[Texascavers] Brown Bag - Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:30 A.M. to 12:30 P.M at EAA - Madagascar: The Eighty Continent by Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Madagascar: The Eighth Continent

Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:30 A.M.

(Note - this is a change from our normal time of around noon)


Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton will present a talk titled "Madagascar: The 
Eighth Continent." The presentation will occur on Thursday, January 11, 2018 
from 11:30 A.M. to 12:30 P.M. in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

Please join world travelers Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton as they present 
a program describing their recent trip to Madagascar. Known as the "Eighth 
Continent," Madagascar is the world's fourth largest island. Eighty-eight 
million years of isolation have resulted in an environment where ninety percent 
of the plant and animal species are endemic!

Madagascar features amazing lemurs, octopus trees, six species of baobab trees 
and the largest chameleons in the world. Surreal karst landscapes, deep 
canyons, lush montane rainforests, highland plateaus and spiny deserts are home 
to an abundance of wildlife and nineteen different tribes. Madagascar has great 
mineral wealth; however the average resident earns the equivalent of US $2.00 
per day.  Although deeply rooted in tradition, the Malagasy residents welcome 
visitors with warmth, humor and generosity.

Biography


Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton are retired and love to travel to remote 
and interesting places, including all 8 continents and 62 countries so far.  
They travel mostly independently, using guided tours only where necessary to 
gain access to interesting areas. Alan and Cheryl travel in a perpetual 
learning mode, examining the geology, ecology, energy consumption, history, 
food and culture of many different areas.





Rolling Food Pantry Initiative



I  (Geary Schindel) will be collecting donations of canned and dry goods for a 
"Rolling Food Pantry" my wife operates for her clients. Sue is a social worker 
and deals with home health care clients. All items will be given to families in 
need. Many are homebound, commonly elderly, and some of them are struggling to 
meet basic food needs. Donations help bridge the gap until other social 
programs can help. If you would like to donate a can or dry goods, I would be 
happy to accept them.


Thank you.

Geary

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210.222.2204 ext 346


900 E Quincy
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Re: [Texascavers] 2017 related

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks, 

I enjoy reading most posts by David and have come to admire him for his 
eccentric personality and heart felt writing. David has some time on his hands 
because of the nature of his work. This allows him to explore topics and ponder 
questions many of us never think about. David is an important part of our 
caving community and deserves some respect. 

His posts reminds me of the monograph from Squire Lewis titled Chronicles of 
the Old Reading Grotto which was published some years ago. It is about a trip 
Squire and other cavers from Pennsylvania took to the 1968? NSS Convention in 
California. The book wasn't so much about caving, though they did some as they 
traveled to California and then back again by way of Mexico, Texas, TAG, etc. 
but more about the road less traveled and personifies what it meant to be a 
caver (and maybe still does). 

David is a kind and gentle soul and would do anything in his power to help you 
out if you needed it. He has no ill will towards anyone. He sometimes scrapes 
by in life and yet has one of the most positive attitudes of anyone I know.

The internet is a big and sometimes ugly place. Some people hide behind their 
computer screens and write all kinds of nasty things about others, distortions 
and even outright lies, play passive aggressive games, and bully people. It can 
also be used to bridge cultural gaps, make friends you'll never meet, educate 
yourself or hide from society, and it lets you explore the world from your 
desktop. 

Charlie loves to tease David in a good natured way and I also enjoy his posts 
but others go out of their way to harass and even bully. Maybe a little more 
respect for others would be in order. 

Geary

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
JAMES JASEK via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:46 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: JAMES JASEK 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2017 related

such crap

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:49 PM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This post is just an off-topic commentary, and probably is totally 
> irrelevant, but I think some of it will affect caving in 2018 and beyond.
> 
> 
> 
> 2017 is starting to look like 2016 - just a faded memory.
> 
> There are just 21 days until the big New Year's Eve parties.  The NSS 
> is having one.  [  contact:  fennig...@gmail.com ]
> 
> So it is almost time to reflect on the past 12 months, and ponder the future 
> of 2018.
> 
> Some of you may recall movies and books in the 1970s and 1980s about what 
> 2018 would be like.   Some of us, are about to find out for ourselves, in 
> person.
> 
> https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1289962600l/4339742.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> Do not believe the media.   There are things to look forward to in 2018.   
> The computer and tech world is rapidly changing.   Tiny computers called 
> SBC's ( like the RaspberyPi ) are going to be a huge opportunity for the 
> folks that are into that.  Linux on the desktop computer is going to more 
> user-friendly and work on more hardware.  [  I am working on a blog about 
> that:  
> 
>  
> http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/12/linux-opinions.html?m=1.  ]
> 
> Space companies are going to impress us with launches landings and videos.
> 
> Sophia the Robot and her counterparts at Boston Dynamics  are going to do 
> more fascinating stuff - probably baton-twirling while doing cartwheels, or 
> tap-dancing with Fred Astaire moves, or moonwalking like Michael Jackson, or 
> doing the splits while jiving like James Brown.
> 
> Talking computers is going to be a big deal in 2018.
> 
> The internet will continue to degrade with so many advertisments and 
> censorship that it will be almost worthless.
> 
> A million people will spend over $ 1,000 on their cell-phone plus accessories.
> 
> Millions of people will waste money on a 4K tv in 2018.   
> 
> 2018 will be the end of 720p.
> 
> Thousands of people are going to die un-naturally in The Middle East in 2018, 
> but the same thing can be said of Texas just in car accidents.
> 
> It is possible the first 100 feet of Trump's Wall will be built in 2018. I 
> would favor a different approach, but my idea would be way too expensive.   
> My idea is an artificial wildlife refuge barrier that is off-limits to all 
> humans.
> 
> The self-driving car will be seen by more people in 2018, and many rich folks 
> will get a brief chance to ride in one.
> 
> Banks are going to fight for survival in 2018.  There will be far less human 
> tellers, and none by 2020.
> 
> Grocery stores will become more automated to.
> 
> Hundreds of brick-n-mortar stores will close nationwide in 2018.
> 
> Millions of people will make minimum wage working for on-line retail stores 
> and doing home deliveries.
> 
> Millions of young poeple will become obssesed with playing video games and 
> social media on their gadgets.   Some of that will 

[Texascavers] TONIGHT - NSS webinar Secret Life of Ropes presented by Tom Wood on December 5 at 8 pm CST

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

To: TAG Net 
Subject: NSS webinar Secret Life of Ropes presented by Tom Wood on December 5 
at 8 pm CST


The Secret Life of Ropes. (If you use a rope, you NEED this info.) Presenter 
Tom Wood
Join us for a webinar on Dec 05, 2017 at 8:00 PM CST./ 9PM EST/ 7PM MST/ 6PM 
PST. Please check your time zone for the correct staring time.

https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/390254446372131074



Ropes. We all use 'em, but just how much do we know about them? How do we 
choose the right rope for the right application? How do we inspect them? When 
do we retire them?

What's the difference between static, low stretch or dynamic rope? Does my rope 
have to be certified? How are ropes made?

Whether you are a horizontal caver who only uses ropes occasionally or a 
vertical caver who trusts your life to your ropes on a weekly basis, this 
webinar, presented by PMI Technical Director Tom Wood, is sure to inform and 
entertain.

Tom Wood is the Technical Department Manager for Pigeon Mountain Industries and 
also a Lead Instructor for PMI's training division, Vertical Rescue Solutions. 
A lifelong caver with several NCRC trainings under his belt, he's also a Level 
3 Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians (SPRAT) Supervisor, a 19-year 
veteran of the Alpine Rescue Team in Colorado and is the U.S. Terrestrial 
Rescue delegate to the International Commission for Alpine Rescue. Tom is a 
freelance author (Trading Steel for Stone: Tales of a Rustbelt Refugee Turned 
Mountain Rescuer), former Combat Photographer with the USMCR and has a degree 
in Photojournalism from Kent State University. He lives in Morrison, Colorado 
with his very patient wife and three amazing teenaged children.

This webinar will be recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org for later viewing and downloading.
The views expressed in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.

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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for The Secret Life of Ropes. (If you use a rope, you NEED this info.) Presenter Tom Wood

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

If you’re interested in ropes or vertical work, this should be an excellent 
webinar.

Geary Schindel



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The Secret Life of Ropes. (If you use a rope, you NEED this info.) Presenter 
Tom Wood
Join us for a webinar on Dec 05, 2017 at 8:00 PM CST./ 9PM EST/ 7PM MST/ 6PM 
PST. Please check your time zone for the correct staring time.
Register now!


Ropes. We all use ‘em, but just how much do we know about them? How do we 
choose the right rope for the right application? How do we inspect them? When 
do we retire them?

What’s the difference between static, low stretch or dynamic rope? Does my rope 
have to be certified? How are ropes made?

Whether you are a horizontal caver who only uses ropes occasionally or a 
vertical caver who trusts your life to your ropes on a weekly basis, this 
webinar, presented by PMI Technical Director Tom Wood, is sure to inform and 
entertain.

Tom Wood is the Technical Department Manager for Pigeon Mountain Industries and 
also a Lead Instructor for PMI’s training division, Vertical Rescue Solutions. 
A lifelong caver with several NCRC trainings under his belt, he’s also a Level 
3 Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians (SPRAT) Supervisor, a 19-year 
veteran of the Alpine Rescue Team in Colorado and is the U.S. Terrestrial 
Rescue delegate to the International Commission for Alpine Rescue. Tom is a 
freelance author (Trading Steel for Stone: Tales of a Rustbelt Refugee Turned 
Mountain Rescuer), former Combat Photographer with the USMCR and has a degree 
in Photojournalism from Kent State University. He lives in Morrison, Colorado 
with his very patient wife and three amazing teenaged children.

This webinar will be recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org for later viewing and downloading.
The views expressed in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.
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[Texascavers] FW: [NSSwest] Caving on this week's Science Friday

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Want to skip this week's "black Friday" for something that matters? Try Science 
Friday!

This week, the nationally-broadcast radio show, Science Friday, includes an 
interview with NSS caver Dr. Jason Polk at Western Kentucky University's Crumps 
Cave research preserve. Be sure to tune in as Dr. Polk guides the Science 
Friday production team through the cave to talk about current current trends in 
speleology. The interview includes discussions on cave formation processes, 
groundwater quality and paleoclimate reconstructions from cave deposits.

Hosted by Emmy Award-winning journalist, Ira Flatow, Science Friday has a 
monthly listening audience of about 3 million & is one of the top podcast 
downloads on iTunes. The show airs weekly on nearly 400 public radio stations 
throughout the United States.

The segment with Dr. Polk will air in the second hour of this week's broadcast 
with additional material posted online. The show airs live from 11AM-1PM 
(Pacific Time), but check your local NPR listings to confirm.

https://www.sciencefriday.com/
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[Texascavers] Cat Orman, can you contact me

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] Join Us for Safe Caving: Reality vs Perception. Presenter: Ken Demarest

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Our next webinar by Ken Demarest,

Geary




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Safe Caving: Reality vs Perception. Presenter: Ken Demarest
Join us for a webinar on Nov 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM CST, which is: 9pm EST/ 7 PM 
MST/ 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for correct starting time.
Register now!


Deep in the pages of "American Caving Accidents" lies the truth about what 
dangers lurk in caves.

This webinar shines a bright light on the patterns behind these accidents, that 
will improve your awareness and help you become a safer caver. This webinar is 
essential for anyone that enters a cave or knows someone who is a caver.

Ken Demarest has a passion for caving. Since January of 2016 Ken has visited 
caves in Mexico, TAG and Texas. His favorite trips have been camping in Fisher 
Ridge and hauling tanks in CM Shovel cave.
Ken has worked hard to become proficient in vertical techniques and sketching, 
and he has taken NCRC to level 2. He is a member of the NSS and CRF, and 
currently serves in the position of Safety Chair for the Texas Speleological 
association tank haul.
In 2016 Ken won the Chuck Stuehm award for Outstanding New Caver. He tries to 
emulate Chuck’s open, welcoming approach with new cavers, hosting ropes nights, 
and teaching new cavers vertical techniques.

This webinar will be recorded and stored on the NSS website, www.caves.org for 
later viewing or downloading.
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Cave Resources of Tenneess. (Tennessee has the best of everything in caving)

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

From Debbie Spoons.

Chuck is an outstanding photography and has some great pictures of TAG Caves.

Geary,



Cavers,
The NSS webinar series "CaveNet" has another great webinar for you coming from 
the heart of TAG, "caving heaven" Please attend this awesome webinar and 
forward this to your email list.

Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
NSS Webinar Chair



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Cave Resources of Tenneess. (Tennessee has the best of everything in caving)
Join us for a webinar on Nov 06, 2017 at 8:00 PM CST, which is, 9PM EST/ 7PM 
MST/ 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7182928431022144001
Presenter Chuck Sutherland will talk about his beloved Tennessee which has the 
MOST caves in the USA!

Tennessee caves boast unusual geology like, meteor impact karst, amazing 
formations, and “mountains” of bat guano. He will also talk about cities caving 
in, early human exploration, overflowing wastewater gone awry, ancient artwork 
and Pleistocene megafauna.
Chuck states “This story is about cool stuff that you are interested in. And it 
doesn't matter what you're interested in, because Tennessee's got it!”

This presentation will be a photographic exploration of Tennessee caves with 
emphasis on their physical and cultural resources
Chuck’s lively and energetic presentation is sure to enlighten and entertain 
you.

Chuck Sutherland is a caver, a photographer, a geographer, and a 
conservationist. His landscape photography has been published in dozens of 
magazines, books, newspapers, and web pages. BBC, and the Discovery Channel 
have both used his photography. The TNVacation website features many of his 
photos as well.
Chuck has worked with Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, The 
Nature Conservancy of Tennessee, as well as Tennessee Parks and Greenways 
Foundation, The Land Trust of Tennessee, and the Cumberland River Compact on 
conservation oriented projects around Tennessee and Kentucky.
Please arrive at least 10 minutes early to reserve your spot!

The views expressed in this presentation are not necessarily those of the NSS. 
This webinar will be recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org for future viewing & downloading.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.
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Re: [Texascavers] Langtry Caves

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

David,

Let me know if I can be of help and glad to hear you’re checking on this.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:47 PM
To: CaveTex 
Cc: David 
Subject: [Texascavers] Langtry Caves

From David Locklear

I have made contact with the daughter of the new ranch manager.

My plan is, if and only if the stars all align on their own, that I will 
introduce a caver to the manager with the goal being to set up a 
landowner/caver relationship.  I seriously doubt that person would be me.

The ideal person would be someone who gets along well with ranchers.
Traditionally, the ranchers are judgmental towards the body-piercing/tattoo 
crowd.   However, I have not yet met the ranch manager.   They may have a giant 
ring in the nose and a bright red dot on their forehead and carry a golden 
statue of Lord Ganesha, but I seriously doubt it.

I will post any good news that I come across.A wild guess someone in their 
family will want a tour of the caves, at the spur of the moment.

Is anybody out there feeling like they could guide the rancher's family thru 
the caves ?

It would be embarrassing or worse if I tried it.

I do not plan to contact them, but only to wait and hope for some interest on 
their part.

David
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Cave Resources of Tenneess. (Tennessee has the best of everything in caving)

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

FYI,

Geary Schindel


Cavers,
The NSS webinar series "CaveNet" has another great webinar for you coming from 
the heart of TAG, "caving heaven" Please attend this awesome webinar and 
forward this to your email list.

Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
NSS Webinar Chair



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Cave Resources of Tenneess. (Tennessee has the best of everything in caving)
Join us for a webinar on Nov 06, 2017 at 8:00 PM CST, which is, 9PM EST/ 7PM 
MST/ 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7182928431022144001
Presenter Chuck Sutherland will talk about his beloved Tennessee which has the 
MOST caves in the USA!

Tennessee caves boast unusual geology like, meteor impact karst, amazing 
formations, and “mountains” of bat guano. He will also talk about cities caving 
in, early human exploration, overflowing wastewater gone awry, ancient artwork 
and Pleistocene megafauna.
Chuck states “This story is about cool stuff that you are interested in. And it 
doesn't matter what you're interested in, because Tennessee's got it!”

This presentation will be a photographic exploration of Tennessee caves with 
emphasis on their physical and cultural resources
Chuck’s lively and energetic presentation is sure to enlighten and entertain 
you.

Chuck Sutherland is a caver, a photographer, a geographer, and a 
conservationist. His landscape photography has been published in dozens of 
magazines, books, newspapers, and web pages. BBC, and the Discovery Channel 
have both used his photography. The TNVacation website features many of his 
photos as well.
Chuck has worked with Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, The 
Nature Conservancy of Tennessee, as well as Tennessee Parks and Greenways 
Foundation, The Land Trust of Tennessee, and the Cumberland River Compact on 
conservation oriented projects around Tennessee and Kentucky.
Please arrive at least 10 minutes early to reserve your spot!

The views expressed in this presentation are not necessarily those of the NSS. 
This webinar will be recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org for future viewing & downloading.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.
View System 
Requirements







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Re: [Texascavers] Spring 2018 BOG meeting

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Logan,

Well, I’m open to that but we’ve already held the BOG in San Antonio twice in 
the last six years and the BOG parties at my house (they all stayed off the 
roof). In addition, San Antonio is already the center of the caving universe. I 
figured we should give the Austin folks a chance since Houston has also 
recently hosted the BOG. Now Austin may  be of the opinion that the famous Buda 
BOG meeting can’t be topped so why try (wish I had been there). But, the BOG 
meeting does require some organizational and planning skills – do you think 
Austin is up for that (Ok, I’ve thrown down the challenge LOL). Let’s see if 
the UT Grotto rises to the bait.

Geary

From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:34 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Spring 2018 BOG meeting

You're the President. It should be at your house.:-P
On 10/16/2017 8:11 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers wrote:

Folks,



Do any of the Texas Grottos want to host the Spring 2018 NSS Board of Governors 
meeting. It’s pretty easy to do. For more information, contact Jean Devries at 
the email above.



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[Texascavers] Spring 2018 BOG meeting

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Do any of the Texas Grottos want to host the Spring 2018 NSS Board of Governors 
meeting. It’s pretty easy to do. For more information, contact Jean Devries at 
the email above.

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Hydro Geo Workshop September 15-17 at Cave Without a Name

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Dinner Saturday night, thanks for the catch.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jon 
Cradit via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:22 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Jon Cradit <jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Hydro Geo Workshop September 15-17 at Cave 
Without a Name

So we are on our own for dinner on Sat night?  What about the free beer?


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Geary Schindel via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:16 PM
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Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Hydro Geo Workshop September 15-17 at Cave Without 
a Name

Folks,

The Texas Hydro Geo Workshop is coming along nicely and it is even bigger and 
better than ever, we have 40 modules and about 85 folks helping present. We 
have two drill rigs, three different modules running geophysics, caving and 
cave mapping modules, and lots of hands on activities. Price is $60 and 
includes Breakfast on Saturday and Sunday, Dinner Sunday night, Keynote 
speaker, a geology related book, T shirt, and three contests. Should be lots of 
fun. Here is a list of modules. For more information, you can also visit the 
web page at http://caves.org/grotto/bexargrotto/HydroGeo/ I've attached the 
flyer for the event along with the program guide. Please feel free to 
distribute this across the department.  Feel free to distribute this freely.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
Co Chair


How to Collect Field Locational Data using GPS
Field Safety
FLIR Infrared Camera and Radon Analysis
Field Instruments
Developing Scientific and Field Notebooks
Data Presentation for Best Management Decisions
ESRI Colector for ArcGIS Mobile App
Career Development
Coffee Shop Science Talk
Environmental and Geotechnical Drilling, Logging, and Sampling
Well Drilling
Mudlogging 101
Surface Geophysics (Ground Penetrating Radar)
Surface Geophysics (Natural Potential)
High Resolution 3D Resistivity Imaging to Locate Caves and Voids
Groundwater Investigation Methods
Stream Gauging
Tracer Testing in Karst
Surface Water Sampling
Hydrogeology/Well Monitoring
Potentiometric Surface Mapping
Data Collection and Interpretation of Complex Aquifers
Nuts and Bolts of Eureka Manta2 Water Quality Sondes
Rainwater Harvesting and Design
Emerging Chemicals and Concern in Water
Cave Geology
Karst Feature Evaluatin  using TCEQ Forms
Stalagmites as Paleoclimate Archives
Structure and Stragraphy
Fossils of the Glen Rose and Edwards Limestone
Carbonate Geochemistry in Karst systems
Rock Identification
Cave Management and Karst Resources
Field Trip to Herff Falls at Cibolo Preserve
Safety in the Vertical Environment
Cave Mapping with Lidar
Aquatic Subterranean Crusteceans
Karst Invertebrate Habitat Assessments
Cave Mapping
Field Trip to Wild Cave

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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto is the center of the caving universe and here's proof...

