[Texascavers] Fwd: FW: Save the Date! GCSNA Volunteer Appreciation Party
Cavers, If you have participated in the Government Canyon Karst Project you are invited to the party detailed below. It’s always a fun time. Bonus – it happens on the evening of the next karst project day, November 12. Spend a day caving and then stay for the party. Marvin *Subject:* Save the Date! GCSNA Volunteer Appreciation Party Greetings from Government Canyon! You are invited to attend our Annual Volunteer Appreciation Party! DATE: Saturday November 12, 2022 TIME: 6PM until ??? WHERE: The Ranch House at Government Canyon State Natural Area. (Map attached) The gate to the Ranch House should be open. If not: to open the gate at the head of the Ranch House Road press 1-2-3-4…then press SEND. WHAT: BYOB and Pot Luck*. Campfire, door prizes, party lights, the whole enchilada. Casual dress; overnight camping available at the Volunteer Campground near the Ranch House. Let us know in advance if you plan to camp overnight. Spouses and children are also invited, provided they are your own. No pets please! This affair will be outdoors, scattered around the front yard of the Ranch House. There will be picnic tables for seating, but feel free to BYO chairs if you wish to increase space between yourselves and others. Food and schmoozing will be happening up on the Ranch House Front Porch as well, and around the outdoor firepit. RSVP or questions PLEASE REPLY to john.koe...@tpwd.texas.gov or to theresa.edwa...@tpwd.texas.gov B-there or B-square. John *If you have concerns about sharing food, feel free to bring your own meal. *John H. Koepke* Interpreter-Volunteers-Trails-Special Projects Government Canyon State Natural Area 12861 Galm Road San Antonio, Texas 78254 210-688-9055 xt. 2010 john.koe...@tpwd.texas.gov Map to Ranch House.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] State Natural Area Karst Projects set to start
Cavers, The schedule for the karst projects at Hill Country and Government Canyon State Natural Areas has been posted on the TSA calendar. Find it on the TSA website. Note that the project dates for November and December are on the 2nd weekends instead of the customary first. Note also that several of the project weekends are scheduled for Saturday only, though Sunday activities are possible if you set it up with me ahead of time. The first weekend at Hill Country SNA is only 2 and a half weeks away. Camping for the weekend is available. Contact me for more information. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink Survey, trip #4
On August 6 three cavers entered Cascade Sink to continue the survey of the cave into new territory. The regular crew were unavailable so Jordan Ogletree and Michael “Mowgli” Swartz were recruited, joining Marvin Miller for the trip. As has become tradition, the little rattlesnake (Crotalus atrox) was coiled on its ledge close to the bottom. Cavers and snake avoided each other and the cavers went on into the cave. Travel time to the end of survey was timed at about an hour. At Station D43, set on the wall of a narrow fissure, a wider portion at the base of the fissure presented a hole to drop down into a pool of water. Once there, passage could be seen heading back towards known cave and also in the direction of the unknown. There was some knowledge of the unknown, however. In 1975 caver Randy Waters had explored these areas beyond the end of the published map and had discovered going passage. He had sketched out his discovery with intriguing notations to large rimstone dams, unexplored pits, and a final 51’ drop into a large terminal room. The current team’s immediate goal was to find that passage. Marvin had an idea, based on climbing down into the water passage on the previous trip, as to where to find the mystery passage. He headed downstream in the deeper water, ducking under low-hanging stalactites to stay close to the left wall, where the sketch showed the passage exiting. In less than 10 meters water met walls and ceiling and there was no way on. Disappointed, he turned toward the right wall which lay at the far side of a broad shelf that broached the water’s surface. There was enough space to move along the shelf on his belly, but barely. His wetsuit material dragging over the rough texture of the rock did not make it easier. The shelf could be seen to extend ahead in the passage and it looked like the floor might drop a bit after 2 or 3 meters. Marvin and Mowgli discussed options and decided the only thing to do was to survey the going passage, even if it didn’t go where they wanted it to. They headed back to D43 to prepare and then Mowgli took point position, setting stations, while Jordan took measurements with the DistoX2. The new stations used the designator “E”. After station E3, midway along the shelf, Mowgli ran into a problem. A fracture in the ceiling had allowed some formation growth and it was enough to prevent him from pushing through. Jordan, being thinner, found another way around and got to the far side of the tight spot. He discovered that the shelf ended there and dropped into a shallow rimstone pool. The current water level overtopped the pool and left about 20 cm of airspace, with lots of formations to dodge. Jordan had the foresight to bring a hammer with him in his pack and this was provided to Mowgli. Jordan also noted that to one side of a column, between the column and the right wall, it appeared that the space was slightly taller. Mowgli went to work with the hammer while Jordan explored ahead a little. He soon made everyone happy by reporting that he had found a passage going out of the water. This gave Mowgli greater determination to make it through and he soon did. After this they shot E3 to E4, E4 to E5, and then E5 to E6, out of the water. In 3 meters from E6 the passage doubled back on itself and became a fissure with the floor commonly in the water of a low, wide, water-filled portion. There was not much mud present, but at E11, on the forward-facing slope of a large piece of breakdown, Mowgli found a message from the past written on a large patch of mud. The message clearly says “Randy Waters Dec. 75” and above Randy’s name is the name “Doug”. 46 and a half years later the team was sharing in their discovery. From E11 the passage went down a slight slope into a pool of water and turned to the left, becoming suddenly much larger. Small lily pads adorned the edge of the pool and from the pool the water went trickling through an area of small rimstones to fall over a meter-high drop into a nice, round, pot of a pool and then to the floor. The ceiling here soared up into a tall rift along its center. A slight duck-under led into the next room, bedrock floor and devoid of water or formations. From there the passage turned again to the northeast and in 10 meters came to a 4-meter down-climb into a shallow pool, with a large collection of stalagmites hanging above. It was decided at that point to put the survey on hold and scoop ahead to find the rumored 51’ drop into the final room. It would be advantageous to know if vertical gear and a rope would be required on the next trip, and it was thought that the drop was a good distance ahead. While Marvin was finishing up the sketch, Mowgli reconnoitered ahead and much sooner than expected was back to say that the pit was not far at all. With sketching done the team went to investigate. There were two holes that dropped into a void below. A light shown down revealed a running stream far down on the floor of what
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
(For the first part of this story see the post dated 7/4/22). On Saturday four cavers returned to Cascade Sink to continue the resurvey of the cave. John Young rigged the pit and then rapelled. The time was approximately 9:30. He announced from the bottom that the young rattlesnake was still in attendance. Adam Daw went down, then Gerry Geletzke, with Marvin Miller bringing up the rear. At the bottom Marvin noticed that the other three had gone on through the low entrance passage with their gear on. He decided to take his off there at the bottom of the pit as had been his custom on previous trips. He hung his gear on a wall projection above the small, muddy ramp poking out of the water at one end, and then followed the rest of the team on into the cave. In about half an hour they were at Station D23, the end point on the previous trip. The station was set at the start of a dam of stream cobbles and gravel that rose out of the water and held back the pool on the upstream side. On the downstream side the passage sloped down into a lower pool and turned a corner to the southwest. The pool was small and they were soon traversing a narrow bedrock-floored channel. Some small rimstone dams from an ancient flowpath were holding only gravel now and then a narrow side passage entered. The corroded flowstone showed that it was the ancient source of the water. "Lead for skinny person" was noted on the survey sketch. More potholes and gravel and a few meters further on, a drop down into a small pool. At the far end of the pool the passage changed character into a belly crawl on a bedrock slab. This was soon alleviated by a ceiling channel. The passage then sloped into another pool followed by another bedrock crawl. In bedrock slab areas Marvin noticed an interesting phenomena. Single web-like strands hanging from the ceiling that he had assumed to be spider-made, each appeared to be anchored to the ceiling by a small white protuberance. Upon closer inspection this white object was seen to actually be a creature that resembled a millipede. The creatures were immobile and many, but not all, had the strands hanging from their position. Small droplets of condensation or some other liquid clung to the strands. It reminded him of the habits of the glowworms of Waitomo Caves in