[NMCAVER] Enchantment cover photo
Last night I was looking at the September Enchantment newspaper, Voice of NM Rural Electric Co-ops for those of you having PNM or other power sources. The woman climbing, shown on the cover photo titled Dancing with Rocks, sure looked familiar. Its former NM caver/climber/diver Tanja Pietrass climbing near Socorro! Tanja, you go! jtml ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
texascavers Digest 1 Sep 2010 19:58:24 -0000 Issue 1143
texascavers Digest 1 Sep 2010 19:58:24 - Issue 1143 Topics (messages 15914 through 15931): Re: Purificacion related ( I think ) 15914 by: Gill Edigar 15915 by: Frank Binney Re: Cave Lighting Install 15916 by: Gerry and Cindy Geletzke new book available from AMCS 15917 by: Mixon Bill off topic - last night for Blue Monday on KUT after 29 years 15918 by: Logan McNatt 15920 by: Gill Edigar for you kayakers 15919 by: David Laguna de Sanchez road working trip 15921 by: Sheryl Rieck 15922 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 15926 by: Nico Escamilla White Nose Syndrome video prepared by Texas Parks and Wildlife 15923 by: Geary Schindel Honeycreek trip Sept 18th 15924 by: Kurt L. Menking Caving conferences down south 15925 by: George Veni Forests and Deserts to UT Grotto meeting 15927 by: Mixon Bill Bedbugs, bats and caves in Science (NY) Times 15928 by: caverarch.aol.com a new LED flashlight review 15929 by: David excellent compact caver car for sale (Austin) 15930 by: Saj Zappitello Gary Franklin 15931 by: Nico Escamilla Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:16 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: There is a town along the highway to Ciudad Victoria called Hidalgo. It is just northeast of the Purificacion area. The mayor of that town was found shot to death today. Geography lesson for the day. The city of Hidalgo is as you described it. It is also the seat of government for the Municipio de Hidalgo (more or less the status of a county in Texas) which, by chance, is the Municipio in which Conrado Castillo exists politically, though in the farthest southwest corner. The owners and inhabitants of Conrado Castillo have always been treated like an orphan child out in the far reaches of the boondocks by the perpetually corrupt government in Hidalgo. I think this is not the first mayor that's been shot there in the past 50 years. Being a local politician in Mexico is fraught with much fear and uncertainty. The perceived rewards of office must make them worth running for. After all, not everybody dies in office. Most walk away rich--or richer, at least--than when they entered though not without some ulcers. --Ediger ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- One of my favorite films about the potential rewards and fatal pitfalls of being a small town mayor in rural Mexico is La ley de Herodes (Herod's Law). You can find it on Netflix if your local video store doesn't have it. It's a very funny satirical look at political corruption that will be especially relevant to those oldsters among us who remember when Mexico was essentially a one-party system under PRI. --Frank Binney On 8/30/10 5:08 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:16 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: There is a town along the highway to Ciudad Victoria called Hidalgo. It is just northeast of the Purificacion area. The mayor of that town was found shot to death today. Geography lesson for the day. The city of Hidalgo is as you described it. It is also the seat of government for the Municipio de Hidalgo (more or less the status of a county in Texas) which, by chance, is the Municipio in which Conrado Castillo exists politically, though in the farthest southwest corner. The owners and inhabitants of Conrado Castillo have always been treated like an orphan child out in the far reaches of the boondocks by the perpetually corrupt government in Hidalgo. I think this is not the first mayor that's been shot there in the past 50 years. Being a local politician in Mexico is fraught with much fear and uncertainty. The perceived rewards of office must make them worth running for. After all, not everybody dies in office. Most walk away rich--or richer, at least--than when they entered though not without some ulcers. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Charles, James Brown, Lydia Hernandez, Scott Kyle and I hauled Jame's dive gear to the sump. The film crew set up on the ledge overlooking the mud dome and on the mud dome overlooking the sump. James was expecting somebody to bring tarps to the cavern to cover a portion of the mud slope down to the sump but they did not arrive. As a result, James made the decision to dive the pool at the sump
[Texascavers] Gary Franklin
For those interested Gary called me, he made it out of Laguna de Sanchez with the van and is on his way to Austin might even get there in time to make the grotto meeting. my advice to the owners of the other two vehicles still there would be to come down and get them out as soon as possible before it rains and the fragile road gets washed again. Nico
Re: [Texascavers] Gary Franklin
