Re: [Texascavers] Caving accident in Peru
Here are a few new links--news updates, video, and apparently a partial map of the cave--from a Peruvian friend. Google translates as well as I could. http://elcomercio.pe/peru/amazonas/socorristas-espanoles-llegan-rescatar-cecilio-lopez-noticia-1758351 http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2014/09/21/541ecbb8e2704ef54d8b4577.html http://elcomercio.pe/peru/ancash/equipo-alta-montana-huaraz-llego-cueva-intimachay-noticia-1758397 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmOTPH8JEYMfeature=youtu.be http://espeleoclubandinoperu.blogspot.com.es/2014/09/cueva-intimachay-distrito-de-leymebamba_20.html Ed On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ed, Any further news about this rescue? My Spanish is not so good. (My English ain't right either.) Josh On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Ed Goff via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: A Spanish caver from Madrid apparently was injured yesterday in a cave near Leymebamba in northern Peru and is awaiting rescue: http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2242504/0/espeleologo-madrileno/atrapado-cueva/peru/ It looks like the Federación Madrileña de Espeleología is sending a team to Peru on Saturday to help: http://www.fmespeleologia.org/ Ed ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Caving accident in Peru
A Spanish caver from Madrid apparently was injured yesterday in a cave near Leymebamba in northern Peru and is awaiting rescue: http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2242504/0/espeleologo-madrileno/atrapado-cueva/peru/ It looks like the Federación Madrileña de Espeleología is sending a team to Peru on Saturday to help: http://www.fmespeleologia.org/ Ed ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
The MTDE Amazonia is my favorite. Comfortable, fairly compact, rugged, and the lowest attachment point of any harness I've tried, which is great for frogging. I don't know if anybody's importing it these days--with international shipping and exchange rates it might not quite fit $100. I think I got mine from starlessriver.com in the UK. I also used a GGG harness for a few years and liked it fine without a butt loop. Ed On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: I added leg padding and a padded/adjustable butt loop to my GGG harness, to make the perfect harness for me. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: People keep mentioning these butt loops, so I have to ask... Why doesn't the harness come with them in the first place? Would seem like poor design to me... -S -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:27 AM To: GalenFalgout; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I'll suggest the GGG, too. As for butt loops. I just used some 3 mm accessory cord. I ran the cord through the loop at the back of the waist strap and then tied off to each leg loop. That has worked for years--cheap, easy, and simple. Allan -Original Message- From: GalenFalgout Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:59 AM To: Don Arburn ; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I just paid 60 for my ggg. I just need to add some butt loops Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Hey Butch, That was a great truck, and I never regretted buying her from you. In fact, after I got her up to about 230K miles, I sold her for a profit (not counting several repairs and some minor restoration work). She never let me down south of the border, and the stateside breakdowns are now fond memories, like when the fuel pump died as I was turning across traffic into the path of an oncoming bus--ironically, on my way to a first aid course. Good times! I sold her to someone from SLP, so who knows, she and her great big winch may be roaming the sierra even now. Ed On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Butch Fralia (CAVEDBA) cave...@att.net wrote: That's similar to my 1988 'burb 3/4 ton 4x4. Mine was a RV Special, special ordered from the factory with all heavy duty options. Ever two years the previous owner (owned a construction company) bought his wife a new caddy and bought custom ordered a new suburban for himself. Big car lots consider any trade in with over 70,000 miles as a high mileage vehicle and try to get rid of them as soon a possible. This one had 73,000 miles on it and a winch, nobody wanted it with the 8,000 lb Warren wench. Got a great deal on it, drove it until it had 170,000+ miles and sold it to Ed Goff (first truck I ever owned I was willing to sell to someone I knew their name. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4269590157797set=a.1528064181361.61354.1827398679type=1theater - it's a public photo on Facebook so you may see it without an account. loved that truck! Butch - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
The MTDE Amazonia is my favorite. Comfortable, fairly compact, rugged, and the lowest attachment point of any harness I've tried, which is great for frogging. I don't know if anybody's importing it these days--with international shipping and exchange rates it might not quite fit $100. I think I got mine from starlessriver.com in the UK. I also used a GGG harness for a few years and liked it fine without a butt loop. Ed On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: I added leg padding and a padded/adjustable butt loop to my GGG harness, to make the perfect harness for me. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: People keep mentioning these butt loops, so I have to ask... Why doesn't the harness come with them in the first place? Would seem like poor design to me... -S -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:27 AM To: GalenFalgout; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I'll suggest the GGG, too. As for butt loops. I just used some 3 mm accessory cord. I ran the cord through the loop at the back of the waist strap and then tied off to each leg loop. That has worked for years--cheap, easy, and simple. Allan -Original Message- From: GalenFalgout Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:59 AM To: Don Arburn ; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I just paid 60 for my ggg. I just need to add some butt loops Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Hey Butch, That was a great truck, and I never regretted buying her from you. In fact, after I got her up to about 230K miles, I sold her for a profit (not counting several repairs and some minor restoration work). She never let me down south of the border, and the stateside breakdowns are now fond memories, like when the fuel pump died as I was turning across traffic into the path of an oncoming bus--ironically, on my way to a first aid course. Good times! I sold her to someone from SLP, so who knows, she and her great big winch may be roaming the sierra even now. Ed On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Butch Fralia (CAVEDBA) cave...