Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Andrey & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Wednesday, January 10, 2001,  you stated regarding moving folder
locations:

AGSAA> Sounds like that the whole thread could be squeezed to one sentence: RIT
AGSAA> Labs, please (please!) provide the adequate documentation on this
AGSAA> subject!

It probably is there, but I've come to rely on TBUDL and this time
the results were not optimum. The solution is there, IAC.

All I need to do is which folders have the same names (in different
places - nothing was totally eliminated, although some were
recovered from the recycle bin), and try out different combinations
of the files that have to be there in a dummy account, moving ALL the
messages that turn up from all combinations to yet another new
folder, and then killing dupes. Simple.

Douglas

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Re: Cookies (Was: Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting)

[Mark Aston]

Hi Andrey,

Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 6:46:24 AM, you wrote:

MA>> Thanks, unfortunately that was the one file which got corrupted when I
MA>> did  a  CD  backup.  Windows  reports  an  "Error  performing  inpage
MA>> operation" whatever that is.

> Try to restore this file from the probably faulty CD under MS-DOS (or
> so-called WinDOS) with ah appropriate support for your CD-ROM drive
> (driver file an mscdex.exe loaded).

No proper DOS here as I'm using Win2k  but I will try under Linux.


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 6:41:11 AM, Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



DH> After a number of outstanding Batnicks discussed ways to move
DH> account folders some time ago (using Commander, Explorer and other
DH> ways), I assumed that this was indeed what had to be done, even
DH> though I HAD used the other method previously (one forgets).

Sounds like that the whole thread could be squeezed to one sentence: RIT
Labs, please (please!) provide the adequate documentation on this
subject!


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Cookies (Was: Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting)

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 9:19:31 PM, Mark Aston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> does you know which file TB! stores cookie lines?

>> In account.cfg .

MA> Thanks, unfortunately that was the one file which got corrupted when I
MA> did  a  CD  backup.  Windows  reports  an  "Error  performing  inpage
MA> operation" whatever that is.

Try to restore this file from the probably faulty CD under MS-DOS (or
so-called WinDOS) with ah appropriate support for your CD-ROM drive
(driver file an mscdex.exe loaded).


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:58:16 +0800, Thomas graced us with these
comments:

ACM>> The one time I had problems moving my account folders was when I
ACM>> tried doing it as you describe. I lost *all* my templates which
ACM>> were folder based and painstakingly created.

TF> I used the method Ming-Li described, but I did one thing before I
TF> changed the "Home Directory": copy the whole subdirectory tree
TF> under that account to the new desired directory. Hit the old
TF> crtl-shft-alt-L. Voila.

Exactly. When I had done this, the CTRL+Shift+Alt+L shortcut was
unknown. :=( I recreated each folder to get back the folders. No
templates were in them.

Apparently you don't need to copy anything over and that TB! will do
this. Just browse to the new location and hit OK. The account will be
moved to the new directory and the old directory deleted. I juts tried
it and this is true. :=)

I've been living in ignorance all this time. :=) It's great that it's
this simple.

TF> I don't remember whether the account.* files where overwritten in
TF> the new directory when I changed the "Hone Directory", maybe so; I
TF> think I copied these again from the origianl location to the new
TF> one.

Yes, you had told me this.

TF> I am sure you had backups, too. ;-)

At the time no. For some time, I've automated the regular creation of
RAR archives of *everything* TB!.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Allie,

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:37:23 -0500GMT (10/01/2001, 06:37 +0800GMT),
A . Curtis Martin wrote:

ML>> I do use regedit, a lot. But it seems unnecessary in this case. Or
ML>> am I missing something?

ACM> The one time I had problems moving my account folders was when I tried
ACM> doing it as you describe. I lost *all* my templates which were folder
ACM> based and painstakingly created.

I used the method Ming-Li described, but I did one thing before I
changed the "Home Directory": copy the whole subdirectory tree under
that account to the new desired directory. Hit the old
crtl-shft-alt-L. Voila.

I don't remember whether the account.* files where overwritten in the
new directory when I changed the "Hone Directory", maybe so; I think I
copied these again from the origianl location to the new one.

I am sure you had backups, too. ;-)

ACM> - From Douglas' experience of folders disappearing and databases being
ACM> apparently 'corrupted' when moving account folders, it would seem that
ACM> things are still not quite OK in that respect.

The database was probably currupted for some otehr reasons. However, I
would prefere Ming-Li's method over fiddling with the registry, too.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie Curtis. & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001,  you replied to Ming Lee:

ML>> ... Go to "Account properties | Files and directories", hit the
ML>> Browse button for the "Home directory", choose the new home
ML>> directory (and you may create a new one there, too), and you're
ML>> done.

ACM> The one time I had problems moving my account folders was when I tried
ACM> doing it as you describe. I lost *all* my templates which were folder
ACM> based and painstakingly created. I've been using TB! for a very long
ACM> time. I don't know if things have improved since then and moving
ACM> account folders have become more user friendly.

ACM> - From Douglas' experience of folders disappearing and databases being
ACM> apparently 'corrupted' when moving account folders, it would seem that
ACM> things are still not quite OK in that respect.

It's hard to say what caused my problem, since I did BOTH operations
which greatly complicated making an accurate evaluation of the
results.

After a number of outstanding Batnicks discussed ways to move
account folders some time ago (using Commander, Explorer and other
ways), I assumed that this was indeed what had to be done, even
though I HAD used the other method previously (one forgets).

So first I copied the messages to the new location, then let TB know
where I wanted the account to rest by changing the default in the
accounts priorities and found that I would up with duplicate data.

Since this was contrary to my purpose (saving disk space), I tried
corrective matters but found it difficult to determine which
versions were best. Some of the folders seem to be back to normal,
while others aren't yet. I do believe that filters WERE lost,
however.

