Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek update 06/04/2020

[James Jasek]

It was also great hearing from you Mike and talking to you I miss you being in 
this place is OK but it’s like a prison

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On Jun 4, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Michael Harris  wrote:


I received a phone call today from some guy named Jim Jasek. What a surprise. 
He sounds good and and in fair spirits. We reminisced about cave trips we were 
on and other stuff. It was great to hear from Jim. Our phone call was 
unfortunately cut short because it was time for a therapy session. 

Mike Harris

> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:40 PM Mimi Jasek  wrote:
> 
> New update. Jim was moved to better wing, working all therapy, eating as best 
> he can, dealing with ups and downs of healing from the event, and quarantine 
> will be lifted Saturday if he does not test positive on Friday!!? All staff 
> and residents being tested per law. If Jim does not get tested, he will be 
> quarantined for another 14  days. If he tests positive - got it in there - he 
> will be quarantined for another 14 days. I wanted him home for birthday and 
> Father’s Day weekend, but after talk with head therapist, that might or might 
> not happen. She feels at this point he would truly benefit from more therapy 
> beyond that first Medicare covered 20 days, which is 11th or 12th. As long as 
> our supplemental picks up, that is ok. Having to do all therapy in his room 
> is restrictive. He would progress much faster if they could broaden his area 
> of access, and his mental outlook would improve vastly if he could socialize. 
> Another 14 days of isolation would be awful, and truly retard his healing 
> progress. I worry though that if any of his care givers test positive, will 
> he be automatically quarantined?!! So, please send prayers and good thoughts 
> for him to test negative, as well as all care givers. The long term residents 
> would not be affected like Jim - who is supposed to come home! Since I have 
> not seen him since he went in on the 23rd, I honestly have no real idea of 
> how he is doing functionally. I get that question, but just don’t know. All I 
> know is from phone calls with him, nurses, and therapists (rarely). Stay well 
> and safe, please! This situation is just not good for anyone at this time☹️
> 
> Mimi Jasek
> 254-495-0416
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek update 06/04/2020

[James Jasek]

Hi Mimi I am awake and I am ready to have you call me anytime
On Jun 4, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Mimi Jasek  wrote:

Lindsey, thanks for that. Believe me there are plenty of times when I am so 
tired and feel just broken from Jim’s event, and work, and just keeping life 
going, and the tears flow freely. But he is better, and that is what matters. 
He is still essentially not covered to protect him from another event, and that 
may not change for some time due to bleed. So keep those prayers and positive 
thoughts coming please 😊 This community helps me keep going.

Mimi

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> On Jun 4, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Lindsey Adamoski  
> wrote:
> 
> Hang in there Mimi! Your strength through this is amazing. Thank you for the 
> updates. 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:19 PM Michael Harris  wrote:
>> I received a phone call today from some guy named Jim Jasek. What a 
>> surprise. He sounds good and and in fair spirits. We reminisced about cave 
>> trips we were on and other stuff. It was great to hear from Jim. Our phone 
>> call was unfortunately cut short because it was time for a therapy session. 
>> 
>> Mike Harris
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:40 PM Mimi Jasek  wrote:
>>> 
>>> New update. Jim was moved to better wing, working all therapy, eating as 
>>> best he can, dealing with ups and downs of healing from the event, and 
>>> quarantine will be lifted Saturday if he does not test positive on 
>>> Friday!!? All staff and residents being tested per law. If Jim does not get 
>>> tested, he will be quarantined for another 14  days. If he tests positive - 
>>> got it in there - he will be quarantined for another 14 days. I wanted him 
>>> home for birthday and Father’s Day weekend, but after talk with head 
>>> therapist, that might or might not happen. She feels at this point he would 
>>> truly benefit from more therapy beyond that first Medicare covered 20 days, 
>>> which is 11th or 12th. As long as our supplemental picks up, that is ok. 
>>> Having to do all therapy in his room is restrictive. He would progress much 
>>> faster if they could broaden his area of access, and his mental outlook 
>>> would improve vastly if he could socialize. Another 14 days of isolation 
>>> would be awful, and truly retard his healing progress. I worry though that 
>>> if any of his care givers test positive, will he be automatically 
>>> quarantined?!! So, please send prayers and good thoughts for him to test 
>>> negative, as well as all care givers. The long term residents would not be 
>>> affected like Jim - who is supposed to come home! Since I have not seen him 
>>> since he went in on the 23rd, I honestly have no real idea of how he is 
>>> doing functionally. I get that question, but just don’t know. All I know is 
>>> from phone calls with him, nurses, and therapists (rarely). Stay well and 
>>> safe, please! This situation is just not good for anyone at this time☹️
>>> 
>>> Mimi Jasek
>>> 254-495-0416
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Texascavers] Micro-blasting

[James Jasek]

Very good but call me at (254) 733-7451 to find out ths rest of the story

Jim

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 12:33 PM, Marvin and Lisa  wrote:
> 


I use fast burning black powder. 3 mil nichrome wire for the igniter. It is 
readily available on the internet.
 
My follow-on question is what do people use to fill the hole? I am currently 
using plumbers putty. Is it necessary to completely plug the hole to the 
surface?
 
Marvin Miller
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question

[James Jasek]

Charlie somebody else to contact in Austin a pogo could possibly be Terry 
Raines I wouldn’t be at all surprised that he has some of those comic strip the 
only trouble is getting the monetary is not easy and it never was I know you 
know him or just contact him and see what he has to say he’s on that he’s got a 
website and he’s on the Internet all the time but he’s he’s not caring anymore 
another person to contact is Carl Kunath

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 


Pogo was a great strip. I will try to find those strips.

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 7:49 AM kara posso  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the 
> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with 
> the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this 
> far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit 
> REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the 
> listserve.
> 
> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
> am sure people would be interested to see!
> 
> Thanks folks!
> Kara
> 
> 
> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
> this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
> period of 1953-54.
> 
> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently mentions 
> real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a recent 
> re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
> beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
> Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
> spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
> makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  
> Some of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog 
> that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of 
> rescue or similar event.
> 
> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
> 
> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
> mystery.
> 
> Thank you for your time and attention.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question

[James Jasek]

The person right they are living in Austin that you can contact is Terry Raines 
he’s been caring since he was 16 and I know him he’s a good friend

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:59 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
> 

The person to contact for this information and in Texas is Carl Kunath

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:49 AM, kara posso  wrote:
> 


Hello Everyone,

Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the other 
day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with the help 
of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this far. Ross 
is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit REPLY ALL to 
keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the listserve.

Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
am sure people would be interested to see!

Thanks folks!
Kara


My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
period of 1953-54.

I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently mentions 
real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a recent 
re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  Some 
of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog that was 
swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of rescue or 
similar event.

Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
started this storyline in November or December of 1954.

I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
mystery.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Ross Burns

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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question

[James Jasek]

The person to contact for this information and in Texas is Carl Kunath

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:49 AM, kara posso  wrote:
> 


Hello Everyone,

Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the other 
day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with the help 
of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this far. Ross 
is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit REPLY ALL to 
keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the listserve.

Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
am sure people would be interested to see!

Thanks folks!
Kara


My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
period of 1953-54.

I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently mentions 
real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a recent 
re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  Some 
of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog that was 
swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of rescue or 
similar event.

Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
started this storyline in November or December of 1954.

I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
mystery.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Ross Burns

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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Questionc

[James Jasek]

Andy as far as I know Carl Kunath has the negatives with the bill Helmer took 
Carl wanted me to scan them he said he only had about 100 negatives but when I 
sign for me they must’ve been for 500 and I just wouldn’t do it so I sent him 
back to Carl he had some pretty good images some of them were really bad the 
scan those negatives would’ve taken me months and I have the equipment and the 
knowledge but I just didn’t want to spend that much time as far as I know Carl 
still has the negatives

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:59 AM, grub...@centurytel.net wrote:
> 


I think a "person of interest" to look into here is Bill Helmer.  He was a UTG 
caver back about then and he was a cartoonist who did many caver cartoons.  See 
his book "There we was"  He went on to have a career at a nationally prominent 
magazine, Playboy.   Even if this is a blind lead you will find interesting 
things.  NSS bulletin 10 on "The Caves of Texas" was a bit after that as I 
recall, so I dont think its involved here.  1954 is very early UT grotto.  
Sadly many of the people I would ask about this are no longer with us

From: "kara posso" 
To: "texascavers" , searos...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48:55 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Historical Question

Hello Everyone,

Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the other 
day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with the help 
of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this far. Ross 
is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit REPLY ALL to 
keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the listserve.

Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
am sure people would be interested to see!

Thanks folks!
Kara


My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
period of 1953-54.

I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently mentions 
real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a recent 
re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  Some 
of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog that was 
swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of rescue or 
similar event.

Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
started this storyline in November or December of 1954.

I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
mystery.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Ross Burns


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Re: [Texascavers] Pic

[James Jasek]

The person to contact for pictures of Golondrinas is Terry Raines Terry has 
everything you probably would ever be able to use

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> On Mar 5, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Denise P  wrote:
> 


Anyone have a classic pic of Golondrinas they could email me? Would be 
especially good if it had a person on rope

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Blocks For Sale

[James Jasek]

Jon I would love to have one of these Cave blogs how much do they cost and how 
would I get one to Waco

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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 8:09 AM, John Brooks  
> wrote:
> 

The greater cost for those blocks is the transportation. We use those blocks 
for benches and landscape elements for projects in central Texas - and the cost 
is reasonable. But every time, we try to use those in North Texas, the 
transportation costs are excessive.

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>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Robert B  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Good morning.
> I found this FB marketplace post amusing. Hope ya'll will too.
> If I had a need or such large stone blocks, I would prefer the rough natural 
> look to the smooth cut surface.
> 
> Cave Blocks For Sale 
> "These are the very popular cave blocks made from the cave formations in 
> central texas."
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1951451184998483/
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Re: [Texascavers] Terry Raines email

[James Jasek]

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> On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:50 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:
> 


(rather - trai...@acms.org does not work)

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Don Cooper 

Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:19 PM
To: Texas Cavers 
Subject: [Texascavers] Terry Raines email
 
trai...@acms.com  no longer works

Trying to send Terry an email.  Please supply me with one that does.

Thanks - 

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Re: [Texascavers] Update on Honey Creek

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> On Dec 9, 2019, at 5:59 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> 

Below is the latest news from the Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance (GEAA) on 
the wastewater system proposed for Honey Creek. For more information on GEAA or 
to get on their mailing list directly, contact them at the links below.

George



Dear Friends of Honey Creek,

Last week a few people received notices that Silesia had applied for a new 
Texas Land Application Permit (TLAP) for Honey Creek Ranch. You can read the 
notice 
here.
  You can see the Affected Landowner Map 
here
 and the Groundwater Quality Report 
here.
 You can see more information 
here
 under "Honey Creek Waste Water Permit".

This means that the clock starts over as this is an application for a new 
permit.  We all need to respond with comments and request a public meeting for 
Proposed Permit # WQ0015835001

You may also request a contested case hearing.  To do so, you must include your 
name, address, applicants name (Silesia Properties LP) and Proposed Permit # 
WQ0015835001, the location and distance of your property/activities relative to 
the proposed facility, a specific description of how you would be adversely 
affected by the facility in a way not common to the general public, a list of 
all disputed issues of the fact that you submit during the comment period, and 
the statement "I request a contested case hearing".

If a contested case hearing is granted, the subject of the hearing will be 
limited to disputed issues of fact or mixed questions of fact and law related 
to relevant and material water quality concerns submitted during the comment 
period. So, make sure that all your concerns are stated in this communication.

You may submit your comments 
on-line
 
(https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment)
 by entering WQ0015835. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the Chief 
Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087.

TCEQ will hold a public meeting if the Executive Director determines that there 
is a significant degree of public interest in the application or if the 
requested by a local legislator. Requests to Representative 
Beidermann,
 Senator 
Campbell,
 and Comal County 
Commissioners
 asking them to contact TCEQ to request a public meeting would be helpful.

We had a great meeting at the Mammen Public Library on December 4th.  In 
addition to the new permit, we discussed reports that bull dozers began 
clearing on the site, in violation of the City of Bulverde's Tree ordinance.

*  Fundraising: To date $23,555 has been raised assuming we meet the $15,000 
match. We still need to raise $7,455 to secure the full match.

Brie Jameson and Joyce Moore will work on fundraiser at Honey Creek Cave.  This 
would be a high dollar ticket event.  (Thank you, Joyce and Brie!)

Julie Whittaker: reported on bids for SAVE HONEY CREEK signs and Facebook info 
with block font in med blue.

Lone Star Reprographics: 4'x8' fence signs in Coroplast. $112 each, 50 Yard 
signs  $10.50 each, stakes $1.50 each and Fast Signs: 4'x8' banner with 
grommets $145.13 each, 50 Yard signs with stakes  $14.80 each. It was agreed 
that we would get the best bang for the buck by ordering four 4' x 8' fence 
signs to display at strategic locations.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts to date.  Our next meeting will be at 
6:00 p.m. on Tuesd

Re: [Texascavers] Update on Honey Creek

[James Jasek]

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> On Dec 9, 2019, at 5:59 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> 

Below is the latest news from the Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance (GEAA) on 
the wastewater system proposed for Honey Creek. For more information on GEAA or 
to get on their mailing list directly, contact them at the links below.

George



Dear Friends of Honey Creek,

Last week a few people received notices that Silesia had applied for a new 
Texas Land Application Permit (TLAP) for Honey Creek Ranch. You can read the 
notice 
here.
  You can see the Affected Landowner Map 
here
 and the Groundwater Quality Report 
here.
 You can see more information 
here
 under "Honey Creek Waste Water Permit".

This means that the clock starts over as this is an application for a new 
permit.  We all need to respond with comments and request a public meeting for 
Proposed Permit # WQ0015835001

You may also request a contested case hearing.  To do so, you must include your 
name, address, applicants name (Silesia Properties LP) and Proposed Permit # 
WQ0015835001, the location and distance of your property/activities relative to 
the proposed facility, a specific description of how you would be adversely 
affected by the facility in a way not common to the general public, a list of 
all disputed issues of the fact that you submit during the comment period, and 
the statement "I request a contested case hearing".

If a contested case hearing is granted, the subject of the hearing will be 
limited to disputed issues of fact or mixed questions of fact and law related 
to relevant and material water quality concerns submitted during the comment 
period. So, make sure that all your concerns are stated in this communication.

You may submit your comments 
on-line
 
(https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment)
 by entering WQ0015835. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the Chief 
Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087.

TCEQ will hold a public meeting if the Executive Director determines that there 
is a significant degree of public interest in the application or if the 
requested by a local legislator. Requests to Representative 
Beidermann,
 Senator 
Campbell,
 and Comal County 
Commissioners
 asking them to contact TCEQ to request a public meeting would be helpful.

We had a great meeting at the Mammen Public Library on December 4th.  In 
addition to the new permit, we discussed reports that bull dozers began 
clearing on the site, in violation of the City of Bulverde's Tree ordinance.

*  Fundraising: To date $23,555 has been raised assuming we meet the $15,000 
match. We still need to raise $7,455 to secure the full match.

