[SWR] Fw: [NMAM-L] FW: lecture at Natural History Museum
fyi. Lynda From: Aubele, Jayne, DCA Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:21 AM To: nma...@list.unm.edu Subject: [NMAM-L] FW: lecture at Natural History Museum Voices in Science Lecture Titanic: A Personal and Scientific Journey Penny Boston, Ph.D., Professor of Cave and Karst Science, Director, Cave and Karst Studies, Dept. Earth Environmental Science, New Mexico Tech and Associate Director, Academics, National Cave and Karst Research Institute, Carlsbad, NM Tuesday, June 25 • 7:00–8:30 pm Dr. Penelope Boston studies extreme microbial lifeforms who live in environments that share features with the microorganisms that are breaking down the hulls of the Titanic. But more personally, Dr. Boston’s grandfather, William John Boston, served aboard Titanic as a crew member on her maiden voyage in 1912—profoundly affecting her family and perhaps leading to Dr. Boston’s own unusual career. Hear about the time in which the Titanic sinking occurred, its aftermath, and the emerging science as we watch the Titanic break down in the extreme environment of the cold, deep, mid-Atlantic. Dr. Penny Boston travels to some of the most exotic and dangerous extreme environments on Earth, including many caves in New Mexico. Her areas of research include cave geomicrobiology, microbial life in other highly mineralized or extreme environments, unique or characteristic biominerals, and biosignature detection. She is also deeply involved in astrobiology, the search for life beyond Earth, and cave formation mechanisms on other planetary bodies. She heads the Cave and Karst Studies Program, in conjunction with the National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) of which she is the Associate Director (Academics). NMT is the major academic partner associated with this national institute. Lectures are held at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History Science 1801 Mountain Rd. NW, Albuquerque, NM 87104 • (505) 841-2800 Visit: www.nmnaturalhistory.org $6 ($5 members, $4 students) Volunteers are FREE…sign up on the sheet in the volunteer lounge to assure your seat. Purchase in advance online to guarantee your seats, go to www.NMnaturalhistory.org (online ticket fees may apply) or purchase tickets at the Admissions desk prior to the event. Doors open at 6:15 pm Questions: August Wainwright email: programs.nmm...@state.nm.us call (505) 841-2861 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 17:05:33 -0000 Issue 1777
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 17:05:33 - Issue 1777 Topics (messages 21957 through 21966): Re: Ben Hutchins 21957 by: Ben Hutchins Re: Remembering 21958 by: Louise Power 21963 by: Mimi Jasek Re: Bob Cowell 21959 by: Tom F 21960 by: James Jasek 21961 by: Mimi Jasek A semi-true story 21962 by: David Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21964 by: Ted Samsel 21965 by: caverarch Remembering Palmito 21966 by: Carl Kunath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- How are you? Ben Hutchins ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, Louise:) I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The officers of the Bexar Grotto spent some time with Bob this evening...we presented him with a plaque recognizing his many years of service to the caving community and the Bexar Grotto (okay, so very similar to the recognition he received at Bamburger's. We never claimed to be original). He looks good and was in good spirits. He was talkative and told lots of stories in typical Bob fashion. It's good to see him smiling. Many thanks to the Bexar Grotto officers (especially those who don't live in SA) for taking the time to visit with him. -Tom --- On Sun, 6/16/13, Jenni Arburn jenniarb...@mac.com wrote: From: Jenni Arburn jenniarb...@mac.com Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell To: Texas Cavers List Texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sunday, June 16, 2013, 6:15 PM I couldn't talk to him today - his Girls happily wore him out for Fathers Day. But Mary Ann says he's doing well, getting his nutrition and meds and holding steady. The Bambergers' celebration meant a lot to him. They are all coping together, taking it as it comes along. Jenni - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Excellent. Bob is a great person and has been a personal caver friend for many years. Thank you Bexar Grotto Jim Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Tom F thflo...@yahoo.com wrote: The officers of the Bexar Grotto spent some time
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 -0000 Issue 1778
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 - Issue 1778 Topics (messages 21967 through 21970): Re: Remembering Palmito 21967 by: Logan McNatt 21968 by: Nico Escamilla Re: Remembering 21969 by: Louise Power Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21970 by: Ted Samsel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Very true retrospective, Carl. Thanks. On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver's experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional break in the newbies trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the /Amigos de la Gruta /program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in /50 Years of Texas Caving/. ===Carl Kunath *From:* Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM *To:* Louise Power mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com *Cc:* texas cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi From: mjca...@gmail.com mailto:mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
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Mimi,
I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill
toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent
sources of light.
Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
Louise
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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[Texascavers] TCR Dates
Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante
Hello Friends. the Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleología, (Coahuila) start to work in a new project in Grutas del Palmito Bustamante for the next 3 years... march 2013-2015. We start the investigation in a new areas of the cave that we find... Orion Knox help us with information, maps and more cavers help us to send pictures and information about it thank you,... I will tell you more information about it. soon. thank you Monica Ponce ACEAC 2013/6/18 Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com From Mexico News section of the forthcoming AMCS Activities Newsletter 36: Philip Russell (William Russell's brother) recently visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Bustamante Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted phone number 8291010143. Source: Bill Russell, 12 March 2013 The limited hours do make it very hard if not impossible for a large group to have what Pete Strickland considers a full tour of the cave. But a good time in a very impressive cave can certainly be had. A much better (or, I guess, worse) example of what happens when a cave falls, unfortunately, into the hands of a government is Devils Sinkhole. -- Mixon --**-- Going all to Hell department: The McDonald's nearest me has just torn down its play structure and replaced it with a couple of free video games for the kiddies. And people wonder why kids are so fat --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora) Associazione Geografica La Venta- Italia (socia) Centro de Estudios Karsticos La Venta (socia) Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia) Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora) Texas Speleological Association (Socia) Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia) 045-844-1478311 cel. monicaponce1 by skype.