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

So, what is unique about the Bexar Grotto and what are they doing, or could be 
doing better to attract and retain members in the grotto and the NSS.

Thoughts,

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Bentley via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:08 PM
To: Bennett Lee via Texascavers 
Cc: Bill Bentley 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto is the center of the caving universe 
and here's proof...


Yes I agree, and the PBSS is slowly fading away... slowly

On 8/29/2017 3:46 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers wrote:
I just wanted to point out that Texas has eight separate Grottos, and that the 
leaders of all the major Texas, national, and international cave organizations 
are all Bexar Grotto members.


  *   International Union of Speleology (UIS)
President: George Veni, Bexar Grotto


  *   National Speleological Society (NSS)
President: Geary Schindel, Bexar Grotto


  *   National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
Executive Director: George Veni, Bexar Grotto


  *   Texas Speleological Association (TSA)
Chairman: Rob Bisset, Bexar Grotto


  *   Texas Speleological Survey (TSS)
President: Joe Mitchell, Bexar Grotto


  *   Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA)
President: Gregg Williams, Bexar Grotto

I HEREBY DECLARE THE BEXAR GROTTO AS THE CENTER OF THE CAVING UNIVERSE. BEXAR 
GROTTO ROCKS.

--Bennett




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[Texascavers] Brown Bag Presentation - Tunnel Construction by Ross R. Webb on Friday, September 1, at 11:55 AM in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

This might be of interest to cavers. There are a lot of techniques that are 
used in tunneling that have application in caving. Ross has recently joined the 
Bexar Grotto.


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Friday, September 1, 11:55 A.M.

Tunnel Construction

Ross R. Webb

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Ross R. Webb will present a talk titled "Tunnel Construction." The 
presentation will occur on Friday, September 1, 2017 from 11:55 A.M. to 12:55 
P.M. in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy 
Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel 
free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

This presentation will cover various techniques for building tunnels ranging 
from hand mining to the latest Tunnel Boring Machine technology.

Biography


Ross Webb is a currently a Construction Manager and Resident Engineer within 
Black & Veatch's global construction business.  Ross is experienced in managing 
and executing all phases of tunneling and underground works.  Over the last 28 
years he has held a wide variety of positions with contracting and engineering 
firms.  He has worked with a variety of tunneling techniques in an even wider 
variety of ground conditions in the US and abroad.  He recently finished a 
three-year project in Antofagasta, Chile.  Currently he is consulting on a 
several US tunnel projects including some upcoming tunnels for SAWS to be mined 
in the Edwards Formation.

Thank you.

Geary

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210.222.2204 ext 346


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Re: [Texascavers] Pending rain and flooding in Southeastern Texas

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Well, I think the storm is evolving into a pretty big deal with the potential 
for the hurricane to stall out and have massive flooding of biblical 
proportions.

Having said that, we have room for some hurricane refugees. Couple of 
suggestions, please call or email before you arrive so you know I will be home. 
I'm planning on running around taking pictures of flooding and karst in action. 
I would say we have another change at a 500 year flood that we get every 5-10 
years (figure that one out).

Second, there are some things that don't do well in water so I would recommend 
that you pack along your valuables, tank up on gas NOW, etc. Most of you know 
the drill. However, one other small word of advice, alcohol and flooding don't 
mix so make sure you bring the contents of your liquor cabinet with you. It 
might make staying a little easier if you know what I mean.

Be safe,

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
210.326.1576 cell


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Nancy Weaver via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Pending rain and flooding in Southeastern Texas

Geary what a generous offer.  thanks.  
Nancy
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[Texascavers] Pending rain and flooding in Southeastern Texas

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Looks like the tropical storm in the gulf is intensifying and they are calling 
for near record to record rainfall along the coast and inland in the Houston 
Area tomorrow through Sunday.

This is a slow moving storm and may result in a great deal of flooding.

If you're thinking of leaving the area and need a place to say, we can open our 
house up to a few caving families.

Be aware that we have two cats.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
San Antonio, Texas
210.326.1576 cell

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[Texascavers] 4th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop - September 15-17 at Cave Without a Name

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

This is a reminder that the 4th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop is scheduled for 
Friday, September 15th through Sunday, September 17th. The event will be held 
at Cave Without a Name near Boerne, Texas. We're expecting about 350 attendees. 
There are more than 30 modules that will be presented on field data collection 
methods including water sampling, stream gauging, well drilling, caving, 
surface and borehole geophysics, rock identification, etc. Cost of the event is 
$50 and includes breakfast Saturday and Sunday, Dinner Saturday, a keynote 
speaker (Thomas Adams, Paleontologist at the Witte Museum), T-Shirt, Program 
Guide, camping, lightening talks, etc. Space is limited so please register 
early if you would like to attend. For more information or to register, please 
visit  http://caves.org/grotto/bexargrotto/HydroGeo/

Please feel free to forward this message.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
Co-chair
Texas Hydro Geo Workshop

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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation, Friday, July 28 at 12:05 pm, Ted Rybicki on Red Hill Cu-Mo Porphyry, Big Bend, Texas at Edwards Aquifer Authority Training Room

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

FYI,


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Friday, July 28 at 12:05 P.M.

Red Hill Cu-Mo Porphyry,
Big Bend, Texas

Ted Rybicki
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Ted Rybicki will present a talk titled "Red Hill Cu-Mo Porphyry, Big Bend, 
Texas." The presentation will occur on Friday, July 28, 2017 from 12:05 P.M. to 
1:05 P.M. in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy 
Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel 
free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

The Red-Hills Cu-Mo deposit near Shafter, Texas represents the farthest east 
extension of Laramide related porphyry, copper-molybdenum systems.  The deposit 
is centrally located between the Chinati Mountains Caldera and the Shafter 
Silver Mine. Recent drilling has led to a National Instrument 43-101 report 
published by Tosca Mining Company of Vancouver, Canada
Biography

Ted Rybicki is an accomplished Mine Geologist who has worked both underground 
and open-pit mines His experience has spanned 35 years in porphyry copper, 
uranium, oil-shale, epithermal gold, coal and molybdenum. He has also worked as 
an environmental geologist performing monitor well installations, hydrology and 
environmental clean ups. Functioning as a Geotechnical Engineer for the past 10 
years he has been responsible for slope design and monitoring in large open pit 
mines, having left mining, he currently lives in Boerne, Texas and is employed 
at "Cave Without a Name".


Thank you.

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.

Any thought out there in caver land.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Galen Falgout via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Galen Falgout ; 
greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very 
bad there!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> > wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Pete,

That is a good point, if you're not an NSS Member, joining gives you 
credibility as a serious caver when you're contacting cavers in other regions. 
In addition, the members manual and the NSS web page at www.caves.org are great 
resources for finding cavers in other areas.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org 

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
pstrickland1--- via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:16 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

   I don't knowif you are an NSS member or can find your members manual, but 
mine shows "Springfield Plateau Grotto, www.spgcavers.org ,Jonathan Beard , 
mokan...@att.net ,417 887 7231Pete Strickland
 jaycc Jordan via Texascavers  wrote: 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave 
> while I am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. 
> So, if anyone has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go 
> caving with me please let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan

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[Texascavers] Folks, Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and microbiologist.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and 
microbiologist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/the-man-who-blew-the-door-off-the-microbial-world/534246/

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] The future of NSS membership

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Dwight,

Thanks for a wonderful insight into caves and caving.  I’ve used similar 
technique related to leading new caver cave trips for a number of years. I’ve 
found that many beginners are suffering from sensory overload in their first 
cave and are more concerned with not getting hurt or touching the wrong thing, 
and following in the leaders footsteps so they can’t get lost, and what if 
there are snakes, or . . . They sometimes forget the wonder of caves or the 
ability to explore. I will usually lead them into the cave while they get their 
cave legs under them and after a little while, send them down a passage first, 
some stop and question whether they’re “allowed” to explore, “is it safe”, etc. 
but once given permission, they take off and then you get them hooked.

Thanks Dwight, I’ll post some insights into grotto life a little later. I’ve 
been a member of a number of different grottos, from Maryland, West Virginia, 
Kentucky, Tennessee and now Texas and seen some interesting dynamics. I will 
say that some caving organizations are much easier to join and become a part of 
than others. Leadership is key and why you need to give some thought to the 
election of the grotto leaders.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org



From: Dwight [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:16 PM
To: Geary Schindel 
Cc: Cave NM ; Cave Texas 
; TAG Net 
Subject: The future of NSS membership




The future of NSS membership



There have been a series of really thoughtful comments in the blog on SW Cavers 
about our membership, its growth, and the future. The most thoughtful and 
productive so far is the recent one from Geary Schindel (see below).



I am in the middle of several time-consuming tasks, but want to throw my two 
cents into the arena with the intent of contributing more, later. The Society 
and the fellowship of other cavers has clearly been important to me for most of 
my life. But my caving did not start out that way.



1. Historically the NSS has taken the attitude of not advertising or 
encouraging non-cavers, as has already been discussed well by others. Is it 
time to change? Were you once a non-caver? Did you have an interest in caves 
before meeting NSS cavers?



2. In my personal experience young cavers were most easily recruited by Student 
Grottoes. I was both a member and faculty sponsor of several. The lure of 
adventure and discovery was usually secondary after the drive to meet potential 
girl- or boy-friends. I remember that at "Club Night" in the fall we 
deliberately selected and appropriately costumed the best looking girls to talk 
to the freshman guys and the hunks to talk to the girls. An interest in cave 
exploration (or cave science) mostly grew with the accumulation of the 
experiences of discovery, more than "adventure". (As far as item 1 above, I 
think in the earlier days it was the "adventure" part that we were trying NOT 
to encourage. I don't think that has changed.)



There are several grottoes that made a transition from Student to Community 
(Regular) grottoes. Sandia comes to mind but that happened while I was gone 
(about 30 years) from Albuquerque. Was that a pivotal time when the ageing of 
the grotto began? There are some grottoes who continue to have a good younger 
membership. San Antonio (Bexar Grotto). I was impressed at the last few Texas 
regional gatherings that I attended by the presence of a fair number of younger 
members, but I have no idea of their stories. Geary describes some of the 
reasons.



3. I have led a lot of "beginner" trips over the years. For initial, 
non-vertical, trips I found a good way to foster a fascination in exploration 
and discovery was to lead from behind once I felt that they had a general 
competence in their equipment and common sense. I used Ft. Stanton cave for 
that purpose a number of times. It was there I discovered the enthusiasm 
fostered by monitoring, from the rear where possible, of the group of neophytes 
working their way through easy but challenging passages such as Crystal Crawl 
and even Hellhole. I can't recall specific instances, but from that group in 
the 60s came some of our established leaders today - Harvey DuChene, John 
Corcoran, Robbie Babb, Jim Hardy, Carol Carmine (now Belski), and a number of 
others who discovered something about caves and themselves that interested them.



Send your new folks ahead into somewhere you know is not dangerous but will 
lead to an attractive surprise. Let them discover for themselves. The Oh Wow! 
factor. Not just some "pretty little room" where the struggle is to turn around 
and agree that yes, it was pretty little.



There never will be an agreement on how far to go "advertising" caving as an 
activity. I have seen the NSS grow from a fairly small number of groups each 
with only 

[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Photo Real reservations on Friday, June 16 - Please read the time requirements below.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

We have a little bit of a dilemma related to the 3D Photo Real Presentation for 
our Brown Bag on Friday, June 16th.

There has been overwhelming interest in the presentation and we only have about 
35 sets of glasses.  The second problem is that Benjy Von Cramon is only 
available on Friday.

So we're going to set up two times for the showing.

11:30 to 12:30

12:30 to 1:30

I'm also setting up a reservation system so the first 35 to make a reservation 
for each time slot gets in.

So, if you are going to attend, please email me and let me know your time 
preference and I'll try to accommodate you and confirm your reservation.

If there is even more demand, I may try and schedule another showing at 1:30 to 
2:30 pm.

Please be prompt with your time request and make sure that you show up on time.

Geary

Folks,

Note that the date has changed from Thursday, June 15 at 11:55 am to Friday, 
June 16 at 11:30 am.

Thanks,

Geary

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Friday, June 16, 2017 at 11:30 AM

3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole,
A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside


By Benjamin von Cramon
and
Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjamin von Cramon and Mr. Geary Schindel will make a presentation on "3D 
mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole, A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge 
Feature from the Inside." The presentation will occur on Friday, June 16, 2017 
from 11:30 AM in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. 
Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please 
feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
We will present the results of a pilot program to test the feasibility of using 
3D photoreal mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole located in Medina County, 
Texas. This presentation will introduce the audience to 3D film and photo 
techniques utilizing cutting edge technology. The 3D model has multiple uses 
including an educational model of recharge features, cave geology and 
hydrology, and also allows tracking and measurement of sediment transport. The 
Seco Creek (Valdina Farm) Sinkhole is an important recharge site in the Edwards 
Aquifer. The cave is composed of a 150-foot-deep natural shaft that leads to 
approximately 1,000 feet of cave. During heavy rains, the cave shaft will fill 
to the top with rushing water.

The 3D photoreal model offers the opportunity to view the Seco Creek Sinkhole 
without getting dirty or exposed to the vertical drops. It allows for detailed 
analysis of the cave and model can be easily operated with a game controller.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon, film maker - His body of work defies clean titles and easy 
categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing for broadcast, 
institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates between wildly 
disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to stories in Fourth 
World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep underground. The 
auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of great social 
import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to innovate the art 
of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon's projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.

Geary Schindel is the Chief Technical Officer of the Edwards Aquifer Authority. 
He has been a caver for more than 40 years and is the President Elect of the 
National Speleological Society (NSS). Geary is a fellow of the NSS and the 
Geological Society of America. He holds a BS degree from West Virginia 
University and an MS from Western Kentucky University.
Thank you.

Geary



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Re: [Texascavers] The NSS Howdy Party

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

David,

Make sure you write about your travels and post them to the TC. It is some of 
the more enjoyable material to read. I also have $20 for the David Locklear 
travel fund if you make it to the howdy party.

Great post, see you there.

Geary Schindel

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:01 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David 
Subject: [Texascavers] The NSS Howdy Party

I imagine someone out there has no idea what or when The NSS Howdy Party is.

I can only guess even many of the attendees consider the party a minor event at 
the NSS Convention.

Some might even call it a lame party or even a gathering of old fuddy-duddies.

I have been to thirteen NSS Howdy Parties.   I am usually greeted well by at 
least 20 cavers, even though my claim to fame is somewhat fictitious.

There is usually a band that few people pay attention to.The beer is often 
late and warm and the food is often awful.Except in Maine, we had all the 
lobster you could eat.   The summer weather is often disagreeable.   The NSS 
always gets chewed out for wasting $ 10,000 or more.

But you get a chance to conversate ( a Bush word ?? ) with some very unique 
individuals who otherwise might just look like eccentric old nerds.   For 
example, most of them have some fascinating speleo-accomplishment like, the big 
connection in Huatla, or even Mammoth Cave, or were the first to rappel into La 
Sotano de las Golindrinas, or invented the rappeling rack, or the cave-radio, 
or the cave-mapping software, or they manage all the BLM caves, or they wrote 
the book, "On Rope." It is sort of like an Alcoholics Anonymous Party for 
very obsessed speleo-addicts.

Unfortunately, many of those people passed away recently.

Nowadays, you get to take selfies with their predecessors.   Like, maybe the 
guy who is the Regional Director of the NSS Southwest Region.

I cherish my selfie with Richard Blenz.He has donated $ 100,000 to caving 
projects.   I want to win the PowerBall and break his record.

The NSS Convention is like a normal business convention and has to take place 
during the week, however, there are plenty of activities on the weekend before 
and after to justify going.   For some it is a 3-week event.

A few speleologist fly in Sunday evening from England, Canada and Mexico and 
maybe now even Cuba.

Local cavers, after their day job, get to attend evening events like The Howdy 
Party, maybe for the first and only time in their life.  I heard a rumor that a 
former GHG caver named Mary would be there. I have not seen her since she 
attended the wedding of my estranged-wife and I in 2000, so I am looking 
forward to that.

Some of you younger cavers may not realize, but there are at least 100 cavers 
who have managed to find an income using their caving talents and skills.
Many of them attend the Howdy Party.

Eventually people start dancing, and after a few beers start doing the train.   
You can often twerk or bump or twist with some really serious minded 
speleologist.

I would not miss it, and I hope someday that I can attend at least 20 more.

There was a guy that attended 53 Conventions, but not sure how many Howdy 
Parties he went to.

Last year there were about 30 Texas cavers there.

There is a crazy insane little voice bouncing around in my head tonight telling 
me to pack up all my sh*t in the motel and get the H*'ll out of dodge.

I asked Oztotl for divine guidance.

As I was leaving for work tonight, a very beautiful sweet hooker moved in above 
me, and as I drove off she leaned out over the 2nd story rail and winked at me, 
and more.

David Locklear
NSS # 27639

P.S.

This post was typed on my new LG G6 smartphone in Gmail, while I was at work, 
because I get paid to sit on my a** for hours.


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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation Friday, June 16 at 11:30 am 3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole - A view of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Note that the date has changed from Thursday, June 15 at 11:55 am to Friday, 
June 16 at 11:30 am.

Thanks,

Geary

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Friday, June 16, 2017 at 11:30 AM

3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole,
A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside


By Benjamin von Cramon
and
Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjamin von Cramon and Mr. Geary Schindel will make a presentation on "3D 
mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole, A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge 
Feature from the Inside." The presentation will occur on Friday, June 16, 2017 
from 11:30 AM in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. 
Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please 
feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
We will present the results of a pilot program to test the feasibility of using 
3D photoreal mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole located in Medina County, 
Texas. This presentation will introduce the audience to 3D film and photo 
techniques utilizing cutting edge technology. The 3D model has multiple uses 
including an educational model of recharge features, cave geology and 
hydrology, and also allows tracking and measurement of sediment transport. The 
Seco Creek (Valdina Farm) Sinkhole is an important recharge site in the Edwards 
Aquifer. The cave is composed of a 150-foot-deep natural shaft that leads to 
approximately 1,000 feet of cave. During heavy rains, the cave shaft will fill 
to the top with rushing water.

The 3D photoreal model offers the opportunity to view the Seco Creek Sinkhole 
without getting dirty or exposed to the vertical drops. It allows for detailed 
analysis of the cave and model can be easily operated with a game controller.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon, film maker - His body of work defies clean titles and easy 
categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing for broadcast, 
institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates between wildly 
disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to stories in Fourth 
World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep underground. The 
auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of great social 
import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to innovate the art 
of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon's projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.

Geary Schindel is the Chief Technical Officer of the Edwards Aquifer Authority. 
He has been a caver for more than 40 years and is the President Elect of the 
National Speleological Society (NSS). Geary is a fellow of the NSS and the 
Geological Society of America. He holds a BS degree from West Virginia 
University and an MS from Western Kentucky University.
Thank you.

Geary


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Re: [Texascavers] 3D Mapping of Seco Creek Sinkhole - Thursday, June 15 from 12:05 pm

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Note that I got the year wrong on the announcement. It is 2017 (next week). 
That’s the problem with cut and paste and a pounding headache.

