Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Although, it would be unique... From: Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com To: wcwal...@zianet.com Cc: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration We could all eat dinner and listen to speakers with caving helmets and lights. Just joshing. Linda S ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] FW: No Tile Roof for Me
Would you like a Tile Roof? I've always thought they were neat that can be found in Florida, California and Mexico. And then someone sent me this video of a re-roofing project. Don't know how they kept the workers at it!!! This clip will be enough to make you swear off of tile roofs the rest of your life! Bat infestation on a roof...oh god no! - Video Fantastica!http://www.videofantastica.com/view_video/111489/ At least they probably don't have a problem with mosquitoes.
[SWR] Fwd: Recycle Laptops or desktop PCs at Region Celebration this weekend
-- Forwarded message -- From: Doug Diego Rhodes d...@mexicohorse.com Date: Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM Subject: To: Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net, Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com Keep thinking of things at the last minute, if anyone has an laptops or desktop PCs dead, obsolete or whatever, we have use for them in various Tarahumara schools. If they are dead we can either repair or cannibalize. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] Northern Region Cave Closures
Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS, even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike McEachern is quoted in the article. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
Re: [SWR] Northern Region Cave Closures
I will be at the WNS conference the first week of June helping Peter Youngbaer represent the NSS. Let me know if you have any ideas on how we can work towards a better future for bats and caving. thanks Jen. Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:02:21 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Northern Region Cave Closures Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS, even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike McEachern is quoted in the article. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] GCC dig - June 8-10
Cavers, This is a reminder that the next dig weekend at Grand Canyon Caverns is coming up on the weekend of June 8-10, 2012. We've got the Big House reserved, so there should be bunk space for everyone. If we run out of bunk space, there's also couch space and floor space (and the motel, and the campground). Bring your favorite implement of mass deconstruction. If you've got personal safety glasses, gloves, and earplugs: bring those too (don't worry, we have spares in case you don't have your own). I will be arriving sometime Friday in the late afternoon or early evening. We will work until Sunday morning, and be finished by lunchtime Sunday so everyone has a chance to get home in a timely fashion. The cafeteria is going to be open so we can eat there, but there's also a full kitchen and refrigerator in the house. We can cook food at the house, eat at the cafeteria, or head into Seligman for dinner at Westside Lilo's (pie!). Grand Canyon Caverns is a privately owned tourist cave just off of historic Route 66, about 20 miles NW of Seligman, Arizona. Access to the dig is by elevator, concrete pathway, and finally down a 100' rubble slope. We have electricity at the dig face. We've been working this project for almost 7 years, and have an excellent relationship with the cave's owners. If you're interested in coming out for a good time busting up rocks underground, please let me know. If you're planning to attend, or if you have any questions, shoot me an email at rbohm...@cox.net. Feel free to spread the word. See you underground, -Rich ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
RE: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook
I saw that, briefly, in the corner of my facebook screen. I couldn't believe it! I checked my medication, just in case, but it was fine. I wasn't imagining it! -Stefan From: Mixon Bill [bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: 24 May 2012 21:37 To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time before I deleted the account, several of you asked to friend me. The messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast message. But thanks. -- Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ -- Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On *Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com* wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz -- Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land Rightshttp://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/ Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from “human persecution.” “Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
I wouldn't think a wildlife foundation would find any variety of snakes to be undesirable but I do understand the human safety factor. Fritz (troublemaker) From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:14 AM To: wesley s Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.commailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.commailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.commailto:o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.commailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.commailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.commailto:hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.commailto:kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.commailto:janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.netmailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.commailto:ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.netmailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095tel:%28512%29%20799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.commailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.commailto:o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.commailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.commailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.commailto:hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.commailto:kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.commailto:janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.netmailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.commailto:ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.netmailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats. I've skinned, gutted, defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most appetizing snake for food. Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good and the boneless backstraps are huge. Still, the eats rats thing. . Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess that just proves rattlers werent meant for eating. Wes~ CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com From: tmrai...@amcs.org To: mudmal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500 That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful. Tastes Like Fish, Terry On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Although, it would be unique... From: Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com To: wcwal...@zianet.com Cc: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration We could all eat dinner and listen to speakers with caving helmets and lights. Just joshing. Linda S ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
texascavers Digest 24 May 2012 14:13:53 -0000 Issue 1557
texascavers Digest 24 May 2012 14:13:53 - Issue 1557 Topics (messages 20037 through 20043): Poor little rattlesnakes 20037 by: BMorgan994.aol.com 20038 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 20039 by: Cook, Brett 20041 by: wesley s 20043 by: Gill Edigar Western cavers party in the Southeast 20040 by: F D CAUDLE Bat Flight 20042 by: Mark Minton Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all other so called common species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers. Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I. Anyone who abuses their land or the plants and animals therein (lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. But but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my daddy did it too. Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they like rednecks too. Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long since I have been there and want to go back. Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind all of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to the list so I won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things about caves repeated a hundred times along with all the other items that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer, roaring bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to love? Sleaze---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Not sure if I would blame global warming or climate change for all of the indigenous snakes in FL disappearing. From what I have read, all of the pet boas and pythons that folks have bought, and later discarded, are really wreaking havoc down there. Whaddya think, Sleaze? Mark From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:51 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all other so called common species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers. Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I. Anyone who abuses their land or the plants and animals therein (lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. But but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my daddy did it too. Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they like rednecks too. Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or young men in Mexico?
