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As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List:p...@caver.net From:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net Subject: PBSS Meeting for June 2011 Reason: Too many recipients to the message At your convenience, visit: http://caver.net/mailman/admindb/pbss_caver.net to approve or deny the request. ---BeginMessage--- You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discussion for the upcoming meeting at Convention. [The presentation to the Sibley Center of our $100+ dollars of caving books we purchased from the NSS Library is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. at the Sibley Center] Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Any and all are welcome! For further infomation about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Jacqui Thomas jlrbi...@sonoratx.net, or Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. National Speleological Society web page: http://www.caves.org/ Texas Speleological Association web page: http://www.cavetexas.org Southwestern Region of the NSS web page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/ ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply.---End Message---
[Texascavers] PBSS Meeting for June 2011
You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discussion for the upcoming meeting at Convention. [The presentation to the Sibley Center of our $100+ dollars of caving books we purchased from the NSS Library is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. at the Sibley Center] Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Any and all are welcome! For further infomation about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Jacqui Thomas jlrbi...@sonoratx.net, or Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. National Speleological Society web page: http://www.caves.org/ Texas Speleological Association web page: http://www.cavetexas.org Southwestern Region of the NSS web page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[PBSS] Expired PBSS memberships
Greetings, The following persons need to pay their PBSS dues... Carroll, Arlon Dizon, Chris Fincher, J.D. Franks, Steve Franks, Brenda Gashette, Dustin Gray, Mike Hales, Lori A. Hancock, Jon Hayes, Donna Hunnicutt, Sam Hunnicutt, Colin Kamon, Ken Lankford, Jamie Long, Kelly Long, Sharon Machicek, Tracey Metcalf, Rule Metcalf, Caroline Miller, Herman Moore, Dwaine Pando, Noel Pando, Noel Jr Perry, Karen Rodgers, Landa Stanton, Edith Woolfolk, Alysa Either pay by check or using PayPal http://www.caver.net/pbss/join.html Thanks, Bill___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 - Issue 1332 Topics (messages 18022 through 18033): Re: tourist cars in Mexico 18022 by: Mark Minton Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures 18023 by: R D Milhollin Headlamp question 18024 by: Mallory Mayeux 18025 by: Don Arburn 18026 by: Allan B. Cobb 18027 by: Tim Stich 18028 by: Allan B. Cobb 18029 by: Tim Stich 18030 by: Herman Miller 18031 by: caverarch 18032 by: Josh Rubinstein 18033 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- I think Peter Strickland may have paid the cash bond one time and successfully recovered the money (or most of it) upon leaving Mexico. I was not aware that there was an official requirement to exit Mexico through the same border station that one entered through. I certainly never paid attention to that and never had a problem, even as recently as a couple of years ago. Never heard of anyone having that problem. It seems especially unnecessary now that they have all of the border stations linked by computer and can easily cross check permits issued elsewhere. I couldn't find the Spanish equivalent of the page Bill referenced but I did find a Spanish FAQ, and it simply said that you have to cancel the permit at one of the border stations rather than online. There was no mention that it had to be the same one where you entered. That page was on the Banjercito site (which actually processes the vehicle permits) rather than the consular one: http://www.banjercito.com.mx/site/siteBanjer/Bicentenario/iitv/con_preg_frec.html. It's ridiculous that there is still a $50 limit on other items besides luggage that one may take into Mexico. That must not have been updated for at least 20 years. These days you couldn't take hardly anything, like an iPod, cell phone, GPS or nearly any piece of caving gear without going over the limit. Of course I've never seen that enforced either. They occasionally balk when they see large amounts of new gear for expeditions, but even then a bit of talk and maybe a brochure paves the way. Interesting to see the requirement for anyone under 18 travelling without parents needing a notarized permission letter. I had to have one of those on my first caving trip to Mexico back in 1968 when I was 17. Mark Minton At 03:26 PM 6/12/2011, Mixon Bill wrote: I'm not sure that the alleged recent rule about deposits on cars taken into Mexico is anything new. The purpose of using a credit card to pay for the car permit has always been to allow the Mexican government to charge to it a fee if the car is left in Mexico. A cash bond was only required if you didn't have a recognized credit card. I don't know whether that actually ever happened. The rule apparently also is that you have to turn in your vehicle papers and leave the country at the same point you entered it, but I've never heard of that being enforced. See http://portal.sre.gob.mx/was_eng/index.php?option=displaypageItemid=62op=pageSubMenu Of course, whether the Mexican Embassy knows what it's talking about may be dubious. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- lifted and edited from the mocaves list... This is your opportunity to make your opinion on WNS and federal cave closures known on actual floor of Congress; to the House Natural Resources Committee, Subcommittee on Fish, Wildlife, and Insular Affairs. Please spread this email as far and wide as you can. Talk about it in your grottos. Make sure your officers see this, and that a response is sent to Peter ASAP, so he can add your insight to the information he is amassing. Peter Youngbaer, NSS WNS Liaison has been asked to testify and let Congress know the cavers' viewpoint at the end of June. Mr. Youngbaer is also with the Northeast Cave Conservancy, the cave conservancy which covers upper New York state, site of the first WNS cases. He needs support from Texas cavers letting Congress know, in no uncertain terms, what we think of federal WNS management decisions. He needs Texas cavers to spread the word, and get him some usable data and opinion to support the cavers' case that cave closure needs to be on a targeted basis, and that with proper care, cavers are NOT a threat to bats. Responses should be directed to NSS WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer, at wnsliai...@caves.org as soon as possible. It does not matter if you are an NSS member or not. If so, mentioned it, but if you wild cave in Texas, he
[Texascavers] Headlamp question
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
You could always search around the Lost Petzl Cave System for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 , when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14 was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stichmailto:timstic...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobbmailto:a...@oztotl.com Cc: Don Arburnmailto:donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeuxmailto:mmay...@gmail.com ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.commailto:mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] CACANP
For those interested, we had to evacuate Carlsbad Caverns National Park due to fire incroaching on the vistor center. The rangers where great, had everyone out of the cave in 1 hour. The fire seems to have started along the scenic loop road and is now in Rattlesnake Lechuguilla Canyons and may have or is expected to jump into Walnut Canyon. When I was leaving I could see the Flames coming up the gully about 50 yards from the main road just before the loop road turn-off. Tonight I can see the flames from my backyard, in town! Please pray we get some rain! This will be the 6th major fire in the Guads since the end of April. And to top it all off, y'all have our bats! We are only seeing about 200 each night when it should be 250 to 350 THOUSAND! Karen
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As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List:p...@caver.net From:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net Subject: PBSS Meeting for June 2011 Reason: Too many recipients to the message At your convenience, visit: http://caver.net/mailman/admindb/pbss_caver.net to approve or deny the request. ---BeginMessage--- You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discussion for the upcoming meeting at Convention. [The presentation to the Sibley Center of our $100+ dollars of caving books we purchased from the NSS Library is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. at the Sibley Center] Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Any and all are welcome! For further infomation about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Jacqui Thomas jlrbi...@sonoratx.net, or Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. National Speleological Society web page: http://www.caves.org/ Texas Speleological Association web page: http://www.cavetexas.org Southwestern Region of the NSS web page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/ ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply.---End Message---
[Texascavers] PBSS Meeting for June 2011
You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discussion for the upcoming meeting at Convention. [The presentation to the Sibley Center of our $100+ dollars of caving books we purchased from the NSS Library is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. at the Sibley Center] Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Any and all are welcome! For further infomation about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Jacqui Thomas jlrbi...@sonoratx.net, or Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. National Speleological Society web page: http://www.caves.org/ Texas Speleological Association web page: http://www.cavetexas.org Southwestern Region of the NSS web page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[PBSS] Expired PBSS memberships
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texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 - Issue 1332 Topics (messages 18022 through 18033): Re: tourist cars in Mexico 18022 by: Mark Minton Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures 18023 by: R D Milhollin Headlamp question 18024 by: Mallory Mayeux 18025 by: Don Arburn 18026 by: Allan B. Cobb 18027 by: Tim Stich 18028 by: Allan B. Cobb 18029 by: Tim Stich 18030 by: Herman Miller 18031 by: caverarch 18032 by: Josh Rubinstein 18033 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- I think Peter Strickland may have paid the cash bond one time and successfully recovered the money (or most of it) upon leaving Mexico. I was not aware that there was an official requirement to exit Mexico through the same border station that one entered through. I certainly never paid attention to that and never had a problem, even as recently as a couple of years ago. Never heard of anyone having that problem. It seems especially unnecessary now that they have all of the border stations linked by computer and can easily cross check permits issued elsewhere. I couldn't find the Spanish equivalent of the page Bill referenced but I did find a Spanish FAQ, and it simply said that you have to cancel the permit at one of the border stations rather than online. There was no mention that it had to be the same one where you entered. That page was on the Banjercito site (which actually processes the vehicle permits) rather than the consular one: http://www.banjercito.com.mx/site/siteBanjer/Bicentenario/iitv/con_preg_frec.html. It's ridiculous that there is still a $50 limit on other items