[Texascavers] Dried Up: Hydrologists dig into Jacob’s Well, prepare for explosive Hill Country growth :
Dried Up: Hydrologists dig into Jacob’s Well, prepare for explosive Hill Country growth https://www.kxan.com/texas-water/dried-up-hydrologists-dig-into-jacobs-well-prepare-for-explosive-hill-country-growth/ Jerry Atkinson. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR CAVERS] FW: Carlsbad BLM Cave Karst Specialist
> Begin forwarded message: > > From: "'Foote, Jennifer - FS' via Southwestern Cavers of the National > Speleological Society" > Subject: [SWR CAVERS] FW: Carlsbad BLM Cave Karst Specialist > Date: October 28, 2022 at 10:28:46 AM MDT > To: "New Mexico Cavers (swrcav...@googlegroups.com)" > > Reply-To: "Foote, Jennifer - FS" > > > > > > From: Allen, Ty H mailto:thal...@blm.gov>> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 9:25 AM > To: Allen, Ty H mailto:thal...@blm.gov>> > Subject: Carlsbad BLM Cave Karst Specialist > > Please spread far and wide. Carlsbad, New Mexico BLM is in need of a > knowledgeable and experienced karst geology expert interested in cave > science. Thanks!! > > USAJOBS - Job Announcement > <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usajobs.gov%2Fjob%2F685311700=05%7C01%7C%7Cbc305b002f7e4366970b08dab8f8982e%7Ced5b36e701ee4ebc867ee03cfa0d4697%7C0%7C0%7C638025675084968796%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=9HZdFm4UnWg9LRb95inGiyRSUtvMagcc4KH8jjlyXxI%3D=0> > > <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usajobs.gov%2Fjob%2F685311700=05%7C01%7C%7Cbc305b002f7e4366970b08dab8f8982e%7Ced5b36e701ee4ebc867ee03cfa0d4697%7C0%7C0%7C638025675084968796%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=9HZdFm4UnWg9LRb95inGiyRSUtvMagcc4KH8jjlyXxI%3D=0> > > Natural Resource Specialist/Geologist > <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usajobs.gov%2Fjob%2F685311700=05%7C01%7C%7Cbc305b002f7e4366970b08dab8f8982e%7Ced5b36e701ee4ebc867ee03cfa0d4697%7C0%7C0%7C638025675085125481%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=MZ1E7UT8Cg1lqBzYRBF6h04FkiwCL2krbEyKCYmItzM%3D=0> > This position is located in the Pecos District, Carlsbad Field Office, in the > Resources Division. This position is concurrently open to all U.S. > Citizens under Announcement Number BLM-NM-23-11673108-DE-OPM. > www.usajobs.gov <http://www.usajobs.gov/> > > > .. > > Ty H. Allen > Assistant Field Manager -- Resources > Bureau of Land Management > Carlsbad Field Office > 620 E. Greene Street > Carlsbad, NM 88220 > thal...@blm.gov <mailto:thal...@blm.gov> > Phone: 575-234-5978 > > .. > > > > > > This electronic message contains information generated by the USDA solely for > the intended recipients. Any unauthorized interception of this message or the > use or disclosure of the information it contains may violate the law and > subject the violator to civil or criminal penalties. If you believe you have > received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete the email > immediately. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/BLAPR09MB61627646BF558DECC385E008E7329%40BLAPR09MB6162.namprd09.prod.outlook.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/BLAPR09MB61627646BF558DECC385E008E7329%40BLAPR09MB6162.namprd09.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Holiday Party Announcement – Mark The Date – December 17
Folks, Sue and I will be hosting our somewhat annual Christmas party for Texas Cavers, vagabonds, malcontents, and ne’er-do-wells. We would like to invite you and your significant others to a holiday party to be held on Saturday, December 17 starting at 5 PM cst and ending sometime on Sunday. Note that this is a potluck so please bring a dish. Sue and I will be providing a ham or turkey and we’ll have some beer and a grill if there is something you want to cook. If you have an adult beverage that you prefer, please feel free to bring it along. We would also like to collect a can or dry goods to donate to the San Antonio Food Bank from attendees. There will also be a White Elephant Gift Exchange so if you want to participate, please bring a gift. I would recommend a limit of $20. The only requirement is that all gifts MUST go home with their recipients. No live animals can be brought as gifts. Party address: 11310 Whisper Dawn St, San Antonio, TX 78230. Phone is 210 479 2151. Rules of the house. 1st. Don’t let the cats outside. 2nd. Please drink responsibly, we have plenty of beds, futons, and floor space if you need to spend the night or don’t have a designated driver. If you want to reserve a spot ahead of time, please let us know, we would be happy to have you. 3rd. We’ll provide breakfast for anyone that stays, and they can help clean up after the party. (we'll see if you can stare down some pancakes or eggs over easy.) 4th. RSVP isn’t required and people come and go throughout the night. 5th. Please don't block any of our neighbor's driveways. Please park along the curb and on the street. Stay off the sidewalks and don't block the street for EMS. 6th. All decisions by the White Elephant Gift Exchange judge are final. 7th. Service animals are welcome but please, no pets. However, Basset Hounds or any breed of hound dogs are okay. 8th. Kids are welcome but their parents are responsible for them. 9th. We'll have the hot tub up and running but please, no masks or snorkels in the tub. 10th. We will NOT have a defibrillator at the party. So, BYOD if you think you'll need one. Stay off the roof. It is metal and quite slick with a little dew or mist. 11th. If you're not feeling well, have a headache, runny nose, or fever, feel free to stay home. 12th. Stay off the roof. 13th. Have fun. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Workday at TSC
On behalf of Ron Ralph: Attention cavers, There will be a workday weekend at the Texas Speleological Center, 14045 North Green Hills Loop, Austin, in Hays County on Saturday and Sunday, November 5 and 6, all day beginning at 8:00 in the morning. We need folks to handle ladders, paint, drag and burn brush. Vico Jones or someone else will be repairing fascia on the office and will need assistance also. There are other chores (repaint the deck, cut Cedar, excavate around the barn) if enough people show up. Please come to work and visit. You may spend the night if you wish also. Hot dogs and smore’s provided. Please pass this on to others in the organization if you would be so kind. If you have questions, please write me or call. My address is ronralph at austin.rr.com and my phone is 512 797-3817 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Hondo cave featured on TPR tomorrow, Oct. 15
For those who missed the on-air broadcast of the Hondo cave, here's a link to the online article with audio. https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-10-16/cavern-discovered-on-a-ranch-in-medina-county --Bennett From: Texascavers On Behalf Of Bennett Lee Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:35 AM To: Sleazeweazel via Texascavers Subject: [Texascavers] Hondo cave featured on TPR tomorrow, Oct. 15 If you've been listening to TPR this morning, you might have heard a teaser for tomorrow's feature on a new cave that we discovered near Hondo, not far from Seco Sinkhole. My Facebook post about it went viral, and it made the front page headline for the Devine News newspaper (https://devinenews.com/exploring-a-treasure-beneath-the-surface-of-medina-county/). TPR reporter Jerry Clayton is doing a segment on the discovery during his show at 7:30 AM and 9:30 AM. Not sure of the complete content yet, but likely includes interviews with me, George Veni, and the landowners, and possibly some in-cave audio of Bree Jameson and Greg Mosier during our second trip there to continue exploring and mapping. Listen to the feature on: KSTX 89.1 FM (NPR/TPR San Antonio station) Saturday, October 15, 2022 7:30 AM and 9:30 AM You can stream it at https://www.tpr.org/kstx-89-1-fm-san-antonio or tell your smart speaker to play KSTX. --Bennett ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] World's brightest flashlights
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/energy/brightest-flashlight/?ftag=TRE834f6fe=%7B%24external_id%7D=%7B%24MESSAGE_ID%7D=%7B%24contact_id%7D The brightest one is $670 on Amazon, 10 lumens, 4 pounds with 3 fans to cool it! Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Seco Valley Ranch Report
Crystal, this would make an excellent article for *The TEXAS CAVER*. Jim On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:48 PM Crystal GT wrote: > Hello! > > Please Read the Attached Summary Report on Seco Valley, listen to the > National Public Radio report, and watch the video made by the owners below. > > *Please Watch the video that the Davis Family Made. It is superb!* > > *Here <https://youtu.be/Tv0r9-sphVg>: **(*https://youtu.be/Tv0r9-sphVg) > > https://youtu.be/Tv0r9-sphVg > > > NPR report on Woot Hole: Here > <https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-10-16/cavern-discovered-on-a-ranch-in-medina-county> > > ( > https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-10-16/cavern-discovered-on-a-ranch-in-medina-county > ) > > Thank you to Everyone that has contributed so far to the project and thanks > for reading, > v/r > Crystal Grafft; Bexar Grotto Trip Chair 2022 > crystal.gra...@gmail.com > 2192993460 > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TCR Survey Contest Results 2022
Hi all, This year's Survey Contest involved an about 110 meter long loop of eight stations to be surveyed with Suuntos and tape. The course included going through a flood water culvert, dealing with a survey shot that was longer than the provided survey tape, and a station located on a steel railing. Cait McCann-Terán and Oscar Berrones made 1st place with a loop closure error of 1.39 meters; yielding them cash prizes of $30 each, a survey pouch full of GGG goodies, a copy of Bill Steele's book Huautla, and a rare Caveskinz pouch. Team Rutherford's loop closure error would have been 0.46 meters, had they not flipped the vertical direction in the recording of a back sight shot (and who hasn't before?). As reward for making 2nd place Ron, Barb, Ashley, Rick, and Kevin got cash prizes of $20 each, as well as a number of GGG goodies. Many thanks to our main sponsors: the DFW Grotto for the donation of cash prizes, and Gonzo Guano Gear for survey pouches and a whole host of other goodies. Thanks also go to Andrea Croskrey for helping to design and set up the survey course, and Dale Barnard for helping with crunching the numbers. Cheers, David ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Hondo cave featured on TPR tomorrow, Oct. 15
If you've been listening to TPR this morning, you might have heard a teaser for tomorrow's feature on a new cave that we discovered near Hondo, not far from Seco Sinkhole. My Facebook post about it went viral, and it made the front page headline for the Devine News newspaper (https://devinenews.com/exploring-a-treasure-beneath-the-surface-of-medina-county/). TPR reporter Jerry Clayton is doing a segment on the discovery during his show at 7:30 AM and 9:30 AM. Not sure of the complete content yet, but likely includes interviews with me, George Veni, and the landowners, and possibly some in-cave audio of Bree Jameson and Greg Mosier during our second trip there to continue exploring and mapping. Listen to the feature on: KSTX 89.1 FM (NPR/TPR San Antonio station) Saturday, October 15, 2022 7:30 AM and 9:30 AM You can stream it at https://www.tpr.org/kstx-89-1-fm-san-antonio or tell your smart speaker to play KSTX. --Bennett ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TSA's Fall Business Meeting Sunday 10/16 at 9 a.m. at TCR
Update: pre-registration for TCR closes at 7PM tonight. Jessica Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2022, at 8:11 AM, Carl Kunath wrote: > > > Registration link closed at 08:00 Thursday! > >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 10:09 PM Jessica Gordon wrote: >> TSA's Fall Business Meeting will be this Sunday (16 October) at TCR at >> 9 a.m. in the Dining Hall. >> >> Here is the link to pre-register for TCR (this option closes at midnight on >> Thursday): >> www.cavetexas.org/tcr2022?fbclid=IwAR046aDQn1Y2OeyHtGgjV8i1Cqn_9O2vVXHugcXFT_vck0AKJZgJoOhcAo8 >> >> Hope to see you at TCR! >> >> Jessica >> >> >> -- >> Jessica Gordon >> Chairman, Texas Speleological Association >> chair...@cavetexas.org >> www.cavetexas.org >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Book tailgate sale at TCR
Hi folks, I will give away and/or take donations for old caving books and magazines at TCR, on the tailgate of my red Ford F-150. These books are from Bill Elliott and Logan McNatt. Logan could use the money. Look for a small sign, "Cave Books, Free or Donate." See y'all there. *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TSA's Fall Business Meeting Sunday 10/16 at 9 a.m. at TCR
Registration link closed at 08:00 Thursday! On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 10:09 PM Jessica Gordon wrote: > TSA's Fall Business Meeting will be this Sunday (16 October) at TCR at > 9 a.m. in the Dining Hall. > > Here is the link to pre-register for TCR (this option closes at midnight > on Thursday): > > www.cavetexas.org/tcr2022?fbclid=IwAR046aDQn1Y2OeyHtGgjV8i1Cqn_9O2vVXHugcXFT_vck0AKJZgJoOhcAo8 > > Hope to see you at TCR! > > Jessica > > > -- > Jessica Gordon > Chairman, Texas Speleological Association > chair...@cavetexas.org > www.cavetexas.org > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Bound Scientific American Mags
I know not caving, but science and photography other loves of Jim Jasek. Being a bookbinder he bound what he loved. These days everything is on line, but if any have an interest in or know an outlet for a bound collection going back to early 1950’s or earlier let me know. It will break my heart to add them to the land fill, but I could use the bookshelf space they are taking up for other things. Daughter may try to help me sell them on eBay, but thought I would ask here first. Thanks, Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] James Jasek Update
I don’t know last time I posted. Maybe after Jim somehow broke his hip. As time went by a doctor put him on a drug to help what they said was vascular dementia from his stroke made worse by more anesthesia for hip surgery. He did not take well to drug, and either that or severe drop in blood sugar (45 when got to hospital) from not eating enough for a while made him tear through house without walker, hit coffee table in den and crash and burn. Sunday 7/17. Hospital again, nothing broken, but could not walk. Rehab again for 49 days at 3rd choice due to others being full. Truly terrible experience, but they made him stronger and I became an even better untrained CNA in order to get him care he needed when not at work. Brought him home Thursday 9/8 in wheelchair with diagnosis of never walking again because his mind would not let him and worsening dementia - but needing 24/7 care then. Well, he had always told me he would walk when home, grudgingly let me bring him inside in wheelchair, then half hour later wanted his walker to get to bathroom. Slower and more deliberate, but pushed up from chair and walked. Of course he has a level of dementia which creates challenges, but he is in good health other than that and disability to mobility caused by stroke. Just got released from hip surgeon, nurse only here once every week or so till early November, and one week left with shower aide. That I will miss, for I have two bad knees, but…. My job is using me as a test case for remote employees, and I mostly work from home on computer even with new phone system. I go in as needed for me or them, and Jim is good for @ 3 hours or so. Once more afternoon personnel hired, I may go in less, but must still work 30 hours a week for years to come. I will not like the isolation of working here all the time, for then there is never a break from our existence. After this last experience in rehab, though, I will fight tooth and nail to keep him with me, and we will survive. We have been evaluated, have all equipment needed till hospital bed, and he is happier and better taken care of than in any facility. I am not much of a cook, but even my efforts are better than there, and there is slways take out! If you know who we are, send good thoughts our way, for I am all he has and I have no physical help. I still need about 2.5 years to make the 50 I want with him, so we shall see. Enjoy TCR, for know he will never make one of those again. Not sure what we will make as time goes by. Family and friends not comfortable around a stroke victim, and I have no patience nor energy to deal with that. I am a survivor and caregiver. Love seeing all the amazing new caving discoveries here in Texas! I miss our caving family, but am glad to see opportunities opening up to keep those who love what we do underground for some time into the future! Keeping those land owner relations strong and trusting has always been the key. With deepest regards, Mimi and Jim Jasek PS A couple of nights ago I was going through a box of his containing patches and decals and found our old original TSA patches and his EMT one! Oh the memories those brought back In my mind I can still smell cave! Such a world of beauty ❤️ Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Fwd: FW: Save the Date! GCSNA Volunteer Appreciation Party
Cavers, If you have participated in the Government Canyon Karst Project you are invited to the party detailed below. It’s always a fun time. Bonus – it happens on the evening of the next karst project day, November 12. Spend a day caving and then stay for the party. Marvin *Subject:* Save the Date! GCSNA Volunteer Appreciation Party Greetings from Government Canyon! You are invited to attend our Annual Volunteer Appreciation Party! DATE: Saturday November 12, 2022 TIME: 6PM until ??? WHERE: The Ranch House at Government Canyon State Natural Area. (Map attached) The gate to the Ranch House should be open. If not: to open the gate at the head of the Ranch House Road press 1-2-3-4…then press SEND. WHAT: BYOB and Pot Luck*. Campfire, door prizes, party lights, the whole enchilada. Casual dress; overnight camping available at the Volunteer Campground near the Ranch House. Let us know in advance if you plan to camp overnight. Spouses and children are also invited, provided they are your own. No pets please! This affair will be outdoors, scattered around the front yard of the Ranch House. There will be picnic tables for seating, but feel free to BYO chairs if you wish to increase space between yourselves and others. Food and schmoozing will be happening up on the Ranch House Front Porch as well, and around the outdoor firepit. RSVP or questions PLEASE REPLY to john.koe...@tpwd.texas.gov or to theresa.edwa...@tpwd.texas.gov B-there or B-square. John *If you have concerns about sharing food, feel free to bring your own meal. *John H. Koepke* Interpreter-Volunteers-Trails-Special Projects Government Canyon State Natural Area 12861 Galm Road San Antonio, Texas 78254 210-688-9055 xt. 2010 john.koe...@tpwd.texas.gov Map to Ranch House.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] check out today's NYT Vertex Puzzle
