Re: Problem connecting to multiple email accounts on the same server
Hello Leif, Oh, forgot, just in case, here's how to get to the timed checking. Account / Properties / Options, Periodical checking every n minutes. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem connecting to multiple email accounts on the same server
Hello Heinz, Friday, June 20, 2003, 3:45:16 PM, you wrote: HH> Sorry Leif but this will not work. Cause 3 * 5 = 15. So every 15 HH> minutes TB will then query 8 Accounts. 3 * 7 = 21 So every 21 HH> minutes TB will then query 8 Accounts. End so on. Yeah, that is true... I forgot about that. Thanks :-P At any rate, aliasing is the better solution for all but the extreme purposes. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Creating filters without having to create a new folder everytime
Hello Vishal, Sunday, June 22, 2003, 5:57:31 PM, you wrote: V> I don't choose Ok. I choose Edit and set my filtering options, but V> the folder gets created regardless. Yeah, a little bit of a pain, but I guess half the people would want it to autoset to Inbox and the other half want it to default to something else. So I suppose nobody is going to be really happy with it until you can set the default in the account properties. So prior to "editing" the advanced options for the filter, remember to change the destination folder name is the only thing I can offer. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting messages
Hello Domagoj, Sunday, June 22, 2003, 11:30:10 AM, you wrote: DK> Actually, it wouldn't work. When I sign message which has "-- ", DK> PGP changes this to "- --", which TB doesn't recognize as sig DK> delimiter. AFAIK, there is no way to prevent PGP doing this DK> (although I don't know why it's neccessary). DK> That's why I have a bit modified clean quote template from TB DK> library, which strips PGP signature, as well as anything after "- DK> --". I don't see the point in using "- --", which TB doesn't DK> understand, when PGP signature is standard and more known sig DK> delimiter than "- --" (and TB doesn't recognize any of them). Yes and no. By default, I agree totally with you, TB doesn't recognize it as a sig delimiter "- --", but I, like you also have a PGP quote cleaner, so it will recognize the "- --". Many of us do. My point to your original post was that you didn't have "-- " which PGP didn't convert to "- --", so nothing got snipped out of your message when I replied. Your original message had: ,-- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | Domchi | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: | 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E | AA54 33FA B7E4 | | iQA/AwUBPvLom7geqlQz+rfkEQIf1gCffidJlyvkKC7qoh2WGzNYyam5lvcAn1Xi | 06xeBIZ1AsY1lE404GyH/htg =yWPw -END PGP SIGNATURE- `-- I'll look, I think someone created a template to recognize "-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-" as well. Thanks. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply numbering
Hello Wayne, Wednesday, June 25, 2003, 6:50:34 AM, you wrote: WH> Is reply numbering on by default? If so, I think it should not. It WH> messes up a lot of mail lists. Some readers can't handle it. I WH> think it is annoying and very unnecessary. Use the macro %SINGLERE in your template, and this will take care of it. I do agree with you though. I've never had occasion to see where it was useful, and shouldn't be a default. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME X.509 Thawte Certificate for TB?
Hello Greg, Thursday, June 26, 2003, 2:03:59 PM, you wrote: GS> I should add the default is "Microsoft Enhanced Cryptographic GS> Provider v1.0" with many other choices. GS> After looking at Options | S/MIME | selecting Microsoft CryptoAPI GS> I can choose "Microsoft Enhanced Cryptographic Provider v1.0" with GS> RC2 and SHA-1 as the Encryption algorithm & Signing has algorithm, GS> respectively. GS> Looks like the above is the way to go if I want to use the key for GS> both Outlook & TB. I don't think I want to use Outlook, but it GS> does give me the potential. I'll give it a try and let you know. This is in the FAQ. It'll tell you exactly what you need to do. http://www.mindquake.com.br/thebat/ -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME X.509 Thawte Certificate for TB?
Hello Greg, Thursday, June 26, 2003, 3:29:28 PM, you wrote: GS> Thanks! Amazing. It looks like I did everything correct up to the GS> point of receiving the certificate from Thawte without looking at GS> the FAQ. Once I get it to work I'll have to see about adding email GS> addresses. Thanks again. No problem. That's where I found out how to do it. I think it's a bit dated (not sure), but it still works. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME X.509 Thawte Certificate for TB?
Hello Greg, Thursday, June 26, 2003, 8:08:02 PM, you wrote: GS> Funny thing is there is a certificate there on the web that I GS> fetched, but it doesn't have a private key when I try to export. I GS> suppose this has to be added by Thawte? So when you go to export it, you're checking the "Export private key" option right? I'll have to try it again for me. I think mine expired a while back. Also check the "Advanced" button before exporting to tick off "secure e-mail" use. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Detecting HTML Spam
Hello Francis, Thursday, June 26, 2003, 8:15:22 PM, you wrote: FM> Isn't there an add on for The Bat for filtering? Has anyone used FM> it? Is it available? Please don't top post (meaning that when you reply you reply above the quoted text of the original message). This is in the list rules. Additionally, please snip out any irrelevant portions of the message when replying. Quoting the original message sig and other things makes the message larger than it needs to be, and is messy looking. This is also in the list rules. Thanks. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Verify S/MIME signature?