Thanks for the update, Nico. I hope he makes it back in time for the UT Grotto meeting tonight. It should be a really interesting trip report! Rod -Original Message- From: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2010 3:54 PM To: Mailing List Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Gary Franklin For those interested Gary called me, he made it out of Laguna de Sanchez with the van and is on his way to Austin might even get there in time to make the grotto meeting. my advice to the owners of the other two vehicles still there would be to come down and get them out as soon as possible before it rains and the fragile road gets washed again. Nico - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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[NMCAVER] Fw: [Texascavers] Little Brown Bats--WNS
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net Subject: [Texascavers] Little Brown Bats--WNS To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:13 AM Fungus Likely to Wipe Out Common Bat in Northeast United States Juicy bits: Now, researchers report in the 6 August issue of Science that the rate of decline is so severe it could cause one bat species to vanish from the northeastern United States within 16 years, potentially hurting agriculture and forests. In the team's worst-case scenario, which assumes that 45% of the little brown bat population continues to die each winter, there is a 99% probability of regional extinction within 16 years. That hit us like a brick, Kunz says. (The little brown bat lives throughout North America, so the species itself won't go extinct). If mortality declines to 10%, some little brown bats would last for 80 years, but the population would be dramatically smaller. Another stop-gap approach is for people in the northeast to build simple bat houses. By offering smaller, warmer summer habitat for bats, these houses could boost the odds that bats will reproduce successfully, Kunz suggests. In the long term, the best hope is that the bats develop resistance to the fungus. Kunz thinks there may be hints that this is already happening in two colonies near Boston, which have seen fewer bat deaths this past winter. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/08/fungus-likely-to-wipe-out-common.html or http://tinyurl.com/24x3634 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] excellent compact caver car for sale (Austin)
Howdy, I am selling my 1994 Acura Integra. It is a 2-door hatchback, compact on the outside, and with way more space on the inside than you would expect--perfect for a caver looking for a compact car. I know we all love our trucks, but sometimes a car is just more efficient. It had a new honda engine put in by a mechanic that I trust just before I bought it a few years ago, so it has a lot of life left in it. Black, manual transmission, AC works, tinted windows, moonroof, drives great, some superficial dents to exterior. $3000 firm. I love this car and am sad to see it go. I would like to sell it to someone who will enjoy it as much as I have. Email me off list for pics and details sajar...@gmail.com. ~Saj
[Texascavers] Spanish 102 for cavers
Here is a real caving newsstory in Spanish that was posted a few days ago. http://www.levante-emv.com/comunitat-valenciana/2010/08/14/espeleologos-valencianos-exploran-cueva-profunda-mundo/730685.html You might be able to pick up a new Spanish word, if you try to read the article. I don't know if the adjective todoterreno is used in Mexico, but in Spain it is a person who is has excellent skills at everything. So in this article, the caver being interviewed is describing his colleague, Jorge Membado, ( who is in Krubera Cave ) as a caver that is a skilled vertical caver.Do we have a single word in English to describe such a caver? The literal translation would be he is an all-terrain guy.Maybe, he is a MacGyver?Or, he is like a Swiss-Army Knife? Todoterreno is not an easy word to pronounce for gringos.The letter d is pronounced kind of like th, but with tip of the tongue touching the whole roof of the mouth. All the o's are like in taco.The t's are different, also. You have to move the tip of the tongue slightly back in the roof of the mouth than you would in English. And of course, you roll the rr.Both e's are like the e in egg. The letter n is not like in the English word no, but more like in the way we pronounce the n in bologna ( sandwich ). Also, the syllable te in the middle of the word gets pronounced slightly louder than the rest of the word. That is why when Spanish speakers speak perfectly good English it still sounds funny. Try teaching someone who doesn't know English, why the 2 words: closet and closed are pronounced entirely different.Why is the s pronounced like a z.It can be difficult to remember all those kind of rules for a new English speaker.There are fewer rules like that in Spanish. There is not a z sound in Spanish, so this gives the Spanish speakers trouble. Not only do Spanish speakers coming here have difficulty with formal English, they hear a large percentage of Americans saying things, like Ima gonna gi-etchu, and you kain't have dat, and the most popular currently seems to be dayum.The one I hear a lot is, You can't have no sex today. David Locklear Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencia,_Spain - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Spanish 102 for cavers
ask anyone here who knows me if I sound funny. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:45 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: That is why when Spanish speakers speak perfectly good English it still sounds funny. David Locklear Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencia,_Spain - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob
Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - From: Robert B To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob
Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
Sorry John, I beg to differ. On most cameras, the plastic body shatters into millions of tiny pieces after a 120 foot drop but the metal body of the Tough Camera just turns into a twisted mass. That equates to fewer parts to pick up. Allan - Original Message - From: John Greer To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - From: Robert B To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 01:34:00
Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
while I do not own the olympus I've seen one in action, they're pretty decent but the picture quality leaves a lot to be desired.. its ok if you plan to upload your photos to facebook where you cant zoom at all, but once you zoom in 80% you'll see what Im talking about. Get the Cannon powershot D10, similar or better performance and better picture quality. Nico On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Sorry John, I beg to differ. On most cameras, the plastic body shatters into millions of tiny pieces after a 120 foot drop but the metal body of the Tough Camera just turns into a twisted mass. That equates to fewer parts to pick up. Allan - Original Message - *From:* John Greer jgr...@greerservices.com *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - *From:* Robert B robert.c.b1...@gmail.com *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 01:34:00
Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
I like my Canon Powershot D10, it takes fine photos for a point-and- shoot. The Canon Powershots tend to have nicer lenses than the Olympus waterproof point-and-shoot cameras. I've taken mine into Honey Creek and other water caves, the biggest problem is you need a way to clean the mud off the lens cover before taking a photo, and it's subject to lens fogging, but what waterproof camera isn't? This camera does not have a hotshoe mount, but you can still use external flashes with the camera timer. I carry it on my belt in a small soft bag that was designed for a GPS. The drawback of this model is it's not small and rectangular (it's quite thick due to the waterproof housing for the zoom lens), so there's no small, precisely sized Otter Box or Pelican Case for it. If I need to protect it from shock, I put it inside a Darren drum instead. Even the Olympus Tough Cameras will get damaged from a crushing blow; the LCD screens are often the weak point of the camera. Maybe you need to rethink how you carry your camera while in the cave. The Pentax Optio WP will fit nicely into a small Pelican case that can be clipped to a belt loop. Diana On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: while I do not own the olympus I've seen one in action, they're pretty decent but the picture quality leaves a lot to be desired.. its ok if you plan to upload your photos to facebook where you cant zoom at all, but once you zoom in 80% you'll see what Im talking about. Get the Cannon powershot D10, similar or better performance and better picture quality. Nico On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Sorry John, I beg to differ. On most cameras, the plastic body shatters into millions of tiny pieces after a 120 foot drop but the metal body of the Tough Camera just turns into a twisted mass. That equates to fewer parts to pick up. Allan - Original Message - From: John Greer To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - From: Robert B To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 01:34:00 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
Below photographs taken with Olympus Stylus Tough 8010 http://www.flickr.com/photos/9251644@N06/4525530367/ The above photo is an example of ample lighting conditions with a less then amateur photographer http://www.flickr.com/photos/9251644@N06/4526175096/ This photograph I included to illustrate the length of the attached flash. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9251644@N06/4525539023/ My absolute favorite photo ever taken On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I like my Canon Powershot D10, it takes fine photos for a point-and-shoot. The Canon Powershots tend to have nicer lenses than the Olympus waterproof point-and-shoot cameras. I've taken mine into Honey Creek and other water caves, the biggest problem is you need a way to clean the mud off the lens cover before taking a photo, and it's subject to lens fogging, but what waterproof camera isn't? This camera does not have a hotshoe mount, but you can still use external flashes with the camera timer. I carry it on my belt in a small soft bag that was designed for a GPS. The drawback of this model is it's not small and rectangular (it's quite thick due to the waterproof housing for the zoom lens), so there's no small, precisely sized Otter Box or Pelican Case for it. If I need to protect it from shock, I put it inside a Darren drum instead. Even the Olympus Tough Cameras will get damaged from a crushing blow; the LCD screens are often the weak point of the camera. Maybe you need to rethink how you carry your camera while in the cave. The Pentax Optio WP will fit nicely into a small Pelican case that can be clipped to a belt loop. Diana On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: while I do not own the olympus I've seen one in action, they're pretty decent but the picture quality leaves a lot to be desired.. its ok if you plan to upload your photos to facebook where you cant zoom at all, but once you zoom in 80% you'll see what Im talking about. Get the Cannon powershot D10, similar or better performance and better picture quality. Nico On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Sorry John, I beg to differ. On most cameras, the plastic body shatters into millions of tiny pieces after a 120 foot drop but the metal body of the Tough Camera just turns into a twisted mass. That equates to fewer parts to pick up. Allan - Original Message - From: John Greer To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - From: Robert B To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 01:34:00 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