New Zealand. Photos were taken and the survey resumed. Exploration by John and Adam showed that a passage to the left would loop around and connect to the route straight ahead through the belly crawl. The choice was made to survey the passage to the left first. A short crawl led to an interesting slope of softball sized smooth, white cobbles. The passage then became a tall, narrow fissure and headed down-slope to connect with the route across the belly crawl in another shallow pool. The fissure continued straight ahead along a wall of fantastically eroded shapes. It then got too narrow to stay at floor level and had to be traversed by chimneying along higher up. Around a few corners it became apparent through holes in the floor that the fissure was following the trend of a low, wide water passage down below. They got to a point where there was a larger hole into the lower passage and the fissure was found to end about 10 meters ahead. John had earlier explored about 30 meters of the water passage ahead and reported clear water, several rimstone dams, and not much more than 10 cm of airspace. He got to a point where passage was blocked by stalactites. They decided to end the survey at the hole that dropped down into the water and went back to finish the two shots to close the loop through the bedrock crawl. After that they headed out, exiting the cave at about 6:00. In the pool at the bottom of the entrance, Marvin found the rattlesnake coiled on the mud slope immediately under where he had hung his gear. In trying to decide what to do to get the snake to move, he noticed a long cedar stick wedged by floodwaters between the walls of the pit and just above his head. He removed the stick and was able to use it to hook his gear and retrieve it safely. While eating dinner at the Dodging Duck in Boerne they studied the notes and the old maps. The survey of the day had obviously gone 10+ meters past the end of the old map. Randy Waters' hand drawn sketch of what lay beyond the showed a wide, water-filled room. Along the left wall at the end of the wide area was a traverse up into continuing passage that eventually ends in a large room. That is what the team will look for on the next trip. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report corrected
I made a few corrections to the report. The cave is in Kendall County and Gerry's name is spelled with a z. Marvin Miller On Saturday, July 2, seven cavers entered Cascade Sink (not the commercial cave) in Kendall County. Three persons – Gerry Geletzke, Marvin Miller, and John Young – were a survey team hoping to find a sump in the cave open and pushing the resurvey of the cave further. The four others – Adam Daw, Crystal Grafft, Tobin Hays, and Mio Kitano – were there to take the opportunity to see the cave and ended up pushing further into it than anyone has been since probably the 1980’s. John rigged the cave with a nice rebelay at the ledge above the free drop. A rattlesnake on a ledge above the bottom pool provided some excitement. The first sump in the cave is in the low passage that leads from the bottom of the pit. It was immediately obvious that the water level was lower than had been witnessed before and that this passage would not be a problem. The survey team traversed this bit of passage with a nice 10” of airspace and popped out into the tall fissure passage that runs straight south and a little east for 105 meters to the second sump. This sump had not been expected on the first resurvey trip, organized by Jean Krejca on 10/19/19 and consisting of 3 teams. The plan had been to survey as much of the known cave as possible but it was cut short by finding the unexpected sump. On Saturday the survey team found it open with about 8” of airspace. The sump was about 2 meters long and then the ceiling went back up as the passage teed into a tall fissure passage. Surprisingly, on the other side of the sump an old steel anchor was found bolted to the floor. The only explanation is that early explorers, finding this sump frequently closed, installed a line to assist in the short free-dive. As the survey team started the survey the other team - let’s call them the push team – caught up. It was suggested that they explore to the left – upstream – which was plugged almost immediately at stream level with flood-borne debris, but which might be traversable higher in the fissure. The old map indicated that this was the case. A small stream flowed from the bottom of the debris plug and on down the passage to be surveyed. From this point on the passage was mostly hand-and-knees crawl in 20 – 30 cm of water. The passage was a tall fissure but got too narrow a meter or so above the floor, so walking was generally not an option. The passage width at floor level was typically 1.0 to 1.5 meters. The push team caught up to the survey team again and announced that there was at least 30 meters of passage they had explored going the other way. The push team passed the survey team and was soon out of earshot. At one point the floor in the passage sloped down and water level got to about chest deep. This chilled the survey team and they were happy to find just past this area a nice island of stream cobbles that spanned the passage and provided plenty of space to sit out of the water and eat a late lunch. While sitting there they heard the push team returning and soon saw their lights. They reported dry, crawly areas of passage, two dry pancake rooms, and several options for routes. They did not make it to the large room that is reportedly at the end of the known cave. Remarkably, they found leopard frogs living, and apparently healthy, this deep into the cave. Several places in the water passage, before the start of survey and after, large tadpoles had been spotted. After the push team headed out the survey team continued until setting station D23 (first station was D1) on a large dam of dirt and rock that seemed to be holding back water in the passage. The far side of the dam sloped down into water and a low-ceilinged passage. John explored ahead for a bit and reported that the passage comes out of the water but stays low and the rough nature of the bedrock floor made crawling difficult. It was 4:00 p.m. so the team decided to end the survey there in order to make their exit time of 6:00 p.m. Tobin, of the push team, had a bit of excitement at the bottom of the entrance pit. She was the last of the team to climb, and as she was getting on rope in the knee-to-waist deep water the rattlesnake decided to join her in the pool. She stayed cool and was able to avoid it and start climbing. The survey team didn’t see the snake at all when they got there and exited without incident. 105.5 meters were surveyed. More trips are planned to take advantage of the current dry conditions. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report correction
Cascade Sink is actually in Kendall County. M. Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
On Saturday, July 2, seven cavers entered Cascade Sink (not the commercial cave) in Comal County. Three persons – Gerry Geletske, Marvin Miller, and John Young – were a survey team hoping to find a sump in the cave open and pushing the resurvey of the cave further. The four others – Adam Daw, Crystal Grafft, Tobin Hays, and Mio Kitano – were there to take the opportunity to see the cave and ended up pushing further into it than anyone has been since probably the 1980’s. John rigged the cave with a nice rebelay at the ledge above the free drop. A rattlesnake on a ledge above the bottom pool provided some excitement. The first sump in the cave is in the low passage that leads from the bottom of the pit. It was immediately obvious that the water level was lower than had been witnessed before and that this passage would not be a problem. The survey team traversed this bit of passage with a nice 10” of airspace and popped out into the tall fissure passage that runs straight south and a little east for 105 meters to the second sump. This sump had not been expected on the first resurvey trip, organized by Jean Krejca on 10/19/19 and consisting of 3 teams. The plan had been to survey as much of the known cave as possible but it was cut short by finding the unexpected sump. On Saturday the survey team found it open with about 8” of airspace. The sump was about 2 meters long and then the ceiling went back up as the passage teed into a tall fissure passage. Surprisingly, on the other side of the sump an old steel anchor was found bolted to the floor. The only explanation is that early explorers, finding this sump frequently closed, installed a line to assist in the short free-dive. As the survey team started the survey the other team - let’s call them the push team – caught up. It was suggested that they explore to the left – upstream – which was plugged almost immediately at stream level with flood-borne debris, but which might be traversable higher in the fissure. The old map indicated that this was the case. A small stream flowed from the bottom of the debris plug and on down the passage to be surveyed. From this point on the passage was mostly hand-and-knees crawl in 20 – 30 cm of water. The passage was a tall fissure but got too narrow a meter or so above the floor, so walking was generally not an option. The passage width at floor level was typically 1.0 to 1.5 meters. The push team caught up to the survey team again and announced that there was at least 30 meters of passage they had explored going the other way. The push team passed the survey team and was soon out of earshot. At one point the floor in the passage sloped down and water level got to about chest deep. This chilled the survey team and they were happy to find just past this area a nice island of stream cobbles that spanned the passage and provided plenty of space to sit out of the water and eat a late lunch. While sitting there they heard the push team returning and soon saw their lights. They reported dry, crawly areas of passage, two dry pancake rooms, and several options for routes. They did not make it to the large room that is reportedly at the end of the known cave. Remarkably, they found leopard frogs living, and apparently healthy, this deep into the cave. Several places in the water passage, before the start of survey and after, large tadpoles had been spotted. After the push team headed out the survey team continued until setting station D23 (first station was D1) on a large dam of dirt and rock that seemed to be holding back water in the passage. The far side of the dam sloped down into water and a low-ceilinged passage. John explored ahead for a bit and reported that the passage comes out of the water but stays low and the rough nature of the bedrock floor made crawling difficult. It was 4:00 p.m. so the team decided to end the survey there in order to make their exit time of 6:00 p.m. Tobin, of the push team, had a bit of excitement at the bottom of the entrance pit. She was the last of the team to climb, and as she was getting on rope in the knee-to-waist deep water the rattlesnake decided to join her in the pool. She stayed cool and was able to avoid it and start climbing. The survey team didn’t see the snake at all when they got there and exited without incident. 