[Texascavers] FW: No Tile Roof for Me
Would you like a Tile Roof? I've always thought they were neat that can be found in Florida, California and Mexico. And then someone sent me this video of a re-roofing project. Don't know how they kept the workers at it!!! This clip will be enough to make you swear off of tile roofs the rest of your life! Bat infestation on a roof...oh god no! - Video Fantastica!http://www.videofantastica.com/view_video/111489/ At least they probably don't have a problem with mosquitoes.
[SWR] Fwd: Recycle Laptops or desktop PCs at Region Celebration this weekend
-- Forwarded message -- From: Doug Diego Rhodes d...@mexicohorse.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM Subject: To: Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net, Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com Keep thinking of things at the last minute, if anyone has an laptops or desktop PCs dead, obsolete or whatever, we have use for them in various Tarahumara schools. If they are dead we can either repair or cannibalize. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] Northern Region Cave Closures
Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS, even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike McEachern is quoted in the article. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
Re: [SWR] Northern Region Cave Closures
I will be at the WNS conference the first week of June helping Peter Youngbaer represent the NSS. Let me know if you have any ideas on how we can work towards a better future for bats and caving. thanks Jen. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:02:21 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Northern Region Cave Closures Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS, even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike McEachern is quoted in the article. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] GCC dig - June 8-10
Cavers, This is a reminder that the next dig weekend at Grand Canyon Caverns is coming up on the weekend of June 8-10, 2012. We've got the Big House reserved, so there should be bunk space for everyone. If we run out of bunk space, there's also couch space and floor space (and the motel, and the campground). Bring your favorite implement of mass deconstruction. If you've got personal safety glasses, gloves, and earplugs: bring those too (don't worry, we have spares in case you don't have your own). I will be arriving sometime Friday in the late afternoon or early evening. We will work until Sunday morning, and be finished by lunchtime Sunday so everyone has a chance to get home in a timely fashion. The cafeteria is going to be open so we can eat there, but there's also a full kitchen and refrigerator in the house. We can cook food at the house, eat at the cafeteria, or head into Seligman for dinner at Westside Lilo's (pie!). Grand Canyon Caverns is a privately owned tourist cave just off of historic Route 66, about 20 miles NW of Seligman, Arizona. Access to the dig is by elevator, concrete pathway, and finally down a 100' rubble slope. We have electricity at the dig face. We've been working this project for almost 7 years, and have an excellent relationship with the cave's owners. If you're interested in coming out for a good time busting up rocks underground, please let me know. If you're planning to attend, or if you have any questions, shoot me an email at rbohm...@cox.net. Feel free to spread the word. See you underground, -Rich ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] my ex-Facebook
In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time before I deleted the account, several of you asked to friend me. The messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast message. But thanks. -- Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook
I saw that, briefly, in the corner of my facebook screen. I couldn't believe it! I checked my medication, just in case, but it was fine. I wasn't imagining it! -Stefan From: Mixon Bill [bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: 24 May 2012 21:37 To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time before I deleted the account, several of you asked to friend me. The messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast message. But thanks. -- Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ -- Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On *Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com* wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz -- Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land Rightshttp://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/ Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from “human persecution.” “Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
I wouldn't think a wildlife foundation would find any variety of snakes to be undesirable but I do understand the human safety factor. Fritz (troublemaker) From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:14 AM To: wesley s Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.commailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.commailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.commailto:o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.commailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.commailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.commailto:hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.commailto:kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.commailto:janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.netmailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.commailto:ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.netmailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095tel:%28512%29%20799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.commailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.commailto:o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.commailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.commailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.commailto:hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.commailto:kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.commailto:janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.netmailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.commailto:ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.netmailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess that just proves rattlers werent meant for eating. Wes~ CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com From: tmrai...@amcs.org To: mudmal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500 That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful. Tastes Like Fish, Terry On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats. I've skinned, gutted, defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most appetizing snake for food. Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good and the boneless backstraps are huge. Still, the eats rats thing. . Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess that just proves rattlers werent meant for eating. Wes~ CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com From: tmrai...@amcs.org To: mudmal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500 That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful. Tastes Like Fish, Terry On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Although, it would be unique... From: Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com To: wcwal...@zianet.com Cc: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration We could all eat dinner and listen to speakers with caving helmets and lights. Just joshing. Linda S ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
texascavers Digest 24 May 2012 14:13:53 -0000 Issue 1557
texascavers Digest 24 May 2012 14:13:53 - Issue 1557 Topics (messages 20037 through 20043): Poor little rattlesnakes 20037 by: BMorgan994.aol.com 20038 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 20039 by: Cook, Brett 20041 by: wesley s 20043 by: Gill Edigar Western cavers party in the Southeast 20040 by: F D CAUDLE Bat Flight 20042 by: Mark Minton Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all other so called common species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers. Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I. Anyone who abuses their land or the plants and animals therein (lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. But but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my daddy did it too. Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they like rednecks too. Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long since I have been there and want to go back. Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind all of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to the list so I won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things about caves repeated a hundred times along with all the other items that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer, roaring bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to love? Sleaze---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Not sure if I would blame global warming or climate change for all of the indigenous snakes in FL disappearing. From what I have read, all of the pet boas and pythons that folks have bought, and later discarded, are really wreaking havoc down there. Whaddya think, Sleaze? Mark From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:51 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all other so called common species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers. Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I. Anyone who abuses their land or the plants and animals therein (lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. But but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my daddy did it too. Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they like rednecks too. Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or young men in Mexico?