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Here's a side view. I have the story somewhere and shall find it. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky me…I live in Lubbock.” Then I started to laugh in a real low register, then I went up the scale gradually in a sustained crescendo, culminating in a foghorn, hootin’, exhalin’, inhalin’ drug-crazed ape virtuoso hollerin’ extravaganza, while I staggered about the stage draggin’ the mike stand with me. It was almost scary. I didn’t know where it came from. I didn’t know I had it in me. Gawd, the crowd went wild! OK, so maybe one or two more performed, but they were a mere shadow to my virtuoso hootin’ performance. The judges huddled together, then they said the crowd wanted me to do it again. So, I did it all again, but even longer and better this time. I thank the laugh I did reached mebbe 100 decibels, and that’s just at the mike. In the bleachers all them beer drunks musta heard it louder, and they all went apeshit at my apeshit laugh. They cheered and stomped and jumped up and down, and I was awarded the grand prize. It was a trophy made by Charlie Loving out of a copper toilet float, glued to a little basket with sticks and strings and mounted on a 2x4 to look like a hot-air balloon. And on top it had a plastic Indian chief holdin’ a tomahawk, but his other arm was bad, missin’ a hand. It was colorful, just like I felt and everyone felt that day. Later on Charlie came lookin’ for me, said that CBS News wanted to talk to me. I never did see them. I camped out with my caver friends that night, and next day I drove fast back to Lubbock, which we called Buttock, the Hub, the new metro city of the south plains. I have a Kodachrome slide of this
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Here's the story: I was contracted by Guich Koock to build a *GIANT CHICKEN SUIT* for the 2nd Annual Luckenbach World's Fair which took place at the Gillespie County Fairgrounds. This is in Fredericksburg, TX. Well, since chickens have orange legs, I wore orange pantyhose with big old foam feet that I stepped into. Since it was near 102F, it was pretty dang hot in the chicken suit (which was constructed of bamboo, chicken wire, duck tape and paper mache'; shingled with scalloped white sheet-pieces with a foam comb, and painted approp- riately. I didn't want to do a Dominicker or other dark chicken since I know how hot such colors get in the sweltering Texas sun.) Well, I could only take one day of this and had to go back to Austin to rehydrate myself and recover from all of the salacious propositions that were made to me by ladies of all ages. Imagine, such lines as chickie, wanna lay an aig?. Harrumph! But the next day some good ole boy took my place inside the suit. He forwent the panty hose, though. As luck would have it, some nasty little kid came up a kicked the chicken raht on the shin and Mr. Bubba kicked back. Junior went screaming to his cedar chopper daddy who was, of course, drunk, who then grabbed his axe and commenced to chase the chicken around the fairgrounds. The cedar chopper was apprehended and the chicken suit was put into one of the stalls inside the exhibition barn. The next day, the suit was gone. Stolen! And an APB was issued by the Texas DPS for a chicken suit. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a side view. I have the story somewhere and shall find it. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky
texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2013 00:56:33 -0000 Issue 1780
texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2013 00:56:33 - Issue 1780 Topics (messages 21983 through 21991): Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving 21983 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21984 by: Don Arburn 21985 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21989 by: Don Arburn Re: Remembering 21986 by: Albach Bustamante 21987 by: Mixon Bill 21990 by: Espeleo Coahuila Re: TCR Dates 21988 by: Roger Moore Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21991 by: Ted Samsel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I came back from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! I have put i t up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc - Forwarded Message - From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Yeah, mine is bigger. 2007 Ford F-350 crew cab long bed 4x4 diesel with a camper shell. Been all the way to Belize (towed Strickland's old Trooper there). No pull-off needed, 'fraid it'd pull the ass off that Suburban. As for Moby, Texas Cavers of all sorts been a lot of places in it from BZ, Brinco, to Colorado WV and Florida, they named it, ain't up to me. That said, they do only call it Moby (Moby Truck to be specific), not Moby Dick. Hell, even the Zetas even tried to steal it last summer. I ain't dissin' the 'Burban now, looks like a damn fine caver truck to me. Jim Kennedy killed his Yeti this weekend, ask him. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:51 PM, dirtdoc@comcast.netwrote: How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I cameback from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! If you think you have a bigger one, I suppose we can have a pull-off. Or both happily share the name. I have put it up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. ---End
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
I've been too far out of the Texican loop for too long, Don. Sounds as if you are correct as far as any pul l-off contest is concerned. I should have come over and admired Moby when we were together in Brackettville a couple of April Fools ago I must also admit that this is not quite as stout as the 1969 green 3/4 ton that I drove over 480,000. GMC has slowly cheapened their light trucks. DirtDoc
RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Don, your truck eats other trucks for breakfast. That Suburban has to wait until dinner. From: Don Arburn Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6421 - Release Date: 06/18/13
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
That's similar to my 1988 'burb 3/4 ton 4x4. Mine was a RV Special, special ordered from the factory with all heavy duty options. Ever two years the previous owner (owned a construction company) bought his wife a new caddy and bought custom ordered a new suburban for himself. Big car lots consider any trade in with over 70,000 miles as a high mileage vehicle and try to get rid of them as soon a possible. This one had 73,000 miles on it and a winch, nobody wanted it with the 8,000 lb Warren wench. Got a great deal on it, drove it until it had 170,000+ miles and sold it to Ed Goff (first truck I ever owned I was willing to sell to someone I knew their name. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4269590157797set=a.1528064181361.61354.1827398679type=1theater - it's a public photo on Facebook so you may see it without an account. loved that truck! Butch From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Suburbans
I owned serial Suburbans back in the day, starting back when they were actually trucks and not all tricked out like rolling whorehouses with headliners and the like. There was actually metal on the interior that you could screw stuff to. My first one had only three doors, two on the curb side and one for the driver--not counting the tailgate, of course. The second seat was optional back then, and had to be unbolted to be removed. My experience with them has made me swear to never buy anything from GM again, and I haven't. Mostly nuisances like broken door handles, failed light switches, snapped speedometer cables, leaky driveline seals, etc. etc. etc. An engine-mount bolt fell out up in the Purificación cave area in Mexico. When a fuel pump failed on one of them, a dealer fixed it but returned the truck to me with the sparkplug wires mixed up. (Not clear why they were even removed.) The last straw was when my last one had a total ignition failure on the way home from a Sunday swim two days before I had to leave for an NSS convention somewhere in the NW. Then on the way home the fuel pump on that one went out, too. I suppose some people think things like that just add spice to a trip. I kept none of them beyond ~ 130K miles. Your mileage may vary. -- Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Suburbans
Like Bill, I have been driving two Tortugas that many of you know. The first was a 59 1/2 ton I bought in 1961 , the second the 3/4 ton with a one-ton front axel that Ken Laidlaw bought new. When he got tired of his Big Toy, I bought it and put it to Real Work . I ended up after 30 years with over 480K on that one (with four hart transplants) . In 2003 I gave it to my son in Albuquerque. I was trying to get it to an NSS convention and put it in the auction, but it did not quite happen. Pity! The 3/4 ton 1988's were about at the peak of Suburban toughness and durability, although there wa s a sight degrading compared to my 69, but only an expert would see it. A far cry from the truck-on-a-passenger -car-chassis that have been produced since. I really would not want one of the new ones - there are better vehicles out there for my - and most cavers - purposes. The really smart upgrade (along with a bunch of other things) t hat Dan added to this one is the 25% Gear Vendors overdrive. I think he is probably quite honest when he says he got 16-17 MPG in overdrive driving 75MPH on the interstate from Seattle to Estes Park ( 1500 miles). That truck is about 6000 pounds, empty. You should read all the upgrades he has done to the thing - on the DropBox link. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:51:00 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Suburbans I owned serial Suburbans back in the day, starting back when they were actually trucks and not all tricked out like rolling whorehouses with headliners and the like. There was actually metal on the interior that you could screw stuff to. My first one had only three doors, two on the curb side and one for the driver--not counting the tailgate, of course. The second seat was optional back then, and had to be unbolted to be removed. My experience with them has made me swear to never buy anything from GM again, and I haven't. Mostly nuisances like broken door handles, failed light switches, snapped speedometer cables, leaky driveline seals, etc. etc. etc. An engine-mount bolt fell out up in the Purificación cave area in Mexico. When a fuel pump failed on one of them, a dealer fixed it but returned the truck to me with the sparkplug wires mixed up. (Not clear why they were even removed.) The last straw was when my last one had a total ignition failure on the way home from a Sunday swim two days before I had to leave for an NSS convention somewhere in the NW. Then on the way home the fuel pump on that one went out, too. I suppose some people think things like that just add spice to a trip. I kept none of them beyond ~ 130K miles. Your mileage may vary. -- Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