105.5 meters were surveyed. More trips are planned to take advantage of the current dry conditions. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave
Heather, That will be published in a year plus? By then I hope we have more to report. Ask me again sometime before the deadline for submissions. Marvin On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 5:52 AM Heather Tucek wrote: > Can we put this in the next Texas Caver? > > > > On Saturday, 4 June 2022, Marvin Miller wrote: > >> Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit of >> muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 >> meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole >> that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio >> have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot >> was 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some >> drops falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had >> first seen this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because >> there is a slot in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next >> little space 2 meters below but then there is another, tighter >> constriction. There is no airflow so this is not a high priority lead. >> >> We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the >> entrance till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the >> passage. This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that >> makes up the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters >> along the breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a >> small room, the floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a >> small, horizontal tube in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed >> and can be seen to extend at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to >> me, at least) because it looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get >> into it there is actually a little more space than that, and only one spot >> where you are scraping floor and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you >> encounter a cross-joint which provides some relief, and immediately after >> that the floor drops down into a fissure and then the passage widens, opens >> up to the right, and drops over a ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee >> pushed this passage and discovered this room. A small trickle of water >> falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At floor level a duck under the >> ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of passage, at the end of which >> was today's objective. At that point the floor trends slightly down and the >> ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, which is clean-washed from >> that point. I had tried to cram myself into this lead when Bennett, Greg >> Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it was a no-go. I couldn't >> even get far enough to see around the near corner. Kelsey is a skinny girl >> and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the floor just after it gets >> tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to get wet, but in the end >> she committed to it and soon disappeared around the corner. She kept a >> running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was going to open up >> to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon there and >> continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another short >> constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She had >> to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was >> filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. >> Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or >> rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, >> really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. >> >> When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on >> the other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water >> crawl below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a >> 2 meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we >> had some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns beating on >> the near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I >> decided it was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely >> drilled 4 cm into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The >> only way to rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on >> that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. >> This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the >> remainder of the slab started to slide down w
Re: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave
Good name. We will keep it! On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 1:29 PM Kurt Menking wrote: > Flaco in Spanish is skinny. Team skinny > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 12:06 PM Marvin Miller wrote: > >> team flaco? I don't get the reference. >> >> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 8:15 AM Kurt Menking wrote: >> >>> Great trip. Congrats to team flaco. >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 9:14 PM Marvin Miller >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit >>>> of muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 >>>> meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole >>>> that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio >>>> have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot >>>> was 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some >>>> drops falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had >>>> first seen this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because >>>> there is a slot in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next >>>> little space 2 meters below but then there is another, tighter >>>> constriction. There is no airflow so this is not a high priority lead. >>>> >>>> We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the >>>> entrance till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the >>>> passage. This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that >>>> makes up the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters >>>> along the breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a >>>> small room, the floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a >>>> small, horizontal tube in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed >>>> and can be seen to extend at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to >>>> me, at least) because it looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get >>>> into it there is actually a little more space than that, and only one spot >>>> where you are scraping floor and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you >>>> encounter a cross-joint which provides some relief, and immediately after >>>> that the floor drops down into a fissure and then the passage widens, opens >>>> up to the right, and drops over a ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee >>>> pushed this passage and discovered this room. A small trickle of water >>>> falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At floor level a duck under the >>>> ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of passage, at the end of which >>>> was today's objective. At that point the floor trends slightly down and the >>>> ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, which is clean-washed from >>>> that point. I had tried to cram myself into this lead when Bennett, Greg >>>> Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it was a no-go. I couldn't >>>> even get far enough to see around the near corner. Kelsey is a skinny girl >>>> and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the floor just after it gets >>>> tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to get wet, but in the end >>>> she committed to it and soon disappeared around the corner. She kept a >>>> running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was going to open up >>>> to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon there and >>>> continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another short >>>> constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She had >>>> to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was >>>> filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. >>>> Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or >>>> rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, >>>> really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. >>>> >>>> When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on >>>> the other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water >>>> crawl below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a >>>> 2 meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we >>>> had some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns
Re: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave
team flaco? I don't get the reference. On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 8:15 AM Kurt Menking wrote: > Great trip. Congrats to team flaco. > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 9:14 PM Marvin Miller wrote: > >> Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit of >> muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 >> meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole >> that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio >> have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot >> was 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some >> drops falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had >> first seen this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because >> there is a slot in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next >> little space 2 meters below but then there is another, tighter >> constriction. There is no airflow so this is not a high priority lead. >> >> We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the >> entrance till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the >> passage. This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that >> makes up the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters >> along the breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a >> small room, the floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a >> small, horizontal tube in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed >> and can be seen to extend at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to >> me, at least) because it looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get >> into it there is actually a little more space than that, and only one spot >> where you are scraping floor and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you >> encounter a cross-joint which provides some relief, and immediately after >> that the floor drops down into a fissure and then the passage widens, opens >> up to the right, and drops over a ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee >> pushed this passage and discovered this room. A small trickle of water >> falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At floor level a duck under the >> ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of passage, at the end of which >> was today's objective. At that point the floor trends slightly down and the >> ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, which is clean-washed from >> that point. I had tried to cram myself into this lead when Bennett, Greg >> Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it was a no-go. I couldn't >> even get far enough to see around the near corner. Kelsey is a skinny girl >> and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the floor just after it gets >> tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to get wet, but in the end >> she committed to it and soon disappeared around the corner. She kept a >> running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was going to open up >> to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon there and >> continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another short >> constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She had >> to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was >> filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. >> Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or >> rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, >> really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. >> >> When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on >> the other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water >> crawl below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a >> 2 meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we >> had some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns beating on >> the near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I >> decided it was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely >> drilled 4 cm into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The >> only way to rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on >> that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. >> This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the >> remainder of the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight >> slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then >>
[Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave
rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level constriction. The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Convention map salon
Texas Cavers, I need some help judging maps for the map salon at convention. Judging will take place on Saturday between 10:00 and 5:00. If you have experience making cave maps and are not submitting a map this year, please consider. It won't take a lot of time and it is educational. Judging maps will help make you a better mapper. Please reply to me if you can help. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Convention Map Salon
Cave Mappers, Being that there was no convention last year I am accepting any maps made during the years 2020, 2021, & 2022 for entry in the salon. Thank you, Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cave Map Salon at TSA Convention
All you cave explorers and mappers - there will be a map salon at the TSA Spring Convention on May 21st. See the TSA website for details. You can download a judging sheet to see how the maps will be judged and what details are important to include on a cave map. Maps drafted in 2021 and up to the time of the convention will be accepted. There will be prizes! Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project change of schedule
Cavers, The Government Canyon Karst Project will take place on Saturday, May 14, as scheduled but there will be no activities on Sunday, May15. You are welcome to camp on Friday and Saturday nights as always. This will be the last project weekend until we start up again in the fall. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Cavers, There are a number of competing caving events this coming weekend. If you are not involved with something else and are looking for something to do, the project at Hill Country SNA is taking place. Camping on Friday and Saturday will be at Chapas Group Site. Digs and cave surveys are on the agenda. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Cavers, We will be camping at Chapas Group Site for the Hill Country SNA Karst Project next weekend, Feb 5 & 6. Camping is available Friday and Saturday. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
For those who are planning on attending the Hill Country SNA Karst Project on December 4 & 5, we will not have access to our regular campsite at Chapas. If you want to camp you will need to make your own arrangements. We will meet in the parking area of the Visitor's Center to organize teams at 9:00 on both Saturday and Sunday morning. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Karst Project News
Cavers, The dates for the Government Canyon and Hill Country SNA Karst Projects for the upcoming season starting in October are on the TSA website calendar. We will be kicking it off at Hill Country on October 9 & 10. Camping for the weekend at Chapa's Group camp. Come and join us! Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Hi Cavers, I wanted to remind everyone that the upcoming April project at Hill Country State Natural Area will run on Saturday, April 3, only. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Walter Feaster RIP
Bill Bentley posted on FB that Walter Feaster has died. I met him once at Amazing Maze and I might have seen him at conventions or TCR. Marvin ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
The Hill Country SNA Karst Project weekend is scheduled for December 5 and 6. Camping is available on the 4th and 5th. This weekend we will be stationed at the “Group Lodge” at the north end of the Park Road, rather than at Chapas. Have a look at the park map to see how to get there: https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/park_maps/pwd_mp_p4507_115.pdf. The same rules apply. You don’t need to check in at headquarters. Form teams of people you feel comfortable hanging around with and let me know you are coming if you can. Attendees will be expected to wear masks and maintain distance as appropriate. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
We had a great turnout at the Hill Country SNA Karst Project this weekend with 6 teams on Saturday and 2 on Sunday. A total of 23 people attended. Two new caves were found, even though we are not actively looking for new caves right now, and three caves were surveyed. Now it is time to start planning for the first karst project weekend of the season at Government Canyon State Natural Area taking place on November 7 and 8. See the TSA website for more information or contact me. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zoom talk on Cavefishes of Mexico: Biology and Hydrogeology