Hello Greg, Tuesday, July 1, 2003, 2:14:21 PM, you wrote: GS> I just received a Thawte Free Certificate. I would like to verify GS> a good signature. I thought this would be OT, and sent to the GS> TBOT. Unfortunately it looks like Yahoo strips signature from the GS> email, so TBUDL is default option. Thanks! Good here. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kenneth, Thursday, July 3, 2003, 3:36:30 PM, you wrote: KSR> Perhaps as more of us migrate over to such technology, perhaps KSR> the guideline might needs to be modified somewhat or we cannot KSR> frown on others who might prefer top posting over bottom posting. Or better yet... If people would trim their quotes. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kevin, Thursday, July 3, 2003, 11:01:06 PM, you wrote: KC> In Bat groups like this, including the "mid:"; line helps if KC> someone didn't see the original post and wants to read it in its KC> entirety. For the, err, fanatics of TB like us who do keep all the messages, I totally agree with the mid: concept. However, I'm pretty sure (just guessing here) that the majority of the list subscribers do not keep all the messages, and that's where mid: fails. Now if we could just get the archive tweaked where mids could be gotten from there, then life would be good! KC> When emailing someone's cell phone address I purposefully keep it KC> short and simple and eliminate extraneous things like my signature KC> line. Absolutely. I have special address book templates for recipients on cell phones and such so that all they get is my message (sans sig) or my reply (sans quotes and sig). And I agree with your comment on reading mailing lists using those devices. Even with my Palm Pilot m515, I don't synch any of my mailing lists. For one, there's too much volume, and two, it's not worth the hassle IMHO. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html and graphics/pictures showing
Hello Aaron, Tuesday, July 8, 2003, 10:42:06 AM, you wrote: AMF> I have a problem viewing graphics/pictures in html email that I AMF> recieve using TB. I will download all my messages, some being AMF> html and some not, but for some reason the graphics and pictures AMF> that go with the html messages show up as x's where the pictures AMF> are supposed to be. I cannot find an option in TB to turn off the AMF> high security or how to make it so that I can view these AMF> graphics/pictures. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The answer to your question is in the FAQ: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Messages.html -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: archiving
Hello Q179, Friday, July 11, 2003, 8:16:21 AM, you wrote: Qac> Qac> Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: Qac> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html At the bottom of every message you receive from the TB lists is the above. Clicking that link will take you to the page showing all of the information you need to manage a subscription to the TB lists. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Terry, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:03:03 PM, you wrote: T> I use Popfile alone because it *doesn't* use DNS blacklists. I have T> philosophical issues with DNS blacklists. And, at 99% + accuracy, T> Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) This is not directed at Terry, but the thread in general. We're kinda getting OT with this thread. Please move it to TBOT. Thanks. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problem sharing messages with multiple bat installations
Hello y7anect001, Thursday, July 17, 2003, 6:58:35 AM, you wrote: >> Hello Mike, >> Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 10:17:07 PM, you wrote: MJV>>> I have two installations of theBat using the same account on an MJV>>> IMAP server. I leave certain messages on the server from work MJV>>> so that I can download them later from home. This message is not directed at Cael in particular. Just a friendly moderatorial reminder to please trim your quotes. There's no need to have a full page of quotes when replying. Thanks. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: can I identify sender by color?
Hello Danger, Thursday, July 17, 2003, 2:40:33 PM, you wrote: D> Can I identify sender by color? Absolutely. You'll need to set up a filter for each person you wish to colorize. If you look at the filter Actions for setting the color group. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: House Pics
Hello Paul, Monday, July 28, 2003, 2:05:29 PM, you wrote: PC> hm, can I be the first to guess folder template??? Ok, you get a cookie... ;-) TB>> I've put all the pictures on a CD along with some music from TB>> Ray's band - the Swing Commanders! Are the Swing Commanders any good? TB>> Love We love you too... Once again, another example of why folder templates are a bad idea when you hardcode a list address. Please don't use folder templates. Look into addressbook templates, or use the macro to prevent this from happening: %IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" If there is an address (in the case of a reply) already populated, then it will not put in the list address. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: House Pics
Hello Tony, Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 1:35:03 PM, you wrote: TB> Apologies all! TB> Only second time it's happened - honest! TB> I'll look into those ideas, Leif, thanks. TB> BTW, The Swing Commanders are very good too ;-) Tis' ok. Next time you get the trout! ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: House Pics
Hello daniel, Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 2:38:31 PM, you wrote: dh> what a lovely mailinglist. I feel very comfortable with you guys.. dh> :) Just don't get too comfortable. Somebody might blindside you! ;-) dh> So my love goes back to you, as this is my first post (*hello*) - dh> with the first question: Hello back.. Welcome to the list. dh> what do you mean with "addressbook templates"? If you open your addressbook, right click an addressbook entry, choose properties, you can set templates for each individual addressbook contact. dh> I now put this into the template for my TBUDL folder, but I still dh> don't get, what Tony has done wrong to crosspost his mail into the dh> list.. has he replied to a mail out of his TBUDL folder? Yes. What can happen for instance is if you have the macro %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED] in your New Message template for your TBUDL folder, and you click on a mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], then your message gets addressed to both the TBUDL list and the e-mail address you clicked on. Try it. Click the mailto link in the above paragraph. With the Macro I wrote, it will not address the message to the TBUDL list as well. Without the macro, and you'll see it addressed to both when you have %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED] in your new message template. Hope this helps. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting Bat messages to outlook