GGG Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Remembering Palmito
Very true retrospective, Carl. Thanks. On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver's experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional break in the newbies trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the /Amigos de la Gruta /program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in /50 Years of Texas Caving/. ===Carl Kunath *From:* Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM *To:* Louise Power mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com *Cc:* texas cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi From: mjca...@gmail.com mailto:mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
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texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 17:05:33 -0000 Issue 1777
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 17:05:33 - Issue 1777 Topics (messages 21957 through 21966): Re: Ben Hutchins 21957 by: Ben Hutchins Re: Remembering 21958 by: Louise Power 21963 by: Mimi Jasek Re: Bob Cowell 21959 by: Tom F 21960 by: James Jasek 21961 by: Mimi Jasek A semi-true story 21962 by: David Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21964 by: Ted Samsel 21965 by: caverarch Remembering Palmito 21966 by: Carl Kunath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- How are you? Ben Hutchins ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, Louise:) I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The officers of the Bexar Grotto spent some time with Bob this evening...we presented him with a plaque recognizing his many years of service to the caving community and the Bexar Grotto (okay, so very similar to the recognition he received at Bamburger's. We never claimed to be original). He looks good and was in good spirits. He was talkative and told lots of stories in typical Bob fashion. It's good to see him smiling. Many thanks to the Bexar Grotto officers (especially those who don't live in SA) for taking the time to visit with him. -Tom --- On Sun, 6/16/13, Jenni Arburn jenniarb...@mac.com wrote: From: Jenni Arburn jenniarb...@mac.com Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell To: Texas Cavers List Texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sunday, June 16, 2013, 6:15 PM I couldn't talk to him today - his Girls happily wore him out for Fathers Day. But Mary Ann says he's doing well, getting his nutrition and meds and holding steady. The Bambergers' celebration meant a lot to him. They are all coping together, taking it as it comes along. Jenni - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Excellent. Bob is a great person and has been a personal caver friend for many years. Thank you Bexar Grotto Jim Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Tom F thflo...@yahoo.com wrote: The
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 -0000 Issue 1778
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 - Issue 1778 Topics (messages 21967 through 21970): Re: Remembering Palmito 21967 by: Logan McNatt 21968 by: Nico Escamilla Re: Remembering 21969 by: Louise Power Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21970 by: Ted Samsel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Very true retrospective, Carl. Thanks. On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver's experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional break in the newbies trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the /Amigos de la Gruta /program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in /50 Years of Texas Caving/. ===Carl Kunath *From:* Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM *To:* Louise Power mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com *Cc:* texas cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi From: mjca...@gmail.com mailto:mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 23:46:53 -0000 Issue 1779
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 23:46:53 - Issue 1779 Topics (messages 21971 through 21982): Re: Remembering 21971 by: Gill Edigar 21973 by: Nico Escamilla TCR Dates 21972 by: Denise P 21974 by: Stefan Creaser 21975 by: Jim Kennedy 21976 by: Don Arburn Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving 21977 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21978 by: Stefan Creaser 21979 by: Don Arburn 21980 by: Don Arburn 21981 by: Allan B. Cobb 21982 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Amen brother Gill El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió: Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international
RE: [Texascavers] Remembering
Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power
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Mimi,
I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill
toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent
sources of light.
Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
Louise
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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Nice timing on this thread so close to Father's Day.
My first cave was Gruta del Palmito as well. My dad took me when I was 6
years old ('67).
I remember a long walk up the mountain, there was talk about mastodon
bones I was disappointed in not finding and what I thought was the
coolest thing ever - crawling over and under all that breakdown slope.
Reminds me I need to get my own kids back under ground soon.
Probably a good idea to call dad and thank him specifically for that trip.
-Robert
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Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering
40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building
on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip.
Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that
trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think
anyone ever wrote up that trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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[Texascavers] TCR Dates
Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
RE: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Well the 20th is a Sunday, so I expect it ends then... Some people turn up on Thursday. Cheers, Stefan From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up then anyhow. -- Jim From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Actually, it was added last year. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up then anyhow. -- Jim From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
And to pass on the word from Facebook posts, the theme of the parade and costumes this year is Steam Punk. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: Actually, it was added last year. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up then anyhow. -- Jim From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
[Texascavers] Bustamante
From Mexico News section of the forthcoming AMCS Activities Newsletter 36: Philip Russell (William Russell's brother) recently visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Bustamante Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted phone number 8291010143. Source: Bill Russell, 12 March 2013 The limited hours do make it very hard if not impossible for a large group to have what Pete Strickland considers a full tour of the cave. But a good time in a very impressive cave can certainly be had. A much better (or, I guess, worse) example of what happens when a cave falls, unfortunately, into the hands of a government is Devils Sinkhole. -- Mixon Going all to Hell department: The McDonald's nearest me has just torn down its play structure and replaced it with a couple of free video games for the kiddies. And people wonder why kids are so fat You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante
Hello Friends. the Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleología, (Coahuila) start to work in a new project in Grutas del Palmito Bustamante for the next 3 years... march 2013-2015. We start the investigation in a new areas of the cave that we find... Orion Knox help us with information, maps and more cavers help us to send pictures and information about it thank you,... I will tell you more information about it. soon. thank you Monica Ponce ACEAC 2013/6/18 Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com From Mexico News section of the forthcoming AMCS Activities Newsletter 36: Philip Russell (William Russell's brother) recently visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Bustamante Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted phone number 8291010143. Source: Bill Russell, 12 March 2013 The limited hours do make it very hard if not impossible for a large group to have what Pete Strickland considers a full tour of the cave. But a good time in a very impressive cave can certainly be had. A much better (or, I guess, worse) example of what happens when a cave falls, unfortunately, into the hands of a government is Devils Sinkhole. -- Mixon --**-- Going all to Hell department: The McDonald's nearest me has just torn down its play structure and replaced it with a couple of free video games for the kiddies. And people wonder why kids are so fat --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora) Associazione Geografica La Venta- Italia (socia) Centro de Estudios Karsticos La Venta (socia) Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia) Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora) Texas Speleological Association (Socia) Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia) 045-844-1478311 cel. monicaponce1 by skype.
