[Texascavers] House Sub-Committee Hearing on WNS this Friday

[Mark Minton]

From VAR list (Cheryl Jones):

Mark your calendars!
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife, Oceans and Insular Affairs
Oversight Hearing on "Why We Should Care About Bats: Devastating
Impact White-Nose Syndrome is Having on One of Nature's Best Pest Controllers"
Friday, June 24, 2011 10:00 AM

http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=246794

WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer will be testifying on behalf of the NSS.

You're invited to the hearing, or you may watch live (or later) on
the Internet.
http://naturalresources.house.gov/Live/

Peter notes:

"For context, they are planning only one panel this time, with US
Fish and Wildlife, US Forest Service, US Geological Survey,
Bat Conservation International, and the NSS.  They
may also try to add a farm agency from USDA, but he said 'they don't
seem to be interested.'

The angle they are pursuing is, this was discovered 5 years ago, we
testified 2 years ago, how close are we to finding a solution after
states and the federal government have spent $25 million (their figure)."

Cheryl

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[Texascavers] House Sub-Committee Hearing on WNS this Friday

[Mark Minton]

From VAR list (Cheryl Jones):

Mark your calendars!
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife, Oceans and Insular Affairs
Oversight Hearing on "Why We Should Care About Bats: Devastating
Impact White-Nose Syndrome is Having on One of Nature's Best Pest Controllers"
Friday, June 24, 2011 10:00 AM

http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=246794

WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer will be testifying on behalf of the NSS.

You're invited to the hearing, or you may watch live (or later) on
the Internet.
http://naturalresources.house.gov/Live/

Peter notes:

"For context, they are planning only one panel this time, with US
Fish and Wildlife, US Forest Service, US Geological Survey,
Bat Conservation International, and the NSS.  They
may also try to add a farm agency from USDA, but he said 'they don't
seem to be interested.'

The angle they are pursuing is, this was discovered 5 years ago, we
testified 2 years ago, how close are we to finding a solution after
states and the federal government have spent $25 million (their figure)."

Cheryl

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[Texascavers] House Sub-Committee Hearing on WNS this Friday

[Mark Minton]

From VAR list (Cheryl Jones):

Mark your calendars!
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife, Oceans and Insular Affairs
Oversight Hearing on "Why We Should Care About Bats: Devastating
Impact White-Nose Syndrome is Having on One of Nature's Best Pest Controllers"
Friday, June 24, 2011 10:00 AM

http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=246794

WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer will be testifying on behalf of the NSS.

You're invited to the hearing, or you may watch live (or later) on
the Internet.
http://naturalresources.house.gov/Live/

Peter notes:

"For context, they are planning only one panel this time, with US
Fish and Wildlife, US Forest Service, US Geological Survey,
Bat Conservation International, and the NSS.  They
may also try to add a farm agency from USDA, but he said 'they don't
seem to be interested.'

The angle they are pursuing is, this was discovered 5 years ago, we
testified 2 years ago, how close are we to finding a solution after
states and the federal government have spent $25 million (their figure)."

Cheryl

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[Texascavers] Recall for Replacement: GRIGRI 2

[Mark Minton]

A problem with the Petzl Grigri 2 belay device could cause 
an accident:  


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[Mark Minton]

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Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

No, Diana. I can't commit to that, because at this point, it appears likely that I will be too busy helping with TCR to take on any other major tasks at that time (since I probably will be serving as "sound man" for the Terminal Syphons at TCR again, and that usually involves a lot of preparation in addition to keeping me busy throughout the TCR weekend). Since other people seem to be interested in arranging the BOG meeting in Texas, however, I simply am suggesting that they schedule the BOG meeting in a way that will make it easier for people to attend both the BOG meeting and TCR if they so desire. This scheduling suggestion applies regardless of which city is selected for the meeting. Others will have to decide whether it is better to locate the BOG meeting close to TCR and to caving opportunities or whether it is more important to locate it close to a major airline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.Rod-Original Message->From: Diana Tomchick >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PM>To: Rod Goke >Cc: Geary Schindel , Fritz Holt , David , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.>>Diana>>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *>Diana R. Tomchick>Associate Professor>University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center>Department of Biochemistry>5323 Harry Hines Blvd.>Rm. ND10.214B>Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.>Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>214-645-6383 (phone)>214-645-6353 (fax)On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting). Rod -Original Message->> >From: Geary Schindel>> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM>> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers>> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>> >>> >Folks,>> >>> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.>> >>> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.>> >>> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.>> >>> >Geary>> >>> >>> >>> >-Original Message->> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]>> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM>> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers>> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>> >>> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 20

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

No, Diana. I can't commit to that, because at this point, it appears likely that I will be too busy helping with TCR to take on any other major tasks at that time (since I probably will be serving as "sound man" for the Terminal Syphons at TCR again, and that usually involves a lot of preparation in addition to keeping me busy throughout the TCR weekend). Since other people seem to be interested in arranging the BOG meeting in Texas, however, I simply am suggesting that they schedule the BOG meeting in a way that will make it easier for people to attend both the BOG meeting and TCR if they so desire. This scheduling suggestion applies regardless of which city is selected for the meeting. Others will have to decide whether it is better to locate the BOG meeting close to TCR and to caving opportunities or whether it is more important to locate it close to a major airline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.Rod-Original Message->From: Diana Tomchick >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PM>To: Rod Goke >Cc: Geary Schindel , Fritz Holt , David , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.>>Diana>>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *>Diana R. Tomchick>Associate Professor>University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center>Department of Biochemistry>5323 Harry Hines Blvd.>Rm. ND10.214B>Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.>Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>214-645-6383 (phone)>214-645-6353 (fax)On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting). Rod -Original Message->> >From: Geary Schindel>> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM>> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers>> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>> >>> >Folks,>> >>> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.>> >>> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.>> >>> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.>> >>> >Geary>> >>> >>> >>> >-Original Message->> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]>> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM>> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers>> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>> >>> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 20

