using the spacebar to jump to the next unread message
Hi all, I don't know if there is a feature request for the following. I am using the spacebar for reading new unread messages. With the spacebar you scroll through a message and at the end you jumpt to the next unread message. This works fine if there are still (read) messages left in the directory but when the directory is empty the spacebar does jump to the next unread message. You have to use f.i. Ctrl+cursor to the right. IMHO keep on using the spacebar for this is much more intuitive.. If this is not in BT feature request I am willing to do so. -- grtz, Henk __ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.96.04 (BETA) Pro on Windows XP SP2/OTFE enabled Forté Agent version 4.2/32.1117 Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org An innovative and progressive OpenPGP Web of Trust pgpnfPIkJPuFm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: using the spacebar to jump to the next unread message
Hello Henk, On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HMdB This works fine if there are still (read) messages left in the directory HMdB but when the directory is empty the spacebar does jump to the next HMdB unread message. You have to use f.i. Ctrl+cursor to the right. HMdB IMHO keep on using the spacebar for this is much more intuitive.. What do you have for Option/Preferences/Messages/ When moving to the next/previous unread message dialogue box? -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.96.04 (BETA) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.8.0.8 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: using the spacebar to jump to the next unread message
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:35:49 +0100GMT (12-2-2007, 18:35 +0200, where I live), Richard Wakeford wrote: Hello Richard, RW On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 you wrote in RW mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HMdB This works fine if there are still (read) messages left in the directory HMdB but when the directory is empty the spacebar does jump to the next HMdB unread message. You have to use f.i. Ctrl+cursor to the right. HMdB IMHO keep on using the spacebar for this is much more intuitive.. RW What do you have for Option/Preferences/Messages/ When moving to the RW next/previous unread message dialogue box? Move to the other folder silently V Allow search for unread messages across accounts V Go to the next unread message with SmartSpave reading V Mark the current message as read when navigating away form it -- Henk __ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.96.04 (BETA) Pro on Windows XP SP2/OTFE enabled PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org An innovative and progressive OpenPGP Web of Trust pgpxOdLroXTdW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: using the spacebar to jump to the next unread message
Hello Henk, On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HMdB Move to the other folder silently HMdB V Allow search for unread messages across accounts HMdB V Go to the next unread message with SmartSpave reading HMdB V Mark the current message as read when navigating away form it Bang goes that theory then because I have exactly the same settings as you. My space bar always takes me to the next unread message with one exception and that is when a folder (for instance my inbox) is empty. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.96.04 (BETA) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.8.0.8 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Hello Richard, Saturday, July 9, 2005, 9:19:57 PM, you wrote: C * SmartSpace navigation is turned on C * Messages are marked as read when I SmartSpace navigate off of them C * Otherwise, messages are only marked as read when I open the message C in another window RHS I also have those settings, but a slightly different questions: why RHS does it not navigate to the next message in the thread? Mine jumps to RHS the nest main message. How can I set it to go to the next unread RHS message in the thread? Do you have your threads expanded or collapsed. Mine is expanded automatically and moves to the next message in the thread. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Richard H. Stoddard @ 2005-Jul-9 10:19:57 PM Spacebar Navigation and replying mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * SmartSpace navigation is turned on * Messages are marked as read when I SmartSpace navigate off of them * Otherwise, messages are only marked as read when I open the message in another window I also have those settings, but a slightly different questions: why does it not navigate to the next message in the thread? Mine jumps to the nest main message. How can I set it to go to the next unread message in the thread? Mine doesn't do that. I thread by References and sort by Created ascending (newest at top). What about you? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Would a fly without wings be called a walk? pgpt5PJPgd2Fj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Stuart, Sunday, July 10, 2005, 7:28:50 PM, you wrote: SC Do you have your threads expanded or collapsed. Mine is expanded SC automatically and moves to the next message in the thread. Mine are collapsed. Expanding them does seem to make a difference, but it doesn't seem to move sequentially through each set of replies. However, I'll play with it and maybe will figure out the pattern. -- Thanks. Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Chris, Sunday, July 10, 2005, 8:31:28 AM, you wrote: C Mine doesn't do that. I thread by References and sort by Created C ascending (newest at top). What about you? Same. However, expanding the thread does cause it to at least stay within the thread. -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Hello Chris everyone else, on 09-Jul-2005 at 04:16 you (Chris) wrote: It seems to me that using these settings, a message should also be marked as read when I reply to it (maybe even forward it [not when I redirect it, though...]). I had the same idea... Any way to do this? If not, any thought? ...but other users objected against it for good reasons (which I can't remember at all:-). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my friends call it. -- Edgar Allan Poe Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Hello Chris, ...a message should also be marked as read when I reply to it Any way to do this? Set up a Replied filter for 'Any message', looking at 'Any folder' (or at least the folders where you may reply from) and action 'Mark as read'. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.51 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Alexander S. Kunz @ 2005-Jul-9 4:47:36 AM Spacebar Navigation and replying mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Any way to do this? If not, any thought? ...but other users objected against it for good reasons (which I can't remember at all:-). Anyone remember them? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Is reading in the bathroom considered Multitasking? pgpJ1vFRZelJK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spacebar Navigation and replying
MAU @ 2005-Jul-9 5:45:24 AM Spacebar Navigation and replying mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...a message should also be marked as read when I reply to it... Any way to do this? Set up a Replied filter for 'Any message', looking at 'Any folder' (or at least the folders where you may reply from) and action 'Mark as read'. Thanks! That worked, but it seems awkward... -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Now, then ... pgpGvMV9pRL8v.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spacebar Navigation and replying
Chris, Saturday, July 9, 2005, 7:16:45 AM, you wrote: C I have the following settings: C * SmartSpace navigation is turned on C * Messages are marked as read when I SmartSpace navigate off of them C * Otherwise, messages are only marked as read when I open the message C in another window I also have those settings, but a slightly different questions: why does it not navigate to the next message in the thread? Mine jumps to the nest main message. How can I set it to go to the next unread message in the thread? -- Thanks, Rick Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spacebar Navigation and replying
I have the following settings: * SmartSpace navigation is turned on * Messages are marked as read when I SmartSpace navigate off of them * Otherwise, messages are only marked as read when I open the message in another window It seems to me that using these settings, a message should also be marked as read when I reply to it (maybe even forward it [not when I redirect it, though...]). Any way to do this? If not, any thought? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. It's hard to write foolproof software because there are so many fools, and they are very inventive. pgpw87z1zrKmi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shift+Spacebar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Avenarius, On 3 Jan 2002 at 20:11:16 +0100, Avenarius [A] wrote concerning 'Shift+Spacebar': ... A please enable SHIFT+SPACEBAR as the reverse action of SPACEBAR. Seconded! ;-) - -- Best regards, David ** I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/22] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPDSjA1K9yf5+yp9NEQJpdwCfSCG3UQ0nuQ4ju9QaXCop1JmRIsAAoN+1 ZDHvjigE+IQwxbcLDWMnjm46 =u5FT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Shift+Spacebar
Hello Avenarius, 3 Jan 2002, 21:11:16, you wrote: A Here's a New Year's TB! feature wish (easy to fulfil!) that's been A bogging me for a long time: A please enable SHIFT+SPACEBAR as the reverse action of SPACEBAR. Seconded!! -- Best regards, Pete -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Spacebar
Saturday, July 21, 2001, 2:26:27 PM, Dwight wrote: DAC On Friday, July 20, 2001, 8:39:16 PM, Avenarius wrote: When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just skim its content. DAC Not a perfect solution, but I use the up arrow to go to the next DAC message and then the down arrow to return. This gets me to the top. That works too, of course, but as you say it's imperfect, and especially if you are on 'page 7' of a long message, and simply want to go back to 'page 6'. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Devid! On Saturday, July 21, 2001 at 11:48:36 AM you wrote: Full key mapping by the user could be a solution here (UltraEdit has it and I like it a lot). This - very old - wish should be next on the developer's list. Especially if one sees the sheer volume of (cryptic) shortcuts. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/3 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA+AwUBO1lOufTo1oA8g8dLEQLL1wCWOqCjmpHVa1YDiC1MJ1/2ltLYbgCfUNcr gA0jg0lac2RskXMBrwXG4EY= =DATi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Yuki! On Saturday, July 21, 2001 at 2:34:35 PM you wrote: DV Full key mapping by the user could be a solution here (UltraEdit DV has it and I like it a lot). YT Never heard of it. Fill in any application you know of in which you can customize the shortcuts completely (i.e. TextPad, Corel Draw, PhotoPaint, even Word). - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Only the strong survive. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1luEfTo1oA8g8dLEQLz9gCfXw5LBNwZ2f8J95ht2eFTiSUXM6kAmgOt ymUdxLQgrOOvYt+uV04SRhsL =mU62 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