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky me…I live in Lubbock.” Then I started to laugh in a real low register, then I went up the scale gradually in a sustained crescendo, culminating in a foghorn, hootin’, exhalin’, inhalin’ drug-crazed ape virtuoso hollerin’ extravaganza, while I staggered about the stage draggin’ the mike stand with me. It was almost scary. I didn’t know where it came from. I didn’t know I had it in me. Gawd, the crowd went wild! OK, so maybe one or two more performed, but they were a mere shadow to my virtuoso hootin’ performance. The judges huddled together, then they said the crowd wanted me to do it again. So, I did it all again, but even longer and better this time. I thank the laugh I did reached mebbe 100 decibels, and that’s just at the mike. In the bleachers all them beer drunks musta heard it louder, and they all went apeshit at my apeshit laugh. They cheered and stomped and jumped up and down, and I was awarded the grand prize. It was a trophy made by Charlie Loving out of a copper toilet float, glued to a little basket with sticks and strings and mounted on a 2x4 to look like a hot-air balloon. And on top it had a plastic Indian chief holdin’ a tomahawk, but his other arm was bad, missin’ a hand. It was colorful, just like I felt and everyone felt that day. Later on Charlie came lookin’ for me, said that CBS News wanted to talk to me. I never did see them. I camped out with my caver friends that night, and next day I drove fast back to Lubbock, which we called Buttock, the Hub, the new metro city of the south plains. I have a Kodachrome slide of this event, showing Slim Pickens awarding me my trophy. That’s for all you naysayers out there! I had such fond memories of this event that I put it in
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Wonderful story and image! I'm eager to hear more. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 7:48 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky me…I live in Lubbock.” Then I started to laugh in a real low register, then I went up the scale gradually in a sustained crescendo, culminating in a foghorn, hootin’, exhalin’, inhalin’ drug-crazed ape virtuoso hollerin’ extravaganza, while I staggered about the stage draggin’ the mike stand with me. It was almost scary. I didn’t know where it came from. I didn’t know I had it in me. Gawd, the crowd went wild! OK, so maybe one or two more performed, but they were a mere shadow to my virtuoso hootin’ performance. The judges huddled together, then they said the crowd wanted me to do it again. So, I did it all again, but even longer and better this time. I thank the laugh I did reached mebbe 100 decibels, and that’s just at the mike. In the bleachers all them beer drunks musta heard it louder, and they all went apeshit at my apeshit laugh. They cheered and stomped and jumped up and down, and I was awarded the grand prize. It was a trophy made by Charlie Loving out of a copper toilet float, glued to a little basket with sticks and strings and mounted on a 2x4 to look like a hot-air balloon. And on top it had a plastic Indian chief holdin’ a tomahawk, but his other arm was bad, missin’ a hand. It was colorful, just like I felt and everyone felt that day. Later on Charlie came lookin’ for me, said that CBS News wanted to talk to me. I never did see them. I camped out with my caver
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Here's a side view. I have the story somewhere and shall find it. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky me…I live in Lubbock.” Then I started to laugh in a real low register, then I went up the scale gradually in a sustained crescendo, culminating in a foghorn, hootin’, exhalin’, inhalin’ drug-crazed ape virtuoso hollerin’ extravaganza, while I staggered about the stage draggin’ the mike stand with me. It was almost scary. I didn’t know where it came from. I didn’t know I had it in me. Gawd, the crowd went wild! OK, so maybe one or two more performed, but they were a mere shadow to my virtuoso hootin’ performance. The judges huddled together, then they said the crowd wanted me to do it again. So, I did it all again, but even longer and better this time. I thank the laugh I did reached mebbe 100 decibels, and that’s just at the mike. In the bleachers all them beer drunks musta heard it louder, and they all went apeshit at my apeshit laugh. They cheered and stomped and jumped up and down, and I was awarded the grand prize. It was a trophy made by Charlie Loving out of a copper toilet float, glued to a little basket with sticks and strings and mounted on a 2x4 to look like a hot-air balloon. And on top it had a plastic Indian chief holdin’ a tomahawk, but his other arm was bad, missin’ a hand. It was colorful, just like I felt and everyone felt that day. Later on Charlie came lookin’ for me, said that CBS News wanted to talk to me. I never did see them. I camped out with my caver friends that night, and next day I drove fast back to Lubbock, which we called Buttock, the Hub, the new metro city of the south plains. I have a Kodachrome slide of this
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Here's the story: I was contracted by Guich Koock to build a *GIANT CHICKEN SUIT* for the 2nd Annual Luckenbach World's Fair which took place at the Gillespie County Fairgrounds. This is in Fredericksburg, TX. Well, since chickens have orange legs, I wore orange pantyhose with big old foam feet that I stepped into. Since it was near 102F, it was pretty dang hot in the chicken suit (which was constructed of bamboo, chicken wire, duck tape and paper mache'; shingled with scalloped white sheet-pieces with a foam comb, and painted approp- riately. I didn't want to do a Dominicker or other dark chicken since I know how hot such colors get in the sweltering Texas sun.) Well, I could only take one day of this and had to go back to Austin to rehydrate myself and recover from all of the salacious propositions that were made to me by ladies of all ages. Imagine, such lines as chickie, wanna lay an aig?. Harrumph! But the next day some good ole boy took my place inside the suit. He forwent the panty hose, though. As luck would have it, some nasty little kid came up a kicked the chicken raht on the shin and Mr. Bubba kicked back. Junior went screaming to his cedar chopper daddy who was, of course, drunk, who then grabbed his axe and commenced to chase the chicken around the fairgrounds. The cedar chopper was apprehended and the chicken suit was put into one of the stalls inside the exhibition barn. The next day, the suit was gone. Stolen! And an APB was issued by the Texas DPS for a chicken suit. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a side view. I have the story somewhere and shall find it. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky
texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2013 00:56:33 -0000 Issue 1780
texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2013 00:56:33 - Issue 1780 Topics (messages 21983 through 21991): Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving 21983 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21984 by: Don Arburn 21985 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21989 by: Don Arburn Re: Remembering 21986 by: Albach Bustamante 21987 by: Mixon Bill 21990 by: Espeleo Coahuila Re: TCR Dates 21988 by: Roger Moore Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21991 by: Ted Samsel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I came back from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! I have put i t up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc - Forwarded Message - From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Yeah, mine is bigger. 2007 Ford F-350 crew cab long bed 4x4 diesel with a camper shell. Been all the way to Belize (towed Strickland's old Trooper there). No pull-off needed, 'fraid it'd pull the ass off that Suburban. As for Moby, Texas Cavers of all sorts been a lot of places in it from BZ, Brinco, to Colorado WV and Florida, they named it, ain't up to me. That said, they do only call it Moby (Moby Truck to be specific), not Moby Dick. Hell, even the Zetas even tried to steal it last summer. I ain't dissin' the 'Burban now, looks like a damn fine caver truck to me. Jim Kennedy killed his Yeti this weekend, ask him. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:51 PM, dirtdoc@comcast.netwrote: How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I cameback from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! If you think you have a bigger one, I suppose we can have a pull-off. Or both happily share the name. I have put it up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. ---End
[Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I came back from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! I have put i t up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc - Forwarded Message - From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Yeah, mine is bigger. 2007 Ford F-350 crew cab long bed 4x4 diesel with a camper shell. Been all the way to Belize (towed Strickland's old Trooper there). No pull-off needed, 'fraid it'd pull the ass off that Suburban. As for Moby, Texas Cavers of all sorts been a lot of places in it from BZ, Brinco, to Colorado WV and Florida, they named it, ain't up to me. That said, they do only call it Moby (Moby Truck to be specific), not Moby Dick. Hell, even the Zetas even tried to steal it last summer. I ain't dissin' the 'Burban now, looks like a damn fine caver truck to me. Jim Kennedy killed his Yeti this weekend, ask him. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:51 PM, dirtdoc@comcast.netwrote: How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I cameback from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! If you think you have a bigger one, I suppose we can have a pull-off. Or both happily share the name. I have put it up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
I've been too far out of the Texican loop for too long, Don. Sounds as if you are correct as far as any pul l-off contest is concerned. I should have come over and admired Moby when we were together in Brackettville a couple of April Fools ago I must also admit that this is not quite as stout as the 1969 green 3/4 ton that I drove over 480,000. GMC has slowly cheapened their light trucks. DirtDoc
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
It's all good sir! Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 7:12 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: I've been too far out of the Texican loop for too long, Don. Sounds as if you are correct as far as any pull-off contest is concerned. I should have come over and admired Moby when we were together in Brackettville a couple of April Fools ago I must also admit that this is not quite as stout as the 1969 green 3/4 ton that I drove over 480,000. GMC has slowly cheapened their light trucks. DirtDoc
RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Austin has emissions testing also, so I’m out as a buyer. -- Jim
