[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2015-07-24 Thread Mixon Bill via Texascavers
"I'm definitely interested! We've been looking for land in the area. This would 
be perfect for us!"

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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread Fritz Holt via Texascavers
Stefan may already have a retreat. 
fritz...@gmail.com

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Stefan,
> I'm sure you'd enjoy having a retreat out this way.
>  
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
> 700 Billie Brooks Drive
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
> (512) 799-1095
> a...@gluesenkamp.com
> 
> From: Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
> To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale
> 
> I would potentially be interested in contributing towards the purchase…
>  
> Do you know the timescales by when they’d like to have the property sold, 
> Travis?
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  
> stefan.crea...@arm.com
>  
> 
> 
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Travis Scott via Texascavers
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:27 AM
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale
>  
> Howdy Cavers,
>  
> I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has 
> come up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in 
> Hays County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a 
> fairly large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is 
> a somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over 
> the years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that 
> cavers can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to 
> anyone.  He has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the 
> property at this time.
>  
> If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property and 
> cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.  Thanks!!
>  
> Travis Scott
> tra...@oztotl.com
> 979.450.0103 (cell)
>  
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread "Squirrel" Jess via Texascavers
I'm definitely interested! We've been looking for land in the area. This
would be perfect for us!
On Jul 24, 2015 11:27 AM, "Travis Scott via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Howdy Cavers,
>
>
>
> I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has
> come up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in
> Hays County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a
> fairly large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink
> is a somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated
> over the years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner
> hopes that cavers can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it
> will be open to anyone.  He has verbally mentioned an asking price of
> $167,000 for the property at this time.
>
>
>
> If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property
> and cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
> *Travis Scott*
> tra...@oztotl.com
> 979.450.0103 (cell)
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread Amy Jasek via Texascavers
If I suddenly come into a large sum of money.

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Galen, the TCMA Acquisitions Committee is actively looking into the purchase. 
>  
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:56 AM, via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Too bad tcma does not want the cave. It has lots of potential! 
>> 
>> Galen Falgout
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread Crash Kennedy via Texascavers
Galen, the TCMA Acquisitions Committee is actively looking into the
purchase.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:56 AM, via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Too bad tcma does not want the cave. It has lots of potential!
>
> Galen Falgout 
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers
Stefan,I'm sure you'd enjoy having a retreat out this way. Andrew G. 
Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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  From: Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
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purchase…    Do you know the timescales by when they’d like to have the 
property sold, Travis?    Cheers, Stefan    stefan.crea...@arm.com    

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of 
Travis Scott via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:27 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale    Howdy Cavers,    I just wanted 
to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has come up for sale by 
owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in Hays County (amongst 
the small caver community there).  The property has a fairly large 4/2 mobile 
home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is a somewhat significant 
recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over the years to 
approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that cavers can 
acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to anyone.  He 
has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the property at this 
time.    If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the 
property and cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the 
owner.  Thanks!!    Travis Scott
tra...@oztotl.com
979.450.0103 (cell)    
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread via Texascavers
I was told that tcma voted not to purchase the property last time it was for 
sale a year or so ago. That's all I knew. 

Galen Falgout

On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> I would potentially be interested in contributing towards the purchase…
>  
> Do you know the timescales by when they’d like to have the property sold, 
> Travis?
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  
> stefan.crea...@arm.com
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Travis Scott via Texascavers
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:27 AM
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale
>  
> Howdy Cavers,
>  
> I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has 
> come up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in 
> Hays County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a 
> fairly large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is 
> a somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over 
> the years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that 
> cavers can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to 
> anyone.  He has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the 
> property at this time.
>  
> If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property and 
> cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.  Thanks!!
>  
> Travis Scott
> tra...@oztotl.com
> 979.450.0103 (cell)
>  
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread Stefan Creaser via Texascavers
I would potentially be interested in contributing towards the purchase...

Do you know the timescales by when they'd like to have the property sold, 
Travis?

Cheers,
Stefan

stefan.crea...@arm.com

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Travis Scott via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:27 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

Howdy Cavers,

I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has come 
up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in Hays 
County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a fairly 
large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is a 
somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over the 
years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that cavers 
can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to anyone.  
He has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the property at this 
time.

If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property and 
cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.  Thanks!!

Travis Scott
tra...@oztotl.com<mailto:tra...@oztotl.com>
979.450.0103 (cell)


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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread via Texascavers
Too bad tcma does not want the cave. It has lots of potential! 

Galen Falgout

On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Travis Scott via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Howdy Cavers,
>  
> I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has 
> come up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in 
> Hays County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a 
> fairly large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is 
> a somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over 
> the years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that 
> cavers can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to 
> anyone.  He has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the 
> property at this time.
>  
> If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property and 
> cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.  Thanks!!
>  
> Travis Scott
> tra...@oztotl.com
> 979.450.0103 (cell)
>  
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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

2015-07-24 Thread Travis Scott via Texascavers
Howdy Cavers,

 

I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has
come up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in
Hays County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a
fairly large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink
is a somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated
over the years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes
that cavers can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be
open to anyone.  He has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for
the property at this time.

 

If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property and
cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.
Thanks!!

 

Travis Scott
  tra...@oztotl.com
979.450.0103 (cell)

 

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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi sink

2015-06-26 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers
Bring frog buckets.  Earlier will be much cooler.  I'm up for 10am if there are 
any early birds. 700 Billie Brooks

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> On Jun 26, 2015, at 3:35 PM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
> Quick caving trip this Sunday, June 28th at Kiwi Sink. We plan to go to the 
> end of the cave to see what the last flood did. Start at noon, couple of 
> hours should do. It will be wet and muddy, meet at 444 Billie Brooks Ln, 
> Driftwood. 512-847-0183.
> 
> Cave ho,
> ErnieG
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[Texascavers] Kiwi sink

2015-06-26 Thread via Texascavers
Quick caving trip this Sunday, June 28th at Kiwi Sink. We plan to go to the end of the cave to see what the last flood did. Start at noon, couple of hours should do. It will be wet and muddy, meet at 444 Billie Brooks Ln, Driftwood. 512-847-0183.Cave ho,ErnieG
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink News

2013-11-27 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
A happy ending, to be sure.  