Correction on the time of the Bexar Grotto meeting: the business meeting starts at 7:00. Bill's presentation will happen after that. Marvin Miller On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:14 AM William R. Elliott wrote: > *The Bexar Grotto*, San Antonio, Texas, is hosting a Zoom meeting on *Mon., > Sep 28, 2020*. There will be a brief business meeting at *6:45 PM Central > Time*, then the presentation. > > Join Zoom Meeting at https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88165648113 > > Meeting ID: 881 6564 8113 > > Presentation: *Cavefishes of Mexico: Biology and Hydrogeology* > > Speaker: > *William R. Elliott, PhD * > *The origin of cavefish is governed by cave hydrogeology and the > characteristics of the cave colonizers. Bill will show slides and diagrams > to cover 13 species of cavefish from the Texas border to Yucatán, and > discuss the current scientific thinking about the modes of cave > colonization and evolution.* > > *Note:* You can watch a Zoom meeting with the video and/or audio off. You > don't have to have a webcam or mic unless you want to fully participate. A > Participant does not require a Zoom account nor license in order to join a > meeting and can join for free. Participants can join a meeting from their > phone, desktop, mobile and tablet devices. You can type questions in the > chat feature when the speaker asks for questions. > > One tap mobile > +13462487799,,88165648113# US (Houston) > +16699009128,,88165648113# US (San Jose) > > Dial by your location > +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) > +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) > +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) > +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) > +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) > +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) > > Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kq4JoxB98 > > Thanks, > > *William R. (Bill) Elliott* > > *speodes...@gmail.com * > > 573-291-5093 cell > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Fwd: Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Those dates for the HCSNA Karst Project should be October 3 & 4. Thanks, Marvin -- Forwarded message - From: Marvin Miller Date: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 11:19 PM Subject: Hill Country SNA Karst Project To: Cavers, The Karst Project at Hill Country SNA will be held on October 2 & 3. This is a TSA project. We will be working on digs and exploring and surveying caves. To pay attention to everyone's safety during the pandemic I am asking participants to attempt to put together their own teams of 3 or 4 people that they feel comfortable with. For people that can't do that I will create tasks that will keep you safely distanced, like ridgewalking. The SNA has given us the use of the Chapa's group site for camping for the weekend. There are RV hookups if someone needs one. You can arrive Friday night and stay the weekend or just show up in the morning by 9:00 on the day of your choice. There is no need to check in at the visitor center. The road and trail map for the park is available here: https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/park_maps/pwd_mp_p4507_115.pdf Contact me with any questions. Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Cavers, The Karst Project at Hill Country SNA will be held on October 2 & 3. This is a TSA project. We will be working on digs and exploring and surveying caves. To pay attention to everyone's safety during the pandemic I am asking participants to attempt to put together their own teams of 3 or 4 people that they feel comfortable with. For people that can't do that I will create tasks that will keep you safely distanced, like ridgewalking. The SNA has given us the use of the Chapa's group site for camping for the weekend. There are RV hookups if someone needs one. You can arrive Friday night and stay the weekend or just show up in the morning by 9:00 on the day of your choice. There is no need to check in at the visitor center. The road and trail map for the park is available here: https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/park_maps/pwd_mp_p4507_115.pdf Contact me with any questions. Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Texas Natural Landmark
The owner of a significant Texas cave wants to know if it can be registered as a Texas Natural Landmark. I know there is a National registry but does the state of Texas have something like this? Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Merit Award
Congratulations to Ben Hutchins for a Merit Award for the map of Double Decker Cave at the NSS Convention, and an Honorable Mention for the map of The Big Easy Cave. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers, The Karst Project at Government Canyon SNA scheduled for May 16 and 17 will take place on the 16th only. I will be limiting activities to ridgewalking (50’ separation is social distancing in its very nature) and all activity areas will be accessed by hiking from the project meeting spot or from the Visitor Center (no need to ride in anyone else’s car). I will also be limiting participation to 15 people. Please let me know as soon as you can if you want to participate so that I can arrange teams and objectives. I will be giving priority to people that have participated in the project in the past. We will be following park rules while hiking on trails. There is no camping allowed on this weekend. Marvin (210) 415 5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Cavers, The Hill Country SNA Karst Project scheduled for April 4 & 5 is cancelled. Everybody stay safe. Marvin ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention Map Salon
Cavers, I will be coordinating the map salon at the spring convention. The TSS is providing prizes for the salon this year and they will be worth some effort. The convention is still several months away so get out those old notes that have been gathering dust in the drawer and start drafting. The salon rules can be accessed from the TSA website convention page, or follow this link: https://cavetexas.org/mapsalon. Be sure to check your map against the judging criteria to confirm that the map has all the necessary elements: http://www.cavetexas.org/sites/default/files/mapJudging.pdf. I'll see you at convention. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] March Government Canyon Project Date
Cavers, Take note that the date for the March Government Canyon Project weekend is changing to the 14th and 15th. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hill Country SNA Karst Project
Cavers, The karst project at Hill Country SNA kicks off next weekend, February 1st and 2nd. Be aware that this project is taking the place of the Government Canyon project this month. We will be doing normal karst project activities. Our first focus will be surveying and documenting all the known, unsurveyed caves and documenting and investigating all the known karst features. Caver camp will be at the Chapa's Group Camp area close to the southern end of the park. See the park map at the following link: https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/park_maps/pwd_mp_p4507_0115g.pdf Camping is available Friday and Saturday nights. We will start organizing at 9:00 in the morning so try to be there by then if you aren't staying overnight. Be aware that cell service in the SNA is spotty at best. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Caving Project News
Cavers, This email is an announcement from the Texas Speleological Survey and the Texas Speleological Association that the Karst Project at Hill Country State Natural Area is starting up again. I (Marvin Miller) will be coordinating it, along with still running the project at Government Canyon SNA. The only way I can handle both projects right now is if I schedule them on alternating months. To that end the first weekend at Hill Country will be February 1 & 2. The Government Canyon Project is still scheduled for January 4 & 5 but then the next dates for that project will be March 7 & 8 and May 2 & 3. The Hill Country Project dates will be the February date and then April 4 & 5 and maybe a date in June, before we break for the summer. The calendar on the TSA website will be updated accordingly. The original karst survey at Hill Country SNA was conducted in the mid 1980's shortly after the park opened. Groundhog Cave, Tag Team Cave, and a number of other caves were found during this period but the project was never completed. Several attempts have been made to start it up again and they have run for a short time, but then faltered from lack of interest. It is hoped that the core team currently supporting the Government Canyon project along with volunteers from other parts of the state can contribute to making this attempt successful. Contact me questions, comments, advice. An email with details on camping and other necessary info will follow in a few weeks. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers, The Government Canyon Karst Project will be starting up again on the first weekend of November. The schedule for the year has been added to the TSA events calendar on the website. Caving (ridgewalking, surveying, digging, etc.) will take place on both days of the weekend. Camping is always available. On November 2 & 3 we will meet at 9:00 in the morning in the parking lot of the Volunteer Resource Center (Ranch House). See the TSA website for a map and directions. Contact Marvin Miller for additional information. Marvin ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] consumer tip