@att.net wrote: That's similar to my 1988 'burb 3/4 ton 4x4. Mine was a RV Special, special ordered from the factory with all heavy duty options. Ever two years the previous owner (owned a construction company) bought his wife a new caddy and bought custom ordered a new suburban for himself. Big car lots consider any trade in with over 70,000 miles as a high mileage vehicle and try to get rid of them as soon a possible. This one had 73,000 miles on it and a winch, nobody wanted it with the 8,000 lb Warren wench. Got a great deal on it, drove it until it had 170,000+ miles and sold it to Ed Goff (first truck I ever owned I was willing to sell to someone I knew their name. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4269590157797set=a.1528064181361.61354.1827398679type=1theater - it's a public photo on Facebook so you may see it without an account. loved that truck! Butch - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
The MTDE Amazonia is my favorite. Comfortable, fairly compact, rugged, and the lowest attachment point of any harness I've tried, which is great for frogging. I don't know if anybody's importing it these days--with international shipping and exchange rates it might not quite fit $100. I think I got mine from starlessriver.com in the UK. I also used a GGG harness for a few years and liked it fine without a butt loop. Ed On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: I added leg padding and a padded/adjustable butt loop to my GGG harness, to make the perfect harness for me. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: People keep mentioning these butt loops, so I have to ask... Why doesn't the harness come with them in the first place? Would seem like poor design to me... -S -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:27 AM To: GalenFalgout; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I'll suggest the GGG, too. As for butt loops. I just used some 3 mm accessory cord. I ran the cord through the loop at the back of the waist strap and then tied off to each leg loop. That has worked for years--cheap, easy, and simple. Allan -Original Message- From: GalenFalgout Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:59 AM To: Don Arburn ; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I just paid 60 for my ggg. I just need to add some butt loops Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] food
I'd like to recognize Nancy's suave change of subject. Style points! Spam Singles are highly water resistant, pack well, and make tidy tacos. I can see how Imitation Vienna Sausage could be good, on the same principle as the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ed On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: This is still the sort of food that works well for IN-cave dining, especially wet caves. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote: anyone else remember when the gourmet meal during and post caving was an open unheated can of something, often glugged down without benefit of the unnecessary weight of a spoon? campbells soup was popular as well as beanie weanies and god knows whatever other delights.
Re: [Texascavers] food
I'd like to recognize Nancy's suave change of subject. Style points! Spam Singles are highly water resistant, pack well, and make tidy tacos. I can see how Imitation Vienna Sausage could be good, on the same principle as the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ed On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: This is still the sort of food that works well for IN-cave dining, especially wet caves. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote: anyone else remember when the gourmet meal during and post caving was an open unheated can of something, often glugged down without benefit of the unnecessary weight of a spoon? campbells soup was popular as well as beanie weanies and god knows whatever other delights.
Re: [Texascavers] food
I'd like to recognize Nancy's suave change of subject. Style points! Spam Singles are highly water resistant, pack well, and make tidy tacos. I can see how Imitation Vienna Sausage could be good, on the same principle as the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ed On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: This is still the sort of food that works well for IN-cave dining, especially wet caves. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote: anyone else remember when the gourmet meal during and post caving was an open unheated can of something, often glugged down without benefit of the unnecessary weight of a spoon? campbells soup was popular as well as beanie weanies and god knows whatever other delights.
Re: [Texascavers] Need a new harness, any suggestions.
Ryan, My favorite of all the harnesses I've used is the MTDE Amazonia. It has a very low attachment point, which is important for a frog system. It's from Spain and can be hard to find. I think I ordered my last one from starlessriver.com, a UK retailer. I haven't checked lately to see if any US shops are carrying it now. All the Petzls I've worn had high attachment points and didn't work well for me. The GGG Caver harness is pretty good. Ed On Dec 7, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Ryan Monjaras trog...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking to get a new caving harness to replace my rock climbing one. What is best, a GGG seat harness, CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper Harness, Singing Rock Harness, Petzl Super Avanti or Petzl Fractio. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778
Re: [Texascavers] Need a new harness, any suggestions.
Ryan, My favorite of all the harnesses I've used is the MTDE Amazonia. It has a very low attachment point, which is important for a frog system. It's from Spain and can be hard to find. I think I ordered my last one from starlessriver.com, a UK retailer. I haven't checked lately to see if any US shops are carrying it now. All the Petzls I've worn had high attachment points and didn't work well for me. The GGG Caver harness is pretty good. Ed On Dec 7, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Ryan Monjaras trog...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking to get a new caving harness to replace my rock climbing one. What is best, a GGG seat harness, CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper Harness, Singing Rock Harness, Petzl Super Avanti or Petzl Fractio. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778
Re: [Texascavers] Need a new harness, any suggestions.