Anyway, this is a cool presentation. Some of the Bexar Grotto Members helped 
with the field work. We’re also going to a meeting with the Witte Museum and 
this may be incorporated into their new geoscience exhibit.

Thanks,

Geary




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[mailto:bexargro...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geary Schindel
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:29 PM
To: Bexar Grotto 
>
Subject: [BexarGrotto] FW: 3D Mapping of Seco Creek Sinkhole - Thursday, June 
15 from 12:05 pm

Folks,

Please note that we have two brown bag presentations next week at the Edwards 
Aquifer Authority

On Tuesday, June 13, Benjy von Cramon will be presenting his film on 
Madagascar. This is not the cartoon version. The presentation will start at 
11:30 am.

On Thursday, June 15, Benjy and I will present the results of the 3D mapping 
pilot project of the Seco Creek Sinkhole. This will occur at 12:05 pm. Both 
presentations will be in the Recharge Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society –

aka brown bag luncheon


Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM

3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole,
A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside


By Benjamin von Cramon
and
Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjamin von Cramon and Mr. Geary Schindel will make a presentation on “3D 
mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole, A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge 
Feature from the Inside.” The presentation will occur on Thursday, June 15, 
2016 from 12:05 PM 1:05 PM in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
We will present the results of a pilot program to test the feasibility of using 
3D photoreal mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole located in Medina County, 
Texas. This presentation will introduce the audience to 3D film and photo 
techniques utilizing cutting edge technology. The 3D model has multiple uses 
including an educational model of recharge features, cave geology and 
hydrology, and also allows tracking and measurement of sediment transport. The 
Seco Creek (Valdina Farm) Sinkhole is an important recharge site in the Edwards 
Aquifer. The cave is composed of a 150-foot-deep natural shaft that leads to 
approximately 1,000 feet of cave. During heavy rains, the cave shaft will fill 
to the top with rushing water.

The 3D photoreal model offers the opportunity to view the Seco Creek Sinkhole 
without getting dirty or exposed to the vertical drops. It allows for detailed 
analysis of the cave and model can be easily operated with a game controller.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon, film maker — His body of work defies clean titles and easy 
categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing for broadcast, 
institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates between wildly 
disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to stories in Fourth 
World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep underground. The 
auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of great social 
import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to innovate the art 
of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon’s projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.

Geary Schindel is the Chief Technical Officer of the Edwards Aquifer Authority. 
He has been a caver for more than 40 years and is the President Elect of the 
National Speleological Society (NSS). Geary is a fellow of the NSS and the 
Geological Society of America. He holds a BS degree from West Virginia 
University and an MS from Western Kentucky University.
Thank you.
Geary

[Texascavers] 3D Mapping of Seco Creek Sinkhole - Thursday, June 15 from 12:05 pm

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Please note that we have two brown bag presentations next week at the Edwards 
Aquifer Authority.

On Tuesday, June 13, Benjy von Cramon will be presenting his film on 
Madagascar. This is not the cartoon version. The presentation will start at 
11:30 am.

On Thursday, June 15, Benjy and I will present the results of the 3D mapping 
pilot project of the Seco Creek Sinkhole. This will occur at 12:05 pm. Both 
presentations will be in the Recharge Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Thursday, June 15, 2016 at 12:05 PM

3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole,
A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside


By Benjamin von Cramon
and
Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjamin von Cramon and Mr. Geary Schindel will make a presentation on "3D 
mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole, A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge 
Feature from the Inside." The presentation will occur on Thursday, June 15, 
2016 from 12:05 PM 1:05 PM in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
We will present the results of a pilot program to test the feasibility of using 
3D photoreal mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole located in Medina County, 
Texas. This presentation will introduce the audience to 3D film and photo 
techniques utilizing cutting edge technology. The 3D model has multiple uses 
including an educational model of recharge features, cave geology and 
hydrology, and also allows tracking and measurement of sediment transport. The 
Seco Creek (Valdina Farm) Sinkhole is an important recharge site in the Edwards 
Aquifer. The cave is composed of a 150-foot-deep natural shaft that leads to 
approximately 1,000 feet of cave. During heavy rains, the cave shaft will fill 
to the top with rushing water.

The 3D photoreal model offers the opportunity to view the Seco Creek Sinkhole 
without getting dirty or exposed to the vertical drops. It allows for detailed 
analysis of the cave and model can be easily operated with a game controller.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon, flim maker - His body of work defies clean titles and easy 
categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing for broadcast, 
institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates between wildly 
disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to stories in Fourth 
World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep underground. The 
auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of great social 
import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to innovate the art 
of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon's projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.

Geary Schindel is the Chief Technical Officer of the Edwards Aquifer Authority. 
He has been a caver for more than 40 years and is the President Elect of the 
National Speleological Society (NSS). Geary is a fellow of the NSS and the 
Geological Society of America. He holds a BS degree from West Virginia 
University and an MS from Western Kentucky University.
Thank you.
Geary


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www.edwardsaquifer.org



210.222.2204 ext 346


900 E Quincy
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Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Got to agree with that, it is one of the more exciting adventures at the 
convention.

I would be very disappointed if David doesn’t have some sort of epic adventure 
heading to or from the convention.

Enquiring minds want to know.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 8:31 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Marvin and Lisa 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

Yeah. Despite his statements to the negative, I’m looking forward to reading 
David’s narrative of his dramatic, last-minute, desperate, midnight ramble 
across Texas and New Mexico to drink a few beers and take a few selfies at the 
Howdy Party.

Marvin

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Stefan Creaser via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:37 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Stefan Creaser >
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

Well at least *somebody* is posting something!

Quit complaining and post something cave related then, it’s too quiet here.

-Stefan
(retired cook and now professional PITA)

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
James Jasek via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:10 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: James Jasek >
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

It is more or less like he is the only one posting on CaveTex and is the reason 
I got off.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Louise Power via Texascavers 
> wrote:

I thought you said a couple of years ago that you were going to quit emailing 
because nobody answered. Now nobody is answering the blog. Does this tell you 
something?


From: Texascavers 
>
 on behalf of David via Texascavers 
>
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:57 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

I have decided to give blogging another try.My previous attempts failed
miserably to annoy anybody.

I am not sure how you find me on a blog, but I think the link below shows 10
post that I blogged over the last 4 years.

 https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=6768672593579462012
Blogger
www.blogger.com
Free weblog publishing tool from Google, for sharing text, photos and video.



Below is an example of a post that I added to my blog I today.

   
http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/06/mageia-6-release-candidate-may-2017.html

I should I have another blog out there somewhere on the web that I have not 
used in years, from
before the blog above started.


The NSS Convention is just 19 days away. In order for me to attend that I 
would want to leave
Houston by Thursday the 15th, or Friday the 16th.  But knowing my past 
attempts, I will probably
leave late, and arrive late.

I have some new drama this year that I did not have on my road-trip to Nevada 
last summer.   I ma
living in a motel, and it would be stupid to pay for a motel here in Houston, 
during the days I am out
of town.While that would only be about $ 280 thrown away, it is still just 
stupid.  Moving out of the
motel, would be complicated as I have most of my stuff here just as I would in 
a furnished apartment,
It would take a full-day to pack up and store all my stuff in storage.That 
would just be inconvenient,
as I would have to repeat the process when coming back.Plus I do not want 
to lose this particular
room as it is the best one in the motel.My next issue is 2 shyster 
customers ripped me off and it
is starting to look like I am going to lose about $ 1,400.My next issue, is 
my gas-guzzling Seqouia
needs lots of maintenance. If I were a betting person, I would bet that I 
do not make it to the Howdy
Party this year.  So realistically, I need to lower my expectations, and 
just try to attend the Tuesday
festivities only and just get a Day Pass.

David Locklear
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[Texascavers] Need help with a Property Evaluation Near Devils Sinkhole on Sunday, June 4th

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

I’ve been working on a tracer testing project near Rocksprings, Texas over the 
last couple of months. We’re partnered with UT-San Antonio, Devils Sinkhole 
State Natural Area, Nueces River Authority, Real Edwards Conservation District, 
TTU – Junction, and local landowners. Our interest is to test the groundwater 
boundaries between the Llano and Nueces River basins. The surface water basin 
is located on the ridgeline east of Rocksprings that generally follows highway 
377 from Rocksprings east to the junction with Highway 41. The groundwater 
divide may be much further north and in the Llano River Watershed. It is not 
uncommon for groundwater and surface water boundaries to not agree. This may 
explain the presence and size of the Devils Sinkhole since it is relatively 
close to the surface water divide and also implies there is a large conduit and 
cave system at depth feeding the springs on the Llano and Nueces rivers. The 
identification of the groundwater boundary is important in calculating recharge 
contributions for the Trinity and Edwards Aquifer groundwater models to obtain 
an accurate water balance.

We’ve had problems finding suitable injection points in the area for dye 
tracing. We have good coverage of the potential discharge points (springs and 
wells) but need to find some caves or sinkholes we can use for the injection of 
dye.

We have started one tracer test from Devils Sinkhole but the results have been 
inconclusive as we probably didn’t use a sufficient quantity of dye. We plan on 
repeating the tracer test in Devils Sinkhole in the very near future. We also 
have access to a large ranch on Sunday to walk the drainages to the north of 
Route 377.  The thought is that there may be some small sinkholes or caves on 
the property that would allow us to inject water for a dye trace. What I need 
is the critical eye of cavers to help identify said features.

So, I’m looking for some help from cavers to come out on Sunday (June 4) and 
walk the property and evaluate karst features. While I can’t pay you or even 
cover your costs, I can offer an interesting opportunity and potential for new 
caves, participation in some interesting science, the undying gratitude of the 
citizens of the Nueces and Llano River basins, and the sense of accomplishment 
of a job well done (what more could you ask for).

If you’re interested in helping, please send me an email at 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org or call me at 
210.326.1576 (cell) and I can fill you in on the details.

Thanks,

Geary

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[Texascavers] Cave dig tomorrow in Sonora

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Jacqui Thomas and I have scheduled a cave dig for tomorrow in Sonora. This is a 
really neat dig with lots of possibilities.

We're going to meet tomorrow (Saturday) around 10 am at the donut shop.

Let me know if you're interested and I'll fill you in on the details.

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] KWI Award Banquet reminder

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

OK,

I forwarded it to the Bexar Grotto email list.

Do you have a facebook link also.

Geary

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Schwartz, Benjamin F via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:19 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] KWI Award Banquet reminder

Cavers and cave biologists:

Just a reminder about the upcoming KWI Karst Award presentation and banquet for 
Mr James Reddell: held at The Price Center in San Marcos on March 4 at 6:30 pm. 
Mr Reddell will present an evening program about Cave Fauna of Texas. 

A full meal and drinks are included. 

Information, menu, and registration can be found on the home page of Karst 
Waters Institute. 

http://karstwaters.org

Cavingly,

Benjamin Schwartz
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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation - Bruce Darling on Carbon 14 along groundwater flow paths of West Texas Bolson Aquifers on Wednesday, February 15 at 11:55 am at EAA

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Folks,

This is a reminder about the Brown Bag Lunch today.
I have been contacted by a few folks that can't attend this presentation. I'm 
sorry but we're not set up to record the Brown Bags but Bruce has offered to 
talk with people that are interested. He can be reached at 
bdarl...@geosyntec.com

Hope to see you there.

Geary





Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 11:55 AM.

Carbon-14 (14C) and Abundances of Deuterium (D) and Oxygen-18 (18O) along 
Groundwater Flow Paths of West Texas Bolson Aquifers as Indicators of 
Post-Pleistocene Warming

By Bruce K. Darling, Ph.D., P.G.

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Dr. Bruce K. Darling will make a presentation titled: Carbon-14 (14C) and 
Abundances of Deuterium (D) and Oxygen-18 (18O) along Groundwater Flow Paths of 
West Texas Bolson Aquifers as Indicators of Post-Pleistocene Warming." 
Wednesday, February 15, 2016 at 11:55 AM. The presentation will be held in the 
Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San 
Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring 
your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
Carbon-14 (14C) data from hydrogeologic studies in western Texas and 
southeastern New Mexico indicate that groundwaters of the region range in age 
from modern to late Pleistocene, with oldest apparent (uncorrected) residence 
times of 15,000 to as much as 30,000 years. The use of 14C in groundwater 
age-dating studies, however, is complicated by geochemical processes which 
render the isotope unreliable as an estimator of absolute age. These include 
dilution of 14C by interaction with Cretaceous and Permian carbonate rocks, and 
mixing of old and young groundwaters in dual-porosity systems.

We present an indirect approach to the problem of estimating residence time 
based on the integration of 14C with deuterium (D) and oxygen-18 (18O) - 
water-cycle stable isotopes with known temperature-fractionation gradients.  
Confined groundwaters of southeastern New Mexico and the Southern High Plains 
have been documented to be more depleted in D and 18O than unconfined waters. 
The lower δD-δ18O ratios of the confined waters have been attributed to the 
effects of depletion from heavier precipitation and/or lower temperatures of 
the late Wisconsinan glacial period.

In the Eagle Flat and Red Light basins (Hudspeth County) of the West Texas 
system of bolson aquifers, we have found groundwaters to be increasingly 
depleted in D and 18O along flow paths between basin margins and basin centers. 
 The depletion corresponds well with decreasing 14C measurements reported as 
percent of modern carbon (PMC), with increased depletion of D and 18O occurring 
at 15 PMC and lower.  We postulate that the association between δD-δ180 and 14C 
may constitute a semi-quantitative basis for differentiation of late 
Pleistocene and Holocene recharge dates, and that the trend toward younger 
waters more enriched in D and 18O is a reflection of a warming and increasingly 
arid regional climate over the last 10,000 to 11,000 years.  Furthermore, based 
on the range of lightest to heaviest δ180 ratios in groundwater, we estimate 
temperature differences of 5.5 to 7.5°C between the late Pleistocene and modern 
climates.

Biography
Bruce K. Darling, Ph.D., P.G., has 35 years of experience as a geologist and 
geochemist in the energy and environmental industries.  He is a Senior 
Consultant with Geosyntec Consultants, Austin, Texas.
Thank you.

Geary


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[Texascavers] FYI, NGWA Conference on Hydrogeophysics and Deep Groundwater with Andrea Croskrey

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Folks,

FYI, our very own Andrea Croskrey, with the Texas Water Development Board will 
be the Keynote presenter at an upcoming National Ground Water Association 
conference on Hydrogeophysics and Deep Groundwater in Denver Colorado.  Data of 
the conference is March 20-21. This is quite an honor and congradulations to 
Andrea. She has done some mighty fine work. Here is the title of her talk and a 
little bio.

Keynote presentation


Mapping Brackish Aquifers: Future Water Resources

presented by Andrea Croskrey, PG, Texas Water Development Board

Andrea Croskrey has been mapping brackish aquifers in Texas as a member of the 
Brackish Resources Aquifer Characterization System - otherwise known as BRACS - 
since 2013. Prior to working for the state, she was a geologist for the U.S. 
National Park Service. Croskrey holds a B.S. in comprehensive geology from 
Northwest Missouri State University and an M.S. in geosciences from Western 
Kentucky University.
http://www.ngwa.org/Events-Education/conferences/Pages/5043mar17.aspx

Geary

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[Texascavers] Reminder - Brown Bag Presentation on Wednesday, Dr. Soriano will present A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin at 11:55 am on Wednesday, February 8 at the EAA

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Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 11:55 A.M. .

A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin

By Dr. María Asunción Soriano


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Dr. María Asunción Soriano, Profesor Titular (Associate Professor) of 
Geodinámica Externa at the Universidad de Zaragoza will present a talk titled 
"A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin. The presentation will 
occur on Wednesday, February 8, 2017 from 11:55 A.M. to 12:55 P.M. in the 
Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San 
Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring 
your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

The central Ebro Basin is an exceptional region for studying karstification. 
Miocene evaporites are covered by alluvial deposits (Quaternary in age) and, 
consequently, a mantled karst is profusely developed. In this scenario, 
sinkholes have been developing since the Early Pleistocene until today. Present 
sinkholes are one of the main geohazards in this region. They are causing a lot 
of damage and economic loss especially in urban areas. Human activities, mainly 
irrigation, contribute to the development of these sinkholes. Application of 
research with diverse geophysical devices provides a better delimitation of 
risky urban areas. In addition, Pleistocene detrital deposits of the central 
Ebro Basin frequently present deformation features (both syn- and 
postsedimentary) traditionally attributed to karstification. The increase of 
urban areas in past years caused plenty of civil works and subsequent 
activities in quarries. Consequently, a high number of excellent artificial 
outcrops (up to 20 m in height) exposing Quaternary deposits and also Miocene 
deposits have been generated. The study of these paleodeformation structures 
(interpreted as paleosinkholes, in most cases) provides different pieces of 
information about: 1) the diverse processes involved in its genesis, 2) the 
evolutionary stages, 3) when dating, the length of time activity of the 
paleosinkhole, 4) the presence of anomalous sediments in the general 
sedimentary context, 5) the preservation of fine sediments that without 
sinkholes will be eroded. Comparison of patterns between paleo and present 
sinkhole are similar and, for this reason, the study of paleosinkholes can help 
to a better urban planning.

Biography

Dr. María Asunción SORIANO, obtained her Bachelor and PhD. in Geology both from 
the University of Zaragoza in Spain. She is Profesor Titular (Associate 
Professor) of Geodinámica Externa at the Universidad de Zaragoza, where she 
teaches Geology, Geomorphology and Remote Sensing applied to Geology.

Her main research interests are on Geomorphology, mainly of the Ebro Basin and 
Iberian Range (Spain). She elaborated detailed mapping of these areas. She also 
accomplished detailed studies of Holocene deposits in gullies, as well as in 
Neotectonics of Tertiary and Quaternary deposits in the Ebro Basin and Iberian 
Range, in some cases using Remote Sensing images.

But her main research topic is the study of karst in the central Ebro Basin. 
Present sinkholes are one of the main geohazards in this area and 
geomorphological and geophysical tools have been used in their study. 
Paleosinkholes are also numerous and in the last years this is a main target of 
her research.

She carried out several research projects as principal researcher and 
researcher. She also developed several contracts with private and public 
companies. Dr. Soriano published more than one hundred of scientific papers in 
journals and conference proceedings.

Thank you.