None of this would have happened had I "compressed all folders"
first.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:46:12 -0600, Douglas contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

ACM>> How do you normally move an entire accounts mail folder from one
ACM>> location to another?

DH> You don't. When you change the location in the account's properties,
DH> TB! does this for you (and TELLS you that there are already files in
DH> the location, asking whether to proceed or not).
 [..rest snipped..]

Believe it or not, I've never moved an account that way. The thought
that TB! would proceed to move everything to the new location never
popped in my mind.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:12:30 -0800, Ming-Li graced us with these
comments:


ML> [procedure snipped]

ML> I don't really understand why you have to go that route. Go to
ML> "Account properties | Files and directories", hit the Browse button
ML> for the "Home directory", choose the new home directory (and you may
ML> create a new one there, too), and you're done. No need to fire up
ML> Regedit (it scares some users), and it avoids the risk of mistyping
ML> or any other mishaps when editing the registry.

ML> I do use regedit, a lot. But it seems unnecessary in this case. Or
ML> am I missing something?

The one time I had problems moving my account folders was when I tried
doing it as you describe. I lost *all* my templates which were folder
based and painstakingly created. I've been using TB! for a very long
time. I don't know if things have improved since then and moving
account folders have become more user friendly.

- From Douglas' experience of folders disappearing and databases being
apparently 'corrupted' when moving account folders, it would seem that
things are still not quite OK in that respect.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

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Hello Thomas!

On Monday, January 08, 2001 at 7:09:15 AM you wrote:

> I don't think these folders matter; I have never had an unread message
> in the Outbox or Sent folders, and for those in the Trash, the filter
> that moved them also marked them as read. ;-)

They do, I filter my own messages to this list into the Trash
immediately after getting them, so they end up as unread in it.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Mark & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001, you stated regarding my comment:

>>  Others were more important but my
>> answers include the heart, guts and bones of the original. (I can't
>> resist doing that).

MA> While  we're on guts and bones, does you know which file TB! stores
MA> cookie lines?

Allie Curtis is the doctor but if you mean alt+A+P / Templates /
Cookies, yes.

However, I doubt that this is what you've asked me. If I'm right,
there are others here more apt for that hex code type of thing.

OTOH, if you just wanted to place some the above will do it, just be
careful to clean up the crumbs.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Mark Aston]

Hi Karin,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 5:48:19 PM, you wrote:

>> does you know which file TB! stores cookie lines?

> In account.cfg .


Thanks, unfortunately that was the one file which got corrupted when I
did  a  CD  backup.  Windows  reports  an  "Error  performing  inpage
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 09-01-2001 at 18:02, Mark Aston kindly wrote:

> does you know which file TB! stores cookie lines?

In account.cfg .


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Mark Aston]

Hi Douglas,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 4:46:12 PM, you wrote:

>  Others were more important but my
> answers include the heart, guts and bones of the original. (I can't
> resist doing that).

While  we're on guts and bones, does you know which file TB! stores
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Ming-Li & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001,  you stated regarding :

ML> Go to "Account properties | Files and directories", hit the
ML> Browse button for the "Home directory", choose the new home
ML> directory (and you may create a new one there, too), and you're
ML> done

ML> I do use regedit, a lot. But it seems unnecessary in this case.
ML> Or am I missing something?

No.

DH

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello A. & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001,  you asked:

ACM> How do you normally move an entire accounts mail folder from one
ACM> location to another?

You don't. When you change the location in the account's properties,
TB! does this for you (and TELLS you that there are already files in
the location, asking whether to proceed or not). That was the
problem. I wound up with extra files on a disk w/ limited space.
This also confused TB! (and Douglas, as to which is which. Some are
newer yet smaller than others). At least I have more disk space
after compressing (eliminating messages deleted only from sight, not
the folder).

Are we reversing roles here? (Just don't as for a cholecstectomy, as
it would be my first try at one).

ACM> A solid way of doing this without problems involves the registry.

ACM> a) Close TB!, move the accounts folder to the desired location.

ACM> b) Fire up the registry editor, and go to:

ACM> HKCU/Software/rit/The Bat!/Users Depot

ACM> You'll see all your account names and their paths entered as values.

ACM> Correct the relevant value to reflect the new location of the account
ACM> folder.

ACM> c) Restart TB!.

ACM> This works without fail for me.

That's the same old Allie, back deep into the entrails of TB! The
problem however is the above - there are now copies with differing
data. some messages came in later, when fewer messages were known to
TB!. So some messages may be lost either way. (Most were from 2
lists w/ archives, however. Others were more important but my
answers include the heart, guts and bones of the original. (I can't
resist doing that).

Douglas


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Ming-Li]

On Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 3:20:37 AM, A. wrote:

> How do you normally move an entire accounts mail folder from one
> location to another?

> A solid way of doing this without problems involves the registry.

[procedure snipped]

I don't really understand why you have to go that route. Go to
"Account properties | Files and directories", hit the Browse button
for the "Home directory", choose the new home directory (and you may
create a new one there, too), and you're done. No need to fire up
Regedit (it scares some users), and it avoids the risk of mistyping
or any other mishaps when editing the registry.

I do use regedit, a lot. But it seems unnecessary in this case. Or
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

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On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:44:43 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote these
comments:
 [.]
DH> The bad part is that for lack of space I moved an account's mail
DH> to C:\ and seem to have lost or corrupted the data base. But I'll
DH> work on that later.

How do you normally move an entire accounts mail folder from one
location to another?

A solid way of doing this without problems involves the registry.

a) Close TB!, move the accounts folder to the desired location.

b) Fire up the registry editor, and go to:

HKCU/Software/rit/The Bat!/Users Depot

You'll see all your account names and their paths entered as values.