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On Nov 27, 2013, at 4:48 PM,  wrote:

> Fellow Diggers: I recieved a call from Andy G. from CA, and he had gotten a 
> call from Kiwi, the owner of  the property where Kiwi Sink is located. He had 
> driven over a spot some 15 feet from his house where the ground fell in a 
> sort of crevice. I went over there and sure enough, there was a depression, 
> and in places, one could see darkness beyond. I was really excited when Kiwi 
> started digging what looked like roots hiding a deeper area. It turned out 
> they were rebar from an old septic tank that had given way under Kiwi's 
> truck. He will fill it in with rocks and soil from the main Kiwi dig. I was 
> disappointed, but he was quite happy.
> 
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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink News

2013-11-27 Thread ernie
Fellow Diggers: I recieved a call from Andy G. from CA, and he had gotten a call from Kiwi, the owner of  the property where Kiwi Sink is located. He had driven over a spot some 15 feet from his house where the ground fell in a sort of crevice. I went over there and sure enough, there was a depression, and in places, one could see darkness beyond. I was really excited when Kiwi started digging what looked like roots hiding a deeper area. It turned out they were rebar from an old septic tank that had given way under Kiwi's truck. He will fill it in with rocks and soil from the main Kiwi dig. I was disappointed, but he was quite happy.-Ernie Garza

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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink again

2013-11-01 Thread David
Can anybody guess how many gallons of water entered Kiwi Sink and disappeared ?

Where do you suppose most of that water went ? Did it recharge the
aquifer or
did it come out in various springs ?

How many hours was the sump submerged with flowing water ?

Anybody got videos of the waterfall yet ?

I am tempted to drive from Houston tonight if there is still a waterfall.

Is the mining equipment and the ladder ok ?

Did anybody rappel down the 20 foot waterfall ?

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-10-31 Thread David
I am curious if Kiwi Sink has flowing water into it.

Was this rain event the first big rain since the 50+ drums of rock and dirt
were removed this. past spring and summer ?

Is the water flow path at the bottom of the pit any different ?

I hope to make it back to digging in January.

Was there any digging in September or October ?

Were there other caves or karst features that were affected by this rain
event ?

For example, Jacob's Well.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink Dig

2013-07-19 Thread Gill Edigar
Due to the recent rains I have canceled the Kiwi Sink Dig scheduled for
this Sunday the 21st July. There will be no digs in August. We'll see you
again in September.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink Dig

2013-07-19 Thread Gill Edigar
Due to the recent rains I have canceled the Kiwi Sink Dig scheduled for
this Sunday the 21st July. There will be no digs in August. We'll see you
again in September.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink Dig

2013-07-19 Thread Gill Edigar
Due to the recent rains I have canceled the Kiwi Sink Dig scheduled for
this Sunday the 21st July. There will be no digs in August. We'll see you
again in September.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-07-15 Thread ernie
Kiwi gets rain: during one of several strong passing showers, I took umbrella and looked into Kiwi Sink. There were three small streams pouring into the pit. I went home and got my camera and shot a video, but one of the streams had subsided. The main drain into the sink has not had enough rainfall at the head of the drainage, but if that happens, we will see a sizable waterfall into the pit. If so, will try to climb down the ladder to see where the water is going, shoot photos.E Garz

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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-07-15 Thread ernie
Kiwi gets rain: during one of several strong passing showers, I took umbrella and looked into Kiwi Sink. There were three small streams pouring into the pit. I went home and got my camera and shot a video, but one of the streams had subsided. The main drain into the sink has not had enough rainfall at the head of the drainage, but if that happens, we will see a sizable waterfall into the pit. If so, will try to climb down the ladder to see where the water is going, shoot photos.E Garz

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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-07-15 Thread ernie
Kiwi gets rain: during one of several strong passing showers, I took umbrella and looked into Kiwi Sink. There were three small streams pouring into the pit. I went home and got my camera and shot a video, but one of the streams had subsided. The main drain into the sink has not had enough rainfall at the head of the drainage, but if that happens, we will see a sizable waterfall into the pit. If so, will try to climb down the ladder to see where the water is going, shoot photos.E Garz

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[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink reminiscing

2013-07-08 Thread David
This unauthorized post is for cavers who have never seen Kiwi Sink, and to
possibly
encourage a new caver to come join the fun.Disclaimer:   I do not have
permission
to re-post the 2 links shown below.

This is old news, but I am sitting here 196 miles away from the sinkhole,
reminiscing about the previous digs. I think the last dig was the best
one
 in the past 3 months.However, I had more fun digging when the
weather was cool.   I have seen the floor of the entrance pit drop about 5
feet
overall in the past 3 months, and in places about 7 feet.

The video below was uploaded by Karstwalker 18 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJWZnocDaE

Where the 8 foot ladder is shown, there is now a 20 foot ladder sitting at
the top
of the floor, and it is all downslope from there.   ( Except there is a
large mound of flowstone in
the middle of the floor of the pit. )

Behind the ladder, is a passage that you can bellycrawl down into nearly 5
feet. Large
rocks around that lead will be removed on the next dig, so that digging
will become more
efficient on that lead.It would be my guess that digging will progress
in that lead when the
fall digs start back up, and that surveyable passage will be found in that
lead someday.   It seems to
be above the area on Dale's map ( see link below ) that reads, "breakdown
choke with
fresher air than most of cave."So maybe the diggers are just removing
the ceiling of that
digging lead from above ?

In the floor around the ladder, are several extra-large size rocks, but you
can see tiny
voids underneath them going down at least a foot or more. It would
seem like the next trip, those rocks will get hauled out.   If so, the
entrance drop will
be 20 feet deep.A wild guess would be there is at least
16 more feet of rock and dirt at that spot ( plus or minus 10 feet ),
meaning the pit could
someday be a 26 to 46 foot rappel ( on the high side ).

180 degrees opposite the ladder, is the open passage going steeply down
into the
lower part of the known cave.

I am looking forward to seeing a future waterfall video, if someone gets a
chance
to film one. How much rain do you need in order to get a video like
that ?
Is there any other way to determine which way the water really flows ?
Like putting a
garden hose down there ?

David Locklear

Ref:

https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=71f4577f0b&view=att&th=13ec73bf1607ee6c&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P_HZIuLtDLeBlc_tuBzgWzd&sadet=1373346917401&sads=fRXwGQ7YHp_NNGpZhsHsZsSgwrc


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink reminiscing

2013-07-08 Thread David
This unauthorized post is for cavers who have never seen Kiwi Sink, and to
possibly
encourage a new caver to come join the fun.Disclaimer:   I do not have
permission
to re-post the 2 links shown below.

This is old news, but I am sitting here 196 miles away from the sinkhole,
reminiscing about the previous digs. I think the last dig was the best
one
 in the past 3 months.However, I had more fun digging when the
weather was cool.   I have seen the floor of the entrance pit drop about 5
feet
overall in the past 3 months, and in places about 7 feet.