Hello Francis, Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 8:31:58 AM, you wrote: FM> Is there a way to export messages to Outlook (not express)? I see FM> three options in the export, but I do not see a corresponding FM> selection in Outlook (e.g. .msg or .eml). This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out USER. Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading mail client. See "View | View threads by | Reference" to see where it ended up. The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread instead of by all users. I recommend that you post your question again using a "New message" if you want to see more replies to your query. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help creating a filter
Hello Steve, Thursday, August 14, 2003, 10:04:34 AM, you wrote: SMS> I'm wondering if someone might be able to assist me with creating SMS> a rule. Essentially, I'm wanting to have a sound play whenever SMS> mail is received from a specific person. THat's the easy part, SMS> however, the person I have in mind often posts to mailing lists, SMS> so I would want other rules to be executed. I guess my question SMS> is do I need to be careful where I place the rule in the list of SMS> rules? Do I need to check the override box? What you'll want to do is place the "sound" filter at the top of your filter list (or at least above any filters that might move this person's message). Then on the Options Tab of the sound filter, check the box "Continue Processing with other Filters". Make sure you don't move the message to another box on the "Rule" tab. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another Q on the Worm (Blaster)
Hello Patricia, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 9:06:22 PM, you wrote: P> Sorry for top posting before, I forgot! Oops, I had modded your top post before I saw your apology. Ahem, I hate to do this twice in a row to you, but... This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Patricia. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: diary
Hello Jan, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 9:49:22 AM, you wrote: JR> Take a look @ Ariadne. It's an interesting program & works great JR> depending on your needs & work habits. http://www.open-sft.com/ Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jan. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayestit plugin
Hello Sean, Monday, August 4, 2003, 4:31:23 AM, you wrote: SRT> I am trying the Bayesit plugin but even when I mark mail as spam, SRT> my spam count remains at 0. I am using the current .3a As BayesIT is still under development and definitely beta at this point, you'll be better served posting to either TBDEV or TBBETA. TBUDL is primarily for new users and users sticking with stable releases of everything. Thanks -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: can I change RE: into something else?
Hello Stuart, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 10:05:10 AM, you wrote: SH> Duck! Incoming Trout. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trout beta - was Re: can I change RE: into something else?
Hello Mark, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 6:34:40 PM, you wrote: MW> ...I leave town for a few days and look what happens... Is there a MW> new Trout beta? How can I get my very own copy? Musta been using MW> the wrong bait... It's a very limited beta. Apparently there are some serious problems with this one as there are reports of some moderators who have been spontaneously trouted by their own beta trout. It's a very ugly situation indeed. However, it appears you'll be able to at least taste the trout as follows: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mark. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help creating a filter
Hello Steve, Thursday, August 14, 2003, 10:41:21 AM, you wrote: SMS> I'm assuming the only way I can tell TB not to move the message SMS> is to specify the inbox as the target folder? I don't see a way SMS> to leave that field blank. Correct. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: into somethingelse?
Hello Dave, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 11:16:40 AM, you wrote: DK> And the instructions are ? You guys kill me! The bottom of each message is the TBUDL info which shows how to subscribe to TBOT, but here's the direct info. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leif's messages appearing as duplicates lately
Hello Mary, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 1:54:52 PM, you wrote: MB> Below are the message IDs of the latest I've received from you on MB> tbudl as pairs: Any thoughts? It's because I like you so much that I make sure you get two of everything I send... Well, ok, here's the real reason. I'm guessing you are subscribed to TBOT. Since I'm trying to maintain a thread within TBOT when I declare something OT, I've been CC'ing the OT message to TBOT from whatever list the OT message was originally on. Ok, that sounds confusing. You're getting two of those messages because your filter for TBUDL is firing true because TBUDL is in the TO field, and TBOT is in the CC field. What should happen is that one goes to TBUDL and one goes to TBOT. There's really not an easy way to fix this in filters. It happens on my side too, and will happen on anyone's machine who is subscribed to both TBOT and the TBBETA, TBUDL, TBDEV, or TBTECH list which had the original OT message. Doers this make sense, because I think I hurt myself... ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Another Q on the Worm (Blaster)
Hello Scott, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 11:25:01 PM, you wrote: SM> I RE-discovered a few days ago that my System Restore wasn't on. I SM> discovered that the System Restore service (in Control Panel -> SM> Administrative Tools -> Services) would refuse to start, giving an SM> access error. Try it on your system and see what happens; the SM> error message should give you a clue as to what the problem was. SM> For me, it turned out to be a problem with the ACL settings on my SM> system drive. I fixed that with SecEdit: Again... Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Scott. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another Q on the Worm (Blaster)
Hello Patricia, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 9:05:35 PM, you wrote: P> Must be, well, I hope I don't get it! I installed the patch for it, P> so I should be safe. I didn't hear much on it until recently, how P> does one get it, is it another OE thing or something else? Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Patricia. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: into somethingelse?