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
I depends on how they require it, Jim. This is a 25 year old vehicle. a 1988. What are your local emission testing requirements for something that age? DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com To: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com, dirt...@comcast.net Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:44:25 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Austin has emissions testing also, so I’m out as a buyer. -- Jim
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
If it's 25 years or older, it doesn't have to pass emissions testing. Logan (owner of 1988 Toyota) On 6/18/2013 10:27 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: I depends on how they require it, Jim. This is a 25 year old vehicle. a 1988. What are your local emission testing requirements for something that age? DirtDoc *From: *Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com *To: *Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com, dirt...@comcast.net *Cc: *Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent: *Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:44:25 PM *Subject: *RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Austin has emissions testing also, so I'm out as a buyer. -- Jim
[SWR] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Don, your truck eats other trucks for breakfast. That Suburban has to wait until dinner. From: Don Arburn Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6421 - Release Date: 06/18/13
RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
One that delivers food? From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.commailto:donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.commailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.netmailto:dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
That's similar to my 1988 'burb 3/4 ton 4x4. Mine was a RV Special, special ordered from the factory with all heavy duty options. Ever two years the previous owner (owned a construction company) bought his wife a new caddy and bought custom ordered a new suburban for himself. Big car lots consider any trade in with over 70,000 miles as a high mileage vehicle and try to get rid of them as soon a possible. This one had 73,000 miles on it and a winch, nobody wanted it with the 8,000 lb Warren wench. Got a great deal on it, drove it until it had 170,000+ miles and sold it to Ed Goff (first truck I ever owned I was willing to sell to someone I knew their name. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4269590157797set=a.1528064181361.61354.1827398679type=1theater - it's a public photo on Facebook so you may see it without an account. loved that truck! Butch From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Suburbans
I owned serial Suburbans back in the day, starting back when they were actually trucks and not all tricked out like rolling whorehouses with headliners and the like. There was actually metal on the interior that you could screw stuff to. My first one had only three doors, two on the curb side and one for the driver--not counting the tailgate, of course. The second seat was optional back then, and had to be unbolted to be removed. My experience with them has made me swear to never buy anything from GM again, and I haven't. Mostly nuisances like broken door handles, failed light switches, snapped speedometer cables, leaky driveline seals, etc. etc. etc. An engine-mount bolt fell out up in the Purificación cave area in Mexico. When a fuel pump failed on one of them, a dealer fixed it but returned the truck to me with the sparkplug wires mixed up. (Not clear why they were even removed.) The last straw was when my last one had a total ignition failure on the way home from a Sunday swim two days before I had to leave for an NSS convention somewhere in the NW. Then on the way home the fuel pump on that one went out, too. I suppose some people think things like that just add spice to a trip. I kept none of them beyond ~ 130K miles. Your mileage may vary. -- Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Suburbans
Like Bill, I have been driving two Tortugas that many of you know. The first was a 59 1/2 ton I bought in 1961 , the second the 3/4 ton with a one-ton front axel that Ken Laidlaw bought new. When he got tired of his Big Toy, I bought it and put it to Real Work . I ended up after 30 years with over 480K on that one (with four hart transplants) . In 2003 I gave it to my son in Albuquerque. I was trying to get it to an NSS convention and put it in the auction, but it did not quite happen. Pity! The 3/4 ton 1988's were about at the peak of Suburban toughness and durability, although there wa s a sight degrading compared to my 69, but only an expert would see it. A far cry from the truck-on-a-passenger -car-chassis that have been produced since. I really would not want one of the new ones - there are better vehicles out there for my - and most cavers - purposes. The really smart upgrade (along with a bunch of other things) t hat Dan added to this one is the 25% Gear Vendors overdrive. I think he is probably quite honest when he says he got 16-17 MPG in overdrive driving 75MPH on the interstate from Seattle to Estes Park ( 1500 miles). That truck is about 6000 pounds, empty. You should read all the upgrades he has done to the thing - on the DropBox link. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:51:00 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Suburbans I owned serial Suburbans back in the day, starting back when they were actually trucks and not all tricked out like rolling whorehouses with headliners and the like. There was actually metal on the interior that you could screw stuff to. My first one had only three doors, two on the curb side and one for the driver--not counting the tailgate, of course. The second seat was optional back then, and had to be unbolted to be removed. My experience with them has made me swear to never buy anything from GM again, and I haven't. Mostly nuisances like broken door handles, failed light switches, snapped speedometer cables, leaky driveline seals, etc. etc. etc. An engine-mount bolt fell out up in the Purificación cave area in Mexico. When a fuel pump failed on one of them, a dealer fixed it but returned the truck to me with the sparkplug wires mixed up. (Not clear why they were even removed.) The last straw was when my last one had a total ignition failure on the way home from a Sunday swim two days before I had to leave for an NSS convention somewhere in the NW. Then on the way home the fuel pump on that one went out, too. I suppose some people think things like that just add spice to a trip. I kept none of them beyond ~ 130K miles. Your mileage may vary. -- Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
GGG Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
Gonzo Guano Gear harnesses, made right there in Texas: http://www.gonzoguanogear.com/harness.html. Mark At 09:04 PM 6/18/2013, Don Arburn wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Remembering Palmito
Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver’s experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional “break in the newbies” trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the Amigos de la Gruta program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of “shooting yourself in the foot.” We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in 50 Years of Texas Caving. ===Carl Kunath From: Mimi Jasek Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM To: Louise Power Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Remembering Palmito
Very true retrospective, Carl. Thanks. On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver's experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional break in the newbies trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the /Amigos de la Gruta /program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in /50 Years of Texas Caving/. ===Carl Kunath *From:* Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM *To:* Louise Power mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com *Cc:* texas cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi From: mjca...@gmail.com mailto:mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Remembering Palmito
There is still off trail access in Palmito, not all hope is lost. You just have to ask the guy in charge about it and be back in time before they close at 5pm Nico El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Logan McNatt escribió: Very true retrospective, Carl. Thanks. On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver’s experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional “break in the newbies” trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the *Amigos de la Gruta *program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of “shooting yourself in the foot.” We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in *50 Years of Texas Caving*. ===Carl Kunath *From:* Mimi Jasek *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM *To:* Louise Power *Cc:* texas cavers *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of thos ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fw: [NMAM-L] FW: lecture at Natural History Museum
fyi. Lynda From: Aubele, Jayne, DCA Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:21 AM To: nma...@list.unm.edu Subject: [NMAM-L] FW: lecture at Natural History Museum Voices in Science Lecture Titanic: A Personal and Scientific Journey Penny Boston, Ph.D., Professor of Cave and Karst Science, Director, Cave and Karst Studies, Dept. Earth Environmental Science, New Mexico Tech and Associate Director, Academics, National Cave and Karst Research Institute, Carlsbad, NM Tuesday, June 25 • 7:00–8:30 pm Dr. Penelope Boston studies extreme microbial lifeforms who live in environments that share features with the microorganisms that are breaking down the hulls of the Titanic. But more personally, Dr. Boston’s grandfather, William John Boston, served aboard Titanic as a crew member on her maiden voyage in 1912—profoundly affecting her family and perhaps leading to Dr. Boston’s own unusual career. Hear about the time in which the Titanic sinking occurred, its aftermath, and the emerging science as we watch the Titanic break down in the extreme environment of the cold, deep, mid-Atlantic. Dr. Penny Boston travels to some of the most exotic and dangerous extreme environments on Earth, including many caves in New Mexico. Her areas of research include cave geomicrobiology, microbial life in other highly mineralized or extreme environments, unique or characteristic biominerals, and biosignature detection. She is also deeply involved in astrobiology, the search for life beyond Earth, and cave formation mechanisms on other planetary bodies. She heads the Cave and Karst Studies Program, in conjunction with the National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) of which she is the Associate Director (Academics). NMT is the major academic partner associated with this national institute. Lectures are held at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History Science 1801 Mountain Rd. NW, Albuquerque, NM 87104 • (505) 841-2800 Visit: www.nmnaturalhistory.org $6 ($5 members, $4 students) Volunteers are FREE…sign up on the sheet in the volunteer lounge to assure your seat. Purchase in advance online to guarantee your seats, go to www.NMnaturalhistory.org (online ticket fees may apply) or purchase tickets at the Admissions desk prior to the event. Doors open at 6:15 pm Questions: August Wainwright email: programs.nmm...@state.nm.us call (505) 841-2861 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 17:05:33 -0000 Issue 1777