Ryan, My favorite of all the harnesses I've used is the MTDE Amazonia. It has a very low attachment point, which is important for a frog system. It's from Spain and can be hard to find. I think I ordered my last one from starlessriver.com, a UK retailer. I haven't checked lately to see if any US shops are carrying it now. All the Petzls I've worn had high attachment points and didn't work well for me. The GGG Caver harness is pretty good. Ed On Dec 7, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Ryan Monjaras trog...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking to get a new caving harness to replace my rock climbing one. What is best, a GGG seat harness, CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper Harness, Singing Rock Harness, Petzl Super Avanti or Petzl Fractio. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778
Re: [Texascavers] Cave connection in England yields 70 mile system
In the difficult conditions 300ft below, the team experienced ten bars of atmospheric pressure... The poor buggers. Have the bodies been recovered yet? ;) Ed On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote: Great cave connections anywhere in the world always make good reading. Boxhead Pot and Notts Pot have been connected to make up the Three Counties System with 70 miles mapped! http://tinyurl.com/8xor92q Lee Skinner
Re: [Texascavers] Cave connection in England yields 70 mile system
In the difficult conditions 300ft below, the team experienced ten bars of atmospheric pressure... The poor buggers. Have the bodies been recovered yet? ;) Ed On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote: Great cave connections anywhere in the world always make good reading. Boxhead Pot and Notts Pot have been connected to make up the Three Counties System with 70 miles mapped! http://tinyurl.com/8xor92q Lee Skinner
Re: [Texascavers] Cave connection in England yields 70 mile system
In the difficult conditions 300ft below, the team experienced ten bars of atmospheric pressure... The poor buggers. Have the bodies been recovered yet? ;) Ed On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote: Great cave connections anywhere in the world always make good reading. Boxhead Pot and Notts Pot have been connected to make up the Three Counties System with 70 miles mapped! http://tinyurl.com/8xor92q Lee Skinner
[DFWgrotto] DFW Grotto Meeting Sept. 28
The DFW Grotto meeting is next Wednesday, Sept. 28, 6:45 p.m. at REI at 635 and Welch. This month we have a professionally produced caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. Grotto T-shirts: Around 15 people responded with size/color choices, so we're in pretty good shape now for a t-shirt order. I thought I'd wait until the day after the meeting to place the order. I'll try to bring color swatches to the meeting. See you there! Ed ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
[DFWgrotto] DFW Grotto Meeting Sept. 28
The DFW Grotto meeting is next Wednesday, Sept. 28, 6:45 p.m. at REI at 635 and Welch. This month we have a professionally produced caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. Grotto T-shirts: Around 15 people responded with size/color choices, so we're in pretty good shape now for a t-shirt order. I thought I'd wait until the day after the meeting to place the order. I'll try to bring color swatches to the meeting. See you there! Ed ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
[DFWgrotto] DFW Grotto Meeting Sept. 28
The DFW Grotto meeting is next Wednesday, Sept. 28, 6:45 p.m. at REI at 635 and Welch. This month we have a professionally produced caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. Grotto T-shirts: Around 15 people responded with size/color choices, so we're in pretty good shape now for a t-shirt order. I thought I'd wait until the day after the meeting to place the order. I'll try to bring color swatches to the meeting. See you there! Ed ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
[Texascavers] Canceling Mexico Vehicle Import Permit
I've driven into Mexico quite a few times and learned much about the processes involved--and what can go wrong--but I've never stumbled onto the answer to one question. Before I embark on as grail-like a quest as trying to contact the Mexican consulate in Dallas (no one answers, and the voicemail is always full and can't accept any more messages), I thought I'd try here, where the impressive expertise on all things right-wing-paranoiac fills me with confidence that I'll obtain a factual answer: Is it possible to cancel permisos de importación temporal de vehículos anywhere north of the border? And if so, where and how? Ed
[Texascavers] Canceling Mexico Vehicle Import Permit
I've driven into Mexico quite a few times and learned much about the processes involved--and what can go wrong--but I've never stumbled onto the answer to one question. Before I embark on as grail-like a quest as trying to contact the Mexican consulate in Dallas (no one answers, and the voicemail is always full and can't accept any more messages), I thought I'd try here, where the impressive expertise on all things right-wing-paranoiac fills me with confidence that I'll obtain a factual answer: Is it possible to cancel permisos de importación temporal de vehículos anywhere north of the border? And if so, where and how? Ed
[Texascavers] Canceling Mexico Vehicle Import Permit
I've driven into Mexico quite a few times and learned much about the processes involved--and what can go wrong--but I've never stumbled onto the answer to one question. Before I embark on as grail-like a quest as trying to contact the Mexican consulate in Dallas (no one answers, and the voicemail is always full and can't accept any more messages), I thought I'd try here, where the impressive expertise on all things right-wing-paranoiac fills me with confidence that I'll obtain a factual answer: Is it possible to cancel permisos de importación temporal de vehículos anywhere north of the border? And if so, where and how? Ed
Re: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
Rapellent things, no doubt. Ed On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: “Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and repelling equipment.” ** ** What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!!** ** ** ** --Stefan ** ** *From:* wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. ** ** http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
