This is a very powerful feature, albeit it works only within a folder. G An other option is to filter on emails addresses or subject by G clicking on a mail with the Alt button pressed. You can also run a search across folders and even accounts. What would be useful is a way to save the result. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. QUESTION: If a fire hydrant has H2O on the inside, what is on the outside? ANSWER: K9P Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Features galore -
Hello Laura, On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:30:55 -0700 GMT (04/10/02, 21:30 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JN Perhaps the issue is really whether TB! should embrace a JN development priority that the program should function as a JN good archive database. I'm not convinced yet that it should, JN but I'd like to hear what others think. awc if the architecture for the user interface was database driven awc then the user could choose whichever view of the data they want awc via filtering and/or selecting sorting. (As I am not awc technical as to TB!'s back end, perhaps a Database is used, if I awc am wrong in my assumption, please advise!) The *.tbb files are databases, which are indexed. The corresponding index files are the *.tbi files. I for one don't see a problem in an email program also being able to take care of mail archives. I think this would be an enhancement. However, I don't know whether TB's databases can handle several indices. awc it seems like mail applications could significantly benefit from awc creative use of the front end and provide the best of both awc worlds. In addition, indexed searching would be a logical awc extension of that. I agree. I hear the IMAP people and other parties yell that there are more important things. Well OK. I don't use IMAP, and so everybody has his own priorities. ;-) awc having yet another application to manage archived email is NOT awc what i'm looking for. All the Purists that think this is for awc mail and nothing else You could counter than an email archive is for email. What do we do with email after we receive it? 1: read it. 2: (maybe) reply to it. 3: keep it. Most of the life time of an email is in number 3, unless deleted, in which case the question of archive handling is irrelevant. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ist es nicht merkwuerdig, dass jeden Tag gerade so viel passiert, wie in die Zeitung passt? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Features galore
ON Friday, October 4, 2002, 6:46:06 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Gerard, TF On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:10:14 +0200 GMT (04/10/02, 21:10 +0700 GMT), TF Gerard wrote: G I think you mean something else but you do know you can right-click G on the top of de email subject window and add remove columns. You G can then sort ascending and descending on each column. TF This is a very powerful feature, albeit it works only within a folder. True, but my folder represent a useful subset of my mail. I do not give all my contacts there own folder as some do :( G An other option is to filter on emails addresses or subject by G clicking on a mail with the Alt button pressed. TF You can also run a search across folders and even accounts. What would TF be useful is a way to save the result. Yes that would be useful just as search within the results, which would be possible if you could save the results I guess. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Error, no keyboard - press F1 to continue. -- PC Bios message Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Features galore -
On Friday, October 04, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: awc Regardless of what some people think, email is a logical part of awc a PIM Laura, I couldn't agree more! Unfortunately, that also ups the ante, because: 1. Contacts and schedules need to be linked, arguably email also, and 2. The user that needs those functions linked probably also needs some assurance that the program will be around for awhile and will work well with other programs. There are only a handful of programs that provide high level PIM functionality, tie in email, and have a likelihood of longevity. It's quite a commitment, and I'm not sure that TB! could pull it off. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Features galore
Two things I would love to see in The Bat!: 1. Indexed searching. All folders should be indexed. Headers, body, the works. At least a possibility to do so. A setting somewhere. Makes searching 200Mb worth of text mails (without attachments) somewhat faster :) 2. When indexing is in place it shouldn't be too hard to include a virtual folder option. Like in Notes, where one can group the mails first by sender, then topic, across all folders. I don't know whether something like this is possible by first opening a mail search obtaining all mails and then sort them by the regular thread criterias and so on, but it just isn't enough. All these virtual folder should be accessible like a regular folder via the folder tree. Good ideas? Would like to discuss them before submitting the suggestions to the RITLabs team. Let the quarrel begin! :) -- Jakob Breivik Grimstveit, [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.grimstveit.net/jakob/ Morvikbotn 341, 5122 Morvik. Heim: 55195667, mob: 48298152, jobb: 55239715 System Integrator, Star Shipping as, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks who think they know it all bug those of us who do. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Features galore
On Thursday, October 03, 2002, Jakob Breivik Grimstveit wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JBG Two things I would love to see in The Bat!: JBG 1. Indexed searching. JBG 2. When indexing is in place it shouldn't be too hard to include a JBG virtual folder option. Jakob, While I like both of those options, I do not agree that they should be in The Bat! TB! is a mailer. The options you are proposing are appropriate for an archive database. While it's true that TB! can hold a tremendous amount of mail, a good archive database has all sorts of features that a mailer does not need (and would be included only at the cost of bloat and absence of other features). Why not use an archive tool like Mailbag Assistant or some of the other programs that I have heard are out there? (I use Mailbag Assistant and frequently search large databases, including across multiple archive files.) Perhaps the issue is really whether TB! should embrace a development priority that the program should function as a good archive database. I'm not convinced yet that it should, but I'd like to hear what others think. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Features galore
At 04.10.2002 03:52, Joseph N. wrote the following: On Thursday, October 03, 2002, Jakob Breivik Grimstveit wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JBG Two things I would love to see in The Bat!: 1. Indexed JBG searching. 2. When indexing is in place it shouldn't be too hard JBG to include a virtual folder option. While I like both of those options, I do not agree that they should be in The Bat! TB! is a mailer. The options you are proposing are appropriate for an archive database. I don't agree with you there. A mailer definetly both should serve as a good mail sending and receiving client. But The Bat is (as you sure would agree with me on) is far more than a regular spam generator (sorry, been up too long). It sports very extensible template support, filtering, tremendous threading, multithreaded folder browsing and searching, heavy-duty mail editor, etc. etc. etc. While it's true that TB! can hold a tremendous amount of mail, a good archive database has all sorts of features that a mailer does not need (and would be included only at the cost of bloat and absence of other features). Having the features I mentioned doesn't involve product bloat. If coded in a decent way (which the RITlabs team surely would manage) this extra feature set wouldn't impact the mail clients size too much. The HTML viewer, now *that's* bloatware. And the built-in imageviewer! But support for customizable virtual folders is IMHO not so. Ximian Evolution and VM, for example, has virtual folder support. More about that here: http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/features.html http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/user-manual/vm_15.html Why not use an archive tool like Mailbag Assistant or some of the other programs that I have heard are out there? Never heard of the program, but will check it. To send and recieve mails is fine, but quickly retrieve a conversation later on is not a priority within a mail client? Strange conclusion. Once more IMHO of course :). -- Jakob Breivik Grimstveit, [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.grimstveit.net/jakob/ Morvikbotn 341, 5122 Morvik. Heim: 55195667, mob: 48298152, jobb: 55239715 System Integrator, Star Shipping as, [EMAIL PROTECTED] We were unanimous - in fact everyone was unanimous. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