besides luggage that one may take into Mexico. That must not have been updated for at least 20 years. These days you couldn't take hardly anything, like an iPod, cell phone, GPS or nearly any piece of caving gear without going over the limit. Of course I've never seen that enforced either. They occasionally balk when they see large amounts of new gear for expeditions, but even then a bit of talk and maybe a brochure paves the way. Interesting to see the requirement for anyone under 18 travelling without parents needing a notarized permission letter. I had to have one of those on my first caving trip to Mexico back in 1968 when I was 17. Mark Minton At 03:26 PM 6/12/2011, Mixon Bill wrote: I'm not sure that the alleged recent rule about deposits on cars taken into Mexico is anything new. The purpose of using a credit card to pay for the car permit has always been to allow the Mexican government to charge to it a fee if the car is left in Mexico. A cash bond was only required if you didn't have a recognized credit card. I don't know whether that actually ever happened. The rule apparently also is that you have to turn in your vehicle papers and leave the country at the same point you entered it, but I've never heard of that being enforced. See http://portal.sre.gob.mx/was_eng/index.php?option=displaypageItemid=62op=pageSubMenu Of course, whether the Mexican Embassy knows what it's talking about may be dubious. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- lifted and edited from the mocaves list... This is your opportunity to make your opinion on WNS and federal cave closures known on actual floor of Congress; to the House Natural Resources Committee, Subcommittee on Fish, Wildlife, and Insular Affairs. Please spread this email as far and wide as you can. Talk about it in your grottos. Make sure your officers see this, and that a response is sent to Peter ASAP, so he can add your insight to the information he is amassing. Peter Youngbaer, NSS WNS Liaison has been asked to testify and let Congress know the cavers' viewpoint at the end of June. Mr. Youngbaer is also with the Northeast Cave Conservancy, the cave conservancy which covers upper New York state, site of the first WNS cases. He needs support from Texas cavers letting Congress know, in no uncertain terms, what we think of federal WNS management decisions. He needs Texas cavers to spread the word, and get him some usable data and opinion to support the cavers' case that cave closure needs to be on a targeted basis, and that with proper care, cavers are NOT a threat to bats. Responses should be directed to NSS WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer, at wnsliai...@caves.org as soon as possible. It does not matter if you are an NSS member or not. If so, mentioned it, but if you wild cave in Texas, he
[Texascavers] Headlamp question
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
You could always search around the Lost Petzl Cave System for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 , when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14 was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stichmailto:timstic...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobbmailto:a...@oztotl.com Cc: Don Arburnmailto:donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeuxmailto:mmay...@gmail.com ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.commailto:mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] CACANP
For those interested, we had to evacuate Carlsbad Caverns National Park due to fire incroaching on the vistor center. The rangers where great, had everyone out of the cave in 1 hour. The fire seems to have started along the scenic loop road and is now in Rattlesnake Lechuguilla Canyons and may have or is expected to jump into Walnut Canyon. When I was leaving I could see the Flames coming up the gully about 50 yards from the main road just before the loop road turn-off. Tonight I can see the flames from my backyard, in town! Please pray we get some rain! This will be the 6th major fire in the Guads since the end of April. And to top it all off, y'all have our bats! We are only seeing about 200 each night when it should be 250 to 350 THOUSAND! Karen
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As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List:p...@caver.net From:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net Subject: PBSS Meeting for June 2011 Reason: Too many recipients to the message At your convenience, visit: http://caver.net/mailman/admindb/pbss_caver.net to approve or deny the request. ---BeginMessage--- You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discussion for the upcoming meeting at Convention. [The presentation to the Sibley Center of our $100+ dollars of caving books we purchased from the NSS Library is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. at the Sibley Center] Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Any and all are welcome! For further infomation about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Jacqui Thomas jlrbi...@sonoratx.net, or Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. National Speleological Society web page: http://www.caves.org/ Texas Speleological Association web page: http://www.cavetexas.org Southwestern Region of the NSS web page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/ ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply.---End Message---
[Texascavers] PBSS Meeting for June 2011
You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discussion for the upcoming meeting at Convention. [The presentation to the Sibley Center of our $100+ dollars of caving books we purchased from the NSS Library is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. at the Sibley Center] Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Any and all are welcome! For further infomation about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Jacqui Thomas jlrbi...@sonoratx.net, or Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. National Speleological Society web page: http://www.caves.org/ Texas Speleological Association web page: http://www.cavetexas.org Southwestern Region of the NSS web page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[PBSS] Expired PBSS memberships