The video below was uploaded by Karstwalker 18 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJWZnocDaE

Where the 8 foot ladder is shown, there is now a 20 foot ladder sitting at
the top
of the floor, and it is all downslope from there.   ( Except there is a
large mound of flowstone in
the middle of the floor of the pit. )

Behind the ladder, is a passage that you can bellycrawl down into nearly 5
feet. Large
rocks around that lead will be removed on the next dig, so that digging
will become more
efficient on that lead.It would be my guess that digging will progress
in that lead when the
fall digs start back up, and that surveyable passage will be found in that
lead someday.   It seems to
be above the area on Dale's map ( see link below ) that reads, "breakdown
choke with
fresher air than most of cave."So maybe the diggers are just removing
the ceiling of that
digging lead from above ?

In the floor around the ladder, are several extra-large size rocks, but you
can see tiny
voids underneath them going down at least a foot or more. It would
seem like the next trip, those rocks will get hauled out.   If so, the
entrance drop will
be 20 feet deep.A wild guess would be there is at least
16 more feet of rock and dirt at that spot ( plus or minus 10 feet ),
meaning the pit could
someday be a 26 to 46 foot rappel ( on the high side ).

180 degrees opposite the ladder, is the open passage going steeply down
into the
lower part of the known cave.

I am looking forward to seeing a future waterfall video, if someone gets a
chance
to film one. How much rain do you need in order to get a video like
that ?
Is there any other way to determine which way the water really flows ?
Like putting a
garden hose down there ?

David Locklear

Ref:

https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=71f4577f0b&view=att&th=13ec73bf1607ee6c&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P_HZIuLtDLeBlc_tuBzgWzd&sadet=1373346917401&sads=fRXwGQ7YHp_NNGpZhsHsZsSgwrc


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink reminiscing

2013-07-08 Thread David
This unauthorized post is for cavers who have never seen Kiwi Sink, and to
possibly
encourage a new caver to come join the fun.Disclaimer:   I do not have
permission
to re-post the 2 links shown below.

This is old news, but I am sitting here 196 miles away from the sinkhole,
reminiscing about the previous digs. I think the last dig was the best
one
 in the past 3 months.However, I had more fun digging when the
weather was cool.   I have seen the floor of the entrance pit drop about 5
feet
overall in the past 3 months, and in places about 7 feet.

The video below was uploaded by Karstwalker 18 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJWZnocDaE

Where the 8 foot ladder is shown, there is now a 20 foot ladder sitting at
the top
of the floor, and it is all downslope from there.   ( Except there is a
large mound of flowstone in
the middle of the floor of the pit. )

Behind the ladder, is a passage that you can bellycrawl down into nearly 5
feet. Large
rocks around that lead will be removed on the next dig, so that digging
will become more
efficient on that lead.It would be my guess that digging will progress
in that lead when the
fall digs start back up, and that surveyable passage will be found in that
lead someday.   It seems to
be above the area on Dale's map ( see link below ) that reads, "breakdown
choke with
fresher air than most of cave."So maybe the diggers are just removing
the ceiling of that
digging lead from above ?

In the floor around the ladder, are several extra-large size rocks, but you
can see tiny
voids underneath them going down at least a foot or more. It would
seem like the next trip, those rocks will get hauled out.   If so, the
entrance drop will
be 20 feet deep.A wild guess would be there is at least
16 more feet of rock and dirt at that spot ( plus or minus 10 feet ),
meaning the pit could
someday be a 26 to 46 foot rappel ( on the high side ).

180 degrees opposite the ladder, is the open passage going steeply down
into the
lower part of the known cave.

I am looking forward to seeing a future waterfall video, if someone gets a
chance
to film one. How much rain do you need in order to get a video like
that ?
Is there any other way to determine which way the water really flows ?
Like putting a
garden hose down there ?

David Locklear

Ref:

https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=71f4577f0b&view=att&th=13ec73bf1607ee6c&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P_HZIuLtDLeBlc_tuBzgWzd&sadet=1373346917401&sads=fRXwGQ7YHp_NNGpZhsHsZsSgwrc


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig results

2013-07-07 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday 7 July 2013--A few of us got there early and
started digging before 9 a.m.  By 10 o'clock we had 5 barrels filled. We
hoisted them and 5 more along with 2 M rocks (piggybacked) after lunch, 10
lifts in all. The mud level of the floor was lowered the better part of 2
feet in places. Most of that material was produced as the purpose of
today's dig was primarily to expose and undermine large floor rocks and
preparing them for extraction. We continue to extend the lower
breakdown--upper wall contact by removing mud and rocks from the present
floor level below the flowstone buss. It's possible now to see about 9
meters (slant distance) into a couple of known rooms into which light now
readily penetrates--in the daytime, at least. Galen went exploring in the
lower rooms today and discovered a couple of digging leads he is excited
about. Considering that the past few digs we've only had 5 or 6 diggers on
 hand (due to understandable progressive conflicts) I was fairly
overwhelmed by having 11 able diggers show up and only 3 or 4 places to
dig. The problem was solved by sending several people off exploring and
others to take lunch. We finished up at 2 p.m. and some of us went to
Strickland's for a Sunday swim. The next dig is scheduled in 2 weeks,
Sunday 21 July--at **new time** 8 a.m. There will be no digs in August due
to heat and principals gone afar.--formatting goes to shit at this
point--
   Diggers were:
   Gill Ediger
   Galen Falgout
   Ernie Garza
   Andy Gluesenkamp
   Lydia Hernandez
   David Locklear
   Guin McDaid
   Kris Peña
   Will Quast
   Terry Raines
   Ellie Watson

Visitors included:
   Don Broussard
   James Brown
   The entire Gluesenkamp Clan
   Kiwi

Total work:
   10 barrels
   2 rocks M (piggybacked on muck barrels)


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig results

2013-07-07 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday 7 July 2013--A few of us got there early and
started digging before 9 a.m.  By 10 o'clock we had 5 barrels filled. We
hoisted them and 5 more along with 2 M rocks (piggybacked) after lunch, 10
lifts in all. The mud level of the floor was lowered the better part of 2
feet in places. Most of that material was produced as the purpose of
today's dig was primarily to expose and undermine large floor rocks and
preparing them for extraction. We continue to extend the lower
breakdown--upper wall contact by removing mud and rocks from the present
floor level below the flowstone buss. It's possible now to see about 9
meters (slant distance) into a couple of known rooms into which light now
readily penetrates--in the daytime, at least. Galen went exploring in the
lower rooms today and discovered a couple of digging leads he is excited
about. Considering that the past few digs we've only had 5 or 6 diggers on
 hand (due to understandable progressive conflicts) I was fairly
overwhelmed by having 11 able diggers show up and only 3 or 4 places to
dig. The problem was solved by sending several people off exploring and
others to take lunch. We finished up at 2 p.m. and some of us went to
Strickland's for a Sunday swim. The next dig is scheduled in 2 weeks,
Sunday 21 July--at **new time** 8 a.m. There will be no digs in August due
to heat and principals gone afar.--formatting goes to shit at this
point--
   Diggers were:
   Gill Ediger
   Galen Falgout
   Ernie Garza
   Andy Gluesenkamp
   Lydia Hernandez
   David Locklear
   Guin McDaid
   Kris Peña
   Will Quast
   Terry Raines
   Ellie Watson