We've been using the Canon PowerShot D10 for about a year now, and it takes much better pictures than other point-and-shoot cameras I've seen. As Diana says, it's a bit thick, but that isn't generally a problem. The fact that the flash is recessed relative to the lens makes for fewer of those white circles due to dust or water droplets that plague similar cameras. It is quite robust and has held up well to caving with moderate care. Several of my friends have adopted it and seem to like it. I recommend it. Mark Minton On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I like my Canon Powershot D10, it takes fine photos for a point-and-shoot. The Canon Powershots tend to have nicer lenses than the Olympus waterproof point-and-shoot cameras. I've taken mine into Honey Creek and other water caves, the biggest problem is you need a way to clean the mud off the lens cover before taking a photo, and it's subject to lens fogging, but what waterproof camera isn't? This camera does not have a hotshoe mount, but you can still use external flashes with the camera timer. I carry it on my belt in a small soft bag that was designed for a GPS. The drawback of this model is it's not small and rectangular (it's quite thick due to the waterproof housing for the zoom lens), so there's no small, precisely sized Otter Box or Pelican Case for it. If I need to protect it from shock, I put it inside a Darren drum instead. Even the Olympus Tough Cameras will get damaged from a crushing blow; the LCD screens are often the weak point of the camera. Maybe you need to rethink how you carry your camera while in the cave. The Pentax Optio WP will fit nicely into a small Pelican case that can be clipped to a belt loop. Diana On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: while I do not own the olympus I've seen one in action, they're pretty decent but the picture quality leaves a lot to be desired.. its ok if you plan to upload your photos to facebook where you cant zoom at all, but once you zoom in 80% you'll see what Im talking about. Get the Cannon powershot D10, similar or better performance and better picture quality. Nico On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Sorry John, I beg to differ. On most cameras, the plastic body shatters into millions of tiny pieces after a 120 foot drop but the metal body of the Tough Camera just turns into a twisted mass. That equates to fewer parts to pick up. Allan - Original Message - From: John Greer To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - From: Robert B To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
Erin dropped hers from 2 feet, onto the wood floor and the screen cracked. Not so tough. On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Robert B wrote: After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Pathfinder again
No one on Craigslist wants this thing, either, so I'm going to make one more stab at Cavetex. If anyone wants to spare this venerable caving vehicle the ignominy of going over the scales at Newell Salvage, (unless Carmax will take it, which I doubt) I'll entertain any offer, reasonable or unreasonable. It seems to me that an inspectable vehicle should be worth $500.00 so I'll start the asking there, but seriously, I just need this thing out of my driveway and off of my insurance. In another week, it gets crushed. 1991 Nissan Pathfinder SE V6 4WD Standard transmission 224,200 miles --- Features: Solid off-road performance -- great granny gear, climbs well, does okay in mud. Decent clearance. 17 mpg city / 21 hwy. if you don't drive like a maniac. Yes, it has NO air conditioning. Needs compressor. Better-than-average after-market stereo, w. 6x9's in the back Pioneer power amp. iPod™ ready. Burns a little oil -- 1 quart per 500 miles, or so. Just inspected today. White color reflects heat and hides mud. 6 wheels - 5 full size, 1 space-saver bigger-than-donut, smaller- than-normal. 3 out of 4 electric windows roll both up and down. Passenger rear window is stuck up. Pre-dented for your convenience. Previous owner somehow managed to burn a perfect Oztotl into the dash with the cigarette lighter. NSS life members can keep the yellow license plate dealie on the front. Recent repairs: Rear brake shoes and drums 2000 miles ago Cap, rotor, spark plugs wires shock absorbers 4000 miles ago. Clutch Master Cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, brake master cylinder 9000 miles ago. Needs: Tires within 10,000 miles. Some front-end work: mechanic suggested front axels. Probably ~$400.00 worth of work. I have a pretty complete repair history, and it has seen only two mechanics since I bought it -- Charlie Savvas, and Dave at Tower Automotive at 6th Lamar. Call Chris @512-289-3510 and DRIVE IT HOME TODAY!