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

No, Diana. I can't commit to that, because at this point, it appears likely that I will be too busy helping with TCR to take on any other major tasks at that time (since I probably will be serving as "sound man" for the Terminal Syphons at TCR again, and that usually involves a lot of preparation in addition to keeping me busy throughout the TCR weekend). Since other people seem to be interested in arranging the BOG meeting in Texas, however, I simply am suggesting that they schedule the BOG meeting in a way that will make it easier for people to attend both the BOG meeting and TCR if they so desire. This scheduling suggestion applies regardless of which city is selected for the meeting. Others will have to decide whether it is better to locate the BOG meeting close to TCR and to caving opportunities or whether it is more important to locate it close to a major airline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.Rod-Original Message->From: Diana Tomchick >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PM>To: Rod Goke >Cc: Geary Schindel , Fritz Holt , David , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.>>Diana>>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *>Diana R. Tomchick>Associate Professor>University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center>Department of Biochemistry>5323 Harry Hines Blvd.>Rm. ND10.214B>Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.>Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>214-645-6383 (phone)>214-645-6353 (fax)On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting). Rod -Original Message->> >From: Geary Schindel>> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM>> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers>> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>> >>> >Folks,>> >>> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.>> >>> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.>> >>> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.>> >>> >Geary>> >>> >>> >>> >-Original Message->> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]>> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM>> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers>> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>> >>> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 20

[SWR] FW: {NMBWG} Fw: New WNS Study Indicates Bats Can Survive Infection

[Ken Harrington]

I got this from Jennifer Foote and feel that cavers should be aware of the 
study.  Jen is a very active member of the New Mexico Bat Working Group.  It 
shows that the world of bats may not be all doom and gloom after all. 

Ken











Bob Davies from the Colorado Division of Wildlife forwarded to the Colorado 
White Nose Syndrome Committee the following link this afternoon regarding a new 
study to be published in the new edition of the scientific Journal of Fish and 
Wildlife Management. The study indicates bats in New York state which have been 
infected with the Geomyces destructans pathogen and even have wing damage can 
survive and even successfully reproduce.
 
http://www.fwspubs.org/doi/pdf/10.3996/022011-JFWM-014
 
This study by Al Hicks and others suggests that some bats may have immunity to 
the fungus, which as Bob reports, is good news at a time when many bat 
biologists are stating as fact that all infected bats will die of the 
infection. There is a dramatic loss in numbers of bats through infection to be 
certain, but we may not necessarily be witnessing an extinction event.
 




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[SWR] FW: {NMBWG} Fw: New WNS Study Indicates Bats Can Survive Infection

[Ken Harrington]

I got this from Jennifer Foote and feel that cavers should be aware of the 
study.  Jen is a very active member of the New Mexico Bat Working Group.  It 
shows that the world of bats may not be all doom and gloom after all. 

Ken











Bob Davies from the Colorado Division of Wildlife forwarded to the Colorado 
White Nose Syndrome Committee the following link this afternoon regarding a new 
study to be published in the new edition of the scientific Journal of Fish and 
Wildlife Management. The study indicates bats in New York state which have been 
infected with the Geomyces destructans pathogen and even have wing damage can 
survive and even successfully reproduce.
 
http://www.fwspubs.org/doi/pdf/10.3996/022011-JFWM-014
 
This study by Al Hicks and others suggests that some bats may have immunity to 
the fungus, which as Bob reports, is good news at a time when many bat 
biologists are stating as fact that all infected bats will die of the 
infection. There is a dramatic loss in numbers of bats through infection to be 
certain, but we may not necessarily be witnessing an extinction event.
 




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[SWR] FW: {NMBWG} Fw: New WNS Study Indicates Bats Can Survive Infection

[Ken Harrington]

I got this from Jennifer Foote and feel that cavers should be aware of the 
study.  Jen is a very active member of the New Mexico Bat Working Group.  It 
shows that the world of bats may not be all doom and gloom after all. 

Ken











Bob Davies from the Colorado Division of Wildlife forwarded to the Colorado 
White Nose Syndrome Committee the following link this afternoon regarding a new 
study to be published in the new edition of the scientific Journal of Fish and 
Wildlife Management. The study indicates bats in New York state which have been 
infected with the Geomyces destructans pathogen and even have wing damage can 
survive and even successfully reproduce.
 
http://www.fwspubs.org/doi/pdf/10.3996/022011-JFWM-014
 
This study by Al Hicks and others suggests that some bats may have immunity to 
the fungus, which as Bob reports, is good news at a time when many bat 
biologists are stating as fact that all infected bats will die of the 
infection. There is a dramatic loss in numbers of bats through infection to be 
certain, but we may not necessarily be witnessing an extinction event.
 




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[Texascavers] Cavers Assist Bats

[dirtdoc]

Great! Some ammunition to fire back at those well-intentioned ignoramuses who 
are attacking cavers and the NSS convention. 





  

CAVERS ASSIST BATS IN DEVELOPING RESISTANCE AGAINST WNS. 





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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:38:24 PM 
Subject: [Texascavers] Some Bats Survive WNS

[Texascavers] Cavers Assist Bats

[dirtdoc]

Great! Some ammunition to fire back at those well-intentioned ignoramuses who 
are attacking cavers and the NSS convention. 





  

CAVERS ASSIST BATS IN DEVELOPING RESISTANCE AGAINST WNS. 





DirtDoc 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Minton"  
To: texascavers@texascavers.com, s...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:38:24 PM 
Subject: [Texascavers] Some Bats Survive WNS

[Texascavers] Cavers Assist Bats

[dirtdoc]

Great! Some ammunition to fire back at those well-intentioned ignoramuses who 
are attacking cavers and the NSS convention. 





  

CAVERS ASSIST BATS IN DEVELOPING RESISTANCE AGAINST WNS. 





DirtDoc 


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To: texascavers@texascavers.com, s...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:38:24 PM 
Subject: [Texascavers] Some Bats Survive WNS

[Texascavers] BOG meetings

[Mixon Bill]

Has there been a BOG meeting in Austin since 1977 or 1978, shortly  
before the 1978 convention? That's when the legendary Buda party  
occurred.


But, as has been noted, the BOG meeting lasts all day Saturday, and,  
with transportation time, doesn't leave a lot of time for anything  
else unless a BOG member wants to take Monday off work too.


RD called me about this question. Apparently there is a move afoot to  
involve the board in a Sunday discussion about the future of the NSS  
at its next non-convention meeting. (RD is chairman of the Long Range  
Planning Committee, a thankless job if there's ever been one.) To the  
extent that BOG members are willing to put up with that, it makes it  
even harder to do anything else that weekend besides the BOG meetings-- 
and of course the Saturday night party. We talked about Austin as a  
possibility, but the lack of direct flights to and from Austin would  
add a couple of hours' travel time on Sunday and make it even harder  
for BOG members to participate in a lengthy Sunday discussion. It  
seemed to me that a city with better connections, such as Dallas,  
Atlanta, or Chicago, would be a better bet for that meeting.