Correct the relevant value to reflect the new location of the account
folder.

c) Restart TB!.

This works without fail for me.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Douglas,

On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 00:48:23 -0600 GMT (09/01/2001, 14:48 +0800 GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

Douglas> You are recommending the full file? 
ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe

Yes.

Douglas> OK. It's a bigger file (but rar is more highly compressed (in the
Douglas> compression scheme rather than databased sense), posted the same day
Douglas> and downloading twice as fast.

The full install is rar-packed as well, but as a self-extracting exe.
It is bigger because it contains more files that just thebat.exe, as I
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001,  you stated regarding my saying:


Douglas>> All I see is the executable, so I'll have to install v.
Douglas>> 1.48 first and then swap the .exe

TF> No, if you download the exe from the official site (not beta), then it
TF> is the full install.

This is what I got: http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb149.rar

I had already downloaded: ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/tb148f.rar

You are recommending the full file? ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe

OK. It's a bigger file (but rar is more highly compressed (in the
compression scheme rather than databased sense), posted the same day
and downloading twice as fast.

TF> Better to use the full install whenever a new
TF> release comes out, there is always some update on other files -
TF> including the help file, and, as we have just seen, XLAT tables.

I'll have to read that thread.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001, you stated regarding the difference
between compressing and purging, as well as the difference between
compressing and compressing:

TF> Purging is marking "old" messages or messages "over the limit" (in
TF> terms of number of messages) as "deleted" in the message base, but
TF> leaving them in the base.

None of those around here, so that's a wasted option in this case.

KS>>> ... Compression within TB has nothing to do with the
KS>>> algorithms used for compression when using a back-up
KS>>> program.

Douglas>> That is because Compression within TB has nothing to do with
Douglas>> compression.

TF> Correct. Compression in TB has nothing to do with compression in
TF> so-called "packers", like WinZip or WinRAR.

Karin says that in that context of databases, compressing has the
meaning I attributed to Moldovian English (Better than my Moldovian,
IAC) .

TF> It is like the PACK command in DBase or Clipper programming, which of
TF> course has nothing to do with the a.m. packers.

TF> Confused yet?

Nada de eso. It's context related, like anything else.

KS>>> Nope. You must have misunderstood the idea behind
KS>>> compression.

Douglas>> You are referring to Moldavian compression. I am referring to
Douglas>> compression compression (i.e Doublespace or similar bogeymen).

TF> I am not sure this meaning of the word "compression" is used only on
TF> Moldavia. But I am sorry to see that you are not confused anymore and
TF> have gotten to the bottom of the meaning. ;-)

What I mean is that TBUDL is TB!'s help file. Language is like that.
Between the whole Bat gang, things take form.

TF> So, and while the Purge command does not actually purge, it is very
TF> important that you set time limits or number-of-message limits in
TF> every folder (and that includes Inbox/Outbox/Sent/Trash!) and
TF> Purge&Compress All Folders (wrongly named Purge All folders)
TF> regularly. Otherwise you will be buying a new HD every half year.

My criteria for deleting isn't time or message number linked. Every
time I buy another hard disk, it's at least double the last one and
costs half as much, so I figure I can hack it.

TF> Oh, you could set "On Exit" for all folders. Then it would go
TF> automatically whenever you close TB. However, since you hardly close
TF> TB, it would bnot help you so much; for me, it took several minutes
TF> (up to 15, actually) upon closing TB every evening in the office, so I
TF> prefer doing it manually and not when I'm in a hurry to leave the
TF> office.

That's understood. It would be good if that could be time linked,
like a virus scan or backup is scheduled, automatically. (I'll bet I
have programs capable of launching a macro that does this w/ TB!, or
I could set up an repeating reminder in a PIM and do it manually now
and then.

Douglas.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Andrey & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding why I ran out of
disk space:

DH>> I started to compress and rapidly cleared 20 additional mb, at which
DH>> point I ran out of space in C:\. I closed other programs and will
DH>> begin again. It's going to take quite a while, but the regained
DH>> space will keep me going for a while, and till the new hard drive
DH>> arrives.

AGSAA> Maybe it's time to empty your %Temp% directory. Assuming you have
AGSAA> something like "Set Temp=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP" in your autoexec.bat you'll
AGSAA> have to close all open applications including ones showing only in the
AGSAA> systray, open %Temp% in your favourite file manager (don't forget to
AGSAA> switch on hidden and system file views) and delete everything that looks
AGSAA> like temporary not yours :-).

Thanks for the tip. Additionally, I had stored things in C:\ from
other partitions that were fuller like I:\, where TN! is. So I
already have triple what I did a bit ago. (The virtual memory is set
for E:\, which I have to leave w/ more free space.

Of the things that are taking up the most space in C:\'s temporary
directories, are pft~tmp (w/ DrWeb stuff) - almost 6 mb & TheBat!
Setup w/ 2.25 mb. I also run finds on tmp files and compress
(rather, delete - really delete) them.

The v. 1.49 executable finished downloading.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Douglas,

On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:44:43 -0600 GMT (09/01/2001, 13:44 +0800 GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

Douglas> I guess that means I can download v. 1.49 now. All I see is the
Douglas> executable, so I'll have to install v. 1.48 first and then swap the
Douglas> .exe

No, if you download the exe from the official site (not beta), then it
is the full install. Better to use the full install whenever a new
release comes out, there is always some update on other files -
including the help file, and, as we have just seen, XLAT tables.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Douglas,

On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:51:05 -0600 GMT (09/01/2001, 11:51 +0800 GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

Douglas> I am going compress all, but hope to determine what purging does, if
Douglas> compress is actually purge deleted messages.

Purging is marking "old" messages or messages "over the limit" (in
terms of number of messages) as "deleted" in the message base, but
leaving them in the base.

