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Can we please have the option to have *all* filter actions logged rather than just those from incoming mail. The log for Office Rules should mention _what_ condition (keyword etc.) in a rule that triggered that particular rule. As an example - some of my anti-spam rules has tons of keyword in them to be triggered on condition Yes for Anywhere: junkshield disapproved message|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|I recently began using a new product from Microsoft called MSN Explorer|lost friend| submit value=|script|f r e e|free report|order form|order your free| increase traffic|free cruise|satellite system|did you know that | free palm|graduate without|child support collection|your unemployment| REALLY WORKS|for the first time we are |lifetime opportunit|script language=javascript|are you looking for|would you like to|attract more|search engine traffic|url remind| ffa |amermlrs|remove@|click here|credit card debt|creditors|send check or money order|beauty tips| hair tips|skin tips|judicial judgements|incredible low rate|dropped again|debt reduction|your dept|loan program|.co.kr?|.co.tw?|com.tw?| .cg?|.cn?|.ar?|.br?|.mx?|gay sex|lesbian sex| hardcore |100% risk free|federal republic of nigeria|central bank of nigeria|promptly remove you|jjab.com|money on the internet|horny|x-rated|xrated| myfreehost|spy software|stealth software|targeted list|bulk e|global remove|money on the net|undisclosed recipients|undisclosed.recipients| undisclosed-recipients|s+multipart/i This may be hard to believe, but there was no|collect child|avant-garde-marketing.com|make lots of $| bargaindog|freewebcounter.com|fullpromote.com|we have visited your website|we just visited your website|we visited your website|broadwing| buckies.nl|hotwire.nl|party-mailing.com|reactor-events.com|judicial judgment|improve your income|.BIZ or .INFO|register your domain name today|further mailings|do not want to receive|marketingexpert.com|paid weekly| celebs |slut|hot nude|firm tits|breast|adult pic|adult video| adult site|!--|PRVB|find out anything|.BIZ and .INFO|increase your| HGH|platinumpills.com|this is not spam|financial opportun|enron|N M D C| btamail.net.cn|unique product|patented product|refinance|charset=gb2312| @printy.net|newfunpages.com|below is the result of your feedback form| marketing tool|illion dollar|septic system|health care|8020.com|make thousand|hottest young|blondes|penis enlarge|your penis|protect your | myplace.com|.to/|without debt|eshop1.com|order now!|corner24.com|eBook| Bill 301|s. 1618|hurry while|descrambl|as seen on|advertised on|diploma| copy dvd|copy any dvd|free grant|your grant|removeme|SincerelySilver| sincerelysilver|freehostchina|marketing.com|adult password|we apologize for any inconvenience|optout|opt-out|opt out|free software|limited time offer|musagetes.com|valueclick.com|legal age|her ass|offer888.com| pornstar|for registrations nowfor registration now|person interested in| passed by the 105th us congress|hardcore|OTCBB|lose weight|pounds in| make up to $|earn up to $ The above is just _one_ of my filters - most of the times it is pretty obvious what triggered the rule - but every now and then it is a real puzzle. I would like the log to show the condition that triggered, like: 10.03.2003, 16:11:51: FETCH - received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2144 bytes) (processed by JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Anywhere - Main 2003-JAN-21 - 2), trigger: slut, moved to Inbox\Shielded Messages - JunkShield) Notice the logged condition trigger: slut in my example. Feel free to add this suggestion to your wish if you want, Stuart. / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello St - Musaic.Net, On or about Monday, March 10, 2003 at 16:34:36GMT +0100 (which was 10:34 AM in the tropics where I live) St - Musaic.Net posted: Can we please have the option to have *all* filter actions logged rather than just those from incoming mail. I fully concur with this! see below boondoggle 10.03.2003, 16:11:51: FETCH - received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2144 bytes) (processed by JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Anywhere - Main 2003-JAN-21 - 2), trigger: slut, moved to Inbox\Shielded Messages - JunkShield) SMN Notice the logged condition trigger: slut in my example. I had a situation occur over the weekend (when I am less attentive to my mail) which caused a mail filter loop and sent out 457 'fwd: fwd: fwd: ' messages to a mailing list I manage. That is 457 X 10,212 (or 4.66 _MILLION_ plus) messages before I caught the error. I still don't know why it happened, as the logs don't tell me what the 'trigger' was. This filter has been working properly for 14 months, so I'm at a loss as to what happened. I'm thinking the mailing list that sends out the daily bulletin involved has slightly changed their format, just enough to foul up my filter, but I am still in the process of investigating. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike (Disclaimer to those who know: don't flame me. To those who don't know: don't believe me. To those who don't know whether they should know: you'd believe anything, just because it was written in the internet, right? ;-)) /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62i hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
I had a situation occur over the weekend (when I am less attentive to my mail) which caused a mail filter loop and sent out 457 'fwd: fwd: fwd: ' messages to a mailing list I manage. That is 457 X 10,212 (or 4.66 _MILLION_ plus) messages before I caught the error. I still don't know why it happened, as the logs don't tell me what the 'trigger' was. This filter has been working properly for 14 months, so I'm at a loss as to what happened. I'm thinking the mailing list that sends out the daily bulletin involved has slightly changed their format, just enough to foul up my filter, but I am still in the process of investigating. Sorry to here about your problem - the feeling is awful, I reckon! I manage 6 complete mailinglists with Digests (my own software) on a PII 233 - works like a breeze. The problem you were having is avoided on my lists easily since I add a small line in all outgoing messages: I set Field %ORG=Musaic.Net (Musaic.Net Relay Server featuring Anti- virus Antispam filtering). So I avoid loops by simply having a rule in front of my mailing list rules that grabs any returning message with a line Musaic.Net (Musaic.Net Relay Serve [snip] in Organization. / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello St, As an example - some of my anti-spam rules has tons of keyword in them to be triggered on condition Yes for Anywhere: snipped quiite a bit :) The above is just _one_ of my filters... WOW! It certainly must take a lot of time from you to manage the filters (add words or phrases and knowing if they are already included in one of your filters, etc.). Why re-invent the wheel! Haven't you thought about using something like POPFile for detecting spam? If I had to manage those filters I would delete them and return to just deleting spam as it comes in, much less work. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello Spike, I had a situation occur over the weekend (when I am less attentive to my mail) which caused a mail filter loop and sent out 457 'fwd: fwd: fwd: ' messages to a mailing list I manage. That is 457 X 10,212 (or 4.66 _MILLION_ plus) messages before I caught the error. Am I understanding you correctly? You mean you manage a mailing list with 10,212 members with TB? So that when a message is sent to the list your TB sends 10,212 copies of the message, one to each member? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