Aside from that, it certainly wouldn't be that hard to pull off a  
meeting here in Austex, sometime. -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] BOG meetings

[Mixon Bill]

Has there been a BOG meeting in Austin since 1977 or 1978, shortly  
before the 1978 convention? That's when the legendary Buda party  
occurred.


But, as has been noted, the BOG meeting lasts all day Saturday, and,  
with transportation time, doesn't leave a lot of time for anything  
else unless a BOG member wants to take Monday off work too.


RD called me about this question. Apparently there is a move afoot to  
involve the board in a Sunday discussion about the future of the NSS  
at its next non-convention meeting. (RD is chairman of the Long Range  
Planning Committee, a thankless job if there's ever been one.) To the  
extent that BOG members are willing to put up with that, it makes it  
even harder to do anything else that weekend besides the BOG meetings-- 
and of course the Saturday night party. We talked about Austin as a  
possibility, but the lack of direct flights to and from Austin would  
add a couple of hours' travel time on Sunday and make it even harder  
for BOG members to participate in a lengthy Sunday discussion. It  
seemed to me that a city with better connections, such as Dallas,  
Atlanta, or Chicago, would be a better bet for that meeting.


Aside from that, it certainly wouldn't be that hard to pull off a  
meeting here in Austex, sometime. -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] BOG meetings

[Mixon Bill]

Has there been a BOG meeting in Austin since 1977 or 1978, shortly  
before the 1978 convention? That's when the legendary Buda party  
occurred.


But, as has been noted, the BOG meeting lasts all day Saturday, and,  
with transportation time, doesn't leave a lot of time for anything  
else unless a BOG member wants to take Monday off work too.


RD called me about this question. Apparently there is a move afoot to  
involve the board in a Sunday discussion about the future of the NSS  
at its next non-convention meeting. (RD is chairman of the Long Range  
Planning Committee, a thankless job if there's ever been one.) To the  
extent that BOG members are willing to put up with that, it makes it  
even harder to do anything else that weekend besides the BOG meetings-- 
and of course the Saturday night party. We talked about Austin as a  
possibility, but the lack of direct flights to and from Austin would  
add a couple of hours' travel time on Sunday and make it even harder  
for BOG members to participate in a lengthy Sunday discussion. It  
seemed to me that a city with better connections, such as Dallas,  
Atlanta, or Chicago, would be a better bet for that meeting.


Aside from that, it certainly wouldn't be that hard to pull off a  
meeting here in Austex, sometime. -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] Some Bats Survive WNS

[Mark Minton]

Finally some hopeful news about WNS.  It has recently been 
shown that some infected bats can survive and reproduce, which 
provides hope that a resistant population will slowly build up.  See 
upcoming paper in the Journal of Fish and Wildlife 
Management: 
. The full 
paper is available as a free download.


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[Texascavers] Some Bats Survive WNS

[Mark Minton]

Finally some hopeful news about WNS.  It has recently been 
shown that some infected bats can survive and reproduce, which 
provides hope that a resistant population will slowly build up.  See 
upcoming paper in the Journal of Fish and Wildlife 
Management: 
. The full 
paper is available as a free download.


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[Texascavers] Some Bats Survive WNS

[Mark Minton]

Finally some hopeful news about WNS.  It has recently been 
shown that some infected bats can survive and reproduce, which 
provides hope that a resistant population will slowly build up.  See 
upcoming paper in the Journal of Fish and Wildlife 
Management: 
. The full 
paper is available as a free download.


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Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Diana Tomchick]

So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back 
the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot 
less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
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On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:

>
> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend 
> as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
> following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
> attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
> vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
> (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto 
> meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao 
> Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together 
> before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" 
> at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, 
> etc. after each Grotto meeting).
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Geary Schindel
> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
> >Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , 
> >Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
> >October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
> >business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
> >well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the 
> >need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on 
> >Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks 
> >are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG 
> >travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs 
> >are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). 
> >Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is 
> >also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar 
> >grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
> >
> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
> >libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
> >generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
> >web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
> >there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
> >spectators.
> >
> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
> >then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda 
> >some years ago.
> >
> >Geary
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
> >Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
> >Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
> >TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. 
> >Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date 
> >so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same 
> >trip if they felt like spending more time here?
> >
> >Rod
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >>From: Fritz Holt
> >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
> >>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
> >>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
> >>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >>
> >>David and other interested parties,
> >>
> >>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
> >>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that 
> >>the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that 
> >>may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit 
> >>a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin 
> >>that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
> >>David? Has your computer been on the fritz?
> 

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Diana Tomchick]

So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back 
the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot 
less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:

>
> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend 
> as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
> following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
> attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
> vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
> (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto 
> meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao 
> Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together 
> before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" 
> at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, 
> etc. after each Grotto meeting).
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Geary Schindel
> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
> >Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , 
> >Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
> >October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
> >business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
> >well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the 
> >need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on 
> >Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks 
> >are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG 
> >travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs 
> >are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). 
> >Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is 
> >also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar 
> >grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
> >
> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
> >libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
> >generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
> >web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
> >there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
> >spectators.
> >
> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
> >then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda 
> >some years ago.
> >
> >Geary
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
> >Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
> >Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
> >TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. 
> >Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date 
> >so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same 
> >trip if they felt like spending more time here?
> >
> >Rod
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >>From: Fritz Holt
> >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
> >>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
> >>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
> >>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >>
> >>David and other interested parties,
> >>
> >>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
> >>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that 
> >>the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that 
> >>may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit 
> >>a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin 
> >>that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
> >>David? Has your computer been on the fritz?
> 

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Diana Tomchick]

So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back 
the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot 
less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)



On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:

>
> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend 
> as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
> following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
> attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
> vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
> (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto 
> meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao 
> Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together 
> before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" 
> at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, 
> etc. after each Grotto meeting).
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Geary Schindel
> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
> >Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , 
> >Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
> >October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
> >business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
> >well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the 
> >need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on 
> >Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks 
> >are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG 
> >travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs 
> >are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). 
> >Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is 
> >also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar 
> >grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
> >
> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
> >libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
> >generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
> >web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
> >there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
> >spectators.
> >
> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
> >then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda 
> >some years ago.
> >
> >Geary
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
> >Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
> >Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
> >TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. 
> >Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date 
> >so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same 
> >trip if they felt like spending more time here?
> >
> >Rod
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >>From: Fritz Holt
> >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
> >>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
> >>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
> >>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >>
> >>David and other interested parties,
> >>
> >>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
> >>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that 
> >>the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that 
> >>may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit 
> >>a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin 
> >>that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
> >>David? Has your computer been on the fritz?
> 

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Geary Schindel]

Rod,

I think that is an excellent idea.