Geary


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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Memorial Page

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Fritz,

Can you email me off line. My email address is 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org The email 
address I have for you isn’t working.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Fritz Holt via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 10:13 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Jimmy Walker ; June Levy ; Mandy 
; Jacquetta Breedlove 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Memorial Page

June and I visited with old friend Jimmy Walker yesterday  for four hours at 
his home in Waelder, Texas. We had the additional pleasure of visiting with his 
son, Alan and wife Trish, delightful people.  At 89, Jimmy is doing well and is 
as sharp and personable as ever. Jimmy and I formed a close relationship in the 
mid 1950's which has endured to the present. Of several caving trips our most 
memorable was the excitement and distinction of being the second group to cross 
the "Ledge" in Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) and explore perhaps the most 
beautiful cave in America. This was February of 1956 when I was 21. We also 
have some great pictures of our 1959 trip to KICKAPOO Cave on the former ranch 
of Tommy Sargent, a neighbor of Happy Shahan, builder of Alamo Village. As some 
of you may know, Jimmy is a writer, adventurer, caver, photographer and 
probably the most talented artist of his time. I am in the process of acquiring 
some of his works.  Jimmy and I individually caved (spelunked) with Preston 
McMichael during his regretfully short life. My friends and I were greatly 
entertained on various camp outs by Preston playing classical guitar which he 
did quite well. Jimmy and I have numerous pictures of Preston which were taken 
on various outings. Some are at The Devil's Sinkhole, Goodenough Spring, a 
rancher's bunkhouse where we were caving and at the shelter caves on the Rio 
Grande with the historic Indian rock art. These were great times with two 
unique individuals. I should gather all of my caving pictures to donate to the 
TSS archives while I am still able.
Fritz F. Holt
fritz...@gmail.com
713-818-2496
At Triple Creek Ranch, Dripping Springs, Texas

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 2:35 AM, David via Texascavers 
> wrote:
I was just skimming thru the Texas Caver Memorial Page to
see if there was anything to say in memory of our lost friends and
colleagues.
According to the data in the table:

It has been 50 years now since Preston McMichael passed away.
I believe it has now been 11 years since Randy Waters passed away,
and 16 for Oren Tranbarger, and 10 year for Marcia Littlestar, and
17 for Pat Copeland.I believe Pat would have been 74 now.
William Blakemore would have celebrated his 94th birthday, and
Walter Friesen, his 73rd, and Rod Goke, 70, and Clark Santos 74.
I can only guess Charles Haskett would have been 60, as his birth year
does not appear to be listed correctly.
It appears that it has been 8 years since Harry Walker of Houston
passed away.
I know you all could look at this list and find similar things to say about
cavers you once met or even knew.
Can someone please add Jim McLane to the list ?
David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com
( I hope you won't add me to the list for 47 more years, as I would
like to celebrate my 100th Birthday.However, at the rate I am going
that don't look feasible.I think I need to set a lofty goal of reaching
60 and play it by ear after that.  I nearly had 2 car wrecks yesterday, falling
asleep at the wheel.  )
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[Texascavers] FW: Distinguished Lecture Presentation by Dr. E. Scott Bair on Friday, May 19, 2017

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

This is an announcement that I sent out yesterday for our brown bag 
presentation. Message me if you would like to have the flyer sent to you. The 
facility seats about 120 people and we've already had more than 60 people 
register. Dr. Bair is one of the best know hydrogeologist in the US as an 
author of numerous books and publications.

I'm sure it will be an outstanding presentation.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org



Folks,

We are pleased to announce that Dr. E. Scott Bair, Professor Emeritus at Ohio 
State University will be the Edwards Aquifer Authority's 22nd Distinguished 
Lecture Speaker on Friday, May 19, 2017. The lecture will begin at 9 am and 
will end around 4:00 pm.

The lecture is titled Who Done It? Investigative Insights and Answers to Three 
Groundwater Mysteries. One of the subjects of Dr. Bair's talk is a hazardous 
waste site in Woburn, Massachusetts which became nationally known because of a 
book and movie titled "A Civil Action." Dr. Bair will be discussing his 
evaluation and findings of the Woburn site along with work he has performed 
over his career.

Dr. Bair has taught courses in earth science, water resources, environmental 
geology, speleology, petroleum geology, hydrogeology, field methods, and 
groundwater flow modeling. 1n 1991, he received the Ohio State award for 
teaching excellence. He also served six years as department chair and has 
worked on projects for the Ohio DNR, Ohio EPA, NSF, USEPA, USDOE, USDA< USGS, 
and OSU.

Dr. Bair is a fellow of the Geological Society of America, recipient of its 
Birdsall-Dreiss Distinguished Lecturer, and former chair of its Hydrogeology 
Division.

To register for the event please visit the website below.

http://scottbair2017.eventzilla.net

If you have any questions about the lecture, please feel free to contact Rachel 
Mitchell or Geary Schindel at 210.222.2204.


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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation - A film titled Madagascar: An Adventure Tale by Benjy von Cramon

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Just a reminder.

Geary

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Friday, January 27, 2017 at 11:55 A.M. .

Madagascar: An Adventure Tale


By Benjy Von Cramon


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjy Von Cramon, Independent Documentary Producer, will present his film 
on Madagascar: An Adventure Tale. The presentation will occur on Friday, 
January 27, 2017 from 11:55 A.M. to 12:55 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

Independent documentary producer, Benjamin von Cramon, presents "Madagascar: An 
Adventure Tale". Part 1 of the trilogy opens with the Crocodile Caves of the 
Ankarana on the far north end of the Red Island. Few Americans ever tour this 
remote land, never mind head underground in search of Nile crocodile. 
Approximately 90 percent of all plant and animal species found in Madagascar 
are endemic, including the lemurs, whose dancing in real life brings more to 
unscripted adventure documentary than any animated Hollywood feature.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon is an award winning film maker - His body of work defies 
clean titles and easy categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing 
for broadcast, institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates 
between wildly disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to 
stories in Fourth World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep 
underground. The auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of 
great social import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to 
innovate the art of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon's projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.
Thank you.

Geary


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[Texascavers] Brown Bag Presentation - A film titled Madagascar: An Adventure Tale by Benjy von Cramon, Friday, January 27 at 11:55 am

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Friday, January 27, 2017 at 11:55 A.M. .

Madagascar: An Adventure Tale


By Benjy Von Cramon


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjy Von Cramon, Independent Documentary Producer, will present his film 
on Madagascar: An Adventure Tale. The presentation will occur on Friday, 
January 27, 2017 from 11:55 A.M. to 12:55 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

Independent documentary producer, Benjamin von Cramon, presents "Madagascar: An 
Adventure Tale". Part 1 of the trilogy opens with the Crocodile Caves of the 
Ankarana on the far north end of the Red Island. Few Americans ever tour this 
remote land, never mind head underground in search of Nile crocodile. 
Approximately 90 percent of all plant and animal species found in Madagascar 
are endemic, including the lemurs, whose dancing in real life brings more to 
unscripted adventure documentary than any animated Hollywood feature.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon is an award winning film maker - His body of work defies 
clean titles and easy categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing 
for broadcast, institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates 
between wildly disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to 
stories in Fourth World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep 
underground. The auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of 
great social import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to 
innovate the art of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon's projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.
Thank you.

Geary


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www.edwardsaquifer.org



210.222.2204 ext 346


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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Geophysical applications to the karstic features of Edwards Aquifer in Central Texas

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Thought you all might like to see this. Another fine NSS Webinar Presentation. 
I’ve seen Mustafa present on a number of occasions and he is a very good 
presenter and an expert in the use of geophysics in karst.

Geary Schindel



Subject: Join Us for Geophysical applications to the karstic features of 
Edwards Aquifer in Central Texas




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Geophysical applications to the karstic features of Edwards Aquifer in Central 
Texas
Presenter: Mustafa Saribudak,
Join us for a webinar on Jan 24, 2017 at 8:00 PM CST / 9PM EST / 7PM MST / 6PM 
PST please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1694532516059446531
Geophysical applications to the karstic features (caves, sinkholes, major 
faults, and conduits) of Edwards Aquifer in Central Texas.

This webinar presents mainly resistivity imaging (2D and 3D), natural potential 
(NP) and some other geophysical data (conductivity, magnetic, induced 
polarization, and seismic refraction data) collected over the karstic features 
of the Edwards Aquifer between the years of 2000 and 2016. These karstic 
features are caves filled with air or clay (or sediments) and/or both, 
sinkholes and major faults such as Mt. Bonnell, Haby and Barton Springs faults 
and conduits.

Detecting these karst-related features using these geophysical methods has been 
proven over the years. But each method has limitations in depth and resolution 
accuracy based on geological factors and size, shape, of the karstic feature. 
In addition, some methods, such as gravity, and seismic, take longer and they 
may be cost-inhibitive.

About 16 years of experience in endeavoring to locate these karstic features 
have proven that the best geophysical methods have been the combination of NP 
and resistivity techniques. Several case studies of resistivity and NP methods 
applied to the karstic features and to the major faults will be discussed in 
detail in this presentation.


Mustafa Saribudak, Ph.D. is the President of Environmental Geophysics 
Associates (EGA). He received a master's degree in geology and a doctorate in 
geophysics from Istanbul Technical University, Turkey. He came to the 
University of Houston in 1989 to work on a project funded by the National 
Science Foundation. He worked for Tierra Environmental between 1990 and 1993, 
where he pioneered application of geophysical methods to environmental 
problems. He founded EGA in 1994 to provide near-surface geophysical services 
for engineering, environmental, the oil and gas industry, and real estate 
developers. During the last sixteen years he has conducted geophysical surveys 
at more than 300 sites in the U.S and Central America. He has published 
numerous papers and short notes in geophysical and environmental journals. He 
is certified with the Texas Board of Professional Geoscientists (Geophysics). 
He is an active member of Society of Exploration Geophysics, Environmental & 
Engineering Geophysical Society, Houston Geological Society, and Houston 
Geophysical Society, Austin Geological Society, South Texas Geological Society. 
He lives in Austin, Texas.

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[Texascavers] Latest from Tuttle on WNS

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Interesting article from Merlin Tuttle on bats and WNS.

http://www.merlintuttle.com/resources/restore-wns-depleted-bat-populations/

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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Career strategies for young professionals in the geoscience & environmental fields.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Debbie asked if I would present a webinar for young folks on career 
development. The presentation is open to anyone with an interest in earth 
science careers and will provide some insight into career development and 
strategies.

Geary


Cavers,
Our last webinar for the year! Geary Schindel will be our guest speaker and he 
has very valuable information for anyone who is in or is thinking about a 
career in geoscience & environmental fields.
Please forward this to your  email list so that we can get this info to 
everyone.
Thank you
Merry Christmas


Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
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fields. Presenter: Geary Schindel
Join us for a webinar on Dec 20, 2016 at 8:00 PM CST/ 9PM EST / 7PM MST / 6PM 
PST. Please check your time zone for correct starting time.
Register now!
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This webinar will provide recommendations and advice to assist those who would 
like to prepare for a professional career in the geoscience and environmental 
fields. Our guest will be, Geary Schindel the Chief Technical Officer/Director 
of Aquifer Science at Edwards Aquifer Authority in San Antonio TX. Geary is a 
well known caver and former AVP for the NSS, he has decades of valuable 
experience that will be vital to those who are interested in entering this 
field. Geary will teach you very valuable information that will help you 
prepare and enter this field.
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[Texascavers] Reminder - Bexar Grotto Christmas Party tomorrow (December 17 at 6 pm) See info below.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,
The Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on Saturday, December 17th from 6 
pm until whenever at Geary and Sue Schindel's house located at 11310 Whisper 
Dawn in San Antonio. Phone is 210.479.2151. This is the same location as last 
year. The grotto will be providing a ham and other fixings and attendees are 
asked to bring an appropriate dish or dishes. There is a grill available in the 
backyard but we also encourage folks to bring dishes that have already been 
prepared as much of the kitchen space is taken up by blenders and glass 
containers and there is little room to prepare a dish. There is a microwave, 
oven, and stove top for heating up dishes as necessary.
The grotto will not be providing adult beverages but please feel free to bring 
your own beverage of choice. Please make sure that you drink responsibly.
There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange with certain restrictions. 
Gifts in the $5 to $20 range are appropriate and creative homemade gifts are 
always appreciated - especially if they are funny or related to caving (maybe 
another "Cat O 9" will make an appearance).  The house rules are that If you 
receive a gift,  you must take it home. If no one takes your gift, you have to 
take that home also. The only exception is beer, wine, or liquor - you can 
leave that. We would also encourage you to take home your dishes you bring and 
check out the selection as you may have one left over from last year. Please no 
pets as gifts - they tend to be left behind and usually end up in my neighbor's 
yard for some reason.
We're all for a separate exchange for kids if a parent wants to organize that. 
My kids are great so no, you can't change your kids for my kids no matter how 
much my kids beg.
 Couple of ground rules:
 * Event attire is Christmas Casual. That means you're welcome to dress 
up or not but please, make sure you change out of caving cloths and leave muddy 
boots in the car. If you need a shower before the party, we have a hose in the 
backyard (and lotion - you can either use the lotion or "gets the hose.").
 * If you've had too much to drink, we will find someone to drive you 
home or find a place for you at or under the house.
 * Kids are welcome but they need to be well behaved. No running in and 
out of the house or playing around the fire in the backyard. Our house is not 
kid proof and we don't want anyone hurt.
 * Please be careful where you park and don't block any of the 
neighbor's drive ways. However, street parking is fair game so don't let anyone 
tell you otherwise. No open containers in the street and please don't throw any 
bottles in people's front or backyards. Note there is some construction in the 
neighborhood so be careful where you walk.
 * The hot tub is hot and open for business (102 F). If you want to get 
in, plan accordingly (Bring a towel if you have one.). Please no diving or 
jumping and no snorkels and masks and there is no lifeguard on duty. Tub at 
your own risk.
 * Please leave your guns at home.
 * No keg stands, that resulted in some pretty messy accidents at the 
last party and we don't need that in the house (however, I now have a plunger 
in every bathroom - live and learn).
 * If you get a Cat O Nine Tails in the gift exchange, we would 
recommend you put it away as they can leave some nasty long term marks for the 
inexperienced (as Rob K how we know that).
 * No pets, including service animals. We now have three pets that 
don't tolerate other animals very well - no matter how well trained they are.
 * Stay off the roof and out of the trees - no good can come of it 
(geezzz. I hate having to keep posting this every year).
 Hopefully, the ground rules aren't too restrictive.
 Geary and Sue Schindel
11310 Whisper Dawn
San Antonio, Texas 78230
210.479.2151 phone




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[Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party - December 17th at 6 pm Casa de Schindel - Addendum

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Addendum to the Party.

As is our Holiday tradition, we’re asking party attendees to please bring 
canned foods or dry foods as a donation to the Sue Schindel rolling pantry.  
Sue passes out the food to her needy clients. Food shortages for some folks 
become critical near the end of each month.

Thank you,

Geary and Sue

From: bexargro...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bexargro...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Geary Schindel
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 2:07 PM
To: Bexar Grotto ; 'texascavers@texascavers.com' 

Subject: [BexarGrotto] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party - December 17th at 6 pm 
Casa de Schindel

Folks,
The Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on Saturday, December 17th from 6 
pm until whenever at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house located at 11310 Whisper 
Dawn in San Antonio. Phone is 210.479.2151. This is the same location as last 
year. The grotto will be providing a ham and other fixings and attendees are 
asked to bring an appropriate dish or dishes. There is a grill available in the 
backyard but we also encourage folks to bring dishes that have already been 
prepared as much of the kitchen space is taken up by blenders and glass 
containers and there is little room to prepare a dish. There is a microwave, 
oven, and stove top for heating up dishes as necessary.
The grotto will not be providing adult beverages but please feel free to bring 
your own beverage of choice. Please make sure that you drink responsibly.
There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange with certain restrictions. 
Gifts in the $5 to $20 range are appropriate and creative homemade gifts are 
always appreciated – especially if they are funny or related to caving (maybe 
another “Cat O 9” will make an appearance).  The house rules are that If you 
receive a gift,  you must take it home. If no one takes your gift, you have to 
take that home also. The only exception is beer, wine, or liquor – you can 
leave that. We would also encourage you to take home your dishes you bring and 
check out the selection as you may have one left over from last year. Please no 
pets as gifts – they tend to be left behind and usually end up in my neighbor’s 
yard for some reason.
We’re all for a separate exchange for kids if a parent wants to organize that. 
My kids are great so no, you can’t change your kids for my kids no matter how 
much my kids beg.
 Couple of ground rules:
 • Event attire is Christmas Casual. That means you’re welcome to dress 
up or not but please, make sure you change out of caving cloths and leave muddy 
boots in the car. If you need a shower before the party, we have a hose in the 
backyard.
 • If you’ve had too much to drink, we will find someone to drive you 
home or find a place for you at or under the house.
 • Kids are welcome but they need to be well behaved. No running in and 
out of the house or playing around the fire in the backyard. Our house is not 
kid proof and we don’t want anyone hurt.
 •
 • Please be careful where you park and don’t block any of the 
neighbor’s drive ways. However, street parking is fair game so don’t let anyone 
tell you otherwise. No open containers in the street and please don’t throw any 
bottles in people’s front or backyards.
 • The hot tub is hot and open for business. If you want to get in, 
plan accordingly. Please no diving or jumping and no snorkels and masks and 
there is no lifeguard on duty. Tub at your own risk.
 • Please leave your guns at home.
 • No keg stands, that resulted in some pretty messy accidents at the 
last party and we don’t need that in the house.

 • If you get a Cat O Nine Tails in the gift exchange, we would 
recommend you put it away as they can leave some nasty long term marks for the 
inexperienced.
 • No pets, including service animals. We now have three pets that 
don’t tolerate other animals very well – no matter how well trained they are.
 • Stay off the roof and out of the trees – no good can come of it 
(geezzz. I hate having to keep posting this every year).
 Hopefully, the ground rules aren’t too restrictive.
 Geary and Sue Schindel
11310 Whisper Dawn
San Antonio, Texas 78230
210.479.2151 phone
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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party - December 17th at 6 pm Casa de Schindel

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

If you’re heading to Huntsville, make sure that you go by and admire all the 
work that Preston and Sheri have done for the NSS Headquarters. Preston, am I 
right that you built the table and cabinets for the conference room. 
Outstanding work.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:31 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party - December 17th at 6 pm 
Casa de Schindel

Wish we were closer to Geary's in San Antonio as I do like my roof star 
watching time,but, we are going to the Huntsville New Year Eve Party.  To Party 
and check out what has been done recently and see what is left to do to "our" 
headquarters.

Preston Forsythe, KY

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:07 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

Folks,
The Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on Saturday, December 17th from 6 
pm until whenever at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house located at 11310 Whisper 
Dawn in San Antonio. Phone is 210.479.2151. This is the same location as last 
year. The grotto will be providing a ham and other fixings and attendees are 
asked to bring an appropriate dish or dishes. There is a grill available in the 
backyard but we also encourage folks to bring dishes that have already been 
prepared as much of the kitchen space is taken up by blenders and glass 
containers and there is little room to prepare a dish. There is a microwave, 
oven, and stove top for heating up dishes as necessary.
The grotto will not be providing adult beverages but please feel free to bring 
your own beverage of choice. Please make sure that you drink responsibly.
There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange with certain restrictions. 
Gifts in the $5 to $20 range are appropriate and creative homemade gifts are 
always appreciated – especially if they are funny or related to caving (maybe 
another “Cat O 9” will make an appearance).  The house rules are that If you 
receive a gift,  you must take it home. If no one takes your gift, you have to 
take that home also. The only exception is beer, wine, or liquor – you can 
leave that. We would also encourage you to take home your dishes you bring and 
check out the selection as you may have one left over from last year. Please no 
pets as gifts – they tend to be left behind and usually end up in my neighbor’s 
yard for some reason.
We’re all for a separate exchange for kids if a parent wants to organize that. 
My kids are great so no, you can’t change your kids for my kids no matter how 
much my kids beg.
Couple of ground rules:
•Event attire is Christmas Casual. That means you’re welcome to dress 
up or not but please, make sure you change out of caving cloths and leave muddy 
boots in the car. If you need a shower before the party, we have a hose in the 
backyard.
•If you’ve had too much to drink, we will find someone to drive you 
home or find a place for you at or under the house.
•Kids are welcome but they need to be well behaved. No running in and 
out of the house or playing around the fire in the backyard. Our house is not 
kid proof and we don’t want anyone hurt.
•
•Please be careful where you park and don’t block any of the neighbor’s 
drive ways. However, street parking is fair game so don’t let anyone tell you 
otherwise. No open containers in the street and please don’t throw any bottles 
in people’s front or backyards.
•The hot tub is hot and open for business. If you want to get in, plan 
accordingly. Please no diving or jumping and no snorkels and masks and there is 
no lifeguard on duty. Tub at your own risk.
•Please leave your guns at home.
•No keg stands, that resulted in some pretty messy accidents at the 
last party and we don’t need that in the house.