KS>> Not true. Compression within TB has nothing to do with the
KS>> algorithms used for compression when using a back-up
KS>> program.

Douglas> That is because Compression within TB has nothing to do with
Douglas> compression.

Correct. Compression in TB has nothing to do with compression in
so-called "packers", like WinZip or WinRAR.

It is like the PACK command in DBase or Clipper programming, which of
course has nothing to do with the a.m. packers.

Confused yet?

KS>> Nope. You must have misunderstood the idea behind
KS>> compression.

Douglas> You are referring to Moldavian compression. I am referring to
Douglas> compression compression (i.e Doublespace or similar bogeymen).

I am not sure this meaning of the word "compression" is used only on
Moldavia. But I am sorry to see that you are not confused anymore and
have gotten to the bottom of the meaning. ;-)

So, and while the Purge command does not actually purge, it is very
important that you set time limits or number-of-message limits in
every folder (and that includes Inbox/Outbox/Sent/Trash!) and
Purge&Compress All Folders (wrongly named Purge All folders)
regularly. Otherwise you will be buying a new HD every half year.

Oh, you could set "On Exit" for all folders. Then it would go
automatically whenever you close TB. However, since you hardly close
TB, it would bnot help you so much; for me, it took several minutes
(up to 15, actually) upon closing TB every evening in the office, so I
prefer doing it manually and not when I'm in a hurry to leave the
office.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you expressed the opinion that:

KS> That means that mail generally moves out of your inbox. If
KS> you've never compressed that, there's a helluva lot of diskspace
KS> to gain.

The only folder that had compression integrated was precisely TB!'s
incoming folder (w/ subdirectories for each month since the end of
'99 that weren't compressed).

The second time around TB! told me it had compressed 258 folders and
cleared another 138,873,343 bytes. All told it cleared over 150 mb
just on the I:\ partition, and at least another 15 in D:\ (I farmed
out a couple accounts mail to it).

I guess that means I can download v. 1.49 now. All I see is the
executable, so I'll have to install v. 1.48 first and then swap the
.exe

The bad part is that for lack of space I moved an account's mail to
C:\ and seem to have lost or corrupted the data base. But I'll work
on that later. The size of it is about right, so there's probably
more than can be done. Anything important was answered with an
autobcc to my autobcc reception account.

I had made the error of copying the tree to the place I wanted it
before changing locations in the account properties, which of course
duplicated  it there, so I  undid that and moved the copied files to
a different folder, and there they lost their info regarding where
they had come from. The only way to learn.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 7:13:50 AM, Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



DH> I started to compress and rapidly cleared 20 additional mb, at which
DH> point I ran out of space in C:\. I closed other programs and will
DH> begin again. It's going to take quite a while, but the regained
DH> space will keep me going for a while, and till the new hard drive
DH> arrives.

Maybe it's time to empty your %Temp% directory. Assuming you have
something like "Set Temp=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP" in your autoexec.bat you'll
have to close all open applications including ones showing only in the
systray, open %Temp% in your favourite file manager (don't forget to
switch on hidden and system file views) and delete everything that looks
like temporary not yours :-).


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Januk & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding :

JA> On  Mon, 08 Jan 2001  at  21:36:06 GMT -0600 (which was 7:36 PM where
JA> I live) witnesses say Douglas Hinds typed:

JA> When compressing, TB removes the messages marked as deleted, thus
JA> reducing the size of the message base.  Smaller size == compressed.
JA> Think about squeezing a sponge.

That was understood. As Karin mentioned, it's database compression.

JA> Purge: eliminate "unwanted" or "excess" messages.  These are defined
JA> by time limits and maximum message counts on a per folder basis.

Bam! So I don't need to purge, just compress, given that I set no
limits on either time limits or maximum message counts. Purging
would be meaningless. I started to compress and rapidly cleared 20
additional mb, at which point I ran out of space in C:\. I closed
other programs and will begin again. It's going to take quite a
while, but the regained space will keep me going for a while, and
till the new hard drive arrives.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Douglas,

DH = Douglas Hinds 

On  Mon, 08 Jan 2001  at  21:36:06 GMT -0600 (which was 7:36 PM where
I live) witnesses say Douglas Hinds typed:



DH> So if compressing is really purging, then what is purging?

Well, you're more likely to confuse yourself this way.  Both Compress
and Purge are vague terms.  It comes down to a case of forcing
yourself to learn the TB terminology and how it applies here.

When compressing, TB removes the messages marked as deleted, thus
reducing the size of the message base.  Smaller size == compressed.
Think about squeezing a sponge.

Purge: eliminate "unwanted" or "excess" messages.  These are defined
by time limits and maximum message counts on a per folder basis.

DH> what does "purge all" do that "compress all" doesn't, assuming
DH> that NO time limits have been put on messages in any folder?

If you have maximum number of message limits on any of your folders,
these will be enforced in a Purge operation.

Likewise, Time limits are executed when a purge operation takes place.

Compress tidies up the place afterwards.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 09-01-2001 at 04:36, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:

> In the Moldavian version of the word compress, no compression
> occurs. What does happen is that "deleted" messages ARE deleted (w/o
> the quotes. AIFAIK, this is equivalent to the American English word
> PURGE (purging "deleted" messages, in this case, so that they become
> simply truly deleted messages. So if compressing is really purging, then
> what is purging?

Read my explanation about databases and their indices:

Think of your actual mail-in-a-folder as residing in a
database. What you see when you look at a folder is just the
*index* (the list of headers). When a message is deleted, it
disapperas from the index - but it still resides in the
database, as the option "browse deleted messages" proves. In
order to get really rid of deleted messages, you need to
compress - which is basically rebuilding the database using
the index as the criterium.

(And yes, compressing and purging is the same in TB, as has
been explaioned before.)