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[Texascavers] TCR Friday Night Wine Tasting
There might be a Texas Caver Gathering, Speleo Olympics, Meetings, and an Auction. We can’t know for sure. What we do know is that we’re bringing back the official - unofficial Friday night wine tasting at TCR! 10/14/22 We’ll be up top nearish to the vendors and other groups. Starts around dark 30 or really whatever time we get ourselves together. Look for the group of cavers loitering around a table with more wine bottles than seems reasonable. No official group food but someone usually brings snacks. Be like that person, wine goes better with snacks! If you don’t drink wine, you do you and bring what ya like. We’ll judge but we’ll still “taste” with you! Joe Ranzau 210.289.6839 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Maya Cave Podcast
Here is a National Geographic podcast from 2019 about a major Maya archaeological cave discovery at < https://www.nationalgeographic.com/podcasts/overheard/article/episode-4-cave-of-the-jaguar-god>. It's pretty well done. Mark Minton ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] State Natural Area Karst Projects set to start
Cavers, The schedule for the karst projects at Hill Country and Government Canyon State Natural Areas has been posted on the TSA calendar. Find it on the TSA website. Note that the project dates for November and December are on the 2nd weekends instead of the customary first. Note also that several of the project weekends are scheduled for Saturday only, though Sunday activities are possible if you set it up with me ahead of time. The first weekend at Hill Country SNA is only 2 and a half weeks away. Camping for the weekend is available. Contact me for more information. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Climate change threatens ice caves in Austria
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/09/220908112444.htm Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Anyone in Georgetown?
Cavers - Anyone in Georgetown? Need someone with access to a color printer and a willingness to hand deliver something for TCMA. Not urgent but by the middle of next week. Anyone? Ping me off list. jranzau at gmail com Cheers, Joe ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Preserve Managers
TCMA would like to congratulate our new Preserve Managers! Niki Lake has taken over the management of Ezell’s Cave Preserve. Many thanks to Gregg William for all his work as manager for the last few years, and to all his other work for TCMA. Greg Mosier is taking over the management of UCVC with Ben Hutchins stepping up as assistant manager and continuing to manage the cartography. Kudos to Lindsey Adamoski for all her hard work to get the preserve organized and to guide the preserve through the pandemic. Rob Bisset is moving from assistant manager to manager of Deep and Punkin Preserve. Thanks to Rob for stepping up the expand his role. Many thanks to Tom Rogers for his years of service; we will continue to think of him. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] New Preserve Managers for TCMA
TCMA would like to congratulate our new Preserve Managers! Niki Lake has taken over the management of Ezell’s Cave Preserve. Many thanks to Gregg William for all his work as manager for the last few years, and to all his other work for TCMA. Greg Mosier is taking over the management of UCVC with Ben Hutchins stepping up as assistant manager and continuing to manage the cartography. Kudos to Lindsey Adamoski for all her hard work to get the preserve organized and to guide the preserve through the pandemic. Rob Bisset is moving from assistant manager to manager of Deep and Punkin Preserve. Thanks to Rob for stepping up the expand his role. Many thanks to Tom Rogers for his years of service; we will continue to think of him. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Preserve Managers
TCMA would like to congratulate our new Preserve Managers! Niki Lake has taken over the management of Ezell’s Cave Preserve. Many thanks to Gregg William for all his work as manager for the last few years, and to all his other work for TCMA. Greg Mosier is taking over the management of UCVC with Ben Hutchins stepping up as assistant manager and continuing to manage the cartography. Kudos to Lindsey Adamoski for all her hard work to get the preserve organized and to guide the preserve through the pandemic. Rob Bisset is moving from assistant manager to manager of Deep and Punkin Preserve. Thanks to Rob for stepping up the expand his role. Many thanks to Tom Rogers for his years of service; we will continue to think of him. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Coahuila Mine Rescue
Wondering if anybody in this space was contributing to the rescue efforts. Also noting that "13" is now showing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/initial-dives-in-collapsed-mexican-mine-unsuccessful/2022/08/11/ff00477a-1995-11ed-b998-b2ab68f58468_story.html -Robert ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Missing Dog Found Underground by Cavers
A dog was missing. Cavers found her two months later 500 feet underground. ‘If we didn’t get her out, she would die in there,’ one of the rescuers said Full article: https://archive.ph/RdXWt Miles Abernathy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] The Texas Caver
Hi all, I am working on the next issue of The Texas Caver. If you would like to contribute, please submit trip reports, cave maps, or other content to chair...@cavetexas.org. Thanks, Jessica -- Jessica Gordon Chairman, Texas Speleological Association chair...@cavetexas.org www.cavetexas.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink Survey, trip #4
looked like a relatively narrow canyon. One of the drops was laser measured at 20 meters from a solid rig point. The upper passage level ended soon after the 2nd pit. A bit further back in the passage there was a third pit that dropped down a short distance to a pool of water but this was found to connect to the 1st pit. The team discussed rigging and then headed back to extend the survey as far as possible until the predetermined exit time was reached. From the bottom of the 4-meter drop a small hole led under the wall and then over an obstructing rock. On the far side of the rock the passage got large again with large breakdown slabs leading up into 8-meter wide, 1.5-meter tall passage bounded here and there by the walls of large, dry rimstone dams. A low, wide crawl headed back on the other side of one wall, paralleling the previous passage. A note was inserted in the survey notes to check this lead. The last station of the day was set on one of the large dams. The pits were about 20 meters of easy passage ahead, but it was time to head out. All goals had been very satisfactorily accomplished. The team started out at 5:45 and the last climber topped the entrance pit at 7:40. Report by Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Delta Variant is now Australia's deepest cave
Hidden passage leads explorers to deepest cave Down Under Entrance named after a variant of Covid-19, this Tasmanian cave is Australia's deepest, and now connected to the Niggly-Growling Swallet cave system. https://www.livescience.com/deepest-cave-in-australia Lee Skinner ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Thirteen Lives
The movie *Thirteen Lives* will be shown online at 7 PM CDT on August 11, free for AARP members: https://watch.aarp.org/aarpmfg/play/62e96e18560e2a00618b7b1c Miles Abernathy On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 11:17 PM Lee H. Skinner wrote: > Yesterday I watched the movie *Thirteen Lives* (2022, 2 hrs. 30 mins., > MGM Studios) directed by Ron Howard. In some ways it is better than *The > Rescue* (2022) or the PBS NOVA: *Thai Cave Rescue* (2019). It s also > very accurate, as one of the British rescue divers was on the set and > working as the Cave Diving Rescue consultant to Ron Howard to make sure > everything in the move was authentic and accurate. While the other two > films are I listed above very good documentaries, *Thirteen Lives* is > mostly a reenactment story starting with the 12 boys playing soccer. > There are many additional things covered here, such as watching a Thai > soldier drowning when his equipment failed - hard to watch - and people > diverting surface water from the sinkholes above the cave. It is now > streaming on Amazon Prime Video streaming, and showing in theaters in > select cities, and showing maybe more widely soon. > > Interestingly, there are more films about the Thai rescue on Amazon Prime > Video. I have not watched any of them nor know anything about them, > including another movie reenactment coming out next month: > > *Cave Rescue* (2022, 1 hr., 40 mins., Lions Gate, drama, $7/rent, > DVD/Blu-ray release date 9/13/22) > > *13 Lost: The Untold Story of the Thai Cave Rescue* (2020, 53 mins.) > > *Into the Darkness* (2020, 46 mins.) > > *Operation Thai Cave Rescue* (2018, 42 mins., Discovery+) > > > Lee Skinner > > > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Thirteen Lives
Yesterday I watched the movie /Thirteen Lives/ (2022, 2 hrs. 30 mins., MGM Studios) directed by Ron Howard. In some ways it is better than /The Rescue/ (2022) or the PBS NOVA: /Thai Cave Rescue/ (2019). It s also very accurate, as one of the British rescue divers was on the set and working as the Cave Diving Rescue consultant to Ron Howard to make sure everything in the move was authentic and accurate. While the other two films are I listed above very good documentaries, /Thirteen Lives/ is mostly a reenactment story starting with the 12 boys playing soccer. There are many additional things covered here, such as watching a Thai soldier drowning when his equipment failed - hard to watch - and people diverting surface water from the sinkholes above the cave. It is now streaming on Amazon Prime Video streaming, and showing in theaters in select cities, and showing maybe more widely soon. Interestingly, there are more films about the Thai rescue on Amazon Prime Video. I have not watched any of them nor know anything about them, including another movie reenactment coming out next month: /Cave Rescue/ (2022, 1 hr., 40 mins., Lions Gate, drama, $7/rent, DVD/Blu-ray release date 9/13/22) /13 Lost: The Untold Story of the Thai Cave Rescue/ (2020, 53 mins.) /Into the Darkness/ (2020, 46 mins.) /Operation Thai Cave Rescue/ (2018, 42 mins., Discovery+) Lee Skinner ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] 7 cavers added to The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers
Dear Texas Cavers and friends, This is sad news to share with you all -- seven more cavers added to The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers. Marc Tremblay, 31 July 1964 – 26 June 2022 Tom Rogers, 9 April 1970 – 22 June 2022 Dwight Deal, 18 April 1938 – 11 June 2022. In addition, see Deal_Album.pdf , Deal_poem.pdf, Deal_Pubs.pdf. Larry Willams, 1947 – 27 August 2021 (thanks to Carl Kunath for photo) Tommy McGarrigle, 12 January 1950 – 24 August 2021 Tom Wright, 12 April 1951 – 26 August 2019 Chip Carney, 10 March 1942 – 14 August 2013 Some were highly accomplished, some had modest caving careers, but we'll miss them all. Thanks to Susan Hardcastle Beaty, Francis Fehribach, Carl Kunath, and Carol Russell for assistance. Thanks to my friends Mary Fletcher Deal, Harvey Duchene, Art Palmer, and Geary Schindel for their work on Dwight's obituary. See https://cavelife.info/hall/hall.htm *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Brooks Cave, SD
Maybe another big one in the Black Hills, but only less than a mile so far: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2022/08/03/black-hills-sd-cave-divers-underwater-exploration-south-dakota/10148613002/ Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Scientists discover 200 'Goldilocks' zones on the moon where astronauts could survive
https://www.livescience.com/moon-balmy-zones "Of the 200 pits discovered, two to three have overhangs that lead to a cave, while 16 appear to be "'skylights"' to collapsed lava tubes. On Earth <https://www.livescience.com/earth.html>, lava tubes are hollow caves found close to the surface in volcanic <https://www.livescience.com/27295-volcanoes.html> regions — most notably Kazumura Cave in Hawaii Volcanoes <https://www.livescience.com/27295-volcanoes.html> National Park and La Cueva del Viento on Tenerife in the Canary Islands." _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
Way back then. In the days of old when we were young and foolish we were the cutting edge of cavers. The year was sixty something. Orion Knox was our leader. We were exploring and discovering. Susie Holstrom was my girlfriend and wife to be. We were mapping, traversing and pushing. I had mapped Cobb Cavern near Georgetown. That cave was a show cave as Bill Eliot calls them. Cobb is a subway tunnel like cave and was a tourist cave for a short while. The owner was a friend and pyramid scheme salesman selling soap (AMWAY). Anyway Susan and I along with Super Bounce and Faye and Bill mapped Cobb.Wa thought it would link up with Laubach cave... Inner Space. We then joined Orion and his team of mappers . . On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 7:35 PM Marvin and Lisa wrote: > Interesting. On my three trips through there I have not noticed any > airflow and have not thought the water was cold. Further back in the cave, > after you encounter an in-feeder, it seems colder. We haven’t seen any > larger fish – or any fish at all – in the main passage. Lots of large > tadpoles, though. > > > > Marvin > > > > *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On > Behalf Of *grub...@centurytel.net > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:35 PM > *To:* texascavers > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report > > > > Cascade Sink always had a problem with sunfish and bullhead catfish in the > main passage. Randy Waters pointed out that to find salamanders one should > look in the smaller upper passage that takes off to the left a ways back. > It is "perched" a few feet above the water of the main passage. When I was > working with Sam Sweet I went there a number of times searching for > Eurycea. Never found them in the main passage. Did find them in that left > hand side passage. > > > > Everyone always remarked on how much colder the water in the entrance way > was. The small, low air space passage to goes to the main water passage. > We attributed that to chilling of the small water body by the passage of > the constant high wind thru there. It was usually a very low air space and > quite sporting back in the carbide caplamp and bluejean jacket era > > > > Grubbsi . > > > ------ > > *From: *"Andrew Gluesenkamp" > *To: *"texascavers" > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:11:47 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report > > > > Those web worms are the predatory larvae of fungus gnats. No salamanders? > > > > Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD > > 700 Billie Brooks Lane > > Driftwood, Texas 78619 > > (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com > > > > On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 07:52:43 PM CDT, Marvin Miller < > cave0mil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > (For the first part of this story see the post dated 7/4/22). > > > On Saturday four cavers returned to Cascade Sink to continue the resurvey > of the cave. John Young rigged the pit and then rapelled. The time was > approximately 9:30. He announced from the bottom that the young > rattlesnake was still in attendance. Adam Daw went down, then Gerry > Geletzke, with Marvin Miller bringing up the rear. At the bottom Marvin > noticed that the other three had gone on through the low entrance passage > with their gear on. He decided to take his off there at the bottom of the > pit as had been his custom on previous trips. He hung his gear on a wall > projection above the small, muddy ramp poking out of the water at one end, > and then followed the rest of the team on into the cave. > > In about half an hour they were at Station D23, the end point on the > previous trip. The station was set at the start of a dam of stream cobbles > and gravel that rose out of the water and held back the pool on the > upstream side. On the downstream side the passage sloped down into a lower > pool and turned a corner to the southwest. The pool was small and they were > soon traversing a narrow bedrock-floored channel. Some small rimstone dams > from an ancient flowpath were holding only gravel now and then a narrow > side passage entered. The corroded flowstone showed that it was the ancient > source of the water. "Lead for skinny person" was noted on the survey > sketch. More potholes and gravel and a few meters further on, a drop down > into a small pool. At the far end of the pool the passage changed character > into a belly crawl on a bedrock slab. This was soon alleviated by a ceiling > channel. The passage then sloped into another pool followed by another > bedrock crawl. > > > > In bedrock slab areas Marvin noticed an interesting phenomena. Single > web-like strands hanging from the ceiling that he ha
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Scientists discover places on the moon where it's always 'sweater weather'
So we've messed up the Earth so much we can just go to the moon and mess it up. Linda On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 5:26 PM Lee H. Skinner wrote: > People could potentially live and work in lunar pits and caves with steady > temperatures in the 60s: > > > https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/places-on-moon-where-its-always-sweater-weather > > > Lee > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/1e3909b1-c5a8-58d8-c0e9-c21d108ee0dd%40thuntek.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/1e3909b1-c5a8-58d8-c0e9-c21d108ee0dd%40thuntek.net?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Scientists discover places on the moon where it's always 'sweater weather'