HP has a new “Instant Ink” plan. You sign up for 50 pages a month for $3.00, 100 pages for $5.00, etc. They send you a set of ink cartridges to start with and then whenever you change them the printer communicates that and they send you new cartridges. The only thing you pay is the monthly fee. I signed up for it with my new printer. It seems like a really good deal, comparatively. Marvin On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 2:41 AM David wrote: > For anyone shopping for a new printer for their computer. > > I have a very tiny business, or at least I pretend to. I have > been trying to get by with old printers and fax machines for > most of my 21 years in business, and lately it was getting > frustrating that my printer and fax machine > was limited on certain features. > > Today, the straw broke the camel's back, and I had to go > buy a new printer. I had been shopping for months, so I had > a pretty good idea what I wanted. So I went to Sam's Club > and got their best HP printer, which as of this writing is the > OfficeJet Pro 9018. This model stands out slightly over > a lesser model sitting next to it, as the box includes full-capacity > cartridges, and a USB cable.If you are the kind of person that > prints a couple of full-page multi-color pages per month, then this > is a logical choice for you, as the cartridges are nearly twice the size > of printers that are slightly less expensive. If you are doing a lot > more color printing than that, then you need to order something online, > or go to MicroCenter or Fry's, an get an enterprise class, but those start > at $ 500 for HP models. > > This printer has some bells and whistles on it, like allegedly > voice-printing. > > If you have not purchased a $ 200 printer in the past year or two, you > might > be in for a surprise at how complicated the set-up is. You are going > to want > a 6-pack of your favorite beverage, and do your yoga or find your > happy-place > first. I would have to say you need to plan on a 3 step process and > take > a break between those 3 steps. 1 ) unboxing, drink your beverage 2 ) find > a place to set down the printer and connect the 3 cables.( You are > going to > need an extension cord, for example, and maybe even a USB extender ), drink > your bevarage. and > 3 ) getting your computer to finish the set up, drink the remaining 4 > beverages. > > > In my case, I have a Linux computer, so setting up an HP printer is > simple, if not almost fully automatic. > > This printer shakes when it prints, so if you have it on a folding table, > or > wobbly table, you are going to notice it vibrating back and forth. > > Everything about the printers in the home-market class are cheap disposable > quality.I can only hope it will last 2 years. > > It is no surprise, but even at Sam's Club the ink cartridges are super > expensive. > In my opinion, ink is # 1 factor in choosing a new printer. > > I have used Brother printers and faxes for the past few years. Those > will save > you money, but you are missing out on some features. For example, HP's > ePrint > works really well. And in my case HP printers are easier to install > than Brother. > > The cheap HP printers do not do photo-quality printing, but the pictures > are good enough to win > an NSS Award for a grotto newsletter. When was the last time a Texas > grotto > won a Newsletter Cover Award at the NSS Convention ? > > David Locklear > > P.S. I am on Day # 17 renting a room from some random stranger on > Craigslist. I am > probably going to try to stick it out till October. Things today are > better than they > were when I moved in, almost livable by my standards.The main problem > is the air-quality > coming out of the AC unit. > > David > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Snakebite management article
What do you do if you are hours out on a trail or in the woods? Do you try to walk out or do you just lay down and wait for help to come? If you are by yourself I guess you don't have a choice - unless you can get a phone signal. Marvin Miller On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:16 AM Geary Schindel < gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote: > Folks, > > As cavers, we get out and about in some places that we share with snakes. > Treatment recommendations have changed some since we might have taken first > aid. > > Here is an excellent article on Snakebite Management (Pre-Hospital) from > one of the forums I subscribe to. I think you will find it informative. > > The article was written by Dr. Spencer Greene who is an MD at Baylor in > Houston and specializes in snakebite treatment. He has treated more than > 600 bites from all kinds of snakes. > > I emailed him about treatment options in San Antonio and he also offered > to come make a presentation. I was thinking he might be a good speaker for > the spring TSA. > > While fatalities are rare, he notes that time is tissue damage and long > term disability is a possibility. > > I think you'll find this a quick but important read. > > > https://wsed.org/snakebite-management-pre-hospital/?fbclid=IwAR10kvndyfxVAA3_ovjSFo9izSMEmKxg_j03Aid4coN5xKtuSypZzAuz3T8 > > Enjoy > > Geary Schindel > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] caving release form
I noticed that too. Thanks for cleaning it up, Buford.
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>> This might be pretty old by now, but it’s a PDF:
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>> On May 11, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Marvin Miller wrote:
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>> Does anyone have a printable caving release form referencing the Texas
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[Texascavers] caving release form
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[Texascavers] caving release form
Does anyone have a printable caving release form referencing the Texas Sportsman's Law? This would be a good thing to post on the TSA website. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Photo & Map Salons
Cavers, I will be coordinating the photo and map salons at the TSA Spring Convention. The convention website has links to the salon pages where you can find submission rules. https://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2019/ Please note for photos that we will be having a print salon only. There is no need to bring a digital copy or submit a digital copy of your photo. Pick out your best photos from the past year and submit them. It is easy to get prints at Walgreens. Get your maps finished and printed. Let's have some great salons! Thanks, Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Sounds good.On May 18, 2016 7:19 AM, Amy Morton via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Hey Marvin, > > > I have 3 new grotto guys that want to come this weekend. I'm going to > forward this to them, if they call you, they're GHG (even if they don't know > it) > > > Amy Morton > > Bexar Grotto > > > From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Marvin > and Lisa via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 1:40:30 AM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: [Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project > > > Cavers, > > > > The date for the Government Canyon Karst Project for May has been changed to > the weekend of the 21st and 22nd. We will be surveying caves, digging on some > promising sinks, and ridgewalking. There are in-cave leads to be pursued as > well. This will be the last project weekend until October. > > > > We will meet at 9:00 in the morning at the Volunteer/Research Station (on the > porch or in the parking lot). To get there enter Government Canyon State > Natural Area at the main gate and then take the first right. (Don't go as far > as the pay kiosk). There will be a closed gate that you open with a code on > the keypad. The code is 1234. Follow that road for about a mile till it ends > in front of a building. The parking lot is to the right. > > > > Camping is available. Contact me to set it up. > > > > Marvin Miller > > > > (210) 415-5190 > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] October Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers, The October trip for the Government Canyon Karst Project is scheduled for October 3 and 4. We will meet at 9:00 both mornings in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. Enter at the main gate and then take the first right. There will be a closed gate that you open, drive through, and then close behind you. Follow that road for about a mile till it ends in front of the VRS. The parking lot is to the right. Camping is available. Contact me to set it up. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 http://www.cavetexas.org/projects/gcsna.html ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers, The Government Canyon Karst Project will be starting up again on the first weekend in September, the 5th and 6th. Project dates will be the first weekend of every month unless otherwise notified. We will meet at 9:00 both mornings in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. Enter at the main park gate and then take the first right. Open and close the gate behind you and drive approximately 1 mile to the VRS. The parking lot is on the right. Camping is available in the volunteer campground. Contact me to set that up. The website for the project is here: http://www.cavetexas.org/projects/gcsna.html ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers, The Government Canyon Karst Project will be starting up again on the first weekend in September, the 5th and 6th. Project dates will be the first weekend of every month unless otherwise notified. We will meet at 9:00 both mornings in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. Enter at the main park gate and then take the first right. Open and close the gate behind you and drive approximately 1 mile to the VRS. The parking lot is on the right. Camping is available in the volunteer campground. Contact me to set that up. The website for the project is here: http://www.cavetexas.org/projects/gcsna.html Marvin Miller (210) 415-1590 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: WONDERFUL STORY...
