Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Mary Bull wrote: MB> So I hope the upcoming release will fix your txt2html.regexps MB> function, since it seemed to be associated with the Smiley-display MB> malfunction. I was waiting for them to fix the crash on exit before I tried the latest beta. I grabbed it last night and the images do indeed work again. Unfortunately, I just had a crash on exit so I'll probably go back to the version I was on before. My unattended backup process shuts down TB! and a crash on exit would likely mess that process up. -- George Using The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hello George! On Friday, January 26, 2007, 5:38 PM, you wrote: ASK>> I'm using the txt2html.regexps to render text styles bold etc., ASK>> and its still working, just like the smilies. > I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean to say that txt2html.regexps > wasn't working - it's still converting the external links to local > ones. It's those local links that no longer work, just like the > smileys. It shows the Alt text in a box. Smileys are working for me now, in v. 3.96.03 (BETA). The developers announced when they began offering beta versions 3.96.xx for testing that they were proceeding toward a release, when all the showstopping problems have been cleaned up. So I hope the upcoming release will fix your txt2html.regexps function, since it seemed to be associated with the Smiley-display malfunction. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello MFPA, >> I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message >> with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are >> long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE'). > > With tinyURLs you are also trusting a third party you do not know. > You are assuming the tiny url has not been tampered with... Yes, I am. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.96.01 (BETA) Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hi On Wednesday 31 January 2007 at 11:23:59 AM, in , MAU wrote: > I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message > with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are > long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE'). With tinyURLs you are also trusting a third party you do not know. You are assuming the tiny url has not been tampered with... -- Best regards, MFPA An idealist is a person who helps other people to be prosperous Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Thomas, > Maxim didn't post tinyurls, but that's not your point. I said "I would have trusted...". > While this is getting OT, I wonder why you go through all the trouble > to create a tinyurl in the first place. ;-) As a courtesy to my correspondents who don't use TB and would get wrapped URLs otherwise. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.96.01 (BETA) Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Perry, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:32:46 -0500 GMT (31/01/2007, 22:32 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: PN> Excessively long URLs "break" due to word wrap for users of Outlook PN> or Outlook Express, and even those of them sophisticated enough to PN> understand why the link doesn't work must go to the trouble to paste PN> it together again to follow the link. So in such cases it is not more PN> convenient to just c&p the full URL into the mail. PN> That's not a problem for those of us who use The Bat!, of course, but PN> not everybody uses The Bat! For those on this list using OL/OE (are there many anyway?), I don't feel sorry if they have this problem. Should I? However, I suggested to post both the tinyurl (if you want to) as well as the full URL. PN> I understand that you don't use it or want to use it. That is your PN> prerogative. As I said in my first message, I am not trying to change PN> your opinion or behavior. Funny though that this has become such a long thread in a TB!-related UDL. Never mind, I have made my point and it is now up to the individual posters to decide how they want to present any links. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cadix liegt auf einer Insel, und vermittels einer Brucke hangt das feste Land mit dem Meere zusammen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: bat and router
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:45:33 PM, you wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:03 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 21:04 +0700 GMT), > Jurgen Haug wrote: JH>> one can have preview links now on tinyurl JH>> maybe that's made for you. JH>> like this one here. JH>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg > If people were posting the preview like you did, it would be somewhat > better. But why? Just the full URL is one click less for me, and a lot > of work less for you. doesn't make much sense in an eMail environment! But it does for other purposes. I am using it at work. > I just don't get the purpose of tinyurl. Should we move this to TBOT? oh? I thought we took over this place and made it TBOT :-P -- Best regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: "Gebildet ist, wer Parallelen zu sehen vermag. Dummköpfe sehen immer wieder etwas ganz Neues (Sigmund Graff)" Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Firefox 2.0 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject PGP key request pgpCRdU7DqmGJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello MAU, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:23:59 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 18:23 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M> I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message M> with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are M> long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE'). M> I would have trusted on any links posted by Maxim. I don't know if I M> would trust any posted by you though ;-) Maxim didn't post tinyurls, but that's not your point. While this is getting OT, I wonder why you go through all the trouble to create a tinyurl in the first place. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: It is always possible to park directly outside any building you are visiting. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Jurgen, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:03 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 21:04 +0700 GMT), Jurgen Haug wrote: JH> one can have preview links now on tinyurl JH> maybe that's made for you. JH> like this one here. JH> http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg If people were posting the preview like you did, it would be somewhat better. But why? Just the full URL is one click less for me, and a lot of work less for you. I just don't get the purpose of tinyurl. Should we move this to TBOT? -- Cheers, Thomas. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hi Thomas, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 7:55:28 PM, you wrote: TF> That's so inconvenient. Why go through all the trouble and create a TF> tinyurl in the first place, if it is much more convenient for the TF> sender and the receiver to just c&p the full URL into the mail? Excessively long URLs "break" due to word wrap for users of Outlook or Outlook Express, and even those of them sophisticated enough to understand why the link doesn't work must go to the trouble to paste it together again to follow the link. So in such cases it is not more convenient to just c&p the full URL into the mail. That's not a problem for those of us who use The Bat!, of course, but not everybody uses The Bat! I understand that you don't use it or want to use it. That is your prerogative. As I said in my first message, I am not trying to change your opinion or behavior. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.95.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: bat and router
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 2:01:40 AM, you wrote: > The minimum I do for *every* URL before I click on it is look at the > domain. If you don't want to send the full URL (why not?), it's really > up to you whether or not you want to get your message accross, now > that you know the tinyurl won't be clicked on. BTW, if you c&p the > full URL, it will be much faster for you than creating a tinyurl. Why > do you go through all the trouble obscuring the URL you want the > reader to click on? one can have preview links now on tinyurl maybe that's made for you. like this one here. http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg -- Best regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: "Gebildet ist, wer Parallelen zu sehen vermag. Dummköpfe sehen immer wieder etwas ganz Neues (Sigmund Graff)" Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Firefox 2.0 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject PGP key request pgptkRX3QesbZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Thomas, M>> We are in a free world, at least that's what we like to think :) So, do M>> as you please. > > I do. I'm sure you do, too. I just wanted to let you know why I never > click on tinyurls, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, if you want > people to click on the URLs you send (otherwise you wouldn't include > them in your mail), just post the full URL. It's easier and faster for > you too. I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE'). I would have trusted on any links posted by Maxim. I don't know if I would trust any posted by you though ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello MAU, On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:46:08 +0100 GMT (30/01/2007, 23:46 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M> We are in a free world, at least that's what we like to think :) So, do M> as you please. I do. I'm sure you do, too. I just wanted to let you know why I never click on tinyurls, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, if you want people to click on the URLs you send (otherwise you wouldn't include them in your mail), just post the full URL. It's easier and faster for you too. M> But don't tell me that the URLs Maxim included in his message were M> at all comprehensible for you, assuming you looked at them in M> detail ;-) The minimum I do for *every* URL before I click on it is look at the domain. If you don't want to send the full URL (why not?), it's really up to you whether or not you want to get your message accross, now that you know the tinyurl won't be clicked on. BTW, if you c&p the full URL, it will be much faster for you than creating a tinyurl. Why do you go through all the trouble obscuring the URL you want the reader to click on? -- Cheers, Thomas. Laughing stock: cattle with a sense of humor. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Perry, On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:45:19 -0500 GMT (31/01/2007, 00:45 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: TF>> The suggsestion on this list was, IIRC, that if anybody wants to TF>> send a tinyurl, he should also send the full URL. I myself will only TF>> click only on the latter. PN> I understand your reservations and my intent isn't to get you to PN> change your behavior at all but only to inform you of the fact that PN> TinyURL has a feature called "preview" you can toggle on or off. When PN> it is toggled on, clicking on the TinyURL takes you first to the PN> TinyURL site where you can see the longer URL to which it points. You PN> then have the choice of whether to follow the link or not. That's so inconvenient. Why go through all the trouble and create a tinyurl in the first place, if it is much more convenient for the sender and the receiver to just c&p the full URL into the mail? -- Cheers, Thomas. A duck walks into a drugstore and ask the clerk for Chapstick. The clerk puts the Chapstick on the counter and says, "That will be $2." The duck replies, "Just put it on my bill." (true story) http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hi Thomas, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 8:19:36 AM, you wrote: TF> The suggsestion on this list was, IIRC, that if anybody wants to TF> send a tinyurl, he should also send the full URL. I myself will only TF> click only on the latter. I understand your reservations and my intent isn't to get you to change your behavior at all but only to inform you of the fact that TinyURL has a feature called "preview" you can toggle on or off. When it is toggled on, clicking on the TinyURL takes you first to the TinyURL site where you can see the longer URL to which it points. You then have the choice of whether to follow the link or not. Unfortunately for the problem you are describing however, you can't know in advance whether or not the person who sent you the TinyURL has that feature turned on. In my case, I do, and I have asked my frequent correspondents who use that system to please toggle the preview on. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.95.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Thomas, >>> Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! > ASK>> But why would anyone need it since we're using an email program that can ASK>> handle these long lines without any problem? > > Sorry MAU, but I agree with Alex. I don't click on any tinyurl URLs, > because it might be a surprise what is behind it. > > The suggsestion on this list was, IIRC, that if anybody wants to send > a tinyurl, he should also send the full URL. I myself will only click > only on the latter. We are in a free world, at least that's what we like to think :) So, do as you please. But don't tell me that the URLs Maxim included in his message were at all comprehensible for you, assuming you looked at them in detail ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Alexander, On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:13:51 +0100 GMT (27/01/2007, 19:13 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> on Saturday, January 27, 2007 at 13:01 you (MAU) wrote: >> Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! ASK> But why would anyone need it since we're using an email program that can ASK> handle these long lines without any problem? Sorry MAU, but I agree with Alex. I don't click on any tinyurl URLs, because it might be a surprise what is behind it. The suggsestion on this list was, IIRC, that if anybody wants to send a tinyurl, he should also send the full URL. I myself will only click only on the latter. -- Cheers, Thomas. "I tested this program in the presence of a certified child labourer, and she went crazy over it. " - Wanda Sloan in a software review for an icon-generating program. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hi On Friday 26 January 2007 at 6:17:08 PM, in , Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > A client ought to send via an ISPs/mail providers SMTP server *Ought to* based on what? What is your argument against the convenience of sending from your own domain (with appropriate SPF record) via a local SMTP server on your pc? -- Best regards, MFPA Editing is a rewording activity Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hi On Saturday 27 January 2007 at 12:13:51 PM, in , Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > If you disable scripts, cookies and have an adblocker running, tinyurl > won't work all of a sudden (don't know which of the three is causing it) > - which means to mean that it must contain something that I really don't > need. I would guess the ad-blocker. Disabling cookies and scripts does not affect tinyurl here. (I keep ads down to an acceptable level using just eDexter, the Hosts file and Firefox's own settings.) -- Best regards, MFPA You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Alexander, >> Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! > > But why would anyone need it since we're using an email program that can > handle these long lines without any problem? Well, here (in this list) you are right. But I exchange email a lot of people who don't use TB. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Maxim, >>Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! > I don't like it, I don't see where will it point until I click it. It's a good reason :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 18:45:22, you wrote: >> Please also consider these URLs: >> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Q_21710324.html >Well, thats the same (IMHO blind) obedience to the RFCs as if they were >the source of all wisdom. :-} If you have correctly configured DNS than there are no problems with The Bat!. If your DNS is misconfigured you still can specify the EHLO argument in WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file. We do not see any reason why we should change anything in The Bat! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Please also consider these URLs: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Q_21710324.html http://www.mimedefang.org/kwiki/index.cgi?UseHeloToCatchSpam3 -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 16:21:25, you wrote: >Well, you're the programmer. Be creative. ;-) You could fall back to >using the local IP in square brackets in that case, for example. I made a test: - Outlook Express 6 sends HELO LocalHost - Microsoft Office 2003 Outlook sends EHLO LocalHost -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 14:10:54, you wrote: >If people choose to ignore the warning requester when (re)naming the >computer, they have to live with the consequences. When they install a localized Windows, there is no such warning, moreover, Windows may offer a name with national characters by default. >My approach would be to test the computer name, open a notification >requester if its a name containing non-standard characters, and then >simply filter the non-standard characters from the computer name, so >that GÖLDFISH would become GLDFISH in my example. Alphabets like Greek, Cyrillic, Georgian, etc, may have no Latin (A-Z) characters at all. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Mau, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 14:01:46, you wrote: >Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! I don't like it, I don't see where will it point until I click it. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Maxim, > 1. > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.installation/browse_frm/thread/476cf8701fc0b0ea/7a9d7ec7ecec78c0?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo > 2. > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/mailing.postfix.users/browse_frm/thread/d7d249e4997f3a49/93e7003d0423c06d?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=9&hl=en > 3. > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.general/browse_frm/thread/32ae229743106d65/236f0a3de3c141b3?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=8&hl=en > 4. > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook/browse_frm/thread/e904fb01d454a8f3/f4f15fc2c05413cd?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=6&hl=en > 5. > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.installation/browse_frm/thread/476cf8701fc0b0ea/7a9d7ec7ecec78c0?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=1&hl=en Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Friday, January 26, 2007, 0:02:17, you wrote: >>When I try to use national characters, I get a requester telling me that >>non-standard characters were used, that non-standard characters may not >>be used in a computer network name, and that standard characters include >>A-Z, a-z and numbers. It tells that standard characters include A-Z, a-z and numbers and "are you really sure you wish to use these characters". If you click "Yes", then the computer name becomes with national characters. We have lots of reports from Russian users that have Russian computer name. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> on Friday, January 26, 2007 at 00:19 you (George Mitchell) wrote: >> I'm using the txt2html.regexps trick to turn some external image >> links into links to images on my hard drive. This quit working >> along with the smileys, so it's not just the .msl mechanism that >> broke. ASK> I'm using the txt2html.regexps to render text styles *bold* etc., ASK> and its still working, just like the smilies. I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean to say that txt2html.regexps wasn't working - it's still converting the external links to local ones. It's those local links that no longer work, just like the smileys. It shows the Alt text in a box. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Friday, January 26, 2007, 21:54:02, you wrote: >I consider the delay an annoyance, and it is there BECAUSE you are not >using a simple HELO routine like it used to be. Thank you, we will try to send HELO , but we have to figure out how to get the name of the machine in Latin characters when it contains national characters. Will try to see how Outlook behaves in these cases. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Friday, January 26, 2007, 20:32:59, you wrote: >Ahm, this seems like a misunderstanding. I meant to turn the FQDN thing >on or off. To get what you mean "FQDN OFF" we should either resolve the full name (which The Bat! does) and strip all the parts except the first word, or call GetComputerName which may not be adequate, may contain Unicode characters, etc. >And let the user configure its own (local part of the) HELO >identifier while we're at it. ;-) This won't solve the EHLO problem. 1. You have to know that you have to configure this argument 2. You have to know WHAT to type there You can already configure your own part of the HELO by modifying the C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file, by adding a line 192.168.104.105 blabla Where 192.168.104.105 is your IP address and blabla is the name that will be transmitted as the EHLO argument. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Friday, January 26, 2007, 20:30:22, you wrote: >>Well, let the user configure its HELO string if its such an old and >>unreliable beast. How would the user know that a HELO string should be configured? E.g. you didn't know which caused the delay, so the other users may not know that HELO argument may be a root of a problem. The software should be smart enough to save the users from such quircks. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Friday, January 26, 2007, 20:02:32, you wrote: >>And can we *please* have a configuration switch to turn that... thing... >>in TB *ON* or *OFF* as the user prefers it? ;-) What should The Bat! send as the argument when it is OFF? The name of the computer, returned by GetComputerName()? What if it contains national characters, which usually happens in Russian windows? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Thursday, January 25, 2007, 0:28:20, you wrote: >>That doesn't explain why there's no delay when using Outlook Express (if >>the same mailserver is used, that is). Outlook doesn't send the fully-qualified symbolic host name (FQDN) to the server, which is also problematic. It may not work where the other mail clients work. Here are some references: 1. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.installation/browse_frm/thread/476cf8701fc0b0ea/7a9d7ec7ecec78c0?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo 2. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/mailing.postfix.users/browse_frm/thread/d7d249e4997f3a49/93e7003d0423c06d?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=9&hl=en 3. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.general/browse_frm/thread/32ae229743106d65/236f0a3de3c141b3?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=8&hl=en 4. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook/browse_frm/thread/e904fb01d454a8f3/f4f15fc2c05413cd?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=6&hl=en 5. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.installation/browse_frm/thread/476cf8701fc0b0ea/7a9d7ec7ecec78c0?lnk=st&q=outlook+smtp+ehlo+FQDN&rnum=1&hl=en -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Mary Bull wrote: >> Does that one work and it's just the "uber common" smileys that got >> the different look? MB> None of them work. Neither the PCWIZE collection nor the DEFAULT MB> collection. MB> It's as if the .msl's ability to call the image were broken. I think that's it exactly. My guess would be that smileys breaking is the result of a half-finished feature. I'm using the txt2html.regexps trick to turn some external image links into links to images on my hard drive. This quit working along with the smileys, so it's not just the .msl mechanism that broke. If Ritlabs is really working on enabling selected external image links, perhaps smileys will resume working when they're done. Strange they've been silent on this topic. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hello Leif! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 2:40 PM, you wrote: >> It's as if the .msl's ability to call the image were broken. >> Thanks for chiming in, Leif. > Ahhh. Well, so much for my $.02 then.. Leif, when you get time, could you do a complete msi install of this, over the version you're presently running: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-08.msi Just to test. Afterwards, perhaps you would have time to put a support note at: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6190 Would be much appreciated and rate a :kiss: or a :bearhug: from me and maybe from Charlene. < grin > It's from tbbeta mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The changes mentioned relate to Windows Vista Manager, to label placement in the SMTP authentication dialogue, and a larger window for the installation wizard. That's it. Not a word about Smileys or tags. So, I think something else inadvertently got done in writing the msi version. Thanks a mil! -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hello Mary, Thursday, January 25, 2007, 1:19:05 PM, you wrote: > It's as if the .msl's ability to call the image were broken. > Thanks for chiming in, Leif. Ahhh. Well, so much for my $.02 then.. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons & Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Somewhere hidden in this message there is a hidden message. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hello Leif! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 1:58 PM, you wrote: >> Abandoning all 9Val's and Leif's hard work. :( > Just chiming in even though I haven't followed the whole thread and > basing what I'm about to say off something I think I remember > hearing. I could be wrong and am willing to take a hit on it. Always so courteous. :) > Weren't the developers working on something along the lines of smart > "tags" like *bold*, /italics/ type thing. I wonder if this is where > it's coming from. ... Haven't heard that, but if so it could be related. > Is it totally disregarding the .msl? i.e. if you use > :gdr: It's displayed as gdr (with the colons) and a rectangular box around it. > Does that one work and it's just the "uber common" smileys that got > the different look? None of them work. Neither the PCWIZE collection nor the DEFAULT collection. It's as if the .msl's ability to call the image were broken. Thanks for chiming in, Leif. -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hello Mary, Thursday, January 25, 2007, 11:39:31 AM, you wrote: > Abandoning all 9Val's and Leif's hard work. :( Just chiming in even though I haven't followed the whole thread and basing what I'm about to say off something I think I remember hearing. I could be wrong and am willing to take a hit on it. Weren't the developers working on something along the lines of smart "tags" like *bold*, /italics/ type thing. I wonder if this is where it's coming from. Is it totally disregarding the .msl? i.e. if you use :gdr: Does that one work and it's just the "uber common" smileys that got the different look? -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons & Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Sir, you have a collective call from Borg, will you accept the charges? Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hello Peter! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 12:27 PM, you wrote: MB>> ... I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons MB>> and pics in The Bat!/Images feature. MB>> And I think I am not alone in this. > No, you're not! :) I reverted to the last beta before this MSI for > that reason. It has the same version number, although it's not the > same. It still shows the Christmas splash screen and Smilies work > well. :)) Then I am going back. I may not beta test any more until the developers announce that they have put the .msl function back into the code. MB>> Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. > If I were a smiley-hater, I would just turn them off! :lol: Some are very "righteous" about it, though. ;) And Miguel's opinion is that this is deliberate coding by the developers. Abandoning all 9Val's and Leif's hard work. :( I feel abandoned, too. :boohoo: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: PCWSmileys Administrator The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Smileys (was: bat and router)
Hi Mary, on Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:30:05 -0600GMT (25.01.2007, 14:30 +0100GMT here), you wrote: MB> On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 7:17 AM, you wrote: >>> But, then, I can't see my pretty smiley images, that way either, of >>> course. And I do miss them. Some of them are animated, especially >>> the PCWIZE collection. I'm a child at heart, and I like the fun of >>> them. >> Do you really need any of the functionality in this last version? >> Think about it and revert to a version with smileys :) MB> Good suggestion. MB> However, I'm still beta testing, even though, for personal reasons, I MB> am no longer posting on TBBETA. MB> So, I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons and MB> pics in The Bat!/Images feature. MB> And I think I am not alone in this. No, you're not! :) I reverted to the last beta before this MSI for that reason. It has the same version number, although it's not the same. It still shows the Christmas splash screen and Smilies work well. :)) MB> Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. If I were a smiley-hater, I would just turn them off! :lol: -- Cheers Peter Tagline dispenser temporarily out of order. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat!/Images/default.msl, .pcwsmileys.msl gone for good? [was Re: bat and router]
Hello MAU! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 10:52 AM, you wrote: >> Perhaps, after all, it is a bug inadvertently introduced into TB!'s >> code. > A bug that draws perfect rectangles around smileys? No way :-) Smiley text! Not Smiley images! LOL -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat!/Images/default.msl, .pcwsmileys.msl gone for good? [was Re: bat and router]
Hello Mary, > Perhaps, after all, it is a bug inadvertently introduced into TB!'s > code. A bug that draws perfect rectangles around smileys? No way :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat!/Images/default.msl, .pcwsmileys.msl gone for good? [was Re: bat and router]
Hello MAU! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 8:52 AM, you wrote: >> So, I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons and >> pics in The Bat!/Images feature. >> >> And I think I am not alone in this. >> >> Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. > There must be other reason. "Smiley-image haters" or "I couldn't care > less" users can very easily turn Smiles off by RMBing on message view. Perhaps, after all, it is a bug inadvertently introduced into TB!'s code. But, the developers, so far, are not commenting on this strange rendition of "text in a box" rather than the actual icon or image formerly displayed with RTV in the View windows, when Smileys are enabled.. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Mary, > So, I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons and > pics in The Bat!/Images feature. > > And I think I am not alone in this. > > Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. There must be other reason. "Smiley-image haters" or "I couldn't care less" users can very easily turn Smiles off by RMBing on message view. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Miguel! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 7:17 AM, you wrote: >> But, then, I can't see my pretty smiley images, that way either, of >> course. And I do miss them. Some of them are animated, especially >> the PCWIZE collection. I'm a child at heart, and I like the fun of >> them. > Do you really need any of the functionality in this last version? > Think about it and revert to a version with smileys :) Good suggestion. However, I'm still beta testing, even though, for personal reasons, I am no longer posting on TBBETA. So, I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons and pics in The Bat!