Hello Mark, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 11:05:22 AM, you wrote: MW> It might be nice to add to your canned response a note about how MW> to get on TBOT, since it's not in the standard headers or footers. MW> At least not for those of us in digest mode. All I really remember MW> is that it's somewhere on yahoo. Good idea. Thanks. MW> Yep, you're right! This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mark. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: can I change RE: into something else?
Hello Stuart, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 10:05:10 AM, you wrote: SH> Duck! Incoming Trout. Nothing like ruining a good setup by accidentally sending before you were done... Error - Trout failure... Grrr. Dang Betas... :-( -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leif's messages appearing as duplicates lately
Hello Marck, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 4:52:53 PM, you wrote: MDP> er - actually there is. The way is to filter on "Reply-to: tbudl" MDP> for tbudl messages and "Reply-to: TBOT" for tbot messages - both MDP> filtering on kludges. It never misses! DOH!!! Didn't consider that. I'll change mine too., -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: The Bat! wins 2003 SIC award...
Hello Peter, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 1:02:07 PM, you wrote: PM> I can't see any relation of this site to The Bat!'s award. You are correct, so in an attempt to head this particular discussion off... Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Peter. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: diary
Hello Freddie, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 1:30:54 PM, you wrote: FF> What is the address for subscribing to TBOT? You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: into something else?
Hello All, While the moderators certainly wish to foster a community within the TB users so that we can all help each other, this thread would be more suitable for discussion on the TBOT lists. 1. This is not an e-mail centric worm. 2. It has nothing to do with TB even remotely. 3. Most of the ground has been covered here on TBUDL Please continue this on TBOT (I've CC'd the TBOT list with this message to continue the thread there.) Thank you. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sobig.f filtering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tb, Thursday, August 21, 2003, 11:36:10 PM, you wrote: ttcu> Which the virus puts into every email it sends. ttcu> Thanks ttcu> Michael. Lot's of double trouting this week. :-( This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out tb. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out tb. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. - -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/3 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQE/RkQLCXAZd2wKsWsRAnd6AJ9dn3RdU4NJ5bQKp9MZpcT3EYmAjgCeN6Bp ShWaKJMLocZAtSc+0gLEx3o= =mUzK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sobig.f filtering
Hello William, Friday, August 22, 2003, 12:49:21 PM, you wrote: WM> What's the bag limit? Most people are comatose at four troutings from the sheer repugnancy of smell. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/3 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2 Download Mirrors
Hello Cyber, CT> Maybe there you will have more luck CT> CT> Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: CT> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Cyber. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 RC1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0: slower - and other issues
Hello Stan, Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 9:14:21 PM, you wrote: SR> Has V2 replaced the cockamamie free caret text editor with a SR> competent auto-wrapping text editor? That would be worth upgrading SR> for. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Stan. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam plugin download location ?
Hello thebat, Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 8:58:28 AM, you wrote: tdc> Thanks a lot, I'll try this asap :) tdc>>> I'm just wondering where I could find a spam plugin for my tdc>>> newly upgraded TheBat 2.0. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out thebat. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP-MIME signatures (was:Re[3]: message.att file attachmentwith The Bat! v2.0 issue)
Hello Paul, Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:04:43 PM, you wrote: PH> I'm clueless as to how I enable PGP-MIME signatures. Googling PH> didn't help nor could I find in the TBUDL archives. Is it possible PH> with GnuGP? I do this in each of my "moderated" replies in the QT. %USEPGP%PGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE That puts the PGP-MIME signature on them. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and subfolders
Hello Brian, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 6:12:47 AM, you wrote: BSS> So I'm inferring that everyone has the same problem and it's not BSS> unique to my configuration?? Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Brian. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: compress & purge upon close
Hello Jonathan, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:10:20 PM, you wrote: JG> Best regards, JG> Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are JG> http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JG> Join the Oracle-article list and receive one JG> article on Oracle technologies per month by JG> email. To join, visit Yes, uncheck the Account Properties / Options / Compress all folders on exit option. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jonathan. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange macro appearance
Hello Mark, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:20:32 PM, you wrote: MW> I've quoted the whole thing here for you. Ooh, nice save "s'ok little trouty, we'll get him next time won't we my little precious.." Cackle. Cackle. Cackle. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to copy text from templates
Hello dajabo, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 4:20:11 PM, you wrote: d> The templates editor doesn't allow for copy & pasting. Sure it does, highlight the text, CTRL-C to cut and CTRL-V to paste. d> David Boggon d> _ This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out dajabo. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list focus