Hey Avenarius, Friday, July 20, 2001, 9:39:16 PM, my MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal to write: A A Bat-fellow, Mars Descent, wrote on Thursday, July 19, 2001 at A 06:30:45 (GMT +00-02), which was 8:30 a.m. in Bratislava -- A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar as A well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, ALT A GR+SPACEBAR) be used to navigate the message list upwards, while A SPACEBAR would continue to navigate it downwards? A Until something like this is implemented, the navigation of A messages in the Bat will remain uncomfortable for me, inferior to A Forte Agent, Pegasus, the Opera mailer, or even Outlook. MD How come you want to move backwards? I can't see what it helps. A When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a A previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary A to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just A skim its content. A Currently you first need to press TAB to transfer the cursor to the A message body, and then use PAGE UP. A As soon as you do that, though, you cannot immediately move to the A preceding / next message (the CTRL+UP and CTRL+DOWN shortcuts A unexplicably do not work in preview message bodies), nor can you move A or copy the message into another folder (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C A shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). Not sure I have followed the entire thread, but, I frequently use Alt+Down/Up Arrows. I realise this does not move a full screen of text at a time like the space bar, but it seems to do what you want without shifting your view to the message... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/) eMail v1.53d Windows NT 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 1) Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal, wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 21:50:49 (GMT -0700), which was Saturday 6:50 a.m. in Bratislava -- JA Well, it may not be the shortcuts you're after, but what about JA Alt-M(essage)-C(opy) or Alt-M(essage)-M(ove)? It seems to work JA from all the views. Too slow. Especially since you can't easily type that with one hand (as a rule you press M with the right hand). Therefore it's actually quicker to press TAB+TAB+CTRL+V for moving a message into another folder. So or so, it's embarrassing that two elementary operations like this (moving or copying messages across folders) don't have keyboard shortcuts assigned to them when the cursor is located in the message body. A Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders A easily. JA I'm not familliar with Outlook's mail management methods. Does it JA use a simple shortcut as well? Outlook lacks the intelligence of Pegasus or Forte Agent, so it -- of course! -- uses an unnecessary two-letter (instead of single-letter) keyboard shortcut (TB is no different in this respect). And it's the damndest shortcut of them all: CTRL+Y! Software developers who choose the letter Z or Y as obligatory part of any keyboard shortcut attest to their ignorance and narrow-mindedness. This is because on most European keyboards except the English keyboard, Z is located where Y is on the English keyboard. And if you correspond in your own language in addition to English (who doesn't do that today?) you're then never quite sure whether you're hitting Z or Y when you need to hit CTRL+Y (as in Outlook for moving messages across folders). Outlook is too dumb to care about that. I kept mistakenly hitting CTRL+Z instead of CTRL+Y about twenty times a day while I was using Outlook. I keep switching between English and non-English keyboard layouts every few minutes, and so the keyboard shortcut kept switching its position as well. The same thing happens in The Bat with CTRL+] and other surreal shortcuts that use keys that change their positions depending on which national keyboard layout you're using. If you use more than one national keyboard layout, you're lost. Still, even a dumb stupid shortcut in Outlook style is preferable to no shortcut at all, as is currently the case when the cursor is located in The Bat's message body and you need to move or copy that message into another folder. I need to do that about twice a minute. * A Bat-fellow, Terry G. Munson, wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 22:01:46 (GMT -0700), which was Saturday 7:01 a.m. in Bratislava -- A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar A as well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, A ALT GR+SPACEBAR) be used to navigate the message body upwards, A while SPACEBAR would continue to navigate it downwards? TGM Alt up arrow works fine for me. This is too slow and not the same thing. ALT+ARROW-UP moves the message body view one *line* up, not one *pane* up. It is one *pane* up that is (besides pane-down) most often needed for navigating long messages. * A Bat-fellow, Devid Verfaillie, wrote on Saturday, July 21, 2001 at 11:48:36 (GMT +0200), which was ditto in Bratislava -- Spacebar is great for navigating forward, but I'd rather have 'Page Up' work the message display itself rather than the message list. Same with 'Page Down' for that matter. DV What key would you use to quickly navigate through the message DV list panel if page up/down works directly for the message DV display? Wouldn't a combo be sufficient for that, such as CTRL+PAGE UP/DOWN or SHIFT+PAGE UP/DOWN? And whenever the Preview pane were disabled, PAGE UP/DOWN would automatically revert to its usual function. A less radical solution would be if my original suggestion could somehow be employed: make ALT GR+SPACEBAR move the message body view up one pane, just as currently SPACEBAR moves the message body view down one pane. Shouldn't this be easy to implement for Bat developers? What could be the harm if it were implemented? -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