Rapellent things, no doubt. Ed On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: “Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and repelling equipment.” ** ** What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!!** ** ** ** --Stefan ** ** *From:* wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. ** ** http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
Rapellent things, no doubt. Ed On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: “Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and repelling equipment.” ** ** What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!!** ** ** ** --Stefan ** ** *From:* wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. ** ** http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Bretz's flood
There's also a NOVA documentary about this called Mystery of the Megaflood: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/ Ed On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:40 AM, tbsam...@verizon.net wrote: Images are here.. http://hugefloods.com/Video.html http://iceagefloods.blogspot.com/ One of these washed up the Willamette Valley, BTW. The intelligent design folks use this stuff, too. Be careful out there. T Feb 15, 2011 06:34:14 AM, tbsam...@verizon.net wrote: I think there's a computer generated model of this flood somewhere out there...if I find it, I'll post it. let me take you to the Channeled Scablands, baby! T Feb 14, 2011 07:58:53 PM, gi...@att.net wrote: Interesting, Diana. Thanks --Ediger On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote: I first heard of the Glacial Lake Missoula flood in my Physical Geology class at Washington State University. The most famous coulee that resulted from the flood was of course the one that was filled with water as a result of the Grand Coulee Dam. It was always a treat to hear about interesting geologic formations (and the state of Washington is full of them), then go on a short road trip to see them firsthand. For photos of the current landscape and an interesting graphic outlining the extent of the flooding, see this article from the Washington State University alumni magazine and also the Ice Age Floods Institute web site. http://wsm.wsu.edu/s/index.php?id=472 http://www.iafi.org/ Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Feb 13, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Mixon Bill wrote: The cave connection of this second item from the Windy City Speleonews is just J Harlen Bretz. Yes, no period after the J, which was his full name. I had lunch with him when he was 94 at his house, Boulderstrewn, in Homewood, Illinois. I happened to drive by, on the way to the NSS convention in Bellingham, Washington, a few years ago, the Dry Falls three miles wide, where the state of Washington has a picnic area and displays. One non-technical source on the falls is http://www.gonorthwest.com/Washington/northeast/Dry_Falls.htm, although links onward from that page are broken. -- Mixon Cavers know J Harlen Bretz mainly as the author of Caves of Missouri and coauthor of Caves of Illinois, which was published when he was 78 years old. To speleologists, he is best known for his famous 1942 Journal of Geology paper on vadose and phreatic features of caves. But his geological studies were by no means restricted to caves, and he is probably best known for (and is most proud of) of series of papers published between 1923 and 1932 in which he described the very peculiar geology of a large area in eastern Washington that he correctly attributed to a catastrophic flood. This theory was considered outrageous at the time, partly, at least, because it was a departure from the only recently ascendent geological dogma of uniformitarianism. But more recent research has fully proved him right. A lake, called Lake Missoula, was created in western Montana by a dam of glacier ice in northern Idaho. The lake contained some four hundred cubic miles of water that were released suddenly when melting caused the dam to fail. The resulting flood, called the Spokane Flood after the city presently near the upstream end, scoured nearly three thousand square miles down to bedrock and created huge canyons and cataracts, one three miles wide. It deposited gravel bars, some of which contain boulders several feet in diameter, a hundred feet high and a mile long, topped with giant current ripple-marks ten feet high. The water ponded behind the Wallula Gap, through which it poured a thousand feet deep. The peak flow from Lake Missoula, attested to by current ripples fifty feet high, has been calculated at twenty million cubic meters per second. (This is fifteen _cubic miles_ per hour. For comparison purposes, it is one hundred fifty times the mean flow of the Amazon River and ten or twenty times the total average flow of fresh water into the oceans of the world.) In a few days, it was all over. (Actually, there were a good number of such floods, as the ice dam reestablished itself. Note added 2011.) A fearless man cannot be brave. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe,
Re: [Texascavers] Fake Petzl products
Awesome! Lead carabiners would be great for cave divers. What could you do with a melamine headlamp? Feed it to your cat? Ed On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Fofo gonza...@msu.edu wrote: ¡Hola! Well, it had to happen at some point: Petzl has detected fake products out there: http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/02/attention-petzl-warns-for-fake-chinese.html Let's be careful. - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Boquillas crossing reopening
Heard on NPR that the border crossing at Boquillas in Big Bend is to be reopened. Brief article: http://bit.ly/h0F3ga Ed
[Texascavers] Re: Boquillas crossing reopening - update
According to the San Antonio Express-News and Houston Chronicle, it will be an unmanned, informal boat crossing open to the public as in the past, but with a techno-gizmo for showing documents to officials at a remote facility. Scheduled to open April 2012. Ed On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Ed Goff eg...@alumni.rice.edu wrote: Heard on NPR that the border crossing at Boquillas in Big Bend is to be reopened. Brief article: http://bit.ly/h0F3ga Ed
[Texascavers] How bats hear water
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Re: [Texascavers] UIS Anthem Competition