Hello Craig, Friday, September 5, 2003, 7:52:10 AM, you wrote: CW> Is there a way to focus the message list so that most recent CW> messages are visible? I have them sorted by when received and CW> every time I open a list I have to do a lot of scrolling to get CW> down to most recently received messages. Yes, when you click on the column header, it will switch between ascending and descending. CW> -- CW> Craig Westerman CW> [EMAIL PROTECTED] This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Craig. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: different reply quotes for different people
Hello Stuart, Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:08:46 AM, you wrote: SH> The usual reason for this behaviour is so that you never make the SH> mistake of calling your wife buy your lover's name or you lover by SH> your wife's! Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Stuart. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list focus
Hello Dave, Friday, September 5, 2003, 8:03:34 AM, you wrote: L>> delimeter in your templates. DK>^ DK>Typo in your template - delimiter DOH!!! thanks for the catch. DK> -- DK> Dave Kennedy This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Dave. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: setting FOLDER to addresses
Hello Sean, Saturday, September 6, 2003, 2:37:59 PM, you wrote: >Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >A: Why is top posting frowned upon? I really like that! It sums up very nicely exactly why top posting is so irritating. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Over-ride BCC from template
Hello Coyle306, Saturday, September 6, 2003, 5:48:02 AM, you wrote: C> You have to delete the bcc field immediately before hitting "send". C> It's annoying. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Coyle306. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Hello Paul, Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:04:39 PM, you wrote: PR> An alternative might be to send them to a junk folder instead, Ouch. Now we're junk :-( -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Hello Urban, Friday, September 5, 2003, 6:15:56 PM, you wrote: U> IMHO, that is a wee bit ill-mannered of the moderators. There U> should be no reason for us lowly mortals having to even consider U> this risk, instead they should send 2 separate messages (and most U> often they do). whisper, whisper, ok, so Marck, whisper, grab his legs, whisper, Allie, take both trouts, whisper, whisper, I'll lure him Urban around the corner, whisper, giggle, giggle, snort, whisper, we'll get 'em good! -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Old-timey communications
Hello Dave, Monday, September 8, 2003, 10:25:38 AM, you wrote: DK> Very fun times. Crosstalk, etc.! My neighbor across the street ran DK> a BBS and had at least one T into his house to support all his DK> phone lines. I used to dog-sit for him and all those blinking DK> lights and silver USR modems were way cool. This was circa DK> 1982-1984 or so. While I enjoy the reminiscing, and plan to join in on TBOT, it has gotten OT for TBUDL. Cy'all there. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Dave. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Danger, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 8:08:02 AM, you wrote: ,-- [ Is this really necessary to quote? ] | D> Hello Danger, | | D> Monday, September 8, 2003, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote: | | D>> Hello Danger, | | D>> Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:30:28 PM, you wrote: | | D>>> Hello Christopher, | | D>>> Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:51:12 PM, you wrote: | | CB Hi Julien, `-- This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Danger. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Danger, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 10:11:37 AM, you wrote: D> Sorry Leif I was overcome with Joy. No problem. It happens to all of us! -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello David, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 11:40:14 AM, you wrote: DB> And exactly how much extra is it costing you? The point isn't so much how much you individually are costing someone, but the collective of all e-mail, and what it costs everyone. 1. Let's say it costs 2 cents for someone to receive an HTML e-mail vs. 1 cent to receive a plaintext e-mail. Now let's take someone who averages 50 e-mail a day (spam included). Now let's take that per year. 1 year of HTML e-mail = $365.00 1 year of plaintext e-mail = $182.50 I can think of a million things I'd like to spend that money on rather than HTML e-mail because someone likes cutesy colors and fat fonts. Now, I chose 1 and 2 cents arbitrarily, but as we become more mobile, and want our e-mail with us everywhere, cost can become a big issue. Luckily, I'm in the U.S. where I pay a flat fee regardless of how much, or how little e-mail I get on my Cable connection. Conversely, when I'm mobile, it costs a *great* deal more. Paying $40.00 for 500 minutes, HTML mail gobbles my airtime. In the U.S. rates are pretty cheap. In other countries, even their home internet access costs them money. Minutes are consumables, just like toner and paper in a fax machine, and the reason they passed the junk FAX law. When I have unlimited airtime for a flat fee, then I might reconsider. Now take the HTML mail to a global scale. $365 x millions and eventually billions of people per year. Yeah, that's a serious waste of money. 2. Most mobile devices have limited space. Why would I want an HTML message twice the size of a plaintext one with no value added eating up all my available memory. Download 10 messages, delete 8 HTML messages, download 8 or 9 more, delete 7 HTML messages ad-infinitum. There's a time and place for HTML e-mail. There are some discounter outdoors companies that send me HTML e-mail showing their latest and greatest deals with pics of the items for me to see. I like that, I asked to receive them. However, I don't need a one line e-mail from a friend saying they'll be over in an hour with some animated background image of trees swaying. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Line lengths and techniques for automatic adjustment