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding :


KS> On 09-01-2001 at 03:07, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:

>> I don't compress because compression can cause data loss
>> ...

KS> Only with bad mail programs. Do compress. Especially your
KS> inbox must have an enourmous size by now.

I am going compress all, but hope to determine what purging does, if
compress is actually purge deleted messages.

>> and the algorithms are proprietary, so that something
>> saved using one tape drive (for instance), can't be
>> recovered using the same tape on another maker's drive
>> unless it's NOT compressed.

KS> Not true. Compression within TB has nothing to do with the
KS> algorithms used for compression when using a back-up
KS> program.

That is because Compression within TB has nothing to do with
compression.

>> And as I understood it, compression occurs when closing
>> TB! (which I rarely do),

KS> That depends on your settings. You can define for each and
KS> every folder whether it should compress on exit - and for
KS> folders that are being used for archive purposes, setting
KS> them thusly is rather useless.

>> only to expand again on reopening it.

KS> Nope. You must have misunderstood the idea behind
KS> compression.

You are referring to Moldavian compression. I am referring to
compression compression (i.e Doublespace or similar bogeymen).

KS> TB doesn't 're-inflate' your mailboxes to a
KS> readable format upon re-opening.

That doesn't happen w/ Moldavian compression.

>> Language means no more than the way you use it (although
>> that sounds like something out of Alice in Wonderland).

KS> Alice had this nice habit of asking ;-)

For the time? (in support of the rabbit, who was running late).

Douglas



Best regards,


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Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural,
Asociacion Civil
(Center for Rural and Community Development,
a non-profit organization)
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Mail: Apdo. Postal No. 171
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001, you also provided clear answers to most
issues, except:

>> 2).- Does this include the dupes are are killed?

KS> Dupes somehow disappear immediately.

>> 4).- That wouldn't work for a folder that disappeared then (or would
>>  it)? (Which happened recently, as mentioned earlier). Since you
>>  must be IN the folder for the command to take effect

KS> Depending on how folders are deleted (there are three
KS> options: move messages to thrash, wipe message (data)base,
KS> leave message file (data)base intact.

There is a fourth option: Folders that somehow disappear
immediately.

KS> Yet once the folder itself is gone, you can't peruse it. That
KS> means that you also can't check for deleted messages.

No. Unless the folder somehow reappears.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Andrey & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001, you answered clearly all the questions
asked except the following:

DH>> 5).- Would someone briefly define whether "purge all" is purge
DH>> AND compress?

AGSAA> It is "purge and compress"...

In the Moldavian version of the word compress, no compression
occurs. What does happen is that "deleted" messages ARE deleted (w/o
the quotes. AIFAIK, this is equivalent to the American English word
PURGE (purging "deleted" messages, in this case, so that they become
simply truly deleted messages. So if compressing is really purging, then
what is purging? IOW, what does "purge all" do that "compress all"
doesn't, assuming that NO time limits have been put on messages in
any folder?

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 09-01-2001 at 03:06, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:
> Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

>>> it [would] do me any good to compress if TB! is nearly always
>>> open? (I even use it for certain word processing tasks), and
>>> don't tend to eliminate messages except manually or via spam
>>> filters

KS>> Most probably: yes. Because everything goes to your inbox
KS>> first and will be filtered or manually moved to seperate
KS>> folders (unless you keep everything in your inbox).

> Whoa! When are folders compressed? When TB! is closed or when the
> folder is left for another?

De[pends on your folder settings.

> Re where my mail goes: Lists and regular things are filtered to
> their own folders, occasional things stay in the inbox unless copied
> or moved to specific issue oriented folders. So all my recent
> inboxes are kept free of unread messages and any spam getting
> through is killed there.

That means that mail generally moves out of your inbox. If
you've never compressed that, there's a helluva lot of diskspace
to gain.

> I'd better repeat: When are folders compressed? When TB! is closed
> or when the folder is left for another?

On two occasions:

- When you exit (*if* you have defined the filder to do so;
check under Folder --> Properties to reassure yourself), or
- when you manually demand a compression (by selecting
folder --> purge and compress).

> Or does compression have
> novel meaning here (like deleting deleted messages)?

That's hardly novel. That's the standard use for compression
in databases - which is basically what mail boxes are.



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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 5:07:42 AM, Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

TF>> ... deleted messages only get a "deleted flag" and are not taken
TF>> out of the message base, so it grows and grows. Only Compressing
TF>> would actually do the clean-up.

DH> 1).- You are saying that deleted messages are NEVER deleted unless
DH>  this is done?

Yes, they aren't _really_ deleted. Anyone can use file manager capable
to view binary files properly and take a look at some small messages.tbb
file directly to become convinced with this fact.

DH> (I'd never noticed the Folder / Browse Deleted Messages option).

According to the readme.txt file included with TB! this command have
been introduced in 1.42 - the version you're actually using.

DH> 2).- Does this include the dupes are are killed?

No.

DH> 3).- This is true whether done at the folder property level or
DH>  (manually via) the folder menu level?

The option Compress the Folder is in On Exit block so it is activated
actually when TB! is in shutdown phase.

DH> 4).- That wouldn't work for a folder that disappeared then (or would
DH>  it)? (Which happened recently, as mentioned earlier).

No.

DH>  Since you must be IN the folder for the command to take effect

Yes.

DH> 5).- Would someone briefly define whether "purge all" is purge AND
DH>  compress?

It is "purge and compress", IIRC. The corresponding menu command is in
a slight error.

DH>  Or does purge only relate to time limited folders?

If you've set time-to-live for some folders, yes. If you're using Purge
All command then, um, no :-)


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 09-01-2001 at 03:07, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:

> I don't compress because compression can cause data loss
> ...