Visitors included:
   Don Broussard
   James Brown
   The entire Gluesenkamp Clan
   Kiwi

Total work:
   10 barrels
   2 rocks M (piggybacked on muck barrels)


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig results

2013-07-07 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday 7 July 2013--A few of us got there early and
started digging before 9 a.m.  By 10 o'clock we had 5 barrels filled. We
hoisted them and 5 more along with 2 M rocks (piggybacked) after lunch, 10
lifts in all. The mud level of the floor was lowered the better part of 2
feet in places. Most of that material was produced as the purpose of
today's dig was primarily to expose and undermine large floor rocks and
preparing them for extraction. We continue to extend the lower
breakdown--upper wall contact by removing mud and rocks from the present
floor level below the flowstone buss. It's possible now to see about 9
meters (slant distance) into a couple of known rooms into which light now
readily penetrates--in the daytime, at least. Galen went exploring in the
lower rooms today and discovered a couple of digging leads he is excited
about. Considering that the past few digs we've only had 5 or 6 diggers on
 hand (due to understandable progressive conflicts) I was fairly
overwhelmed by having 11 able diggers show up and only 3 or 4 places to
dig. The problem was solved by sending several people off exploring and
others to take lunch. We finished up at 2 p.m. and some of us went to
Strickland's for a Sunday swim. The next dig is scheduled in 2 weeks,
Sunday 21 July--at **new time** 8 a.m. There will be no digs in August due
to heat and principals gone afar.--formatting goes to shit at this
point--
   Diggers were:
   Gill Ediger
   Galen Falgout
   Ernie Garza
   Andy Gluesenkamp
   Lydia Hernandez
   David Locklear
   Guin McDaid
   Kris Peña
   Will Quast
   Terry Raines
   Ellie Watson

Visitors included:
   Don Broussard
   James Brown
   The entire Gluesenkamp Clan
   Kiwi

Total work:
   10 barrels
   2 rocks M (piggybacked on muck barrels)


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-07-06 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig--I though I had posted a note about there being a dig this
Sunday (like tomorrow) the 7th July but can't seem to find it back. For any
info or directions try me at 410-303-1177. Voice works best. There will
also be another dig on the 21st July but, due to many moderately important
people being out of town for various national and international caving
events in August--and the absurd heat (or possible deluge) we will not be
doing any digging in August. Digging will resume on 8 September 2013.


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-07-06 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig--I though I had posted a note about there being a dig this
Sunday (like tomorrow) the 7th July but can't seem to find it back. For any
info or directions try me at 410-303-1177. Voice works best. There will
also be another dig on the 21st July but, due to many moderately important
people being out of town for various national and international caving
events in August--and the absurd heat (or possible deluge) we will not be
doing any digging in August. Digging will resume on 8 September 2013.


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-07-06 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig--I though I had posted a note about there being a dig this
Sunday (like tomorrow) the 7th July but can't seem to find it back. For any
info or directions try me at 410-303-1177. Voice works best. There will
also be another dig on the 21st July but, due to many moderately important
people being out of town for various national and international caving
events in August--and the absurd heat (or possible deluge) we will not be
doing any digging in August. Digging will resume on 8 September 2013.


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-06-28 Thread caverarch
A stealth visit by David?

 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday

Roger 



-Original Message-
From: Gill Edigar 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:29 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK



KIWI SINK Update--Friday 28 June 2013--On account of there being several BIG 
floor rocks (in particular) left uncovered and already strapped up for hoisting 
we converged on the sink this morning and removed them. 
   Doing the duties were:
 Gill Ediger 
 Ernie Garza 
 Guin McDaid
 Terry Raines 
  Total resources eliminated: (6 lifts) 
 1 rock XL
 3 rocks L
 4 rocks S&M
 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday 
Thanks to all for helping. It was hot!



Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-06-28 Thread caverarch
A stealth visit by David?

 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday

Roger 



-Original Message-
From: Gill Edigar 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:29 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK



KIWI SINK Update--Friday 28 June 2013--On account of there being several BIG 
floor rocks (in particular) left uncovered and already strapped up for hoisting 
we converged on the sink this morning and removed them. 
   Doing the duties were:
 Gill Ediger 
 Ernie Garza 
 Guin McDaid
 Terry Raines 
  Total resources eliminated: (6 lifts) 
 1 rock XL
 3 rocks L
 4 rocks S&M
 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday 
Thanks to all for helping. It was hot!



Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-06-28 Thread caverarch
A stealth visit by David?

 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday

Roger 



-Original Message-
From: Gill Edigar 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:29 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK



KIWI SINK Update--Friday 28 June 2013--On account of there being several BIG 
floor rocks (in particular) left uncovered and already strapped up for hoisting 
we converged on the sink this morning and removed them. 
   Doing the duties were:
 Gill Ediger 
 Ernie Garza 
 Guin McDaid
 Terry Raines 
  Total resources eliminated: (6 lifts) 
 1 rock XL
 3 rocks L
 4 rocks S&M
 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday 
Thanks to all for helping. It was hot!



[Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-06-28 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Update--Friday 28 June 2013--On account of there being several
BIG floor rocks (in particular) left uncovered and already strapped up for
hoisting we converged on the sink this morning and removed them.
   Doing the duties were:
 Gill Ediger
 Ernie Garza
 Guin McDaid
 Terry Raines
  Total resources eliminated: (6 lifts)
 1 rock XL
 3 rocks L
 4 rocks S&M
 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday
Thanks to all for helping. It was hot!


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-06-28 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Update--Friday 28 June 2013--On account of there being several
BIG floor rocks (in particular) left uncovered and already strapped up for
hoisting we converged on the sink this morning and removed them.
   Doing the duties were:
 Gill Ediger
 Ernie Garza
 Guin McDaid
 Terry Raines
  Total resources eliminated: (6 lifts)
 1 rock XL
 3 rocks L
 4 rocks S&M
 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday
Thanks to all for helping. It was hot!