Geary

From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:04 PM
To: Geary Schindel; 'Rod Goke'; Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; 
Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Geary Schindel
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Fritz Holt
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>>Subject: NSS caving related
>>
>>Dear caving friends,
>>
>>The Nation

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Geary Schindel]

Rod,

I think that is an excellent idea.

Geary

From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:04 PM
To: Geary Schindel; 'Rod Goke'; Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; 
Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Geary Schindel
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Fritz Holt
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>>Subject: NSS caving related
>>
>>Dear caving friends,
>>
>>The Nation

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Geary Schindel]

Rod,

I think that is an excellent idea.

Geary

From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:04 PM
To: Geary Schindel; 'Rod Goke'; Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; 
Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Geary Schindel
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Fritz Holt
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>>Subject: NSS caving related
>>
>>Dear caving friends,
>>
>>The Nation

texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2011 21:14:09 -0000 Issue 1339

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texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2011 21:14:09 - Issue 1339

Topics (messages 18088 through 18102):

Re: cave pics
18088 by: Alex Sproul

Re: Cave of Forgotten Dreams 3D
18089 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Real time stream Gages to be  Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts
18090 by: Geary Schindel
18091 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18092 by: Geary Schindel
18095 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Re: NSS caving related
18093 by: Fritz Holt
18096 by: Rod Goke
18097 by: Fritz Holt
18098 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18099 by: Geary Schindel
18100 by: Gary Moss
18101 by: Rod Goke
18102 by: Allan B. Cobb

Re:2
18094 by: Scott Boyd

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Yes, I know Nathan.  He's a Huntsville Grotto member and 
volunteers at the NSS Office.  Great guy and an outstanding 
photographer.

Ironically, a week ago Friday, while Nathan was at the SERA Cave 
Carnival, his family (wife, 2 boys, and grandmother-in-law) were in 
a horrendous car crash near Birmingham.  All were flown to 
intensive care in B'ham.  The rest were released the next day, but 
his wife is still in bad shape, with multiple breaks to both legs.

Keep them all in your thoughts.

Alex

> A friend of mine in Birmingham, a photographer but not a caver, sent
> me this Flickr link:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/realms_of_reality/
> 
> Does anyone know Nathan Williams? He does some very good cave
> photography. My wife Diane says that she remembers going through
> Tumbling Rock cave. It is a long series of breakdown mountains.



--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---


I saw this today in Kansas City. Great photography, but the albino crocodiles postscript was really goofy.The sound track was more new agey than it needed to be.
 
Did anyone else note that only the French lady cavers took their helmets off and had their coifs all arranged for their in-cave interviews? Zut alors!
 
T
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE


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Good question, there is a little bit of wate

texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2011 21:14:09 -0000 Issue 1339

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texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2011 21:14:09 - Issue 1339

Topics (messages 18088 through 18102):

Re: cave pics
18088 by: Alex Sproul

Re: Cave of Forgotten Dreams 3D
18089 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Real time stream Gages to be  Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts
18090 by: Geary Schindel
18091 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18092 by: Geary Schindel
18095 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Re: NSS caving related
18093 by: Fritz Holt
18096 by: Rod Goke
18097 by: Fritz Holt
18098 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18099 by: Geary Schindel
18100 by: Gary Moss
18101 by: Rod Goke
18102 by: Allan B. Cobb

Re:2
18094 by: Scott Boyd

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--- Begin Message ---
Yes, I know Nathan.  He's a Huntsville Grotto member and 
volunteers at the NSS Office.  Great guy and an outstanding 
photographer.

Ironically, a week ago Friday, while Nathan was at the SERA Cave 
Carnival, his family (wife, 2 boys, and grandmother-in-law) were in 
a horrendous car crash near Birmingham.  All were flown to 
intensive care in B'ham.  The rest were released the next day, but 
his wife is still in bad shape, with multiple breaks to both legs.

Keep them all in your thoughts.

Alex

> A friend of mine in Birmingham, a photographer but not a caver, sent
> me this Flickr link:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/realms_of_reality/
> 
> Does anyone know Nathan Williams? He does some very good cave
> photography. My wife Diane says that she remembers going through
> Tumbling Rock cave. It is a long series of breakdown mountains.



--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---


I saw this today in Kansas City. Great photography, but the albino crocodiles postscript was really goofy.The sound track was more new agey than it needed to be.
 
Did anyone else note that only the French lady cavers took their helmets off and had their coifs all arranged for their in-cave interviews? Zut alors!
 
T
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE


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Mark,

Good question, there is a little bit of wate

texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2011 21:14:09 -0000 Issue 1339

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texascavers Digest 20 Jun 2011 21:14:09 - Issue 1339

Topics (messages 18088 through 18102):

Re: cave pics
18088 by: Alex Sproul

Re: Cave of Forgotten Dreams 3D
18089 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Real time stream Gages to be  Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts
18090 by: Geary Schindel
18091 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18092 by: Geary Schindel
18095 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Re: NSS caving related
18093 by: Fritz Holt
18096 by: Rod Goke
18097 by: Fritz Holt
18098 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18099 by: Geary Schindel
18100 by: Gary Moss
18101 by: Rod Goke
18102 by: Allan B. Cobb

Re:2
18094 by: Scott Boyd

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Yes, I know Nathan.  He's a Huntsville Grotto member and 
volunteers at the NSS Office.  Great guy and an outstanding 
photographer.

Ironically, a week ago Friday, while Nathan was at the SERA Cave 
Carnival, his family (wife, 2 boys, and grandmother-in-law) were in 
a horrendous car crash near Birmingham.  All were flown to 
intensive care in B'ham.  The rest were released the next day, but 
his wife is still in bad shape, with multiple breaks to both legs.

Keep them all in your thoughts.