•If you get a Cat O Nine Tails in the gift exchange, we would recommend 
you put it away as they can leave some nasty long term marks for the 
inexperienced.
•No pets, including service animals. We now have three pets that don’t 
tolerate other animals very well – no matter how well trained they are.
•Stay off the roof and out of the trees – no good can come of it 
(geezzz. I hate having to keep posting this every year).
Hopefully, the ground rules aren’t too restrictive.
Geary and Sue Schindel
11310 Whisper Dawn
San Antonio, Texas 78230
210.479.2151 phone

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[Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party - December 17th at 6 pm Casa de Schindel

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,
The Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on Saturday, December 17th from 6 
pm until whenever at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house located at 11310 Whisper 
Dawn in San Antonio. Phone is 210.479.2151. This is the same location as last 
year. The grotto will be providing a ham and other fixings and attendees are 
asked to bring an appropriate dish or dishes. There is a grill available in the 
backyard but we also encourage folks to bring dishes that have already been 
prepared as much of the kitchen space is taken up by blenders and glass 
containers and there is little room to prepare a dish. There is a microwave, 
oven, and stove top for heating up dishes as necessary.
The grotto will not be providing adult beverages but please feel free to bring 
your own beverage of choice. Please make sure that you drink responsibly.
There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange with certain restrictions. 
Gifts in the $5 to $20 range are appropriate and creative homemade gifts are 
always appreciated – especially if they are funny or related to caving (maybe 
another “Cat O 9” will make an appearance).  The house rules are that If you 
receive a gift,  you must take it home. If no one takes your gift, you have to 
take that home also. The only exception is beer, wine, or liquor – you can 
leave that. We would also encourage you to take home your dishes you bring and 
check out the selection as you may have one left over from last year. Please no 
pets as gifts – they tend to be left behind and usually end up in my neighbor’s 
yard for some reason.
We’re all for a separate exchange for kids if a parent wants to organize that. 
My kids are great so no, you can’t change your kids for my kids no matter how 
much my kids beg.
 Couple of ground rules:
 • Event attire is Christmas Casual. That means you’re welcome to dress 
up or not but please, make sure you change out of caving cloths and leave muddy 
boots in the car. If you need a shower before the party, we have a hose in the 
backyard.
 • If you’ve had too much to drink, we will find someone to drive you 
home or find a place for you at or under the house.
 • Kids are welcome but they need to be well behaved. No running in and 
out of the house or playing around the fire in the backyard. Our house is not 
kid proof and we don’t want anyone hurt.
 •
 • Please be careful where you park and don’t block any of the 
neighbor’s drive ways. However, street parking is fair game so don’t let anyone 
tell you otherwise. No open containers in the street and please don’t throw any 
bottles in people’s front or backyards.
 • The hot tub is hot and open for business. If you want to get in, 
plan accordingly. Please no diving or jumping and no snorkels and masks and 
there is no lifeguard on duty. Tub at your own risk.
 • Please leave your guns at home.
 • No keg stands, that resulted in some pretty messy accidents at the 
last party and we don’t need that in the house.

 • If you get a Cat O Nine Tails in the gift exchange, we would 
recommend you put it away as they can leave some nasty long term marks for the 
inexperienced.
 • No pets, including service animals. We now have three pets that 
don’t tolerate other animals very well – no matter how well trained they are.
 • Stay off the roof and out of the trees – no good can come of it 
(geezzz. I hate having to keep posting this every year).
 Hopefully, the ground rules aren’t too restrictive.
 Geary and Sue Schindel
11310 Whisper Dawn
San Antonio, Texas 78230
210.479.2151 phone
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[Texascavers] San Antonio Sinkhole on South Side

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Thought some of you might like to see this video from KENS 5 regarding a 
sinkhole that occurred on the south side of San Antonio over the last two days. 
Two cars drove into the collapse and one person was killed. The sinkhole 
appears to be related to an sewer line and is probably a result of soil being 
flushed into the line. Heavy rains over the last three days probably added to 
the problem.

http://www.kens5.com/news/local/how-sinkholes-happen-and-how-rare-they-are-for-our-area/363621119

Dr. Gao, a Geosciences professor at UTSA did a nice job with the interview.

Geary Schindel



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[Texascavers] Fwd: Join Us for How strong is that knot you are hanging your life on? A Review of Knot Strength Testing

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Fyi


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: "D. Spoons"
Date:11/28/2016 9:37 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Geary Schindel
Subject: Join Us for How strong is that knot you are hanging your life on? A 
Review of Knot Strength Testing

Cavers,


Tom Evans is back for another great webinar! Tom is the co-founder of SAR3, a 
research group that deals with testing equipment. Tom is an NCRC instructor and 
has a great insight into what cavers and search &  rescue teams need.
Please register for this amazing webinar and forward this to your email list.

Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
NSS CaveNet Webinar Chairman


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How strong is that knot you are hanging your life on? A Review of Knot Strength 
Testing Presenter: Tom Evans Co-founder of SAR 3
Join us for a webinar on Nov 29, 2016 at 8:00 PM CST/ 9PM EST/ 7PM MST/ 6PM PST 
please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/8925991903648503811
Tom Evans, NCRC instructor and co-founder of the research group SAR 3, will be 
discussing facts and debunking myths during this webinar.
The strength of rigging knots is a much debated and argued subject, and yet 
data and evidence are rarely used to discuss life safety knot strengths. A 
literature review and meta-analysis of knot strength research (114 studies) was 
performed and the results show just how strong knots are both in relationship 
to each other and their absolute strengths in various materials.

Tom has been a vertical caver for a decade, and has been trained in both above 
and below ground rope rescue. He is a National Cave Rescue Commission 
(http://ncrc.info/) instructor, and has a rescue rigging research program whose 
results are published at the International Technical Rescue Symposium 
(http://itrsonline.org/). Recently he cofounded a nonprofit (SAR3, 
http://sarrr.weebly.com/) dedicated to providing research and teaching in 
support of rescue and sport rigging. Through his work, Tom is constantly 
immersed in the science and practice of rigging.

This and all webinars are recorded and stored on the NSS website www.caves.org 
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[Texascavers] Vertical Caving trip this weekend for photo project

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

I'm looking for two people to help with a project in Medina County this 
weekend. This is a rare chance to enter a normally closed cave. They MUST be 
vertically competent and feel comfortable with about 150 feet of rope work. We 
will be spending some long days in the cave on Saturday and Sunday and need 
help carrying equipment around, help haul stuff out of the pit, etc.  I've had 
some folks that have had to cancel at the last minute. We'll also be working 
Wednesday through Friday and may use one more person then.

Please email me and I can fill you in on details.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
210.326.1576 cell



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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation TODAY by Benjy von Cramon (Tuesday, November 15) at 11:55 am.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

This is a reminder of the brown bag presentation today. I would recommend that 
you get there a little early as Benjy has a limited number of 3D glasses (39) 
for the presentation.  Benjy is an award winning videographer, director, 
photographer and story teller. He has produced works for National Geographic, 
the Discovery Channel, and PBS. He will show some 3D images of the cave where 
37 Jews hid out during WWII which was documented in the book and movie “No 
Place on Earth” He will discuss the concept and techniques for the use of 3D 
images for educational and documentation purposes. He has developed a number of 
techniques and photo equipment for creating 3D images.

Geary Schindel
Edwards Aquifer Authority



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society –
aka brown bag luncheon

Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 11:55 AM

3D Mapping and Photorealistic Virtual Environments


By Benjamin von Cramon


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Benjamin von Cramon will make a presentation on 3D mapping and 
photorealistic virtual environments. The presentation will occur on Tuesday, 
November 15, 2016 from 11:55 AM 12:55 AM in the Training Room at the Edwards 
Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
Adventure Documentary Filmmaker Benjamin von Cramon has reinvented himself as 
an inventor, will present on his pioneering work in the emerging field of 
reality capture and share some of the fruits of his efforts in 3D, virtual 
Priest’s Grotto Cave in western Ukraine. Priest’s Grotto was used as a hiding 
place for Jews during the Second World War. This presentation will introduce 
the audience to 3D film and photo techniques utilizing cutting edge technology.

Biography
Benjamin von Cramon, flim maker — His body of work defies clean titles and easy 
categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing for broadcast, 
institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates between wildly 
disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to stories in Fourth 
World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs deep underground. The 
auteur is as comfortable developing content around issues of great social 
import as he is problem-solving advanced technologies used to innovate the art 
of story-telling.

A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a 
qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for Autodesk 
Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career reflects a sustained 
effort to elevate the latest technologies in their usefulness to education for 
highly visual learning experiences. Each of von Cramon’s projects are informed 
by broad humanities education, grounded in highly physical experiences, and are 
inspired by unbound curiosity and tempered hope for the human condition.
Thank you.

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Assistance number for Bexar County

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Joe,

Thanks for the clarification. When I called the number a few minutes ago, all I 
got was an answering machine which didn’t identify the who’s number it was and 
I didn’t recognize it. When I called the other number, I got someone who did 
answer but wasn’t a caver.

The listing of county call numbers is not ideal and maybe some better method 
could be considered.

Thanks,

Geary



From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
Ranzau via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 1:59 PM
To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave Assistance number for Bexar County

Geary -
I'm pretty sure Linda Palit is a Texas Caver...

"Number from the Texas Caver is

210.865.2061 Texas Caver

I've called both the TSA and the Texas Caver numbers to see if there was a 
caver associated with them and there was not."

:-)
Joe

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Folks,

I've check the TSA web page and the Texas Caver related to the call number to 
request Caver Assistance.

I volunteered a number of years ago to have my cell phone listed for cave 
assistance. I checked them today and here is what I found.

The number listed on the Texas Speleological Association web page is

210.865.1576

Number from the Texas Caver is

210.865.2061 Texas Caver

My actual number is:
210.326.1576 cell

It is close to the TSA number but probably won't get any help there.

I've called both the TSA and the Texas Caver numbers to see if there was a 
caver associated with them and there was not.

I would recommend that these numbers be changed to 
210.326.1576 (unless someone else wants to do this).

I would also recommend that the names associated with each number be listed on 
the web page and Texas Caver.

It would probably be worthwhile to check the numbers for the other counties to 
see if they are up to date and figure out who they go to.

In addition, the NCRC names and numbers appear to be out of date.

Anmar Mirsz is still the NCRC National Coordinator and not John Punches (John 
is the training officer)

Also, the NCRC web page has DJ Walker listed as the South Central Region 
Coordinator.

I'm not sure if the Kreidler Funeral Home is still volunteering to be part of 
the cave rescue system.

I think it's time to update this system.

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[Texascavers] Cave Assistance number for Bexar County

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

I've check the TSA web page and the Texas Caver related to the call number to 
request Caver Assistance.

I volunteered a number of years ago to have my cell phone listed for cave 
assistance. I checked them today and here is what I found.

The number listed on the Texas Speleological Association web page is

210.865.1576

Number from the Texas Caver is

210.865.2061 Texas Caver

My actual number is:
210.326.1576 cell

It is close to the TSA number but probably won't get any help there.

I've called both the TSA and the Texas Caver numbers to see if there was a 
caver associated with them and there was not.

I would recommend that these numbers be changed to 210.326.1576 (unless someone 
else wants to do this).

I would also recommend that the names associated with each number be listed on 
the web page and Texas Caver.

It would probably be worthwhile to check the numbers for the other counties to 
see if they are up to date and figure out who they go to.

In addition, the NCRC names and numbers appear to be out of date.

Anmar Mirsz is still the NCRC National Coordinator and not John Punches (John 
is the training officer)

Also, the NCRC web page has DJ Walker listed as the South Central Region 
Coordinator.

I'm not sure if the Kreidler Funeral Home is still volunteering to be part of 
the cave rescue system.

I think it's time to update this system.

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Re: [Texascavers] REI wild caving trip in Statesman

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Or, someone from the grotto can volunteer to make a presentation on caving 
every few months as part of their education and outreach program. I've already 
done one here in San Antonio and we picked up a couple of new members. Probably 
should get into the regular rotation.

I do have to agree with Chris about the descender issue. ATC's are acceptable 
and commonly used descender for rock climbing. The rappelling is actually 
occurring outdoors on pretty clean ropes so there probably isn't an issue with 
equipment wear, considering the length of the drop.  The ATC's provide pretty 
good friction. I think Chris is right, the scope of the article was limited and 
we want to be careful about being to nitpicky. I think REI offers some quality 
instruction for rock climbing and hope they take the same level of care for 
caving. 

Asking if you could put up a flyer announcing the grotto meetings and web page 
is also a good idea.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:43 PM
To: Cave Tex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] REI wild caving trip in Statesman

At the very least, someone from the UT Grotto might want to contact REI and get 
them to hand out information about the grotto to their caving trip participants.

Diana

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Medical Center
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Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 3:39 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> 
> Nichols Outdoor Adventures doesn't offer a rappelling tour, since our 
> insurance doesn't cover ropes. 
> 
> Also, it was our understanding that they were doing a one time trip with the 
> previous superintendent. We had no clue that they were making this a 
> recurring event, and it will be interesting to see how this works out, since 
> we use that cave too. 
> 
> -Heather
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, $145 for a guided trip into Gorman Creek Cave, complete with the wrong 
>> kind of rappelling device for a caver!
>> 
>> Nichols Outdoor Adventure should charge more than $50 for their trip.
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
>> **
>> Diana R. Tomchick
>> Professor
>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas 
>> Southwestern Medical Center
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214A
>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 3:08 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Nomination deadline for NSS Awards is December 10 as noted below

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Be aware that the deadline for nominations is December 10. The NSS web page 
will be updated soon. Sorry for the confusion.

Geary

From: bexargro...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bexargro...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Geary Schindel
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:40 PM
To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com' ; 
bexargro...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [BexarGrotto] Nomination deadline for NSS Awards is November 15th.

Folks,

The Deadline for nominations for NSS Awards is December 10th.  Please see the 
different awards below. I think there are a number of folks in the region that 
are deserving of awards so keep those letters coming to the Awards Committee.

Geary Schindel
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NSS AWARD NOMINATIONS
by: Members of the Awards Committee
It is time to nominate that deserving member of your grotto, section, or region 
for an NSS award to be presented at the 2017 Convention in Rio Rancho, New 
Mexico. Please submit nominations to the appropriate award sub-chair by 
December 10, 2016. Award information is published on the NSS Awards Web Page 
(www.caves.org/committee/award). You can 
submit your nominations for the following awards.

William J. Stephenson Outstanding Service Award
The Outstanding Service Award is given each year to a member of the NSS for 
outstanding service to the Society and its goals. Life Membership is conferred 
upon receipt of this award. This and the Honorary Membership (below) constitute 
the Society’s highest awards. Send nominations to Bill Mixon, 
bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu.

Honorary Membership
The Honorary Membership is given each year to one person, not necessarily an 
NSS member, for outstanding contributions to the field of speleology. The award 
confers life membership to the Society. Send nominations to Bill Mixon, 
bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu.

Lew Bicking Award*
The Lew Bicking Award recognizes dedication to the thorough exploration and 
mapping of a cave or a group of caves. The award is given to an individual NSS 
member or a pair of members who, through specific joint actions, qualify 
equally for the award based on the exploration they have done together. 
Candidates must have been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at 
least the past two years. A cash award accompanies this recognition. Send 
nominations to Bill Steele, speleoste...@aol.com.

Science Award*
The Science Award is given each year to recognize an individual NSS member or a 
pair of members who, through specific joint actions, qualify equally for the 
award based on outstanding dedication to the scientific study of caves. 
Candidates must have been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at 
least the past two years. Send nominations to Dr. Kathy Lavoie at 
lavoi...@plattsburgh.edu.

Spelean Arts and Letters Award*
The Spelean Arts and Letters Award is given annually to recognize an individual 
NSS member or a pair of members who, through specific joint actions qualify 
equally for the award, over time has advanced spelean arts and letters by 
significant artistic expression, management, or criticism. Candidates must have 
been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at least the past two 
years. Send nominations to Linda Starr, 
lstarr...@gmail.com.

Victor A. Schmidt Conservation Award*
The Victor A. Schmidt Conservation Award is given annually to an individual NSS 
member or a pair of members who, through specific joint actions qualify equally 
for the award through his, her, or their actions and has demonstrated an 
outstanding dedication to the cause of cave conservation. Candidates must have 
been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at least the past two 
years. Send nominations to Ellie Falgout, 
falgout.el...@gmail.com.

Fellow of the Society
Recipients are members who, over a number of years, have exemplified by their 
actions their dedication to the goals of the Society or to the Society itself. 
Recipients must have been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at 
least two years immediately prior to their names being submitted as candidates. 
Send nominations to Carol Tiderman, cti...@ymail.com.

Certificate of Merit
Certificates may be given to individuals, jointly to no more than three 
individuals, or to organizations. (NSS Membership is not required.) A maximum 
of three Certificates of Merit may be awarded each year for specific, recent 
accomplishments in cave exploration, study, conservation, or for 
accomplishments, which further other goals of the Society. Send nominations to 
Gary Moss, gmoss...@gmail.com.

Peter M. Hauer Spelean History Award
This award 

[Texascavers] Nomination deadline for NSS Awards is November 15th.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

The Deadline for nominations for NSS Awards is November 15th. Please see the 
different awards below. I think there are a number of folks in the region that 
are deserving of awards so keep those letters coming to the Awards Committee.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org




NSS AWARD NOMINATIONS
by: Members of the Awards Committee
It is time to nominate that deserving member of your grotto, section, or region 
for an NSS award to be presented at the 2017 Convention in Rio Rancho, New 
Mexico. Please submit nominations to the appropriate award sub-chair by 
December 10, 2016. Award information is published on the NSS Awards Web Page 
(www.caves.org/committee/award). You can submit your nominations for the 
following awards.

William J. Stephenson Outstanding Service Award
The Outstanding Service Award is given each year to a member of the NSS for 
outstanding service to the Society and its goals. Life Membership is conferred 
upon receipt of this award. This and the Honorary Membership (below) constitute 
the Society's highest awards. Send nominations to Bill Mixon, 
bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu.

Honorary Membership
The Honorary Membership is given each year to one person, not necessarily an 
NSS member, for outstanding contributions to the field of speleology. The award 
confers life membership to the Society. Send nominations to Bill Mixon, 
bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu.

Lew Bicking Award*
The Lew Bicking Award recognizes dedication to the thorough exploration and 
mapping of a cave or a group of caves. The award is given to an individual NSS 
member or a pair of members who, through specific joint actions, qualify 
equally for the award based on the exploration they have done together. 
Candidates must have been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at 
least the past two years. A cash award accompanies this recognition. Send 
nominations to Bill Steele, speleoste...@aol.com.

Science Award*
The Science Award is given each year to recognize an individual NSS member or a 
pair of members who, through specific joint actions, qualify equally for the 
award based on outstanding dedication to the scientific study of caves. 
Candidates must have been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at 
least the past two years. Send nominations to Dr. Kathy Lavoie at 
lavoi...@plattsburgh.edu.

Spelean Arts and Letters Award*
The Spelean Arts and Letters Award is given annually to recognize an individual 
NSS member or a pair of members who, through specific joint actions qualify 
equally for the award, over time has advanced spelean arts and letters by 
significant artistic expression, management, or criticism. Candidates must have 
been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at least the past two 
years. Send nominations to Linda Starr, lstarr...@gmail.com.

Victor A. Schmidt Conservation Award*
The Victor A. Schmidt Conservation Award is given annually to an individual NSS 
member or a pair of members who, through specific joint actions qualify equally 
for the award through his, her, or their actions and has demonstrated an 
outstanding dedication to the cause of cave conservation. Candidates must have 
been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at least the past two 
years. Send nominations to Ellie Falgout, falgout.el...@gmail.com.

Fellow of the Society
Recipients are members who, over a number of years, have exemplified by their 
actions their dedication to the goals of the Society or to the Society itself. 
Recipients must have been NSS members, in good standing of the Society, for at 
least two years immediately prior to their names being submitted as candidates. 
Send nominations to Carol Tiderman, cti...@ymail.com.

Certificate of Merit
Certificates may be given to individuals, jointly to no more than three 
individuals, or to organizations. (NSS Membership is not required.) A maximum 
of three Certificates of Merit may be awarded each year for specific, recent 
accomplishments in cave exploration, study, conservation, or for 
accomplishments, which further other goals of the Society. Send nominations to 
Gary Moss, gmoss...@gmail.com.