People could potentially live and work in lunar pits and caves with steady temperatures in the 60s: https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/places-on-moon-where-its-always-sweater-weather Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
Interesting. On my three trips through there I have not noticed any airflow and have not thought the water was cold. Further back in the cave, after you encounter an in-feeder, it seems colder. We haven’t seen any larger fish – or any fish at all – in the main passage. Lots of large tadpoles, though. Marvin From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of grub...@centurytel.net Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:35 PM To: texascavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report Cascade Sink always had a problem with sunfish and bullhead catfish in the main passage. Randy Waters pointed out that to find salamanders one should look in the smaller upper passage that takes off to the left a ways back. It is "perched" a few feet above the water of the main passage. When I was working with Sam Sweet I went there a number of times searching for Eurycea. Never found them in the main passage. Did find them in that left hand side passage. Everyone always remarked on how much colder the water in the entrance way was. The small, low air space passage to goes to the main water passage. We attributed that to chilling of the small water body by the passage of the constant high wind thru there. It was usually a very low air space and quite sporting back in the carbide caplamp and bluejean jacket era Grubbsi . _ From: "Andrew Gluesenkamp" mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com> > To: "texascavers" mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report Those web worms are the predatory larvae of fungus gnats. No salamanders? Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD 700 Billie Brooks Lane Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com <mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 07:52:43 PM CDT, Marvin Miller mailto:cave0mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: (For the first part of this story see the post dated 7/4/22). On Saturday four cavers returned to Cascade Sink to continue the resurvey of the cave. John Young rigged the pit and then rapelled. The time was approximately 9:30. He announced from the bottom that the young rattlesnake was still in attendance. Adam Daw went down, then Gerry Geletzke, with Marvin Miller bringing up the rear. At the bottom Marvin noticed that the other three had gone on through the low entrance passage with their gear on. He decided to take his off there at the bottom of the pit as had been his custom on previous trips. He hung his gear on a wall projection above the small, muddy ramp poking out of the water at one end, and then followed the rest of the team on into the cave. In about half an hour they were at Station D23, the end point on the previous trip. The station was set at the start of a dam of stream cobbles and gravel that rose out of the water and held back the pool on the upstream side. On the downstream side the passage sloped down into a lower pool and turned a corner to the southwest. The pool was small and they were soon traversing a narrow bedrock-floored channel. Some small rimstone dams from an ancient flowpath were holding only gravel now and then a narrow side passage entered. The corroded flowstone showed that it was the ancient source of the water. "Lead for skinny person" was noted on the survey sketch. More potholes and gravel and a few meters further on, a drop down into a small pool. At the far end of the pool the passage changed character into a belly crawl on a bedrock slab. This was soon alleviated by a ceiling channel. The passage then sloped into another pool followed by another bedrock crawl. In bedrock slab areas Marvin noticed an interesting phenomena. Single web-like strands hanging from the ceiling that he had assumed to be spider-made, each appeared to be anchored to the ceiling by a small white protuberance. Upon closer inspection this white object was seen to actually be a creature that resembled a millipede. The creatures were immobile and many, but not all, had the strands hanging from their position. Small droplets of condensation or some other liquid clung to the strands. It reminded him of the habits of the glowworms of Waitomo Caves in New Zealand. Photos were taken and the survey resumed. Exploration by John and Adam showed that a passage to the left would loop around and connect to the route straight ahead through the belly crawl. The choice was made to survey the passage to the left first. A short crawl led to an interesting slope of softball sized smooth, white cobbles. The passage then became a tall, narrow fissure and headed down-slope to connect with the route across the belly crawl in another shallow pool. The fissure continued straight ahead along a wall of fantastically eroded shapes. It then got too narrow to stay at floor level and had to b
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
Thanks, Andy! We have seen salamanders in the cave. I didn’t hear anyone mention seeing any on Saturday. Adam Daw was with us so I’m sure he was looking. Marvin From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gluesenkamp Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:12 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report Those web worms are the predatory larvae of fungus gnats. No salamanders? Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD 700 Billie Brooks Lane Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com <mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 07:52:43 PM CDT, Marvin Miller mailto:cave0mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: (For the first part of this story see the post dated 7/4/22). On Saturday four cavers returned to Cascade Sink to continue the resurvey of the cave. John Young rigged the pit and then rapelled. The time was approximately 9:30. He announced from the bottom that the young rattlesnake was still in attendance. Adam Daw went down, then Gerry Geletzke, with Marvin Miller bringing up the rear. At the bottom Marvin noticed that the other three had gone on through the low entrance passage with their gear on. He decided to take his off there at the bottom of the pit as had been his custom on previous trips. He hung his gear on a wall projection above the small, muddy ramp poking out of the water at one end, and then followed the rest of the team on into the cave. In about half an hour they were at Station D23, the end point on the previous trip. The station was set at the start of a dam of stream cobbles and gravel that rose out of the water and held back the pool on the upstream side. On the downstream side the passage sloped down into a lower pool and turned a corner to the southwest. The pool was small and they were soon traversing a narrow bedrock-floored channel. Some small rimstone dams from an ancient flowpath were holding only gravel now and then a narrow side passage entered. The corroded flowstone showed that it was the ancient source of the water. "Lead for skinny person" was noted on the survey sketch. More potholes and gravel and a few meters further on, a drop down into a small pool. At the far end of the pool the passage changed character into a belly crawl on a bedrock slab. This was soon alleviated by a ceiling channel. The passage then sloped into another pool followed by another bedrock crawl. In bedrock slab areas Marvin noticed an interesting phenomena. Single web-like strands hanging from the ceiling that he had assumed to be spider-made, each appeared to be anchored to the ceiling by a small white protuberance. Upon closer inspection this white object was seen to actually be a creature that resembled a millipede. The creatures were immobile and many, but not all, had the strands hanging from their position. Small droplets of condensation or some other liquid clung to the strands. It reminded him of the habits of the glowworms of Waitomo Caves in New Zealand. Photos were taken and the survey resumed. Exploration by John and Adam showed that a passage to the left would loop around and connect to the route straight ahead through the belly crawl. The choice was made to survey the passage to the left first. A short crawl led to an interesting slope of softball sized smooth, white cobbles. The passage then became a tall, narrow fissure and headed down-slope to connect with the route across the belly crawl in another shallow pool. The fissure continued straight ahead along a wall of fantastically eroded shapes. It then got too narrow to stay at floor level and had to be traversed by chimneying along higher up. Around a few corners it became apparent through holes in the floor that the fissure was following the trend of a low, wide water passage down below. They got to a point where there was a larger hole into the lower passage and the fissure was found to end about 10 meters ahead. John had earlier explored about 30 meters of the water passage ahead and reported clear water, several rimstone dams, and not much more than 10 cm of airspace. He got to a point where passage was blocked by stalactites. They decided to end the survey at the hole that dropped down into the water and went back to finish the two shots to close the loop through the bedrock crawl. After that they headed out, exiting the cave at about 6:00. In the pool at the bottom of the entrance, Marvin found the rattlesnake coiled on the mud slope immediately under where he had hung his gear. In trying to decide what to do to get the snake to move, he noticed a long cedar stick wedged by floodwaters between the walls of the pit and just above his head. He removed the stick and was able to use it to hook his gear and retrieve it safely. While eating dinner at the Dodging Duck in Boerne they studied the notes and the old maps.
[Texascavers] Ancient Lava Caves in Hawaii Are Teeming With Mysterious Life Forms
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[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
(For the first part of this story see the post dated 7/4/22). On Saturday four cavers returned to Cascade Sink to continue the resurvey of the cave. John Young rigged the pit and then rapelled. The time was approximately 9:30. He announced from the bottom that the young rattlesnake was still in attendance. Adam Daw went down, then Gerry Geletzke, with Marvin Miller bringing up the rear. At the bottom Marvin noticed that the other three had gone on through the low entrance passage with their gear on. He decided to take his off there at the bottom of the pit as had been his custom on previous trips. He hung his gear on a wall projection above the small, muddy ramp poking out of the water at one end, and then followed the rest of the team on into the cave. In about half an hour they were at Station D23, the end point on the previous trip. The station was set at the start of a dam of stream cobbles and gravel that rose out of the water and held back the pool on the upstream side. On the downstream side the passage sloped down into a lower pool and turned a corner to the southwest. The pool was small and they were soon traversing a narrow bedrock-floored channel. Some small rimstone dams from an ancient flowpath were holding only gravel now and then a narrow side passage entered. The corroded flowstone showed that it was the ancient source of the water. "Lead for skinny person" was noted on the survey sketch. More potholes and gravel and a few meters further on, a drop down into a small pool. At the far end of the pool the passage changed character into a belly crawl on a bedrock slab. This was soon alleviated by a ceiling channel. The passage then sloped into another pool followed by another bedrock crawl. In bedrock slab areas Marvin noticed an interesting phenomena. Single web-like strands hanging from the ceiling that he had assumed to be spider-made, each appeared to be anchored to the ceiling by a small white protuberance. Upon closer inspection this white object was seen to actually be a creature that resembled a millipede. The creatures were immobile and many, but not all, had the strands hanging from their position. Small droplets of condensation or some other liquid clung to the strands. It reminded him of the habits of the glowworms of Waitomo Caves in New Zealand. Photos were taken and the survey resumed. Exploration by John and Adam showed that a passage to the left would loop around and connect to the route straight ahead through the belly crawl. The choice was made to survey the passage to the left first. A short crawl led to an interesting slope of softball sized smooth, white cobbles. The passage then became a tall, narrow fissure and headed down-slope to connect with the route across the belly crawl in another shallow pool. The fissure continued straight ahead along a wall of fantastically eroded shapes. It then got too narrow to stay at floor level and had to be traversed by chimneying along higher up. Around a few corners it became apparent through holes in the floor that the fissure was following the trend of a low, wide water passage down below. They got to a point where there was a larger hole into the lower passage and the fissure was found to end about 10 meters ahead. John had earlier explored about 30 meters of the water passage ahead and reported clear water, several rimstone dams, and not much more than 10 cm of airspace. He got to a point where passage was blocked by stalactites. They decided to end the survey at the hole that dropped down into the water and went back to finish the two shots to close the loop through the bedrock crawl. After that they headed out, exiting the cave at about 6:00. In the pool at the bottom of the entrance, Marvin found the rattlesnake coiled on the mud slope immediately under where he had hung his gear. In trying to decide what to do to get the snake to move, he noticed a long cedar stick wedged by floodwaters between the walls of the pit and just above his head. He removed the stick and was able to use it to hook his gear and retrieve it safely. While eating dinner at the Dodging Duck in Boerne they studied the notes and the old maps. The survey of the day had obviously gone 10+ meters past the end of the old map. Randy Waters' hand drawn sketch of what lay beyond the showed a wide, water-filled room. Along the left wall at the end of the wide area was a traverse up into continuing passage that eventually ends in a large room. That is what the team will look for on the next trip. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Book Review: Aquanaut
*Book Review: **Aquanaut* *The Inside Story of the Thai Cave Rescue: A Life Beneath the Surface * By Rick Stanton with Karen Dealy, 2021 Michael Joseph/Penguin, Random House, UK $22.49 hardback, $18.95 paperback, at Amazon.com and other bookstores Cavers should read this exciting book about the rescue of 13 stranded soccer kids from the flooded Tham Luong cave, Thailand. *Rick Stanton *served for years as a firefighter, but cave diving was his passion. He is one of the top cave divers in the world, known for his careful, but daring explorations of the tough, deep caves of the UK and Europe. He was an outstanding rescuer, both at work and in caves. He was retired for four years when he got a call in 2018, asking him and others to come to Thailand. The book is a review of Rick’s major dives through the years, interwoven with a detailed account of the Thai rescue. In a way his whole diving career was preparation for the most daunting cave diving rescue ever. The alternative, advocated by some officials, was to let them live in a threatening environment for months, which probably would have killed them all. Their team brought the children out one at a time by sedating them with ketamine, administered by hero-diver Dr. Richard Harris and the divers. Each diver swam a single child out, each child wearing a full-face respirator and breathing 75% oxygen. The exit was highly choreographed, with segments of dry cave utilizing stretchers and pre-arranged divers. No one had ever given ketamine to cave victims before, and it worked! Even if you don’t like cave diving, you will like this book!! *Bill Elliott, 20 July 2022* ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Lost contact address
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wrote:
> A caver of the female persuasion offered a couple of years ago to help
> with the formatting/typesetting of william russell's book. Had an email
> meltdown, lost all data on that and my brain is asleep. If it was you, let
> me know
>
> thanks, and apologies
> katie
>
> Katherine Arens, ProfessorPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
> ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone: (512) 471-4123
> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300 Bldg.Location: Burdine 336
> University of Texas at Austin Office: Burdine 320
> Austin, TX 78712-1802
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[Texascavers] Lost contact address
A caver of the female persuasion offered a couple of years ago to help with the
formatting/typesetting of william russell's book. Had an email meltdown, lost
all data on that and my brain is asleep. If it was you, let me know
thanks, and apologies
katie
Katherine Arens, ProfessorPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu<mailto:ar...@austin.utexas.edu> Dept. Phone: (512)
471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300 Bldg.Location: Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin Office: Burdine 320
Austin, TX 78712-1802
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I would like to acknowledge that we meet on indigenous lands of Turtle Island,
the ancestral name for what now is called North America. I would also like to
acknowledge the Alabama-Coushatta, Caddo, Carrizo/Comecrudo, Coahuiltecan,
Comanche, Kickapoo, Lipan Apache, Tonkawa and Ysleta Del Sur Pueblo, and all
the American Indian and Indigenous Peoples and communities who have been or
have become a part of these lands and territories in Texas.