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 17:05:33 - Issue 1777 Topics (messages 21957 through 21966): Re: Ben Hutchins 21957 by: Ben Hutchins Re: Remembering 21958 by: Louise Power 21963 by: Mimi Jasek Re: Bob Cowell 21959 by: Tom F 21960 by: James Jasek 21961 by: Mimi Jasek A semi-true story 21962 by: David Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21964 by: Ted Samsel 21965 by: caverarch Remembering Palmito 21966 by: Carl Kunath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- How are you? Ben Hutchins ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, Louise:) I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The officers of the Bexar Grotto spent some time with Bob this evening...we presented him with a plaque recognizing his many years of service to the caving community and the Bexar Grotto (okay, so very similar to the recognition he received at Bamburger's. We never claimed to be original). He looks good and was in good spirits. He was talkative and told lots of stories in typical Bob fashion. It's good to see him smiling. Many thanks to the Bexar Grotto officers (especially those who don't live in SA) for taking the time to visit with him. -Tom --- On Sun, 6/16/13, Jenni Arburn jenniarb...@mac.com wrote: From: Jenni Arburn jenniarb...@mac.com Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell To: Texas Cavers List Texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sunday, June 16, 2013, 6:15 PM I couldn't talk to him today - his Girls happily wore him out for Fathers Day. But Mary Ann says he's doing well, getting his nutrition and meds and holding steady. The Bambergers' celebration meant a lot to him. They are all coping together, taking it as it comes along. Jenni - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Excellent. Bob is a great person and has been a personal caver friend for many years. Thank you Bexar Grotto Jim Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Tom F thflo...@yahoo.com wrote: The
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 -0000 Issue 1778
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 - Issue 1778 Topics (messages 21967 through 21970): Re: Remembering Palmito 21967 by: Logan McNatt 21968 by: Nico Escamilla Re: Remembering 21969 by: Louise Power Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21970 by: Ted Samsel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Very true retrospective, Carl. Thanks. On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Mimi: Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto. I remember it well. I was stunned! In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver's experience in Mexico. In half a century, the situation has changed drastically. In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger cars in the caver community. Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no formalities required to visit the cave. Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave. In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience. For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions. You had free-run of the cave. In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional break in the newbies trip for several grottos. Later, Texas cavers spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti. Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic aspects of the cave to the Mexican people but things moved very slowly. Through the years, the efforts of the /Amigos de la Gruta /program made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave. Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, and the Federal government of Mexico. Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. We promoted and popularized the cave so well we finally lost access to it. Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore. You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza. Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road. From there, you are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance. Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room. Leave your hard hat at home. We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience. The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante on pages 435-440 in /50 Years of Texas Caving/. ===Carl Kunath *From:* Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM *To:* Louise Power mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com *Cc:* texas cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi From: mjca...@gmail.com mailto:mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 23:46:53 -0000 Issue 1779
texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 23:46:53 - Issue 1779 Topics (messages 21971 through 21982): Re: Remembering 21971 by: Gill Edigar 21973 by: Nico Escamilla TCR Dates 21972 by: Denise P 21974 by: Stefan Creaser 21975 by: Jim Kennedy 21976 by: Don Arburn Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving 21977 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21978 by: Stefan Creaser 21979 by: Don Arburn 21980 by: Don Arburn 21981 by: Allan B. Cobb 21982 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Amen brother Gill El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió: Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international
RE: [Texascavers] Remembering
Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
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Mimi,
I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill
toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent
sources of light.
Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
Louise
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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Nice timing on this thread so close to Father's Day.
My first cave was Gruta del Palmito as well. My dad took me when I was 6
years old ('67).
I remember a long walk up the mountain, there was talk about mastodon
bones I was disappointed in not finding and what I thought was the
coolest thing ever - crawling over and under all that breakdown slope.
Reminds me I need to get my own kids back under ground soon.
Probably a good idea to call dad and thank him specifically for that trip.
-Robert
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building
on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip.
Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that
trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think
anyone ever wrote up that trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
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[Texascavers] TCR Dates
Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
RE: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Well the 20th is a Sunday, so I expect it ends then... Some people turn up on Thursday. Cheers, Stefan From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up then anyhow. -- Jim From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Actually, it was added last year. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up then anyhow. -- Jim From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
And to pass on the word from Facebook posts, the theme of the parade and costumes this year is Steam Punk. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: Actually, it was added last year. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up then anyhow. -- Jim From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right? Thanks, Denise
[Texascavers] Bustamante
From Mexico News section of the forthcoming AMCS Activities Newsletter 36: Philip Russell (William Russell's brother) recently visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Bustamante Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted phone number 8291010143. Source: Bill Russell, 12 March 2013 The limited hours do make it very hard if not impossible for a large group to have what Pete Strickland considers a full tour of the cave. But a good time in a very impressive cave can certainly be had. A much better (or, I guess, worse) example of what happens when a cave falls, unfortunately, into the hands of a government is Devils Sinkhole. -- Mixon Going all to Hell department: The McDonald's nearest me has just torn down its play structure and replaced it with a couple of free video games for the kiddies. And people wonder why kids are so fat You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante
Hello Friends. the Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleología, (Coahuila) start to work in a new project in Grutas del Palmito Bustamante for the next 3 years... march 2013-2015. We start the investigation in a new areas of the cave that we find... Orion Knox help us with information, maps and more cavers help us to send pictures and information about it thank you,... I will tell you more information about it. soon. thank you Monica Ponce ACEAC 2013/6/18 Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com From Mexico News section of the forthcoming AMCS Activities Newsletter 36: Philip Russell (William Russell's brother) recently visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Bustamante Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted phone number 8291010143. Source: Bill Russell, 12 March 2013 The limited hours do make it very hard if not impossible for a large group to have what Pete Strickland considers a full tour of the cave. But a good time in a very impressive cave can certainly be had. A much better (or, I guess, worse) example of what happens when a cave falls, unfortunately, into the hands of a government is Devils Sinkhole. -- Mixon --**-- Going all to Hell department: The McDonald's nearest me has just torn down its play structure and replaced it with a couple of free video games for the kiddies. And people wonder why kids are so fat --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora) Associazione Geografica La Venta- Italia (socia) Centro de Estudios Karsticos La Venta (socia) Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia) Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora) Texas Speleological Association (Socia) Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia) 045-844-1478311 cel. monicaponce1 by skype.