Peter M. Hauer Spelean History Award
This award includes a cash award to be given to an individual or group of 
individuals engaged in an outstanding spelean history research project. Send 
nominations to Carolyn Cronk, e-mail at carolyncr...@arasian.com.

James G. Mitchell Award
This award includes a cash award for the best scientific paper presented at the 
NSS Convention by a student member (or members) of the Society. For 
consideration, contact Mike Backe, caver.ba...@outlook.com.
*The Awards Committee shall give preference to candidates who have not received 
the Outstanding Service Award or Honorary Membership.

Comments and suggestions on the nomination process and operation of the Awards 
Committee are always welcome. Please contact Mike Backe, awa...@caves.org, 98 
Forest Drive, Boise, ID 83716.

[Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig this Saturday - October 22 at 9 am - Near New Braunfels

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,
We still have some room for folks if they want to come out and help with the 
dig at the LaChance Sinkhole. We’re on for this Saturday starting at 9 am. The 
sinkhole and cave are located about 8 miles west of New Braunfels. Weather is 
looking fantastic. Let me know if you would like to go and I’ll send you the 
address.
Thanks,
Geary Schindel
210.326.1576 cell


Folks,

Just a reminder that we’re organizing another dig at the LaChance Sinkhole 
located northwest of New Braunfels for Saturday, October 22 (this weekend). 
This is a compound sinkhole with four different throats. The sinkholes drain a 
large area and have resulted in flooding of the house on the property. We made 
a lot of progress removing material from the sinkhole and creating some berms 
out of rock to help slow down water and drop sediment. One of the sinkholes is 
a cave approximately 50 feet long that has a 15 foot down climb to a bedding 
plane crawl. The digging is soft debris.

The other sinkhole throats are various amounts of rock and dirt. The cave 
associated with the sinkholes should go big. This is one of the bigger 
sinkholes in the Texas Hill Country and it is on the north side of the 
Guadalupe River so probably drains to San Marcos, approximately 20 miles away.

The dig will start around 9 am and the weather looks great. We’ll have a jack 
hammer and generator at the site. We’ll need buckets, pry bars, shovels, etc. 
for work at the cave.

I have room for about 25 folks so if you would like to go, please let me know.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR cooks wrap-up (sort of...)

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Stefan,

Thanks for all  the hard work by you and your staff.  The quality and quantity 
of food prepared has been outstanding. Hopefully, you’ve had fun at the same 
time, made some friends and many good memories, and retained your sense of 
humor.

Thanks again for a job well done.

Geary Schindel


From: Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
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To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:31 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR cooks wrap-up (sort of...)

The coolers are washed and put away, the recycling sorted (thanks all for only 
0.5% trash in there!) and put out, bills paid… Only the washing up and re-pack 
of the trailer to go…

Would like to thank the Aggies for another *outstanding* contribution – helping 
cook, serve, wash up after (!!), dismantle tent and re-pack of trailer. We 
could not do the weekend without their help, and it is *very* much appreciated.

The following people were largely responsible for getting all y’all fed  -  
Cammy and Vico Jones, Sean Vincent, Laura, Jocie Hooper, Eric Flint, Rob 
Upchurch, and a host of choppers (too many to list), stirrers and last minute 
shoppers (Ken Demarest)! I want to thank them for all their hard work, and 
putting up with me being a miserable  all Saturday! Oh, and Sam Marshall 
for hauling the new trailer to and from TCR.


I have been chief cook and bottle washer for 10 TCRs now and the time has come 
for me to hang up my spoon and apron, and pass the trailer keys to a new, more 
enthusiastic, volunteer. It has been an interesting ride, but I need to enjoy 
Paradise Canyon from the other side of the pot sometime.

If you have the desire to take this on – lead a team of enthusiastic volunteers 
of your making, cooking food for your greater circle of friends, then please 
get in touch asap and we’ll pass on some wisdom before our old brains erase it.

So long, and thanks for all the chillies.

-Stefan

Stefan Creaser
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[Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig this Saturday - October 22 at 9 am - Near New Braunfels

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Just a reminder that we're organizing another dig at the LaChance Sinkhole 
located northwest of New Braunfels for Saturday, October 22 (this weekend). 
This is a compound sinkhole with four different throats. The sinkholes drain a 
large area and have resulted in flooding of the house on the property. We made 
a lot of progress removing material from the sinkhole and creating some berms 
out of rock to help slow down water and drop sediment. One of the sinkholes is 
a cave approximately 50 feet long that has a 15 foot down climb to a bedding 
plane crawl. The digging is soft debris.

The other sinkhole throats are various amounts of rock and dirt. The cave 
associated with the sinkholes should go big. This is one of the bigger 
sinkholes in the Texas Hill Country and it is on the north side of the 
Guadalupe River so probably drains to San Marcos, approximately 20 miles away.

The dig will start around 9 am and the weather looks great. We'll have a jack 
hammer and generator at the site. We'll need buckets, pry bars, shovels, etc. 
for work at the cave.

I have room for about 25 folks so if you would like to go, please let me know.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] Annouce

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

I saw this announcement on TAGNET, the email system for the southeastern region.

I'm sure it will be great fun and an opportunity to visit the NSS Office.

Geary


1)  New Year's Eve Party at the NSS Headquarters & Conference Center
  By: Julie Schenck  (Horse Cove, Alabama)
  jesche...@hotmail.com


New Year's Eve Party at the NSS Headquarters & Conference CenterRegistration: 
$50.00/ Person or $25.00 for 12 and under. Open to all NSS members and 
guests-dress is caver casual.Commemorative cup and T-shirt included with 
registration.Doors open at 5:00 PM on Saturday, December 31st for this 
socialgathering, which features a catered New Year's Eve dinner by 
CreativeCatering of Huntsville and includes:Carved pork loin, chicken tenders 
with honey mustard, cocktail rolls,fresh fruit, fresh vegetables with dip, 
spinach dip, cheese and crackerassortment, potato bar with condiments, and 
cake. Sweet tea, unsweettea, coffee, and cavers' favorite adult beverages will 
also be served!DJ music and dancing from 8:00 PM - 1:00 AM with Champagne at 
Midnight.Camping is also included in the registration price, with the 
groundsopen from noon on Friday to noon on Monday; toilet facilities 
available.To register online: http://bit.ly/2e4cX8BIf you don't already have a 
Neon account with the NSS, click "Continueevent registration as a new account." 
Your registration will create aNeon account for you, so remember your unique 
login!Please register by December 1, 2016 as there will be no registration 
atthe event.Point of contact for event information: Fennigan Spencer, Event 
Chair,fennigant@gmail.comFor registration or other fundraising questions 
contact: Bill Jackson, Fundraising Chair, at bjackson.direc...@caves.org or 
706-840-2619Support the NSS Headquarters and Conference CenterBurn the mortgage 
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[Texascavers] FW: Blair Pittman

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

FYI,

Geary

From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:42 PM
To: Cave NM ; Cave Texas 

Subject: Blair Pittman

Another unique individual is gone -  Exploring and photographing caves was only 
only one of the remarkable and exceptional  aspects of Blair Pittman.

DirtDoc


From: "Terlingua Moon" >
10/10/2016

Our Community Mourns One of our Own

 Blair Pittman passed away this morning. Blair was a famous and infamous 
photographer from Houston paper in the old days, came out to Big Bend regularly 
and ultimately settled out here. He was married to Jeanne Northsworthy in the 
80s and was around Lajitas and involved with us all during the Mischer days and 
with the local old-timers..like Ross Maxwell.

He and Jean Hardy-Pittman fell in love and have been married for quite a while 
now and we have enjoyed them both often in the Ghostown. She has been his angel 
and he knew it. He shot (photographed) our Big Bend so wonderfully and he loved 
it deeply. May he RIP….and we will miss him a lot. I loved him.
Memorial service to be decided later.

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[Texascavers] October LaChance Sinkhole Dig, New Braunfels, Texas - Saturday, October 22

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

I'm organizing another LaChance Sinkhole dig on Saturday, October 22, 2016. The 
sinkhole is located a few miles west of New Braunfels. There are actually four 
sinkholes located behind there house that need work. These are quality digs 
with two of the sinkholes having real caves associated. They take a large 
amount of water which has backed up and created flooding issues in the LaChance 
household. The dig will start at 9 am and if the weather is good, we may be 
able to jump in the Guadalupe River again after the dig. We'll end sometime 
after 2-3 pm.

Please let me know if you're able to attend and I'll send you directions.

Thanks

Geary Schindel



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[Texascavers] FW: HELP Join Us for Underground Cave Cities of Central Turkey

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Cavers,
Summer is over and it is time for more webinars!!
We have a really intriguing webinar about HUGE ancient cave cities that will be 
presented by Trevor Parker. This will be an incredibly interesting and unusual 
webinar, please join us.

Please forward this to your groups and interested parties.

Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
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Underground Cave Cities of Central Turkey. Presenter: Trevor Parker
Join us for a webinar on Oct 06, 2016 at 8:00 PM CDT. Which is, 9PM EDT / 7PM 
MDT / 6PM PDT, please check your time zone for the correct starting time
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/5587082951673256196
Turkey, the area bridging Asia and Europe, has a long and amazing history. It 
has seen wars, peace, swelling empires, and crumbling governments.
One chapter from its long history was the creation of “cave cities”. For many 
years, people actually dug their homes underground. Entire cities were formed 
that branched off to create a sprawling underground civilization. This wasn't 
just one city, or even just a few in an area, this is hundreds if not thousands 
of cities that thrived underground. The numbers of these ancient cities were so 
numerous that more cities are still being discovered to this day.

In this webinar Trevor Parker will take you to Turkey on a trip through the 
country experiencing culture, history, geology, and exploring several of these 
cities.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.
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[Texascavers] Texas Hydro Geo Workshop - September 30 to October 2 (Friday to Sunday)

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

The 3rd annual Texas Hydro Geo Workshop is fast approaching. The workshop was 
created to bring students, interested public, educators, and practitioners 
together in a field setting as a hands-on learning experience. The event is 
organized in a series of concurrent and consecutive modules that explore the 
many different techniques for the collection and analysis of data from soil, 
rock , and water media. The event is structured to provide participants with 
the opportunity to work with leading researchers and practitioners from across 
the state and nation.

The event is held at Cave Without a Name near Boerne, Texas and starts at 4 pm 
and runs through noon on Sunday, October 2. Cost of admission is $60 and 
includes breakfast on Saturday and Sunday, dinner on Saturday night. A T shirt, 
book, and camping. On line registration is required and can be accessed from 
the workshop web page at http://caves.org/grotto/bexargrotto/HydroGeo/ 
Attendance is limited to 320 participants. Dr. Maureen Muldoon from the 
University of Wisconsin - Oshkosh will be the keynote speaker in the cave on 
Saturday night.

Some of the modules scheduled for the workshop include:

Field Safety,   
Hydrogeology/Well Monitoring
FLIR Infrered Camera
 Multiport Monitoring Well Equipment
Field Instruments   
  Eureka Manta2 Water Quality Sondes
Developing Scientific and Field Notebooks   
 Rainwater Harvesting and Design
Data Presentation   
Karst Feature Evaluation
Career Development  
Cave Geology
Environmental and Geotechnical Drilling 
   Stalagmites and Paleoclimate archives
Surface Geophysics  
   Structure and Stratigraphy
High Resolution 3D Resistivity Imaging  
  Introduction to Karst Invertebrates of Texas
Groundwater Investigation Methods   
   Karst Invertebrate Habitat Assessments
Stream Gauging  
  Aquatic Subterranean Crustaceans
Surface Water Sampling  
  Pleistocene Vertebrates Fossils
Water Level Measurements
Caves and Cave Safety
Potentiometric Surface Mapping  
 Cave Mapping
Caving Trip 
 Tracer Testing in Karst
Invertebrate fossils of the Glen Rose Limestone

The workshop will also be an excellent place to meet new friends, discuss 
research efforts, development new skills, and obtain career advice.

Please feel free to distribute this email to folks you think are interested in 
the event.

Sincerely,

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] White-Nose Syndrome in PNW scientific article

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Diana,

Very well said, I was thinking of replying also but you hit the nail on the 
head. Most research these days are a collaboration between many scientists and 
laboratories. I think the best example I've seen is some of the Super Collider 
work that might have 150 authors for a paper. 

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org  

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Cave Tex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] White-Nose Syndrome in PNW scientific article

Let me clarify what constitutes authorship on a scientific article.

It does not necessarily mean that a person wrote one of the paragraphs. In 
fact, in the future we may have artificial intelligence to thank for writing 
much of the routine text in our articles and technical manuals.

It DOES mean that an author is a person that is responsible for one or more of 
the following:

Coming up with the original idea (i.e., the hypothesis) for the experiment 
Collecting data Analyzing data Presenting data (in graphical, written or other 
forms such as videos, etc.) Supervising the people that collect, analyze and 
present the data Drawing important conclusions from the data and testing new 
hypotheses that result from this all-important step Writing the text of the 
final document

You want and NEED all of these people to be listed as authors—as they are the 
ones that are legitimately responsible for the final published work. If there 
are any questions about what is presented in the work, everyone knows who is 
responsible.

We call this transparency, which unfortunately is lacking in other important 
human endeavors.

Diana

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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern 
Medical Center
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Rm. ND10.214A
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> Wow! Fourteen alleged authors for an article with eight paragraphs. 
> How many of those people do you think were really authors, i.e., 
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Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Daniel,

I think we can fit you in. Let me know on Friday if you can go our not and I’ll 
send out directions.

THANKS,

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Caver via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:13 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

I guess Wednesday, today, is the last day to let you know. I won't know until 
Friday. Maybe a next time.

Daniel Ramirez
dramire...@ymail.com<mailto:dramire...@ymail.com>

On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Folks,

We have a few more spaces left.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:50 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

Geary

If there is room I'd like to go

Kurt

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Folks,

The Bexar Grotto has a monthly dig project at the LaChance Sinkhole on Sunday, 
August 28 at 9 am. Location is near New Braunfels off of Rt 306, west. There is 
a limit to the number of folks the property and sinkholes can handle so I need 
a head county. We’re going to limit the number of folks attending to about 20. 
I need to have a head count on who is going since the grotto has donated some 
funds to cover a lunch/picnic after the dig. The LaChance’s want to know so 
they can also plan. There will be digging and some socializing going on. (Yes, 
some of my caver friends need to be socialized).

We’re looking for strong back - weak mind types but I also have some positions 
open for folks that would like to try their hand at management – maybe Rob and 
Jess will bring their Cat O Nine Tails as a motivator.

We’ll also have swimming in the Guadalupe River nearby after the event..

Here is what you need to know. – Please read carefully.

There are four sinkholes on the property. Two digs are in caves and two are 
surface digs.

This is a good opportunity to help them with improving the drainage of their 
property as the sinkholes now back up and flood their house during heavy rains. 
These are some of the larger sinkholes in the area and drain more than a square 
mile. There is lots of potential there.

Depth to groundwater is approximately 250 feet so we have a ways to go to reach 
the water table. The location most likely drains to San Marcos Springs so there 
is a lot of potential.  The sinkholes were taking water this Sunday so they may 
be a bit muddy.

We’ll start digging around 9 am and knock off around 1 pm for a picnic. The 
grotto has donated some funds for burger and sausage. Please consider bringing 
a dish.

After eating, we’ll head over to the river to clean up some and go swimming. 
They have access to a private beach along the river.

Bring helmet, light, boots, gloves, drinks, short shovel, spud bar, 5 gallon 
buckets, rock shaving equipment, etc. if you have it.

I need to know on Wednesday whether you want to go. There is also a limit to 
the size of the group. When you let me know if you’re going, I’ll send you the 
address.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Great

See you then

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE


 Original message 
From: "Hill, Leia L. via Texascavers"
Date:08/24/2016 11:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

Hi, Geary, I told you on Monday night that I was going, but I'm confirming yes 
for Sunday! Count me in, sir!

Thank you,

Leia

Leia L. Hill
(830) 660-5884
llh...@student.uiwtx.edu<mailto:llh...@student.uiwtx.edu>

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

Folks,

We have a few more spaces left.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:50 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

Geary

If there is room I'd like to go

Kurt

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Folks,

The Bexar Grotto has a monthly dig project at the LaChance Sinkhole on Sunday, 
August 28 at 9 am. Location is near New Braunfels off of Rt 306, west. There is 
a limit to the number of folks the property and sinkholes can handle so I need 
a head county. We’re going to limit the number of folks attending to about 20. 
I need to have a head count on who is going since the grotto has donated some 
funds to cover a lunch/picnic after the dig. The LaChance’s want to know so 
they can also plan. There will be digging and some socializing going on. (Yes, 
some of my caver friends need to be socialized).

We’re looking for strong back - weak mind types but I also have some positions 
open for folks that would like to try their hand at management – maybe Rob and 
Jess will bring their Cat O Nine Tails as a motivator.

We’ll also have swimming in the Guadalupe River nearby after the event..

Here is what you need to know. – Please read carefully.

There are four sinkholes on the property. Two digs are in caves and two are 
surface digs.

This is a good opportunity to help them with improving the drainage of their 
property as the sinkholes now back up and flood their house during heavy rains. 
These are some of the larger sinkholes in the area and drain more than a square 
mile. There is lots of potential there.

Depth to groundwater is approximately 250 feet so we have a ways to go to reach 
the water table. The location most likely drains to San Marcos Springs so there 
is a lot of potential.  The sinkholes were taking water this Sunday so they may 
be a bit muddy.

We’ll start digging around 9 am and knock off around 1 pm for a picnic. The 
grotto has donated some funds for burger and sausage. Please consider bringing 
a dish.

After eating, we’ll head over to the river to clean up some and go swimming. 
They have access to a private beach along the river.

Bring helmet, light, boots, gloves, drinks, short shovel, spud bar, 5 gallon 
buckets, rock shaving equipment, etc. if you have it.

I need to know on Wednesday whether you want to go. There is also a limit to 
the size of the group. When you let me know if you’re going, I’ll send you the 
address.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

We have a few more spaces left.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:50 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

Geary

If there is room I'd like to go

Kurt

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Folks,

The Bexar Grotto has a monthly dig project at the LaChance Sinkhole on Sunday, 
August 28 at 9 am. Location is near New Braunfels off of Rt 306, west. There is 
a limit to the number of folks the property and sinkholes can handle so I need 
a head county. We're going to limit the number of folks attending to about 20. 
I need to have a head count on who is going since the grotto has donated some 
funds to cover a lunch/picnic after the dig. The LaChance's want to know so 
they can also plan. There will be digging and some socializing going on. (Yes, 
some of my caver friends need to be socialized).

We're looking for strong back - weak mind types but I also have some positions 
open for folks that would like to try their hand at management - maybe Rob and 
Jess will bring their Cat O Nine Tails as a motivator.

We'll also have swimming in the Guadalupe River nearby after the event..

Here is what you need to know. - Please read carefully.

There are four sinkholes on the property. Two digs are in caves and two are 
surface digs.

This is a good opportunity to help them with improving the drainage of their 
property as the sinkholes now back up and flood their house during heavy rains. 
These are some of the larger sinkholes in the area and drain more than a square 
mile. There is lots of potential there.

Depth to groundwater is approximately 250 feet so we have a ways to go to reach 
the water table. The location most likely drains to San Marcos Springs so there 
is a lot of potential.  The sinkholes were taking water this Sunday so they may 
be a bit muddy.

We'll start digging around 9 am and knock off around 1 pm for a picnic. The 
grotto has donated some funds for burger and sausage. Please consider bringing 
a dish.

After eating, we'll head over to the river to clean up some and go swimming. 
They have access to a private beach along the river.

Bring helmet, light, boots, gloves, drinks, short shovel, spud bar, 5 gallon 
buckets, rock shaving equipment, etc. if you have it.