Brie Jameson and Joyce Moore will work on fundraiser at Honey Creek Cave.  This 
would be a high dollar ticket event.  (Thank you, Joyce and Brie!)

Julie Whittaker: reported on bids for SAVE HONEY CREEK signs and Facebook info 
with block font in med blue.

Lone Star Reprographics: 4'x8' fence signs in Coroplast. $112 each, 50 Yard 
signs  $10.50 each, stakes $1.50 each and Fast Signs: 4'x8' banner with 
grommets $145.13 each, 50 Yard signs with stakes  $14.80 each. It was agreed 
that we would get the best bang for the buck by ordering four 4' x 8' fence 
signs to display at strategic locations.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts to date.  Our next meeting will be at 
6:00 p.m. on Tuesd

Re: [Texascavers] (no subject)

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> On Oct 29, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:




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Re: [Texascavers] My Lake

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> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Geary Schindel  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you all could use a hydrologist.
>  
> I think I may be out that way tomorrow if you would like me to stop by and 
> take a look.
>  
> Privately message me at the email below and send me your address and any 
> directions I may need. I may be able to do a little look at some of the 
> geology of the area for you.
>  
> Geary 
> 210.326.1576 cell
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Charles 
> Loving
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:36 AM
> To: Cavers Texas 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] My Lake
>  
> The lake is on highway 337 between Leakey and Camp Wood on Pine Mt Road in 
> front of my house. We have done all that. We have used dye and like I said 
> dumped hundreds of tons of rock, caliche and cement into the lake and are 
> still doing that today. Our newghbor is using his front end loaders and three 
> dump trucks, moving rocks and dirt. This is the headwater of the Nueches 
> River. The springs that feed the lake are still running but no longer roaring 
> like they did. There is water but it is no longer five to six acres. My own 
> little creek that is a dry weather creek runs during rain events. The water 
> comes off the hill and down the gully and pools before it crosses the road 
> about 200 yards from the lake and disappears underground. There are a half 
> dozen caves above my house in the cliff side. There has to have been a shift 
> below the lake due to drought perhaps or something we weren't aware of. One 
> of my neighbors built a beautiful cement dam across a  creek that trickled. 
> It never filled and no amount of bentonite and such helped. He now has a 
> beautiful useless dam.
>  
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jon Cradit  wrote:
> Charlie,
> I don’t know where your lake front property is but if you have access to some 
> Del Rio Clay you could have that hauled in and rolled out to seal the bottom. 
>  You may also try doing a small dye trace from your water feature to your 
> well, if you have one, and determine if there is a hydraulic connection.
>  
> Jon C.
>  
>  
> From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Charles 
> Loving
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 7:47 PM
> To: Gill Ediger ; Crash Kennedy 
> ; Cavers Texas 
> Subject: [Texascavers] My Lake
>  
> 
> The lake  at my place is leaking like a sive and loosing water. It has gone 
> from 6 acres to about 2.  We have dumped 35 dump trucks of rock and caliche 
> and four loads of cement into the thing and it accomplished nothing. I think 
> there is a cave, crack or sink hole. We have been working on this for weeks 
> and nothing seems to work.
>  
>  It is a series of caves I am sure that opened up recently. We have had no 
> rain etc. The ground is tinder dry. No rain since January.
>  
> When it does rain two or three inches there is a dry weather creek next to my 
> house that runs toward the lake but disappears before it reaches it all the 
> water goes underground. 
>  
> I am wonder if the cavers  could use a magnetometer to find the holes? That 
> might at least put us on a track toward repairing the lake. We have to do all 
> this on our dime and it is getting prohibitive.
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Re: [Texascavers] (no subject)

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Precision Camera

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> On Oct 29, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 




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Re: [Texascavers] obituary for Scott Harden attached

[James Jasek]

There is another Caver that his sister passed away this year his name was 
Leonard Clark he was one of the major explores in natural Bridge caverns
Sl

He went to San Antonio or lived in San Antonio well I went to St. Mary’s 
University and we did a pretty good bit of caving down there in San Antonio I 
care both with Leonard Clark  and al BRANT. Leonard was not one of the four 
extra Reginald Caver is it when is NBC but he went into every Cave trip that 
they went on after the Cable discovered and he helped to do a lot of the 
original explanation and survey he was also a very good friend

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> On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:20 PM, William R. Elliott  wrote:
> 


This obituary pdf for Scott Harden, assembled from three sources, will be 
posted on The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers at the next posting. 

Scott passed away 13 March 2015. It was in the June 2015 Texas Caver.

Thanks to Kurt Menking, George Veni and James Reddell.
William R. (Bill) Elliott

speodes...@gmail.com

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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[James Jasek]

We plan on being at TCR but if we can’t make it we want our issue of the Texas 
Caver mailed to us you have our address thank you

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> On Oct 8, 2019, at 11:28 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
> 

my dues have been paid in full for James Jasek and Mimi Jasek. We voted. 

Jim

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> On Oct 4, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Jessica Gordon  wrote:
> 


Hi all,

The next issue of The Texas Caver will be available soon. I plan to bring hard 
copies to TCR. If you are signed up to receive a hardcopy but are not able to 
make it to TCR, please send me a direct email (chair...@cavetexas.org) to let 
me know if there is someone else you would like for me to give your copy to (or 
it can be mailed to you). The electronic version should be posted on the TSA 
website soon.  

Thanks,

Jessica

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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[James Jasek]

my dues have been paid in full for James Jasek and Mimi Jasek. We voted. 

Jim

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> On Oct 4, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Jessica Gordon  wrote:
> 


Hi all,

The next issue of The Texas Caver will be available soon. I plan to bring hard 
copies to TCR. If you are signed up to receive a hardcopy but are not able to 
make it to TCR, please send me a direct email (chair...@cavetexas.org) to let 
me know if there is someone else you would like for me to give your copy to (or 
it can be mailed to you). The electronic version should be posted on the TSA 
website soon.  

Thanks,

Jessica

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR

[James Jasek]

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> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:58 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
> 



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> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mimi Jasek  wrote:
> 

For those who might want to know, if all goes well tomorrow and next week, we 
should be at TCR, at least by sometime Saturday morn at the latest. Jim had a 
facial skin cancer scare - Melanoma Stage 2 - but they got it all before it 
spread as of yesterday. At present he looks like he had a fight with a 
stalactite and it won, but surgery to close wound tomorrow should fix damage. 
Barring complications, doc will give us clearance to come - and for once I am 
not working. Hopefully see you there!

Use your sunscreen!!

Mimi and Jim Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR

[James Jasek]

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> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mimi Jasek  wrote:
> 

For those who might want to know, if all goes well tomorrow and next week, we 
should be at TCR, at least by sometime Saturday morn at the latest. Jim had a 
facial skin cancer scare - Melanoma Stage 2 - but they got it all before it 
spread as of yesterday. At present he looks like he had a fight with a 
stalactite and it won, but surgery to close wound tomorrow should fix damage. 
Barring complications, doc will give us clearance to come - and for once I am 
not working. Hopefully see you there!

Use your sunscreen!!

Mimi and Jim Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave News!

[James Jasek]

I Mimi and I are planning on coming to TCRV but I don’t know if I will be past 
this cancer thing and if I am and doing OK we will be there. 

Jim

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> On Oct 1, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Jim Kennedy  wrote:
> 

Ladies and Gents, the Texas Cavers Reunion is almost upon us, 10-13 October. 
As for the past four years, we will once again be at Paradise Canyon Campground 
near Rio Medina, just west of San Antonio. They have a great web site with 
directions and a map if you need one. The price is the same also, only $30 for 
adults. This gets you camping, the Big Feed, contests, hot tub and sauna, 
vendors, mud wrestling, wine tasting, bands, a Parade (“Under the Sea” theme — 
wear costumes and bring a float!), beer, socializing, door prizes, reminiscing 
over lost companions, and other aspects of the biggest Texas caving party each 
year!  There is no cell phone service in the canyon, so we can’t process credit 
or debit card payments. Bring cash or checks!  Ice will be available at 
Registration, and hot showers are also available, but you’ll need quarters for 
that. We still need some volunteers to help set up and tear down various things 
over the weekend, so if you have some free time, consider helping out. And 
don’t forget to say “thanks” to those who help put on this fabulous production. 
See you there a week from Thursday!

Jim “Crash” Kennedy
TCR Chief Getter-Doner

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Re: [Texascavers] TCMA election is live

[James Jasek]

Greg I believe that I am a TCMA lifetime member and I have not received the 
ballot and would like to vote.

Jamed Jasek

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> On Oct 1, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Gregg Williams  wrote:
> 


Please take a look at your inbox for your chance to vote in the 2020 TCMA Board 
of Directors election. If you are a current member you should have a ballot at 
this time. If you are a member in good standing and do not see your ballot 
check your SPAM folder and if it is not there please let me know.

Vote early, vote often!

Gregg Williams
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[James Jasek]

Also a subscriber and will remain so for quite a number of years as long as it 
doesn’t get too bad

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Geary Schindel  
> wrote:
> 


Interesting, I clicked on it from the Facebook post and it took me right to the 
article.
 
However, I’m also a subscriber.
 
Geary
 
From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Bill 
Bentley
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:56 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave
 
Can't read the article as it says you have to be a subscriber of the San 
Antonio Express newspaper. 
 
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:51 AM Geary Schindel  
wrote:
Folks,

I have a caving post.

I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell, and Joe 
Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron Open House. 
It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also for Elaine and 
Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and degassing. I know 
that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend the event as well as 
all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always great to see cavers - 
young and old to volunteer to support caves and caving events. THANK YOU. 

I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major fund 
raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there was some 
great outreach by many of the organizations present including the TSA, Bexar 
Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link to an article 
in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see. 
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
 Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano who 
is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an agent). 

I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a 
similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open 
House is a great model.

Thanks,

Geary M. Schindel
President
National Speleological Society
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[James Jasek]

I totally agree everybody that there was was there was did a fantastic job Mimi 
and I arrived from Waco around 9 AM and stay the entire day the minute we got 
there we were part of the service crew selling T-shirts publications and giving 
advice to the people who showed up to go in the cave it was a fantastic thing 
to belong to next year I plan to take over the care photography in the cave and 
do all of the photography of the people who show up for the groups

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Geary Schindel  
> wrote:
> 

Folks,

I have a caving post.

I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell, and Joe 
Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron Open House. 
It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also for Elaine and 
Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and degassing. I know 
that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend the event as well as 
all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always great to see cavers - 
young and old to volunteer to support caves and caving events. THANK YOU. 

I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major fund 
raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there was some 
great outreach by many of the organizations present including the TSA, Bexar 
Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link to an article 
in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see. 
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
 Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano who 
is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an agent). 

I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a 
similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open 
House is a great model.

Thanks,

Geary M. Schindel
President
National Speleological Society
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[James Jasek]

Lindsay it sure was good to meet you after all these years thank you very much 
James Jasek

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Lindsey Adamoski  
> wrote:
> 


Thanks Geary!! I was able to read the article without subscribing.

> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:57 AM Geary Schindel  
> wrote:
> Interesting, I clicked on it from the Facebook post and it took me right to 
> the article.
> 
>  
> 
> However, I’m also a subscriber.
> 
>  
> 
> Geary
> 
>  
> 
> From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Bill 
> Bentley
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:56 AM
> To: CaveTex 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave
> 
>  
> 
> Can't read the article as it says you have to be a subscriber of the San 
> Antonio Express newspaper. 
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:51 AM Geary Schindel  
> wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I have a caving post.
> 
> I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell, and 
> Joe Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron Open 
> House. It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also for 
> Elaine and Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and 
> degassing. I know that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend 
> the event as well as all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always 
> great to see cavers - young and old to volunteer to support caves and caving 
> events. THANK YOU. 
> 
> I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major fund 
> raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there was some 
> great outreach by many of the organizations present including the TSA, Bexar 
> Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link to an article 
> in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see. 
> https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
>  Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano 
> who is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an 
> agent). 
> 
> I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a 
> similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open 
> House is a great model.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geary M. Schindel
> President
> National Speleological Society
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Re: [Texascavers] adios redux

[James Jasek]

Sent from my iPhoneX

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:
> 

turns out one needs to unsubscribe twice to make it happen so in the meantime, 
am pleasantly surprised by a couple supportive posts.  
what if we return this post to a caver campfire?   I’m sick to death of 
squabbling and caver topic police  who never have anything of interest to post 
but are quick to slam ‘unauthorized' posts.  
keep it private to cavers and give people one chance to learn to be civil, then 
toss them out.  
maybe then long term cavers would come back and we might all have conversations 
about whatever is of interest to us.
in 80’s and 90’s caver conversation ranged all over the world, included 
interesting ideas, inventions, and practical jokes.  and it was generally 
generous, not hateful.  
and for god’s sake, if you don’t care for what someone posts, ignore it.
this is not to slight the creator and maintainer of this forum, just to say 
maybe its time to change the way its done.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Election

[James Jasek]

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Linda Palit  wrote:
> 


If you are a current member of the TSA then you should have received a ballot 
in your email. Please check your spam if you have not received one.  Please 
vote as soon as possible.  

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Election

[James Jasek]

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Linda Palit  wrote:
> 


If you are a current member of the TSA then you should have received a ballot 
in your email. Please check your spam if you have not received one.  Please 
vote as soon as possible.  

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Election

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Linda Palit  wrote:
> 


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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Clarification on event Saturday for Jenni Arburn

[James Jasek]

Mimi and I got the first post.

Mmi and Jim

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 7:51 PM, Linda Palit  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think this posted. Trying again. 
> 
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Linda Palit 
> Date: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:29 AM
> Subject: Clarification on event Saturday for Jenni Arburn
> To: Cavers Texas 
> 
> 
> Attire is caver flexible; dress as you choose.  Beverage and food donations 
> to share are welcome. Below is some clarification about the location.  
> 
> 
> The Landmark
> 144 Landa Street
> New Braunfels, TX 
> 
> You may park in the front parking lot, if an overflow of vehicles arises 
> please park across the street from the venue. 
> You may not pass beyond the gates as this is reserved parking for residents.
> 
> Once you arrive, walk into the front building then proceed to the clubroom on 
> the right side first floor. 
> 
> The building is secured and security key fobs are required to ride elevators 
> and other areas of the building. All guests must remain in the Clubroom. 
> 
> The venue and building is non smoking, if you vape or smoke please feel free 
> to go out onto the terrace area. 
> 
> Thank you and we look forward to seeing you soon.
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Re: [Texascavers] Caving Video of the Week

[James Jasek]

I like the mud

Jim
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On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:02 PM, David  wrote:

This video has several of the attributes that make a good video for
cavers.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWXTjf0VIec

I would have liked to have been there.


I am on Day # 26 renting a room in an apartment from a random person
on Craigslist.  My roomlord, has not come out of his room
for several days, and I would be tempted to call 911, but this
seems to be his thing, especially on weekends.It is very likely,
that I am the roommate from H***, but he has not indicated that.
I have 90 % of my stuff here now. I built a bunk bed out of 
heavy-duty steel storage racks, and now have a comfy bed, 
and plenty of room to store tote boxes full of the junk that I like to hoard
( LED lights, camping gear, books, winter clothes, etc. ).I hope to 
set-up my bookcase tomorrow, and maybe next week start putting
some of my caving books in it.In summary, I am gambling that
I may be here a few months or longer.