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Re: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch
I printed the pdf, read it cover to cover, learned some things about the beginning of caving in Mexico, and bought a printed copy. Not one to miss. Thanks Bill Elliott and Linda Mitchell for bringing it to us. Bill Steele > On Jul 14, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Reddell, James R > wrote: > > > I have read the book and found it very well written and a fascinating account > of > pioneering caving techniques and adventures. Wonderful historic photos by > Mitchell. > Bill has done a superb job of editing and laying it out. Well worth the money! > > James > From: Texascavers on behalf of William > R. Elliott > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:13 AM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch > > July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch > > The new book, Caving with Mitch, by Francis E. Abernethy, is available as a > free pdf to download at https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/ > > Caving with Mitch is the true and humorous adventure story of three great > friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or “Bob”), > and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning of > American caving in Mexico. > > A printed book can be ordered from Linda Mitchell at > lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com. Please copy me at speodes...@gmail.com. > > Payment by Venmo or PayPal is preferred to Linda’s email. Include your full > name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. > > We have decided that checks are acceptable, made out to Linda Mitchell, at > 1707 Antler Dr, Austin, TX 78741. There will be no cash sales. > > You must pay first to get a book. Send the payment at $20 per book, and we > will acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail postage to the > 48 contiguous US states. > > Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses outside > the lower 48 states. > > Sincerely, > > William R. (Bill) Elliott > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > speodes...@gmail.com > > 573-291-5093 cell > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch
Thank you for all the hard work editing the book and thank you for sharing. I've scanned the pictures which look great and look forward to reading the book. Geary On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:41 AM Reddell, James R < jreddell.ca...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote: > I have read the book and found it very well written and a fascinating > account of > pioneering caving techniques and adventures. Wonderful historic photos by > Mitchell. > Bill has done a superb job of editing and laying it out. Well worth the > money! > > James > ------ > *From:* Texascavers on behalf of > William R. Elliott > *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:13 AM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch > > > *July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch* > > > > The new book, *Caving with Mitch**, *by *Francis E. Abernethy*, is > available as a *free pdf* to download at > *https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas*/ > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcavelife.info%2Fcuevashistoricas%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C99853b61df1041bb199108da65b3de75%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C637934120456907273%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C=kazMMQSr5TlhTp%2F2tUR2qmDcNtWaYHytyP4w0reFulY%3D=0> > > > > *Caving with Mitch* is the true and humorous adventure story of three > great friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or > “Bob”), and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning > of American caving in Mexico. > > > > A printed book can be ordered from Linda Mitchell at > lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com. Please copy me at speodes...@gmail.com. > > > > Payment by Venmo or PayPal is preferred to Linda’s email. Include your > full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. > > > > We have decided that checks are acceptable, made out to *Linda Mitchell*, > at *1707 Antler Dr, Austin, TX 78741. *There will be no cash sales. > > > > *You must pay first to get a book. *Send the payment at *$20 per book*, > and we will acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail > postage to the 48 contiguous US states. > > > > Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses > outside the lower 48 states. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > *William R. (Bill) Elliott* > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > *speodes...@gmail.com * > > 573-291-5093 cell > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch
I have read the book and found it very well written and a fascinating account of pioneering caving techniques and adventures. Wonderful historic photos by Mitchell. Bill has done a superb job of editing and laying it out. Well worth the money! James From: Texascavers on behalf of William R. Elliott Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:13 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch The new book, Caving with Mitch, by Francis E. Abernethy, is available as a free pdf to download at https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcavelife.info%2Fcuevashistoricas%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C99853b61df1041bb199108da65b3de75%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C637934120456907273%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C=kazMMQSr5TlhTp%2F2tUR2qmDcNtWaYHytyP4w0reFulY%3D=0> Caving with Mitch is the true and humorous adventure story of three great friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or “Bob”), and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning of American caving in Mexico. A printed book can be ordered from Linda Mitchell at lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com<mailto:lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com>. Please copy me at speodes...@gmail.com<mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>. Payment by Venmo or PayPal is preferred to Linda’s email. Include your full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. We have decided that checks are acceptable, made out to Linda Mitchell, at 1707 Antler Dr, Austin, TX 78741. There will be no cash sales. You must pay first to get a book. Send the payment at $20 per book, and we will acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail postage to the 48 contiguous US states. Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses outside the lower 48 states. Sincerely, William R. (Bill) Elliott 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 speodes...@gmail.com<mailto:speodes...@gmail.com> 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch
*July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch* The new book, *Caving with Mitch**, *by *Francis E. Abernethy*, is available as a *free pdf* to download at *https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas*/ <https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/> *Caving with Mitch* is the true and humorous adventure story of three great friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or “Bob”), and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning of American caving in Mexico. A printed book can be ordered from Linda Mitchell at lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com. Please copy me at speodes...@gmail.com. Payment by Venmo or PayPal is preferred to Linda’s email. Include your full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. We have decided that checks are acceptable, made out to *Linda Mitchell*, at *1707 Antler Dr, Austin, TX 78741. *There will be no cash sales. *You must pay first to get a book. *Send the payment at *$20 per book*, and we will acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail postage to the 48 contiguous US states. Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses outside the lower 48 states. Sincerely, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cavers find pristine mineshaft frozen in time for 200 years
News from the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jul/12/cavers-discover-mineshaft-alderley-edge-time-capsule A pristine 200-year-old mineshaft that had been undisturbed since it was > abandoned by miners during the Napoleonic wars has been discovered by > cavers in Cheshire, revealing an almost unique “time capsule” of their > underground life. > The cobalt mine, at Alderley Edge > <https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/alderley-edge-and-cheshire-countryside>, > was sealed by the miners when the shaft was abandoned, at a date that can > be pinpointed fairly accurately thanks to one man who used candle soot to > write his initials “WS” and the date 20 August 1810 on the rock wall Miles Abernathy _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Marc Tremblay obituary available
Cavers, You may download the obituary for Quebec caver, Marc Tremblay, at this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axgptsctuckkuv4/AADi3TO5E_4H8lQS0wKtlRPka?dl=0 Thanks, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Marc Tremblay
I just added a 6th caver to the collection of death notices on Dropbox: *Marc Tremblay*, Beaupre, Quebec, Canada, Société Québécoise de Spéléologie, NSS 23743 Marc was an exceptional caver from Quebec who caved a lot in Mexico, in San Luis Potosí, Puebla and Oaxaca. We hope to learn more in the near future from the Société Québécoise de Spéléologie. If anyone has photos and memories of Marc, please send them to me. >From a note posted on Facebook by Peter Sprouse about June 28, 2022: "We are very saddened to hear of the passing yesterday of Marc Tremblay from cancer. Marc led the efforts in the Sierra Negra area of Puebla. Marc was a great guy, and I will miss him." Thanks to Carl Kunath for memories of Larry Williams; I hope you have a photo of him for me. I am placing material for these cavers on Dropbox at this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axgptsctuckkuv4/AADi3TO5E_4H8lQS0wKtlRPka?dl=0 Sincerely, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Larry Williams obituary
The Obituary for Larry Williams was surprising in that it does not mention his involvement with the Sul Ross caving community. In fact, Larry (along with his wife, Elaine) was a stalwart member of the caving group and served at least one term as its president. He was the author of most of their trip reports for the *Texas Caver*. It is no exaggeration to claim that he was a mainstay of west Texas caving in the early 1970s. The Sul Ross cavers gradually dissolved with time but Larry maintained at least a small interest in caving and with some of his former companions. The obituary rightfully describes him as a thoughtful, caring person. When the Sul Ross cavers had a reunion in 2004, they rented the Terlingua-Study Butte community center. On Saturday evening of the get-together there was a serious rain and the building suffered the result of many muddy foot prints. Sunday, when nearly everyone was on the road home, Larry and Elaine were on hand wielding mops to help clean the place. No one asked him --- he saw what was needed and pitched in to help. I remember him for that AND for his memorable moustache! ===Carl Kunath ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Information on 5 cavers who passed away
Hi Bill, I remember Tommy well. The Austin Statesman has his obituary online. He and John Kreidler accompanied Bill as teenagers on that first exploratory trip to Huautla. They left from my house. This is not for the caver obituary, but just about Tommy. He was a bit of a flower child. Once he showed up at our house early Saturday a.m. and I asked him if he had had breakfast. He said he had already breakfasted on wisteria blossoms. I think we persuaded him to have bacon and eggs. Again, not for the caver memorial-- Bill was on one cave trip with him where a bunch of people at night were sleeping packed into the back if a pickup, or maybe it was a tent? All of a sudden Tommy began thrashing around wildly and yelling, Mother! Mother! They're killing me! And crawled over everyone else to pop out into the open. He was having a nightmare. I don't know if they made him sleep outside after that. Maybe the Statesman memorial has more info you can use. It's good of you to do this. Carol On Wed, Jul 6, 2022, 12:15 PM William R. Elliott wrote: > Dear Texas Cavers, > > I hope you had a nice July 4. I am passing along some information on 5 > cavers who passed away between 2013 and 2022. > > I don't have enough information yet to write the usual full caver > obituaries, which we like to post on *The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers*. > So, I am placing pdfs of preliminary notices and obituaries for them on > Dropbox at this link: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axgptsctuckkuv4/AADi3TO5E_4H8lQS0wKtlRPka?dl=0 > > Here's a list of the departed, and I will follow up later with more > details on the website. > > Chip Carney, March 10, 1942 - August 14, 2013, age 71 (a "lost caver" > until recently) > Larry Williams, 1947- August 27, 2021, age 74 > Tommy McGarrigle, January 12, 1950 - August 24, 2021, age 71 > Dwight Deal,18 April 1938 - June 11, 2022, age 84 > Tom Rogers, April 9, 1970 - June 22, 2022, age 52 > > If you have any tributes or good photos about some of these old friends, > please send them to me. Thanks. > > Sincerely, > > *William R. (Bill) Elliott* > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > *speodes...@gmail.com * > > 573-291-5093 cell > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Information on 5 cavers who passed away
Dear Texas Cavers, I hope you had a nice July 4. I am passing along some information on 5 cavers who passed away between 2013 and 2022. I don't have enough information yet to write the usual full caver obituaries, which we like to post on *The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers*. So, I am placing pdfs of preliminary notices and obituaries for them on Dropbox at this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/axgptsctuckkuv4/AADi3TO5E_4H8lQS0wKtlRPka?dl=0 Here's a list of the departed, and I will follow up later with more details on the website. Chip Carney, March 10, 1942 - August 14, 2013, age 71 (a "lost caver" until recently) Larry Williams, 1947- August 27, 2021, age 74 Tommy McGarrigle, January 12, 1950 - August 24, 2021, age 71 Dwight Deal,18 April 1938 - June 11, 2022, age 84 Tom Rogers, April 9, 1970 - June 22, 2022, age 52 If you have any tributes or good photos about some of these old friends, please send them to me. Thanks. Sincerely, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report corrected
ature of the bedrock floor made > crawling difficult. It was 4:00 p.m. so the team decided to end the survey > there in order to make their exit time of 6:00 p.m. > > > > Tobin, of the push team, had a bit of excitement at the bottom of the > entrance pit. She was the last of the team to climb, and as she was getting > on rope in the knee-to-waist deep water the rattlesnake decided to join her > in the pool. She stayed cool and was able to avoid it and start > climbing. The survey team didn’t see the snake at all when they got there > and exited without incident. > > > > 105.5 meters were surveyed. More trips are planned to take advantage of > the current dry conditions. > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report corrected
I made a few corrections to the report. The cave is in Kendall County and Gerry's name is spelled with a z. Marvin Miller On Saturday, July 2, seven cavers entered Cascade Sink (not the commercial cave) in Kendall County. Three persons – Gerry Geletzke, Marvin Miller, and John Young – were a survey team hoping to find a sump in the cave open and pushing the resurvey of the cave further. The four others – Adam Daw, Crystal Grafft, Tobin Hays, and Mio Kitano – were there to take the opportunity to see the cave and ended up pushing further into it than anyone has been since probably the 1980’s. John rigged the cave with a nice rebelay at the ledge above the free drop. A rattlesnake on a ledge above the bottom pool provided some excitement. The first sump in the cave is in the low passage that leads from the bottom of the pit. It was immediately obvious that the water level was lower than had been witnessed before and that this passage would not be a problem. The survey team traversed this bit of passage with a nice 10” of airspace and popped out into the tall fissure passage that runs straight south and a little east for 105 meters to the second sump. This sump had not been expected on the first resurvey trip, organized by Jean Krejca on 10/19/19 and consisting of 3 teams. The plan had been to survey as much of the known cave as possible but it was cut short by finding the unexpected sump. On Saturday the survey team found it open with about 8” of airspace. The sump was about 2 meters long and then the ceiling went back up as the passage teed into a tall fissure passage. Surprisingly, on the other side of the sump an old steel anchor was found bolted to the floor. The only explanation is that early explorers, finding this sump frequently closed, installed a line to assist in the short free-dive. As the survey team started the survey the other team - let’s call them the push team – caught up. It was suggested that they explore to the left – upstream – which was plugged almost immediately at stream level with flood-borne debris, but which might be traversable higher in the fissure. The old map indicated that this was the case. A small stream flowed from the bottom of the debris plug and on down the passage to be surveyed. From this point on the passage was mostly hand-and-knees crawl in 20 – 30 cm of water. The passage was a tall fissure but got too narrow a meter or so above the floor, so walking was generally not an option. The passage width at floor level was typically 1.0 to 1.5 meters. The push team caught up to the survey team again and announced that there was at least 30 meters of passage they had explored going the other way. The push team passed the survey team and was soon out of earshot. At one point the floor in the passage sloped down and water level got to about chest deep. This chilled the survey team and they were happy to find just past this area a nice island of stream cobbles that spanned the passage and provided plenty of space to sit out of the water and eat a late lunch. While sitting there they heard the push team returning and soon saw their lights. They reported dry, crawly areas of passage, two dry pancake rooms, and several options for routes. They did not make it to the large room that is reportedly at the end of the known cave. Remarkably, they found leopard frogs living, and apparently healthy, this deep into the cave. Several places in the water passage, before the start of survey and after, large tadpoles had been spotted. After the push team headed out the survey team continued until setting station D23 (first station was D1) on a large dam of dirt and rock that seemed to be holding back water in the passage. The far side of the dam sloped down into water and a low-ceilinged passage. John explored ahead for a bit and reported that the passage comes out of the water but stays low and the rough nature of the bedrock floor made crawling difficult. It was 4:00 p.m. so the team decided to end the survey there in order to make their exit time of 6:00 p.m. Tobin, of the push team, had a bit of excitement at the bottom of the entrance pit. She was the last of the team to climb, and as she was getting on rope in the knee-to-waist deep water the rattlesnake decided to join her in the pool. She stayed cool and was able to avoid it and start climbing. The survey team didn’t see the snake at all when they got there and exited without incident. 105.5 meters were surveyed. More trips are planned to take advantage of the current dry conditions. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report correction