I need to know on Wednesday whether you want to go. There is also a limit to 
the size of the group. When you let me know if you're going, I'll send you the 
address.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
210.326.1576
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[Texascavers] LaChance Sinkhole Dig on Sunday, August 28 at 9 am

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Folks,

The Bexar Grotto has a monthly dig project at the LaChance Sinkhole on Sunday, 
August 28 at 9 am. Location is near New Braunfels off of Rt 306, west. There is 
a limit to the number of folks the property and sinkholes can handle so I need 
a head county. We’re going to limit the number of folks attending to about 20. 
I need to have a head count on who is going since the grotto has donated some 
funds to cover a lunch/picnic after the dig. The LaChance’s want to know so 
they can also plan. There will be digging and some socializing going on. (Yes, 
some of my caver friends need to be socialized).

We’re looking for strong back - weak mind types but I also have some positions 
open for folks that would like to try their hand at management – maybe Rob and 
Jess will bring their Cat O Nine Tails as a motivator.

We’ll also have swimming in the Guadalupe River nearby after the event..

Here is what you need to know. – Please read carefully.

There are four sinkholes on the property. Two digs are in caves and two are 
surface digs.

This is a good opportunity to help them with improving the drainage of their 
property as the sinkholes now back up and flood their house during heavy rains. 
These are some of the larger sinkholes in the area and drain more than a square 
mile. There is lots of potential there.

Depth to groundwater is approximately 250 feet so we have a ways to go to reach 
the water table. The location most likely drains to San Marcos Springs so there 
is a lot of potential.  The sinkholes were taking water this Sunday so they may 
be a bit muddy.

We’ll start digging around 9 am and knock off around 1 pm for a picnic. The 
grotto has donated some funds for burger and sausage. Please consider bringing 
a dish.

After eating, we’ll head over to the river to clean up some and go swimming. 
They have access to a private beach along the river.

Bring helmet, light, boots, gloves, drinks, short shovel, spud bar, 5 gallon 
buckets, rock shaving equipment, etc. if you have it.

I need to know on Wednesday whether you want to go. There is also a limit to 
the size of the group. When you let me know if you’re going, I’ll send you the 
address.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] Bloodsuckers! Chagas

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

http://kissingbug.tamu.edu/Team/

I know that Chagas has been discussed on the Texas Cavers Forum in the past. 
Thought you all might like to see this web page from the TA Agriculture and 
Live Sciences program.

Geary Schindel

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Apparently there are two Peter Stricklands in the vicinity of Austin. For your 
reading pleasure:

https://www.statnews.com/2016/08/10/chagas-disease-kissing-bugs-hunt/
SW
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[Texascavers] Brown Bag talk by Rod Towers on Pleistocene Vertebrates on Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 11:44 am at EAA

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Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Wednesday, August 10 2016 at 11:55 AM.

Pleistocene Vertebrates

By Rod Towers
Defense Mapping Agency/NGA ret.


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Rod Towers will make a presentation on Pleistocene Vertebrate fossils on 
Wednesday, August 10 at 11:55 AM. The presentation will be held in the Training 
Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, 
Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring your 
lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
Mr. Rod Towers will discuss Pleistocene Vertebrate fossils from around the 
United States with examples from Texas, California, and other locations. Mr. 
Towers will bring part of his collection for discussion and observations.

Biography
Mr. Towers has a BS in Geology from Texas A University in Kingsville and a BA 
in Biology from Texas Lutheran College. He is retired from the Defense mapping 
Agency/NGA and lives in San Antonio, Texas.


Thank you.

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[Texascavers] Ron Rutherford

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Ron,

Can you contact me off list

Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation, Friday, August 5 at 11:55 am at EAA.. Dr. Dan Lehrmann will present on Permian-Triassic Marine Carbonate Platforms and Karst Features of the Nanpanjiang Basin

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

Here is an announcement on a presentation by Dr. Lehrmann.

Thought you might like to see this.

Geary



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Friday, August 5, 2016 at 11:55 AM.

Permian-Triassic Marine Carbonate Platforms and Karst Features of the 
Nanpanjiang Basin, Guizhou, Guangxi and Yunnan, South China

By Dan Lehrmann, Ph.D.

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Dr. Dan Lehrmann will make a presentation titled: Permian-Triassic Marine 
Carbonate Platforms and Karst Features of the Nanpanjiang Basin, Guizhou, 
Guangxi, and Yunnan, South China." Friday, Agusut 5, 2016 at 11:55 AM. The 
presentation will be held in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Abstract
Unique exposures in the karst terrain of a large carbonate shelf borders the 
basin and several isolated carbonate platforms within the basin contain a 
history of more than 20 million years, with over 3 km of thickness. The basin 
experienced active tectonics, the greatest mass extinction of the Phanerozoic 
and major changes in climate and ocean chemistry. The area is therefore a 
natural laboratory for investigating the mechanisms controlling carbonate 
platform evolution and architecture.  Spectacular karst features are evident 
from the macro to micro scale and include: conical towers, tower karst 
plateaus, karst valleys and sinkholes, deep gorges, underground rivers, 
spectacular caves, and rock forests.  Karst forms are especially dramatic at 
carbonate platform margins where there are rapid changes in facies from densely 
cemented platform limestone to deep-marine non-carbonate lithologies.
Biography
Dan Lehrmann is the Pyron Professor of Geoscience at Trinity University. He is 
originally from Wisconsin where he taught at the University of 
Wisconsin-Oshkosh. He specializes in carbonate sedimentology and paleontology. 
He has conducted geological research in south China for 25 years.
 Thank you.
Geary


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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

David,

I’m willing to pledge $20 to help with your travel expenses to have you attend 
the Howdy Party at the NSS Convention. I’ll also buy you a beer at the party 
(food and beer are part of registration for the event). I figure it is worth 
the money to read you posts related to your travel to Nevada. You know that 
gambling and prostitution are legal in Nevada.

Maybe we should treat this like a Texas Caver crowd source funding and if other 
chipped in some bucks, we might be able to help with a significant cost for 
your trip. Some folks may be interested in chipping in just to get you out of 
Texas for a while  LOL.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 11:25 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??


There is a 4 % chance I am leaving Houston tonight ( Friday ) and driving to 
Vegas in my new 2008 Sequoia SUV.

I am tentatively offering a one-way ride to Vegas as I pass thru Austin or San 
Antonio.   I have room for 3 people.

Waiting on my jerk customers to pay me, before I can commit.

Not planning on making it to Ely unless stars suddenly line up in a divine 
miraculous way, meaning 3 supernovas would have to suddenly appear forming a 
perfect Equilateral Triangle bright above the western horizon.

David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

David,

I’ll expect to see you at the howdy party on Monday night and will buy you a 
beer.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 11:25 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??


There is a 4 % chance I am leaving Houston tonight ( Friday ) and driving to 
Vegas in my new 2008 Sequoia SUV.

I am tentatively offering a one-way ride to Vegas as I pass thru Austin or San 
Antonio.   I have room for 3 people.

Waiting on my jerk customers to pay me, before I can commit.

Not planning on making it to Ely unless stars suddenly line up in a divine 
miraculous way, meaning 3 supernovas would have to suddenly appear forming a 
perfect Equilateral Triangle bright above the western horizon.

David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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[Texascavers] CNN article about Life on Mar discussing water and life underground

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Thought you all might like to see this articles as it discusses possible life 
on Mars, something that Penny Boston has discussed on many occasions.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/health/water-life-mars-rsl/index.html

I first heard about the possibility of life on Mars, and why, from a 
presentation made by Dr. Calvin Alexander when he was the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority's Distinguished Lecturer in 2007. He discusses similarities between 
the water chemistry of some of our deep brines and thoughts on water chemistry 
on Mars. You can see his talk which he did as part of the NSS Webinar Series on 
the NSS Web Page at http://caves.org/webinars/index.shtml
Dr. Boston also had an excellent webinar titled Caves Across the Solar system 
which can be found at the link on the NSS Web page at 
www.caves.org or the link above.

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[Texascavers] Dr. Maureen Muldoon is the next EAA Distingished lecturer on Friday, September 30, 2016.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

I'm pleased to announce that Dr. Maureen Muldoon, Professor at the University 
of Wisconsin, Oshkosh, will be our next Distinguished Lecturer on Friday, 
September 30, 2016. The lecture will begin at 9 am and run to 4 pm on the 
campus of Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas. Please see the 
attached flyer announcing the lecture.

Dr. Muldoon's lecture theme is Fractures - they Mess up your Flow System (and 
They Are Everywhere).

She will include an introduction to fractured rock aquifers, using geology to 
understand fracture formation, field characterization of fractured rock 
aquifers, fractures and fecal matter - enteric pathogens in groundwater 
systems, conflict and solutions in America's dairyland: how do we protect a 
vulnerable aquifer, and teaching hydrogeology in the field.

You may register for the event at http://maureenmuldoon2016.eventzilla.net. The 
lecture starts at 9 am and runs until about 4 pm. Cost of the lecture is $25 
which includes snacks, drinks, and lunch. The event sells out quickly so if you 
would like to go, sign up early. The original announcement was sent out 
yesterday and almost half the seats are now taken. More information on the 
event can also be obtained from the Edwards Aquifer Authority web page at 
www.edwardsaquifer.org in a few days or you can 
email me directly at 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org  and I'll be 
happy to send you a copy of the flyer.

If you have questions regarding registration, please contact Rachel Mitchell at 
rmitch...@edwardsaquifer.org.

Thank you,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Thought I would reply to the Sleeze's post which I generally find some of the 
best written stuff in my email box. I wish he would put together a collective 
works of the Sleezeweasel and publish it somewhere. I would buy a couple of 
copies.

However, I did want to point out something related to deleting the replies to 
the replies from previous posts. Considering that I get a ton of emails every 
day from a huge assortment of folks and receive the Texas Caves as individual 
posts and not the daily digest, I actually appreciate having the original email 
thread at the bottom of the post as it allows me to place the responder's 
comments in context - sort of like a complete reference. I don't know how many 
emails I get from folks that have deleted the original post they are replying 
to and you can't make any sense of the post without reading the entire thread. 
By that time, I've usually deleted the original post so don't have a clue what 
they are talking about or can't find it.

So, some of us like the snot at the bottom of the article (included below on 
purpose).

Respectfully submitted.

Geary
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via 
Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:05 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

The caving community, like many other special interest groups, is largely 
composed of humorless fools who take their absurd pursuits seriously. Let me 
remind you again that we are talking about crawling into holes in the ground, 
something that most rational persons would consider to be insane.

As Stefan has pointed out, more verbiage has been wasted on complaints than on 
the original offending off topic comments by one of our more colorful albeit 
crackpot commentators.

A far greater problem is those who find some particular posting to be 
irrelevant and complain about the time required to read it who then proceed so 
simply "Reply" to the list without editing out the replies to the replies to 
the replies.

It has been repeatedly suggested that those who do not wish to read a post 
simply delete it. I would go further and request that before responding you 
delete all the truly irrelevant repetitive information that dangles from the 
end of your post like a snottite. Please note that in this reply I have quoted 
nothing other than the title of the offending post.

I personally think that Charles has done a great job of moderating this forum, 
he is even more moderate than Obama! I would request of him that he remove from 
this list any and all persons who repeatedly reply to this list without 
truncating the appended gibberish including all those who include some 
signature drivel at the end such as a quote from some famous person or a 
statement of their personal beliefs.

As to those who voluntarily leave the list because of a lack of time or some 
imagined insult good riddance! You've got plenty of time otherwise you wouldn't 
have time to talk about crawling into holes in the ground.

In other words, always cut out the crap, never fail to sign your posts, and 
never append any unnecessary nonsense after your name. Like this.

Sleazeweazel

In a message dated 7/9/2016 12:00:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
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[Texascavers] Bracken Bat Cave Spider makes Ripley's Believe it or not in the San Antonio paper July 4

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

The Monday, July 4, 2016 San Antonio Express News, Comic Section under

Ripley's Believe it or Not!

OK, Hold it.

In 2012, the rare Braken Bat Cave Meshweaver Spider was discovered during road 
work in San Antonio, Texas -
Halting construction for two years while scientists worked to relocate the tiny 
arachnids!

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] finding Proteus

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Bill,

I'm not sure this is quite correct. I saw two of them in the wild in my short 
time in caves in Slovenia and I was told, by scientists, and I was shown sites 
where they had been collected from wells, caves, and springs in Herzegovina.

Geary



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Mixon Bill via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:03 PM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: [Texascavers] finding Proteus

The blind cave salamander Proteus anguinus lives in underground waters in 
Slovenia. It is perhaps the earliest-known cave animal, and one of the largest, 
growing to a foot long. They are shy, and there have been only about 300 
sightings in the wild in 300 years. Lab-raised specimens can live more than a 
century, but they don't become sexually mature until age 14 and can reproduce 
only once every seven years. They can go for years without eating.

A news note in at the web site of Science magazine reports that their presence 
in various caves has been detected by finding their DNA in spring water. 
Evidence for their presence in Herzegovina and Montenegro, as well as Slovenia, 
has been found that way. There is a black version that DNA evidence suggests 
might be a separate species.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/crime-solving-technique-maps-underground-lair-slovenian-dragon
or
http://scim.ag/dragonDNA

-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Dig trip on Saturday, July 2 - more information

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Yes, it might be a little over hyped.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Boyd via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:39 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Dig trip on Saturday, July 2 - more 
information


On Jun 30, 2016 9:23 AM, "Geary Schindel via Texascavers" 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

> There are reports the cave may extend under the Red River or may be the 
> remains of an escape tunnel from the Alamo.
>
Wow - a cave in Texas that starts in New Braunfels and may extend all the way 
to the Red River, which is on the Texas/Oklahoma border! If true, that would 
set a new record for longest cave!

Scott D. Boyd
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[Texascavers] LaChance Dig trip on Saturday, July 2 - more information

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

We've had a very good response to the request for diggers at the LaChance 
Sinkhole in New Braunfels this Saturday, July 2. I have approximately 20 people 
sign up now and we can probably accommodate a few more folks. We'll start the 
dig around 9 am and will knock off when we get tired, too hot, or the bugs 
drive us crazy.

I talked to the owners yesterday and they've said they had some large rains 
about a month ago and that the sinkholes were taking a huge amount of water and 
that some of the debris has been moved and rearranged in the cave. This is an 
excellent opportunity to assist the community and landowner to help mitigate 
the flooding issues and is in keeping with the spirt of the Fourth of July and 
the sacrifices made at the Alamo for Texas independence. So, it is your 
patriotic duty to come help with the dig.

In addition, they have found a new sinkhole on their property that they would 
like us to look at. The land surface is 250 feet above the water table and this 
has great potential to open up into the next big Texas Cave. There are reports 
the cave may extend under the Red River or may be the remains of an escape 
tunnel from the Alamo. The LaChance sinkhole which is our prime focus for 
Saturday takes most of the water from the neighborhood and the cave has had as 
much as 10 feet of water swirling in the sinkhole and flooded their house. This 
is an impressive feature for the Texas Hill Country and has great potential.

We've worked out a deal with the landowner in the event that we find Jim 
Bowie's buried silver or any other artifacts of value: Landowner 50%, digging 
crew 25%, Dig organizer 25%. (best to work these things out in advance as you 
never know).

We have a few more slots open for the dig so if you would like to go, please 
let me know.  You must be of able body and sound mind (we'll let the sound mind 
criteria slide a little). We may have a need for some expertise in rock 
shaving.  There are actually three or four caves/sinkholes in the area that we 
can also look at.

People that have signed up are members of the following Groups.

Bexar Grotto

UT Grotto (Underground Texas).

P PORG CIG (Poteet Persons of Restrictive Growth Caving Interest Group. They 
are part of the national PORG movement)

Bexar County Contortionists, Inc.  (Kindly referred to as the pretzel club)

ICE (independent Cavers of the East).

San Antonio Chapter of Jim Bowie's buried treasurer club (JBBTC - SA, Inc.)

National Speleological Society

Armadillo Cavers

As an added bonus, I've talked with Speed Caver and Caver X and they have said 
that anyone that participates in the dig is eligible to be sworn in as a member 
of the Armadillo Cavers as long as they are willing to uphold the values of the 
organization (to be discussed at the dig. Also, the onetime payment for 
lifetime membership has also been waived).

We will also have motivational readings from the book "Trapped" during the dig.

So, bring caving gear, lunch, water, lawn chair, change of clothes, swimsuit, 
(bring your own towel if you've got a communicable skin disease), gloves, 
sturdy shoes, etc.  We will go down to the river at the neighborhood 
association's private access after the dig to swim and clean up.

We'll go eat BBQ at Coopers afterwards.

Buckets, digging tools, eye protection, a wheelbarrow, and rock breaking 
equipment is a plus but warm bodies are what's required to make this dig work.

Dig starts around 9 am in New Braunfels. You can meet at my house at 8:30 am if 
you want to caravan or car pool with someone.

Please let me know if you're interested in going and I can give you the 
location information for the dig or my house.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] Information

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Daniel,

Send me your email address and I'll PM you with some contacts.

Geary Schindel
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To all
I didn't think of it before I came but I'm in California. I tried to contact a 
person via email from a grotto in Fresno. But haven't heard anything back and 
it's been about 4 days. I would like to do a little caving while I'm here. Will 
be here for another week and a half. Do any of you know of a contact person 
around the Fresno area that is a caver? Preferably driving distance. Or even a 
list of great hiking day trips. 
Any help is appreciated. 
Thanks

Daniel Ramirez
(Formerly DFW grotto)

P.S. 
I should attend one of the Bexar grotto meetings at some point since that's the 
closest one to where I live now. 3-4 hr drive. 
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Re: [Texascavers] Saturday Cave Dig in New Braunfels (July 2)

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Too bad, this is the weekend we find the big walking cave. LOL.

Will you be at the THGW meeting tomorrow?

Thanks,

Geary

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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:54 AM
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So excited that they have not had issues since we were last there. Sounds 
incredible and I am so sorry I will miss this. :(

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Folks,

We have been contacted by the Lachance's and have arranged another trip to the 
Lachance Cave dig located in New Braunfels, Texas. The cave is also known as 
Bob Cowell's Hole as he dug in the cave a lot in the 80's.

We'll leave San Antonio at 8:30 am on Saturday, July 2 for a day of fun in the 
cave. We'll knock off when it gets too hot for those on the surface and find a 
place to hop in the Guadalupe River. We can meet at 9 am at the cave.

If folks are interested, we can eat in the afternoon/evening at Cooper's 
Barbeque. If it gets hot early, we can always go tubing in Comal Springs or 
Guadalupe River.

What to bring. Helmet, light, gloves, kneepads, change of clothes, and any 5 
gallon buckets and digging tools you may have.

Lawn Chair, lunch, drinks.

If you have vertical gear, you might want to bring it in case we get lucky.

The cave is a 20 foot hands and knees crawl to a 10 foot down climb followed by 
a 15 foot down climb to a horizontal dig.

This cave takes a large volume of water and will actually flood the nearby home 
during heavy rains. The owners have said that the cave appears to have opened 
up since the last large rain.

Who knows, the cave may now be washed open. The owners have installed a ladder 
to make access to the 15 foot drop easier.

The cave drains a fairly large area and is located north and west of Comal 
Springs on the north side of the Guadalupe River. We estimate the depth to the 
water table is 250 feet with water entering the cave discharging at San Marcos 
Springs, 20 miles to the north.

This area has excellent potential for a very large cave.

So, please email me for additional information if you would like to go.

Geary Schindel
210.326.1576 cell


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[Texascavers] Saturday Cave Dig in New Braunfels (July 2)

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

We have been contacted by the Lachance's and have arranged another trip to the 
Lachance Cave dig located in New Braunfels, Texas. The cave is also known as 
Bob Cowell's Hole as he dug in the cave a lot in the 80's.

We'll leave San Antonio at 8:30 am on Saturday, July 2 for a day of fun in the 
cave. We'll knock off when it gets too hot for those on the surface and find a 
place to hop in the Guadalupe River. We can meet at 9 am at the cave.

If folks are interested, we can eat in the afternoon/evening at Cooper's 
Barbeque. If it gets hot early, we can always go tubing in Comal Springs or 
Guadalupe River.

