Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hello David, On Friday, 7. March 2003, at 14:24:36 [GMT -0500] you wrote: AM ,-[ begin ]- AM | AM | Building support for: AM | AM | - PGP 8. Finally - they've started publish the full source code again, AM | so the plug-in and changes in The Bat! should appear soon.| AM | AM '-[ end ]-|| That's nice, but there is a big problem. As i was told (Data security institute of a German university) , there is no command line program included in PGP 8.0 like in PGP 6.x IMHO that means there can't be a development by Ritlab for developing a TB Plugin. This has to be done by PGP itself. But as we know in the freeware version of PGP 8 you can't even use the plugins. Only in the registered version they are working. And now? -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: TheBat! 1.63 Beta/7 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP:PGP 6.58ckt Build 08 | Key: 0xABBB7287 HP: http://thebat.ist-super.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, March 08, 2003, Thomas Martin wrote... AM ,-[ begin ]- AM | AM | Building support for: AM | AM | - PGP 8. Finally - they've started publish the full source code again, AM | so the plug-in and changes in The Bat! should appear soon.| AM | AM '-[ end ]-|| That's nice, but there is a big problem. As i was told (Data security institute of a German university) , there is no command line program included in PGP 8.0 like in PGP 6.x IMHO that means there can't be a development by Ritlab for developing a TB Plugin. This has to be done by PGP itself. But as we know in the freeware version of PGP 8 you can't even use the plugins. Only in the registered version they are working. What makes you say that because PGP 8 has no CLI interface that you cannot develop an interface for it? Download the source code for PGP 8, and take a look at the Eudora, or Outlook Express plugin code... that is the code that is used to interact with the progam itself. No CLI is needed. I write interfaces for other applications that don't include a CLI interface at all. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPmo/iSuD6BT4/R9zEQK5dACgxcyAwoCNzUlHeWV+ta3PTWk2yboAn2FW Sc1HB3altnPuAgZpuPLmVcAG =cfKJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hello Jonathan, On Saturday, 8. March 2003, at 13:07:41 [GMT -0600] you wrote: What makes you say that because PGP 8 has no CLI interface that you cannot develop an interface for it? Download the source code for PGP 8, and take a look at the Eudora, or Outlook Express plugin code... that is the code that is used to interact with the progam itself. No CLI is needed. I write interfaces for other applications that don't include a CLI interface at all. Sorry of course you are right, i mixed something up. -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: TheBat! 1.63 Beta/7 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP:PGP 6.58ckt Build 08 | Key: 0xABBB7287 HP: http://thebat.ist-super.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hi Folks, I've been trying to get feedback on the progress of a PGP8 plugin. Hopefully this will be out before the next versions of PGP are already obsolete. I personally consider in client support for the newer versions of PGP a must if I'm to continue using the Bat. I don't mind waiting a while if I could get progress information. Using the RitLabs request feature or their support email doesn't seem to be much use. I either don't get a useful human reply or in the case of the feature request a reply at all. Even MickeySoft do a better job than this at talking to customers. Any suggestions? Anyone from RitLabs on here can tell me the status of PGP8 plugins. 1 month, 6 month, a year, never? I need to know to make decisions about possibilities for continuing use of the Bat. I use PGP a lot and don't intend to revert back to older versions. Sorry if this sounds like a rant, I'm just a little frustrated at the lack of direct response. JC Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John L Crain [JLC] wrote: JLC I've been trying to get feedback on the progress of a PGP8 plugin. I'm not able to tell you what the progress is, only that there's plans for one. In a message from Stefan Tanurkov to TBBETA on Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:28:55 -0800 He wrote the following: ,-[ begin ]- | | Building support for: | | - PGP 8. Finally - they've started publish the full source code again, | so the plug-in and changes in The Bat! should appear soon.| | '-[ end ]-|| JLC Anyone from RitLabs on here can tell me the status of PGP8 plugins. JLC 1 month, 6 month, a year, never? All we have is 'soon'. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator | OS: XP Pro (SP1) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html iD8DBQE+aPBQV8nrYCsHF+IRAjxMAKC8DBUSWcqI9qAZTQgtBcuThv2G5wCdFPL8 lrme7+6p4jsMHU1dAlsvO8M= =AHUV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
On Friday, March 07, 2003 at 14:17:35GMT -0500 (which was 2:17 PM where I live) Allie Martin wrote and made these points on the subject of Getting feedback from Ritlabs: AM John L Crain [JLC] wrote: JLC I've been trying to get feedback on the progress of a PGP8 plugin. AM I'm not able to tell you what the progress is, only that there's AM plans for one. AM In a message from Stefan Tanurkov to TBBETA on Tue, 31 Dec 2002 AM 19:28:55 -0800 AM He wrote the following: AM ,-[ begin ]- AM | AM | Building support for: AM | AM | - PGP 8. Finally - they've started publish the full source code again, AM | so the plug-in and changes in The Bat! should appear soon.| AM | AM '-[ end ]-|| JLC Anyone from RitLabs on here can tell me the status of PGP8 plugins. JLC 1 month, 6 month, a year, never? AM All we have is 'soon'. On the footheels of that, how about better support for GnuPG? -- Best regards, David Failure is not an option, it comes bundled with the software. Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Calvarese [DC] wrote: DC On the footheels of that, how about better support for GnuPG? That wasn't mentioned in his message. :/ What improved support are you thinking of? - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator | OS: XP Pro (SP1) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html iD8DBQE+aPSgV8nrYCsHF+IRAiO1AKDKSCJKHzI1fEUyGzGBa0eS4nr1OgCfWOy0 +tq2S2vJZd6wfDbgf27BI3w= =YFrR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
