Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-26 Thread Gerard

ON Friday, November 26, 2004, 8:06:43 AM, you wrote:
ASK As Gerard wrote, it has nothing to do with TB, but rather with the IP
ASK address of the ISP.

ASK If your ISP's SMTP servers got blacklisted you can use any mailer you
ASK want and your mails won't get thru if the recipient filters his mail
ASK with DNS blacklists against spam.

Hi Alexander,

It could also be your personal IP number or block that is the problem. I had
that happen with a certain company :(

I am now having troubles with an other company were I replied to a mail af
theirs an it was refused for being spam ?

Weird life on the Net :)

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-26 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo WilWilWil,

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:02:09 +0100GMT (26-11-2004, 11:02 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

ASK If your ISP's SMTP servers got blacklisted you can use any mailer you
ASK want and your mails won't get thru if the recipient filters his mail
ASK with DNS blacklists against spam.
W Is there a way to know your mail has been fight ?

The proper way to enable DNS blacklists is server side. And those
should refuse the message during the smtp protocol and therefore you
should be notified that the message could not be delivered.
However, there are also some client side DNS blacklists and they're
not likely to bounce messages. (On the general idea that spam is most
often sent with a fake from.)

From your address I guess that you're using some free ISP or e-mail
provider and those are the most likely to be used by spammers, so your
ISP is likely to be blacklisted again and again.

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-26 Thread Ludovic LE MOAL
Hi,

On Friday, November 26, 2004 at 11:02:09 AM, WilWilWil wrote:

 ASK If your ISP's SMTP servers got blacklisted you can use any mailer you
 ASK want and your mails won't get thru if the recipient filters his mail
 ASK with DNS blacklists against spam.

 Is there a way to know your mail has been fight ?

As far as I know, if you want to send an email to an AOL member and
your SMTP server or its IP has been blacklisted, AOL send you a
message. They give an adress where you can find solution to remove
your IP to their blacklist.

But there's another problem with AOL : if you send a message with your
ISP SMTP server (example smtp.free.fr), if you have an adress like
something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if foo.tld and free.fr don't have the
same adress, the adressee won't receive your message and you won't be
warned about it.
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-25 Thread Gerard

ON Thursday, November 25, 2004, 10:36:33 AM, you wrote:
W Just found it. It's already set on  NO NO.

Hi WilWilWil,

Can you send me a private msg so I can check your headers to see there is
nothing there?

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-25 Thread Ludovic LE MOAL
Hi,

On Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 9:24:33 AM, Gerard wrote:

 There have been reports of ISP's blocking mail send from TB!.

Isn't it because of the X-Mailer header ?
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-25 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Ludovic,

Thursday, November 25, 2004, 10:55:55 AM, Ludovic LE MOAL wrote:

 Isn't it because of the X-Mailer header ?

Yes 1 of the problems, but just remove the X-Mailer header from messages
by Options | Preferences un-select 'Use X-Mailer in messages'.

IIRC some TBUDL'ers were being banned because of the IP address their
messages originated. My memory tells me that Marck was one of them and
the ISP was AOL.

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-25 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello WilWilWil,

Thursday, November 25, 2004, 11:59:31 PM, you wrote:

GS IIRC some TBUDL'ers were being banned because of the IP address
GS their messages originated. My memory tells me that Marck was one
GS of them and the ISP was AOL.

 Good news when you are searching a job by mail with TB ! :-(

As Gerard wrote, it has nothing to do with TB, but rather with the IP
address of the ISP.

If your ISP's SMTP servers got blacklisted you can use any mailer you
want and your mails won't get thru if the recipient filters his mail
with DNS blacklists against spam.

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-24 Thread Gerard

ON Tuesday, November 23, 2004, 11:26:06 PM, you wrote:


ASK What happens when you send as plain text (I think I remember you use HTML 
a
ASK lot)
W When I used TB2.12, I sent mail in PlainText : the same problem occurs...


Hi WilWilWil,

Is there any indication what is seen as a virus?

There have been reports of ISP's blocking mail send from TB!. You can check this
by changing the header info at Options-PreferencesMessages-Messages
headers- Mailer

I have switched mine of so it is just not send in email I send.

And yes, everybody knows that is stupid, but what can you do :(


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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-24 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello WilWilWil  everyone else,

on 23-Nov-2004 at 23:26 you (WilWilWil) wrote:

ASK What happens when you send as plain text (I think I remember you use HTML 
a
ASK lot)

 When I used TB2.12, I sent mail in PlainText : the same problem occurs...

Can you check if the SMTP server of your ISP has been blacklisted as a spam
relay? I wouldn't know *where* to check that, but it could be an
explanation...

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-24 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Alexander,

Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 1:44:51 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 Can you check if the SMTP server of your ISP has been blacklisted as a spam
 relay? I wouldn't know *where* to check that, but it could be an
 explanation...

After a little Googling try this list out.

http://www.email-policy.com/Spam-black-lists.htm

IIRC I've used http://www.ordb.org/ to test a previous ISP which I had a
web site and SMTP server.