Fritz, If a heartwarming internet story like this sounds too sappy to be true then it probably is. I quick little fact check on a site like Snopes or truthorfiction would have told you that it is a work of fiction published in the 1970's and was never presented as fact. Share it with your friends if you like but please not to this list. Marvin Miller On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Definitely not caving related, BUT, even better, it's about life and love. You won't be sorry you read this. I confess, before I had finished I was welling up and had tears in my eyes and bet you will also. Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* June Levy kittymr...@aol.com *Date:* August 3, 2015 at 8:35:18 AM CDT *To:* Fran Bruce sfbru...@att.net, Vicki Thweatt vthwe...@austin.rr.com, Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com, Charles Miller cm...@aol.com *Subject:* *Fwd: WONDERFUL STORY...* *Subject:* *Fwd: WONDERFUL STORY* WONDERFUL STORY Please read It is a true story. ONE OF THE BEST STORIES I'VE EVER HEARD! As she stood in front of her 5th grade class on the very first day of school, she told the children an untruth. Like most teachers, she looked at her students and said that she loved them all the same. However, that was impossible, because there in the front row, slumped in his seat, was a little boy named Teddy Stoddard. Mrs. Thompson had watched Teddy the year before and noticed that he did not play well with the other children, that his clothes were messy and that he constantly needed a bath. In addition, Teddy could be unpleasant. It got to the point where Mrs. Thompson would actually take delight in marking his papers with a broad red pen, making bold X's and then putting a big 'F' at the top of his papers. At the school where Mrs. Thompson taught, she was required to review each child's past records and she put Teddy's off until last. However, when she reviewed his file, she was in for a surprise. Teddy's first grade teacher wrote, 'Teddy is a bright child with a ready laugh. He does his work neatly and has good manners...he is a joy to be around. His second grade teacher wrote, 'Teddy is an excellent student, well liked by his classmates, but he is troubled because his mother has a terminal illness and life at home must be a struggle.' His third grade teacher wrote, 'His mother's death has been hard on him. He tries to do his best, but his father doesn't show much interest, and his home life will soon affect him if some steps aren't taken.' Teddy's fourth grade teacher wrote, 'Teddy is withdrawn and doesn't show much interest in school. He doesn't have many friends and he sometimes sleeps in class.' By now, Mrs.Thompson realized the problem and she was ashamed of herself. She felt even worse when her students brought her Christmas presents, wrapped in beautiful ribbons and bright paper, except for Teddy's. His present was clumsily wrapped in the heavy, brown paper that he got from a grocery bag. Mrs. Thompson took pains to open it in the middle of the other presents. Some of the children started to laugh when she found a rhinestone bracelet with some of the stones missing, and a bottle that was one-quarter full of perfume. But she stifled the children's laughter when she exclaimed how pretty the bracelet was, putting it on, and dabbing some of the perfume on her wrist. Teddy Stoddard stayed after school that day just long enough to say, 'Mrs. Thompson, today you smelled just like my Mom used to.' After the children left, she cried for at least an hour. On that very day, she quit teaching reading, writing and Arithmetic. Instead, she began to teach children. Mrs. Thompson paid particular attention to Teddy. As she worked with him, his mind seemed to come alive. The more she encouraged him, the faster he responded. By the end of the year, Teddy had become one of the smartest children in the class and, despite her lie that she would love all the children the same, Teddy became one of her 'teacher's pets..' A year later, she found a note under her door, from Teddy, telling her that she was the best teacher he ever had in his whole life. Six years went by before she got another note from Teddy. He then wrote that he had finished high school, third in his class, and she was still the best teacher he ever had in life. Four years after that, she got another letter, saying that while things had been tough at times, he'd stayed in school, had stuck with it, and would soon graduate from college with the highest of honors. He assured Mrs. Thompson that she was still the best and favorite teacher he had ever had in his whole life. Then four more years passed and yet another letter came. This time he explained that after he got his bachelor's degree, he decided to go a little further. The letter
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers, The final project date of the season for the Government Canyon Karst Project will be on May 16 and 17. There are interesting digs to pursue and caves to survey and many caves waiting to be found. We will meet at 9:00 both mornings in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. To get there enter the park at the main gate. Take the first right and go through the unlocked gate, closing it behind you. Continue for about 1 mile to the VRS. A note of caution: Galm Rd. to the park entrance is under construction and the 30 mph speed limit is vigorously enforced. Camping is available. Contact me for details. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
The next Government Canyon Karst Project will take place on April 4th, Saturday only, beginning at 9:00 as usual. We meet in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. Enter the park at the main gate and then take the first right. Go through the gate, close it behind you, and drive approximately 1 mile to the VRS. Turn right into the parking lot. Some possible projects: Working on a lead and surveying Lilyhammer Cave. Working on leads in Big Dome Cave. Surface digs. Ridgewalking. Helping Donny Roland find a spring cave that he lost years ago. Turquoise Sink reconnaissance. Camping is available. Contact me to set it up. Marvin Miller (210) 415 5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
The February Government Canyon Karst Project is scheduled for next weekend, the 7th and 8th. We will meet at the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 on both mornings. Enter the park at the main gate and then take the first right. Open the gate and close it behind you. Continue on this road for about a mile to the VRS. The parking lot is to the right. Contact me for details. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] November, December Government Canyon Karst Project Report
November/December Government Canyon Karst Project Report *November 2, 2014* *Participants: *Luciano Bejarano, DiAnne Dahl, Lisa Hilbrands, Hanz Larson, Nicholas Martinez, Leah Miller, Marvin Miller, Brandon Parker, Matthew Shippen, Richard Silver, Joedy Yglesias Joedy brought a large contingent of Navy personnel—all but myself, Leah, and Richard Silver—to the project this morning. Joedy was the only one with any caving experience. I made up two teams. I put Joedy in charge of Matthew, Hanz, and Nicholas at The Dig to keep digging out the part of this cave that is a pit open to the surface. There is a possibility of uncovering more passage as fill is removed. The team dug out about about 1 cubic meter of dirt and rock but didn’t uncover anything that could be entered. I took the rest of the participants to Area 20 to continue ridgewalking. We found and recorded two features that do not hold much promise of leading into a cave. We also came across Feature 20-58, which Joe Schaertl found on the October trip. This narrow slot has good airflow, drops approximately 3m to a visible floor, and only needs to be widened slightly to make it accessible. It almost certainly leads to a cave. *December 6 7, 2014* *Participants: *Luciano Bejarano, Matthew Conner, Tom Florer, Lisa Hilbrands, Leia Hill, Chris Lafferty, Nicholas Martinez, Christin Miller, Leah Miller, Lisa Miller, Marvin Miller, Jake Miranti, Greg Mosier, Michael O’Campo, Donny Roland, Joe Schaertl, Matthew Shippen, Richard Silver, Joedy Yglesias *December 6* We had 3 teams on Saturday. Solitude Pit Team: Chris Lafferty attended the project again after having been out of town for several months. On his last project trip on a rainy day in April we found Solitude Pit. I hadn’t had a good team to go back to explore the cave, which has a 9+ meter pit requiring vertical rope work. Chris was raring to go, of course, and I sent Tom Florer and Donny Roland with him. Chris descended the pit, which lies just 2m inside the cliff-side entrance, while Tom and Donny waited to hear what he found at the bottom. What Chris found immediately past the bottom of the pit was a downward sloping constriction. The cave could be seen to open up beyond. He experimented with the squeeze, got himself stuck, extricated himself, and decided not to take any more chances. He tried hammering on it a bit but soon gave up with the report that it would take more technical rock-shaving techniques to enlarge it. With this report Tom and Donny elected not to descend. Tom checked a crawl inside the entrance to the cave and found it got too small. Iron Horse Team: Greg Mosier led Leia Hill and Richard Silver to the Iron Horse tract, recently added to the SNA, to look at two caves that are located there on the Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) GIS database map. Horseshoe Cave No. 2 was recorded by SWCA and the unnamed cave was described to George Veni and the location is an estimate. At the location for Horseshoe Cave No. 2, which the TSS database does not have a description for, they found a .3m diameter solutioned hole that dropped .5m to a bedding plane void. The feature was not big enough to get into. In the TSS database, the unnamed cave is described as a 1-meter-high tunnel that extends for several hundred meters. The only thing that Greg’s team found that was in any way comparable was a solutioned passage close to stream level that was only a little over 3m long. It is quite probable that the given location of the cave is inaccurate, and it may not be on SNA property at all. We will probably do some more looking for this cave in the future. 