What to bring. Helmet, light, gloves, kneepads, change of clothes, and any 5 
gallon buckets and digging tools you may have.

Lawn Chair, lunch, drinks.

If you have vertical gear, you might want to bring it in case we get lucky.

The cave is a 20 foot hands and knees crawl to a 10 foot down climb followed by 
a 15 foot down climb to a horizontal dig.

This cave takes a large volume of water and will actually flood the nearby home 
during heavy rains. The owners have said that the cave appears to have opened 
up since the last large rain.

Who knows, the cave may now be washed open. The owners have installed a ladder 
to make access to the 15 foot drop easier.

The cave drains a fairly large area and is located north and west of Comal 
Springs on the north side of the Guadalupe River. We estimate the depth to the 
water table is 250 feet with water entering the cave discharging at San Marcos 
Springs, 20 miles to the north.

This area has excellent potential for a very large cave.

So, please email me for additional information if you would like to go.

Geary Schindel
210.326.1576 cell

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[Texascavers] comments

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

I've been indisposed for a few weeks but have caught up with some emails.

Glad to see that David is back posting on Texascaver. It's been a long dry 
spell and I enjoy his commentary.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

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Re: [Texascavers] Airman's River Video

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Great videos. Thanks for sharing.

Geary

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Justin Shaw via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:25 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Airman's River Video

Greetings,

As most of you know, much of Airman's Cave is once again functioning as an 
active phreatic conduit. This last occurred in 1992, which I presume is still 
the record high for the Barton Springs Segment of the EdwardsAquifer.

Yesterday Galen Falgout and myself ventured into the aquifer to sample the 
water, and we shot a few short video clips in the first section of the cave 
that isn't sumped. They have been posted at these non-public links for viewing 
by the local caving community:

Airman's River
https://youtu.be/cl_5feblyHo

Airman's Cave with Water
https://youtu.be/w8IT11p-8PQ

Crawling down Airman's River
https://youtu.be/7UHpX8dTZ_0







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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation by Reece Thompson on Stable Carbon Isotope Analysis in a South Texas Cave: Investigating Sources of CO2 Production on Thursday, May 19 at 11:55 am.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Reminder and FYI,

Hope you can join us.

Geary



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society –

aka brown bag luncheon


Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM.

Stable Carbon Isotope Analysis in a South Texas Cave:
Investigating Sources of CO2 Production

By Reece Thompson


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Reece Thompson will make a presentation titled: Stable Carbon Isotope 
Analysis in a South Texas Cave: Investigating Sources of CO2 Production on 
Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM. The presentation will be held in the 
Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San 
Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring 
your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Description
A multi-seasonal study of Robber Baron Cave was conducted in order to identify 
sources of 'bad air' using stable carbon isotope analysis. During the course of 
this study, seasonal and diurnal patterns of cave respiration were identified 
in addition to several endmember producers of CO2.

Biography
Reece Thompson graduated from Texas A with a BS in Geology, and recently 
graduated from UTSA with a MS in Geology. He is a member of the Bexar Grotto of 
the NSS. He is currently living in Houston, Texas, pursuing job opportunities.

Thank you.

Geary


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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation by Reece Thompson on Stable Carbon Isotope Analysis in a South Texas Cave: Investigating Sources of CO2 Production on Thursday, May 19 at 11:55 am.

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM.

Stable Carbon Isotope Analysis in a South Texas Cave:
Investigating Sources of CO2 Production

By Reece Thompson


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Reece Thompson will make a presentation titled: Stable Carbon Isotope 
Analysis in a South Texas Cave: Investigating Sources of CO2 Production on 
Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM. The presentation will be held in the 
Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San 
Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring 
your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Description
A multi-seasonal study of Robber Baron Cave was conducted in order to identify 
sources of 'bad air' using stable carbon isotope analysis. During the course of 
this study, seasonal and diurnal patterns of cave respiration were identified 
in addition to several endmember producers of CO2.

Biography
Reece Thompson graduated from Texas A with a BS in Geology, and recently 
graduated from UTSA with a MS in Geology. He is a member of the Bexar Grotto of 
the NSS. He is currently living in Houston, Texas, pursuing job opportunities.

Thank you.

Geary


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[Texascavers] Texas HydroGeo 2016 registration is up!

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

FYI,

The third annual Texas HydroGeo Workshop is ready to accept registrations!

Email me directly at 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org if you would 
like a flyer.

Registration is:


http://texashydrogeo2016.eventzilla.net/

we’ll have more information on the web page soon but it is expected to be even 
bigger and better. Thanks to Bennett Lee for getting registration up and 
running.

Spread the word!

P.S.—Credit card payments are currently processed through PayPal, but I will be 
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[Texascavers] Join Us for Karst Mapping in the United States: Past, Present, and Future, also using LIDAR

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

This presentation starts in about 20 minutes.

Dan is an excellent presenter and it’s a great topic.

Geary

From: D. Spoons [mailto:ddspo...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 7:40 PM
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Subject: Fw: Join Us for Karst Mapping in the United States: Past, Present, and 
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Karst Mapping in the United States: Past, Present, and Future, Presenter: Dan 
Doctor
Join us for a webinar on May 04, 2016 at 8:00 PM CDT, which is 9PM EDT/7PM MDT/ 
6PM PDT please  check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/2879853324166564867
This webinar describes the history of mapping karst at the national scale in 
the United States by the U.S. Geological Survey, beginning with the maps 
compiled in the 1960s, to the digital compilation published in 2014. Different 
approaches to mapping karst regions will be highlighted, as focus shifted from 
compilation of information solely on caves to information on karst landscapes 
as a whole. Modern approaches for mapping karst geomorphology will also be 
discussed, with emphasis on high-resolution surface topographic mapping through 
LIDAR."

Dan Doctor (NSS 44638) is a research geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey 
specializing in karst. His research interests include the hydrology and 
geochemistry of karst aquifers, assessment of sinkhole hazards, evolution of 
Appalachian karst landscapes, and paleoclimate records from karst areas. Dan is 
a fellow of the Cave Research Foundation, and serves on the Virginia Cave Board 
and on the board of the Karst Waters Institute (KWI).
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[Texascavers] VOLUNTEERS needed for NSS Ely Convention.

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Passing this along.

Geary

Call for volunteers for the 2016 Ely convention!
NSS conventions rely on our dedicated volunteers to help produce the event. If 
you are interested in becoming part of our team, please let us know. We'd love 
to welcome you to Nevada!
Here are just a few categories where we need help:...
-- Banquet (set up and take down, drinks & food).
-- Security & Medical
-- Campground Operations
-- Registration
-- Marketing coordinators
-- Field trip assistants
-- Howdy Party (set up and take down, drinks & food)
-- Salon & Session assistants
-- Garbage pickup
-- Stage hands for entertainment
-- Videographers (to video major sessions)
-- Take down at end of convention, etc.
Please email Debbie Spoons at: 
xploreca...@yahoo.com if you can help. Let her 
know where you would like to help and what days you are available.
Thank you! We look forward to seeing you in Ely!
NSS 75th Anniversary Convention
July 16-23, 2016 ~ Ely, Nevada
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Re: [Texascavers] Best padlocks for cave gates

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Jim,

Considering the availability of high torque battery operated tools these days, 
are you seeing cave gates breached more often or is this a mouse trap issue of 
the available tools are better so the gates must get better also.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
Kennedy via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:18 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Best padlocks for cave gates

Travis,

Having been involved with dozens (maybe hundreds) of cave gates around the 
country, I recommend brass Best locks. And stay away from any rubberized locks, 
they aren't any better and usually cost more. Lubricate with powdered graphite 
only, no oil or WD40 or such. And change out the locks periodically, especially 
in wet, muddy, or dusty situations.

Despite what what Mixon espouses, cave resources are definitely worth 
protecting, and arguably more valuable than my house and possessions. Those can 
be replaced. That's why the old NSS "Cave Gating" book and it's "weak link" 
philosophy of gating are obsolete. For a more up-to-date approach, check out 
the cave gate chapter in NSS' "Cave Conservation and Restoration" book. All 
this, of course, assumes a well-designed and constructed gate. A poor gate can 
have entirely the opposite effect, and cause more problems than it solves.

All it takes is one jerk to ruin things forever. The Butterfly at Caverns of 
Sonora is a prime example.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Travis Scott via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Folks,

I have recently been struggling with the padlocks on cave gates that have 
become corroded and basically unusable.  Even brand new padlocks that were 
placed on the gate and left for a few years are becoming unusable.  These gates 
are designed with an arm hole which allows you to reach the padlock hanging on 
the inside of a solid gate. Once the padlock is removed, a lever is moved and 
the gate opens. The problem is that the padlocks sit in the wet warm 
environment (sometimes years at a time) collecting dust, dirt and corrosion as 
air moves past due to the cave breathing. Several locks have recently taken 
over an hour to open whilst in the most uncomfortable positions, meanwhile with 
the fear that the key might break off in the lock or the lock will never open, 
etc..

I am wondering if anyone has had the experience or research to whittle down the 
best types of locks that can handle this environment and still continue to 
function properly. I have researched corrosion aspects of different tumblers 
(no real conclusion on which is best). Other cavers have told me that the locks 
with the rubber housing around the entire lock, including the key hole, are no 
better than a normal Masterlock for example. We have tried both the most 
expensive locks and the cheaper ones, but none seem to hold up.

Does anyone have any experience with this or have any light they can shed?

Thank you so very much!!!


Travis Scott
tra...@oztotl.com
979.450.0103 (cell)
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention news

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Jim,

Do you have an open spot for a talk at the TSA spring meet.

I may have a presentation on hydrogeology of the Edwards Plateau.

Thanks,

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Crash Kennedy via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 10:55 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention news

The Auction for spots on the Devils Sinkhole trip is really heating up.  Bid 
now for a change on one of only 15 spaces!  
http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2016/devils_sinkhole_auction.php
We still have a couple of slots left in our presentation schedule.  If you have 
a talk on the Edwards Plateau that you would like to present, please contact me 
offlist.
We also have spaces available for vendors and exhibitors.  So far we have the 
TSS, TSA, TCMA, AMCS, TPWD, Devils Sinkhole Society, Caverns of Sonora, and 
2016 NSS Convention signed up.  If anyone else would like to set up, please let 
me know.
And we are still looking for a volunteer to stop by Shiner and pick up the two 
donated kegs and assorted Shiner swag for the auction.  Anyone?  It's free 
beer, people!
Don't forget to register online before the early registration closes.  You will 
save big bucks!

-- Jim
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[Texascavers] Best padlocks for cave gates - advice needed

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Alan Montemaryor is my go to man for all things mechanical and locks 
specifically.

Here is what he recommended.

Geary

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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Best padlocks for cave gates - advice needed

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Also, best practice is to buy two locks and swap out periodically.  The topside 
lock can be cleaned in an ultrasonic cleaner, re-lubricated and exercised till 
it's time to swap out again.  Hope this helps.

Alan

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Travis Scott via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 8:59 AM
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Subject: [Texascavers] Best padlocks for cave gates - advice needed

Folks,

I have recently been struggling with the padlocks on cave gates that have 
become corroded and basically unusable.  Even brand new padlocks that were 
placed on the gate and left for a few years are becoming unusable.  These gates 
are designed with an arm hole which allows you to reach the padlock hanging on 
the inside of a solid gate. Once the padlock is removed, a lever is moved and 
the gate opens. The problem is that the padlocks sit in the wet warm 
environment (sometimes years at a time) collecting dust, dirt and corrosion as 
air moves past due to the cave breathing. Several locks have recently taken 
over an hour to open whilst in the most uncomfortable positions, meanwhile with 
the fear that the key might break off in the lock or the lock will never open, 
etc..

I am wondering if anyone has had the experience or research to whittle down the 
best types of locks that can handle this environment and still continue to 
function properly. I have researched corrosion aspects of different tumblers 
(no real conclusion on which is best). Other cavers have told me that the locks 
with the rubber housing around the entire lock, including the key hole, are no 
better than a normal Masterlock for example. We have tried both the most 
expensive locks and the cheaper ones, but none seem to hold up.

Does anyone have any experience with this or have any light they can shed?

Thank you so very much!!!


Travis Scott
tra...@oztotl.com
979.450.0103 (cell)


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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for: Prehistoric Cave Art - La Pasiega Cave: Feeling the Heartbeat of Paleolithic Artists in Spain

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Cavers,
This is the second webinar from Spain on prehistoric cave art! Please plan to 
attend this webinar and expect to be amazed at the incredible pictures and 
information that you will see.
Please forward this to others that you think will be interested.

Cave Safely,
Debbie Spoons
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Prehistoric Cave Art - La Pasiega Cave: Feeling the Heartbeat of Paleolithic 
Artists in Spain
Join us for a webinar on Apr 13, 2016 at 8:00 PM CDT. Which is 9PM EDT/ 7PM 
MDT/ 6PM PDT please check your time zone for the correct start time.
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1600860715822886147
Our presenter, Charles Schwalbe, is back with another incredible webinar from 
Northern Spain.

La Pasiega cave is located on Mount El Castillo, a limestone mountain with 
about 50 caves in the province of Cantabria in Northern Spain. The site is one 
of the premier cave complexes in the world cave art, boasting four caves which 
have been declared UNESCO World Heritage sites for their Paleolithic art (El 
Castillo, Las Chimeneas, La Pasiega and Las Monedas). The mountain and its 
caves were inhabited and used by humans (both Homo sapiens and Neanderthal) 
going back at least 150,000 years. Some 40,000 years ago, they began to 
decorate the walls, ceilings and floors of the caves. La Pasiega was richly 
decorated with hundreds of animal figures and ideomorphic symbols whose 
underlying purpose and meaning are an enigma to us today.
Charles Schwalbe is Chief Experience Officer at Northern Exposure Spain, 
providing custom crafted, private tours in Northern Spain to the Paleolithic 
art caves and beyond. Born in Santander, Cantabria to a Spanish mother and 
American father, he first entered the Paleolithic art caves of the area with 
his father as a child, sparking his curiosity, which has done nothing but grow. 
Charles has been sharing Northern Spain with others all of his adult life and 
now has the joy of pursuing this passion, professionally. The Paleolithic art 
caves of Cantabria, Asturias and the Basque Country are one of his focuses 
through his website and tours at Altamira Cave Tour. Charles lives with his 
wife and daughter near the caves in his family’s hometown in Cantabria.

This and all webinars are recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org
The views and opinions in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
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[Texascavers] FW: April 1 - International Geologists Day - lunch at the Cove

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

This is a reminder that today is International Geologists Day. We'll be 
celebrating with lunch at "The Cove" in San Antonio.

John Hoyt, International Man of Mystery will be the featured guest and may be 
wearing his new hair piece in commemoration of the event.

If you know or love a geologist, you're welcome to attend. See the information 
below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologists_Day


Folks,

I'm pleased to announce that April 1 is International Geologists Day for 
geologists, hydrogeologists, engineering geologists, geophysicists, geochemists 
and others in the geological field. The timing of the holiday, the first day in 
April was chosen because it closely matches the end of winter and the beginning 
of preparation for summer field work and expeditions. In addition to 
geologists, many others involved in related fields also consider this day as 
their professional holiday and celebrate it.

In celebration of this most prestigious of days, we will be meeting at 11:30 am 
for lunch at The Cove, located at 606 W. Cypress, San Antonio Texas 78212. 
Festivities will continue at The Cove after 5 pm.

Mr. John Hoyt will be joining us as Geologist Emeritus and guest of honor. 
Everyone is welcome to come celebrate and join in honoring this important 
profession (no, I'm not buying you lunch - you're on your own).

Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] Brown Bag Presentation - Texas Geology and Cosmology with Local Indigenous Interpretations at Edwards Aquifer Authority - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 11:55 am

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society –
aka brown bag luncheon

Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 11:55 AM.

Texas Geology and Cosmology with Local Indigenous Interpretations

By

Mr. Geraldo “Gary” Perez

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Mr. Geraldo “Gary” Perez will make a presentation titled: “Texas Geology and 
Cosmology with Local Indigenous Interpretations on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 
11:55 AM. The presentation will be held in the Training Room at the Edwards 
Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
Gary and his team of scientists have done extensive research on the west Texas 
painting known as the White Shaman or 41VV124 They have found astronomical and 
geographical elements represented in Native American Church ceremonies. Gary is 
also working with the Witte Museum for the new Lower Pecos exhibit opening in 
the spring of 2017. Gary will be presenting the Night Sky when the White Shaman 
was painted 4,000 years ago. His work can be found at NBC Learn, Our Desired 
Future, The Living Springs web sites.

Biography
Gary is Married to Debbie Perez, SAISD Teacher and are parents to Camaran, 
Autumn, and Stephanie. All members of the family enjoy scuba diving and Hiking.

Thank you.

Geary

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[Texascavers] FW: Jess Buckles to speak today (Wednesday, March 16) at 11:58 am on Speleothems as Paleoclimate Archives

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

FYI,

Geary












Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM.

Speleothems as Paleoclimate Archives

By Dr. Jessica Buckles, USTA

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Dr. Jessica Buckles, a Postdoctoral fellow at UTSA will make a presentation 
titled: "Speleothems as Paleoclimate Archives on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 
11:58 AM. The presentation will be held in the Training Room at the Edwards 
Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract
Speleothems, specifically stalagmites, are incredibly useful archives of past 
climate conditions. The ages of these secondary calcite formations can be 
measured using U-series dating methods. The basic formation of speleothems, the 
geochemical techniques utilized in the analysis of calcite laminae, as well as 
the interpretation of paleoclimate proxies will be presented.
Biography
Bio: Jessica Buckles is a postdoctoral fellow at UTSA focusing on paleoclimate 
records. She received a B.S. in Geology from East Tennessee State University in 
2009 and a Ph.D. in Earth & Environmental Sciences from the University of Texas 
at Arlington in 2014.

Thank you.

Geary

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900 E. Quincy | San Antonio, TX 78215
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Re: [Texascavers] The New Braunfels convention dinner speaker, Col Kittinger, is on PBS tonight

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Cool - actually cold.

Geary

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jon 
Cradit via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:01 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] The New Braunfels convention dinner speaker, Col 
Kittinger, is on PBS tonight

On PBS tonight ,
AMERICAN EXPERIENCE, Space Men Chapter 1 http://www.pbs.org/video/2365659688/

Kittinger was the dinner speaker at the New Braunfels convention.
The show is about the high-altitude balloon tests that would later lead to 
Kittinger's record-setting leap from over 102,800 feet (31,300 m). In 1957, as 
part of Project Manhigh, Kittinger set an interim balloon altitude record of 
96,760 feet (29,490 m) in Manhigh I, for which he was awarded his first 
Distinguished Flying Cross.

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS webinar

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Bill is correct, the webinar series has been very popular for downloads and has 
become a great source for grotto programs. You can download them and view them 
at your convenience. It is another great service provided by the NSS. On that 
note, if you are interested in presenting a Webinar, please let me or Debbie 
Spoons know and we’ll hook you up. Maybe Matt would be interested in presenting 
a Webinar on his recent grotto talk.

The high resolution images coming back from some of the Martian probes are 
outstanding with lots of interesting features including rimstone dams, collapse 
features (possibly lava tubes) with old stream channels leading to them, etc.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mixon Bill via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: [Texascavers] NSS webinar

I've heard that talk before. I think it was presented at a UT Grotto meeting a 
few years ago. Those who want to see the webinar but are at the grotto meeting 
instead (or just want to see it at a time convenient to themselves) will be 
able to view or download it on the NSS web site before too long: 
http://caves.org/webinars/index.shtml. Lots of other interesting talks there, 
too, including two on Mexico (Naica crystals [RIP] and Zatacón) and one on 
Edwards Aquifer in Texas.

Not to steal the speaker's thunder, but here is photo of rimstone dam on Mars. 
Obviously formed by similar principle, but not by similar chemistry. I suspect 
it consists of dried mud. -- Mixon
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