Cascade Sink is actually in Kendall County. M. Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
Excellent trip report, Marvin! Bill > On Jul 4, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Marvin Miller wrote: > > > On Saturday, July 2, seven cavers entered Cascade Sink (not the commercial > cave) in Comal County. Three persons – Gerry Geletske, Marvin Miller, and > John Young – were a survey team hoping to find a sump in the cave open and > pushing the resurvey of the cave further. The four others – Adam Daw, Crystal > Grafft, Tobin Hays, and Mio Kitano – were there to take the opportunity to > see the cave and ended up pushing further into it than anyone has been since > probably the 1980’s. > > John rigged the cave with a nice rebelay at the ledge above the free drop. A > rattlesnake on a ledge above the bottom pool provided some excitement. The > first sump in the cave is in the low passage that leads from the bottom of > the pit. It was immediately obvious that the water level was lower than had > been witnessed before and that this passage would not be a problem. The > survey team traversed this bit of passage with a nice 10” of airspace and > popped out into the tall fissure passage that runs straight south and a > little east for 105 meters to the second sump. This sump had not been > expected on the first resurvey trip, organized by Jean Krejca on 10/19/19 and > consisting of 3 teams. The plan had been to survey as much of the known cave > as possible but it was cut short by finding the unexpected sump. On Saturday > the survey team found it open with about 8” of airspace. The sump was about 2 > meters long and then the ceiling went back up as the passage teed into a tall > fissure passage. Surprisingly, on the other side of the sump an old steel > anchor was found bolted to the floor. The only explanation is that early > explorers, finding this sump frequently closed, installed a line to assist in > the short free-dive. As the survey team started the survey the other team - > let’s call them the push team – caught up. It was suggested that they explore > to the left – upstream – which was plugged almost immediately at stream level > with flood-borne debris, but which might be traversable higher in the > fissure. The old map indicated that this was the case. A small stream flowed > from the bottom of the debris plug and on down the passage to be surveyed. > From this point on the passage was mostly hand-and-knees crawl in 20 – 30 cm > of water. The passage was a tall fissure but got too narrow a meter or so > above the floor, so walking was generally not an option. The passage width at > floor level was typically 1.0 to 1.5 meters. > > The push team caught up to the survey team again and announced that there was > at least 30 meters of passage they had explored going the other way. The push > team passed the survey team and was soon out of earshot. At one point the > floor in the passage sloped down and water level got to about chest deep. > This chilled the survey team and they were happy to find just past this area > a nice island of stream cobbles that spanned the passage and provided plenty > of space to sit out of the water and eat a late lunch. While sitting there > they heard the push team returning and soon saw their lights. They reported > dry, crawly areas of passage, two dry pancake rooms, and several options for > routes. They did not make it to the large room that is reportedly at the end > of the known cave. Remarkably, they found leopard frogs living, and > apparently healthy, this deep into the cave. Several places in the water > passage, before the start of survey and after, large tadpoles had been > spotted. After the push team headed out the survey team continued until > setting station D23 (first station was D1) on a large dam of dirt and rock > that seemed to be holding back water in the passage. The far side of the dam > sloped down into water and a low-ceilinged passage. John explored ahead for a > bit and reported that the passage comes out of the water but stays low and > the rough nature of the bedrock floor made crawling difficult. It was 4:00 > p.m. so the team decided to end the survey there in order to make their exit > time of 6:00 p.m. > > Tobin, of the push team, had a bit of excitement at the bottom of the > entrance pit. She was the last of the team to climb, and as she was getting > on rope in the knee-to-waist deep water the rattlesnake decided to join her > in the pool. She stayed cool and was able to avoid it and start climbing. The > survey team didn’t see the snake at all when they got there and exited > without incident. > > 105.5 meters were surveyed. More trips are planned to take advantage of the > current dry conditions. > ___
[Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
On Saturday, July 2, seven cavers entered Cascade Sink (not the commercial cave) in Comal County. Three persons – Gerry Geletske, Marvin Miller, and John Young – were a survey team hoping to find a sump in the cave open and pushing the resurvey of the cave further. The four others – Adam Daw, Crystal Grafft, Tobin Hays, and Mio Kitano – were there to take the opportunity to see the cave and ended up pushing further into it than anyone has been since probably the 1980’s. John rigged the cave with a nice rebelay at the ledge above the free drop. A rattlesnake on a ledge above the bottom pool provided some excitement. The first sump in the cave is in the low passage that leads from the bottom of the pit. It was immediately obvious that the water level was lower than had been witnessed before and that this passage would not be a problem. The survey team traversed this bit of passage with a nice 10” of airspace and popped out into the tall fissure passage that runs straight south and a little east for 105 meters to the second sump. This sump had not been expected on the first resurvey trip, organized by Jean Krejca on 10/19/19 and consisting of 3 teams. The plan had been to survey as much of the known cave as possible but it was cut short by finding the unexpected sump. On Saturday the survey team found it open with about 8” of airspace. The sump was about 2 meters long and then the ceiling went back up as the passage teed into a tall fissure passage. Surprisingly, on the other side of the sump an old steel anchor was found bolted to the floor. The only explanation is that early explorers, finding this sump frequently closed, installed a line to assist in the short free-dive. As the survey team started the survey the other team - let’s call them the push team – caught up. It was suggested that they explore to the left – upstream – which was plugged almost immediately at stream level with flood-borne debris, but which might be traversable higher in the fissure. The old map indicated that this was the case. A small stream flowed from the bottom of the debris plug and on down the passage to be surveyed. From this point on the passage was mostly hand-and-knees crawl in 20 – 30 cm of water. The passage was a tall fissure but got too narrow a meter or so above the floor, so walking was generally not an option. The passage width at floor level was typically 1.0 to 1.5 meters. The push team caught up to the survey team again and announced that there was at least 30 meters of passage they had explored going the other way. The push team passed the survey team and was soon out of earshot. At one point the floor in the passage sloped down and water level got to about chest deep. This chilled the survey team and they were happy to find just past this area a nice island of stream cobbles that spanned the passage and provided plenty of space to sit out of the water and eat a late lunch. While sitting there they heard the push team returning and soon saw their lights. They reported dry, crawly areas of passage, two dry pancake rooms, and several options for routes. They did not make it to the large room that is reportedly at the end of the known cave. Remarkably, they found leopard frogs living, and apparently healthy, this deep into the cave. Several places in the water passage, before the start of survey and after, large tadpoles had been spotted. After the push team headed out the survey team continued until setting station D23 (first station was D1) on a large dam of dirt and rock that seemed to be holding back water in the passage. The far side of the dam sloped down into water and a low-ceilinged passage. John explored ahead for a bit and reported that the passage comes out of the water but stays low and the rough nature of the bedrock floor made crawling difficult. It was 4:00 p.m. so the team decided to end the survey there in order to make their exit time of 6:00 p.m. Tobin, of the push team, had a bit of excitement at the bottom of the entrance pit. She was the last of the team to climb, and as she was getting on rope in the knee-to-waist deep water the rattlesnake decided to join her in the pool. She stayed cool and was able to avoid it and start climbing. The survey team didn’t see the snake at all when they got there and exited without incident. 105.5 meters were surveyed. More trips are planned to take advantage of the current dry conditions. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Meet the explorer that could be 1st to search for life in Martian caves
Meet the explorer that could be 1st to search for life in Martian caves: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/01/world/mars-reachbot-cave-robot-scn/index.html Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] New book, Caving With Mitch
I also did not see any AMCS publications for sale at the NSS Convenbtion. There isn't anything new, though; as far as I know there hasn't been an Activities Newsletter since No. 42 (2019). :-( Mark On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 10:01 AM Bill Steele wrote: > Hola Bill, > > I printed a copy and am reading it. Wow, in the middle of page 14 Ab > tells about meeting and being befriended by Bertha Semple. I knew her. In > the fall of 1971 she and her husband, John, who lived across the road from > Edward James’ Los Pozos, took me in and I stayed about a month with them. > She sort of mothered me. I have some stories. > > Bill Steele > > P.S. I went to the NSS Convention in South Dakota last month. I visited > every vendor and saw no evidence of AMCS pubs for sale. Maybe I missed > them. > > On Jun 30, 2022, at 12:12 AM, William R. Elliott > wrote: > > *New book, Caving with Mitch* > > > > Announcing the publication of a new book, *Caving with Mitch**, *by *Francis > E. Abernethy**. *The 80-page book with color covers is available as a *free > pdf* to download at *https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas*/ > <https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/> > > > > *Caving with Mitch* is the true and humorous adventure story of three > great friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or > “Bob”), and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning > of American caving in Mexico. Only Dusty survives today. > > > > You will read about their famous trip to Sótano de Huitzmolotitla in 1960, > where they descended the 344 ft. (105 m) pit on a cable winch that they > engineered. This was before single rope technique was adopted by most > cavers. Their methods improved as they made more research trips. From 1959 > until 1977 they periodically explored caves, canyons, natural history, > biology, Mexican culture, and made many friends. They developed a deep love > for Mexico and Belize. > > > > They discovered the first species of blind scorpion in Mexico, and many > other species new to science. They collected blind cavefishes (*Astyanax*), > which led to important scientific publications. > > > > They had some hairy experiences. They rode a freight train to Copper > Canyon, their jeeps chained to a flatbed car, sitting on boxcars and taking > photos—until they saw a low railroad tunnel coming! Then there was the > driverless jeep that tried to pass them on the highway! > > > > I am the editor and publisher of the book, which is the first number of > *Cuevas > Históricas* (Historic Caves) on my website https://cavelife.info/*. *It > will be followed by other works about caves, especially lost or forgotten > cave maps and descriptions that have been rescued from oblivion. > > > > The pdf is free and copyrighted. A run of *50 to 100* *printed books* > will be for sale from now *until July 15, 2022*, followed by the printing > and mailout. The books will be perfect bound with glossy covers and a > spine. I am collaborating in this publishing project with Linda Mitchell, > Bob’s widow, Sharon Mitchell, Bob’s daughter, and Dusty Rhodes. > > > > To order one or more printed books, please contact Linda Mitchell at > lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com and copy me at speodes...@gmail.com. Payment > will be by Venmo or PayPal to Linda’s email, no checks or cash. Include > your full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. You > will send the payment at $20 per book, and we will acknowledge your order. > Your purchase includes media mail postage to the 48 contiguous US states. > You must pay to reserve a book. Please contact Linda about the additional > mailing cost for addresses outside the lower 48 states. > > > > Sincerely, > > *William R. (Bill) Elliott* > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > *speodes...@gmail.com * > > 573-291-5093 cell > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] New book, Caving With Mitch
Hola Bill, I printed a copy and am reading it. Wow, in the middle of page 14 Ab tells about meeting and being befriended by Bertha Semple. I knew her. In the fall of 1971 she and her husband, John, who lived across the road from Edward James’ Los Pozos, took me in and I stayed about a month with them. She sort of mothered me. I have some stories. Bill Steele P.S. I went to the NSS Convention in South Dakota last month. I visited every vendor and saw no evidence of AMCS pubs for sale. Maybe I missed them. > On Jun 30, 2022, at 12:12 AM, William R. Elliott wrote: > > > New book, Caving with Mitch > > Announcing the publication of a new book, Caving with Mitch, by Francis E. > Abernethy. The 80-page book with color covers is available as a free pdf to > download at https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/ > > Caving with Mitch is the true and humorous adventure story of three great > friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or “Bob”), > and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning of > American caving in Mexico. Only Dusty survives today. > > You will read about their famous trip to Sótano de Huitzmolotitla in 1960, > where they descended the 344 ft. (105 m) pit on a cable winch that they > engineered. This was before single rope technique was adopted by most cavers. > Their methods improved as they made more research trips. From 1959 until 1977 > they periodically explored caves, canyons, natural history, biology, Mexican > culture, and made many friends. They developed a deep love for Mexico and > Belize. > > They discovered the first species of blind scorpion in Mexico, and many other > species new to science. They collected blind cavefishes (Astyanax), which led > to important scientific publications. > > They had some hairy experiences. They rode a freight train to Copper Canyon, > their jeeps chained to a flatbed car, sitting on boxcars and taking > photos—until they saw a low railroad tunnel coming! Then there was the > driverless jeep that tried to pass them on the highway! > > I am the editor and publisher of the book, which is the first number of > Cuevas Históricas (Historic Caves) on my website https://cavelife.info/. It > will be followed by other works about caves, especially lost or forgotten > cave maps and descriptions that have been rescued from oblivion. > > The pdf is free and copyrighted. A run of 50 to 100 printed books will be for > sale from now until July 15, 2022, followed by the printing and mailout. The > books will be perfect bound with glossy covers and a spine. I am > collaborating in this publishing project with Linda Mitchell, Bob’s widow, > Sharon Mitchell, Bob’s daughter, and Dusty Rhodes. > > To order one or more printed books, please contact Linda Mitchell at > lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com and copy me at speodes...@gmail.com. Payment > will be by Venmo or PayPal to Linda’s email, no checks or cash. Include your > full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. You will > send the payment at $20 per book, and we will acknowledge your order. Your > purchase includes media mail postage to the 48 contiguous US states. You must > pay to reserve a book. Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost > for addresses outside the lower 48 states. > > Sincerely, > William R. (Bill) Elliott > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > speodes...@gmail.com > > 573-291-5093 cell > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] New book, Caving With Mitch