Hello David, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 2:21:36 PM, you wrote: DRA> Over the years I have learned that it is good to have about 70 DRA> characters in a line. (Perhaps that is somewhat subjective; no DRA> criticism is intended of those who keep their lines longer.) DRA> How do other Batters deal with this, please? Good question. Generally, I go to the paragraph in question and hit ALT-L. I normally have to do this because while their original text was 70 chars, when I reply and their initials plus the ">" makes most of them go over 70. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Gerard, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 3:08:30 PM, you wrote: G> Anything can be used in a right and a wrong way. If you receive one G> line e-mail from a friend saying they'll be over in an hour with G> some animated background image of trees swaying, it has more to do G> with your friend and your choice of friends then his email program. Oh, I absolutely agree with you 100%. Except, when an e-mail client has HTML e-mail turned on by default, I can guarantee you 99% of the end users will abuse HTML e-mail. That's a guarantee!!! I should know, I manage the SMTP gateway and mail servers for nearly 5,000 people in a corporate environment which is based off Lotus Notes which has HTML e-mail enabled by default. The end users don't know any better. It drives me completely insane how many people send little one liners with big background pics, cutesy HTML fonts and colors. Things like going away parties, retirement parties, birthday parties, furniture up for grabs (they usually embed pics of this stuff) etc.. It just doesn't quit. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello David, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 5:05:02 AM, you wrote: DRA> Best wishes, DRA> David DRA> DRA> Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: DRA> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Dave, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 7:49:12 AM, you wrote: DK> The Internet is becoming to be treated in the same manner as DK> automobiles. I.e. "I just want it to work and don't care how it DK> works." *Exactly*!! and Exactly why this is a Bad Thing (tm). When I drive my car, and if I run over someone, I am personally held liable for my actions in court. If I use my computer and it becomes infected with a virus because I like to open every attachment (because somebody said they love me), which in turn sends nasty little virus laden e-mails to everyone in my address book, I'm not held accountable except by maybe one of my recipients. We as techies have the unfortunate burden of trying to educate the masses on what is good and bad, and until the day comes where a user can be held liable for their mis-actions on a machine, everyone suffers. See: http://www.msnbc.com/news/961943.asp?0dm=C14MT&cp1=1 and http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25845-2003Sep4?language=printer I've cross-posted this to TBOT so we can continue, it's definitely becoming a dead horse on TBUDL.. Thanks. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello MAU, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 5:13:30 AM, you wrote: M> As you may have read a few days ago in a thread with subject "My M> new 20 lines filter", you better start your text before line 20 or M> I will not read any of your messages (provided you care at all if I M> read them or not) ;-) Somebody is about > < <--(this close) to being beaten to a bloody pulp by three trouts simultaneously. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A new utility - POP3 bandwidth limiter
Hello Fernando, Thursday, September 11, 2003, 9:02:00 AM, you wrote: FPNC> I'm developing a bandwidth limiter for POP3 (I haven't find any FPNC> similar for free by now), useful for The Bat! as well as any FPNC> other POP3 client. It is very simple as I do not plan to release FPNC> it, but I want to know if it could be useful for other people FPNC> too so I would develope it a little more. I can develope a SMTP FPNC> bandwidth limiter too, although I do not need it. Is it a plugin? I'm interested only for the fact that it's a really cool idea. I use bandwidth throttling here at work on many different things (Notes replication, Altiris Notfication/Deployment servers etc). I'd like to play with it (I don't really need it, but I'd like to check it out). Thanks. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A new utility - POP3 bandwidth limiter
Hello Fernando, Thursday, September 11, 2003, 11:45:16 AM, you wrote: FPNC> You're welcome. Great, looking forward to it. Take your time, I'm not in dire need of it. FPNC> Best regards, FPNC> Fernando Nájera This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Fernando. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A new utility - POP3 bandwidth limiter
Hello Fernando, Thursday, September 11, 2003, 12:35:57 PM, you wrote: FPNC> Well, the space was there, I have checked it in the folder FPNC> template and there is a blank space after "--". So I don't know FPNC> why doesn't work. Maybe because I have upgraded to v2? DOH!!! DOH!!! DOH!!! I formally apologize to you. I'm sorry. I had replied to your message and just saw the regardsFernando Nájera and since I'm used to seeing that stuff (see my sig for example) below the cut mark, I mod'ed the message for sig delimiter. Your sig delimiter is correct and functioning as it should, it's just below your name. Again, sorry for the mod'ed post. I was wrong. Although, just for GPs, putting your regards and name under the delimiter means we won't have to cut it out when we reply. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A new utility - POP3 bandwidth limiter
Hello Dave, Thursday, September 11, 2003, 1:24:18 PM, you wrote: DK> As a recipient of the occasional dead fish, I'm retrieving them DK> from my super-secret storage location in preparation of a return DK> to sender. Phew! They really smell bad now! :) We (the moderators) have already got that angle covered, we spoofed our return address. Learned it from those spammer type people! -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: String search within results (to achieve Boolean AND)
Hello David, Friday, September 12, 2003, 2:19:31 PM, you wrote: DRA> What a great tip. That's excellent news, that Boolean works here. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I create the Junk Mail folder without using a plug-in?
