Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Morning Syafril Hermansyah, No, no problem here. Look I am sending this message to List and to you separate by comma not semicolon. Weird, whenever I add somebody to a recipient list, TB definitely puts a semicolon in between. Of course I could put in a comma when adding addresses manually, but I wouldn't know why our versions are different in this respect... anybody else for trying it out? -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hello Jast, On Thursday, February 03, 2000 at 13:46:57 GMT +0100 (which was 03/02/2000 19:46 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: No, no problem here. Look I am sending this message to List and to you separate by comma not semicolon. J Weird, whenever I add somebody to a recipient list, TB definitely puts a J semicolon in between. You mean get the address from address book ? Yes, in mine too. J Of course I could put in a comma when adding addresses manually, I put it manually, in the past it always give me "error message", but now no problem. J but I wouldn't know why our versions are different in this J respect... anybody else for trying it out? What happen if you put the addresses manually separate by comma ? -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Thursday, February 03, 2000, 22:01:14 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hello Jast, On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:46:57 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, February 03, 2000, 7:46:57 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Morning Syafril Hermansyah, No, no problem here. Look I am sending this message to List and to you separate by comma not semicolon. Weird, whenever I add somebody to a recipient list, TB definitely puts a semicolon in between. Of course I could put in a comma when adding addresses manually, but I wouldn't know why our versions are different in this respect... anybody else for trying it out? Semicolon here BEFORE sending. no idea how it would arive/ I run 98 v2 Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Morning Syafril Hermansyah, A correction to the other message I sent before trying things out correctly: TB *does* use only commas when sending out, even if you enter semicolons manually or automatically :-) -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hi there! On 3 Feb 00, at 16:57, Tony Boom wrote about "Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME..": (speaking about address separator: it should be comma, not semicolon by RFCs) J anybody else for trying it out? Just tried it here, definitely a semi colon! Yup... Then this bug is not fixed yet;-( Considering the other message here that said "TB is replacing semicolons with commas upon sending messages" (I accidentally deleted the message upon reading;-() -- I see no reason why shouldn't it *display* separator as comma when adding the addresses from addressbook, then? All in all, I'd say it's a bug... RFCs should really be respected, do not act like M$, please;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Walk through doors, don't crawl through Windows. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Address Separator [Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]]
Hello Jast, On Friday, February 04, 2000 at 18:21:14 GMT +0100 (which was 04/02/2000 0:21 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: J A correction to the other message I sent before trying things out J correctly: TB *does* use only commas when sending out, even if you J enter semicolons manually or automatically :-) Good, that's enough for me. So TB! doesn't pop up "annoying error" as before. BTW. Since last week I am running Pegasus 3.12b, OE5, OL2000, Netscape Mesanger 4.71 concurrently (but all others in IMAP mode), to test new IMAP feature on my Mail Server, sometimes I sent message using one of them (which use comma separator), you know, it's real annoying if we must different standard for address separator in switching from one MUA to others. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Friday, February 04, 2000, 9:41:39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Morning Alexander V. Kiselev, Considering the other message here that said "TB is replacing semicolons with commas upon sending messages" (I accidentally deleted the message upon reading;-() -- I see no reason why shouldn't it *display* separator as comma when adding the addresses from addressbook, then? All in all, I'd say it's a bug... RFCs should really be respected, do not act like M$, please;-) Well, with replacing semicolons on sending the RFCs are at least respected on the technical side... obviously a quick fix g -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:22:02 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 1:22:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hi Roel, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:41:53 +0100GMT (01/02/2000, 12:41 +0800GMT), Roel wrote: Saves on disk space? - I receive only the single mails, and delete them after 30 days - that's over 1000 mails. Very few mails are marked as parked. If I do need anything else, there is always the archive on the net. Why do you need to archive all these +10,000 mails on your HD? because, especially on a beta software list you never know what you need when you hit a problem. I donot mean the bats beta list as its clear both bat lists are runing our of steam and are waiting for the real news, V2!! In my own case, I can easily run up a 300 emails on linux in a day... and a release may be 3 months away Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hi there! On 2 Feb 00, at 9:34, Syafril Hermansyah wrote about "Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME": AVK TB performs;- ) Which makes me think that TB developers have AVK borrowed a good bit from LookOut (just remember the address AVK separator issue: _every_ other program uses comma, RFCs say "use AVK comma and nothing but the comma", but LookOut and TB still use AVK semicolon;-)) Hi, this is already fixed, the current The Bat! I am using, use comma to separate mail address. I don't know precisely since when, but 1.39 use comma (,) as address separator. WOW Thanx for this swallow of fresh air!;-) I've been waiting for this fix literally _for_years_! -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize that you are in a hurry. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:10:09 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Hi, this is already fixed, the current The Bat! I am using, use comma to separate mail address. I don't know precisely since when, but 1.39 use comma (,) as address separator. WOW Thanx for this swallow of fresh air!;-) I've been waiting for this fix literally _for_years_! That must be a v1.41 b1 thing because I still see semicolons being used here. :( -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** "To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer." - anonymous ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:10:09 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, February 03, 2000, 3:10:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Hi there! On 2 Feb 00, at 9:34, Syafril Hermansyah wrote about "Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME": WOW Thanx for this swallow of fresh air!;-) I've been waiting for this fix literally _for_years_! So this mean you register??? Sure you can send them a suitcase of kopeken(g) Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Morning Alexander V. Kiselev, WOW Thanx for this swallow of fresh air!;-) I've been waiting for this fix literally _for_years_! Sorry, but this still isn't fixed actually.. I just tried it; still uses semicolon. Syafril must have looked wrongly or maybe he has a totally different version :-P -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hello Jast, On Thursday, February 03, 2000 at 06:47:25 GMT +0100 (which was 03/02/2000 12:47 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: WOW Thanx for this swallow of fresh air!;-) I've been waiting for this fix literally _for_years_! J Sorry, but this still isn't fixed actually.. I just tried it; still J uses semicolon. Syafril must have looked wrongly or maybe he has a J totally different version :-P No, no problem here. Look I am sending this message to List and to you separate by comma not semicolon. I don't think the O/S platform makes different. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Thursday, February 03, 2000, 14:50:56 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hi there! On 31 Jan 00, at 23:11, Paula Ford wrote about "Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests": So if a digest contains, say, 30 messages, you receive one mail message with 30 attachments? This sounds tedious to deal with in any mailer. Well no. I tested Pegasus in this regard. Whenever you open a MIME digest, a new window opens up listing the messages as if you had opened a folder!! OK, I get it. That does sound nice, but it seems that Pegasus is the only mailer that does that. I really can't say for sure. AFAIK, LookOut does it _exactly_ as TB performs;- ) Which makes me think that TB developers have borrowed a good bit from LookOut (just remember the address separator issue: _every_ other program uses comma, RFCs say "use comma and nothing but the comma", but LookOut and TB still use semicolon;-)) Relatively new mailers like Poco don't work with MIME digests well, too... I presume, there _do_ exist MUAs that do it like Pegasus does, but I don't know any;-( Actually, there _exist_ things that only Pegasus does;-) I'd sure wish to see _many_ of these in TB! Forte" Agent does it differently. It 'bursts' the MIME digest into separate messages (if you so choose) into the folder in which you download the MIME digest. You may then go through the messages. For a mailing list, I don't see how this would be much different than receiving messages individually, then filtering them to a folder. Yes, exactly my point. I'd personally prefer the way how Pegasus does it. Frankly, I don't understand why people prefer to receive the plain-text digests, except that they don't know how to filter messages to folders. So much easier to deal with separate messages, I think. Yup. But MIME digests are in many cases different from this. It makes archiving mailing lists quite simple, besides... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Don't let school interfere with your education. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Paula wrote: PF Frankly, I don't understand why people prefer to receive the plain-text PF digests, except that they don't know how to filter messages to folders. PF So much easier to deal with separate messages, I think. So I don't have the flapping bat all day. So I can check for email every ten minutes and actually not get list messages every single check. Alternatively, it would be nice if the bat stopped flashing each time you looked through your mail, even if you left unread messages. Then when more NEW mail came in, it'd start flashing again. (Again, this is the way Agent works, sigh...) -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:15:08 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: I understand from what someone said that the Digest arrives as one entity (is it a mail message or an attachment?), Yes, you