/Images feature. And I think I am not alone in this. Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. -- Best regards, Digressive Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Mary, > But, then, I can't see my pretty smiley images, that way either, of > course. And I do miss them. Some of them are animated, especially the > PCWIZE collection. I'm a child at heart, and I like the fun of them. Do you really need any of the functionality in this last version? Think about it and revert to a version with smileys :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Miguel! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 6:31 AM, you wrote: You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) >>> Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something >>> will be ready in 2 weeks, the "dimension converter" will tell you that >>> in normal persons' dimension this means 2 or 7 months ;) >> And when they ignore and don't promise a fix at all? Does that mean >> they're in a separate time and also a separate space? > No, it means that they don't know how to fix it but will not admit it > ;-) :rofl: >> These boxed smilies are really beginning to annoy me! > Switch to PTV. :) So, of course then the boxes disappear. But, then, I can't see my pretty smiley images, that way either, of course. And I do miss them. Some of them are animated, especially the PCWIZE collection. I'm a child at heart, and I like the fun of them. http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php >> So, Miguel, is there a BT report on them that I can support? > I don't think so because AFAIK it's not a bug, it's WAD for RTV. No pictures called, ever again, then? Bummer. :( Off to write an entry in The Bat! Wishes at BT, then, simply for the satisfaction of letting off a little steam. Fully working HTML presented to TB! users, but no Smiley .msl function. What a laugh!! Stay tuned for new thread. -- Best regards, Digressive Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Mary, >>> You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) > >> Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something >> will be ready in 2 weeks, the "dimension converter" will tell you that >> in normal persons' dimension this means 2 or 7 months ;) > > And when they ignore and don't promise a fix at all? Does that mean > they're in a separate time and also a separate space? No, it means that they don't know how to fix it but will not admit it ;-) > These boxed smilies are really beginning to annoy me! Switch to PTV. :) > So, Miguel, is there a BT report on them that I can support? I don't think so because AFAIK it's not a bug, it's WAD for RTV. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Miguel! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 4:45 AM, you wrote: >> You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) > Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something > will be ready in 2 weeks, the "dimension converter" will tell you that > in normal persons' dimension this means 2 or 7 months ;) And when they ignore and don't promise a fix at all? Does that mean they're in a separate time and also a separate space? These boxed smilies are *really* beginning to annoy me! So, Miguel, is there a BT report on them that I can support? -- Best regards, Digressive Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Chris, > You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something will be ready in 2 weeks, the "dimension converter" will tell you that in normal persons' dimension this means 2 or 7 months ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
MAU @ 2007-1-24 3:21:23 PM "bat and router" > Glad to hear that Maxim. I know you guys listen and I also > understand that everything cannot be fixed at the same time. Some > things come first and others have to wait. You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. "Interestingly, according to modern astronomers, space is finite. This is a very comforting thought--particularly for people who can never remember where they have left things." -Woody Allen pgpcZARH6gE2M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Maxim, >>>No, not any more. Previous versions did so but remember that now it >>>sends: > >>>EHLO [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] > >>>That is, the IP address. Something many of us don't like. > > This did only happen under Windows XP; we have fixed this today. New > versions will not send this dotted-decimal argument in EHLO any longer > if they will be able to resolve the symbolic name. Glad to hear that Maxim. I know you guys listen and I also understand that everything cannot be fixed at the same time. Some things come first and others have to wait. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 20:35:25, you wrote: >>No it doesn't. It sends "HELO [unroutable-local-ip]" here. Whether thats >>good style is argueable. We are using the new getnameinfo() API call and unfortunately under Windows XP it returns error 11004. Under Windows 2003 or Vista it works properly. New versions of The Bat! will be calling old API calls to get the symbolic name if getnameinfo() will fail. >>> If your DNS settings are improperly configured >>If a client computer needs manual DNS configuration, the network is >>improperly configured. I agree. >>> it may take a while to get the name of the hostname from the numeric >>> address >>E?!? Which hostname should be resolved by whom in your example? E.g. mycomputer.mshome.net >>I don't have a delay, I was just chiming in since you left out the >>essentials answers on TBBeta when we last discussed it. After that discussion we have put back an old way to resolve the host names; I had no idea why getnameinfo() API call could fail under Windows XP. >>And I see no evidence how a delay should arise by the name resolution if >>I'm relaying to a foreign SMTP server. This delay may happen on a client during the getnameinfo() API call or during DnsQuery() API call or during gethostbyaddr() API call. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Mau, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 20:27:25, you wrote: >>No, not any more. Previous versions did so but remember that now it >>sends: >>EHLO [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] >>That is, the IP address. Something many of us don't like. This did only happen under Windows XP; we have fixed this today. New versions will not send this dotted-decimal argument in EHLO any longer if they will be able to resolve the symbolic name. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Maxim, > The Bat! sends > "EHLO hostname" > to the SMTP server. No, not any more. Previous versions did so but remember that now it sends: EHLO [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] That is, the IP address. Something many of us don't like. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bat and router
Hello Alexander, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 18:36:48, you wrote: >>Which is quite normal in home networks. I don't understand what this >>recent fuzz about FQDNs and name resolutions in combination with TB is >>about. TB is a mail client, not a server. The Bat! sends "EHLO hostname" to the SMTP server. If your DNS settings are improperly configured, it may take a while to get the name of the hostname from the numeric address. So make sure you have configured all the DNS settings properly and the delay won't arise. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hi there lee, > I run The Bat version 3.96.6 with a Netgear DG632 ADSL Modem Router and > whenever I > send mail there's a delay for exactly 13 seconds and then the message will > finally go. After > that messages go straight away...until I close and re-open The Bat when I get > the > delay again. It could be that the mailserver is trying to verify the client using the ident protocol. If that's the case, the server's ident request ends at your router (to the router it's an outside-initiated connection that is not "port-forwarded" anywhere, so it drops the packet). If the server doesn't get a response, usually after a timeout it just ignores the failed request and continues with POP3 or IMAP, authenticating there. To check whether this is the problem in your case just add a port forwarding rule to your router: forward all packets to port 113 to the machine running TheBat. Also, disable any firewall you might have running on the machine. If the delay is gone then, you have at least identified the problem. If so, you have more than one option: a) You may be able to configure your router not to silently drop packets to port 113 but to return "port closed". The server will then "catch on" without the delay that no ident server is running on your system and continue like it does now after the delay. b) You can leave the port forwarding rule in place and either configure the firewall on your machine to reject (return "port closed", not drop) the packet or simply to allow the inbound to reach port 113 on your machine permanently. If TheBat is sporting an ident server, it will answer the request, if not, Windows' default answer will be "port closed", which means no application is listening on that port. Again, the asking server will not have to go into timeout but gets its answer instantly. Of course, by opening up the port on your router you will be detectable by an attacker doing portscans, which is not inherently dangerous by itself but will at least allow the attacker to detect that "something" is there on this IP. But either way, if you want to avoid the delay, the server must get an answer to his request, either positive or negative. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpLj8McHQMo2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bat and router
Hello Lee, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 4:10:18, you wrote: >>Odd problem. I run The Bat version 3.96.6 with a Netgear DG632 ADSL Modem >>Router and whenever I >>send mail there's a delay for exactly 13 seconds and then the message will >>finally go. It may be a problem with name resolution - the router may assign an IP address to you that does not resolve back to a symbolic host name (FQDN). -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bat and router
Odd problem. I run The Bat version 3.96.6 with a Netgear DG632 ADSL Modem Router and whenever I send mail there's a delay for exactly 13 seconds and then the message will finally go. After that messages go straight away...until I close and re-open The Bat when I get the delay again. It's definitely a Bat issue as I tried the same with Outlook Express and the mail went straight away. What's my router/firewall got against The Bat. Any ideas? Thanks Using The Bat! v3.96.6 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 -- Lee Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