Only with bad mail programs. Do compress. Especially your
inbox must have an enourmous size by now.

> and the algorithms are proprietary, so that something
> saved using one tape drive (for instance), can't be
> recovered using the same tape on another maker's drive
> unless it's NOT compressed.

Not true. Compression within TB has nothing to do with the
algorithms used for compression when using a back-up
program.

> And as I understood it, compression occurs when closing
> TB! (which I rarely do),

That depends on your settings. You can define for each and
every folder whether it should compress on exit - and for
folders that are being used for archive purposes, setting
them thusly is rather useless.

> only to expand again on reopening it.

Nope. You must have misunderstood the idea behind
compression. TB doesn't 're-inflate' your mailboxes to a
readable format upon re-opening.

> Language means no more than the way you use it (although
> that sounds like something out of Alice in Wonderland).

Alice had this nice habit of asking ;-)


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:07:57 -0600, Douglas wrote these words of
wisdom:

 [.]
DH> I don't compress because compression can cause data loss and the
DH> algorithms are proprietary,

Wow! Then you must have quite a bit of wasted space there then.

I have compression set on any folder from which messages are filtered
and from which messages are regularly deleted. The Inbox, Trash and
Outbox are therefore included. Once a message passes through the
folder, it's added to that folders message base and is not truly
deleted unless the folder is compressed. Only my archive folders are
not compressed because I only add mail to those folders.

I've been doing this since I installed TB! 2 years ago. No mail lost.
Same installation going.

BTW, AFAIK, you're not really *compressing* in the true sense of the
word. You're just deleting messages that aren't indexed (i.e., not
deleted). For instance, if I try to compress one of my archive
folders, an immediate message appears that no compression was done and
0 bytes were saved.

However, I just did a purge and compress on my Inbox folder which has
been empty since I last started TB! and recovered 688KB of space.

I just recovered 54KB of space from my outbox which is also empty.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 09-01-2001 at 03:07, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:
> Hello Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,

TF>> ... deleted messages only get a "deleted flag" and are not taken
TF>> out of the message base, so it grows and grows. Only Compressing
TF>> would actually do the clean-up.

> 1).- You are saying that deleted messages are NEVER deleted unless
>  this is done?

Yes. Think of your actual mail-in-a-folder as residing in a
database. What you see when you look at a folder is just the
*index*. When a message is deleted, it disapperas from the
index - but it still resides in the database, as the option
"browse deleted messages" proves. In order to get really rid
of deleted messages, you need to compress - which is
basically rebuiliding the database using the index as the
criterium.

> (I'd never noticed the Folder / Browse Deleted Messages option).

Try it on your inbox. You might be surprised ;-)

> 2).- Does this include the dupes are are killed?

Dupes somehow disappear immediately.

> 3).- This is true whether done at the folder property level or
>  (manually via) the folder menu level?

If you compress, you compress. If you compress a folder, you
compress a flder, and if you compress all, you compress all
folders.

> 4).- That wouldn't work for a folder that disappeared then (or would
>  it)? (Which happened recently, as mentioned earlier). Since you
>  must be IN the folder for the command to take effect

Depending on how folders are deleted (there are three
options: move messages to thrash, wipe message (data)base,
leave message file (data)base intact. Yet once the folder
itself is gone, you can't peruse it. That means that you
also can't check for deleted messages.


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

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DH> I'd better repeat: When are folders compressed? When TB! is closed
DH> or when the folder is left for another? Or does compression have
DH> novel meaning here (like deleting deleted messages)? It's all very
DH> logical once you know why, just surprising, as are many of the
DH> things most folks take for granted (if one knows what to focus on).

Folders are compressed when you exit TB! and only when you have
enabled the option to do so in each folders properties.

Otherwise, if you wish to compress folders, you have to do so
manually.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

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Hello Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding :

TF> ... deleted messages only get a "deleted flag" and are not taken
TF> out of the message base, so it grows and grows. Only Compressing
TF> would actually do the clean-up.

1).- You are saying that deleted messages are NEVER deleted unless
 this is done?
(I'd never noticed the Folder / Browse Deleted Messages option).

2).- Does this include the dupes are are killed?

3).- This is true whether done at the folder property level or
 (manually via) the folder menu level?

4).- That wouldn't work for a folder that disappeared then (or would
 it)? (Which happened recently, as mentioned earlier). Since you
 must be IN the folder for the command to take effect

5).- Would someone briefly define whether "purge all" is purge AND
 compress? Or does purge only relate to time limited folders?
 (I'm aware this has been defined earlier but don't recall
 precisely which).

Thanks in advance.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Jan & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding :

JR>   I don't understand how you use TB!.

For email.

JR> Of course this is none of my biz but "while thousands of
JR> messages in outboxes (saved drafts), sent and trash folders are
JR> counted" only involves 3 folders which is easily manageable.

In 17 accounts. One account alone has 101 folders and the next one
down has 45. Some have much fewer.

JR>   And I don't understand, are you operating an eMail server vs
JR>   TB! for personal use?

TB! IS an email server, but I don't use it that way.

JR> I thought I had a lot of traffic but gee whiz

The word is golly gee! The traffic is not really not that much.
maybe 200-300 a day. TBUDL is the largest list. But I have to
subscribe to some lists that I rarely read the mail from, so I can
post to them when needed (they're related to what I do, which you
already asked about, w/o answering my asking the same of you, as I
recall).

JR> Are you building an archive?

The archive is building itself as a result of what I use the
computer for: Communication & research, mainly.

JR> Do you delete or compress at all?

I delete some but unless a message is clearly spam (which does come
though on this account and the acnet.net accounts that blocked me
out for months and caused me to open a number of new ones, many of
which proved reliable), but otherwise, I can't delete what I haven't
read, all I can do is save it.