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-06-28 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Update--Friday 28 June 2013--On account of there being several
BIG floor rocks (in particular) left uncovered and already strapped up for
hoisting we converged on the sink this morning and removed them.
   Doing the duties were:
 Gill Ediger
 Ernie Garza
 Guin McDaid
 Terry Raines
  Total resources eliminated: (6 lifts)
 1 rock XL
 3 rocks L
 4 rocks S&M
 2 Barrels that mysteriously got filled since Sunday
Thanks to all for helping. It was hot!


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig Report

2013-06-23 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday, 23 June 2013--Six whole people showed up
today. We managed to fill and empty 4 barrels before lunch and then another
4 afterward--plus whatever David Locklear managed to get filled after we
left sometime after 4. He's camped out in Terry Raines' cow
pasture--digging in Kiwi when not planning his next adventure. There were
also 2 M rocks hoisted in the morning. A 20x30-foot tarp was rigged over
the pit to rot in the UV-radiation of the sun. Lowering of the floor along
the east wall continued to the point that we could see several meters down
into a previously known room. Much of the floor mud had been removed when I
left but David was hacking away as a  man possessed, opening up voids with
nearly every bucket loaded.
 Diggers on hand included:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza
  David Locklear
  Guin McDaid
  Ron Rutherford
  Visitors comprised:
  Most of the Andy Gluesenkamp and Jubal Grubb families.
  Kiwi took a lamp and explored some way down into the pit.
  The totals were:
  8 totally loaded barrels
  2 medium sized rocks
  At least 4 large rocks are strapped up on the floor of the sink and 6 or
 8 smaller ones  remain to be strapped up and hoisted; some will go up as
multiples.

The next scheduled dig will be 7 July 2013.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig Report

2013-06-23 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday, 23 June 2013--Six whole people showed up
today. We managed to fill and empty 4 barrels before lunch and then another
4 afterward--plus whatever David Locklear managed to get filled after we
left sometime after 4. He's camped out in Terry Raines' cow
pasture--digging in Kiwi when not planning his next adventure. There were
also 2 M rocks hoisted in the morning. A 20x30-foot tarp was rigged over
the pit to rot in the UV-radiation of the sun. Lowering of the floor along
the east wall continued to the point that we could see several meters down
into a previously known room. Much of the floor mud had been removed when I
left but David was hacking away as a  man possessed, opening up voids with
nearly every bucket loaded.
 Diggers on hand included:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza
  David Locklear
  Guin McDaid
  Ron Rutherford
  Visitors comprised:
  Most of the Andy Gluesenkamp and Jubal Grubb families.
  Kiwi took a lamp and explored some way down into the pit.
  The totals were:
  8 totally loaded barrels
  2 medium sized rocks
  At least 4 large rocks are strapped up on the floor of the sink and 6 or
 8 smaller ones  remain to be strapped up and hoisted; some will go up as
multiples.

The next scheduled dig will be 7 July 2013.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig Report

2013-06-23 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday, 23 June 2013--Six whole people showed up
today. We managed to fill and empty 4 barrels before lunch and then another
4 afterward--plus whatever David Locklear managed to get filled after we
left sometime after 4. He's camped out in Terry Raines' cow
pasture--digging in Kiwi when not planning his next adventure. There were
also 2 M rocks hoisted in the morning. A 20x30-foot tarp was rigged over
the pit to rot in the UV-radiation of the sun. Lowering of the floor along
the east wall continued to the point that we could see several meters down
into a previously known room. Much of the floor mud had been removed when I
left but David was hacking away as a  man possessed, opening up voids with
nearly every bucket loaded.
 Diggers on hand included:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza
  David Locklear
  Guin McDaid
  Ron Rutherford
  Visitors comprised:
  Most of the Andy Gluesenkamp and Jubal Grubb families.
  Kiwi took a lamp and explored some way down into the pit.
  The totals were:
  8 totally loaded barrels
  2 medium sized rocks
  At least 4 large rocks are strapped up on the floor of the sink and 6 or
 8 smaller ones  remain to be strapped up and hoisted; some will go up as
multiples.

The next scheduled dig will be 7 July 2013.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report--Saturday

2013-06-22 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Report--I just reminded myself that there was action at KIWI SINK
today (22 June 2013). Due to David Locklear's recent digging enthusiasm
5-1/2 barrels of muck had to be hoisted out of Kiwi Sink before the digging
begins tomorrow (Sunday). Ernie Garza, Terry Raines, David Locklear, and I
convened at the pit and hauled out 6 full barrels, the 1/2 having been
rapidly topped off with a few handy rocks. In addition, 2 XL rocks were
wrenched from their cradles and winched to the surface. There was much
rejoicing. More than a half-dozen rocks remain to be dealt with, posthaste.
One of the rocks we removed gave ready access to the nether regions of the
cave, once accessible only by a narrow vertical squeeze. Andy Gluesenkamp
and Ruby came by to inspect the progress of the work. The next scheduled
dig is tomorrow. Come to dig or just to visit. Info: 410-303-1177


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report--Saturday

2013-06-22 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Report--I just reminded myself that there was action at KIWI SINK
today (22 June 2013). Due to David Locklear's recent digging enthusiasm
5-1/2 barrels of muck had to be hoisted out of Kiwi Sink before the digging
begins tomorrow (Sunday). Ernie Garza, Terry Raines, David Locklear, and I
convened at the pit and hauled out 6 full barrels, the 1/2 having been
rapidly topped off with a few handy rocks. In addition, 2 XL rocks were
wrenched from their cradles and winched to the surface. There was much
rejoicing. More than a half-dozen rocks remain to be dealt with, posthaste.
One of the rocks we removed gave ready access to the nether regions of the
cave, once accessible only by a narrow vertical squeeze. Andy Gluesenkamp
and Ruby came by to inspect the progress of the work. The next scheduled
dig is tomorrow. Come to dig or just to visit. Info: 410-303-1177


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report--Saturday

2013-06-22 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Report--I just reminded myself that there was action at KIWI SINK
today (22 June 2013). Due to David Locklear's recent digging enthusiasm
5-1/2 barrels of muck had to be hoisted out of Kiwi Sink before the digging
begins tomorrow (Sunday). Ernie Garza, Terry Raines, David Locklear, and I
convened at the pit and hauled out 6 full barrels, the 1/2 having been
rapidly topped off with a few handy rocks. In addition, 2 XL rocks were
wrenched from their cradles and winched to the surface. There was much
rejoicing. More than a half-dozen rocks remain to be dealt with, posthaste.
One of the rocks we removed gave ready access to the nether regions of the
cave, once accessible only by a narrow vertical squeeze. Andy Gluesenkamp
and Ruby came by to inspect the progress of the work. The next scheduled
dig is tomorrow. Come to dig or just to visit. Info: 410-303-1177


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-06-22 Thread David
I am about to set up camp near the cave at Terry's back gate on Billie
Brooks.