Hi George, Too bad it can't be based on existing music. The Internationale is in the public domain and you'd only need to change a few words: Debout, les damnés de la terre Debout, chatières des cavernes La raison tonne en son cratère C'est l'éruption de la fin Du passé faisons table rase Spéléologues, debout, debout Le monde va changer de base Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout C'est la lutte finale Groupons-nous, et demain L'Internationale de Spéléologie Sera le genre humain! Ed On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:25 AM, George Veni wrote: Dear Friends, If you were at the International Congress of Speleology last year, you may remember that it began by the first raising of the UIS’ (International Union of Speleology) flag. Everyone was pleased to see the flag, but something was missing. It was very quiet. When a flag is raised, it is usually raised with music. Below is information from Ian Chandler who is organizing a competition to create an anthem for the UIS. I am sending this message to a couple of caver e-mail lists, plus several cavers around the world who are musically talented or who may know musically talented people. Please feel free to distribute this message to other people you think may be interested in writing an anthem for the UIS. Please send any questions and entries to Ian Chandler (see below). George - UIS Anthem Conditions of competition Entries to be between 60 to 90 seconds in length All entries must be provided digitally to the UIS Bureau through the UIS Arts and Letters Commission (Ian Ellis Chandler). Entries to be received by Arts and Letters Commission by end January, 2012. They will be considered by the Bureau summer meeting 2012. The Bureau retains the option not to select any entry as suitable. The digital entry will not include lyrics. Lyrics can be attached, and a digital audio version can be presented. Lyrics can be in any of the following languages of the UIS: English, French, German, Italian, Russian or Spanish. Entries must be original and not based on any existing music. Entries should be universal and not in a style generally associated with any country. The style should capable of appealing for many years and not based on any particular modern style. Entries should try to capture the spirit of speleology. The winning entry (if one is selected) will be revealed at the Opening Ceremony of the 2013 ICS in Brno, Czech Republic, as the UIS flag is hoisted. There is no financial award, except the honour of composing the UIS Anthem. Initial contact to: Ian Ellis Chandler. MA UIS Arts and Letters Commission artca...@yahoo.es Telephone: 0034 942619903 (Spain)
Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Jim's Final Journey
This is very sad news. I only got to meet Jim once, on a weeklong caving trip in The Bob Marshall Wilderness in Montana a few years ago, and I've never forgotten what a great guy he is. I don't think I've ever met a nicer person. I have a fond memory of how he hiked me into the ground, at nearly twice my age, on the last day of the trip when the two of us took off to look for entrances above a resurgence and covered about 20 miles together. Afterward, my feet were so swollen I couldn't get them back into my shoes. (Needless to say, his feet were fine.) I wish I could remember what he said about that, but I just remember that it was both funny AND gracious. Ed For those interested (and there will be at least a couple), I pass this along. John - Original Message - From: michael mceachern Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: FW: Jim's Final Journey To NRMG Members: Jim Chester, Montana's premier caver, died on Saturday, July 31. I am passing along this email for our grotto president (Mike is in the Bob Marshall on a caving trip). Some of you might want to attend the memorial service on Monday. Nancy Boice Sec/ NRMG Subject: Fw: Jim's Final Journey Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 05:21:23 -0500 From: bill.ste...@scouting.org To: cav...@msn.com From: Susan Conrad susanmariecon...@gmail.com Sent: Mon Aug 02 20:12:59 2010 Subject: Jim's Final Journey There is a spiritual presence which can aptly cushion our every fall, bringing comfort and subtle meaning to our lives. However, we'll not feel this gentle comfort unless we attune ourselves to the others in our company. It's within another's soul that we sense the beacon of light which illuminates the way we're traveling. — author unknown Jim Chester was a beacon of light for me, undoubtedly. He guided me, inspired me, and kept many of you informed during my personal journey up the Inside Passage of British Columbia and Southeast Alaska earlier this summer. An email seems so stark, so impersonal, even soul-less for something of this nature but I know of no other way to inform all the friends and loved ones whose lives he touched immeasurably. After a 4 week struggle in the aftermath of quadruple bypass surgery complicated by renal failure, Jim Chester passed away at his Eureka, Montana home on July 30th. He experienced 66 years of living life to the absolute fullest. His life philosophy was to follow his curiosity and see where it led him. It led him to many special places; to the oceans deep, to the mountains high, to the depths of caverns and the love of life and discovery and exploration. It also led him to many special people - all of you. Many of you never had the opportunity to meet this brilliant, compassionate, incredibly rare man but did come to know him through his eloquent words as he kept you posted on my journey up the Inside Passage. He was with me every stroke of the way, and brought you all along for the ride. And what a thrill it was - Jim's final adventure with me, with all of us. In the end, he confidently and proudly confronted his health issues, well aware that his own personal medical Cape Caution as he referred to it, loomed on the horizon with much at stake. I was the last one to see and speak with Jim, the day before he died. He talked about the day he would be able to cave, hike, ski and kayak again... We reminiscenced and I assured him he would one day be doing those physical activities which he loved so much again - soon. I was, unfortunately, wrong. The adventure is over but the adventurer will never be forgotten. Jim had an impressive list of accomplishments in his life. Here is a brief synopsis: Jim’s passion was cave exploration, specifically of the alpine wilderness cave systems of Montana. He was a Fellow of The Explorers Club and The National Speleological Society. The NSS has recognized Jim's achievements with their highest award for exploration. He served on the Board of Directors of The Alpine Karst Foundation and was a member of The U.S. Cave Exploration Committee of the NSS. He was past editor of Alpine Karst, and author (ghost) of the latest edition of the Boy Scouts of America Orienteering Merit Badge Booklet. He was the chapters editor for The Explorers Log. He kayaked nearly 2000 ocean miles; dived thermal features in Yellowstone National Park; rappelled into a 240 foot well in a European medieval castle and discovered a new species of amphipod in a Glacier National Park Cave. Jim has carried The Explorers Club Flag twice, once in 2007 and once in 2009. Jim was the recipient of The 2005 Vancouver Award of The Pacific Northwest Chapter and was the 2010 Explorers Club Citation of Merit Awardee for outstanding service to the Explorers Club as the Chapters Editor of The Explorers Log and for his extraordinary contributions to the field of cave