Another caver departed

Ralph Hess Jr.

Ralph Samuel Hess Jr. passed away on Thursday, August 1, 2019. He was born on 
March 24, 1922, in Danville, Va. He was a graduate G.W. High School and then 
went to VPI (VT) where he graduated in 1944 with a degree in aeronautical 
engineering.   He was a life member of the National Speleological Society and 
has part of a cave named for him, "Hess' Hallow" in Blacksburg, Va. 

He and Ruth loved traveling and they visited many countries. He loved sailing 
and being on the water and flying small planes.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/godanriver.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/bf/4bffc52f-be8f-5932-aa88-971be7c08325/5d44f8c8b6d47.image.jpg?resize=300%2C433
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Open House Volunteers

[JAMES JASEK]

I have been release from Rehab, but I am not sure I can do this. I might be 
able to some jaw and be surface support??

Jim

> On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Lindsey Adamoski  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone!! We expect to have a HUGE turnout for the open house this year!! 
> We will need volunteers above and below ground to make sure this event is a 
> success!! The open house will be 9am until 3pm and we will need volunteers to 
> get there around 7:30am for orientation. Here are the following people who 
> are confirmed as volunteers:
> 
> Adamoski, David
> Demarest, Ken
> Funk, Jim
> Gibbs, MJ
> Hill, Leia
> Martinez, Maurice
> Miller, Leah
> Miller, Lisa  
> Miller, Marvin 
> Mitchell, Joe
> Novak, Mandy
> Perrine, Ethan
> Ramos, Marco
> Ranzau, Joe
> Ross, Mark
> White, Garry
>   
> If you are not on the list, I do not have you as a confirmed-in-writing 
> volunteer. Thanks!
> 
> Lindsey
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Re: [Texascavers] sort-of barely Houston related

[JAMES JASEK]

I do not know why anyone believes these fairy tales

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 11:04 AM, David  wrote:
> 
> From David Locklear
> ( not affiliated with any other character )
> 
> My lease on my apartment in Alief ends in 13 days.   
> 
> In the apartment, I have only a plastic folding chair and plastic 
> folding-table and inflatable-mattress and an inflatable loveseat, and a used 
> 65 inch flat-screen tv.   All that junk, is going into my storage unit next 
> week, with all my other junk. 
> 
> I have no idea whatsoever what happens after that.
> 
> My #1 goal in life at the moment, is to kick out my feminine Nigerian 
> Craigslist roommate.   He and I are not compatable roommates.   Imagine that 
> ?  I am worried that he will try to be a squatter, and ruin my plans to 
> evacuate.
> So I invited him to share a seedy motel with me for 2 weeks after I move out. 
>  He declined.
> 
> If I were to get my deposit back from the slumlord, I might could get another 
> apartment.   But signing a lease again, would be so unpleasant.   I am burned 
> out and diminished from apartment shopping.
> 
> I can almost guarantee you that few jobs  as bad as mine does right now.  
>  I watched roofers spreading hot asphalt in the blazing sun, and that 
> obviously is a different kind of .
> 
> My spoiled daughter, Cavepearl, is giving me about 3 weeks to come up with 
> the funds for her quincenera party.   She is barely speaking to me, but 
> occasionally text an emoji.
> Part of me does not want to go to it.  The party to me, feels like an 
> undesired deadline - like a final exam. 
> 
> 
> I am disappointed that I missed the recent caver gatherings near Austin or in 
> Austin. 
> 
> D. L. 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 17

[JAMES JASEK]

> On May 21, 2019, at 11:00 AM, texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com wrote:
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>   1. Don Broussard passed away (William R. Elliott)
>   2. Re: Don Broussard passed away (Bill Steele)
>   3. Re: Don Broussard passed away (William R. Elliott)
>   4. Re: Don Broussard passed away (mmin...@caver.net)
>   5. Don Broussard (JAMES JASEK)
>   6. Bill Russell (Jim Kennedy)
>   7. Don Broussard (Mimi Jasek)
>   8. Re: Don Broussard passed away (bmorgan...@aol.com)
>   9. Further news on Don Broussard (William R. Elliott)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:04:26 -0500
> From: "William R. Elliott" 
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Don Broussard passed away
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> *Don Broussard*
> 
> August 17, 1948 – May 16?, 2019
> 
> Famous caver, Don Broussard, from the Austin, Texas area, passed away
> probably on Thursday, May 16. His close friend, David Honea, had visited
> Don May 6-10, and they usually spoke on the phone on Sundays, but David
> could not reach Don on May 19. Nancy Weaver was asked to check on him, and
> she found him deceased in his home between Wimberley and Driftwood, Texas.
> The cause is not known at this time. Don was diabetic, but he was in good
> health lately.
> 
> Don was an active caver who went on many hard caving trips from about 1967
> through the 1990s. He continued to be part of the support crew for major
> expeditions to Huautla and other destinations until recently. Don was
> always cheerful and helpful. His trademark was to walk up and say “Good
> morning!” even if it was late at night. Everyone noticed how unassuming,
> modest, and quiet he was. His good friend, John Fish, said, “Don was a
> faithful helper, a faithful friend.”
> 
> Don and David Honea were friends in Houston schools from 1st through 12th
> grade. Don went to the University of Arkansas, where he started caving,
> then to the University of Texas, where he joined the UT Grotto caving club.
> He, David, and Bill Elliott were caver pals and roommates in 1968-1969. In
> the summer of 1969 Don worked with Bill Elliott and Jim McIntire in the
> Sierra de El Abra, mapping and making cavefish collections in many caves
> for Robert W. Mitchell’s cavefish research. After that he worked for John
> Fish from 1971-1973 in the El Abra as part of John’s dissertation work on
> hydrogeology. Most of Don’s work in the El Abra is documented in AMCS
> Bulletin 14 by John Fish, Karst Hydrology of the Sierra de El Abra, Mexico
> (2004) and AMCS Bulletin 26 by Bill Elliott, The Astyanax Caves of Mexico
> (2018). Don was declared the “King of the El Abra” because he went in more
> caves for science and mapping than anyone else. Friends presented him with
> a free copy of the cavefish bulletin in 2018 and had a lunch in his honor.
> 
> Peter Sprouse said, “The passing of the first generation of AMCS cavers,
> those who were active in the 1960s, continues with the loss of Don
> Broussard. Don was very involved in the exploration of the Sierra de El
> Abra and Aquismón in San Luis Potosí in his early caving years. In the
> 1980s Don led efforts to explore and survey the Crevice in the deepest part
> of Sótano de las Golondrinas. Has was also active in explorations in the
> Huautla area of Oaxaca and the Purificación karst of Tamaulipas. ¡Vaya con
> Oztotl, Don!”
> 
> John Fish remembers the time when he and Don returned to Ciudad Valles
> after a crawlway trip in Sótano de la Tinaja. They emerged covered in mud.
> When they returned to their rented room Don walked straight to the concrete
> shower stall and proceeded to wash down his muddy clothes before stripping
> and scrubbing himself down to the skin. That way he got all the mud off in
> one session.
> 
> Bill Elliott is working on an index to Don’s name in all of the AMCS
> newsletters and maps he participated in.  His name was on 47 maps in San
> Luis Potosi and Tamaulipas alone. Don was involved with mapping Sótano del
> Venadito, Tamps., from 196

Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 17

[James Jasek]

I remember when I first met Don in 1969 I instantly liked him he was just that 
kind of a person he was a very likable person and he radiated that to other 
people we were instant friends. Even though I did not see Don very often now 
that he’s gone I miss him his passing has left a hole in my life. 
James Jasek

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  4. Re: Don Broussard passed away (mmin...@caver.net)
  5. Don Broussard (JAMES JASEK)
  6. Bill Russell (Jim Kennedy)
  7. Don Broussard (Mimi Jasek)
  8. Re: Don Broussard passed away (bmorgan...@aol.com)
  9. Further news on Don Broussard (William R. Elliott)


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Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:04:26 -0500
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*Don Broussard*

August 17, 1948 – May 16?, 2019

Famous caver, Don Broussard, from the Austin, Texas area, passed away
probably on Thursday, May 16. His close friend, David Honea, had visited
Don May 6-10, and they usually spoke on the phone on Sundays, but David
could not reach Don on May 19. Nancy Weaver was asked to check on him, and
she found him deceased in his home between Wimberley and Driftwood, Texas.
The cause is not known at this time. Don was diabetic, but he was in good
health lately.

Don was an active caver who went on many hard caving trips from about 1967
through the 1990s. He continued to be part of the support crew for major
expeditions to Huautla and other destinations until recently. Don was
always cheerful and helpful. His trademark was to walk up and say “Good
morning!” even if it was late at night. Everyone noticed how unassuming,
modest, and quiet he was. His good friend, John Fish, said, “Don was a
faithful helper, a faithful friend.”

Don and David Honea were friends in Houston schools from 1st through 12th
grade. Don went to the University of Arkansas, where he started caving,
then to the University of Texas, where he joined the UT Grotto caving club.
He, David, and Bill Elliott were caver pals and roommates in 1968-1969. In
the summer of 1969 Don worked with Bill Elliott and Jim McIntire in the
Sierra de El Abra, mapping and making cavefish collections in many caves
for Robert W. Mitchell’s cavefish research. After that he worked for John
Fish from 1971-1973 in the El Abra as part of John’s dissertation work on
hydrogeology. Most of Don’s work in the El Abra is documented in AMCS
Bulletin 14 by John Fish, Karst Hydrology of the Sierra de El Abra, Mexico
(2004) and AMCS Bulletin 26 by Bill Elliott, The Astyanax Caves of Mexico
(2018). Don was declared the “King of the El Abra” because he went in more
caves for science and mapping than anyone else. Friends presented him with
a free copy of the cavefish bulletin in 2018 and had a lunch in his honor.

Peter Sprouse said, “The passing of the first generation of AMCS cavers,
those who were active in the 1960s, continues with the loss of Don
Broussard. Don was very involved in the exploration of the Sierra de El
Abra and Aquismón in San Luis Potosí in his early caving years. In the
1980s Don led efforts to explore and survey the Crevice in the deepest part
of Sótano de las Golondrinas. Has was also active in explorations in the
Huautla area of Oaxaca and the Purificación karst of Tamaulipas. ¡Vaya con
Oztotl, Don!”

John Fish remembers the time when he and Don returned to Ciudad Valles
after a crawlway trip in Sótano de la Tinaja. They emerged covered in mud.
When they returned to their rented room Don walked straight to the concrete
shower stall and proceeded to wash down his muddy clothes before stripping
and scrubbing himself down to the skin. That way he got all the mud off in
one session.

Bill Elliott is working on an index to Don’s name in all of the AMCS
newsletters and maps he participated in.  His name was on 47 maps in San
Luis Potosi and Tamaulipas alone. Don was involved with mapping Sótano del
Venadito, Tamps., from 1969 to 1998. He led the re-survey of the cave from
1989-1998, the longest project in the Sierra de El Abra.

Don’s family originally was from the Houston are

[Texascavers] Question

[James Jasek]

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[Texascavers] Don Broussard

[JAMES JASEK]

Wow, what a terrible shock. Don and I were good friends. Don was a really nice 
guy. I first met Don in 1969, on a trip to Carrizal and caved with with here in 
Texas. I will miss him.

James Jasek
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[Texascavers] Bill Mixion

[JAMES JASEK]

Since I live in Waco, I only met Bill Mixon a few times through the years at a 
TSA Convention or TCR, and when he came out to see what was happening at Kiwi 
Sink. Other than knowing Bill from the book reviews he published in the NSS 
News, and the AMCS publications he produced, my contact with him was of the 
literary nature. The massive amount of work he did for the TSA, AMCS, the TSS 
and almost every other literary phase of caving seemed almost humanly 
impossible for one person to accomplish. The editing and binding of the AMCS 
Activities Newsletter made this into a world class publication. He will be and 
is missed. One of the last things he did was to make his home available to the 
TSS as the new home of the TSS Library. The TSS Library now has a permanent 
home for the TSS Publications, Texas Caver, and maps which will protect those 
materials well into the future for next generations of cavers. Thank you very 
much Bill for all you did to enhance and preserve the literary history of Texas 
and Mexico.

James Jasek NSS 7248 FL

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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26

[James Jasek]

What about a nice plaque inside Whirlpool cave Indicating that William Russell 
pound dog out and explore just came I think that would be a nice tribute to him

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  2. Re: William (Bill Steele)
  3. Re: William (Charles Loving)
  4. Re: Bill Russell,newspaper articles and magazine covers
 (Charles Loving)
  5. Re: William (Katherine Arens)
  6. Re: William (Katherine Arens)
  7. Re: William (Jon Cradit)
  8. Re: William (Katherine Arens)
  9. Re: William (Nancy Weaver)
 10. Re: Bill Russell,newspaper articles and magazine covers
 (Andrew Gluesenkamp)
 11. Re: William (Cathy Winfrey)
 12. Bill Russell honors (Logan)
 13. Re: William (Katherine Arens)
 14. Re: Bill Russell honors (Bill Steele)
 15. Re: William (Cathy Winfrey)
 16. Peyton Abbott (David)
 17. Re: Peyton Abbott (PRESTON FORSYTHE)
 18. Re: Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers
 (PRESTON FORSYTHE)
 19. Re: Bill Russell,newspaper articles and magazine covers
 (John Brooks)
 20. Re: Bill Russell,newspaper articles and magazine covers
 (Bill Steele)
 21. Re: Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers (Logan)
 22. Re: Bill Russell,newspaper articles and magazine covers
 (John Brooks)
 23. Ernie and NSS Convention (Nancy Weaver)


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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:08:26 -0500
From: James Jasek 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] William
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Since William Russell discovered whirl pool cave not only discovered but dug 
out most of the cave I really think that in honor of Bill the cave should be 
renamed William Russell Cave or something of that nature

James Jasek

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From: Bill Steele 
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Good idea! 

Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com

> On Mar 26, 2019, at 11:08 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
> 
> Since William Russell discovered whirl pool cave not only discovered but dug 
> out most of the cave I really think that in honor of Bill the cave should be 
> renamed William Russell Cave or something of that nature
> 
> James Jasek
> 
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Good idea. Maybe a plaque of some kind???