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texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 - Issue 1332 Topics (messages 18022 through 18033): Re: tourist cars in Mexico 18022 by: Mark Minton Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures 18023 by: R D Milhollin Headlamp question 18024 by: Mallory Mayeux 18025 by: Don Arburn 18026 by: Allan B. Cobb 18027 by: Tim Stich 18028 by: Allan B. Cobb 18029 by: Tim Stich 18030 by: Herman Miller 18031 by: caverarch 18032 by: Josh Rubinstein 18033 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- I think Peter Strickland may have paid the cash bond one time and successfully recovered the money (or most of it) upon leaving Mexico. I was not aware that there was an official requirement to exit Mexico through the same border station that one entered through. I certainly never paid attention to that and never had a problem, even as recently as a couple of years ago. Never heard of anyone having that problem. It seems especially unnecessary now that they have all of the border stations linked by computer and can easily cross check permits issued elsewhere. I couldn't find the Spanish equivalent of the page Bill referenced but I did find a Spanish FAQ, and it simply said that you have to cancel the permit at one of the border stations rather than online. There was no mention that it had to be the same one where you entered. That page was on the Banjercito site (which actually processes the vehicle permits) rather than the consular one: http://www.banjercito.com.mx/site/siteBanjer/Bicentenario/iitv/con_preg_frec.html. It's ridiculous that there is still a $50 limit on other items besides luggage that one may take into Mexico. That must not have been updated for at least 20 years. These days you couldn't take hardly anything, like an iPod, cell phone, GPS or nearly any piece of caving gear without going over the limit. Of course I've never seen that enforced either. They occasionally balk when they see large amounts of new gear for expeditions, but even then a bit of talk and maybe a brochure paves the way. Interesting to see the requirement for anyone under 18 travelling without parents needing a notarized permission letter. I had to have one of those on my first caving trip to Mexico back in 1968 when I was 17. Mark Minton At 03:26 PM 6/12/2011, Mixon Bill wrote: I'm not sure that the alleged recent rule about deposits on cars taken into Mexico is anything new. The purpose of using a credit card to pay for the car permit has always been to allow the Mexican government to charge to it a fee if the car is left in Mexico. A cash bond was only required if you didn't have a recognized credit card. I don't know whether that actually ever happened. The rule apparently also is that you have to turn in your vehicle papers and leave the country at the same point you entered it, but I've never heard of that being enforced. See http://portal.sre.gob.mx/was_eng/index.php?option=displaypageItemid=62op=pageSubMenu Of course, whether the Mexican Embassy knows what it's talking about may be dubious. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- lifted and edited from the mocaves list... This is your opportunity to make your opinion on WNS and federal cave closures known on actual floor of Congress; to the House Natural Resources Committee, Subcommittee on Fish, Wildlife, and Insular Affairs. Please spread this email as far and wide as you can. Talk about it in your grottos. Make sure your officers see this, and that a response is sent to Peter ASAP, so he can add your insight to the information he is amassing. Peter Youngbaer, NSS WNS Liaison has been asked to testify and let Congress know the cavers' viewpoint at the end of June. Mr. Youngbaer is also with the Northeast Cave Conservancy, the cave conservancy which covers upper New York state, site of the first WNS cases. He needs support from Texas cavers letting Congress know, in no uncertain terms, what we think of federal WNS management decisions. He needs Texas cavers to spread the word, and get him some usable data and opinion to support the cavers' case that cave closure needs to be on a targeted basis, and that with proper care, cavers are NOT a threat to bats. Responses should be directed to NSS WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer, at wnsliai...@caves.org as soon as possible. It does not matter if you are an NSS member or not. If so, mentioned it, but if you wild cave in Texas, he
[Texascavers] Headlamp question
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
You could always search around the Lost Petzl Cave System for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 , when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14 was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stichmailto:timstic...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobbmailto:a...@oztotl.com Cc: Don Arburnmailto:donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeuxmailto:mmay...@gmail.com ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.commailto:mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] CACANP
For those interested, we had to evacuate Carlsbad Caverns National Park due to fire incroaching on the vistor center. The rangers where great, had everyone out of the cave in 1 hour. The fire seems to have started along the scenic loop road and is now in Rattlesnake Lechuguilla Canyons and may have or is expected to jump into Walnut Canyon. When I was leaving I could see the Flames coming up the gully about 50 yards from the main road just before the loop road turn-off. Tonight I can see the flames from my backyard, in town! Please pray we get some rain! This will be the 6th major fire in the Guads since the end of April. And to top it all off, y'all have our bats! We are only seeing about 200 each night when it should be 250 to 350 THOUSAND! Karen