Alex

> A friend of mine in Birmingham, a photographer but not a caver, sent
> me this Flickr link:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/realms_of_reality/
> 
> Does anyone know Nathan Williams? He does some very good cave
> photography. My wife Diane says that she remembers going through
> Tumbling Rock cave. It is a long series of breakdown mountains.



--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---


I saw this today in Kansas City. Great photography, but the albino crocodiles postscript was really goofy.The sound track was more new agey than it needed to be.
 
Did anyone else note that only the French lady cavers took their helmets off and had their coifs all arranged for their in-cave interviews? Zut alors!
 
T
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE


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Good question, there is a little bit of wate

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Allan B. Cobb]

As the organizer of TCR, I feel I need to weigh in here.  While I am not 
opposed to BOG being the same weekend, it would be up to someone else to find 
the meeting location for the BOG and make all arrangements for its associated 
stuff.  I do not want to have that responsibility as part of TCR.  Having it 
close to TCR so anyone who wanted to could stay, is a better idea to me. 

Allan


From: Rod Goke 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Geary Schindel ; 'Rod Goke' ; Fritz Holt ; 'David' ; Clint Ladd ; Lyndon 
Tiu ; Syd Formanek ; Dorothy Mladenka ; cavera...@aol.com ; hose ; Keith Goggin 
; Lisa Goggin ; Sheryl Rieck ; Charles Fromen ; Texas Cavers 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Geary Schindel 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun. 
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Fritz Holt 
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-Original Message

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Allan B. Cobb]

As the organizer of TCR, I feel I need to weigh in here.  While I am not 
opposed to BOG being the same weekend, it would be up to someone else to find 
the meeting location for the BOG and make all arrangements for its associated 
stuff.  I do not want to have that responsibility as part of TCR.  Having it 
close to TCR so anyone who wanted to could stay, is a better idea to me. 

Allan


From: Rod Goke 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Geary Schindel ; 'Rod Goke' ; Fritz Holt ; 'David' ; Clint Ladd ; Lyndon 
Tiu ; Syd Formanek ; Dorothy Mladenka ; cavera...@aol.com ; hose ; Keith Goggin 
; Lisa Goggin ; Sheryl Rieck ; Charles Fromen ; Texas Cavers 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Geary Schindel 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun. 
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Fritz Holt 
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-Original Message

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Allan B. Cobb]

As the organizer of TCR, I feel I need to weigh in here.  While I am not 
opposed to BOG being the same weekend, it would be up to someone else to find 
the meeting location for the BOG and make all arrangements for its associated 
stuff.  I do not want to have that responsibility as part of TCR.  Having it 
close to TCR so anyone who wanted to could stay, is a better idea to me. 

Allan


From: Rod Goke 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Geary Schindel ; 'Rod Goke' ; Fritz Holt ; 'David' ; Clint Ladd ; Lyndon 
Tiu ; Syd Formanek ; Dorothy Mladenka ; cavera...@aol.com ; hose ; Keith Goggin 
; Lisa Goggin ; Sheryl Rieck ; Charles Fromen ; Texas Cavers 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Geary Schindel 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun. 
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Fritz Holt 
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-Original Message

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).Rod-Original Message->From: Geary Schindel >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>Folks,>>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday).  I think either October or early November works for most folks.  It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well.  They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session.  There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority.  The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access).  Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs.  There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting.  The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.  >>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one.  They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks.  You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required.  Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.>>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.>>Geary-Original Message->From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?>>Rod>>-Original Message->>From: Fritz Holt >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving relatedDavid and other interested parties,The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the fritz?Fritz-Original Message->>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] >>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen>>Subject: NSS caving relatedDear caving friends,The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors>>meeting at different places each>>year.They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the>>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.He has possibly narrowed down to locations.1 )Austin2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS>>Convention which means in less th

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).Rod-Original Message->From: Geary Schindel >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>Folks,>>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday).  I think either October or early November works for most folks.  It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well.  They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session.  There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority.  The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access).  Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs.  There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting.  The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.  >>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one.  They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks.  You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required.  Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.>>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.>>Geary-Original Message->From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?>>Rod>>-Original Message->>From: Fritz Holt >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving relatedDavid and other interested parties,The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the fritz?Fritz-Original Message->>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] >>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen>>Subject: NSS caving relatedDear caving friends,The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors>>meeting at different places each>>year.They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the>>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.He has possibly narrowed down to locations.1 )Austin2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS>>Convention which means in less th

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).Rod-Original Message->From: Geary Schindel >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>Folks,>>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday).  I think either October or early November works for most folks.  It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well.  They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session.  There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority.  The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access).  Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs.  There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting.  The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.  >>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one.  They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks.  You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required.  Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.>>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.>>Geary-Original Message->From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related>>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?>>Rod>>-Original Message->>From: Fritz Holt >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving relatedDavid and other interested parties,The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the fritz?Fritz-Original Message->>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] >>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen>>Subject: NSS caving relatedDear caving friends,The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors>>meeting at different places each>>year.They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the>>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.He has possibly narrowed down to locations.1 )Austin2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS>>Convention which means in less th

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Gary Moss]

Looking at the on-line NSS Board manual at past Board meetings looks 
like somewhere in October or November works.


Gary Moss


At 03:54 PM 6/20/2011, Fritz Holt wrote:
That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing 
about it and was only responding to David's post.


Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; 
Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? 
Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly 
west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting 
close enough to that date so that people from out of state could 
attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending 
more time here?


Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd 
, Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka 
, "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
, Sheryl Rieck , 
Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 

>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and 
tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would 
seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much 
closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the 
out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in 
Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would 
probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
David? Has your computer been on the fritz?

>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David 
Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen

>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Gary Moss]

Looking at the on-line NSS Board manual at past Board meetings looks 
like somewhere in October or November works.


Gary Moss


At 03:54 PM 6/20/2011, Fritz Holt wrote:
That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing 
about it and was only responding to David's post.


Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; 
Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? 
Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly 
west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting 
close enough to that date so that people from out of state could 
attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending 
more time here?


Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd 
, Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka 
, "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
, Sheryl Rieck , 
Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 

>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and 
tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would 
seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much 
closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the 
out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in 
Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would 
probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
David? Has your computer been on the fritz?

>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David 
Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen

>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Gary Moss]

Looking at the on-line NSS Board manual at past Board meetings looks 
like somewhere in October or November works.