get a single mail message with each message for the particular day attached separately. but that individual messages can be selected for replying to. If that's correct, I'm assuming that replying would only quote text from that particular message and would use the subject of that message in the RE: subject. When you open the message, it appears in a view folder type window with all the relevant options to deal with the message as if it were sent separately. The original headers for the message is unaltered. As I help run a mailing list, I can see where this would be a big advantage and we have the option to receive MIME digests. I'd like to suggest it to subscribers, but I'd like to know which mailers support it other than Pegasus. I know that Forte' Agent supports this as well. I don't know of any others. TB! supports it but in a tedious sort of way. :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Moderators are not God. God has mercy. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
On Monday, January 31, 2000, Allie Martin wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:15:08 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: I understand from what someone said that the Digest arrives as one entity (is it a mail message or an attachment?), Yes, you get a single mail message with each message for the particular day attached separately. So if a digest contains, say, 30 messages, you receive one mail message with 30 attachments? This sounds tedious to deal with in any mailer. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:22:57 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: Yes, you get a single mail message with each message for the particular day attached separately. So if a digest contains, say, 30 messages, you receive one mail message with 30 attachments? This sounds tedious to deal with in any mailer. Well no. I tested Pegasus in this regard. Whenever you open a MIME digest, a new window opens up listing the messages as if you had opened a folder!! I could then read each message individually, reply to them etc. Really great! Close the folder and your MIME digest is sitting there as a single message. Forte" Agent does it differently. It 'bursts' the MIME digest into separate messages (if you so choose) into the folder in which you download the MIME digest. You may then go through the messages. TB! does treat them as attachments that you have to each open individually with it's own window. Tedious indeed. ;/ -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Mediocrity requires aloofness to preserve it's dignity ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
On Monday, January 31, 2000, Allie Martin wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:22:57 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: Yes, you get a single mail message with each message for the particular day attached separately. So if a digest contains, say, 30 messages, you receive one mail message with 30 attachments? This sounds tedious to deal with in any mailer. Well no. I tested Pegasus in this regard. Whenever you open a MIME digest, a new window opens up listing the messages as if you had opened a folder!! OK, I get it. That does sound nice, but it seems that Pegasus is the only mailer that does that. Forte" Agent does it differently. It 'bursts' the MIME digest into separate messages (if you so choose) into the folder in which you download the MIME digest. You may then go through the messages. For a mailing list, I don't see how this would be much different than receiving messages individually, then filtering them to a folder. Frankly, I don't understand why people prefer to receive the plain-text digests, except that they don't know how to filter messages to folders. So much easier to deal with separate messages, I think. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hi Roel, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:41:53 +0100GMT (01/02/2000, 12:41 +0800GMT), Roel wrote: PF Frankly, I don't understand why people prefer to receive the PF plain-text digests, except that they don't know how to filter PF messages to folders. So much easier to deal with separate PF messages, I think. Some people don't want the bat to fly every couple fo minutes, but prefer to receive all the day's mails in one go. R i'm subscribed to both digest single-mail. R i use the digest for archiving the single mails for reading... R saves on disk space (more important) on start-up time for tb!... R ever tried to start up with 1+ messages? Saves on disk space? - I receive only the single mails, and delete them after 30 days - that's over 1000 mails. Very few mails are marked as parked. If I do need anything else, there is always the archive on the net. Why do you need to archive all these +10,000 mails on your HD? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:22:02 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Saves on disk space? - I receive only the single mails, and delete them after 30 days - that's over 1000 mails. Very few mails are marked as parked. If I do need anything else, there is always the archive on the net. Why do you need to archive all these +10,000 mails on your HD? Have you ever compared doing a search within TB! and perusing the results as opposed to doing it online? You may work with your won archives offline. You may apply better search criteria than the simple search string criteria provided by the online archives. If you have a little harddisk space to spare it does work out in the end. :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Procrastination means never having to say you're sorry. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