Hello Christian, Monday, September 15, 2003, 9:11:41 AM, you wrote: CD> Yes it was. Thanks! However, I would still like to know if it is CD> possible somehow to create the Junk Mail "System folder" with the CD> red cross somehow without having a plug-in do it. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in
Hello Robert, Friday, September 12, 2003, 11:14:00 PM, you wrote: RS> Hello Spike, RS>Actually it depends on the digital sign used. If a thawte or RS>Verisign digital signature is used it means the sender took the RS>time to enter his/her password and send from his client. That is Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Robert. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with AVG upgrade
Hello Quin, Monday, September 15, 2003, 12:13:04 PM, you wrote: JJ>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JJ>> Hash: SHA1 QS> It works fine here. I ran into problems on another computer when QS> trying to update by the method you first mentioned. It's much QS> cleaner and safer to use the AVG Control Center for updating. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Carsten, Monday, September 15, 2003, 12:13:15 PM, you wrote: CT> Even? AFAIK you use news.cis.dfn.de or news.individual.de|net. Then CT> you *must* use valid e-mail addresses: CT> This is off-topic, isn't it? It's getting there. I've CC'd it to TBOT for you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Dial-Up, TB and Firewalls
Hello DG, DRS> Takes a matter of seconds to install a dropper on any system. DRS> Come back on-line with the same IP or stay on-line long enough DRS> and the hacker is on your dime, time and system. While a good topic, it's OT for TBUDL, it's been CC'd to TBOT. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out DG. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodic mail checking annoyance
Hello Pixie, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 7:08:18 AM, you wrote: P> I'm game. My current 'wishlist' however is dominated by more P> conventional items like worthy documentation and bug fixes. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v. 2 IMAP freezes program
Hello Benjamin, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 5:38:38 AM, you wrote: BS> what's the variable name for that string? Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Anne, Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 3:43:10 PM, you wrote: A> Not at all _old_ Miguel... just older than you used to be.. !!! ;-) Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Anne. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Antje, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 11:57:24 AM, you wrote: AL> I understand now that there are different opinions on this issue, AL> and that's what I wanted to know when I asked what you thought AL> about it. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Roelof, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 1:59:31 PM, you wrote: RO> Who's Christian and why should he feel singled out? ;-) I was dinking with the template earlier yesterday and I had cut and pasted from one I'd moderated. Forgot to fix it. Thanks for catching it. :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread Jumping
Hello Steve, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 3:44:45 PM, you wrote: SMS> Thanks, SMS> Steve SMS> SMS> Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: SMS> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Steve. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug-in (Was Re: Are there ANY (anti-spam) plug ins?)
Hello ken, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 4:39:39 PM, you wrote: k> -- k> ken Looks like you missed the space after the -- This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out ken. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug-in (Was Re: Are there ANY (anti-spam) plug ins?)
Hello ken, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 5:28:57 PM, you wrote: k> Thanks for the catch! I would have continued to miss that one had k> you not pointed it out. I was using a Quick template to reply below k> quotes and must have set up my sig incorrectly. No problem. That's what we're all here for. :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blocking Bat mail
Hello Gerard, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:22:32 AM, you wrote: E>> E>> Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: E>> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html G> I have attached my x-ray filter for changing the TB! X-mailer G> header. You should be able to import it into X-Ray This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gerard. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replying to messages to post new
Hello ken, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 12:48:49 PM, you wrote: kg> I've noticed the well-done moderator templates used for things kg> like reminding us to quote at bottom, configure signatures kg> correctly, etc. Thanks. kg> But I haven't seen anything for people who want to post a new kg> thread, and select a message, hit Reply, strip everything out, kg> insert new subject and body, then send. We do have one, see the bottom of the message. When we see someone blatantly change the topic by reply, we use the below template. However, for messages getting out of whack in view by reference, I have noticed that from time to time, but don't know exactly why it happens as I never really looked into the headers. I'll start paying attention to that to see what I can come up with. This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out ken. Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading mail client. See "View | View threads by | Reference" to see where it ended up. The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread instead of by all users. I recommend that you post your question again using a "New message" if you want to see more replies to your query. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: suggestion: logging for kill filters
Hello Chris, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 5:17:40 PM, you wrote: C> I think that that would be a great feature. If the developers were C> feeling particularly energetic, they could put a "Verbose Logging" C> option on the "Options" or "Advanced" tab in the "Sorting C> Office/Filters." This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: new mail at top/bottom
Hello Bill, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 6:13:58 PM, you wrote: BBTE> The same is true of things like eBay and dBASE. There is no need BBTE> to follow goofy capitalization in running text. Ebay and Dbase BBTE> are just fine. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Bill. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate
Hello Freddie, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 1:16:21 PM, you wrote: FF> What is the link to MyGate? http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: glyphs.bmp