*New book, Caving with Mitch* Announcing the publication of a new book, *Caving with Mitch**, *by *Francis E. Abernethy**. *The 80-page book with color covers is available as a *free pdf* to download at *https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas*/ <https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/> *Caving with Mitch* is the true and humorous adventure story of three great friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or “Bob”), and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning of American caving in Mexico. Only Dusty survives today. You will read about their famous trip to Sótano de Huitzmolotitla in 1960, where they descended the 344 ft. (105 m) pit on a cable winch that they engineered. This was before single rope technique was adopted by most cavers. Their methods improved as they made more research trips. From 1959 until 1977 they periodically explored caves, canyons, natural history, biology, Mexican culture, and made many friends. They developed a deep love for Mexico and Belize. They discovered the first species of blind scorpion in Mexico, and many other species new to science. They collected blind cavefishes (*Astyanax*), which led to important scientific publications. They had some hairy experiences. They rode a freight train to Copper Canyon, their jeeps chained to a flatbed car, sitting on boxcars and taking photos—until they saw a low railroad tunnel coming! Then there was the driverless jeep that tried to pass them on the highway! I am the editor and publisher of the book, which is the first number of *Cuevas Históricas* (Historic Caves) on my website https://cavelife.info/*. *It will be followed by other works about caves, especially lost or forgotten cave maps and descriptions that have been rescued from oblivion. The pdf is free and copyrighted. A run of *50 to 100* *printed books* will be for sale from now *until July 15, 2022*, followed by the printing and mailout. The books will be perfect bound with glossy covers and a spine. I am collaborating in this publishing project with Linda Mitchell, Bob’s widow, Sharon Mitchell, Bob’s daughter, and Dusty Rhodes. To order one or more printed books, please contact Linda Mitchell at lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com and copy me at speodes...@gmail.com. Payment will be by Venmo or PayPal to Linda’s email, no checks or cash. Include your full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order. You will send the payment at $20 per book, and we will acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail postage to the 48 contiguous US states. You must pay to reserve a book. Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses outside the lower 48 states. Sincerely, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Change of Mailing address & Lengthy email
Mike and Others, Please let the SWR & Everyone is the Speleo- World know that I have a change of mailing address. It is now William (Bill) T. Bentley 3323N Midland Drive STE 113 PMB 221 Midland Texas 79707 My physical old house address is the same as as it has been since 19/30/1993 400 Eastwood Drive ( I just can't seem to get my mail there ) Midland Texas 79703 Here's is why and reading for your amusement! Yesterday I had to pay to go get a Pac Mail mailbox and there were so very friendly I was pleasantly pleased and I will use this cheap gas (LOL) to go check it every week or so, but it's near one my grocery stores so all is not a complete loss and today I started the arduous process of changing all of my mailings especially some lifetime membership magazines. (I already talked to Michelle at the NSS) All because the Untied States Postal Service is denying me the free service guaranteed to every property owner in this city ( Yeah right) if you you should dare ask your carrier who will be a different person from one day to the next then you will get threatened and cursed at by by Shirley at Claydesta Post Office in Midland and then hung up on. Real unprofessional and criminal behavior. She actually said we don't care your delivery and we want get you arrested by postal inspectors. I don't know maybe at some point if they do this to enough people something might change but I doubt it. and on another note: Okay I've given everyone over 2 years now to let them know that ca...@caver.net was going away. It's gone.. a autoresponder mostly ignored told ya so. If you still email me there. I don't know what to tell ya.. I can't fix stupid. Tired of even trying. I maybe crazy people but I'm not stupid! Sincerely and with love to all my caver friends especially the craszy ones! -- */This email comes from Bill Bentley/* */_bill.bentley@mygrande.net_/*___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Tom Rogers passed away
Thomas Wayne Rogers Thomas Wayne Rogers was born on April 9, 1970, in San Antonio to James and Judy Rogers. He weighed 7 lb 3 oz. He passed away suddenly on June 22, 2022 at 6:26am in San Antonio. He was 52 years old. He is preceded in death by his grandparents, Walter and Monte LaFern Rogers and L.J. and Marjorie Uher. He is survived by his parents, James and Judy, his two brothers, David and Jonathan, their spouses, fourwonderful nieces, and his girlfriend, Terri Shade. Tom was a carpenter and he specialized in making gorgeous decks. His style and creativity were known through the area. He was also known throughout the state for being an avid caver. He enjoyed traveling to various caves, help survey them, and teaching at various seminars. He will be greatly missed by his family and friends. He was a great friend, full of adventure, loved being underground, and NOT drinking from plastic bottles. Services will be held June 27, 2022 at 10:00 AM at Simons Ranch254 Megraw, Medina, Texas, with imternment to follow at Oak Rest Cemetery. Bandera, Texas April 9, 1970 - June 22, 202204/09/197006/22/2022 Obituary https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/25226327/thomas-wayne-rogers/wall Thomas Wayne Rogers was born on April 9, 1970, in San Antonio to James and Judy Rogers. He weighed 7 lb 3 oz. He passed away suddenly on June 22, 2022 at 6:26am in San Antonio. He was 52 years old. He is preceded in death by his grandparents, Walter and Monte LaFern Rogers and L.J. and Marjorie Uher. He is survived by his parents, James and Judy, his two brothers, David and Jonathan, their spouses, four wonderful nieces, and his girlfriend, Terri Shade. Tom was a carpenter and he specialized in making gorgeous decks. His style and creativity were known through the area. He was also known throughout the state for being an avid caver. He enjoyed traveling to various caves, help survey them, and teaching at various seminars. He will be greatly missed by his family and friends. He was a great friend, full of adventure, loved being underground, and NOT drinking from plastic bottles. Services will be held June 27, 2022 at 10:00 AM at Simons Ranch 254 Megraw, Medina, Texas, with imternment to follow at Oak Rest Cemetery. To send flowers to the family or plant a tree in memory of Thomas Wayne Rogers please visit our Tribute Store <https://www.grimesbandera.com/obituary/Thomas-Rogers/sympathy>. Funeral Service Monday, June 27 2022 10:00 AM Simons Ranch 254 Megraw Medina, TX 78055 *Grimes Bandera Funeral Chapel <https://www.grimesbandera.com/>* *** Thank you to Cathy Winfrey, Jim Kennedy, and Linda Palit for notifying me about Tom. *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Dr. Dwight Deal passed away
Thank you, Jim and Mimi. The Texas cavers have surely responded and have given me further comfort. I knew how well Dwight was known and respected -- and how looong he has known folks. His heart was always with them! With appreciation, Mary and Dwight's family > On 06/25/2022 2:37 PM Mimi Jasek wrote: > > > So very sorry to hear this He will be greatly missed! I know Jim knew > him, and I have heard and read of him since 1973 when I started my caving > life in Texas. Our community is once again diminished. > > Our thoughts and prayers go out to Mary and family and friends ❤️ > > Jim and Mimi Jasek > Waco, Tx > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 25, 2022, at 2:20 PM, William R. Elliott > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We have more info on Dwight Deal's dates: > > > > Born April 18, 1938 > > Died Saturday, June 11, 2022, 2:00 AM, Parker, CO > > > > Dwight fell asleep in his chair on Fri. June 10. Mary says that the > > coroner fixed the time of death at 2:00 am Sat. June 11. > > > > Mary Fletcher Deal is at chin...@comcast.net > > mailto:chin...@comcast.net > > > > Sincerely, > > > > William R. (Bill) Elliott > > > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > > > speodes...@gmail.com mailto:speodes...@gmail.com > > > > 573-291-5093 cell > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:15 AM William R. Elliott > > mailto:speodes...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > I have received reports that Dr. Dwight E. > > Deal passed away on June 10, 2022, in Parker, Colorado. > > > > > > This is a blow to the caving community. Dwight was a famous > > > caver and geologist, well-liked and accomplished in many ways. He was an > > > educator with expertise in hydrogeology, geomorphology, and environmental > > > science. He was a life member of the NSS (#3592), an NSS Director, a > > > Fellow, and a recipient of the Certificate of Merit. He was an NSS > > > Luminary speaker in 2012. He and his wife Mary Fletcher Deal were popular > > > leaders of educational karst tours in China, Laos, and Vietnam. > > > > > > From Harvey DuChene, his close friend in Colorado: “He died > > > peacefully while sitting in his favorite chair Friday afternoon. He had > > > partially eaten a roast beef sandwich and drank part of a glass of tea. > > > He went to sleep and quietly passed away. I visited his wife, Mary Deal, > > > last Sunday and she filled me in on the details of his passing. She > > > stressed that Dwight and she were living as normally as possible and had > > > just returned from a couple of months at their cabin in Terlingua. Dwight > > > was recovering from a debilitating bout of pneumonia that severely > > > stressed his body systems and he was doing physical therapy to help > > > regain his strength.” > > > > > > Dwight was about 84, but I do not have his birth date yet. A > > > small group of friends (including me) and family are writing an obituary > > > for the NSS News. If you have a personal story about Dwight, please share > > > it here on TexasCavers, if appropriate. We have many photos, but if you > > > have a good one of Dwight and Mary on an Asian tour, please send it to > > > me. > > > > > > If you would like to send a sympathy card, here is the > > > address: Mary Deal, 21810 Longs Peak Ln, Parker, CO 80138. I am not sure > > > which email she uses right now. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > William R. (Bill) Elliott > > > > > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > > > > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > > > > > speodes...@gmail.com mailto:speodes...@gmail.com > > > > > > 573-291-5093 cell > > > > > > > > ___ > > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Dr. Dwight Deal passed away
So very sorry to hear this He will be greatly missed! I know Jim knew him, and I have heard and read of him since 1973 when I started my caving life in Texas. Our community is once again diminished. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Mary and family and friends ❤️ Jim and Mimi Jasek Waco, Tx Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2022, at 2:20 PM, William R. Elliott wrote: > > > We have more info on Dwight Deal's dates: > > Born April 18, 1938 > Died Saturday, June 11, 2022, 2:00 AM, Parker, CO > > Dwight fell asleep in his chair on Fri. June 10. Mary says that the coroner > fixed the time of death at 2:00 am Sat. June 11. > > Mary Fletcher Deal is at chin...@comcast.net > > Sincerely, > William R. (Bill) Elliott > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > speodes...@gmail.com > > 573-291-5093 cell > > > >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:15 AM William R. Elliott >> wrote: >> I have received reports that Dr. Dwight E. Deal passed away on June 10, >> 2022, in Parker, Colorado. >> >> This is a blow to the caving community. Dwight was a famous caver and >> geologist, well-liked and accomplished in many ways. He was an educator with >> expertise in hydrogeology, geomorphology, and environmental science. He was >> a life member of the NSS (#3592), an NSS Director, a Fellow, and a recipient >> of the Certificate of Merit. He was an NSS Luminary speaker in 2012. He and >> his wife Mary Fletcher Deal were popular leaders of educational karst tours >> in China, Laos, and Vietnam. >> >> From Harvey DuChene, his close friend in Colorado: “He died peacefully while >> sitting in his favorite chair Friday afternoon. He had partially eaten a >> roast beef sandwich and drank part of a glass of tea. He went to sleep and >> quietly passed away. I visited his wife, Mary Deal, last Sunday and she >> filled me in on the details of his passing. She stressed that Dwight and she >> were living as normally as possible and had just returned from a couple of >> months at their cabin in Terlingua. Dwight was recovering from a >> debilitating bout of pneumonia that severely stressed his body systems and >> he was doing physical therapy to help regain his strength.” >> >> Dwight was about 84, but I do not have his birth date yet. A small group of >> friends (including me) and family are writing an obituary for the NSS News. >> If you have a personal story about Dwight, please share it here on >> TexasCavers, if appropriate. We have many photos, but if you have a good one >> of Dwight and Mary on an Asian tour, please send it to me. >> >> If you would like to send a sympathy card, here is the address: Mary Deal, >> 21810 Longs Peak Ln, Parker, CO 80138. I am not sure which email she uses >> right now. >> >> Thank you, >> William R. (Bill) Elliott >> >> 30105 Briarcrest Court >> >> Georgetown, Texas 78628 >> >> speodes...@gmail.com >> >> 573-291-5093 cell >> > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Fwd: Dwight Deal—Cuba
From: Linda Starr Date: Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 1:24 PM Subject: Dwight Deal—Cuba Bill Dwight and Mary both led 3 caver tours of Cuba. Dwight orchestrated the caver relationships, cave trips and geology education. Mary managed the historical parts of our travels and together the rest. These tours were divided into 3 parts of Cuba—Western, Central, Eastern. i was on the Central tour and it was so much fun, The Cuba Speleologists and others made us feel welcome and shared their stories with us. We were so happy to be with Dwight and Mary. Dwight was active with the Southwestern Region and one of the founding members of the Sandia Grotto. Dwight is missed. Cave Softly,驪 Linda Starr ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Dr. Dwight Deal passed away
We have more info on Dwight Deal's dates: Born April 18, 1938 Died Saturday, June 11, 2022, 2:00 AM, Parker, CO Dwight fell asleep in his chair on Fri. June 10. Mary says that the coroner fixed the time of death at 2:00 am Sat. June 11. Mary Fletcher Deal is at chin...@comcast.net Sincerely, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:15 AM William R. Elliott wrote: > I have received reports that Dr. Dwight E. Deal passed away on June 10, > 2022, in Parker, Colorado. > > > > This is a blow to the caving community. Dwight was a famous caver and > geologist, well-liked and accomplished in many ways. He was an educator > with expertise in hydrogeology, geomorphology, and environmental science. > He was a life member of the NSS (#3592), an NSS Director, a Fellow, and a > recipient of the Certificate of Merit. He was an NSS Luminary speaker in > 2012. He and his wife Mary Fletcher Deal were popular leaders of > educational karst tours in China, Laos, and Vietnam. > > > > From Harvey DuChene, his close friend in Colorado: “He died peacefully > while sitting in his favorite chair Friday afternoon. He had partially > eaten a roast beef sandwich and drank part of a glass of tea. He went to > sleep and quietly passed away. I visited his wife, Mary Deal, last Sunday > and she filled me in on the details of his passing. She stressed that > Dwight and she were living as normally as possible and had just returned > from a couple of months at their cabin in Terlingua. Dwight was recovering > from a debilitating bout of pneumonia that severely stressed his body > systems and he was doing physical therapy to help regain his strength.” > > > > Dwight was about 84, but I do not have his birth date yet. A small group > of friends (including me) and family are writing an obituary for the *NSS > News*. If you have a personal story about Dwight, please share it here on > TexasCavers, if appropriate. We have many photos, but if you have a good > one of Dwight and Mary on an Asian tour, please send it to me. > > > If you would like to send a sympathy card, here is the address: Mary Deal, > 21810 Longs Peak Ln, Parker, CO 80138. I am not sure which email she uses > right now. > > > Thank you, > > *William R. (Bill) Elliott* > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > *speodes...@gmail.com * > > 573-291-5093 cell > _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] email re Dwight sent too soon
Mary, I hope I had your address right-- 21810 Longs Peak Ln Parker, CO 80138 Is that correct? Bill E, On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 1:44 PM William R. Elliott wrote: > Got it! Thanks. > > *William R. (Bill) Elliott* > > 30105 Briarcrest Court > > Georgetown, Texas 78628 > > *speodes...@gmail.com * > > 573-291-5093 cell > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 1:32 PM Mary Fletcher Deal > wrote: > >> Sorry, guess I was pulling a Dwight and responding way too long to your >> question, Bill. However, where I left off >> >> ...he said, "My mother wants to know WHEN are we going to get married?" >> Oh, I could say no to him but his mother? >> >> His D.O.B. is 4/18/38. >> >> I'll see if I can respond to other questions. >> Thank you, Bill, >> Mary >> > _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] email re Dwight sent too soon
Got it! Thanks. *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 1:32 PM Mary Fletcher Deal wrote: > Sorry, guess I was pulling a Dwight and responding way too long to your > question, Bill. However, where I left off > > ...he said, "My mother wants to know WHEN are we going to get married?" > Oh, I could say no to him but his mother? > > His D.O.B. is 4/18/38. > > I'll see if I can respond to other questions. > Thank you, Bill, > Mary > _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Tom "TFR" Rogers - TCMA Memoriam
On behalf of Crash Kennedy and the TCMA: To all Texas cavers, including ex-cavers, and ex-Texans, It has taken me several days to compose this letter. I am saddened, confused, and angry about the recent and sudden passing of our good friend and strong TCMA supporter, Tom Rogers. Everybody knew Tom; he was just that kind of a guy. He was a hard caver, and to the amazement and amusement of his friends, he often caved shirtless, and in shorts. Tom was a hard worker, but he also knew how to have a good time at parties and other caver events. Tom was an essential and coveted team member on tank hauls and survey trips to Honey Creek Cave (where he actually got cold), Deep Cave, the many pits of Múzquiz, and many others. TCMA is especially indebted to Tom for the construction work he did on the shower house and back deck at our cabin on the Deep and Punkin Property. Tom left a large hole in the caving world. May Oztotl watch over him, wherever he may go. Jim “Crash” Kennedy TCMA President ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Dr. Dwight Deal passed away