Re: [Texascavers] 52 Ways to Die in a Cave
62. The most common cause of death on TexasCavers: Armchair Compression Syndrome Sorry Terri. Next up: 52 ways to let this thread die? Ed On May 25, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote: 61. Rock paranoia, will destroy ya... Diana - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] karst on Saturn's moon
If a is going to turn out to equal b, then a-b has to be 0, therefore in your first step you multiplied both sides of the equation by 0. In caving terms, this would be equivalent to the following: If you start out in a cave with 2 stalactites of equal length, and you break both of them off and throw them away, they are still equal. Ed On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Bill Walden wrote: To Fofo and all, With reference to phd comics! One can easily prove any two numbers equal. I remember this from high school days ugh, 50 some years ago: Given: One can maintain the equality of an equation as long as the same operation is done to both sides. a+b=cMultiply both sides by (a-b) a2-b2=ca-cbSubtract ca from both sides, add b2 to both sides a2-ca=b2-cbComplete the square by adding c2/4 to both sides a2-ca+c2/4=b2-cb+b2/4 now take the square root of both sides a-c/2=b-c/2Add c/2 to both sides a=b Beautiful -- right? Try substituting real numbers such as 2+3=5 and maintain the format. Results: 2=3. What does this have to do with caving?? It sure could screw up our surveys! I bet the press would have fun with this. OK where is the fallacy? Best regards, Bill Walden - Original Message - From: Fofo gonza...@msu.edu To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] karst on Saturn's moon It goes something like this: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1174 - Fofo Mixon Bill wrote, on 5/3/10 7:03: Where do they find those idiots to write press releases? ... - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: For those of you still thinking about caving with carbide...
Mark, Check out some youtube videos of Dutch carbide shooting and see if you still think these people couldn't--or wouldn't--play with liquid oxygen. I hope we never go to war with the Netherlands. Intercontinental ballistic soccerballs? Here's a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nCsVXEu_w Ed Louise Power submitted Carbide Shooting 2010 Darwin Award Nominee Confirmed True by Darwin This may be true, but there are so many errors in the synopsis that I have my doubts. Calcium carbide is CaC2, not CaCb, and the gas it forms is acetylene, not ethylene. And where did a man from a rural village get liquid oxygen? Even if he had liquid oxygen, the oxygen container would not have exploded, but rather whatever he was pouring it onto. Seems mighty suspicious to me. I have no doubt that the actions described would have been devastating, but if someone from Darwin confirmed the story, they should have at least corrected the factual errors. Mark Minton You may reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Allcavers] Welcome new caver
Milo Alexander Enrico Goff was born at 1:44 a.m., 25 November, after an epic trip. He weighed 6 lbs. 13.5 oz. Milo and mom Laura Chapuis are doing well. Ed Goff eg...@rice.edu ___ To Subscribe to this list send a blank message to: allcavers-subscr...@metroplexcavers.org To Unsubscribe send a blank message to: allcavers-unsubscr...@metroplexcavers.org
[Texascavers] Welcome new caver
Milo Alexander Enrico Goff was born at 1:44 a.m., 25 November, after an epic trip. He weighed 6 lbs. 13.5 oz. Milo and mom Laura Chapuis are doing well. Ed Goff eg...@rice.edu
Re: [Texascavers] Figure-8 not proper for caving?
Fofo, Any physicists out there please correct me, but I think the only measurable effect of the Coriolis force on a caver would be the same effect it has on a pendulum: If a caver--say one who has fallen asleep on-rope from reading too much Texascavers and died from harness compression syndrome--is swinging back and forth on the end of a rope, he wouldn't spin, but the plane of his oscillation would precess at an angular speed proportional to the sine of his latitude, clockwise in the northern hemisphere, counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere. The next time you have to flatrock someone, you could perform this experiment to measure the latitude of the cave you're in! Ed Well, maybe it'll start spinning backwards, and then, if movies have taught me something, time would move back and we can do important things like avoiding sending those text messages after a long night partying that ended up being not such a good idea the following day... - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Bat Box Curmudgeons
Hey, Did anyone who spouted off on this actually read the article first? It's about attempting to mitigate the effects of white-nose syndrome, which is decimating bat populations and has seen a lot of discussion on this list. I'm surprised to see cavers being derisively laissez- faire about it. Thanks, Crash, for the informative response. Ed - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Nasty experiences with bat guano
You mean las colon-drinas? Entonces, ya basta. I didn't think the guano lake in Sorcerer's was that bad--but then I didn't fall in up to my lips. What I didn't like so much was the waterfall of dry dirt and dust that pours on you as you climb one of the drops. Ed This concludes the class on Guanonomics I. We may now all await the return of the Swallows to Crapistrano. F
[Texascavers] Shameless Commerce Division (OT)