Gary Moss


At 03:54 PM 6/20/2011, Fritz Holt wrote:
That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing 
about it and was only responding to David's post.


Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; 
Dorothy Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? 
Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly 
west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting 
close enough to that date so that people from out of state could 
attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending 
more time here?


Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd 
, Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka 
, "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
, Sheryl Rieck , 
Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers 

>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and 
tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would 
seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much 
closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the 
out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in 
Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would 
probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
David? Has your computer been on the fritz?

>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David 
Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen

>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday).  I think either 
October or early November works for most folks.  It is usually a full days 
business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
well.  They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
to sometimes go into a closed session.  There is commonly a party on Friday 
night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority.  The BOG travel 
is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access).  Many 
of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs.  There is also 
usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting.  The Bexar grotto 
has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.  

It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one.  They have been held in 
libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks.  You may want to go to the NSS 
web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required.  Generally, 
there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
spectators.

I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
years ago.

Geary



-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
>-
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday).  I think either 
October or early November works for most folks.  It is usually a full days 
business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
well.  They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
to sometimes go into a closed session.  There is commonly a party on Friday 
night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority.  The BOG travel 
is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access).  Many 
of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs.  There is also 
usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting.  The Bexar grotto 
has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.  

It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one.  They have been held in 
libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks.  You may want to go to the NSS 
web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required.  Generally, 
there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
spectators.

I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
years ago.

Geary



-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
>-
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday).  I think either 
October or early November works for most folks.  It is usually a full days 
business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
well.  They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
to sometimes go into a closed session.  There is commonly a party on Friday 
night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority.  The BOG travel 
is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access).  Many 
of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs.  There is also 
usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting.  The Bexar grotto 
has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.  

It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one.  They have been held in 
libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks.  You may want to go to the NSS 
web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required.  Generally, 
there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
spectators.

I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
years ago.

Geary



-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Mark . Alman]

Whaddya think, RD?

The TSA would like to help out any way we can.

Let us know where, when, and how. Austin, Houston, DFW, or at/around
TCR.

It's here in Texas and it's all good!



Mark




-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:54 PM
To: 'Rod Goke'; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl
Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing
about it and was only responding to David's post.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl
Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice
that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of
Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to
that date so that people from out of state could attend both events
during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd
, Lyndon Tiu , Syd
Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka ,
"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith
Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl
Rieck , Charles Fromen ,
Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and
tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem
logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some
nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors
may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough
influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead
several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the
fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka;
cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear;
Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
>-
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Mark . Alman]

Whaddya think, RD?

The TSA would like to help out any way we can.

Let us know where, when, and how. Austin, Houston, DFW, or at/around
TCR.

It's here in Texas and it's all good!



Mark




-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:54 PM
To: 'Rod Goke'; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl
Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing
about it and was only responding to David's post.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl
Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice
that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of
Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to
that date so that people from out of state could attend both events
during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd
, Lyndon Tiu , Syd
Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka ,
"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith
Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl
Rieck , Charles Fromen ,
Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and
tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem
logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some
nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors
may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough
influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead
several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the
fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka;
cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear;
Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
>-
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Mark . Alman]

Whaddya think, RD?

The TSA would like to help out any way we can.

Let us know where, when, and how. Austin, Houston, DFW, or at/around
TCR.

It's here in Texas and it's all good!



Mark




-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:54 PM
To: 'Rod Goke'; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl
Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing
about it and was only responding to David's post.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl
Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice
that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of
Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to
that date so that people from out of state could attend both events
during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd
, Lyndon Tiu , Syd
Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka ,
"cavera...@aol.com" , hose , Keith
Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl
Rieck , Charles Fromen ,
Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and
tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem
logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some
nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors
may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough
influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead
several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the
fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka;
cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear;
Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Fritz Holt]

That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing about it 
and was only responding to David's post.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
>-
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Fritz Holt]

That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing about it 
and was only responding to David's post.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Fritz Holt]

That is a good question for someone other than me as I know nothing about it 
and was only responding to David's post.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
Mladenka; cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Rod Goke]

When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
felt like spending more time here?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fritz Holt 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , 
>Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy 
>Mladenka , "cavera...@aol.com" , hose 
>, Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin 
>, Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen 
>, Texas Cavers 
>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>David and other interested parties,
>
>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>
>Fritz
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>Subject: NSS caving related
>
>Dear caving friends,
>
>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>meeting at different places each
>year.
>
>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>
>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>
>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>
>1 )Austin
>
>2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>
>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>Convention which means in less than
>a month.
>
>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>
>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>
>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>
>
>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>
>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>
>David Locklear
>NSS 27639
>
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Re: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[tbsamsel]

We aren't just talking about Texas, Mark.. I'm in Kansas City and there's a flood occurring upstream.
 
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/rt
 
TedJun 20, 2011 11:10:39 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:
Mark,Good question, there is a little bit of water in the Guadaulpe River but many of the creeks and major rivers are approaching record lows. Someone else asked why the gauges are so expensive. Most of the gauges are near real time and require maintenance, require long travel times to visit the stations, many are not be in ideal locations because of access issues, each site requires the development of a rating curve which means going out and calibrating the instruments by manually measuring the streams at regular intervals, each site has to have a satellite uplink, the USGS must maintain a stock of expensive replacement equipment to replace lost or stolen or damaged equipment (floods happen as well as people stealing or shooting solar panels), processing of the data though Denver which includes automation of the web pages to receive all of the data for each site, etc. Oh yeah, water in the river also helps.For example, we use the USGS gauges at Comal Springs and San Marcos springs to initiate Critical Period restrictions. These discharge numbers, along with water level numbers are reported on our web page daily and also commonly reported on local news. FYI, J-17, the index well just passed another threshold today of 640.0 ft msl. Today it is at 639.9 ft msl. When the 10 day average water level for J-17 drops below 640.0, we will go in to Stage III drought restrictions.The stream gauges we use in the area are very important to the region. However, collecting this data isn't easy or cheap. I understand that the Corps of Engineers, which was a major funder of the USGS, has had significant budget cuts and while it won't affect our area (because we fund our gauges), it will impact the State for other non-locally funded gauges. The government is trying to decrease costs by eliminating services. This requires tough choices about what to fund and what to cut on a national, regional, state, and local level.Geary-Original Message-From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:44 AMTo: Geary Schindel; Cavers TexasSubject: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding CutsIs there any water to measure there, Geary?Mark-Original Message-From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AMTo: Cavers TexasSubject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding CutsFolks,It depends upon the program that funds the gauges. Some gauges are covered completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer Authority region. That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year. In addition, the USGS kicks in some cooperative money for the system. This includes the gauges at San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.GearyGeary M. Schindel, P.G.Chief Technical OfficerEDWARDS  AQUIFER A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE  (210) 299.5262 FAX  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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Re: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[tbsamsel]

We aren't just talking about Texas, Mark.. I'm in Kansas City and there's a flood occurring upstream.
 