On Friday, March 07, 2003 at 14:35:59GMT -0500 (which was 2:35 PM where I live) Allie Martin wrote and made these points on the subject of Getting feedback from Ritlabs: AM David Calvarese [DC] wrote: DC On the footheels of that, how about better support for GnuPG? AM That wasn't mentioned in his message. :/ AM What improved support are you thinking of? Better integration. Key management abilities for it for starters. PGP/Mime support as well. Having an unencrypted message show up as a new message is annoying, but liveable. Knowing what user ID to use to decode a message instead of me having to type both the id and my password each time I decrypt a message is a must. Heck, it's be great if TB! had an internal distribution of GPG+IDEA... Dave -- Best regards, David Not everything that can be counted, counts. And not everything that counts can be counted. (Albert Einstein) Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hello Allie, That's the sort of reply I keep getting but nothing from RitLabs;( Being worked on, or plans, can mean 7 day or 7 years:( Microsoft plans to release a stable operating system I hear.. Been hearing that one for years :) As much as I like the bat I'm afraid they are going to lose a customer over this. Not the lack of PGP8 but the lack of information/feedback. Is there anyone from Ritlabs on this list? If So: You are giving me a we've already got your money so go figure it out on your own feeling. I'd be happy to pay a renewable licence or a support fee for some support. If it's being worked on there must be a project plan. Which means there must be a schedule. I'd be happy with a Barring major setbacks it's x months/weeks away At least then I would have something to base my decisions on. # Leaving whining mode here JC AM John L Crain [JLC] wrote: JLC I've been trying to get feedback on the progress of a PGP8 plugin. AM I'm not able to tell you what the progress is, only that there's AM plans for one. AM In a message from Stefan Tanurkov to TBBETA on Tue, 31 Dec 2002 AM 19:28:55 -0800 AM He wrote the following: AM ,-[ begin ]- AM | AM | Building support for: AM | AM | - PGP 8. Finally - they've started publish the full source code again, AM | so the plug-in and changes in The Bat! should appear soon.| AM | AM '-[ end ]-|| JLC Anyone from RitLabs on here can tell me the status of PGP8 plugins. JLC 1 month, 6 month, a year, never? AM All we have is 'soon'. AM - -- AM -= allie_M =- | List Moderator | OS: XP Pro (SP1) AM _ AM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- AM Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html AM iD8DBQE+aPBQV8nrYCsHF+IRAjxMAKC8DBUSWcqI9qAZTQgtBcuThv2G5wCdFPL8 AM lrme7+6p4jsMHU1dAlsvO8M= AM =AHUV AM -END PGP SIGNATURE- AM AM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: AM http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hello Melissa, Friday, March 7, 2003, 4:39:49 PM, you wrote: MR I've tried just about every Windows email client (and own several of MR them), but I have yet to find one as good as TB! If you quit using TB! MR over this, which inferior client will you be happy to use in its MR place? Yep! It's either 'The Bat!'... or 'The Butt!'. -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ A business is as honest as its advertisements. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Friday, March 7, 2003, 2:33:41 PM, John wrote: That's the sort of reply I keep getting but nothing from RitLabs;( Actually Allie's quote of Stefan *is* from Ritlabs. As much as I like the bat I'm afraid they are going to lose a customer over this. I suppose one could use Outhouse Express which hasn't seen any meaningful development for years ;) Not the lack of PGP8 but the lack of information/feedback. Is there anyone from Ritlabs on this list? I could be wrong, but I don't believe TB! developers participate on TBUDL. At least one of the developers is an active participant on the TBBETA list. He is the one Allie quoted in his response to you. I'd be happy with a Barring major setbacks it's x months/weeks away At least then I would have something to base my decisions on. Do you get this specific of development feedback from every other software vendor whose product you use? -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hello Dave, DG Do you get this specific of development feedback from every other DG software vendor whose product you use? Yes from many I do get feedback of this sort when a specific question is asked. I didn't realize there's a Beta list but Allie pointed me to it, for which many thanks. Software vendors are generally better than a it's being worked. Hardware vendors such as cisco/juniper/foundry have typically been very forthcoming, down to letting me see and test beta code. I use a lot of dell equipment and they will generally specify time frames for fixes to drivers etc. They're also very forthcoming with data. I'm not asking for them to give a specific date but a little more clarity would be nice. None of the above, not even Mickeysoft ignore request for info messages. I'm going to see how life is on the beta list. If not better I'm probably going to go back to Eudora for the time being. JC Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting feedback from Ritlabs
Hello Melissa, Unfortunately for me I really need to use PGP all the time. The Bat is by far the best of the clients I've seen, hands down but it's encryption and authentication support is lacking. If the wait for features is going to be behind the pack and I have no way of knowing how far behind then the probability of my employer allowing me to keep using it, or of the bat to ever get my recommendation to standardize to this, is minimal. As I've said I'll wait if I have some reasonable horizon, but if I don't want to wait until PGPv10 is out for PGPv8 support. JC Friday, March 7, 2003 MR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MR Hash: SHA1 MR On Friday, March 07, 2003, at 12:33:41 PM PST, John L Crain wrote: As much as I like the bat I'm afraid they are going to lose a customer over this. MR I've tried just about every Windows email client (and own several of MR them), but I have yet to find one as good as TB! If you quit using TB! MR over this, which inferior client will you be happy to use in its MR place? MR Melissa Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