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:44 AM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Good idea!
> 
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2019, at 11:08 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
>> 
>> Since William Russell discovered whirl pool cave not only discovered but
> dug out most of the cave I really think that in honor of Bill the cave
> should be renamed William Russell Cave or something of that nature
>> 
>> James Jasek
>> 
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[Texascavers] William

[James Jasek]

Since William Russell discovered whirl pool cave not only discovered but dug 
out most of the cave I really think that in honor of Bill the cave should be 
renamed William Russell Cave or something of that nature

James Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 57, Issue 23

[JAMES JASEK]

I uploaded images of William Russell to the Bev Shade site

James Jasek
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>   1. Bill Russell Picture by Mike McEachern (PRESTON FORSYTHE)
>   2. Bill Russell pix and tales (Katherine Arens)
>   3. Bill Russell at Terry Raines TickFest 1978? (tomas kyle)
>   4. Re: Bill Russell Picture by Mike McEachern (Nancy Weaver)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:32:25 + (UTC)
> From: PRESTON FORSYTHE 
> To: CaveTex 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Bill Russell Picture by Mike McEachern
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> Picture of Bill Russell by Mike McEachern sometime during the 1970's.
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> Bev Shade was kind enough to set up a place to share William stories 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GxtL_1pTtoK5gNJIObhPihCsTQHwnD4zTaQjhMnm7Y/edit?fbclid=IwAR3vVssypxOFOaGylYAo-MyvY4_zPLWIx-LeHEgP5DiLGeIZlWO3r0JgySo
> and photos
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WVCZKV2VuO6_2iAQkpG-3GRapXxz1wGM?fbclid=IwAR2414sQmCgq1KWaaq6ZSrttcgkJYz6K487V-w3dnlzU1c0qCDY31JWg1PY
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> would those of you who are posting photos on FB PLEASE upload high res copies 
> to this site.
> 
> thanks
> katie
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[Texascavers] William Russell

[James Jasek]

So very sad about William Russell. Now that he is in the ER I hope that he will 
recover and be able to go back home. 

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Re: [Texascavers] This day in speleo-history

[JAMES JASEK]

CaveTex is a cave related site not a place to discuss religion of politics

JJ

> On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:14 PM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Too set the record straight,  Easter is a pagan event known as Eshtar. 
> Celebration of fertility and all things new that the Spring brings. It was an 
> orgy of decadence and debauchery.
> Many Christian events took the dates of pagan celebrations.
> It is Palm Sunday to the Christian which begins the celebration of the King 
> of man. Passover for His children who have His mark. The deceiver can not 
> harm those who believe upon Him. This speaks of the second death. The death 
> of the soul. Those who believe upon Me shall have everlasting life. This is 
> the promise and the power of Yeshua. He did not cheat death as many think . 
> The death of this body is of no concern, we who hold the Savior in our heart 
> and mind merely vacate this clay pot and return to our spiritual being as did 
> Christ.
> To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
> He so loved His children that He gave His only begotten Son.
> The Passion.
> That is the meaning of this season.
> David, I'm kind of a different preacher. If that rendition of yours is a 
> stepping off point (as I interpreted) I will work with that.
> What I gleaned from your tale was a veiled query into the meaning of the Word.
> It's ok to believe dude, it's ok to tell the story how you understand it.
> It is in bad taste to make a parody of it but it ain't the unpardonable sin. 
> It ain't gonna get you gold trim on your linen gown but it ain't gonna keep 
> out of the here after either.
> 
> On Mar 30, 2018 7:18 PM, "Nancy Weaver"  wrote:
> pretty amusing.  Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] This day in speleo-history

[JAMES JASEK]

Thank you Charlie. David is a Sh*t head for posting this crap on a cave site. I 
had just rejoined Cave Tex and now I am considering dropping off again

JJ

> On Mar 30, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> Well David  Locklear that was about as negative a post as I have read. You 
> need to stay clear of religion. That was most insulting to anyone who 
> believes in Christ. If you want to be an atheist then say so but don't try to 
> make fun of other people's faith. It wasn't funny at all, and it made fun of 
> a Christian tradition. Easter is the holiest tradition and most important 
> celebration of Christianity religion. Mr theologist Locklear without the 
> three days there might not be Christianity. 
> 
> It just ,goes to prove a few things about the likes of David Locklear. You 
> are not a theologist in any way means or form. So please just dig a hole and 
> crawl in it or go and hide under a rock. That was out and out shameful.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:50 PM, David  wrote:
> Just for fun - please enjoy and don't get your knickers in a wad
> 
> 
> On this day, ( plus or minus a few weeks ) about 1,983 years ago ( plus or 
> minus 200 years )
> 
> An alleged man allegedly named Joseph of Arimathea, went to an alleged 
> shopkeeper and allegedly purchased
> 
> "The Shroud of Turin."
> 
> He allegedly wrapped a dead guy up that he found in the The Shroud of Turin 
> and allegedly placed him in a tiny cave.   ( Allegedly, this tiny cave was 
> just a carved out hole in the rock that Joseph of Arimathea had allegedly 
> made for his own corpse, as he allegedly sensed the banshees were coming for 
> him soon. 
> 
> Then Joseph allegedly disappeared for allegedly 60 hours ( presumably to 
> partake in a ritual, possibly related to Passover or spring harvest related 
> to barley ( a.k.a. beer  ),
> 
> and then Joseph of Arimathea allegedly returned to the alleged cave for some 
> unknown reason and then allegedly found the Shroud of Turin empty with an 
> alleged large blood stain on it exactly matching a photo-copy the alleged 
> dude that he thought he had wrapped in it.
> 
> Then after allegedly stashing away all his fresh barley juice in another 
> secret hole, he then allegedly ran 10 kilometers back to town to wake up the 
> dead man's mom and maybe even the dead man's wife, but they too were also 
> suffering the divine headache related to drinking too much barley juice.
> 
> They all allegedly claimed that never found the dead guy's body, and swore a 
> pact to never tell anyone that they all had had way way too much barley juice 
> that night.
> 
> This all has no relation to the Turing Computer.   That is another holiday.
> 
> Did I leave out anything ?
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 2017 related

[JAMES JASEK via Texascavers]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  Very good.

Jim

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Things to look forward to. David getting a sex robot to keep him occupied. 
> Maybe one that goes on imaginary caving trips and isn't estranged.
> 
> I've for one never had a beloved celebrity.
> I do not care one wit about virtual reality. Real, reality is bad enough.
> Video games are a waste of time. I do like the internet a lot but if it dies 
> and goes away my world won't collapse.
> 
> Let us look forward to more and bigger fires.
> Let us look forward to more and bigger and better hurricanes.
> Let us look forward to earthquakes.
> Let us look forward to droughts.
> Let us look forward to starvation.
> Let us look forward to really big blizzards.
> Let us look forward to tornado and severe storms with flash flood.
> Let us look forward to hundreds of extinctions of animals.
> Let us look forward to dead oceans, killed by plastic trash.
> Let us look forward to wars and terrorist attacks.
> Let us look forward to a huge solar flare that destroys the grid.
> Let us look forward to a pandemic.
> Let us look forward to a nuclear attack and world War III
> Let us look forward to the re-election of Donald Trump.
> 
> 
> And my  1995 13 inch TV still works well as does my Mac G-4.. hell my 128K 
> still works.
> Not a nickel for a cell phone from my house. I do not need any aps.
> 
> And how do you die unnaturally?
> 
> Anyway there are a lot of fun things to look forward to.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, JAMES JASEK via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> such crap
> 
> > On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:49 PM, David via Texascavers 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > This post is just an off-topic commentary, and probably is totally 
> > irrelevant, but I think some of it will affect caving in 2018 and beyond.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017 is starting to look like 2016 - just a faded memory.
> >
> > There are just 21 days until the big New Year's Eve parties.  The NSS is 
> > having one.  [  contact:  fennig...@gmail.com ]
> >
> > So it is almost time to reflect on the past 12 months, and ponder the 
> > future of 2018.
> >
> > Some of you may recall movies and books in the 1970s and 1980s about what 
> > 2018 would be like.   Some of us, are about to find out for ourselves, in 
> > person.
> >
> > https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1289962600l/4339742.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Do not believe the media.   There are things to look forward to in 2018.   
> > The computer and tech world is rapidly changing.   Tiny computers called 
> > SBC's ( like the RaspberyPi ) are going to be a huge opportunity for the 
> > folks that are into that.  Linux on the desktop computer is going to more 
> > user-friendly and work on more hardware.  [  I am working on a blog about 
> > that:
> >
> >  http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/12/linux-opinions.html?m=1.  ]
> >
> > Space companies are going to impress us with launches landings and videos.
> >
> > Sophia the Robot and her counterparts at Boston Dynamics  are going to do 
> > more fascinating stuff - probably baton-twirling while doing cartwheels, or 
> > tap-dancing with Fred Astaire moves, or moonwalking like Michael Jackson, 
> > or doing the splits while jiving like James Brown.
> >
> > Talking computers is going to be a big deal in 2018.
> >
> > The internet will continue to degrade with so many advertisments and 
> > censorship that it will be almost worthless.
> >
> > A million people will spend over $ 1,000 on their cell-phone plus 
> > accessories.
> >
> > Millions of people will waste money on a 4K tv in 2018.
> >
> > 2018 will be the end of 720p.
> >
> > Thousands of people are going to die un-naturally in The Middle East in 
> > 2018, but the same thing can be said of Texas just in car accidents.
> >
> > It is possible the first 100 feet of Trump's Wall will be built in 2018. I 
> > would favor a different approach, but my idea would be way too expensive.   
> > My idea is an artificial wildlife refuge barrier that is off-limits to all 
> > humans.
> >
> > The self-driving car will be seen by more people in 2018, and many rich 
> > folks will get a brief chance to ride in one.
> >
> > Banks are going to fight for survival in 2018.  There will be far less 
> > human tellers, and none by 2020.
> >
> > Grocery stores will become more automated to.
> >
> > Hundreds of brick-n-mortar stores will close nationwide in 2018

Re: [Texascavers] 2017 related

[JAMES JASEK via Texascavers]

such crap

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:49 PM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This post is just an off-topic commentary, and probably is totally 
> irrelevant, but I think some of it will affect caving in 2018 and beyond.
> 
> 
> 
> 2017 is starting to look like 2016 - just a faded memory.
> 
> There are just 21 days until the big New Year's Eve parties.  The NSS is 
> having one.  [  contact:  fennig...@gmail.com ]
> 
> So it is almost time to reflect on the past 12 months, and ponder the future 
> of 2018.
> 
> Some of you may recall movies and books in the 1970s and 1980s about what 
> 2018 would be like.   Some of us, are about to find out for ourselves, in 
> person.
> 
> https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1289962600l/4339742.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> Do not believe the media.   There are things to look forward to in 2018.   
> The computer and tech world is rapidly changing.   Tiny computers called 
> SBC's ( like the RaspberyPi ) are going to be a huge opportunity for the 
> folks that are into that.  Linux on the desktop computer is going to more 
> user-friendly and work on more hardware.  [  I am working on a blog about 
> that:  
> 
>  http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/12/linux-opinions.html?m=1.  ]
> 
> Space companies are going to impress us with launches landings and videos.
> 
> Sophia the Robot and her counterparts at Boston Dynamics  are going to do 
> more fascinating stuff - probably baton-twirling while doing cartwheels, or 
> tap-dancing with Fred Astaire moves, or moonwalking like Michael Jackson, or 
> doing the splits while jiving like James Brown.
> 
> Talking computers is going to be a big deal in 2018.
> 
> The internet will continue to degrade with so many advertisments and 
> censorship that it will be almost worthless.
> 
> A million people will spend over $ 1,000 on their cell-phone plus accessories.
> 
> Millions of people will waste money on a 4K tv in 2018.   
> 
> 2018 will be the end of 720p.
> 
> Thousands of people are going to die un-naturally in The Middle East in 2018, 
> but the same thing can be said of Texas just in car accidents.
> 
> It is possible the first 100 feet of Trump's Wall will be built in 2018. I 
> would favor a different approach, but my idea would be way too expensive.   
> My idea is an artificial wildlife refuge barrier that is off-limits to all 
> humans.
> 
> The self-driving car will be seen by more people in 2018, and many rich folks 
> will get a brief chance to ride in one.
> 
> Banks are going to fight for survival in 2018.  There will be far less human 
> tellers, and none by 2020.
> 
> Grocery stores will become more automated to.
> 
> Hundreds of brick-n-mortar stores will close nationwide in 2018.
> 
> Millions of people will make minimum wage working for on-line retail stores 
> and doing home deliveries.
> 
> Millions of young poeple will become obssesed with playing video games and 
> social media on their gadgets.   Some of that will be exploring the new 
> trends in Virtual Reality ( VR ). 
> 
> There will be sadness in 2018.  We may lose a close friend, and likely there 
> will be a beloved celebrity pass away.  Probably not Dick Van Dyke.  That guy 
> will probably live to see 2025.
> 
> I can only hope that I go in a fun cave in 2018, and make it to the TSA 
> Spring Convention, the NSS Convention, TCR, and my quest to drive my Sequioa 
> in the Sierra Madres and to see The Real Milky Way, and that someone finds a 
> cure for E.D.  
> 
> I hope 2018 is the best year ever, not just for me, but for the whole human 
> race ( except for a handful of my enemies - most of whom are attorneys or 
> criminals or both ).
> 
> I will let someone else elaborate in more detail, and explain how all of this 
> will affect caves and caving.
> 
> David Locklear
> dlocklea...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trippin 102 - 2018 Gangnam Style

[JAMES JASEK via Texascavers]

:)


> On Dec 2, 2017, at 5:29 PM, John Brooks via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> TCR 2018:
> 
> MUD WRESTLING GRUDGE MATCH :
> 
> DAVID "Bockbeer" LOCKLEAR VS CHARLIE "OMW" LOVING
> 
> For the Sierra Madre Traveling Championship of MUD Wrestling !
> 
> The TCMA should monetize betting as a fund raising project.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 4:52 PM, David via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is an opportunity for an experienced traveler to write an article 
>> describing technique and procedure tips for a 2018 road-trip aimed at 
>> Millenials.
>> 
>> It is my opinion that things are much different than they were in the 1980s, 
>> when I was doing most of my travelling.
>> 
>> Unlike Mr. Loving's born-gifted and lucky old-school curmedgeon approach, I 
>> feel a little modern over-thinking helps. 
>> 
>> We now have the ability using the newest smartphones and GPS and the 
>> internet to plan trip details in advance.
>> 
>> Having a front-seat passenger work as Official Navigator-Person ( ONP ) is a 
>> huge help to a succesful road-trip.  Watching for road-hazards, studying the 
>> map, working the dashboard controls, feeding grapes to the driver, etc.
>> 
>> Traffic has become so congested near cities that driving is no longer fun.   
>>  The much higher ratio of a**h*le drivers has increased tenfold.  Having a 
>> navigator watch the road with a second pair of eyes and work the Waze App is 
>> a huge help.  Those one-horse towns with hidden traffic cops are just 
>> ludicrous ( most of Hwy. 59 South of Victoria. )
>> 
>> Driving at night is easier now with the 20,000 lumen light accessories one 
>> can add to the roof and bumper.  And it is so easy now to carry a spare 
>> hand-held spotlight.
>> 
>> Going on a road-trip in 2018 without satelite radio is ludicrous.  Having to 
>> drag all those CDs is so 2012.   The bare minimum is to have your smartphone 
>> music app tie into the radio.
>> 
>> And you MUST have a smartphone bluetooth speaker. 
>> 
>> Good beverages are needed for passengers who are not driving.  Smirnoff Ice 
>> does the trick.
>> 
>> Sitting up high in traffic helps, but you have to be aware of the increased 
>> chances of rolling the vehicle in an accident.
>> 
>> I do not believe you should draw atrention to yourself with a fancy vehicle. 
>>   All that shiny chrome stuff and sparkly-glittery metallic paint  is for 
>> quasi-road-trippers.
>> 
>> That being said, meth-heads will steal anything they can find from you.
>> 
>> So now the question is 
>> 
>> Is there anywhere still safe to boondocking ?  In the states, we would carry 
>> shotguns.  But you can't even carry a water-pistol in Mexico. 
>> 
>> I think we all agree that travelling in groups is safer. [ Sidenote:   But 
>> it did not help those 43 students in Ayotzinapa.  However, my bet is they 
>> were most likely throwing moltovs at the cops.]
>> 
>> I think all gringos have just avoided western Mexico and hot-spots like 
>> Guerrero.  Which is sad because the caving potential there is enormous.
>> 
>> It is really hard now to get a new vehicle with a standard transmission in a 
>> passenger rated vehicle.  Automatics are now more efficient and tow better.  
>> The cost of replacement of a new tansmission is astronomical.
>> 
>> Diesels now require DEF.  Possibly a good reason to buy a 2001 Ford 
>> Excursion.  Who wants to protect the air we breath ??
>> 
>> Another thing to consider is rhe ice-chest. Do you really need a YETI-like 
>> box ?   If so what size ?
>> 
>> How can you haul everything if you don't have a Ford Excursion ??
>> 
>> Having LED lights underneath your vehicle helps drivers see you.
>> 
>> And having a dashcam to record the wacky moments is fun.  Like near-fatal 
>> javelina misses.
>> 
>> Feel free to elaborate.
>> 
>> I would like to add that in Mexico small motels might let you take a shower 
>> or rent the room for just an hour.  To get off the road and rest.
>> 
>> There was a motel in Anahauc , north of Bustamante that I used to do that.  
>> Who wants to drive for 10 hours and go thru customs covered in dusty guano 
>> or worse wet-sticky guano?
>> 
>> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] A TRIBUTE TO BOCKBEER