I have received reports that Dr. Dwight E. Deal passed away on June 10, 2022, in Parker, Colorado. This is a blow to the caving community. Dwight was a famous caver and geologist, well-liked and accomplished in many ways. He was an educator with expertise in hydrogeology, geomorphology, and environmental science. He was a life member of the NSS (#3592), an NSS Director, a Fellow, and a recipient of the Certificate of Merit. He was an NSS Luminary speaker in 2012. He and his wife Mary Fletcher Deal were popular leaders of educational karst tours in China, Laos, and Vietnam. >From Harvey DuChene, his close friend in Colorado: “He died peacefully while sitting in his favorite chair Friday afternoon. He had partially eaten a roast beef sandwich and drank part of a glass of tea. He went to sleep and quietly passed away. I visited his wife, Mary Deal, last Sunday and she filled me in on the details of his passing. She stressed that Dwight and she were living as normally as possible and had just returned from a couple of months at their cabin in Terlingua. Dwight was recovering from a debilitating bout of pneumonia that severely stressed his body systems and he was doing physical therapy to help regain his strength.” Dwight was about 84, but I do not have his birth date yet. A small group of friends (including me) and family are writing an obituary for the *NSS News*. If you have a personal story about Dwight, please share it here on TexasCavers, if appropriate. We have many photos, but if you have a good one of Dwight and Mary on an Asian tour, please send it to me. If you would like to send a sympathy card, here is the address: Mary Deal, 21810 Longs Peak Ln, Parker, CO 80138. I am not sure which email she uses right now. Thank you, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Aquismon, is in the news
It happened a couple of weeks ago. Bottom line, don’t join a cartel. Allan Smart phone, stupid autocorrect > On Jun 24, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Jon wrote: > > > In the news: > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/7-bodies-dumped-huasteca-mexico-warning-messages-corpses/ > > Has anyone else heard about this? > > J > > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave
hat must have been a slight >> slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then >> had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come back and attack >> the lower passage, the slab would first need to be eliminated. We continued >> pounding on it - with some care to have an escape route - and eventually >> were able to lever it and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of >> that ended up doing for us was open up space over the top of the slab to >> crawl across and see what lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage >> took a sharp right turn and followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio >> ventured in and I noticed that I could see a reflection of her light on the >> pool in the lower passage. There were holes in the floor. In fact, she >> remarked that the floor was not stable and there was a danger of falling >> through. Several rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. >> About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see >> around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that >> Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level >> constriction. >> >> The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not >> very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We >> left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. >> >> Marvin Miller >> > > > -- > *Go find out!* > -Heather Tuček > TSA Membership Chair > NSS 59660 > (512) 773-1348 > members...@cavetexas.org > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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pace over the top of the slab to > crawl across and see what lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage > took a sharp right turn and followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio > ventured in and I noticed that I could see a reflection of her light on the > pool in the lower passage. There were holes in the floor. In fact, she > remarked that the floor was not stable and there was a danger of falling > through. Several rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. > About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see > around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that > Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level > constriction. > > The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not > very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We > left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. > > Marvin Miller > -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček TSA Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 members...@cavetexas.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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A really interesting, descriptive, and well written trip report. Great for us temporary shut-ins! Mark From: Marvin Miller Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 5:34 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave Good name. We will keep it! On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 1:29 PM Kurt Menking wrote: Flaco in Spanish is skinny. Team skinny On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 12:06 PM Marvin Miller wrote: team flaco? I don't get the reference. On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 8:15 AM Kurt Menking wrote: Great trip. Congrats to team flaco. On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 9:14 PM Marvin Miller wrote: Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit of muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot was 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some drops falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had first seen this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because there is a slot in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next little space 2 meters below but then there is another, tighter constriction. There is no airflow so this is not a high priority lead. We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the entrance till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the passage. This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that makes up the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters along the breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a small room, the floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a small, horizontal tube in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed and can be seen to extend at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to me, at least) because it looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get into it there is actually a little more space than that, and only one spot where you are scraping floor and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you encounter a cross-joint which provides some relief, and immediately after that the floor drops down into a fissure and then the passage widens, opens up to the right, and drops over a ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee pushed this passage and discovered this room. A small trickle of water falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At floor level a duck under the ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of passage, at the end of which was today's objective. At that point the floor trends slightly down and the ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, which is clean-washed from that point. I had tried to cram myself into this lead when Bennett, Greg Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it was a no-go. I couldn't even get far enough to see around the near corner. Kelsey is a skinny girl and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the floor just after it gets tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to get wet, but in the end she committed to it and soon disappeared around the corner. She kept a running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was going to open up to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon there and continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another short constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She had to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on the other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water crawl below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a 2 meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we had some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns beating on the near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I decided it was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely drilled 4 cm into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The only way to rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the remainder of the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come
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beating on >>>> the near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I >>>> decided it was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely >>>> drilled 4 cm into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The >>>> only way to rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on >>>> that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. >>>> This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the >>>> remainder of the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight >>>> slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then >>>> had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come back and attack >>>> the lower passage, the slab would first need to be eliminated. We continued >>>> pounding on it - with some care to have an escape route - and eventually >>>> were able to lever it and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of >>>> that ended up doing for us was open up space over the top of the slab to >>>> crawl across and see what lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage >>>> took a sharp right turn and followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio >>>> ventured in and I noticed that I could see a reflection of her light on the >>>> pool in the lower passage. There were holes in the floor. In fact, she >>>> remarked that the floor was not stable and there was a danger of falling >>>> through. Several rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. >>>> About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see >>>> around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that >>>> Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level >>>> constriction. >>>> >>>> The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was >>>> not very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. >>>> We left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. >>>> >>>> Marvin Miller >>>> ___ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>>> >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers: Dinosaur Cave
time to resurrect William's Golden Crowbar award . . . k On 05.06.2022, at 19:25, Lee H. Skinner mailto:skin...@thuntek.net>> wrote: Thanks, Marvin. A great report that all cave diggers will love! Lee Skinner On 6/5/2022 10:00 AM, texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com> wrote: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 21:14:11 -0500 From: Marvin Millermailto:cave0mil...@gmail.com>> To:Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave Message-ID: mailto:CAF-yGDz21F4TxP1rh_vidyN3-P7OAw1oHVtCDXEPnY0rOd2L=g...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit of muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot was 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some drops falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had first seen this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because there is a slot in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next little space 2 meters below but then there is another, tighter constriction. There is no airflow so this is not a high priority lead. We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the entrance till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the passage. This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that makes up the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters along the breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a small room, the floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a small, horizontal tube in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed and can be seen to extend at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to me, at least) because it looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get into it there is actually a little more space than that, and only one spot where you are scraping floor and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you encounter a cross-joint which provides some relief, and immediately after that the floor drops down into a fissure and then the passage widens, opens up to the right, and drops over a ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee pushed this passage and discovered this room. A small trickle of water falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At floor level a duck under the ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of passage, at the end of which was today's objective. At that point the floor trends slightly down and the ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, which is clean-washed from that point. I had tried to cram myself into this lead when Bennett, Greg Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it was a no-go. I couldn't even get far enough to see around the near corner. Kelsey is a skinny girl and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the floor just after it gets tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to get wet, but in the end she committed to it and soon disappeared around the corner. She kept a running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was going to open up to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon there and continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another short constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She had to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on the other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water crawl below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a 2 meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we had some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns beating on the near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I decided it was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely drilled 4 cm into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The only way to rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the remainder of the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come bac
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ed in on >>> that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. >>> This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the >>> remainder of the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight >>> slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then >>> had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come back and attack >>> the lower passage, the slab would first need to be eliminated. We continued >>> pounding on it - with some care to have an escape route - and eventually >>> were able to lever it and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of >>> that ended up doing for us was open up space over the top of the slab to >>> crawl across and see what lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage >>> took a sharp right turn and followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio >>> ventured in and I noticed that I could see a reflection of her light on the >>> pool in the lower passage. There were holes in the floor. In fact, she >>> remarked that the floor was not stable and there was a danger of falling >>> through. Several rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. >>> About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see >>> around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that >>> Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level >>> constriction. >>> >>> The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not >>> very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We >>> left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. >>> >>> Marvin Miller >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers: Dinosaur Cave
Thanks, Marvin. A great report that all cave diggers will love! Lee Skinner On 6/5/2022 10:00 AM, texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com wrote: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 21:14:11 -0500 From: Marvin Miller To:Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit of muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot was 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some drops falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had first seen this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because there is a slot in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next little space 2 meters below but then there is another, tighter constriction. There is no airflow so this is not a high priority lead. We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the entrance till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the passage. This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that makes up the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters along the breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a small room, the floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a small, horizontal tube in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed and can be seen to extend at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to me, at least) because it looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get into it there is actually a little more space than that, and only one spot where you are scraping floor and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you encounter a cross-joint which provides some relief, and immediately after that the floor drops down into a fissure and then the passage widens, opens up to the right, and drops over a ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee pushed this passage and discovered this room. A small trickle of water falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At floor level a duck under the ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of passage, at the end of which was today's objective. At that point the floor trends slightly down and the ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, which is clean-washed from that point. I had tried to cram myself into this lead when Bennett, Greg Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it was a no-go. I couldn't even get far enough to see around the near corner. Kelsey is a skinny girl and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the floor just after it gets tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to get wet, but in the end she committed to it and soon disappeared around the corner. She kept a running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was going to open up to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon there and continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another short constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She had to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on the other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water crawl below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a 2 meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we had some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns beating on the near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I decided it was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely drilled 4 cm into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The only way to rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on that and suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. This large chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the remainder of the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight slope towards us! Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come back and attack the lower passage, the slab would first need to be eliminated. We continued pounding on it - with some care to have an escape route - and eventually were able to lever it and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of that ended up doing for us was open up space over the top of the slab to crawl across and see what lay beyond. A