At 05:25 PM 7/21/01 +0200, you wrote: A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal, wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 21:50:49 (GMT -0700), which was Saturday 6:50 a.m. in Bratislava -- JA Well, it may not be the shortcuts you're after, but what about JA Alt-M(essage)-C(opy) or Alt-M(essage)-M(ove)? It seems to work JA from all the views. Too slow. Especially since you can't easily type that with one hand (as a rule you press M with the right hand). Therefore it's actually quicker to press TAB+TAB+CTRL+V for moving a message into another folder. So or so, it's embarrassing that two elementary operations like this (moving or copying messages across folders) don't have keyboard shortcuts assigned to them when the cursor is located in the message body. A Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders A easily. JA I'm not familliar with Outlook's mail management methods. Does it JA use a simple shortcut as well? Outlook lacks the intelligence of Pegasus or Forte Agent, so it -- of course! -- uses an unnecessary two-letter (instead of single-letter) keyboard shortcut (TB is no different in this respect). And it's the damndest shortcut of them all: CTRL+Y! I don't think I ever tried using keyboard shortcut for that in Outlook 2k. :-) But, it works very well with the mouse. With two rapid mouse clicks, you can move a message to some folder, and don't even move the mouse at all! Unfortunately, most everything else in Outlook don't help you organize at all. It's got a lot of organize-me buzzwords, categories, but it is really a ploy. Still, even a dumb stupid shortcut in Outlook style is preferable to no shortcut at all, as is currently the case when the cursor is located in The Bat's message body and you need to move or copy that message into another folder. I need to do that about twice a minute. Me too. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
Sunday, July 22, 2001, 7:06:23 AM, Avenarius wrote: A Someone might say, one-letter keyboard shortcuts aren't currently A possible in The Bat because of the Quick Search function. However A that's only true when the message list is under focus. When the cursor A is located in the message body, hitting any single letter doesn't do A anything. Could the Bat developers consider employing Forte A Agent-style one-letter keyboard shortcuts, D=move to next message, A U=move to previous message, R=reply, F=forward, A=reply to all, C=copy A to another folder, V=move to another folder, etc. etc.? Bravo!!! -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
SOT: Keyboard Mouse (was: Re: Spacebar)
Hello Mars, Historians believe that Sat, 21 Jul 2001 at 20:01 GMT -02-30 was when, Mars Descent [MD] typed the following: MD I have hoped to find a program to put my mouse button on the keyboard. :) Windows 98 (and others I'm sure) has this feature. Goto the Control Panel and check out the Accessibility Options. You may need to modify your installation to have access to this feature. If you want more information, we should move this to TBOT or off-list. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Ok, who is General Relativity, and what did he do with Sir Newton? -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
A Bat-fellow, Mars Descent, wrote on Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 06:30:45 (GMT +00-02), which was 8:30 a.m. in Bratislava -- A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar as A well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, ALT A GR+SPACEBAR) be used to navigate the message list upwards, while A SPACEBAR would continue to navigate it downwards? A Until something like this is implemented, the navigation of A messages in the Bat will remain uncomfortable for me, inferior to A Forte Agent, Pegasus, the Opera mailer, or even Outlook. MD How come you want to move backwards? I can't see what it helps. When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just skim its content. Currently you first need to press TAB to transfer the cursor to the message body, and then use PAGE UP. As soon as you do that, though, you cannot immediately move to the preceding / next message (the CTRL+UP and CTRL+DOWN shortcuts unexplicably do not work in preview message bodies), nor can you move or copy the message into another folder (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hello Avenarius, Historians believe that Sat, 21 Jul 2001 at 03:39 GMT +0200 was when, Avenarius [A] typed the following: sniP A (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C A shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). That one isn't so mysterious. CTRL-C and CTRL-V are the Windows standard shorcuts for cutting (copying) and pasting text. In the message bodies, you may want to copy and paste the whole message or just the selected text. TB goes with the expected behaviour and only uses the selected text. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I simply wasn't cool enough for them (whomever they were) to offer drugs to me. Drugs were everywhere, that's what the TV said. I could get offered drugs at any time. Yeah, right. -- J. Sullivan -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal, wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 18:52:39 (GMT -0700), which was Saturday 3:52 a.m. in Bratislava -- A (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C A shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). JA That one isn't so mysterious. CTRL-C and CTRL-V are the Windows JA standard shorcuts for cutting (copying) and pasting text. In the JA message bodies, you may want to copy and paste the whole message or JA just the selected text. TB goes with the expected behaviour and JA only uses the selected text. sigh! Januk, whenever I complain of this you reply the same thing. You said this about a year ago, and here's what I and others replied a year ago: 1)You cannot paste anything into message bodies -- you can only paste in the Editor, so there's no reason for CTRL+V not working. 2)The issue here is not that CTRL+V or CTRL+C shortcuts do not work (they are bad shortcuts anyway, compared to Pegasus's or Forte Agent's or Opera mailer's one-letter keyboard shortcuts). The issue is that *no* shortcuts at all are available for moving or copying messages once the cursor is located in the message body (no matter if in Preview or in Folder View). This is anything but expected behaviour, it's moronic behaviour. Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders easily. The Bat makes this impossible. And instead of making such elementary operations possible, The Bat developers choose to implement HTML composing... -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hello Avenarius, Historians believe that Sat, 21 Jul 2001 at 04:17 GMT +0200 was when, Avenarius [A] typed the following: A You said this about a year ago, and here's what I and others A replied a year ago: Sorry, I tend to forget mailing list conversations that old. A 1)You cannot paste anything into message bodies -- you can only A paste in the Editor, so there's no reason for CTRL+V not working. True. Didn't mean to imply otherwise. However, I do think with that particular pair, it would be confusing to have mixed functionality. A 2) The issue here is not that CTRL+V or CTRL+C shortcuts do not work Ah, a misunderstanding. I thought that was the issue. A they are bad shortcuts anyway, Agreed. A The issue is that *no* shortcuts at all are available for moving or A copying messages once the cursor is located in the message body (no A matter if in Preview or in Folder View). Well, it may not be the shortcuts you're after, but what about Alt-M(essage)-C(opy) or Alt-M(essage)-M(ove)? It seems to work from all the views. A Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders A easily. I'm not familliar with Outlook's mail management methods. Does it use a simple shortcut as well? A And instead of making such elementary operations possible, The Bat A developers choose to implement HTML composing... To play devils advocate, one could easily argue that all the mailers you mentioned previously already offer that HTML functionality, why doesn't TB? I say that only to point out, lots of people want lots of things from TB, we can't all be *completely* satisfied all the time. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
Hi Avenarius On Friday, July 20, 2001, Avenarius wrote the following on the subject Spacebar A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar as A well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, ALT Alt up arrow works fine for me. later, tgm Using the Bat! 1.53d under Windows NT Service Pack 1 2195 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
On Friday, July 20, 2001, 8:39:16 PM, Avenarius wrote: When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just skim its content. Not a perfect solution, but I use the up arrow to go to the next message and then the down arrow to return. This gets me to the top. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Spacebar
Saturday, July 21, 2001, 2:01:46 PM, Terry wrote: TGM On Friday, July 20, 2001, Avenarius wrote the following on the subject Spacebar A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar A as well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, A ALT TGM Alt up arrow works fine for me. It does work fine, however, I think a lot of TB! users are on MS systems, which mean that navigation controls similar to MSIE might be considered a good thing by many. Doubt if it will happen, but I'd much rather see a single keystroke for navigating back in the display. Spacebar is great for navigating forward, but I'd rather have 'Page Up' work the message display itself rather than the message list. Same with 'Page Down' for that matter. Is there an unbreakable connection between those two and the two arrow keys? (I don't know, but it seems rather odd to have this duplication for the message list if it's not absolutely necessary.) -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
RE: Spacebar