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Really funny

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On Dec 1, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 wrote:

The game the five caver dogs are playing is "BARK".  Whenever something moves 
anywhere-a leaf in the wind, a bird flying by, a triceratops charging out of 
the garage-the first one to bark gets five points. The second one to bark gets 
four points, the third barker gets three points and so on. Whoever has the most 
points at the end of the game is the winner. WHENEVER YOU SEE TWO OR MORE DOGS 
BARKING SOMEWHERE, ODDS ARE PRETTY GOOD THEY ARE PLAYING "BARK." 

One of the dogs is shaped like a Frankfurter so it must belong to Edgier.

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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

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I cant travel but thank you very much. 

Jim

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On Nov 13, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
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Come camp with us. Take caver people photos.

Bill 

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 3:04 PM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill
> 
> Thanks for inviting me, but with my current heart condition i am unable to 
> go. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
> 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Texas cavers:
> 
> DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring Creek 
> Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to finishing. 
> 
> Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to join 
> us. We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at 9:00 a.m. 
> that Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be rented from a 
> dive shop. 
> 
> The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route, 
> but swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls. A 
> map will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall 
> waterfall, a scenic destination. 
> Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally 
> waterproof container. 
> 
> Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring 
> campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.
> 
> Questions? Ask. 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

Bill

Thanks for inviting me, but with my current heart condition i am unable to go. 

Jim

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On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
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Texas cavers:

DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring Creek 
Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to finishing. 

Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to join us. 
We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at 9:00 a.m. that 
Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be rented from a dive shop. 

The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route, but 
swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls. A map 
will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall waterfall, a 
scenic destination. 
Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally 
waterproof container. 

Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring 
campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.

Questions? Ask. 

Bill Steele 
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Re: [Texascavers] Jimmy Walker

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

Very interesting rite up

Jim

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On Nov 11, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Carl Kunath via Texascavers 
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Jimmy Walker.
 
With heavy heart and a sense of considerable personal loss I report to you that 
Texas has lost one of the pioneer
members of its caving community. Jimmy Walker passed away October 12, 2017 age 
90 after a short final illness.  It
was my honor to be counted as one of his friends.
 
Many of you may now be confused and asking "who?"  Take a look at page 33 in 50 
Years of Texas Caving to see
Jimmy in action.  Also see page 25 for an iconic view of Devil's Sinkhole with 
Jimmy holding aloft a safety flare.
 
<10-2001%20adjusted%20-%20Jimmy%20and%20Carol%20Walker%20(2)%20(Large)[3].jpg>
 
 
Jimmy's prime caving days were in the 1950s with others of the era such as Bob 
Hudson, James Papadakis, Preston
McMichael, Bob and Bart Crisman, and the enigmatic Frank Nicholson.  Jimmy's 
caving exploits while substantial,
were but a small part of his life. He was a skillful writer.  During his caving 
career, he wrote several short stories that
were published in the "adventure" magazines of the time such as "I Fell Into 
The Lost Cavern" that was set at Cascade
Caverns.  A later book, Win, A Casino Survival Guide is much more than the 
title would suggest. 
 
Jimmy was an accomplished photographer and consummate painter.  His paintings 
were photo-realistic and he
trademarked the term "Absolute Realism."
 

 
Jimmy and his wife, Carol, were world famous collectors of pressing irons and 
for several years they published Iron Talk,
a bi-monthly newsletter.  In 2004, when their collection of 1,700 irons was 
sold at auction, it took several days to disburse
the collection.
 

 
Jimmy had a professional career as a magician and partnered with Walter Blaney, 
a sometimes caving companion.  See
page 318 of 50 Years for a picture of them in the Lower Cave at Carlsbad 
Caverns.
 
Jimmy was one of the early explorers at Caverns of Sonora and was with Preston 
McMichael for the first explorations
of Deep Cave.  Here is a photo of Jimmy and  his wife, Carol, in the early days 
at Caverns of Sonora.
 

 
 
This short memorial does not do justice to the incredible depth and 
multi-faceted personality of Jimmy Walker. 
Moreover, this is the kind of thing that should appear in a nice newsletter 
such as the now moribund Texas Caver. 
This bulletin board is a poor substitute.
 
We are diminished.
 
===Carl Kunath

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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

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Great story



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On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 wrote:

In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside Midnight 
Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in the lore of 
the Carta Valley cavers.

Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 Years of 
Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
It is better than my synopsis below. 

LowGun

The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick Lucas 
a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members of the 
team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had pushed 
through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section of the 
cave.

The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and 
pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up with 
Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the bottom of 
the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay and 
consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and Orion. A 
brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight coming through the 
new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

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Thank you Don for all your hard work

Jim

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On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
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Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good! 
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
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Re: [Texascavers] [Free Carbide @ TCR]

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Don. 

Mimi and I planned to come to TCR this year. I’m having heart problems and 
can’t go out of town 😢

Jim

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Bring a carbide light get two free fills of carbide!

--Don



(No giant lamps please, I’m not giving you a gallon of carbide because you’re a 
smartass)



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Re: [Texascavers] Tom and Janie White

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Gas stations in Waco Texas are out of gas

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Everyone,

We talked to Tom on the phone yesterday.  They have been in Seguin and will be 
moving to Corpus in a couple of days.  When they are eventually able to do so, 
they will make trips into Rockport to take care of the house.  The house did 
not get boarded up and there are some windows knocked out.  Some of their 
neighbors are helping them out.  Tom and Janie are doing fine.  I hope that we 
stay in touch with them and I will post updates here.

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Re: [Texascavers] CAVERS

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

Excellent cartoons

Jim

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-- 
Charlie Loving



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Re: [Texascavers] Underground chamber world’s fourth largest - La Muñeca Fea in Puebla, Mexico :

[JAMES JASEK via Texascavers]

How do I place an order for #40

Jim
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is an article on scanning that room in the new AMCS Activities 
> Newsletter 40, and there will be another one in number 41 next year 
> (advertisement). 396 meters long, 242 m wide, and 225 m high. Volume 5.9 
> million cubic meters. -- Mixon
> 
> Nature is a hanging judge.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
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Re: [Texascavers] Underground chamber world’s fourth largest - La Muñeca Fea in Puebla, Mexico :

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

Wow!  What a fantastic find. Thanks for posting 

James Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] Topo maps

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

Pete. 

I forgot to mention I use Google Earth to locate caves then write down the GPS. 
I use decimal GPS

Then got to the Topo Map app and plug in the gps. To do this plug on the revers 
gps. West then north. The app will then place a pin on the topo sheet. Then you 
can name it

Jim

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The message was meant for Pete but here is the app

http://topomapsapp.com

It is only make for the iPhone

James Jasek
> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Morgan Kainu via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is the map app? New to these email threads and hoping to learn more!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Morgan Kainu - Denton, TX
> 
> On Jun 1, 2017 5:14 PM, "James Jasek via Texascavers" 
>  wrote:
> Pete
> 
> Did you try the map app I suggested. What do you think of the app.
> 
> Jim
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Topo maps

[JAMES JASEK via Texascavers]

The message was meant for Pete but here is the app

http://topomapsapp.com

It is only make for the iPhone

James Jasek
> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Morgan Kainu via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is the map app? New to these email threads and hoping to learn more!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Morgan Kainu - Denton, TX
> 
> On Jun 1, 2017 5:14 PM, "James Jasek via Texascavers" 
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> Pete
> 
> Did you try the map app I suggested. What do you think of the app.
> 
> Jim
> 
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[Texascavers] Topo maps

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Pete

Did you try the map app I suggested. What do you think of the app. 

Jim

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Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

It is more or less like he is the only one posting on CaveTex and is the reason 
I got off. 

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On Jun 1, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Louise Power via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I thought you said a couple of years ago that you were going to quit emailing 
because nobody answered. Now nobody is answering the blog. Does this tell you 
something? 



 
From: Texascavers  on behalf of David via 
Texascavers 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:57 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?
 
I have decided to give blogging another try.My previous attempts failed
miserably to annoy anybody.

I am not sure how you find me on a blog, but I think the link below shows 10
post that I blogged over the last 4 years.

 https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=6768672593579462012
Blogger
www.blogger.com
Free weblog publishing tool from Google, for sharing text, photos and video.



Below is an example of a post that I added to my blog I today.

   
http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/06/mageia-6-release-candidate-may-2017.html

I should I have another blog out there somewhere on the web that I have not 
used in years, from
before the blog above started.


The NSS Convention is just 19 days away. In order for me to attend that I 
would want to leave
Houston by Thursday the 15th, or Friday the 16th.  But knowing my past 
attempts, I will probably
leave late, and arrive late.

I have some new drama this year that I did not have on my road-trip to Nevada 
last summer.   I ma
living in a motel, and it would be stupid to pay for a motel here in Houston, 
during the days I am out
of town.While that would only be about $ 280 thrown away, it is still just 
stupid.  Moving out of the
motel, would be complicated as I have most of my stuff here just as I would in 
a furnished apartment,
It would take a full-day to pack up and store all my stuff in storage.That 
would just be inconvenient,
as I would have to repeat the process when coming back.Plus I do not want 
to lose this particular 
room as it is the best one in the motel.My next issue is 2 shyster 
customers ripped me off and it
is starting to look like I am going to lose about $ 1,400.My next issue, is 
my gas-guzzling Seqouia
needs lots of maintenance. If I were a betting person, I would bet that I 
do not make it to the Howdy
Party this year.  So realistically, I need to lower my expectations, and 
just try to attend the Tuesday
festivities only and just get a Day Pass.

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] GPS Navigation gadgets

[JAMES JASEK via Texascavers]

I use an app in my iPhone called Topo Maps: It really is a fantastic app as you 
can load in any Topo Maps of all of American and it is just part of the app. 
Maps can be loaded as a small map, but I recommend using the full topo maps. 
This way the map  can be enlarged to see full detail.


The app was developed by Phil Endecott, a  Brit, and he does some caving and is 
an avid backpacker. He also replies to all emails. The app is fantastic and 
very very complete and will allow you to record cave locations. When maps are 
loaded in you can go from map to map seamless .

http://topomapsapp.com

There is more in this app than I can describe. Look hat the site I sent

James  Jasek


> On May 30, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Louise Power via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> I may be (definitely am) old fashioned, but I still trust paper more than 
> electronics.
> 
> Louise
> 
> 
> From: Texascavers  on behalf of Charles 
> Loving via Texascavers 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:17 AM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Cc: Charles Loving
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] GPS Navigation gadgets
>  
> Thank the gods some one can use maps. When Kim Jung Ding Batt destroyed the 
> GPS system.
> 
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:52 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via 
> Texascavers wrote:
> Hey, topos are still in style. That is all I use. A topo with a cave location 
> is the simplest thing.
> 
> You have not navigated until the one klick grid is solid green and no contour 
> lines or blue lines and your life depended on knowing where your were. Ask me 
> how we did it and I will tell you a story at the NM convention coming up fast.
> 
> 
> Preston in KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 10:58 AM, Pete Lindsley via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Charles and David: I thought Navigon was a bit pricy, particularly since long 
> ago I had purchased iHike, following many years of use of MacGPS Pro on a 
> Mac. [https://www.ihikegps.com/]  "No charges for Maps…Ever" . Download your 
> maps when you have internet access. Take track logs and set waypoints in the 
> field, and if you missed a map you can download it later to see where that 
> new-found cave waypoint is located. Sailors will be interested in a related 
> IOS application called iSail. Larry James does a great job updating his apps 
> and listens to his user's suggestions.
> 
>  - Pete
> 
> On May 28, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers wrote:
> 
> I'd suggest using your smartphone, and IMHO, google maps is superior to 
> anything else, including the dedicated ones.  The fact that it's always 
> updating and you can send corrections as well is great.
> 
> It will do offline mapping, but it isn't the best at that.  I do keep another 
> app on my iPhone as a backup that has offline maps, Navigon.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> This may surprise the young cavers, but just about 5 years ago, most cavers 
> did not have any kind of street navigation gadget in their cars.
> 
> I can only guess that 40% either have a dedicated navigation gadget in their 
> car,  or they mount their large smartphone or phablets in a bracket.
> 
> I hope to purchase a dedicated navigation gadget this week.
> 
> Anybody have any tips ?
> 
> Is a touch-screen an important feature ?
> 
> Is a slim model an important feature ?
> 
> Does brand matter ?
> 
> Why not just get a 2nd phone line ?
> 
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: confirm f39a4430a4ffda5599000ba83bae9be3cd88f4cd

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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: confirm f39a4430a4ffda5599000ba83bae9be3cd88f4cd

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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: confirm f39a4430a4ffda5599000ba83bae9be3cd88f4cd

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Re: [SWR] Poll (list related) not cave but caver related...