I don't compress because compression can cause data loss and the
algorithms are proprietary, so that something saved using one tape
drive (for instance), can't be recovered using the same tape on
another maker's drive unless it's NOT compressed. And as I
understood it, compression occurs when closing TB! (which I rarely
do), only to expand again on reopening it. I say that because when I
close TB! it goes through it's compression routine on the few
folders I have that option set for in properties

However, maybe compression in Moldovian (& therefore TBUDLian) means
something entirely different. Language means no more than the way
you use it (although that sounds like something out of Alice in
Wonderland).

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

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Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding whether or not:

>> it [would] do me any good to compress if TB! is nearly always
>> open? (I even use it for certain word processing tasks), and
>> don't tend to eliminate messages except manually or via spam
>> filters

KS> Most probably: yes. Because everything goes to your inbox
KS> first and will be filtered or manually moved to seperate
KS> folders (unless you keep everything in your inbox).

Whoa! When are folders compressed? When TB! is closed or when the
folder is left for another?

Re where my mail goes: Lists and regular things are filtered to
their own folders, occasional things stay in the inbox unless copied
or moved to specific issue oriented folders. So all my recent
inboxes are kept free of unread messages and any spam getting
through is killed there.

That way I can see at a glance whether anything new has come in,
without the ticker (by viewing the new column).

Some inboxes aren't filtered (no subdirectories have been made),
since I opened so many accounts that proved their worth when my long
time main account source (3 accounts) left Mexico and blocked
access, leaving no way to contact them (though I was finally able to
do so). I originally subscribed to TBUDL using one of those
accounts.

So I have one account that has nothing in the inbox and just one
subdirectory named "selfbcc" to which copies of some things I send
arrive. Another account's inbox receives the mainly the New York
Times headlines and so on. 17 accounts is a pretty fair number
(others were opened but didn't pan out). A good number have fairly
elaborate filing systems and one has an extremely elaborate one.
(101 folders). Enough anecdotal data.

I'd better repeat: When are folders compressed? When TB! is closed
or when the folder is left for another? Or does compression have
novel meaning here (like deleting deleted messages)? It's all very
logical once you know why, just surprising, as are many of the
things most folks take for granted (if one knows what to focus on).

DH

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 08-01-2001 at 17:31, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:

> Would it do me any good to compress if TB! is nearly always open? (I
> even use it for certain word processing tasks), and don't tend to
> eliminate messages except manually or via spam filters

Most probably: yes. Because everything goes to your inbox
first and will be filtered or manually moved to seperate
folders (unless you keep everything in your inbox).


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 08-01-2001 at 07:03, Thomas Fernandez kindly wrote:
> Douglas Hinds wrote:

KS>>> Do take notice that when you've been using 1.42 all along,
KS>>> the format of your mailboxes needs to change. You need to
KS>>> import them.

DH>> Again? That happened when upgrading from *TO* v. 1.42. Are you sure?

> You're right Douglas, Karin mixed this up. The message base formats in
> 1.42 and 1.49 are the same.

Oops. I'll keep my big mouth shut.


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Douglas,

On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:31:07 -0600 GMT (09/01/2001, 00:31 +0800 GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

DH> Would it do me any good to compress if TB! is nearly always open?

Yes, because that will rid the message base of the deleted messages.
You see, deleted messages only get a "deleted flag" and are not taken
out of the message base, so it grows and grows. Only Compressing would
actually do the clean-up.

That's several MB per day saved on my office PC. :-)

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated re:

DH>> ... The recent versions have a kill all dupes in all folders
DH>> command, I understand.

TF> Yes. They also have "Compress All Folders", and "Purge & Compress All
TF> Folders" (mistakenly only named "Purge All folders" - another
TF> annoyance that would take them two minutes to fix, but we have been
TF> begging for months).

Would it do me any good to compress if TB! is nearly always open? (I
even use it for certain word processing tasks), and don't tend to
eliminate messages except manually or via spam filters (mostly
address specific. On the account most spammed, I'm using the mail
dispatcher and killing there.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Jan & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Monday, January 08, 2001,  you stated regarding the Mail Ticker:

JR>   ... While "Hide" may not
JR>   solve the default MT settings on new folders, it does seem to
JR>   "Hide" the MT no matter what the folder default setting is.

The problem is waiting while thousands of messages in outboxes
(saved drafts), sent and trash folders are counted. TB! doesn't
respond until then. I doubt that this was changed in more recent
versions & in any case have no taken all folders off the ticker, for
now.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Douglas,

On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:54:29 -0600GMT (08/01/2001, 12:54 +0800GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

DH> They made it the default for the outbox, sent and trash folders
DH> also. Does that strike you as reasonable.

I don't think these folders matter; I have never had an unread message
in the Outbox or Sent folders, and for those in the Trash, the filter
that moved them also marked them as read. ;-)

DH> What strikes ME as reasonable is a way to for the user to set the
DH> default.

Yes; see my previous mail.

DH> My TB! folder and subfolders ALONE have 12,794 messages in them. If
DH> I read all the email that comes in, I'd never do anything else.

Oh, so we've been lucky these days. I actually read each and every
mail I receive; an average of 100-200 per day. Exceptions are when I
am offline for a week or so (business trip or vacation), then I don't
read the mailing lists (which would account for over 1000 messages).

DH> True. Also, I'd like to see a centralized manager for the ticker,
DH> filters, templates etc. The recent versions have a kill all dupes in
DH> all folders command, I understand.

Yes. They also have "Compress All Folders", and "Purge & Compress All
Folders" (mistakenly only named "Purge All folders" - another
annoyance that would take them two minutes to fix, but we have been
begging for months).

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Douglas,

On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:57:14 -0600GMT (08/01/2001, 12:57 +0800GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

KS>> Do take notice that when you've been using 1.42 all along,
KS>> the format of your mailboxes needs to change. You need to
KS>> import them.