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky me…I live in Lubbock.” Then I started to laugh in a real low register, then I went up the scale gradually in a sustained crescendo, culminating in a foghorn, hootin’, exhalin’, inhalin’ drug-crazed ape virtuoso hollerin’ extravaganza, while I staggered about the stage draggin’ the mike stand with me. It was almost scary. I didn’t know where it came from. I didn’t know I had it in me. Gawd, the crowd went wild! OK, so maybe one or two more performed, but they were a mere shadow to my virtuoso hootin’ performance. The judges huddled together, then they said the crowd wanted me to do it again. So, I did it all again, but even longer and better this time. I thank the laugh I did reached mebbe 100 decibels, and that’s just at the mike. In the bleachers all them beer drunks musta heard it louder, and they all went apeshit at my apeshit laugh. They cheered and stomped and jumped up and down, and I was awarded the grand prize. It was a trophy made by Charlie Loving out of a copper toilet float, glued to a little basket with sticks and strings and mounted on a 2x4 to look like a hot-air balloon. And on top it had a plastic Indian chief holdin’ a tomahawk, but his other arm was bad, missin’ a hand. It was colorful, just like I felt and everyone felt that day. Later on Charlie came lookin’ for me, said that CBS News wanted to talk to me. I never did see them. I camped out with my caver friends that night, and next day I drove fast back to Lubbock, which we called Buttock, the Hub, the new metro city of the south plains. I have a Kodachrome slide of this event, showing Slim Pickens awarding me my trophy. That’s for all you naysayers out there! I had such fond memories of this event that I put it in
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Wonderful story and image! I'm eager to hear more. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 7:48 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky me…I live in Lubbock.” Then I started to laugh in a real low register, then I went up the scale gradually in a sustained crescendo, culminating in a foghorn, hootin’, exhalin’, inhalin’ drug-crazed ape virtuoso hollerin’ extravaganza, while I staggered about the stage draggin’ the mike stand with me. It was almost scary. I didn’t know where it came from. I didn’t know I had it in me. Gawd, the crowd went wild! OK, so maybe one or two more performed, but they were a mere shadow to my virtuoso hootin’ performance. The judges huddled together, then they said the crowd wanted me to do it again. So, I did it all again, but even longer and better this time. I thank the laugh I did reached mebbe 100 decibels, and that’s just at the mike. In the bleachers all them beer drunks musta heard it louder, and they all went apeshit at my apeshit laugh. They cheered and stomped and jumped up and down, and I was awarded the grand prize. It was a trophy made by Charlie Loving out of a copper toilet float, glued to a little basket with sticks and strings and mounted on a 2x4 to look like a hot-air balloon. And on top it had a plastic Indian chief holdin’ a tomahawk, but his other arm was bad, missin’ a hand. It was colorful, just like I felt and everyone felt that day. Later on Charlie came lookin’ for me, said that CBS News wanted to talk to me. I never did see them. I camped out with my caver
Re: [Texascavers] a tale from the old days of Texas cavers
Here's the story: I was contracted by Guich Koock to build a *GIANT CHICKEN SUIT* for the 2nd Annual Luckenbach World's Fair which took place at the Gillespie County Fairgrounds. This is in Fredericksburg, TX. Well, since chickens have orange legs, I wore orange pantyhose with big old foam feet that I stepped into. Since it was near 102F, it was pretty dang hot in the chicken suit (which was constructed of bamboo, chicken wire, duck tape and paper mache'; shingled with scalloped white sheet-pieces with a foam comb, and painted approp- riately. I didn't want to do a Dominicker or other dark chicken since I know how hot such colors get in the sweltering Texas sun.) Well, I could only take one day of this and had to go back to Austin to rehydrate myself and recover from all of the salacious propositions that were made to me by ladies of all ages. Imagine, such lines as chickie, wanna lay an aig?. Harrumph! But the next day some good ole boy took my place inside the suit. He forwent the panty hose, though. As luck would have it, some nasty little kid came up a kicked the chicken raht on the shin and Mr. Bubba kicked back. Junior went screaming to his cedar chopper daddy who was, of course, drunk, who then grabbed his axe and commenced to chase the chicken around the fairgrounds. The cedar chopper was apprehended and the chicken suit was put into one of the stalls inside the exhibition barn. The next day, the suit was gone. Stolen! And an APB was issued by the Texas DPS for a chicken suit. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a side view. I have the story somewhere and shall find it. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I was there too, with my chicken suit that I was commissioned to fabricate by Guich, via Igor Loving. I'll tell the story after other folks recall it. Here's a photo of yon suit. There's another one. Somewhere. Ted On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Posted by permission of the author by Mixon: A long time ago in Fredericksburg, Texas, they held the Luckenbach World’s Fair, the brainchild of Hondo Crouch and Guich Koock, who bought the little town in the Texas Hill Country. They made it a favorite hangout for Waylon and Willie and the boys, and lots of lawng-hurred country folks from Austin and other parts. Later they sold the whole thang again. Why was the fair held in Fredericksburg? Well, Luckenbach was charmin’ to visit, but not big enough to hold a couple of thousand beer drunks all at once, and Fredericksburg had a stadium for rent I thank it wuz June 1975. I went thur from Lubbock on the weekend out of boredom, just to git away from my grad stoodent studies at Texas Tech. I mean, how many millipede gonopods can you measure while staring through a microscope? I was goin’ cross-eyed, and my wife wasn’t much interested in going, so I went. Had I a friend who hadda been interested I woulda taken him along. That reminds me of this example of Texanese that my Dad used to quote, “Well, if I’d a knowd you’d a goed, I’d a let you a’rode, leastwise I’d seen you had a way to went.” That was how I felt about it too. So, I drove my old Chevy 4x4 down there and when I arrived I immediately bumped into cavers from Austin—Charlie Loving, Gil Ediger, Don Broussard, and lots of others. We wandered around, drank beer, and sampled the food at the booths on the grounds. Eventually I moseyed up into the bleachers, which wuz shady. They wuz hostin’ various events, and pretty soon they announced a Laughing Contest. A no-holds-barred-make-it-up-as-you-go Laughing Contest, with some vague trophy being offered. By this time I was half full of beer and feelin’ pretty jovial, so I joined up. I went down front to the stage, where they had notables like Slim Pickens, Hondo, Guich, and Frank X. Tolbert as judges. Also Sarah somebody, a famous Texas politician whose last name I can’t recall, but she was good-lookin’. I asked about rules, and they didn’t have any. So, the first man gets up to the mike and he tells some cornball joke and slaps his thigh and laughs. The crowd sort of laughs, and we’re off to a start. Then the second man takes the mike and tells some long windy joke and they sort of laugh, but not too much. I’m thinkin’, “Man, this is pretty lame. I can do better than this.” I think I was third, or maybe fifth—I didn’t really care at this point. So, I decided to do something unusual. There I was already sort of lookin’ weird. I had lawng hurr stickin’ out all around from my dark blue denim engineer’s cap, a big mustash, jeans, cowboy boots, and a t-shirt that said, “Lucky Me! I live in Lubbock!” with a cartoon of a dood clingin’ to a road sign while a tornado has him blowed out sideways with his pants comin’ off. I stepped up to the mike, which was on a stand and connected to a big sound system. I said real low, “lucky
texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2013 00:56:33 -0000 Issue 1780
texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2013 00:56:33 - Issue 1780 Topics (messages 21983 through 21991): Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving 21983 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21984 by: Don Arburn 21985 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 21989 by: Don Arburn Re: Remembering 21986 by: Albach Bustamante 21987 by: Mixon Bill 21990 by: Espeleo Coahuila Re: TCR Dates 21988 by: Roger Moore Re: a tale from the old days of Texas cavers 21991 by: Ted Samsel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I came back from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! I have put i t up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc - Forwarded Message - From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Yeah, mine is bigger. 2007 Ford F-350 crew cab long bed 4x4 diesel with a camper shell. Been all the way to Belize (towed Strickland's old Trooper there). No pull-off needed, 'fraid it'd pull the ass off that Suburban. As for Moby, Texas Cavers of all sorts been a lot of places in it from BZ, Brinco, to Colorado WV and Florida, they named it, ain't up to me. That said, they do only call it Moby (Moby Truck to be specific), not Moby Dick. Hell, even the Zetas even tried to steal it last summer. I ain't dissin' the 'Burban now, looks like a damn fine caver truck to me. Jim Kennedy killed his Yeti this weekend, ask him. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:51 PM, dirtdoc@comcast.netwrote: How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I cameback from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! If you think you have a bigger one, I suppose we can have a pull-off. Or both happily share the name. I have put it up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. ---End
[Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I came back from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! I have put i t up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc - Forwarded Message - From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Yeah, mine is bigger. 2007 Ford F-350 crew cab long bed 4x4 diesel with a camper shell. Been all the way to Belize (towed Strickland's old Trooper there). No pull-off needed, 'fraid it'd pull the ass off that Suburban. As for Moby, Texas Cavers of all sorts been a lot of places in it from BZ, Brinco, to Colorado WV and Florida, they named it, ain't up to me. That said, they do only call it Moby (Moby Truck to be specific), not Moby Dick. Hell, even the Zetas even tried to steal it last summer. I ain't dissin' the 'Burban now, looks like a damn fine caver truck to me. Jim Kennedy killed his Yeti this weekend, ask him. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:51 PM, dirtdoc@comcast.netwrote: How about the Dick part, Don? I found this thing in my driveway when I cameback from Terlingua. Dan had left it there, and all the keys and paperwork with a neighbor. Whatever it is, it is certainly a Great White Whale!! If you think you have a bigger one, I suppose we can have a pull-off. Or both happily share the name. I have put it up on Craig's List - and I have had calls from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, as well as Colorado. So far, no one with has materialized at my door. It probably cannot pass the emission test in the Denver-Front Range area as Dan has ripped off all the stupid 1988 smog stuff, which never did much anyway except strangle the thing. I had two guys that wanted it, but only if I got it passed the emissions test. I not even abut to try. Most of the Colorado interest has floundered on the emissions issue. I actually had two guys drive up from Oklahoma on Saturday, but The Wife put the kibosh on it. She wanted something to take 6-7 people around the New Mexico mountains and had several excuses, like she wanted another back seat. Geez!! Ever heard of the junk yard? She just did not warm up to it. Her husband, however, was working his way up to a wet dream. Biggest problem seemed to be that she damn near fell on her head trying to get in and out of it. License from Washington State is good through the end of the month. DirtDoc From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:35:05 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
I've been too far out of the Texican loop for too long, Don. Sounds as if you are correct as far as any pul l-off contest is concerned. I should have come over and admired Moby when we were together in Brackettville a couple of April Fools ago I must also admit that this is not quite as stout as the 1969 green 3/4 ton that I drove over 480,000. GMC has slowly cheapened their light trucks. DirtDoc
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It's all good sir! Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 7:12 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: I've been too far out of the Texican loop for too long, Don. Sounds as if you are correct as far as any pull-off contest is concerned. I should have come over and admired Moby when we were together in Brackettville a couple of April Fools ago I must also admit that this is not quite as stout as the 1969 green 3/4 ton that I drove over 480,000. GMC has slowly cheapened their light trucks. DirtDoc
RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Austin has emissions testing also, so I’m out as a buyer. -- Jim
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I depends on how they require it, Jim. This is a 25 year old vehicle. a 1988. What are your local emission testing requirements for something that age? DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com To: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com, dirt...@comcast.net Cc: Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:44:25 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Austin has emissions testing also, so I’m out as a buyer. -- Jim
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not in Hays county. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Austin has emissions testing also, so I’m out as a buyer. ** ** -- Jim -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
If it's 25 years or older, it doesn't have to pass emissions testing. Logan (owner of 1988 Toyota) On 6/18/2013 10:27 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: I depends on how they require it, Jim. This is a 25 year old vehicle. a 1988. What are your local emission testing requirements for something that age? DirtDoc *From: *Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com *To: *Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com, dirt...@comcast.net *Cc: *Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent: *Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:44:25 PM *Subject: *RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Austin has emissions testing also, so I'm out as a buyer. -- Jim
[SWR] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
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Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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Don, your truck eats other trucks for breakfast. That Suburban has to wait until dinner. From: Don Arburn Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6421 - Release Date: 06/18/13
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One that delivers food? From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.commailto:donarb...@mac.com wrote: The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale. Sent cellularly. -Don On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.commailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy? -S. From: dirt...@comcast.netmailto:dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
That's similar to my 1988 'burb 3/4 ton 4x4. Mine was a RV Special, special ordered from the factory with all heavy duty options. Ever two years the previous owner (owned a construction company) bought his wife a new caddy and bought custom ordered a new suburban for himself. Big car lots consider any trade in with over 70,000 miles as a high mileage vehicle and try to get rid of them as soon a possible. This one had 73,000 miles on it and a winch, nobody wanted it with the 8,000 lb Warren wench. Got a great deal on it, drove it until it had 170,000+ miles and sold it to Ed Goff (first truck I ever owned I was willing to sell to someone I knew their name. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4269590157797set=a.1528064181361.61354.1827398679type=1theater - it's a public photo on Facebook so you may see it without an account. loved that truck! Butch From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM To: Cave NM; Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has honestly advertised it. . Go to the Drop Box Link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m Dwight ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Suburbans
I owned serial Suburbans back in the day, starting back when they were actually trucks and not all tricked out like rolling whorehouses with headliners and the like. There was actually metal on the interior that you could screw stuff to. My first one had only three doors, two on the curb side and one for the driver--not counting the tailgate, of course. The second seat was optional back then, and had to be unbolted to be removed. My experience with them has made me swear to never buy anything from GM again, and I haven't. Mostly nuisances like broken door handles, failed light switches, snapped speedometer cables, leaky driveline seals, etc. etc. etc. An engine-mount bolt fell out up in the Purificación cave area in Mexico. When a fuel pump failed on one of them, a dealer fixed it but returned the truck to me with the sparkplug wires mixed up. (Not clear why they were even removed.) The last straw was when my last one had a total ignition failure on the way home from a Sunday swim two days before I had to leave for an NSS convention somewhere in the NW. Then on the way home the fuel pump on that one went out, too. I suppose some people think things like that just add spice to a trip. I kept none of them beyond ~ 130K miles. Your mileage may vary. -- Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Suburbans
Like Bill, I have been driving two Tortugas that many of you know. The first was a 59 1/2 ton I bought in 1961 , the second the 3/4 ton with a one-ton front axel that Ken Laidlaw bought new. When he got tired of his Big Toy, I bought it and put it to Real Work . I ended up after 30 years with over 480K on that one (with four hart transplants) . In 2003 I gave it to my son in Albuquerque. I was trying to get it to an NSS convention and put it in the auction, but it did not quite happen. Pity! The 3/4 ton 1988's were about at the peak of Suburban toughness and durability, although there wa s a sight degrading compared to my 69, but only an expert would see it. A far cry from the truck-on-a-passenger -car-chassis that have been produced since. I really would not want one of the new ones - there are better vehicles out there for my - and most cavers - purposes. The really smart upgrade (along with a bunch of other things) t hat Dan added to this one is the 25% Gear Vendors overdrive. I think he is probably quite honest when he says he got 16-17 MPG in overdrive driving 75MPH on the interstate from Seattle to Estes Park ( 1500 miles). That truck is about 6000 pounds, empty. You should read all the upgrades he has done to the thing - on the DropBox link. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:51:00 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Suburbans I owned serial Suburbans back in the day, starting back when they were actually trucks and not all tricked out like rolling whorehouses with headliners and the like. There was actually metal on the interior that you could screw stuff to. My first one had only three doors, two on the curb side and one for the driver--not counting the tailgate, of course. The second seat was optional back then, and had to be unbolted to be removed. My experience with them has made me swear to never buy anything from GM again, and I haven't. Mostly nuisances like broken door handles, failed light switches, snapped speedometer cables, leaky driveline seals, etc. etc. etc. An engine-mount bolt fell out up in the Purificación cave area in Mexico. When a fuel pump failed on one of them, a dealer fixed it but returned the truck to me with the sparkplug wires mixed up. (Not clear why they were even removed.) The last straw was when my last one had a total ignition failure on the way home from a Sunday swim two days before I had to leave for an NSS convention somewhere in the NW. Then on the way home the fuel pump on that one went out, too. I suppose some people think things like that just add spice to a trip. I kept none of them beyond ~ 130K miles. Your mileage may vary. -- Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