Then I am going swimming to celebrate my 49th birthday.

This evening, I will dig and fill up a barrel, if someone is willing to
watch.

I hope to dig hard tomorrow.

The Rolling Oaks crew removed the 6 barrels and more.   But I will let Gil
explain that..

Lots of fun digging remains.

My phone does not work in Rolling Oaks.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-06-22 Thread David
I am about to set up camp near the cave at Terry's back gate on Billie
Brooks.

Then I am going swimming to celebrate my 49th birthday.

This evening, I will dig and fill up a barrel, if someone is willing to
watch.

I hope to dig hard tomorrow.

The Rolling Oaks crew removed the 6 barrels and more.   But I will let Gil
explain that..

Lots of fun digging remains.

My phone does not work in Rolling Oaks.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-06-22 Thread David
I am about to set up camp near the cave at Terry's back gate on Billie
Brooks.

Then I am going swimming to celebrate my 49th birthday.

This evening, I will dig and fill up a barrel, if someone is willing to
watch.

I hope to dig hard tomorrow.

The Rolling Oaks crew removed the 6 barrels and more.   But I will let Gil
explain that..

Lots of fun digging remains.

My phone does not work in Rolling Oaks.

David Locklear


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-10 Thread David
I would just like to add some personal thoughts to Gill's post,

After taking a dinner break, there are now 3 barrels ready to haul out, and
2 medium size rocks ready to be tandemed-out.

My theory is the large rocks we are standing on now, are the orignal
ceiling of the room, which I think is what Gill is saying.But those
rocks are large and held together with a thick gritty clay, which takes
some patience at removing with a small pick-axe, before you can attempt to
pry the rock.  But once you can get a choker strap around part of the rock,
then the gin-pole truck can dislodge it and then you can adjust the strap
and haul it out.   So that is what Gill means by the floor excavation is
going faster.   I have found prying the big rocks loose to be exhausting,
but Gil, Don, John, and Ernie, seem to do it without breaking a sweat.
 My newly designed digging tool, did not work well in the clay, but I found
other uses for it, as it could smack hard rocks better than the lighter
tools.   I ended up digging most of the day with a cheap hand-held pick-axe
that I got at Harbor Freight Tools.

The floor of the principal digging area is now about 10 feet in diameter
and relatively flat, with a couple of spots that are at least a foot or 2
deeper than the bottom of the ladder, in the area where the leads are, but
one of the holes is at least 4 feet deeper.The floor of the cave is
deep enough now, that if you set your camera on the floor pointed towards
the sky, you should be able to get a nice photo with a wide-angle lense.
 If the ladder was not there, it would be an 18 foot rappel, at the moment,
but I think others believe it is going to be 28 feet when finished.

Ernie let me camp 2 nights.   I slept on my cot under his big oak tree,
with just a cotton sheet rigged over a string.   I got to relax there quiet
a bit, so that was awesome.

I did learn something new about caving on this trip, that is not in any
caving book - you truly have not caved with a person until that person has
released some spicy taco gas directly in your face.

David Locklear


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
> removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
> the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
> passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
> waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
> minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
> average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
> the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
> faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
> were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
> XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
> will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
> removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
> stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
> to do.
>  Diggers on site included:
>   Don Broussard
>   Gill Ediger
>   Ernie Garza
>   David Locklear
>   John Schneider
>  Visitors included:
>   Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
>   Jaime Brown
>


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-10 Thread David
I would just like to add some personal thoughts to Gill's post,

After taking a dinner break, there are now 3 barrels ready to haul out, and
2 medium size rocks ready to be tandemed-out.

My theory is the large rocks we are standing on now, are the orignal
ceiling of the room, which I think is what Gill is saying.But those
rocks are large and held together with a thick gritty clay, which takes
some patience at removing with a small pick-axe, before you can attempt to
pry the rock.  But once you can get a choker strap around part of the rock,
then the gin-pole truck can dislodge it and then you can adjust the strap
and haul it out.   So that is what Gill means by the floor excavation is
going faster.   I have found prying the big rocks loose to be exhausting,
but Gil, Don, John, and Ernie, seem to do it without breaking a sweat.
 My newly designed digging tool, did not work well in the clay, but I found
other uses for it, as it could smack hard rocks better than the lighter
tools.   I ended up digging most of the day with a cheap hand-held pick-axe
that I got at Harbor Freight Tools.

The floor of the principal digging area is now about 10 feet in diameter
and relatively flat, with a couple of spots that are at least a foot or 2
deeper than the bottom of the ladder, in the area where the leads are, but
one of the holes is at least 4 feet deeper.The floor of the cave is
deep enough now, that if you set your camera on the floor pointed towards
the sky, you should be able to get a nice photo with a wide-angle lense.
 If the ladder was not there, it would be an 18 foot rappel, at the moment,
but I think others believe it is going to be 28 feet when finished.

Ernie let me camp 2 nights.   I slept on my cot under his big oak tree,
with just a cotton sheet rigged over a string.   I got to relax there quiet
a bit, so that was awesome.

I did learn something new about caving on this trip, that is not in any
caving book - you truly have not caved with a person until that person has
released some spicy taco gas directly in your face.

David Locklear


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
> removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
> the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
> passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
> waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
> minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
> average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
> the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
> faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
> were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
> XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
> will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
> removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
> stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
> to do.
>  Diggers on site included:
>   Don Broussard
>   Gill Ediger
>   Ernie Garza
>   David Locklear
>   John Schneider
>  Visitors included:
>   Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
>   Jaime Brown
>


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-10 Thread David
I would just like to add some personal thoughts to Gill's post,

After taking a dinner break, there are now 3 barrels ready to haul out, and
2 medium size rocks ready to be tandemed-out.

My theory is the large rocks we are standing on now, are the orignal
ceiling of the room, which I think is what Gill is saying.But those
rocks are large and held together with a thick gritty clay, which takes
some patience at removing with a small pick-axe, before you can attempt to
pry the rock.  But once you can get a choker strap around part of the rock,
then the gin-pole truck can dislodge it and then you can adjust the strap
and haul it out.   So that is what Gill means by the floor excavation is
going faster.   I have found prying the big rocks loose to be exhausting,
but Gil, Don, John, and Ernie, seem to do it without breaking a sweat.
 My newly designed digging tool, did not work well in the clay, but I found
other uses for it, as it could smack hard rocks better than the lighter
tools.   I ended up digging most of the day with a cheap hand-held pick-axe
that I got at Harbor Freight Tools.