[James Jasek]

I use Cable Modem and iPhone 5S Internal WiFi only never public

Jim
On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:

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> Reply to me and not the list...
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Memorial Museum demise

[James Jasek]

If this is true there is no way to stop the project. I hope the museum contents 
will be preserved 

Jim

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> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Word is that the property the museum sits on is slated to become another 
> parking lot.  That's a goo money maker (so close to the stadium).   Who says 
> athletics doesn't rob from academics?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
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>> Amen to that.  To those of you who are mad you can no longer park free 
>> anywhere at UT, this is another innovation of the current regime:  our 
>> facilities are "underutilized" and need to be charged "at current rates."  
>> So the little guys get nickled and dimed to death, and the state of Texas 
>> loses important resources and resource stewardship.  Real Americans pay for 
>> their parking, you see . . .(how's the parking at A&M?)
>> k
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't it also be productive to look into a different funding source? 
>>> Money is tight in all areas of academia these days, and especially in the 
>>> sciences. Why not try going straight to the politicians there in Austin, 
>>> they're the ones that control how much money winds up at UT and the College 
>>> of Natural Sciences?
>>> 
>>> Diana
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Ron Ralph wrote:
>>> 
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 How did it go giving the petition to Dean Hicke?
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Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award

[James Jasek]

Tom was pretty much the Historian for the TSA, and he had a massive collection 
of memorabilia of caving, photography, postcards, literature of Texas and New 
Mexico in his collection. 

Collecting cave history was a passion for Tom. Since collecting an maintaing 
caving history is our window to the past, I feel the Tom Meador Award should be 
designed to encourage the collection of Texas  caving history. 

Tom was a personal friend and a really good fellow.

James Jasek

On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:37 PM, George Veni  wrote:

> I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things 
> about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new 
> cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be 
> named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm 
> in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. 
> If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and 
> creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more 
> appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone
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> 
> 
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>  Original message 
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> Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) 
> To: Harvey DuChene  
> Cc: Bill Bentley ,s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman 
> ,"jen ."  
> Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award 
> 
> 
> 
> good idea, Harv!
> DirtDoc
> From: "Harvey DuChene" 
> To: "Bill Bentley" , "Steve Peerman" 
> Cc: s...@caver.net, "jen ." 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins "Chuck Stuehm Award"at 
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Re: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell

[James Jasek]

I have caved with Bob many many times in the past years, and listened to his 
fantastic stories from his life in the Air Force. All wonderful memories of a 
good friend. 

James Jasek
On Oct 5, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Mike Burrell  wrote:

> I heard that Bob died this morning. We should all celebrate his life by going 
> caving, cooking something delicious, drinking a tasty irish beverage and 
> telling tales of adventure into the night.
> Bob was one of the most truly ethical people I have ever met!
> Always there when people (or animals) needed help.
> We should all strive to be more like Bob Cowell.
> 
> Mike Burrell
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Re: [Texascavers] Recent accidents

[James Jasek]

Also, AGE

Jim
On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> A thorough analysis reveals that all of these recent accidents had one thing 
> in common:  gender.
> 
> Alex Sproul, Sept 2013:  falls off ladder
> 
> Gill Ediger, Aug 2013:  falls into pit
> 
> Dwight Deal, June 2013:  falls off ladder
> 
> Pete Strickland, Sept 2012:  falls in bathroom
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Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

Yup! Agree. Solo requires planning and caution. It is unsafe but so is caving 
with a group. 

Jim

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On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:52 PM,  wrote:

> Just a couple of quotes that come to mind.
> 
> 
> "  Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous than 
> deliberately accepting risks "
> 
> Wilber Wright 1901
> 
> 
> 
> "There have been joys too great to be described in words, and there have been 
> griefs upon which I have not dared to dwell, and with these in mind I say, 
> solo cave if you will, but remember that courage and strength are naught 
> without prudence, and that a momentary negligence may destroy the happiness 
> of a lifetime. Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the 
> beginning think what may be the end."
> 
> Adapted from quote by  Edward Whymper
> 
> 
> 
> Rune
> 
> -Original Message- From: James Jasek
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:20 PM
> To: TexasCavers Tex
> Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
> 
> What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about 
> solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to 
> 1000 feet crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

It really goes without say anyone doing a solo trip make the necessary surface 
precautions to come looking for you after a prescribed time period. 

Even at time time the caver is to be out of the cave, it will be a fairly long 
time before a rescue is started. 

The trick is not have an accident. This sounds dumb, but think of the hundreds 
of times we have gone caving without a single problem. 

Solo is different? Only different in that one is alone. Every move, every step 
I make is calculated in a slow deliberate manner. I never jump, watch my head 
clearance, and pay attention where I am all the time in the cave. I never take 
the slightest risk, but them again I cave this way even today. 

Is solo safe? No!

Jim 


 

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On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Steve Keselik  wrote:

> While this thread is still running I would like to reiterate,if you're going 
> to do some thing adventurous solo from caving,climbing,boating,hiking,biking 
> ,back country sking to useing a chain saw,leave a detailed note somewhere and 
> if you can have a contact person to call on your return all the better. A few 
> clues are better than none.And always wear a PFD on the water it saves a lot 
> of effort on the rescue/recovery team.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Louise Power  
> wrote:
>> Love it. One Xmas/New Years trip to a cave in Mexico, my friend Michael and 
>> I and our half dozen newbies got caught in a bat exodus which lasted more 
>> than 45 min. We tried hunkering down in side passages trying to keep from 
>> getting pooped on--not entirely successfully.
>>  
>> > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:25:32 -0400
>> > To: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; ca...@caver.net
>> > From: pw...@dca.net
>> > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
>> 
>> > 
>> > Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the 
>> > Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers 
>> > there anymore, but did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed 
>> > in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave 
>> > I figured I could at least check it out.
>> > 
>> > So I drove up the valley, parked and walked across the field to the 
>> > cave entrance which was a large walk-in with standing water in the 
>> > entrance. Several cows were sheltering just inside. I crossed the 
>> > entrance and began hands and knees crawling the meandering stream 
>> > bed. I had 3 sources of light, etc., etc., but I do know I did not 
>> > feel entirely comfortable.
>> > 
>> > After about an hour of crawling the passage seem to be getting 
>> > smaller and I was getting tired. Then I turned the next corner and 
>> > someone had left a small red & white sign on the side saying "How 
>> > sweet it is!". I laughed and turned around to go out.
>> > 
>> > As I near the water in the front I heard what sounded like a large 
>> > flying something coming from inside the cave and getting closer and 
>> > closer. I really, really was creeped out thinking it a huge bat or 
>> > something. It was an owl and its wings were echoing off the walls 
>> > magnifying the sound.
>> > 
>> > I've never soloed again.
>> > 
>> > Phil
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Re: [Texascavers] Solo

[James Jasek]

Yes the thread has morphed into something else, but finally, after those who 
condemned it, rightfully so, those cavers who have and are still doing solo 
caving have contributed really good material. 
Thank you.
Solo caving can be divided into three main parts. Those who seek out a cave to 
explore on their own for whatever reason right or wrong. Then there is one 
aspect of solo caving many cavers are involved in today: Route finding and 
there are many risks. The last is solo vertical climbing deep drops to exit the 
cave.  It is solo, but others are coming up and can offer help of needed. 

In ready the submitted solo trips, some solo on side a large cave is spur of 
the moment rather than planned. Such as checking a lead and being gone from the 
group for hours. 

I am not here to judge right or wrong. My interest was to find out what other 
cavers do while underground. 

To me a lot of solo caving depends in how comfortable you are with the cave. 
Good examples are Robber Baron and Amazing Maze. One caver is very comfortable 
with Whirlpool Cave. There are other cave that qualify

Do I solo? Yes!

None of recommend others do solo caving as we all know it has many unknown risks

I thank everyone who sent in their experiences

Jim





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On Sep 16, 2013, at 5:10 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

> Solo
>  
> I have found this to be a rather interesting thread.
>  
> James' question, which started all this, was " What is the general feeling 
> regarding solo caving?"
>  
> That seems to have morphed into "Why would anyone go caving alone?"  And 
> finally into folks actually describing some of their solo experiences.
>  
> "Why would you cave alone?" has as many answers as there are cavers who have 
> been caving by themselves.
>  
> Usually, when I have been asked that question, it has been from someone who 
> cannot comprehend (and usually appalled by) someone who would go off by 
> themselves, especially in or into a cave.
>  
> To those of you who have seriously asked why someone would cave alone, this 
> is a sincere effort to reply.  Not really to explain.   Certainly not to 
> justify.
>  
> Hold this thought:
>  
> What is unknown and therefore fearful for one person may be rather 
> commonplace for another.
>  
> Cavers, in particular, should understand this.  Is there anyone reading this 
> who has not been asked "Why do you DO that?"  Caves are DARK.  Caves are 
> DANGEROUS.  In the mud and the cold?  There is no light in there!
>  
> Those of us comfortable at being alone in a cave often do not talk about it, 
> even when asked. There is that stigma attached by those who do not understand.
>  
> There is a huge difference between attempting to answer the question and to 
> encourage or invite someone to go off alone in a cave or to glorify caving by 
> themselves.  I feel that to encourage or glorify is unethical, dangerous, and 
> perhaps even criminal. We are correct to advise others to cave in a group.
>  
> There is also a big difference between the kind of experience beyond the 
> Turtle Hurdles that Pete and I described and the kind of time spent by the 
> Collins and Boons of the world.  And by Jack Lehrberger or Bill Austin (the 
> manager of Floyd Collins Crystal Cave in the 50s and 60s) and other  "secret" 
> cavers seeking discoveries that are "theirs", and theirs alone.  The solo 
> experiences described on this thread, more in line with what James was 
> inquiring about, are of shorter duration and less technically demanding than 
> really serious solo exploration of a major cave system.  They are usually 
> fun, at least when they start out.
>  
> Sometimes there is a commercial interest.  For some, it is the personal 
> challenge: "I can do that!" (A little chest-pounding?)  A few cavers are just 
> uncomfortable around other people. Some have sought comfort from other 
> pressures in life by hiding out somewhere comfortable for them - a few have 
> found that spot in a cave. 
>  
> I can best speak from my own experiences.  As a young geologist-mountaineer I 
> became comfortable being alone in remote mountain and desert wilderness.  I 
> did not think I was driven by the desire to be alone.   I wanted to go 
> somewhere and see something particular and there was no one around with a 
> similar interest.  And I liked to explore.  It was fun to be somewhere new 
> and to see sights from an unusual perspective.  I had learned the skills, 
> possessed the equipment, and used forethought and planning.   It became 
> commonplace for me to be alone in the wilderness.  I had a great time.
>  
> I felt  that I was at less risk there than I was when riding my bicycle down 
> the streets of Laramie - or any town or city.  Lew Bicking and I had a 
> discussion about that, just the two of us (not quite alone), in the Guadalupe 
> Mountains of New Mexico, shortly before he was killed on an eastern roadway.
>  
> I remember standing, very alone, high in the Rocky Mountains

Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

Thank you. I raised you right. I was there when you crawled into this hell hole 
of mud in tight breakdown in Kiwi. Your mom and me were helping with the dig. 
When you came you told me not to go in there. You were covered in wet mud

Your father :)

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On Sep 16, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Amy Jasek  wrote:

> It isn't *really* solo, but the only time I have been in the cave at Kiwi I 
> explored a little by myself. One of the diggers working inside was kind 
> enough to tell me what to expect. I headed for an upper room and ended up 
> belly crawling in wet muck - I was so hungover I felt like I was going to die 
> and all I could think was "why the HELL am I doing this?!" I couldn't just 
> turn around & go right back after that journey so I poked around in the room 
> for a while, but the whole time it occurred to me what a terrible thing it 
> was for me to be alone there and I needed to be extremely careful. Somebody 
> raised me with a strong sense of safety I guess. Going ahead of the rest of 
> the group a little bit, or having some moments of total silence & darkness 
> while helping with photography is enough for me! I did like grubbing around 
> in the brush for hours by myself at TCR last year though.
> 
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> On Sep 16, 2013, at 2:01 PM, James Jasek  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. Cool account if the solo trip. Made me feel as if I was there. This 
>> is more or less the type if cave I was asking about as to a easy cave to do 
>> a solo trip.  
>> 
>> Others have contributed solo trips I feel are well beyond what I was asking 
>> about. Being alone in the water crawl is an easy place to scare you good due 
>> to noises.  
>> 
>> I have enjoyed the really interesting solo trips cavers have admitted to. At 
>> first all I got was the absolute negative but everyone is beginning to 
>> loosen up. 
>> 
>> Yes. Solo is risky to life thrusting but the point was to find out what 
>> others have done. It has been very interesting
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Jim
>> 
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>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Phil Winkler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the Christmas 
>>> holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers there anymore, but 
>>> did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves 
>>> of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave I figured I could at least 
>>> check it out.
>>> 
>>> So I drove up the valley, parked and walked across the field to the cave 
>>> entrance which was a large walk-in with standing water in the entrance. 
>>> Several cows were sheltering just inside. I crossed the entrance and began 
>>> hands and knees crawling the meandering stream bed. I had 3 sources of 
>>> light, etc., etc., but I do know I did not feel entirely comfortable.
>>> 
>>> After about an hour of crawling the passage seem to be getting smaller and 
>>> I was getting tired. Then I turned the next corner and someone had left a 
>>> small red & white sign on the side saying "How sweet it is!". I laughed and 
>>> turned around to go out.
>>> 
>>> As I near the water in the front I heard what sounded like a large flying 
>>> something coming from inside the cave and getting closer and closer. I 
>>> really, really was creeped out thinking it a huge bat or something. It was 
>>> an owl and its wings were echoing off the walls magnifying the sound.
>>> 
>>> I've never soloed again.
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

Thanks. Cool account if the solo trip. Made me feel as if I was there. This is 
more or less the type if cave I was asking about as to a easy cave to do a solo 
trip.  

Others have contributed solo trips I feel are well beyond what I was asking 
about. Being alone in the water crawl is an easy place to scare you good due to 
noises.  

I have enjoyed the really interesting solo trips cavers have admitted to. At 
first all I got was the absolute negative but everyone is beginning to loosen 
up. 

Yes. Solo is risky to life thrusting but the point was to find out what others 
have done. It has been very interesting

Thank you
Jim

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On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Phil Winkler  wrote:

> Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the Christmas 
> holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers there anymore, but 
> did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of 
> Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave I figured I could at least check it 
> out.
> 
> So I drove up the valley, parked and walked across the field to the cave 
> entrance which was a large walk-in with standing water in the entrance. 
> Several cows were sheltering just inside. I crossed the entrance and began 
> hands and knees crawling the meandering stream bed. I had 3 sources of light, 
> etc., etc., but I do know I did not feel entirely comfortable.
> 
> After about an hour of crawling the passage seem to be getting smaller and I 
> was getting tired. Then I turned the next corner and someone had left a small 
> red & white sign on the side saying "How sweet it is!". I laughed and turned 
> around to go out.
> 
> As I near the water in the front I heard what sounded like a large flying 
> something coming from inside the cave and getting closer and closer. I 
> really, really was creeped out thinking it a huge bat or something. It was an 
> owl and its wings were echoing off the walls magnifying the sound.
> 
> I've never soloed again.
> 
> Phil
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

Thank you for the interesting history of you past and early caving years. 