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-24 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Alexander,

Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 12:44:51 PM, you wrote:
A Can you check if the SMTP server of your ISP has been blacklisted
A as a spam relay? I wouldn't know *where* to check that, but it
A could be an explanation...

A good metasearch for many DNSRBL lists is here:

http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=97

Enter the IP once and it searches a whole slew of them for you.


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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-24 Thread Gerard

ON Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 6:41:27 PM, you wrote:
G Is there any indication what is seen as a virus?

W No. Norton fight the mail and clear all headers. Just still an empty mail 
with date and time.

I was hoping the receiving party would tell you:

W Options-PreferencesMessages-Messages
W headers- Mailer

W I can't find this option in preferences ' tree.


Well it is there.

Options-Preferences-Messages  (this is 4th from the top)
Then select Messages headers  ( 3 below Messages)
Then select on the right side form the list of header fields -Mailer

Set it to NO NO

Hope this helps.


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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-23 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Peter,

On 22-11-2004 20:23, you [PM] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
PM As it was already pointed out, most viruses fake the From: address.
PM So it's no use to bother another victim. It has been said before,
PM but I want to add my vote, not to use auto-replies with viruses.

It would be cool if TB! would be smart enough to send the mail to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] IP address].

How cool would _that_ be?

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-23 Thread Gerard

ON Tuesday, November 23, 2004, 10:36:06 AM, you wrote:

PF It would be cool if TB! would be smart enough to send the mail to the
PF [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP address].

PF How cool would _that_ be?


Well if everyone whould have fixed IP address it would be cool, until then... =X


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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-23 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Gerard,

On 23-11-2004 12:21, you [G] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

PF It would be cool if TB! would be smart enough to send the mail to
PF the [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP address].

PF How cool would _that_ be?


G Well if everyone whould have fixed IP address it would be cool, until
G then... =X

Would it not be redirected to the postmaster of the ISP?

If not I agree it's a bad idea... :-)

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-23 Thread Gerard

ON Tuesday, November 23, 2004, 1:09:08 PM, you wrote:
PF Would it not be redirected to the postmaster of the ISP?

PF If not I agree it's a bad idea...  

Peter,

Usually these ISP's have a pool of IP address that ae rondomly asigned to the
user connecting at a certain time.

Sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would send it directly to a user currently 
using
that IP address. If he is not using his own email server you will probably get
no connection.

When using normal email address, the DNS lookup might resolve it to the ISP
email server but I never tried this :-)

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-23 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello WilWilWil  everyone else,

on 22-Nov-2004 at 23:25 you (WilWilWil) wrote:

 Is this because of a special format of mails written by TB ? They add my
 address in their white list but mails are fight again...

What happens when you send as plain text (I think I remember you use HTML a
lot)

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Mary Bull
Hello WilWilWil!

On Monday, November 22, 2004, 12:04 PM, you wrote:

W So my question is : how can I do for using this warning mail
W only for my friends. I want this feature OK only for person who are
W in my addresses book.

W A macro ? Template ? I could not find the way today...

WilWilWil, whatever you do, don't let the AVG automatic return message
go to mailing lists!

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello WilWilWil  everyone else,

on 22-Nov-2004 at 19:04 you (WilWilWil) wrote:

 A great feature of TB3 is that TB can automatically send an email to
 the person who just sent an infected email to you.

Please don't do that. Most, if not all worms/virus programs scan the
infected system for email addresses and use those as a sender. The sender
field of the mail is spoofed, it is most likely NOT the owner of the
infected system.

[the Sober.I worm that is spreading since last friday (actually, it started
infecting systems since last tuesday Nov 16th, but did not start its own
mail engine before friday Nov 19th) even knows of TheBat!'s message files
(.tbb) and will harvest mail addresses from there]

The automated warning message to the sender of an infected attachment is a
thing of the past (in *every* antivirus program), and it does serve NO
purpose other than increasing unneccessary mail traffic. That function
should be turned off by all means.

Please read here
http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_SOBER.I

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread AC Martin
Hi Alexander S. Kunz
 On 22/11/2004 01:25 PM, you wrote:
Please don't do that. Most, if not all worms/virus programs scan the 
infected system for email addresses and use those as a sender. The
sender field of the mail is spoofed, it is most likely NOT the
owner of the infected system.
Agreed. For a few days last week, I was receiving notification that I
had sent a virus to a particular address and that it was removed. Turns
out that I don't know the address that's being referred to and I don't
have it in my address book. I don't even use the address book that's
normally used by these viruses that send out copies of itself via e-mail.
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Gerard

ON Monday, November 22, 2004, 7:04:08 PM, you wrote:
W A great feature of TB3 is that TB can automatically send an email to the
W person who just sent an infected email to you.

WilWilWil,

It is a feature that you should not use. ALL viruses are now send from spoofed
addresses, meaning that the e-mail address used is not the account that the 
e-mail
originated from. I have received dozens of mails telling me I was sending out a
virus when in fact it was someone else with my address being spoofed.

Again, do not use this feature.