The floor of the principal digging area is now about 10 feet in diameter
and relatively flat, with a couple of spots that are at least a foot or 2
deeper than the bottom of the ladder, in the area where the leads are, but
one of the holes is at least 4 feet deeper.The floor of the cave is
deep enough now, that if you set your camera on the floor pointed towards
the sky, you should be able to get a nice photo with a wide-angle lense.
 If the ladder was not there, it would be an 18 foot rappel, at the moment,
but I think others believe it is going to be 28 feet when finished.

Ernie let me camp 2 nights.   I slept on my cot under his big oak tree,
with just a cotton sheet rigged over a string.   I got to relax there quiet
a bit, so that was awesome.

I did learn something new about caving on this trip, that is not in any
caving book - you truly have not caved with a person until that person has
released some spicy taco gas directly in your face.

David Locklear


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
> removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
> the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
> passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
> waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
> minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
> average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
> the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
> faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
> were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
> XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
> will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
> removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
> stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
> to do.
>  Diggers on site included:
>   Don Broussard
>   Gill Ediger
>   Ernie Garza
>   David Locklear
>   John Schneider
>  Visitors included:
>   Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
>   Jaime Brown
>


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-10 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
to do.
 Diggers on site included:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza
  David Locklear
  John Schneider
 Visitors included:
  Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
  Jaime Brown


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-10 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
to do.
 Diggers on site included:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza
  David Locklear
  John Schneider
 Visitors included:
  Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
  Jaime Brown


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-10 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig report--9 June 2013--The purpose of the dig continues to be
removing floor material in order to access the breakdown blocks nested in
the bottom of the sinkhole and hopefully getting access to horizontal cave
passage. Rains in the past few weeks washed some of the rocks beneath the
waterfall. There are still a few barrels of material left to remove. A
minor rain storm around 9 a.m. managed to raise the humidity a little above
average but the sky stayed cloudy most of the day. Large rocks buried in
the mud have become more numerous making excavation of the floor happen
faster. Only 5 diggers showed up and managed to fill 6 barrels, 2 of which
were left on the bottom of the pit. 5 rocks were hoisted, one being L, one
XL, and three Ms. A half-dozen or so more rocks are partially exposed and
will be ready to hoist with just a little more work. Nearly every rock
removed now exposes voids into the mostly clean breakdown below--exciting
stuff. The next dig will be on 23 June. There's still plenty of work left
to do.
 Diggers on site included:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza
  David Locklear
  John Schneider
 Visitors included:
  Leah, Jack, & Ruby Gluesenkamp
  Jaime Brown


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-05 Thread Mimi Jasek
Gill, turn your calendar back two months:)

Mimi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> KIWI SINK Dig will resume this coming Sunday morning 11 August 2013. There is 
> much to do. The day promises to be warm on the surface so if you've been 
> holding off on digging in the lower leads and now have half a mind to do so 
> that may be all you need. We'll hope for minimal winds on the surface so we 
> can rig the big tarp to provide shade within the pit. Bring a sandwich and 
> such for lunch. For more info, directions, encouragement call me at 
> 410-303-1177. 
> --Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-05 Thread Mimi Jasek
Gill, turn your calendar back two months:)

Mimi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> KIWI SINK Dig will resume this coming Sunday morning 11 August 2013. There is 
> much to do. The day promises to be warm on the surface so if you've been 
> holding off on digging in the lower leads and now have half a mind to do so 
> that may be all you need. We'll hope for minimal winds on the surface so we 
> can rig the big tarp to provide shade within the pit. Bring a sandwich and 
> such for lunch. For more info, directions, encouragement call me at 
> 410-303-1177. 
> --Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-05 Thread Mimi Jasek
Gill, turn your calendar back two months:)

Mimi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> KIWI SINK Dig will resume this coming Sunday morning 11 August 2013. There is 
> much to do. The day promises to be warm on the surface so if you've been 
> holding off on digging in the lower leads and now have half a mind to do so 
> that may be all you need. We'll hope for minimal winds on the surface so we 
> can rig the big tarp to provide shade within the pit. Bring a sandwich and 
> such for lunch. For more info, directions, encouragement call me at 
> 410-303-1177. 
> --Ediger

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[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-05 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig will resume this coming Sunday morning 11 August 2013. There
is much to do. The day promises to be warm on the surface so if you've been
holding off on digging in the lower leads and now have half a mind to do so
that may be all you need. We'll hope for minimal winds on the surface so we
can rig the big tarp to provide shade within the pit. Bring a sandwich and
such for lunch. For more info, directions, encouragement call me at
410-303-1177.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-05 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig will resume this coming Sunday morning 11 August 2013. There
is much to do. The day promises to be warm on the surface so if you've been
holding off on digging in the lower leads and now have half a mind to do so
that may be all you need. We'll hope for minimal winds on the surface so we
can rig the big tarp to provide shade within the pit. Bring a sandwich and
such for lunch. For more info, directions, encouragement call me at
410-303-1177.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-06-05 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig will resume this coming Sunday morning 11 August 2013. There
is much to do. The day promises to be warm on the surface so if you've been
holding off on digging in the lower leads and now have half a mind to do so
that may be all you need. We'll hope for minimal winds on the surface so we
can rig the big tarp to provide shade within the pit. Bring a sandwich and
such for lunch. For more info, directions, encouragement call me at
410-303-1177.
--Ediger


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread goody twoshoes
Dale Barnard surveyed the cave a year or so ago and produced a map which I 
can't find in my present computer files. It may be in another computer??? The 
floor level of the entrance pit has changed but little or nothing else. --Ediger

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:


 
 




Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and 
profile map of the progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? 
Some of us "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
Preston


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread goody twoshoes
Dale Barnard surveyed the cave a year or so ago and produced a map which I 
can't find in my present computer files. It may be in another computer??? The 
floor level of the entrance pit has changed but little or nothing else. --Ediger

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:


 
 




Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and 
profile map of the progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? 
Some of us "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
Preston


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread goody twoshoes
Dale Barnard surveyed the cave a year or so ago and produced a map which I 
can't find in my present computer files. It may be in another computer??? The 
floor level of the entrance pit has changed but little or nothing else. --Ediger

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:


 
 




Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and 
profile map of the progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? 
Some of us "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
Preston


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:

> E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
> made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
>  
> Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
> progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
> "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
>  
> By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
>  
> Preston
>  
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: Gill Edigar
> To: Cavers Texas
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
> 
> KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
> in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
> and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
> short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
> being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
> and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
> the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
> dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
> set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
> and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
> to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
> were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
> to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
> people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
> The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
> Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
> 
> Those who attended:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza 
> Amdy Gluesenkamp 
> David Locklear 
> John Schneider
> 
> Visitors were:
> Bob West 
> Cindy Chamberlin-West 
> Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> 
> --Ediger