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/rt
 
TedJun 20, 2011 11:10:39 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:
Mark,Good question, there is a little bit of water in the Guadaulpe River but many of the creeks and major rivers are approaching record lows. Someone else asked why the gauges are so expensive. Most of the gauges are near real time and require maintenance, require long travel times to visit the stations, many are not be in ideal locations because of access issues, each site requires the development of a rating curve which means going out and calibrating the instruments by manually measuring the streams at regular intervals, each site has to have a satellite uplink, the USGS must maintain a stock of expensive replacement equipment to replace lost or stolen or damaged equipment (floods happen as well as people stealing or shooting solar panels), processing of the data though Denver which includes automation of the web pages to receive all of the data for each site, etc. Oh yeah, water in the river also helps.For example, we use the USGS gauges at Comal Springs and San Marcos springs to initiate Critical Period restrictions. These discharge numbers, along with water level numbers are reported on our web page daily and also commonly reported on local news. FYI, J-17, the index well just passed another threshold today of 640.0 ft msl. Today it is at 639.9 ft msl. When the 10 day average water level for J-17 drops below 640.0, we will go in to Stage III drought restrictions.The stream gauges we use in the area are very important to the region. However, collecting this data isn't easy or cheap. I understand that the Corps of Engineers, which was a major funder of the USGS, has had significant budget cuts and while it won't affect our area (because we fund our gauges), it will impact the State for other non-locally funded gauges. The government is trying to decrease costs by eliminating services. This requires tough choices about what to fund and what to cut on a national, regional, state, and local level.Geary-Original Message-From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:44 AMTo: Geary Schindel; Cavers TexasSubject: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding CutsIs there any water to measure there, Geary?Mark-Original Message-From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AMTo: Cavers TexasSubject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding CutsFolks,It depends upon the program that funds the gauges. Some gauges are covered completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer Authority region. That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year. In addition, the USGS kicks in some cooperative money for the system. This includes the gauges at San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.GearyGeary M. Schindel, P.G.Chief Technical OfficerEDWARDS  AQUIFER A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE  (210) 299.5262 FAX  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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Re: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[tbsamsel]

We aren't just talking about Texas, Mark.. I'm in Kansas City and there's a flood occurring upstream.
 
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/rt
 
TedJun 20, 2011 11:10:39 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:
Mark,Good question, there is a little bit of water in the Guadaulpe River but many of the creeks and major rivers are approaching record lows. Someone else asked why the gauges are so expensive. Most of the gauges are near real time and require maintenance, require long travel times to visit the stations, many are not be in ideal locations because of access issues, each site requires the development of a rating curve which means going out and calibrating the instruments by manually measuring the streams at regular intervals, each site has to have a satellite uplink, the USGS must maintain a stock of expensive replacement equipment to replace lost or stolen or damaged equipment (floods happen as well as people stealing or shooting solar panels), processing of the data though Denver which includes automation of the web pages to receive all of the data for each site, etc. Oh yeah, water in the river also helps.For example, we use the USGS gauges at Comal Springs and San Marcos springs to initiate Critical Period restrictions. These discharge numbers, along with water level numbers are reported on our web page daily and also commonly reported on local news. FYI, J-17, the index well just passed another threshold today of 640.0 ft msl. Today it is at 639.9 ft msl. When the 10 day average water level for J-17 drops below 640.0, we will go in to Stage III drought restrictions.The stream gauges we use in the area are very important to the region. However, collecting this data isn't easy or cheap. I understand that the Corps of Engineers, which was a major funder of the USGS, has had significant budget cuts and while it won't affect our area (because we fund our gauges), it will impact the State for other non-locally funded gauges. The government is trying to decrease costs by eliminating services. This requires tough choices about what to fund and what to cut on a national, regional, state, and local level.Geary-Original Message-From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:44 AMTo: Geary Schindel; Cavers TexasSubject: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding CutsIs there any water to measure there, Geary?Mark-Original Message-From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AMTo: Cavers TexasSubject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding CutsFolks,It depends upon the program that funds the gauges. Some gauges are covered completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer Authority region. That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year. In addition, the USGS kicks in some cooperative money for the system. This includes the gauges at San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.GearyGeary M. Schindel, P.G.Chief Technical OfficerEDWARDS  AQUIFER A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE  (210) 299.5262 FAX  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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[Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Fritz Holt]

David and other interested parties,

The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would 
probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your 
computer been on the fritz?

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
Rieck; Charles Fromen
Subject: NSS caving related

Dear caving friends,

The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
meeting at different places each
year.

They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.

My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.

He has possibly narrowed down to locations.

1 )Austin

2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )

I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
Convention which means in less than
a month.

I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.

I would be willing to search for a meeting room.

But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.


I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.

Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.

David Locklear
NSS 27639

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[Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Fritz Holt]

David and other interested parties,

The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would 
probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your 
computer been on the fritz?

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
Rieck; Charles Fromen
Subject: NSS caving related

Dear caving friends,

The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
meeting at different places each
year.

They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.

My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.

He has possibly narrowed down to locations.

1 )Austin

2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )

I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
Convention which means in less than
a month.

I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.

I would be willing to search for a meeting room.

But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.


I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.

Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.

David Locklear
NSS 27639

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[Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

[Fritz Holt]

David and other interested parties,

The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would 
probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your 
computer been on the fritz?

Fritz

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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
cavera...@aol.com; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
Rieck; Charles Fromen
Subject: NSS caving related

Dear caving friends,

The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
meeting at different places each
year.

They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.

My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.

He has possibly narrowed down to locations.

1 )Austin

2 )   Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )

I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
Convention which means in less than
a month.

I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.

I would be willing to search for a meeting room.

But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.


