Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Saturday, March 11, 2000, 8:33:05 PM, tracer wrote in response to my asking: Can Atguard and ZoneAlarm run concurrently? t Douglas, the answer is YES, BUT And to avoid reviving a dead t horse...ask me off line!! t tracer A dead horse carries no weight, while an informative response does. (The horse that died was focused on who had more clients / experience and therefore better reasons. Since reasons are not necessarily better or worse (often they just reflect different criteria) and speak for themselves, *I'll* risk speaking for Mark on this point and state that an informative rather than competitive answer (Simon may have valid reasons for a arriving at a different conclusion and these too would be welcome on their own - that is, not deadhorse - merit). Perspectives speak for themselves. That's my opinion. If Mark doesn't agree or you still prefer, I'll follow this up of list. Also, there's the matter of Opera and my system crashing with AtGuard and some secure websites, which *is* more of an Opera than a TB! issue. Thanks for the offer. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, March 10, 2000, 6:39:25 PM, tracer wrote in response to my saying: Tracer kindly and unselfishly helped me retrieve a good part of my email out of Calypso. Also, since the fools at Calypso blamed my windows and insisted that I install each and every upgrade ever devised, many of which undo or conflict with previous upgrades (and no effort was made on their part to distinguish), that issue was discussed in some depth also. I consider him to be both knowledgeable and a friend. t Douglas, I know but I think its all based on misunderstanding and t different circumstances. t You like me sit in a remote place where if things go wrong the nearest t civilised technical place is 800km or more away... Often it seems that the nearest civilized technical place is a lot more than 800km away. t Or it takes weeks to get something replaced. t The result is one tends to keep things simple, use things which are t KNOWN to work especially if all the system owners can do whatever they t want to plant problems in their various systems. t If I upgrade them and it goes wrong... I end up fixing it free of t charge. t And I have seen quite a few systems messed up by the MS updates. t So if they arent urgently needed I donot use them. I use MS products only when absolutely necessary. I do not use Office and have a Word 6 using Widen that will convert Word 97 and 2000 files, as well as handle log names, for the inevitable word attachments people send me. I also have the Word viewer. While IE is a good browser (mine is Opera, however), I've found that installing or uninstalling MS apps in general can be far from problem free. MS developers seem to assume things that don't generally fit my work habits or goals. I use Lotus Apps for the basic office suite things and specialized programs for the rest (Ecco, not Organizer, a few fax apps, Corel Draw, utilities, security stuff). Lotus was the firm that supported OS/2 before IBM bought it (CA also, and Sybase). t Zone Alarm is good but not for the way I access the internet. t And yes, I likely will use it for customers systems in the near t future, if it helps them and not causes me any problems in support... t I am testing it at present for the last week or so. It's always interesting to hear different points of view. It's usually a matter of differences in criteria, and either, both or neither may be closet to mine. This system has been running night and day since 1994 with a few hardware, bios and software upgrades. It swallowed Y2K while I slept. The misunderstanding was related to whether @tGuard can cause problems while constantly disabled - no one has run that down for me. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Dennis all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, March 10, 2000, 12:14:36 PM, Dennis wrote in response what he thought was my saying something that Simon said: DWG Hello Douglas, DWG Thursday, March 09, 2000, you wrote: S I use other stuff now. There is a choice: Lockdown2000, Signal9's S PC Firewall, and ZoneAlarm. ZoneAlarm is free from DWG I use ZoneAlarm. It is good. The only thing I don't like about it DWG is that it does not keep an log of what it has done. DWG Just a few days ago ZoneAlarm alerted me to the fact that I had DWG the SubSeven 2.1gold trojan active in my system. If you want an DWG impressive test of ZA's ability try this. Install it then do a DWG web search (I used Copernic 2000 Pro) on "MSREXE.EXE". A search DWG on that seems to trigger many probes on high numbered ports. DWG Probes that I have been unable to trace the DNS. DWG ZA has also shown me that the ad supported software Steve Gibson DWG of Gibson Research Corporation alerted people too continues to DWG address my port 3000 even after it's software is removed. This DWG happens as many as 75 times in an hour. S Whilst I miss some of the features of at Guard (like ability to S block or change the user agent and email, etc), these apps are S much more reliable than atGuard. In fact, ZoneAlarm stealths more S ports (well all of them actually) than any of the firewalls that S I've tried out. I have AtGuard installed and (now) enabled, with no additional, noticeable memory problems so far. When I have more disk space available I'll try some other things I haven't room for now. Can Atguard and ZoneAlarm run concurrently? Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Guys, I don't want to come across as whining, but I'm having a hard time determining how this thread is in any way, shape, or form related to TheBat! Isn't this something that would be better discussed off topic? Personally, I signed up for this mailing list to discuss the bat. Not you guys customers and/or professions. I have noticed a vast increase in the last week of off-topic threads.. Not a big deal if it is a rare occasion, but it's getting to be a regular occurrence. Best regards, Justin D. Paine Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195 Saturday, March 11, 2000 5:11:09 PM Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. -Albert Einstein- ORIGINAL MESSAGE Saturday, March 11, 2000, 4:54:05 PM, you wrote: t Hello Simon, t On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:18:03 + GMT your local time, t which was Saturday, March 11, 2000, 4:18:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, t Simon wrote: some of my customers do actually phone me back ;-) t Normally to tell you it still doesnt work (g). t I rarely get a guy calling me he is happy t On the other hand if I meet any in a local restaurant and that happens t a lot it can be a real problem to stay off a computer subject and to t refuse at least some of the free beer and other stuff... Personally I would not want anything to do with any of my customers' systems until they called me out - I have stable blood pressure at the moment. It certainly would be no luxury if they were inside my control ;-) Most of them would worry me into an early grave if I spent enough time thinking about some of the things they get up to. t Here they do get up to about anything you can think off, partly due to t the fact that 'free' software is easily obtained so the most amazing t collection of software is in those machines... t Often the easy fix is to zap their registry and reinstall their t windows keeping all those visible icons / start menus and tell them to t add software back in they need... snip -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, March 10, 2000, 2:30:48 AM, tracer wrote in response to my saying: DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application? DH I have at guard installed but it's usually disabled. t At guard is not an antivirus... Simon had mentioned "a certain 'security' app" so I asked whether he meant an AV or AtGuard. (I don't use PGP). It DOES sound like I'm confusing the two but the anti-virus (as tracer points out) is not AtGuard, which I run (the version tracer mentions but I don't remember where I got it - the url was posted on the Opera list) only when going to websites with uncertain content. Perhaps I should run it or Zone Alarm constantly. t Latest version by the way from before Norton got their hands on it t floats around on the net and seems to work under 2000. t http://www.hutch.org.uk/ t http://www.fuckwit.tm/build11.zip t By the way it was said that the second links was a typical English t frase, not a rude one. t I still get heaps of tmp files in the attachment dir That's funny, because I don't. I get them in C:\ (there's none there now, so I can't be precise about the subdirectory). There's not that many, but they add up over time. t And Pretty Park: someone repacked it with a different compressor so t the result was old virus but new looks and the virus scanners nicely t ignored it t I had quite a few cases of it last week so if anyone with 98 gets t caught the cure is easy: run regscan and pick up a clean registry. t This means the file loading the virus doesnt get loaded at windows t startup... t Donot let a virus cleaner immunize or delete files as if it does t likely part of windows doesnt work... Good to know. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:44:46 AM, tracer wrote in response to my saying: DH This happens when resources are low and the screen redraws very DH slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my rebooting a DH bit, if I delete the .tmp before reopening it. t Douglas, with the amount of hard disk space you have left you are t lucky your 95 is running at all... It's mainly a fat16 system (except for an OS/2 hpfs partition) with 10 509mb partitions with small clusters and the cd-rom, C to M. on three hard disks. While C: and the partition with the virtual memory have more free space, the rest are running between 15 and 25mb at present. I particularly have to keep an eye on I:, since -TB! will fill that one up fairly often (I just found a .tmp with 13 mb there I zapped), nd download to tape what I don't need installed. I'll have to put a bigger hard disk and reinstall a newer windows fairly soon. t Its a matter that any program can hang you so I would leave all as it t is till you get things cleaned out.. t At least its working (g) True. In fact it's running pretty well. And it's been a few days without rebooting. t Donot worry about what firewall to run, At guard is not a major t problem, your lack of hard disk/speed/memory is... You are right. But remember that my opening TB! and another program together cause me no problems, which was the source of the thread. The 40 mb of ram isn't that bad for what I'm running now. But I think the 1 mb of vesa video memory does slow me down after a while. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer, You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4, win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system.. Best regards, Justin D. Paine Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195 Friday, March 10, 2000 3:21:47 AM Imagination is more important than knowledge. -Albert Einstein- ORIGINAL MESSAGE Friday, March 10, 2000, 1:40:21 AM, you wrote: snip t you should never upgrade ie's in windows. t if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on t installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get t registry corruptions/confusion t Best regards, t tracer -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Nick, Well, I don't wanna get on an off-topic discussion.. other than to say, I admin well over 200 boxes, all running win2k, office2K, and I.E. 5.0 and simply don't encounter these problems.. Perhaps it is other software that is interactingbadly.. with I.E? Best regards, Justin D. Paine Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195 Friday, March 10, 2000 6:08:11 PM God does not play dice with the universe. -Albert Einstein- ORIGINAL MESSAGE Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:09:53 AM, you wrote: NA On Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:23:23 AM, Justin D. Paine wrote: Hello tracer, You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4, win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system.. NA Justin, you'd be in the minority then I'm afraid. IE updates _do_ cause NA problems, and as such, I stay well clear of any IE updates. In fact, I use NA Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months. If I _have_ to use one of the NA bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use NA Netscape. NA IE Updates replace a whole host of System DLL's, but the problem is, they NA don't all work well together with other MS Products, such as having a NA current MS Outlook install for instance. NA Nick -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Marck D. Pearlstone posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: Sadly, windoze won't do that reliably :-(((. It needs a reboot at least three times weekly to remain stable. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment 99% of the time. However, I have had this W98SE PC up and running for the last 13 days without any 'hiccups', so far. Used it every day, all day, and not using Advanced Power Management (Use the off switch on monitor). Only reason rebooted before that was the fan on power supply decided to become independent and operate only on days that it felt like getting uprequiring replacement obviously ;-) Most of the time prior to Win98SE upgrade 2 days has been the MAX time before needing to reboot. Mind you, I don't install software every 2 minutes or upgrade drivers and change settings unnecessarily. All my temporary folders (inc InetCache) are mapped to a virtual RAM file system, so there is no unnecessary writing to disk every millisecond. Disk Cache is set quite high, added plenty of DRAM, and Swap File is fixed on separate dedicated partition. Defrag active partition with Diskeeper 5 every morning at 4am, and 'clean' memory, purge caches, etc. and all works hunky dory thankyou! Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 B/5 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Thomas all fellow TBUDL members, Thursday, March 09, 2000, 8:17:55 PM, Thomas wrote in response to my saying: DH You mean an anti-virus application? I have at guard installed DH but it's usually disabled. TF Now that's pretty fatalistic. Just today I got the old Pretty Park TF virus again in an email. I suggest you leave your AV protection up and TF running - and updated. ;-) AtGuard is usually disabled but the AV is never disabled. DH this happens when resources are low and the screen redraws very DH slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my rebooting a bit, DH if I delete the .tmp before reopening it. TF There was a problem with TB leaving all sorts of garbage in the tmp TF directory, but I think that's been solved. My tmp is empty now when I TF close TB. I just had TB! freeze on me but my resources were down to 3% (I haven't rebooted today and maybe yesterday either). So I shut down a word processor I opened to view a word attachment and killed the *.tmp files in C:\ some of which were TB!s) and was up to 23% again. I'll still have to reboot before long. It's at 18% now. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Marck D. Pearlstone posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: MDP This is what I do, having a shortcut to "startup.bat" in my startup MDP folder. Yes, this is what I figured. I was using Robert Simpson's 'NetLaunch' to load and shut down TB! (as well as everything else Net related) but the deep freeze still occurred every now and then even though Netlaunch allows you to configure delays before an app is launched. The only way to be really safe is to independently launch with a .bat file, as mentioned, or manually launch after EVERYTHING has loaded. Of course, you could always load Windows, then TB! and leave running 24/7/365, ad infinitum... (which will be possible soon here in UK with latest news of FREE unmetered access from April 17th...about time n'all) Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 B/5 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Christopher J. Trybowski posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: CJT just remember not to run anything after TB is launched (till at least CJT parts of its window appear). Yeah, that was the bit I was forgetting. I usually leave TB! running, but on the odd occasion have had to manually launch it for one reason or another - usually close it when I'm running PhotoShop...every dreg of memory counts with it! Perhaps I should dig out and install an old 486 processor again. That way I wouldn't be able to launch 2 or 3 apps in the space of about 1 sec! That might cure it ;-) Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 B/5 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Wednesday, March 08, 2000, 4:24:29 AM, tracer wrote in response to my saying: I just shut down TB! 1.39 and while it reopened, I opened EccoPro with no problems, under an early Win95. Is the version of windows likely to figure in this problem? [TB!'s freezing the computer]. t possible and the best time to hang it is to open something while the t postbat is visible... That's just what I did. But my Bat is unflappably flappable on this system. The only problems I ever get are the "no canvas handle" video memory shortage I mentioned some time ago. TB! flies. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Tuesday, March 07, 2000, 6:32:48 PM, tracer wrote: t Openning another program while The Bat is opening will kill my t system. Sure... Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then t nothing helps except a restart I just shut it down TB! 1.39 and while it reopened, I opened EccoPro with no problems, under an early Win95. Is the version of windows likely to figure in this problem? Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, tracer posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: t Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then nothing helps except t a restart Yeah, same here; then causes a total lockup. A restart is the only way to defrost Windows once deep frozen by TB! :-( Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 B/5 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