From: Januk Aggarwal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Historians believe that Tue, 17 Jul 2001 at 06:53 GMT -02-30 was when, Mars Descent [MD] typed the following: MD No matter how I've tried to sort it, I keep finding it reads MD backwards. Must be a way to change the Read direction. A thread doesn't MD read well at all backwards. You start with the story ending. And MD eventually make your way to the beginning. Do you double click the message before reading? If so, you have to select the sort order from that window. Goto View - Sort The sort order of the list in the main TB window is independent of the sort order in the window of an open message. In the open message, you can check the list order by selecting View - Message List I am having a similar problem, when I use the spacebar, it jumps from one message to the next independent of the sort order. I am not double-clicking on the message though, just reading it in the preview pane. Testing The Bat! 1.53d on a Pentium III 566 running (if you want to call it that) Windows ME. -- Karl Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] The courage to be is the courage to accept oneself, in spite of being unacceptable. - Paul Tillich -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
A Bat-fellow, Mars Descent, wrote on Tuesday, July 17, 2001 at 06:53:49 (GMT -02-30), which was 8:52 a.m. in Bratislava -- MD A thread doesn't read well at all backwards [using spacebar]. What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar as well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, ALT GR+SPACEBAR) be used to navigate the message list upwards, while SPACEBAR would continue to navigate it downwards? Until something like this is implemented, the navigation of messages in the Bat will remain uncomfortable for me, inferior to Forte Agent, Pegasus, the Opera mailer, or even Outlook. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
At 12:41 PM 7/16/01 +0800, you wrote: Hi Mars, On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:20:56 +00-02GMT (15/07/2001, 21:20 +0800GMT), Mars Descent wrote: MD When I click Spacebar, it reads messages backwards in time, not MD chronologically. No, it reads from top to bottom. That is the reason why I have sorted my messages lists with newest at bottom (sort by Received Time, No matter how I've tried to sort it, I keep finding it reads backwards. Must be a way to change the Read direction. A thread doesn't read well at all backwards. You start with the story ending. And eventually make your way to the beginning. MD Can I fix this? And hits a bump when you get to a message.htm, MD some message from Yahoo or some person. No such problem here. Maybe enough Bat users, and few of such parts (attachments?). _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hello Mars, On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:53:49 -02-30 GMT (17/07/2001, 14:52 +0800 GMT), Mars Descent wrote: MD No matter how I've tried to sort it, I keep finding it reads MD backwards. Must be a way to change the Read direction. Hit ctrl-0 (zero), or go to View / Sort By / Received *and mark Descending*. MD A thread doesn't read well at all backwards. I agree. But here, it works fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53l under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hello Mars, Historians believe that Tue, 17 Jul 2001 at 06:53 GMT -02-30 was when, Mars Descent [MD] typed the following: MD No matter how I've tried to sort it, I keep finding it reads MD backwards. Must be a way to change the Read direction. A thread doesn't MD read well at all backwards. You start with the story ending. And MD eventually make your way to the beginning. Do you double click the message before reading? If so, you have to select the sort order from that window. Goto View - Sort The sort order of the list in the main TB window is independent of the sort order in the window of an open message. In the open message, you can check the list order by selecting View - Message List -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.53l under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I had a really great tagline to put here, but I can't remember what it was. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hi Mars, On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:20:56 +00-02GMT (15/07/2001, 21:20 +0800GMT), Mars Descent wrote: MD When I click Spacebar, it reads messages backwards in time, not MD chronologically. No, it reads from top to bottom. That is the reason why I have sorted my messages lists with newest at bottom (sort by Received Time, Descending Order - being a Descent yourself, you should like this). Anyway, if your suggestion is to make spacebar go to the next message _chronologically_, I am with you. MD Can I fix this? And hits a bump when you get to a message.htm, MD some message from Yahoo or some person. No such problem here. MD And also, when you return to the message index, the current MD message you had read is not the one highlighted. Thus a little MD hard to keep track where you are. The mesasage list in the main window and the one when you open a view folder window are not connected. That is by design. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
Hello Thomas, Monday, July 16, 2001, 6:41:23 AM, you wrote: MD Can I fix this? And hits a bump when you get to a message.htm, MD some message from Yahoo or some person. Thomas No such problem here. This sounds like the same problem I had with all the releases after 1.49. And nobody could give me a solution. That's why I have uninstalled the upgrades and am back to good old 1.49 with no problems. Best regards Un saludo de Richard www.wine-from-spain.com www.lagamella.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Spacebar
When I click Spacebar, it reads messages backwards in time, not chronologically. Can I fix this? And hits a bump when you get to a message.htm, some message from Yahoo or some person. And also, when you return to the message index, the current message you had read is not the one highlighted. Thus a little hard to keep track where you are. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