Jim

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On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Diana Tomchick  
wrote:

> I don't get much time to discuss caving with people where I work, but last 
> week I had someone in my office that was admiring the Speleoprojects 
> postcards I had posted on my outer door (I save these from their calendar 
> every year, and post them in rotation as my mood changes). It turned out that 
> she was yet another person who claimed to suffer from claustrophobia and cto 
> have fears that the cave might collapse on her, and thus would never be 
> enticed into caving. Ten hours underground for most people would not be 
> designated as "pure fun".
> 
> Whenever I hear someone talk about claustrophobia I find I have to restrain 
> myself from discussing my first "solo" caving adventure. This was actually on 
> my second wild caving trip. It involved a digging lead and I was the 
> skinniest person on the trip. By the time they had enlarged the hole enough 
> to let me through, they were so tired of digging that they just asked me to 
> go on through and check out the lead. This caused me some hesitation, for 
> obvious reasons (to a beginner, at least), but I was unwilling to admit my 
> fears. I did protest that I had no idea what constituted a caving lead, but 
> they seemed sure enough (or perhaps tired enough) to let me check it out on 
> my own. So after telling myself "it's now or never, either I go or I will 
> never be a real caver", I summed up the courage to squeeze through into a 
> pretty large room. I checked it out to the best of my beginner abilities and 
> told them that it was a dead end--but to this day I am sure that cave goes, I 
> just didn't know how to sense air movement and find the next digging lead to 
> work on.
> 
> Diana
> 
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> 214-645-6383 (phone)
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> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Bill Bentley wrote:
> 
>> Pure Fun!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Louise Power
>> To: Bill Bentley ; texas cavers
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:17 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Solo Caving
>> 
>> Was it 10 hours because you were having a good time or because you couldn't 
>> find your way out?
>> 
>> From: ca...@caver.net
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:42:32 -0500
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Solo Caving
>> 
>> Done a whole bunch in Amazing Maze Cave back in the mid 80's. I was in my 
>> 20's and was going to live forever. Regular pack nothing out of the 
>> ordinary. Can't remember if I told anyone where I was going or not. Would 
>> not do it again... I teach and preach against it now... The longest solo 
>> trip in there was about 10 hours...Maybe longer ...
>> 
>> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cave Conservancy CAVE DAY

[James Jasek]

Very impressive crowd at Dies, an I see you have some expert caver assistance. 

Jim 

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On Sep 15, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Leslie Bell  wrote:

> We ran the numbers yesterday afternoon and had a total of about 460 visitors 
> to Dies Ranch Treasure Cave alone. 
> The highest wait time was about two hours, but a good time was had by all and 
> we received many compliments despite the wait. 
> 
> Special thanks go out to our volunteer crew for Dies Ranch, in alphabetical 
> order: 
> Yazmin Avila
> Laurie Culbert
> Nate Culbert
> Riley (cousin of Nate/niece of Laurie)
> Jason Ford
> Gerry Geletzke
> Anna Klis
> Vivian Loftin
> Bob Marshall
> Scott Serur
> Haylen Teel
> Eric Teel
> Shoshanna West
> 
>   
> Christopher Francke & Leslie Bell 
> 
> From: Michael Walsh 
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:13 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Cave Conservancy CAVE DAY
> 
>  
> Yesterday, Saturday September 14, we had approximately 600 visitors to Dies 
> Ranch Indian Shelter, Discovery Well Cave Preserve, Dies Ranch Treasure Cave 
> and the Avery Ranch Cave .  We had cavers showing the visitors the various 
> caver techniques such as rope climbing at the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave .  A 
> good muddy time was had by all.
>  
> Over at Avery Ranch Cave we were able to speed up the lines where the longest 
> wait was around twenty-thirty minutes.  We would like to thank the Williamson 
> County Constable Rob Chody for providing security for the event. The kids 
> loved the big police car and the coloring book handouts.  We will have 
> security at both sites next year.
>  
>  A former employee of the TCC charged that the deck is unsafe in the Avery 
> Ranch Cave .  We repaired the minor problem and the deck is safe.
>  
>   If there is a caver with structural support experience out there that would 
> be willing to inspect the deck, please contact us.  We could use some 
> paperwork from an expert to reassure the former TCC employee and anyone else, 
> that the deck is safe.
>  
> We are greatly enjoying our new TCC office and we even had pizza and beer for 
> the cavers that worked with us CAVE DAY.  Join us in one of the ongoing work 
> projects and see our great new TCC Headquarters.
>  
>  
> Please contact us at:
>  
> Mike Walsh   TCC President
>  
> 512-249-2283
>  
> mikewaus...@austin.rr.com
>  
> 
> 

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cave Conservancy CAVE DAY

[James Jasek]

Excellent report on the event. You had a really good turnout from the 
community. Everyone loves being able to go into the caves. Makes everyone aware 
of the good the TCC does for the community. 

James Jasek

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On Sep 15, 2013, at 2:13 PM, "Michael Walsh"  wrote:

>  
> Yesterday, Saturday September 14, we had approximately 600 visitors to Dies 
> Ranch Indian Shelter, Discovery Well Cave Preserve, Dies Ranch Treasure Cave 
> and the Avery Ranch Cave.  We had cavers showing the visitors the various 
> caver techniques such as rope climbing at the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave.  A 
> good muddy time was had by all.
>  
> Over at Avery Ranch Cave we were able to speed up the lines where the longest 
> wait was around twenty-thirty minutes.  We would like to thank the Williamson 
> County Constable Rob Chody for providing security for the event. The kids 
> loved the big police car and the coloring book handouts.  We will have 
> security at both sites next year.
>  
>  A former employee of the TCC charged that the deck is unsafe in the Avery 
> Ranch Cave.  We repaired the minor problem and the deck is safe.
>  
>   If there is a caver with structural support experience out there that would 
> be willing to inspect the deck, please contact us.  We could use some 
> paperwork from an expert to reassure the former TCC employee and anyone else, 
> that the deck is safe.
>  
> We are greatly enjoying our new TCC office and we even had pizza and beer for 
> the cavers that worked with us CAVE DAY.  Join us in one of the ongoing work 
> projects and see our great new TCC Headquarters.
>  
>  
> Please contact us at:
>  
> Mike Walsh   TCC President
>  
> 512-249-2283
>  
> mikewaus...@austin.rr.com
>  

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

Thank you. It is starting to come out, about who has done and is doing solo. 
Amazing Maze would make a good solo trip if one knows the cave. Easy to get 
lost :)

A ten hour solo trip is a long one.

To me it depends on the cave. Horizontal and no vertical. 

Also letting someone know as to your plans sort of goes without saying 

Jim
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On Sep 15, 2013, at 1:42 PM, "Bill Bentley"  wrote:

> Done a whole bunch in Amazing Maze Cave back in the mid 80's. I was in my 
> 20's and was going to live forever. Regular pack nothing out of the ordinary. 
> Can't remember if I told anyone where I was going or not. Would not do it 
> again... I teach and preach against it now... The longest solo trip in there 
> was about 10 hours...Maybe longer ...
>  
> Bill
>  

Re: [Texascavers] Solo

[James Jasek]

Thank you for your solo caving experience. You are only the third person to 
admit to actually doing a solo trip. 

Sounds like it was a memorable experience :)

Most cavers seem to condemn solo caving, rightfully so, but I feel there is 
more solo caving going on than cavers admit to. 

I feel a solo trip has a lot to do with the cave and the desire to be 
underground than a disregard for safety 

Thank you

Jim



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On Sep 15, 2013, at 1:03 AM, vivb...@att.net wrote:

>  My most memorable solo trip was probably the time I decided to go seek 
> myself after my first painful nightmare enducing divorce. It must have been 
> 1993 or so. Summertime in central California. I don't remember everything I 
> had in my backpack. But I felt it was suitable for my planned overnight dry 
> camp in a fairly small horizontal cave I knew, which was a 3 hr drive and a 
> fairly steep 1/2 hr/1 hr hike from home. I do remember that I had a bit too 
> much Jack Daniels in that pack. I probably also had my walkman and some tapes.
>  A Hershey's with Almonds was in there. That was what introduced me to 
> the wonderful mouse friend I made that night. He woke me up with his munching 
> by my head. When I shined my headlamp to see who could possibly be making 
> that much noise, he just looked at me and kept on munching. He let me pet him 
> while I let him selectively eat out the almonds. 
>  I did a lot of staring deep into the dark that night. and listening to 
> the very rare drip in an alcove. I didn't even start hitting the Jack until 
> the next morning. Then I fell asleep in the sun at the entrance.
> I think the Indigo Girls put it well- "I woke up with a headache like my 
> head against a board. Twice as cloudy as I'd been the night before, when I 
> went in seeking clarity". It was a hot hike out in the middle of the 
> afternoon. Whew.
>  I don't remember telling anyone where I went. It was fine. It was a 
> humbling, beautiful, learning experience. It was only disappointing in that I 
> found neither going passage, nor the meaning of life. For that I had to go to 
> Monte Python.
> 
> -Vivian Loftin
> 
> 
> From: "bmorgan...@aol.com" 
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:43 AM
> Subject: [Texascavers] Solo
> 
> "So, how is solo caving different from solo trail running, solo hiking, or 
> solo driving on rural roads."
>  
> It isn't. The truth is that one dark passage much resembles another and the 
> additional impediment of ropes and such makes it more trouble than it is 
> worth when the glorious outdoors beckons. There are dangers out there too, 
> almost as  many as in a cave. Just as many places to break your leg plus 
> farmers with shotguns, none of which stops me from trespassing solo at every 
> possible opportunity. There is absolutely no way anybody is going to find me 
> if I'm out exploring previously unexplored jungle when I don't even know 
> which way I going to go myself. I was reminded of that the time when I was 
> alone in the trackless jungle of Belize some thirty miles from the nearest 
> road when a travertine shelf broke causing me to fall into a pit. It was a 
> scary moment but I climbed out with no difficulty. From this I concluded that 
> I simply needed to be more careful. Ditto for the time on the same trip when 
> I found myself eye to eye with a huge tommygoff.
>  
> Some people are goal oriented, on a given day they go to a specific place, 
> tell people where they are going and when they are expected to return. That's 
> not my style, I just like to explore whether above or below ground, and 
> exploring means going where you have never been before. There is inherent 
> danger  in that, but I also find it to be safer in that going solo sharpens 
> one's perception and causes one to move more slowly and carefully. Despite 
> any such danger there is nothing on or under the earth that I like better 
> than sneaking around by myself!
>  
> Sleazeweazel
> 
> 

[Texascavers] Solo caving

[James Jasek]

Let me rephrase my solo caving question. I was hoping an active caver, who has 
done, or has recently done, some non vertical, solo caving would reply. What is 
the mind set and why go solo  caving? What are the limits set to what 
difficulty or degree of caving while underground? What is included in your cave 
pack in case of an emergency?

James Jasek

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[Texascavers] Solo Caving

[James Jasek]

What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about solo 
climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to 1000 feet 
crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs. 

James Jasek 

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Re: [Texascavers] Mars in the news

[James Jasek]

I was under the impression CaveTex was  for Texas caving. Lets keep it  
Texas caving.


Jim
On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David wrote:

The current newsstory about Earth life originating on Mars is  
greatly flawed.


Mars several billion years ago was most likely farther from the  
Sun.Possibly the Sun was bigger & brighter, then too.  The Earth  
would have been further away from the sun too.

Venus might have been in the ideal location.

If you go back many billions of years, the Solar System was most  
likely very volatile.   The building blocks that ignite the cells of  
life, could have been bouncing off everything, just like they have  
been doing all over the Universe for trillions of trillions of  
trillions of years, and for trillions of years before that.


It is total arrogance of the human race to believe we are at the  
beginning stages of this process, and that we are the final stage in  
this process.   Our ancestors in a billion years will have never  
heard of the human race.

David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Mars in the news

[James Jasek]

I was under the impression CaveTex was  for Texas caving. Lets keep it  
Texas caving.


Jim
On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David wrote:

The current newsstory about Earth life originating on Mars is  
greatly flawed.


Mars several billion years ago was most likely farther from the  
Sun.Possibly the Sun was bigger & brighter, then too.  The Earth  
would have been further away from the sun too.

Venus might have been in the ideal location.

If you go back many billions of years, the Solar System was most  
likely very volatile.   The building blocks that ignite the cells of  
life, could have been bouncing off everything, just like they have  
been doing all over the Universe for trillions of trillions of  
trillions of years, and for trillions of years before that.


It is total arrogance of the human race to believe we are at the  
beginning stages of this process, and that we are the final stage in  
this process.   Our ancestors in a billion years will have never  
heard of the human race.

David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[James Jasek]

Sorry. I don't understand 

Jim

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On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
>  
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
> To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
>  
> Allan
>  
>  
>  
> From: James Jasek
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>  
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
> 
> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a gross 
> mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>  
> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>  
> -- Crash
>  
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>  
> Y’all,
>  
> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats that 
> could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>  
> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
> couple of weeks, probably.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  
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> 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[James Jasek]

Sorry. I don't understand 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
>  
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
> To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
>  
> Allan
>  
>  
>  
> From: James Jasek
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>  
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
> 
> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a gross 
> mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>  
> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>  
> -- Crash
>  
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>  
> Y’all,
>  
> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats that 
> could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>  
> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
> couple of weeks, probably.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6576 - Release Date: 08/14/13
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[James Jasek]

Got. Thar is really funny :)

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:13 PM, "Allan B. Cobb"  wrote:

> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
> 
>  
> Allan
>  
>  
>  
> From: James Jasek
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>  
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
> 
>> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
>> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a 
>> gross mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -- Crash
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Y’all,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
>> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats 
>> that could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
>> couple of weeks, probably.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
>>  
>> 
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6576 - Release Date: 08/14/13

Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[James Jasek]

Got. Thar is really funny :)

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:13 PM, "Allan B. Cobb"  wrote:

> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
> 
>  
> Allan
>  
>  
>  
> From: James Jasek
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>  
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
> 
>> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
>> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a 
>> gross mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -- Crash
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Y’all,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
>> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats 
>> that could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
>> couple of weeks, probably.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
>>  
>> 
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6576 - Release Date: 08/14/13

Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[James Jasek]

Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:

> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a gross 
> mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>  
> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>  
> -- Crash
>  
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>  
> Y’all,
>  
> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats that 
> could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>  
> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
> couple of weeks, probably.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  

Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[James Jasek]

Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:

> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a gross 
> mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>  
> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>  
> -- Crash
>  
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>  
> Y’all,
>  
> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats that 
> could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>  
> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
> couple of weeks, probably.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  

Re: [Texascavers] Update 3

[James Jasek]

Gill,

Just wait until you sneeze as it makes a coughing seem like nothing.

Jim
On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:


August 8
Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my  
progress has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and  
pops as ribs and bones and cartilage move back into place and  
smaller, localized pains go away as the result of it. I was able to  
lay on my side for the first time in a week last night. According to  
the advice-givers that should have taken several weeks, not just  
one. I have always been a fast healer and am hoping the trend  
continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding my left scapula  
is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a useful,  
consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out of  
my 10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious  
pain. If I make as much progress in the next week as I made in the  
last I'll become a contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to  
all who've visited, brought food, given advice, wished me well, and  
made smart-assed comments. I should have been keeping a Log Book.

Re: [Texascavers] Update 3

[James Jasek]

Gill,

Just wait until you sneeze as it makes a coughing seem like nothing.