[Texascavers] FW: No Tile Roof for Me
Would you like a Tile Roof? I've always thought they were neat that can be found in Florida, California and Mexico. And then someone sent me this video of a re-roofing project. Don't know how they kept the workers at it!!! This clip will be enough to make you swear off of tile roofs the rest of your life! Bat infestation on a roof...oh god no! - Video Fantastica!http://www.videofantastica.com/view_video/111489/ At least they probably don't have a problem with mosquitoes.
[SWR] Fwd: Recycle Laptops or desktop PCs at Region Celebration this weekend
-- Forwarded message -- From: Doug Diego Rhodes d...@mexicohorse.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM Subject: To: Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net, Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com Keep thinking of things at the last minute, if anyone has an laptops or desktop PCs dead, obsolete or whatever, we have use for them in various Tarahumara schools. If they are dead we can either repair or cannibalize. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] Northern Region Cave Closures
Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS, even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike McEachern is quoted in the article. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
Re: [SWR] Northern Region Cave Closures
I will be at the WNS conference the first week of June helping Peter Youngbaer represent the NSS. Let me know if you have any ideas on how we can work towards a better future for bats and caving. thanks Jen. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:02:21 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Northern Region Cave Closures Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS, even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike McEachern is quoted in the article. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] GCC dig - June 8-10
Cavers, This is a reminder that the next dig weekend at Grand Canyon Caverns is coming up on the weekend of June 8-10, 2012. We've got the Big House reserved, so there should be bunk space for everyone. If we run out of bunk space, there's also couch space and floor space (and the motel, and the campground). Bring your favorite implement of mass deconstruction. If you've got personal safety glasses, gloves, and earplugs: bring those too (don't worry, we have spares in case you don't have your own). I will be arriving sometime Friday in the late afternoon or early evening. We will work until Sunday morning, and be finished by lunchtime Sunday so everyone has a chance to get home in a timely fashion. The cafeteria is going to be open so we can eat there, but there's also a full kitchen and refrigerator in the house. We can cook food at the house, eat at the cafeteria, or head into Seligman for dinner at Westside Lilo's (pie!). Grand Canyon Caverns is a privately owned tourist cave just off of historic Route 66, about 20 miles NW of Seligman, Arizona. Access to the dig is by elevator, concrete pathway, and finally down a 100' rubble slope. We have electricity at the dig face. We've been working this project for almost 7 years, and have an excellent relationship with the cave's owners. If you're interested in coming out for a good time busting up rocks underground, please let me know. If you're planning to attend, or if you have any questions, shoot me an email at rbohm...@cox.net. Feel free to spread the word. See you underground, -Rich ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] my ex-Facebook
In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time before I deleted the account, several of you asked to friend me. The messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast message. But thanks. -- Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook
I saw that, briefly, in the corner of my facebook screen. I couldn't believe it! I checked my medication, just in case, but it was fine. I wasn't imagining it! -Stefan From: Mixon Bill [bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: 24 May 2012 21:37 To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time before I deleted the account, several of you asked to friend me. The messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast message. But thanks. -- Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ -- Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On *Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com* wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz -- Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land Rightshttp://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/ Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from “human persecution.” “Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
I wouldn't think a wildlife foundation would find any variety of snakes to be undesirable but I do understand the human safety factor. Fritz (troublemaker) From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:14 AM To: wesley s Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.commailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.commailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.commailto:o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.commailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.commailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.commailto:hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.commailto:kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.commailto:janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.netmailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.commailto:ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.netmailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095tel:%28512%29%20799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.commailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.commailto:o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.commailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.commailto:bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.netmailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.commailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.commailto:hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.commailto:kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.commailto:janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.usmailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.netmailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.commailto:ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.netmailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.netmailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess that just proves rattlers werent meant for eating. Wes~ CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com From: tmrai...@amcs.org To: mudmal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500 That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful. Tastes Like Fish, Terry On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats. I've skinned, gutted, defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most appetizing snake for food. Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good and the boneless backstraps are huge. Still, the eats rats thing. . Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess that just proves rattlers werent meant for eating. Wes~ CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com From: tmrai...@amcs.org To: mudmal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500 That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful. Tastes Like Fish, Terry On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~