WOW! It certainly must take a lot of time from you to manage the filters Up to now it _took_ a lot of time to create good filters. Why re-invent the wheel! Haven't you thought about using something like POPFile for detecting spam? If I had to manage those filters I would delete them and return to just deleting spam as it comes in, much less work. You know this sound stooopeed, right? One pleasure I have over the other free/buywares is my filter works just perfect with a very high accuracy, and on the top: I have a personal feeling for a system I created myself! Resounding: ...much less work. What do you know about that?!? My filters do not need an everyday-fix as almost 100% of the spam I receive is taken care of using the filters as they are - it is only now and then I need to create better definitions. Besides, I fight spammers - maintaining my own system keeps me very well alert to what I am doing! / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello Miguel A. Urech, On or about Monday, March 10, 2003 at 18:29:19GMT +0100 (which was 12:29 PM in the tropics where I live) Miguel A. Urech posted: I had a situation occur over the weekend (when I am less attentive to my mail) which caused a mail filter loop and sent out 457 'fwd: fwd: fwd: ' messages to a mailing list I manage. That is 457 X 10,212 (or 4.66 _MILLION_ plus) messages before I caught the error. MAU Am I understanding you correctly? You mean you manage a mailing list MAU with 10,212 members with TB? So that when a message is sent to the MAU list your TB sends 10,212 copies of the message, one to each member? To quote the popular rent-a-car ad, Not exactly. I have messages such as ZDNet Anchordesk and other assorted IT news and anti-virus bulletins that forward to a 'Smartgroups' list containing the 10,212 members. By the time I caught it, the volume had reached these levels. Fortunately there is a 5-10 minute delay between the time I send them out and when they appear to be distributed. If the response time was faster, the duplications would have been more monumental!! As I am one of the group members (the 'owner'), I get each message back into the folder for the group. I still haven't figured out how the filter misfired after 14 months, as the trigger is the sending mailer and the field is 'sender.' The 'sender' for the newsletter is newsletter.online.com, and the 'sender' for the group is smartgroups.com. You tell me how the filter got bullocks'd up? I don't have a clue.. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike I saw a subliminal advertising executive, but only for a second. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62i hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello Spike, On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 at 13:12:24[GMT -0500](which was 18:12 where I live) you wrote: As I am one of the group members (the 'owner'), I get each message back into the folder for the group. I still haven't figured out how the filter misfired after 14 months, as the trigger is the sending mailer and the field is 'sender.' The 'sender' for the newsletter is newsletter.online.com, and the 'sender' for the group is smartgroups.com. You tell me how the filter got bullocks'd up? I don't have a clue.. No help I know but my filters went belly up a while ago and I don't know why either so I just worked through them but also had to adjust the order of some of my folders to get it all back working. I only have very basic rules running my folders too - fortunately. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello Spike, To quote the popular rent-a-car ad, Not exactly. I have messages such as ZDNet Anchordesk and other assorted IT news and anti-virus bulletins that forward to a 'Smartgroups' list containing the 10,212 members. OK, understand. You tell me how the filter got bullocks'd up? I don't have a clue. Well, if you don't have a clue I have no idea, sorry :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wishlist request.
Hello St, Up to now it _took_ a lot of time to create good filters. OK, I didn't how far you had already gone in creation the filter. So, it doesn't take you much time but it _did_. That is what I meant, a big effort. I have a personal feeling for a system I created myself! Nothing to argue about that. There is nothing to argue about personal feelings. Besides, I fight spammers - maintaining my own system keeps me very well alert to what I am doing! I also actively fight spammers, and not just reporting spam to Spamcop. In my case, POPFile and a very simple filter in TB to move spam to a folder do the job. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wishlist request.
Hi St, Monday, March 10, 2003, 5:52:41 PM, you wrote: SMN You know this sound stooopeed, right? One pleasure I have over the other SMN free/buywares is my filter works just perfect with a very high accuracy, SMN and on the top: I have a personal feeling for a system I created myself! Yes, I agree. I roll all my own filters and don't use any spam blockers. Apart from having the satisfaction of doing it myself I know (at least 99% of the time) why things are being filtered. And, one or two of the normal spam words sometimes appear in subject lines from friends of mine, so I know that I can get them by having their filter (to folder) first, before my spam filters. SMN What do you know about that?!? My filters do not need an everyday-fix as SMN almost 100% of the spam I receive is taken care of using the filters as SMN they are - it is only now and then I need to create better definitions. Yes. I hardlyu ever see spam messages now other than in my spam folder or my trash, depending on the filter. (I use a spam folder for filters which contain domain names on the off chance I may get a mail from someone at those domains who isn't a spammer). -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