20-58 Team: I took Lisa, Christin, and Leah Miller and Joe Schaertl to the feature that Joe’s team found on the October ridgewalking trip. A meter-long crack, .2m wide, drops down almost vertically and can be seen to penetrate a ceiling or enlarge in dimensions about a meter from the surface. A dirt floor is visible 3 meters below. Our goal was to use the straws rock shaving method to break up a large rock chocked in the entrance and then to enlarge the entrance and get into the cave. Our first charge broke up the rock. That was the only success we had, as after that the next two charges set to open up the entrance just blew out the plugs. Subsequent charges didn’t go off at all, apparently a lack of battery power. It was my first time trying this method of rock removal, but it has been successfully used by cavers in other areas and I am confident we will overcome the difficulties on the next trip and gain access to this cave. When we realized we weren’t going to get anywhere at 20-58, we headed due south approximately 400m to FC-25, a cave found by Zara in 2011. This cave had not yet been looked at by the project and it needed to be surveyed. We got to the GPS location and didn’t see a cave. We looked around a bit and couldn’t find anything. The girls decided to take a rest after the long bushwhack and Joe and I started casting about
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
The next Government Canyon Karst Project weekend will be taking place on the 6th and 7th of December. There are caves to survey and many thousands of acres to ridgewalk. Government Canyon State Natural Area is located on the northwest side of San Antonio. Camping is available in the volunteer campground. Contact me for arrangements. We will meet on Saturday and Sunday mornings at 9:00 at the Volunteer/Research Station. After entering at the main gate, take the first right, go through the closed gate (shutting it behind you again), and proceed 1 mile to the VRS. The parking lot is on the left. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Where's it from?
Here's a Locklearian post: What ancient text is the following taken from? 1There is a mine for silver and a place where gold is refined. 2 Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore. 3 Mortals put an end to the darkness; they search out the farthest recesses for ore in the blackest darkness. 4 Far from human dwellings they cut a shaft, in places untouched by human feet; far from other people they dangle and sway. 5 The earth, from which food comes, is transformed below as by fire; 6 lapis lazuli comes from its rocks, and its dust contains nuggets of gold. 7 No bird of prey knows that hidden path, no falcon’s eye has seen it. 8 Proud beasts do not set foot on it, and no lion prowls there. 9 People assault the flinty rock with their hands and lay bare the roots of the mountains. 10 They tunnel through the rock; their eyes see all its treasures. 11 They search the sources of the rivers and bring hidden things to light. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] October Government Canyon Karst Project Report
October Government Canyon Karst Project Report *October 4, 2014* *Participants:* Bernadette Flehmer, Joe Schaertl, Casey Tucker The lone Saturday morning team was Joe, Casey, and Bernadette. It was Bernadette’s first time on the project. The team’s goal was to continue ridgewalking Area 20 in the NW corner of the SNA During the course of the day they found three features and a likely cave. The entrance to the approximately 3 m deep pit is 1 m x ½ m that narrows to just body-sized before belling out again. A rock is chocked in the narrow part and will need to be removed before the pit can be entered. Joe reported that a flow of air was coming from the entrance. *October 5, 2014* *Participants:* Crystal Martinez, Leah Miller, Marvin Miller, Tom Rogers, Casey Tucker Crystal, Leah, Tom, Casey, and I went to finish the survey of Big Dome Cave. This was Crystal’s first time on the project. I gave Tom a hammer, chisel, and crowbar and set him to work on a downward dig lead plugged with rocks at station A2. The crawl at A2 was also one of our survey objectives. First, however, we went to survey the small room at DD4 and check out the ceiling lead there. The ceiling lead went nowhere but at the top of the slope in the room a .4-m diameter hole dropped at least 2 m. Some rocks needed to be cleared from the top of the hole, so when Tom didn’t get anywhere with his first lead, I set him to this one. At the bottom he found continuing narrow fissure passage that, after a tight meter or two, opened into a standing room 3 m long by 1 m wide. There was nothing passable after that. The survey team tied the DD survey into the A survey and then surveyed 9.92 m from A2 to where the crawl got too tight. We also tied this survey into DD3 via the pass-through dug open by George, Lasha, and me on the previous trip. We ran out of time to survey the little bit of passage that Tom found. The survey length now stands at 357.81 m. This is the first trip to the cave that I didn’t feel good airflow. The next trip will be on Nov. 2, Sunday only. We meet at 9:00 in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. Enter the park at the main gate and then take the first right. Go through the unlocked gate and drive about a mile to the VRS. The parking lot is on the right. Camping is available. Contact me for more info. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Deep Cave Survey - Sept 20
Joe, Christin won't be going either. I will be there Sat. morning. On Sep 14, 2014 8:29 PM, Joe Evelynn Mitchell via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: There are a few spots open still for next Saturday's Deep Cave survey trip. If you are interested, please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks, Joe Mitchell 210-859-2105 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
The Government Canyon Karst Project will be starting up again on the first weekend of October, the 4th and 5th. We have thousands of acres to ridgewalk, lots of promising sinks to dig on, and caves to survey. Government Canyon State Natural Area is located on the northwest side of San Antonio. Camping is available in the volunteer campground. Contact me for arrangements. We will meet on Saturday and Sunday mornings at 9:00 at the Volunteer/Research Station. After entering at the main gate, take the first right, go through the closed gate (shutting it behind you again), and proceed 1 mile to the VRS. The parking lot is on the left. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information
I like to read Locklear. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Don Cooper via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks again for your help with the texas cavers remailer. In the past, I put a filter into my gmail profile to automatically dump all messages originated by David Locklear, However - with recent changes to the system - he seems to have gotten around it and - yeah, it's annoying to me that now I get these messages as 'David through Texascavers'... Tips? -Don C On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:53 PM, caverarch via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I'm all with Jon in thanking you for your efforts, Charles! Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Jon Cradit via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 11:10 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information Charles, I think the work you do and amount of volunteer time you donate is great. I have no issue with these technical glitches that the computers feel they need to throw out at us humans from time to time. Many thanks for fighting them off, JC ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