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread AC Martin
Hi WilWilWil
 On 22/11/2004 01:43 PM, you wrote:
I will automatically move infected mails in quarantine folder and 
have a look manually.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Look manually to do what? Hopefully not
to examine sender addresses and then ask the sender if it was really
them. If you see my address as sender, I'll admit from now that it
wasn't I who sent it so there would be no need to ask me about it. :)
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi WilWilWil,

on Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:04:08 +0100GMT, you wrote:

W I use a plugin that checking for viruses in incoming mails. Plugin is AVG 7.

W A great feature of TB3 is that TB can automatically send an
W email to the person who just sent an infected email to you.

As it was already pointed out, most viruses fake the From: address. So
it's no use to bother another victim. It has been said before, but I
want to add my vote, not to use auto-replies with viruses. Be happy
that your AV prog detects them and delete them. Nothing else to be
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Allie
Hi WilWilWil,
 On 22/11/2004 2:18 PM, you wrote:
I will not just have a look at sender name, but I will have a look on
 subject and text. I'm not sure I want to kill an infected mail 
without any control. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm afraid with the idea to 
lose an important mail just because a virus was in it.
Not to worry. I don't delete infected mail either. I usually check them
first for the same reason you have. Not so much that the sender may have
sent an infected attachment with their legitimate mail, but for the
occasional false positive that may occur. I don't know if you recall,
but there was a time when the TB! executable was being caught by a
couple anti-virus agent as being a virus!!
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   On 22/11/2004 01:43 PM, you wrote:

 I will automatically move infected mails in quarantine folder and
 have a look manually.

 I'm not sure what you mean here. Look manually to do what? Hopefully not
 to examine sender addresses and then ask the sender if it was really
 them. If you see my address as sender, I'll admit from now that it
 wasn't I who sent it so there would be no need to ask me about it. :)

Does someone notice that if an address book is stolen that only the
address itself (the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] , without any name(s) in front of
it) is used for resending SPAM? So, if a proper/full addressing is
accepted as a standard rule, eg. Pera Peric [EMAIL PROTECTED], then a much
better filtering might be applied against SPAM. Eg, if you receive a
message with a FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the chances are I didn't send
it, because I would send it as Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED].

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2004-11-22, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
 Does someone notice that if an address book is stolen that only the
 address itself (the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] , without any name(s) in front of
 it) is used for resending SPAM? So, if a proper/full addressing is
 accepted as a standard rule, eg. Pera Peric [EMAIL PROTECTED], then a much
 better filtering might be applied against SPAM. Eg, if you receive a
 message with a FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the chances are I didn't send
 it, because I would send it as Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Please note that most of the over 100 spam messages I get per day
have something like:

   From: Rolex Watches [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

so one would need to match the phrase in front of the email
address exactly to the correct person in order to to use this
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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread AC Martin
Hi WilWilWil,
 On 22/11/2004 5:25 PM, you wrote:
Another strange thing append often with my sent my mails : I send
mails to friends and their system fight them as an attacks.
Especially by Norton !  :-( Is this because of a special format of
mails written by TB ? They add my address in their white list but
mails are fight again...
I don't know what would do that. shrug
Does the same thing happen when you send your messages with a different 
client?

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 22 Nov 2004,
   @  @  at 14:01:37 -0800, when Bill McQuillan wrote:

 On Mon, 2004-11-22, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

True.

 Does someone notice that if an address book is stolen that only the
 address itself (the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] , without any name(s) in front of
 it) is used for resending SPAM? So, if a proper/full addressing is
 accepted as a standard rule, eg. Pera Peric [EMAIL PROTECTED], then a 
 much
 better filtering might be applied against SPAM. Eg, if you receive a
 message with a FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the chances are I didn't send
 it, because I would send it as Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED].

 Please note that most of the over 100 spam messages I get per day
 have something like:

From: Rolex Watches [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 so one would need to match the phrase in front of the email
 address exactly to the correct person in order to to use this
 sort of test.

OK, could be I was not clear enough. I'll re-say this this way: If you
accept only

1) the mail addressed to you completely, as TO: Bill McQuillan
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and

2) the mail addressed to you only by e-mail address, as TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
, where this one is linked to a filter related to a defined list,
newsletter and similar you are subscribed to...

...then you will not receive any other mail. (: *That* sort of beauty I
had in mind. Namely to define rather what you *accept* than what you do
not. (-: All the rest you could set a filter on to cooly delete from
server. Con eleganza. And, con anima. (-:

Like this:

BeginFilter
Name: KillerFilter
Active: 1
Source: \\accountname\Inbox
Target: \\accountname\Inbox
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MainSet: Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MainSet: Reply-To: tbudl@
MainSet: Reply-To: tbtech@
MainSet: Reply-To: tbot@
Actions: fkoDetectHeader
AddGroups:
DelGroups:
ForwardTemplate:
ConfirmTemplate:
ReplyTemplate:
FwdAddr:
RedirectAddr:
NewAddr:
NewTemplate:
ExtCmd:
ExtFile:
ExtractDir:
ColourGroup: default
AddAddrItems:
DelAddrItems:
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: default
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups:
NoAddrGroups:
KillFile:
KillMethod: 2
SaveTemplate:
SndFile:
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

Does that make a more sense now? (-:

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