For eco-minded cavewomen who wear clothes: My fiancee Laura Chapuis designs a line of organic/sustainable women's clothing called Habitude. Here's her website, which has an online store offering selected styles and on-sale items (click stores to locate any styles you don't find in the online store): http://habitude.org For those in the navel of the caving universe, the Whole Foods flagship store on Lamar carries a few Habitude styles. Caver Discount In the habitude.org online store, enter the coupon code CAVEGREEN at checkout for 30% off any order. Ed - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] personal - medical
oh, so he doesn't have radiation poisoning! he just got a cat scan. i was thinking perhaps the russians had been monitoring texascavers and sent him a polonium-laced tamale. maybe he just has a flashlight stuck in his colon. thanks for forwarding, charles! ed -- Forwarded message -- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM Subject: [ot_caving] personal - medical To: o...@texascavers.com Someone recently mentioned that it sucks getting old. Friday after work, I would have liked to have loaded up the car and gone on a 3 day road trip. Instead, I spent the late afternoon at a clinic. I had to get a CAT scan of my abdominal area. The hardest part of the exam, was I don't give blood easily, and as usual it took several needles to get it. One of the needles under the knuckle was the most painful of the bunch. Then they made me drink almost a quart of liquid that was similar to Kaopectate, except it tasted a little like drinking paint. I was told that the radiation I received was equivalent to the normal radiation I would receive over a 3 year period. So, I guess I need to go underground for a while to hide from the solar rays. The doctor should get the results today. I have an annoying pain in the left colon area. I think it is a pulled muscle. The bad news so far, is that my insurance paid only paid $ 150 of the the $ 1,200 exam. There goes my LED light budget for the next few months. My only other news, is that I have not had a drop of carbonated water in 5 months. I am fighting my addiction to Dr. Pepper, Coca Cola, etc. I saw the Indiana Jones movie this weekend. It is really hard to go to the movie and not drink a soda. Or is that just me?I thought the movie was over-rated and some of the CGI in the movie was just a little too far fetched. It seemed obvious that there will be at least one more sequel if not 2 more. It was $ 18.50 for my wife and I to attend the movie. Maybe that is why I didn't enjoy it. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Who is E.D.F.?
Thanks, but I already have enough old Chouinard biners. Maybe it stands for Extremely Dangerous / Fatal. Ed My guess would be ED gofF. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: The only person I could think of would be Eric Flint. While organizing my vertical gear - I found an old Chounard standard gate carabiner - (somewhat weakened perhaps) - with the initials EDF deeply stamped into it. -WaV - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru
I've been caving in the Chachapoyas area, and there's certainly a lot of great caving and archaeological potential, and cool stuff like the 3rd tallest waterfall in the world (Catarata Gocta) and the Chachapoyan fortress of Kuelap, larger and at higher elevation than Machu Picchu. Ed I received this email today and thought I would pass it on for those that may be interested. Feel free to post to other groups that may have cavers interested in following up. Mark Passerby, Cavediggers.com Hello Mark, My name is also Mark and I am an Australian who has lived in Peru for 7-8 years now. I have traveled a LOT in this country and I have wanted to tell someone about one of the more interesting places I have been for quite a while now � I think you may be that person. 3 years ago I was traveling in the Department of Amazonas about 4 hours from the city of Chachapoyas (there are many famous ruins/sites being discovered there every year now). Anyway I was in the region of Rodriguez de Mendoza � at the town of��. Which is famous/known for little else than its thermal baths (lukewarm) and organic coffee producers. A very beautiful sub-tropical region. Whilst there I had the good fortune to meet a farmer who, upon learning that I was interested in ruins took me out to see some which he had on his farm. Many, many times I have heard and seen what followed: over the years Juan (or was it Jos�) had come across a number of tunnels/entrances to tunnels on his property � some of which he showed me had very strong currents of air coming out of them. None seemed to have a manageable entrance BUT The interesting thing (at least for me) was that one particular entrance had been (obviously) filled with tonnes and tonnes of rubble. It had been blocked up. As Juan/Jos� told me: When the Spaniards arrived the local people basically upped and left � breaking any available utensils or implements they couldn`t carry so that the Spaniards couldn`t use them � eg corn mills, stone utensils and the like � all cleanly broken into two or three. Now, for me the question is WHY? Why would the go to the trouble of blocking up tunnels with TONNES of rubble � knowing that an invader was coming. For me there had to be a GOOD reason. That there are tunnels and extensive tunnels in the region is all but undoubted. Locals often say (according to their traditions) that many of these extend well into other provinces. Many of the entrances are clearly visible from the road. Entrances abound but locals DO NOT enter them � superstition? For a while now I have wanted to tell of this place to an archaeologist but the very strong impression that I get of this discipline is that it (often/frequently) breeds people with their heads all too firmly fixed up there a***. Maybe cavers would be interested? So here I am. My name is Mark Dikstaal. I live in Lima, Peru and I am fascinated by the culture and history of this country. If any �cavers� you know are coming through the region I would be VERY happy to meet up with them and share information that I think may interest them � especially re this. All the best Mark Dikstaal lang...@ee-grupoatacocha.com.pe or elhuayruro...@yahoo.es is my other mail. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru
Hmm, apparently waterfall ranking can be a contentious subject among its serious devotees See http://tinyurl.com/uxy8p and http://www.world-waterfalls.com, which ranks Gocta 15th, Tugela Falls in S. Africa 2nd, and a different Peruvian waterfall 3rd, although the pictures of that one look more like several distinct waterfalls to me, but what do I know. Ed Which water fall is number two behind Angel Falls? Fritz - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Puerto Rico adventure cave tours in NY Times
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[Texascavers] Looking for Aurelio Duque Martinez
Howdy, If you have an e-mail address for San Luis Potosi caver Aurelio Duque Martinez, please send it to me off-list. Thanks, Ed - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: [How to cook bats]
I've eaten rat in SLP, boiled in a sopa. Cute little teeny muscles, tender, mild flavor. I think it would have been better grilled. And of course cuy (guinea pig) is a ubiquitous dish in the Andes. I didn't like it much, though. Ed I'm pretty sure that I ate rat embryos once in a very authentic Chinese restaurant in Chinatown in New York City. They were mammal embryos of some kind, brought around on a little cart with many other things. I didn't know what they were, and the waiter didn't speak any English. Then later I guy I know who works for Phillips Petroleum told me about eating at a banquet in the Forbidden City in Peking. There were 24 courses, one of which were rat embryos. I realized that it was probably what I'd eaten. And I saw rats on a stick in the Yochib, Chiapas market one time. I should have tried them. They were well charred. Bill - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] The Hardest Caving Trip in Texas
Hey, good summary, Bill! This was a hard trip. Maybe James's trip was the hardest in Texas since 1990--and after coming out and sleeping for 3 hours, he did a marathon drive to Zacaton. For the rest of us, it could be the hardest trip with a four-hour nap in the middle. ;) I think I remember being more exhausted after a push trip past the Mile Long Crawl. I still haven't ever done the through trip--maybe that's harder. Let's hear from other people about their hardest caving trip in Texas. I bet there are some good stories out there. Ed It will probably now be argued whether or not a tank haul trip to the back of Honey Creek Cave is the hardest caving trip in the state of Texas. However, Iâve been an active caver in Texas for 30 years, and itâs the hardest trip Iâve taken in the Lone Star State, and I've done several. Last Saturday, May 19, ten cavers carried a share each of the cave diving gear from the shaft entrance of Honey Creek Cave to the upstream sump, an in-cave distance of about three miles. The ten were James Brown (McKinney), who did the dive, Ed Goff (Dallas), Roy âPuppyâ Lewis (Houston), Diana Tomchick (Irving), Don Morley (San Antonio), Daniel Dase (Ft. Worth), Michael Cicherski (Boerne), Mark Gee (Dallas), Edwin Lehr (Krum), and me (Irving). We entered the cave at 10:45 a.m. and waded upstream. We reached the sump around 5:00 p.m. Our objective was for James to follow the dive line laid in the upstream sump by John Schweyan in two dives he did in 1989 and 1990. Schweyan surveyed 1,168 feet into the sump and it still goes the same. James Brownâs dive was an hour and 45 minutes long. He came to two places that the dive line was broken, so he patched it. When he got a foot cramp he turned around, still about 270 short of the end of the line. His visibility was about 30 feet going in and 20 feet coming out. The water was about a foot higher than when some of us had visited there last October, planning this effort. The trip out was smooth, though very long. Times spent on the trip varied by three hours between the first to reach the shaft entrance and the last two: 16 hours to 19 hours. A special thank you goes out to Don Broussard (Driftwood) and Kurt Menking (San Antonio). They manned the surface and operated the tractor to lower and raise us in the shaft entrance. They were up all night, keeping a camp fire blazing. Of special note was Daniel Dase, the new Maverick Grotto chairman. He's a new caver, but already he's a grotto chairman and a veteran of the hardest caving trip in Texas. We plan to return to the sump for James to push farther upstream in the fall. Bill Steele - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Other tall building rappels
Years ago, there was a plan floated to dredge a ship channel all the way up the Trinity River to Dallas, to make Dallas an inland port. In anticipation, one tall bridge was built over the Trinity River between downtown and Oak Cliff--the Jefferson Street bridge. In high school (mid-80s), three friends and I decided late one night to rappel off this bridge. We dropped two of them off in the middle of the bridge, and the other guy and I drove down to the riverbank below. We had a video camera, and the plan was for us to video the first two as they rappelled down to us, then switch places and do it again. Well, my friends had just tied the rope off to the bridge rail and thrown it over, when who should come driving across the bridge but a Dallas police officer. The great thing was that we were able to get the whole encounter on the bridge on video. We even had a very bright spotlight, and we knew we could escape before the cops could drive down to the river and get us, so we shone the spotlight up at the bridge and filmed as well as we could, convulsing with adolescent laughter. I'll never forget the cop's best line, which you could hear clearly on the tape shot from the riverbank beneath the bridge: Ain't gonna be no rappellin' tonight, Jack. Ed Twenty years ago or more, Smokey Caldwell, one of the founding owners of Pigeon Mountain Industries (as in PMI caving rope) went around rappelling off tall buildings. He even did a tyrolean traverse from the top of the Coca Cola building to the top of the CNN Tower in Atlanta. I know he did the 1,300 foot tall tower in Toronto, and probably others. Maybe someone will come on here with more information. All of those rappels were with permission. Then, of course, lots of cavers rappelled off of El Capitan in Yosemite National Park, including Mark Minton, and he'll probably come on here and say something about that. Bill - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Hey Charles, Do I remember right that you're running the texascavers list? I sent two e-mails to it earlier today, but only one went through (it's been at least 3-4 hrs.). No bounce. Any idea what might've happened? Should I just resend? Thanks, Ed