DH> Again? That happened when upgrading from *TO* v. 1.42. Are you sure?

You're right Douglas, Karin mixed this up. The message base formats in
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Sunday, January 07, 2001,  you stated:

KS> Do take notice that when you've been using 1.42 all along,
KS> the format of your mailboxes needs to change. You need to
KS> import them.

Again? That happened when upgrading from *TO* v. 1.42. Are you sure?

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Sunday, January 07, 2001,  you stated:

TF> They had to choose some default, and since they are proud of the
TF> ticker (and rightly so), they have made "show" the default.

They made it the default for the outbox, sent and trash folders
also. Does that strike you as reasonable. What strikes ME as
reasonable is a way to for the user to set the default.

My TB! folder and subfolders ALONE have 12,794 messages in them. If
I read all the email that comes in, I'd never do anything else.

TF> There is no way in TB to change the defaults; I would also like to
TF> change the default for templates, as I am weary of adding %SingleRe to
TF> every Reply template when I create a new folder or account or
TF> whatever.

That's what I mean. It's a matter of convincing Stef and Max.

TF> "Make this the default" - that would be nice in many cases. ;-)

True. Also, I'd like to see a centralized manager for the ticker,
filters, templates etc. The recent versions have a kill all dupes in
all folders command, I understand.

So we're getting (and will get) there.

Douglas

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Karin Spaink]

On 08-01-2001 at 05:15, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:

AGSAA>> Maybe it's time to upgrade at least to a 1.48f? It can solve you
AGSAA>> mailticker problems like an accidental popups.

> Is that right? That's good to know.

Quite some bigs have been solved in the measwhile, and new
features have been added.

> I expect to upgrade after
> installing a new hard drive I ordered, which should arrive this week
> (Jan 8). v. 149 is now out I believe.

Do take notice that when you've been using 1.42 all along,
the format of your mailboxes needs to change. You need to
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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Andrey & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Sunday, January 07, 2001, you stated regarding a way to set NO
TICKER as the default folder setting:

AGSAA> Unfortunately no. I've checked registry for some keys which name could
AGSAA> help me in this task but failed...

DH>> Also, is there a way to really disable (rather than simply hide) it?

AGSAA> Why wouldn't you send an info request to [EMAIL PROTECTED]?

I should do that. Since all my folders are now set to not show
unread messages on the ticker, it won't be hard to hide again
though. The problem was the long wait, as TB! counted those
thousands of messages that I finally found today. Who would want the
trash and sent folders to show on his or her ticker?

AGSAA> Maybe it's time to upgrade at least to a 1.48f? It can solve you
AGSAA> mailticker problems like an accidental popups.

Is that right? That's good to know. I expect to upgrade after
installing a new hard drive I ordered, which should arrive this week
(Jan 8). v. 149 is now out I believe.


DH

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Douglas,

On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:46:26 -0600GMT (08/01/2001, 08:46 +0800GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

JR>>   Isn't that what options -> Mail Ticker -> Hide is all about?

DH> In a word, no.

DH> That's how mine has always been. Set yours that way, then create a
DH> new folder and look at the default.

They had to choose some default, and since they are proud of the
ticker (and rightly so), they have made "show" the default.

There is no way in TB to change the defaults; I would also like to
change the default for templates, as I am weary of adding %SingleRe to
every Reply template when I create a new folder or account or
whatever.

"Make this the default" - that would be nice in many cases. ;-)

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 4:36:21 AM, Jan Rifkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

JR>   JR>   Isn't that what options -> Mail Ticker -> Hide is all about?
  
Andrey>> it just hides the ticker out of your screen.

JR>   Yes that's true, but, as a practical matter, it does solve the
JR>   problem doesn't it? Douglas didn't want to see the ticker &
JR>   instead of changing all the folder options, he could have done
JR>   it the one step listed above. Or am I missing something?

Please take a look at Douglas' initial message - there are some
complaints here about MT popping out accidentally and comparable
weirdness.


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Jan & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Sunday, January 07, 2001, you stated regarding whether there is a way
to set NO TICKER as the default folder setting.

JR>   Isn't that what options -> Mail Ticker -> Hide is all about?

In a word, no.

That's how mine has always been. Set yours that way, then create a
new folder and look at the default.

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 3:12:13 AM, Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DH> And THAT Bat! folk, is the reason for this post: IS there a way to
DH> set NO TICKER as the default folder setting?

Unfortunately no. I've checked registry for some keys which name could
help me in this task but failed...

DH> Also, is there a way to really disable (rather than simply hide) it?

Why wouldn't you send an info request to [EMAIL PROTECTED]?


JFYI:

DH> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42) Personal

Maybe it's time to upgrade at least to a 1.48f? It can solve you
mailticker problems like an accidental popups.


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 3:37:47 AM, Jan Rifkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Douglas>> [...] IS there a way to set NO TICKER as the default
Douglas>> folder setting? [...]

JR>   Isn't that what options -> Mail Ticker -> Hide is all about?

No, it just hides the ticker out of your screen.


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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[George F. Schoelles]

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Hello Douglas,

Sunday, January 07, 2001, 4:12:13 PM, you wrote:

DH> And THAT Bat! folk, is the reason for this post: IS there a way to
DH> set NO TICKER as the default folder setting?

I've  right  clicked  on  the  ticker and chose _Hide_. But I may have
missed something else...

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Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Douglas,

  On Sunday, January 07, 2001 18:12:13 -0600 you wrote the
  following in regards to "NO Ticker as default folder setting":

Douglas> [...] IS there a way to set NO TICKER as the default
Douglas> folder setting? [...]

  Isn't that what options -> Mail Ticker -> Hide is all about?

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