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had a discussion that if a survey team was going to come back and attack >> the lower passage, the slab would first need to be eliminated. We continued >> pounding on it - with some care to have an escape route - and eventually >> were able to lever it and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of >> that ended up doing for us was open up space over the top of the slab to >> crawl across and see what lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage >> took a sharp right turn and followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio >> ventured in and I noticed that I could see a reflection of her light on the >> pool in the lower passage. There were holes in the floor. In fact, she >> remarked that the floor was not stable and there was a danger of falling >> through. Several rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. >> About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see >> around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that >> Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level >> constriction. >> >> The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not >> very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We >> left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. >> >> Marvin Miller >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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pace over the top of the slab to > crawl across and see what lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage > took a sharp right turn and followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio > ventured in and I noticed that I could see a reflection of her light on the > pool in the lower passage. There were holes in the floor. In fact, she > remarked that the floor was not stable and there was a danger of falling > through. Several rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. > About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see > around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that > Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level > constriction. > > The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not > very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We > left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. > > Marvin Miller > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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scape route - and eventually were able to lever it > and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of that ended up doing for > us was open up space over the top of the slab to crawl across and see what > lay beyond. A quick look showed that the passage took a sharp right turn and > followed the trend of the lower passage. Mio ventured in and I noticed that I > could see a reflection of her light on the pool in the lower passage. There > were holes in the floor. In fact, she remarked that the floor was not stable > and there was a danger of falling through. Several rocks were dislodged and > fell into the lower passage. About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by > flowstone, but she could see around it into a larger space. It is almost > certainly the same passage that Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass > to the lower level constriction. > > The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not very > good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We left the > cave happy, muddy, and tired. > > Marvin Miller > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave
rocks were dislodged and fell into the lower passage. About 4 meters in, the passage was blocked by flowstone, but she could see around it into a larger space. It is almost certainly the same passage that Kelsey traversed. This is a possible bypass to the lower level constriction. The new discovery is at the lowest point of the cave and the air was not very good. We will wait until winter to organize further survey trips. We left the cave happy, muddy, and tired. Marvin Miller ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Fwd: Kenny McGee
-- Forwarded message - From: Date: Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Kenny McGee To: jociehoope...@gmail.com Josie, Will Rupley, "Kenny Mcgee was in a bad motorcycle accident, he in going to be in the hospital for awhile. He is in Albuquerque. I just talked to him and he is in good spirits for being cracked up." Please pass this on to Texas Cavers. See you at the NSS Convention, Mike -Original Message- From: Jocelyn Hooper To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jun 3, 2022 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Kenny McGee The NSS has Carol and Kenny listed with the same email: kennymcge...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:33 AM Sheryl Rieck wrote: Anyone heard anything about Kenny? How he is doing? Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need" Rolling Stones ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Kenny McGee
The NSS has Carol and Kenny listed with the same email: kennymcge...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:33 AM Sheryl Rieck wrote: > Anyone heard anything about Kenny? How he is doing? > > Sheryl Rieck > sheryl.ri...@gmail.com > > "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just > might find you get what you need" Rolling Stones > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Kenny McGee
Anyone heard anything about Kenny? How he is doing? Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need" Rolling Stones ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Fwd: Regarding Houston Caver Kenny McGee
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From: David mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Regarding Houston Caver Kenny McGee
Date: 1. June 2022 at 02:10:34 CEST
Could everybody please spread the word that Houston Caver Kenny McGee is in the
ICU at University of New Mexico in Albuquerque.
He had a bad motorcycle accident near Farmington and was life-flighted there (
I think yesterday. )
He has had surgery for numerous broken bones.
His wife Carol McGee just arrived.
Per David Locklear
Katherine Arens, ProfessorPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu<mailto:ar...@austin.utexas.edu> Dept. Phone: (512)
471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300 Bldg.Location: Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin Office: Burdine 320
Austin, TX 78712-1802
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[Texascavers] JAMES JASEK FB
Jim is not sending out new fb friend requests. Amy let me know something is up. Think his account hacked!! Will fix tonight after work! Mimi Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] 3 carbide lamps for sale
To: Texas Cavers >From the recently posted LM collection (Logan McNatt's carbide lamps), I have selected 3 lamps for individual sale to Texas Cavers. I cleaned, polished, and photographed them for you to see at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zv7q3zy1kvabma5/AACuioOUbAxkIx4u8uFq3fDha?dl=0 That's a link to my Dropbox, with 5 photos of the 3 lamps, Justrite, Autolite, and Guys Dropper brands. These are nice lamps, which I will sell over the next 3 days, and deliver them with no shipping fee to you at the TSA Convention at Cave Without A Name. Or you can arrange to have someone pick up the lamp from me. I will not be selling them at a booth, as I will have a lot to do. This is a pre-sale. Please contact me privately if you want to buy any of them. Here are the prices: Justrite $30 This belonged to famous caver Keith Heuss, and has his name engraved on the side. Plus it has a unique home-made "blade" made from soldered brass wire. Autolite $45 This brand is highly prized. Guys Dropper $38 The prices are 26% off of the average selling price for those brands on eBay! Contact me, pay, and get a lamp. You can pay my email via PayPal, Venmo, or give me cash at the TSA Convention. No checks. I will not bring them if none are sold. It is up to you to find me at the TSA Convention, but I'll try to make an announcement if any lamps are to be picked up. I'll be there with Logan Friday evening, Saturday, and Sunday morning. Thanks, *William R. (Bill) Elliott* 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 *speodes...@gmail.com * 573-291-5093 cell _______ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] JAMES JASEK UPDATE
My original mail did not go out. Try again. Sorry for the delay in news. I brought Jim home Saturday, April 23rd later in afternoon since I worked that day. He caught the flu in rehab and was isolated those last days before coming home, so came home weaker, on Tamiflu - me too for prevention by my doc - with a loss of good PT those last days ☹️ It has been constant since he made it home. The things they said he could do up there did not follow him home well, but I figured. He is on HHC but different from coming home after stroke. PT and ST now, and OT will start soon, but not as intense as after stroke. But he did not come back from anesthesia memory wise too well, yet they did not work on the dementia aspect all that time in rehab! They kept asking about a diagnosis, said they had access to his records but did nothing? When ST said she could not treat Jim for that - only his swallow and eating problem - since no diagnosis, I told her to call his PCP. In meantime I looked it up on our patient portal and boom! Third one down!! All that time in rehab wasted!! Kitchen staff on weekend ignored his dietary restrictions and gave him a muffin. Was no bread and supposed to always have eating assistance. If he had still been eating in his room, I would have lost him. Dining room had reopened, so when he scarfed down that muffin and started choking the other residents called for help. They got to him in time and did Heimlich maneuver to save his life. I had work PTO blackout till after 5/3, so had paid sitters so I could work, then took week off from 5/4-10 with no sitters. Back at work, sitters back, and when money runs out not sure what we will do - but I will NOT put him somewhere and let them kill him! May be able to work staggered scheduled out at job so go in several times a day for hours without leaving him alone too long for his safety. Down the road with new phone system may also be able to work some remote hours. Met with rep from division of HHC Golden Age Hospice - not end of life. Just more care as needed. Does not qualify yet, but they are looking for better but private less costly sitter alternative, hopefully to keep shower aide after HHC discharges him, and other help. As rep said, help for now and in future as needed for me to be able to work and Jim stay at home where he will be safe but do better in his own environment. (That blessed man actually changed my top kitchen light bulbs for me! I had not felt steady enough for two days to climb the ladder to do it! Just too tired! The kindness of strangers!) We have had a couple of forever caver acquaintances and friends come see us to visit and help me with some major handyman tasks, for which I will be forever grateful! When all this happened I was in the middle of some major stuff in house, which got put on hold while he was in rehab. I worked and took care of life have tos, and was with him period. Kind of exhausting! I work this coming weekend and next, so no TSA convention. Not sure he could handle heat or trip right now anyway, but we had been planning on coming before he broke his hip. We will survive one way or another. When days get really hard for me, I think of Katie and Jocie and their amazing care of Bill and Pete and others, and it helps. One thing though! While in rehab his phone was left plugged in too long, was older, and battery expanded and zapped phone. No good recent backup due to change of email and Apple ID, so lost all. I would love it if you used to be in his contact list if you would text him your info! His number has not changed! That way I can start to build a new contact list for him so if someone calls or texts we will know if friend or stranger. I depended on his list too! I know we are not the only aging Texas cavers with problems, but hope most of you are safe and well. Go outdoors and underground all you can, and live to the fullest. Stayed up to get this off while checking on eclipse, but WAY past bedtime! As Jim says these days, Adios! Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] "Earth’s Biggest Cave Will Blow Your Mind"
I'm skeptical that this was "just discovered in 2009." And the term "biggest" can mean a lot of things. But it is indeed a big cave. https://mossandfog.com/earths-biggest-cave-will-blow-your-mind/ Miles ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Speelunker Cave ride to open at Six Flags Over Texas :
I graduated from high School in 1977 and went to Arlington and stayed with my oldest sister and her late husband for that Summer, I worked nights at a place called Meritex Plastics on Randoll Mill Rd making A framed little hollow bars for integrated circuit chips it was 19.5 inches long and made from virgin poly vinyl chloride plastic which just so happens to have natural anti static properties and made after taxes $115.00 a week. But I got me a $29.95 Season to Six Flags over Texas, I bet I spent 4 out of 5 days there at the park. I knew it backwards and forwards, quickest route to anything I knew shortcuts even through employee only areas. I got away with it because I have always had the ability to fool people into thinking I known what I am doing. I could be at entry gate to the shock-wave Roller-coaster which opened that season in 4 minutes or so, I knew where best food for money was and to know some the regular worker's during the week it wasn't as crowded as weekends. Now you may ask why I am telling all of this? For one thing I can remember it in great detail and because I would go through the "Spelunker's Cave" there to cool down and it was highly air-conditioned. To ride 4 to 5 times back to back and that helped you tolerate that nasty old East Texas Humidity which I never did like. I didn't think it was like a real cave as I knew it for what it was, but at 17 back then I was probably smarter than kids today in knowing al little bit about a lot of stuff. My short term is going which is irritating as hell and do a whole lot of repeating or so they say. I would say something about cannabis or hemp but you all know and my views on that have drastically changed! LOL. Thanks for evoking a memory of fun times at age 17. Cavers are the best! Bill On 5/13/2022 8:38 PM, Carol W Russell wrote: This will set back caving, or at least caving as conceived of by the general public, about 1,000 years... On Fri, May 13, 2022, 4:16 AM Jerry wrote: Classic Six Flags Over Texas Ride Returns With Modern Updates Pirates of Speelunker Cave will be open to the general public this Saturday https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/six-flags-over-texas-debuts-new-pirate-cave-ride/2966167/ Jerry Atkinson. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list |http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives:http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- */This email comes from Bill Bentley/* */_bill.bentley@mygrande.net_/*___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Speelunker Cave ride to open at Six Flags Over Texas :
This will set back caving, or at least caving as conceived of by the general public, about 1,000 years... On Fri, May 13, 2022, 4:16 AM Jerry wrote: > Classic Six Flags Over Texas Ride Returns With Modern Updates > Pirates of Speelunker Cave will be open to the general public this Saturday > > https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/six-flags-over-texas-debuts-new-pirate-cave-ride/2966167/ > > Jerry Atkinson. > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Speelunker Cave ride to open at Six Flags Over Texas :
Not exactly the way I remember caving in Mexico... On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:16 AM Jerry wrote: > Classic Six Flags Over Texas Ride Returns With Modern Updates > Pirates of Speelunker Cave will be open to the general public this Saturday > > https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/six-flags-over-texas-debuts-new-pirate-cave-ride/2966167/ > > Jerry Atkinson. > _______ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Convention map salon
Texas Cavers, I need some help judging maps for the map salon at convention. Judging will take place on Saturday between 10:00 and 5:00. If you have experience making cave maps and are not submitting a map this year, please consider. It won't take a lot of time and it is educational. Judging maps will help make you a better mapper. Please reply to me if you can help. Marvin Miller (210) 415-5190 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention is 1 week away!
The TSA Spring Convention is just over a week away! We have about 60 people currently registered and we're hoping to see many more of you next weekend! We have an amazing lineup of workshops and presenters. Check them out and register at https://cavetexas.org/convention-2022 <https://cavetexas.org/convention-2022?fbclid=IwAR1OMfiZCI_HcnevDQ3X_seU207pi0Lu0r7ynlwAdRMNphcYELcvAA092xM> Prices will go up at the door! ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Bats tell predators to 'buzz off' — literally
Interesting: https://www.livescience.com/buzzing-bats-deter-predators Another article on the buzzing bats: These bats buzz like wasps and bees. The sound may deter hungry owls: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bats-buzz-sounds-mimick-wasps-bees-owls Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Register Now for TSA Spring Convention!
Online registration is now open for TSA Spring Convention (May 20 - 22) at Cave Without A Name! We have a great lineup of workshops and speakers and all of your favorite Texas cavers will be there :). We will be sending an estimate to our caterer this Friday, so if you've been on the fence about when to register, now is the time! https://cavetexas.org/convention-2022 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