Hello Steve, Friday, September 26, 2003, 2:40:36 PM, you wrote: SMK> Yes, that's what I mean. Some of the icons are easy to figure SMK> out, but some not. For example, I'd like the upload icon to SMK> change colors, say to red, when messages are waiting to upload. I SMK> know which icon starts the upload, but can I do the color change? SMK> A map of what each icon in glyphs.bmp stands for would really SMK> help. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Steve. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH> The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH> on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH> which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH> can see it doesn't). This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Andrew. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:47:53 AM, you wrote: CG> sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not CG> read. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hello Clive, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 12:28:29 AM, you wrote: CT> Maybe some of us need to be reminded about the list rules CT> constantly. For example, the message about inserting a sig CT> delimiter doesnt seem to have reached you yet :( *Exactly* the point! There are boatloads of lurkers on the lists. While everything is spelled out in the list rules that *everyone* gets when they subscribe, nobody ever seems to read them. Therefore, the lurkers would never know what's allowed and not allowed if it's not public. I've had this same conversation with Yuki off-list. Marck, Allie and I have been moderating the TB lists for ages now. We've just about tried every form and fashion of moderation known to mankind, and we stick with what works for us over the years. We still tweak here and now (i.e. the recent standardization of moderation messages for example), but for the most part what we're doing does work. Marck pointed out in his reply about users taking up the moderation when the moderators don't make it public. When we were privately moderating, it was unbelievable how much traffic was generated by users telling the person who did The Bad Thing (tm) that they violated the rules. We've been there and done that. We still use private moderation for sensitive issues, but those are much more rare occasions. Alas, what Marck said also is most true... We just like to hear ourselves talk. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hello Jack, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:10:28 PM, you wrote: JM> If I had a third thumb, you'd get that one, too. Thanks... JM> Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% JM> happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. Since I work for the gov't that makes it just fine! ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hello Melissa, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:52:30 PM, you wrote: MR> When it comes to typing, some of us are "all thumbs"...so I'll add MR> my extra thumbs to yours! :-) MR> By the way...shouldn't this thread be moved to TBOT? ;-) True enough Not that I think anybody would like to move to TBOT just to sing our praises! This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hello St, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 3:05:47 PM, you wrote: SMN> Point taken - but to those who don't follow TBOT, I'd like to SMN> say: Please spank me no more! Weeeny! I am a repentant! Have SMN> Mercy! :) Sorry, gotta do it one more time... The sig delimiter is: dash dash space It looks like you're missing the space afterwards. It's gotta be there. :-) This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out St. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Allen, Thursday, October 2, 2003, 6:54:44 AM, you wrote: A> Proper etiquette on this list is to have a cut line or signature A> delimiter. Your precede your signature with -- ( dot dot dash ). A> Most people on this list are, naturally, using The Bat!, and TB A> automatically truncates all text from the delimiter on down. Rather -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First impressions
Hello Mark, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:39:13 PM, you wrote: MW> V2 has proven to be *significantly* slower than previous versions, MW> especially in dealing with network issues. It easily takes 15 MW> seconds to respond when I try to delete a message - meanwhile TB's MW> CPU usage goes up to 30%. I can't confirm. I just copied over all of my TBBETA messages to a folder (4,575 of them), then did CTRL-* to expand all the threads, CTRL-A to highlight all, and then pressed the DEL key. it took less than 6 seconds. To further check (just in case weirdness of copying messages), I selected all the messages in my Kerio Firewall list folder (2,617 messages) and deleted all of them (less than 5 seconds). I haven't read the Kerio List since their new pay version came out, so it was no big loss. Even deleting a single message, it was pretty much instantaneous. MW> Also, folder event updates don't seem to propagate around the MW> network. When the server receives a new message or when a message MW> goes out from the outbox the client machines never receive an MW> update. I have to move the focus to each individual folder to see MW> if there's anything new. Not sure what you mean here. IMAP? I'm just using POP3 to pull down messages from the Domino server, and TB correctly updates all folders and message ticker. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Allen, Thursday, October 2, 2003, 8:50:03 AM, you wrote: LG>> Rather A> I think I deserve a fish. S'ok. ... We'll just pretend that you were in the middle of a heavy Morse Code conversation, and you mistakenly spelled out the letter "U". :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First impressions
Hello Mark, Thursday, October 2, 2003, 12:50:49 PM, you wrote: MW> Oh, all right... I also see that you've got a 2GHz Pentium 4 and MW> I'm still sitting here with a 400MHz PII... wanna trade? Uhm Lesse. Uhm. No!!! MW> I've got TB running in server mode on my win2k server and in MW> TCP-less client mode on the workstations. V2 for me pulls down MW> email properly on the server machine and sends outgoing mail, but MW> the workstations never see that new mail has come in or that the MW> outboxes have gotten emptied unless I move the focus to the MW> specific folder. Rather a pain. Ahhh. Can't confirm or deny that one. Not running in that mode. Wish you luck. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %PUT or %INCLUDE
Hello Gerrit, Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:36:05 AM, you wrote: GK> Don't seem to find any difference between %PUT and %INCLUDE, but GK> that seems unlikely. Does anyone know of any difference between GK> the two? Yes, IIRC, Put will just dump the contents of a file into the e-mail message (canned messages), include will also dump the contents of a file into the e-mail, but you can have macro statements in the text file which will activate during its placement. So, with the include, you can have dynamic "puts". I use them in my mailing list to do things like auto-enter time, date, etc. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Marck, Friday, October 3, 2003, 5:33:19 AM, you wrote: MDP> I am personally indifferent about the cut mark rule but Leif is MDP> not and I support him fully, mostly for the reason I just stated. Ouch, I'm the bad guy! Again, not using a cut mark was something we've already tried. If people properly trimmed the list footer and signatures from their replies, then I would have no problem doing away with the cut mark. However, people generally don't and therefore we get a fifth level reply with five list footers and five sigs. Then that starts up the whole roar over people who have to pay for bandwidth by the amount they've downloaded (not flat rate). As for why you (Pranav) believe the list is rude and unfriendly, please, by all means show us where. Maybe we missed it. Maybe you misinterpreted. Who knows, but show us why you believe it to be rude and unfriendly rather than just saying it is and expecting anyone to believe you. As for some of the people who said they check over your messages many times before sending. Why? A very simple template fixes everything. It'll put the cursor in the right spot automatically so you don't top post, it'll automatically put in a cut mark so your sig and list footers get removed when someone replies. It won't help much in overquoting, but it seems like relatively common sense. Get rid of anything that doesn't pertain to what you're commenting on. i.e. quoting the line "On Friday, December 23, 2009, 10:00:00 AM, you wrote" doesn't do anything other than clutter up the reply. Quoting the "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1" stuff is in the same boat. The template is simple, here's mine: Hello %OFromFName, %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: %Quotes %Cursor <-- Done for the RTV viewers so it looks normal. Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