Jim
On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:


August 8
Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my  
progress has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and  
pops as ribs and bones and cartilage move back into place and  
smaller, localized pains go away as the result of it. I was able to  
lay on my side for the first time in a week last night. According to  
the advice-givers that should have taken several weeks, not just  
one. I have always been a fast healer and am hoping the trend  
continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding my left scapula  
is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a useful,  
consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out of  
my 10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious  
pain. If I make as much progress in the next week as I made in the  
last I'll become a contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to  
all who've visited, brought food, given advice, wished me well, and  
made smart-assed comments. I should have been keeping a Log Book.

Re: [Texascavers] Old Update

[James Jasek]

Thank you for the accident report. Now you can join the small group of  
cavers who have been involved in a caving accident.


Jim


On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:

It was pointed out to me that I never published an accident report  
on CaveTex. This was posted to fb about 8 August


>>>fwd>
(Today's report. Justin and Guin and maybe others were watching and  
have reported to me most of the following, minor parts of which I  
remember.) Sometime after lunch we were gathered around several  
leads at the bottom of a pit dig of a small city-owned cave in South  
Austin which was being excavated for aquifer recharge purposes. The  
discussion was over and I stood up to leave, had a momentary  
blackout, and fell backwards into a 10 or so feet deep pit that was  
one of the dig leads. I remember the very first part of the fall but  
not much of it. I landed on my back amongst several large boulders  
which had been dug out but not moved yet. I'm told that I was  
unconscious for 15 seconds or so (who was counting?) and then began  
speaking incoherently for, maybe, another minute. Troops were  
dispatched to call 911 and I, apparently, got up and started heading  
out the entrance which was 40 or 50-feet away via a sloping passage  
big enough to stand up in--mostly. I remember none of it. The  
ambulance (or fire truck) responders and I showed up at the entrance  
about the same time. I was packaged and taken to St Davids South,  
about a mile from my house. I remember one short segment in the  
ambulance and then finally came back to reality in the emergency  
room just as they were wheeling me off for a cat-scan. It showed 10  
fractured ribs, some minor vertebra damage, and an intact skull  
despite the nice lacerations yall have seen in Ellie's earlier post.  
If I held still there was no noticeable pain but virtually any  
movement resulted in big-time hurting the my left rib cage and left  
shoulder. Strangely, I had no headache or other aches or pains. They  
kept me in the hospital overnight so my condition would settle out.  
My blood pressure was pretty high (I suspect adrenalin), all other  
organs operating pretty much according to specs. I spent the night  
sitting up, sleeping (mostly) due to a generous sleeping pill, and  
took a walk in the hall with the PT girl who determined that I had  
normal mobility--and pretty much everything else. Just remember that  
the next time somebody says something about me around the campfire-- 
ha. The doctor made his afternoon rounds and, at my request, set me  
free. Getting in and out of bed or chair required some caving  
maneuvers and MUCH pain. I try to limit that. Every time I move I  
try to make it a learning experience to see what hurts and what  
doesn't. I have been sitting up on the side of the bed typing-- 
instead of sitting in the chair or leaned back in bed--and it seems  
to be the most relaxing and painless approach although I'm going to  
get tired of it at some point. I tried to roll over on my side but  
couldn't do that painlessly and suspected I could be damaging some  
of the tender rib fractures. Transitioning between sitting and  
standing (mostly standing) induces pain in my lower-left-rear ribs  
but mostly goes away after standing a half-minute. I have no spinal  
pain best I can tell, just the cracked ribs whenever I try to move.  
I've moved into the back living room because my usual bed is on a  
loft about 5 feet up a set of stairs and my general access is easier  
to obtain. Thanks to all who sent messages and smart-assed remarks.

(More to follow)
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Old Update

[James Jasek]

Thank you for the accident report. Now you can join the small group of  
cavers who have been involved in a caving accident.


Jim


On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:

It was pointed out to me that I never published an accident report  
on CaveTex. This was posted to fb about 8 August


>>>fwd>
(Today's report. Justin and Guin and maybe others were watching and  
have reported to me most of the following, minor parts of which I  
remember.) Sometime after lunch we were gathered around several  
leads at the bottom of a pit dig of a small city-owned cave in South  
Austin which was being excavated for aquifer recharge purposes. The  
discussion was over and I stood up to leave, had a momentary  
blackout, and fell backwards into a 10 or so feet deep pit that was  
one of the dig leads. I remember the very first part of the fall but  
not much of it. I landed on my back amongst several large boulders  
which had been dug out but not moved yet. I'm told that I was  
unconscious for 15 seconds or so (who was counting?) and then began  
speaking incoherently for, maybe, another minute. Troops were  
dispatched to call 911 and I, apparently, got up and started heading  
out the entrance which was 40 or 50-feet away via a sloping passage  
big enough to stand up in--mostly. I remember none of it. The  
ambulance (or fire truck) responders and I showed up at the entrance  
about the same time. I was packaged and taken to St Davids South,  
about a mile from my house. I remember one short segment in the  
ambulance and then finally came back to reality in the emergency  
room just as they were wheeling me off for a cat-scan. It showed 10  
fractured ribs, some minor vertebra damage, and an intact skull  
despite the nice lacerations yall have seen in Ellie's earlier post.  
If I held still there was no noticeable pain but virtually any  
movement resulted in big-time hurting the my left rib cage and left  
shoulder. Strangely, I had no headache or other aches or pains. They  
kept me in the hospital overnight so my condition would settle out.  
My blood pressure was pretty high (I suspect adrenalin), all other  
organs operating pretty much according to specs. I spent the night  
sitting up, sleeping (mostly) due to a generous sleeping pill, and  
took a walk in the hall with the PT girl who determined that I had  
normal mobility--and pretty much everything else. Just remember that  
the next time somebody says something about me around the campfire-- 
ha. The doctor made his afternoon rounds and, at my request, set me  
free. Getting in and out of bed or chair required some caving  
maneuvers and MUCH pain. I try to limit that. Every time I move I  
try to make it a learning experience to see what hurts and what  
doesn't. I have been sitting up on the side of the bed typing-- 
instead of sitting in the chair or leaned back in bed--and it seems  
to be the most relaxing and painless approach although I'm going to  
get tired of it at some point. I tried to roll over on my side but  
couldn't do that painlessly and suspected I could be damaging some  
of the tender rib fractures. Transitioning between sitting and  
standing (mostly standing) induces pain in my lower-left-rear ribs  
but mostly goes away after standing a half-minute. I have no spinal  
pain best I can tell, just the cracked ribs whenever I try to move.  
I've moved into the back living room because my usual bed is on a  
loft about 5 feet up a set of stairs and my general access is easier  
to obtain. Thanks to all who sent messages and smart-assed remarks.

(More to follow)
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/2/13

[James Jasek]

Wow! This is fantastic news. Thank you 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2013, at 6:06 AM, "Emily McGowan"  wrote:

> From her mother:
> 
> Another good milestone today! Mallory smiled at her caver friend nicknamed
> "Puppy". Mal wakes up more after PT has been working with her about 15
> minutes. They wanted to stand her but the 3rd therapist was tied up so they
> enlisted Puppy to help. He was sitting by the bed and had to hold her knees
> or thighs. When they sat her down, they wanted her to lift her head. So they
> told her to lift her head and look at Puppy. They had to help her with her
> head, but when she did she gave the biggest smile. We all saw it, even the
> nurse who wasn't really participating in this event. It was so good to see
> her smile. 
> 
> I took a tour of Tirr Rehab hospital today. Mal has been approved by
> insurance for Tirr. The patient liason has talked to me. Mal is scheduled to
> go in next week as soon as medically approved. Her fever is gone. Lung X-ray
> better. Still coughing but not as much. For those who are visiting, they are
> moving her out of ICU into intermediate care as soon as a room opens up. So
> you will need to find her new room. This was plannd early this morning and
> when we left at 9 p.m., she was still in ICU. Slowly but surely.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/2/13

[James Jasek]

Wow! This is fantastic news. Thank you 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2013, at 6:06 AM, "Emily McGowan"  wrote:

> From her mother:
> 
> Another good milestone today! Mallory smiled at her caver friend nicknamed
> "Puppy". Mal wakes up more after PT has been working with her about 15
> minutes. They wanted to stand her but the 3rd therapist was tied up so they
> enlisted Puppy to help. He was sitting by the bed and had to hold her knees
> or thighs. When they sat her down, they wanted her to lift her head. So they
> told her to lift her head and look at Puppy. They had to help her with her
> head, but when she did she gave the biggest smile. We all saw it, even the
> nurse who wasn't really participating in this event. It was so good to see
> her smile. 
> 
> I took a tour of Tirr Rehab hospital today. Mal has been approved by
> insurance for Tirr. The patient liason has talked to me. Mal is scheduled to
> go in next week as soon as medically approved. Her fever is gone. Lung X-ray
> better. Still coughing but not as much. For those who are visiting, they are
> moving her out of ICU into intermediate care as soon as a room opens up. So
> you will need to find her new room. This was plannd early this morning and
> when we left at 9 p.m., she was still in ICU. Slowly but surely.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/2/13

[James Jasek]

Wow! This is fantastic news. Thank you 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2013, at 6:06 AM, "Emily McGowan"  wrote:

> From her mother:
> 
> Another good milestone today! Mallory smiled at her caver friend nicknamed
> "Puppy". Mal wakes up more after PT has been working with her about 15
> minutes. They wanted to stand her but the 3rd therapist was tied up so they
> enlisted Puppy to help. He was sitting by the bed and had to hold her knees
> or thighs. When they sat her down, they wanted her to lift her head. So they
> told her to lift her head and look at Puppy. They had to help her with her
> head, but when she did she gave the biggest smile. We all saw it, even the
> nurse who wasn't really participating in this event. It was so good to see
> her smile. 
> 
> I took a tour of Tirr Rehab hospital today. Mal has been approved by
> insurance for Tirr. The patient liason has talked to me. Mal is scheduled to
> go in next week as soon as medically approved. Her fever is gone. Lung X-ray
> better. Still coughing but not as much. For those who are visiting, they are
> moving her out of ICU into intermediate care as soon as a room opens up. So
> you will need to find her new room. This was plannd early this morning and
> when we left at 9 p.m., she was still in ICU. Slowly but surely.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/1/13

[James Jasek]

Wonderful news 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2013, at 6:31 AM, "Emily McGowan"  wrote:

> From her mother, Vickie.  This is REALLY good news!!
> 
> It was a great day today! Mallory actually responded to a command 3 out of
> four times and this is coming from the PT people and not just her mom. The
> PT held up a stuffed bat that was given as a gift. They told her to grab the
> bat. It takes her several second to respond but she did it. I was shocked
> This is the first time I have seen her respond to a command. Apparently, she
> did it yesterday but I wasn't there. They came out and asked me "Did you see
> that? I even had to ask my sister Patti if it was real. I cried. There has
> been no way of knowing the extent of any brain damage until now and it is
> not something we have really thought about because it was too scary. But she
> is understanding and responding. A long way to go but what a wonderful
> milestone. We are thrilled. 
> 
> Now they are moving fast. They sat her up on the edge of the bed for about
> 45 minutes. With 3 of them, they stood her up for 2 minutes. Both PT and OT
> gave us exercises to do 2-3 times a day. They had me do them. I was so
> scared to hurt her, so I told them they had to reassure me that I can move
> her now. After not being able to touch her, talk loud or stimulate her
> because of brain pressure problems, this about face is hard to comprehend.
> The good thing was I learned the foot exercises before I saw Mal move and I
> learned them fine. Well after Mal moved, OT tried to teach the shoulder
> exercises. I couldn't quite get them down. Such roller coaster emotions.
> Luckily, Patti was there and helped me write them down and remember them.
> Tonight, she actually did the shoulder exercises and I watched. 
> 
> They will come back tomorrow and teach me again. The foot and leg exercises
> we were able to do together. They are talking about moving her soon. She
> will eventually go to the Tirr Rehabilitation Center. This is the best in
> the country. this is where they brought Gabby Gifford, the politician, after
> she got shot. Everybody told me to get her in there, it was the best, even
> the guy in the bank when I was putting power of attorney on her account. I
> told the doctor that's where I wanted her three nights ago when it was first
> mentioned. He laughed, because I don't think he was expecting me to express
> my preference so emphatically, but he said OK. Memorial Hermann, her
> hospital, owns that facility. For a short time,the Tirr PT is working in
> Memorial Hermann so it was Tirr employees who worked on her yesterday and
> today. They know their stuff and said she needs to come over as soon as they
> clear up the remaining medical problems. She also tracked her eyes in a
> mirror and later when the chaplain came, she talked to Mal after talking to
> me. She told her to blink two times and Mal did. Say those prayers of
> thanksgiving. This was a glorious day. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/1/13

[James Jasek]

Wonderful news 

Jim

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On Aug 2, 2013, at 6:31 AM, "Emily McGowan"  wrote:

> From her mother, Vickie.  This is REALLY good news!!
> 
> It was a great day today! Mallory actually responded to a command 3 out of
> four times and this is coming from the PT people and not just her mom. The
> PT held up a stuffed bat that was given as a gift. They told her to grab the
> bat. It takes her several second to respond but she did it. I was shocked
> This is the first time I have seen her respond to a command. Apparently, she
> did it yesterday but I wasn't there. They came out and asked me "Did you see
> that? I even had to ask my sister Patti if it was real. I cried. There has
> been no way of knowing the extent of any brain damage until now and it is
> not something we have really thought about because it was too scary. But she
> is understanding and responding. A long way to go but what a wonderful
> milestone. We are thrilled. 
> 
> Now they are moving fast. They sat her up on the edge of the bed for about
> 45 minutes. With 3 of them, they stood her up for 2 minutes. Both PT and OT
> gave us exercises to do 2-3 times a day. They had me do them. I was so
> scared to hurt her, so I told them they had to reassure me that I can move
> her now. After not being able to touch her, talk loud or stimulate her
> because of brain pressure problems, this about face is hard to comprehend.
> The good thing was I learned the foot exercises before I saw Mal move and I
> learned them fine. Well after Mal moved, OT tried to teach the shoulder
> exercises. I couldn't quite get them down. Such roller coaster emotions.
> Luckily, Patti was there and helped me write them down and remember them.
> Tonight, she actually did the shoulder exercises and I watched. 
> 
> They will come back tomorrow and teach me again. The foot and leg exercises
> we were able to do together. They are talking about moving her soon. She
> will eventually go to the Tirr Rehabilitation Center. This is the best in
> the country. this is where they brought Gabby Gifford, the politician, after
> she got shot. Everybody told me to get her in there, it was the best, even
> the guy in the bank when I was putting power of attorney on her account. I
> told the doctor that's where I wanted her three nights ago when it was first
> mentioned. He laughed, because I don't think he was expecting me to express
> my preference so emphatically, but he said OK. Memorial Hermann, her
> hospital, owns that facility. For a short time,the Tirr PT is working in
> Memorial Hermann so it was Tirr employees who worked on her yesterday and
> today. They know their stuff and said she needs to come over as soon as they
> clear up the remaining medical problems. She also tracked her eyes in a
> mirror and later when the chaplain came, she talked to Mal after talking to
> me. She told her to blink two times and Mal did. Say those prayers of
> thanksgiving. This was a glorious day. 
> 
> 
> 
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