I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
to drive to northeast Houston.But the people
flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.

Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.

David Locklear
NSS 27639

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RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Geary Schindel]

Mark,

Good question, there is a little bit of water in the Guadaulpe River but many 
of the creeks and major rivers are approaching record lows.  

Someone else asked why the gauges are so expensive.  Most of the gauges are 
near real time and require maintenance, require long travel times to visit the 
stations, many are not be in ideal locations because of access issues, each 
site requires the development of a rating curve which means going out and 
calibrating the instruments by manually measuring the streams at regular 
intervals, each site has to have a satellite uplink, the USGS must maintain a 
stock of expensive replacement equipment to replace lost or stolen or damaged 
equipment (floods happen as well as people stealing or shooting solar panels), 
processing of the data though Denver which includes automation of the web pages 
to receive all of the data for each site, etc.  Oh yeah, water in the river 
also helps.

For example, we use the USGS gauges at Comal Springs and San Marcos springs to 
initiate Critical Period restrictions.  These discharge numbers, along with 
water level numbers are reported on our web page daily and also commonly 
reported on local news.  FYI, J-17, the index well just passed another 
threshold today of 640.0 ft msl.  Today it is at 639.9 ft msl.  When the 10 day 
average water level for J-17 drops below 640.0, we will go in to Stage III 
drought restrictions.

The stream gauges we use in the area are very important to the region.  
However, collecting this data isn't easy or cheap.  I understand that the Corps 
of Engineers, which was a major funder of the USGS, has had significant budget 
cuts and while it won't affect our area (because we fund our gauges), it will 
impact the State for other non-locally funded gauges.  

The government is trying to decrease costs by eliminating services.   This 
requires tough choices about what to fund and what to cut on a national, 
regional, state, and local level.

Geary




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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Geary Schindel; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
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RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Geary Schindel]

Mark,

Good question, there is a little bit of water in the Guadaulpe River but many 
of the creeks and major rivers are approaching record lows.  

Someone else asked why the gauges are so expensive.  Most of the gauges are 
near real time and require maintenance, require long travel times to visit the 
stations, many are not be in ideal locations because of access issues, each 
site requires the development of a rating curve which means going out and 
calibrating the instruments by manually measuring the streams at regular 
intervals, each site has to have a satellite uplink, the USGS must maintain a 
stock of expensive replacement equipment to replace lost or stolen or damaged 
equipment (floods happen as well as people stealing or shooting solar panels), 
processing of the data though Denver which includes automation of the web pages 
to receive all of the data for each site, etc.  Oh yeah, water in the river 
also helps.

For example, we use the USGS gauges at Comal Springs and San Marcos springs to 
initiate Critical Period restrictions.  These discharge numbers, along with 
water level numbers are reported on our web page daily and also commonly 
reported on local news.  FYI, J-17, the index well just passed another 
threshold today of 640.0 ft msl.  Today it is at 639.9 ft msl.  When the 10 day 
average water level for J-17 drops below 640.0, we will go in to Stage III 
drought restrictions.

The stream gauges we use in the area are very important to the region.  
However, collecting this data isn't easy or cheap.  I understand that the Corps 
of Engineers, which was a major funder of the USGS, has had significant budget 
cuts and while it won't affect our area (because we fund our gauges), it will 
impact the State for other non-locally funded gauges.  

The government is trying to decrease costs by eliminating services.   This 
requires tough choices about what to fund and what to cut on a national, 
regional, state, and local level.

Geary




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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Geary Schindel; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE


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RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Geary Schindel]

Mark,

Good question, there is a little bit of water in the Guadaulpe River but many 
of the creeks and major rivers are approaching record lows.  

Someone else asked why the gauges are so expensive.  Most of the gauges are 
near real time and require maintenance, require long travel times to visit the 
stations, many are not be in ideal locations because of access issues, each 
site requires the development of a rating curve which means going out and 
calibrating the instruments by manually measuring the streams at regular 
intervals, each site has to have a satellite uplink, the USGS must maintain a 
stock of expensive replacement equipment to replace lost or stolen or damaged 
equipment (floods happen as well as people stealing or shooting solar panels), 
processing of the data though Denver which includes automation of the web pages 
to receive all of the data for each site, etc.  Oh yeah, water in the river 
also helps.

For example, we use the USGS gauges at Comal Springs and San Marcos springs to 
initiate Critical Period restrictions.  These discharge numbers, along with 
water level numbers are reported on our web page daily and also commonly 
reported on local news.  FYI, J-17, the index well just passed another 
threshold today of 640.0 ft msl.  Today it is at 639.9 ft msl.  When the 10 day 
average water level for J-17 drops below 640.0, we will go in to Stage III 
drought restrictions.

The stream gauges we use in the area are very important to the region.  
However, collecting this data isn't easy or cheap.  I understand that the Corps 
of Engineers, which was a major funder of the USGS, has had significant budget 
cuts and while it won't affect our area (because we fund our gauges), it will 
impact the State for other non-locally funded gauges.  

The government is trying to decrease costs by eliminating services.   This 
requires tough choices about what to fund and what to cut on a national, 
regional, state, and local level.

Geary




-Original Message-
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Geary Schindel; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
  (210) 326.1576 MOBILE


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RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Mark . Alman]

Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
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RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Mark . Alman]

Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
  (210) 299.5262 FAX
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RE: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Mark . Alman]

Is there any water to measure there, Geary?


Mark



-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:46 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
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[Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
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[Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
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[Texascavers] Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

It depends upon the program that funds the gauges.  Some gauges are covered 
completely under federal funds and with budget cuts coming, I think the USGS 
has to decide whether they want to cut services or personnel or both.

Note that there were no gauges slated for removal in the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority region.  That is because most of those are paid for with cooperative 
money - the Edwards Aquifer Authority bill for having the USGS run 
approximately 30 gauges is more than $300,000 per year.  In addition, the USGS 
kicks in some cooperative money for the system.  This includes the gauges at 
San Marcos, Comal, San Pedro, San Antonio, Hueco, and Leona springs as well as 
two gauges on each of the upstream portions of the major rivers that cross the 
Edwards limestone in the recharge zone.

Geary


Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
EDWARDS  AQUIFER
 A   U   T   H   O   R   I   T   Y
 1615 N. ST. MARY'S STREET
  SAN ANTONIO, TX 78215
  (210) 222.2204 OFFICE
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