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:

> E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
> made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
>  
> Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
> progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
> "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
>  
> By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
>  
> Preston
>  
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: Gill Edigar
> To: Cavers Texas
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
> 
> KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
> in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
> and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
> short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
> being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
> and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
> the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
> dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
> set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
> and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
> to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
> were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
> to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
> people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
> The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
> Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
> 
> Those who attended:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza 
> Amdy Gluesenkamp 
> David Locklear 
> John Schneider
> 
> Visitors were:
> Bob West 
> Cindy Chamberlin-West 
> Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> 
> --Ediger


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:

> E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
> made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
>  
> Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
> progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
> "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
>  
> By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
>  
> Preston
>  
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: Gill Edigar
> To: Cavers Texas
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
> 
> KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
> in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
> and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
> short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
> being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
> and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
> the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
> dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
> set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
> and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
> to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
> were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
> to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
> people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
> The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
> Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
> 
> Those who attended:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza 
> Amdy Gluesenkamp 
> David Locklear 
> John Schneider
> 
> Visitors were:
> Bob West 
> Cindy Chamberlin-West 
> Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> 
> --Ediger


Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread Preston Forsythe
E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.

Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the progress 
as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us "older" cave 
surveyors love our maps.

By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?

Preston

--
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gill Edigar 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig


  KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon and 
undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as the 
barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we set 
back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels and 
several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line to be 
hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and were 
becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space to dig 
floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the people left 
were ready to quit. So we did. 
  The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
  Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 

  Those who attended:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza 
  Amdy Gluesenkamp 
  David Locklear 
  John Schneider

  Visitors were:
  Bob West 
  Cindy Chamberlin-West 
  Thanks to everyone for helping out.



  --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread Preston Forsythe
E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.

Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the progress 
as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us "older" cave 
surveyors love our maps.

By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?

Preston

--
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gill Edigar 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig


  KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon and 
undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as the 
barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we set 
back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels and 
several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line to be 
hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and were 
becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space to dig 
floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the people left 
were ready to quit. So we did. 
  The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
  Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 

  Those who attended:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza 
  Amdy Gluesenkamp 
  David Locklear 
  John Schneider

  Visitors were:
  Bob West 
  Cindy Chamberlin-West 
  Thanks to everyone for helping out.



  --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-20 Thread Preston Forsythe
E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.

Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the progress 
as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us "older" cave 
surveyors love our maps.

By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?

Preston

--
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gill Edigar 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig


  KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon and 
undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as the 
barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we set 
back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels and 
several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line to be 
hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and were 
becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space to dig 
floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the people left 
were ready to quit. So we did. 
  The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
  Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 

  Those who attended:
  Don Broussard
  Gill Ediger
  Ernie Garza 
  Amdy Gluesenkamp 
  David Locklear 
  John Schneider

  Visitors were:
  Bob West 
  Cindy Chamberlin-West 
  Thanks to everyone for helping out.



  --Ediger

[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-19 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers
in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be
filled and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug.
Having a short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded
and there being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7
barrels by noon and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need
hoisting. As soon as the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them
out of the pit and to the dumping grounds. That job was finished by a
little after one o'clock and we set back to digging and loading barrels
again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels and several more rocks, some weighing
4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line to be hoisted. Some of were working
in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and were becoming weary. We set about to
hoisting some barrels to provide space to dig floor material away but by
the time that had been done most of the people left were ready to quit. So
we did.
The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the
cause.
Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large.

Those who attended:
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger
Ernie Garza
Amdy Gluesenkamp
David Locklear
John Schneider

Visitors were:
Bob West
Cindy Chamberlin-West
Thanks to everyone for helping out.

--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-19 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers
in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be
filled and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug.
Having a short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded
and there being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7
barrels by noon and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need
hoisting. As soon as the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them
out of the pit and to the dumping grounds. That job was finished by a
little after one o'clock and we set back to digging and loading barrels
again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels and several more rocks, some weighing
4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line to be hoisted. Some of were working
in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and were becoming weary. We set about to
hoisting some barrels to provide space to dig floor material away but by
the time that had been done most of the people left were ready to quit. So
we did.
The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the
cause.
Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large.

Those who attended:
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger
Ernie Garza
Amdy Gluesenkamp
David Locklear
John Schneider

Visitors were:
Bob West
Cindy Chamberlin-West
Thanks to everyone for helping out.

--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-19 Thread Gill Edigar
KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers
in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be
filled and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug.
Having a short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded
and there being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7
barrels by noon and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need
hoisting. As soon as the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them
out of the pit and to the dumping grounds. That job was finished by a
little after one o'clock and we set back to digging and loading barrels
again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels and several more rocks, some weighing
4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line to be hoisted. Some of were working
in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and were becoming weary. We set about to
hoisting some barrels to provide space to dig floor material away but by
the time that had been done most of the people left were ready to quit. So
we did.
The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the
cause.
Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large.

Those who attended:
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger
Ernie Garza
Amdy Gluesenkamp
David Locklear
John Schneider

Visitors were:
Bob West
Cindy Chamberlin-West
Thanks to everyone for helping out.

--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-14 Thread Gill Edigar
Kiwi Sink Dig is scheduled for this coming Sunday, 19 May 2013, at 444
Billie Brooks Lane, Driftwood TX. We have reached a point where only 6 or 8
people can work at a time in the floor removal portion of the Project. So
we rotate diggers through work and rest sessions (or they rotate
themselves). There are still a couple of formerly unctuous silt leads that
need digging in the quest for borehole cave passage. I bought some sand
bags to build retaining walls to put the mud in if you're interested in
that sort of sport. Questions? Call me 410-303-1177--no text messages. It
may be warm. Bring water and a sandwich.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-14 Thread Gill Edigar
Kiwi Sink Dig is scheduled for this coming Sunday, 19 May 2013, at 444
Billie Brooks Lane, Driftwood TX. We have reached a point where only 6 or 8
people can work at a time in the floor removal portion of the Project. So
we rotate diggers through work and rest sessions (or they rotate
themselves). There are still a couple of formerly unctuous silt leads that
need digging in the quest for borehole cave passage. I bought some sand
bags to build retaining walls to put the mud in if you're interested in
that sort of sport. Questions? Call me 410-303-1177--no text messages. It
may be warm. Bring water and a sandwich.
--Ediger


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-05-14 Thread Gill Edigar
Kiwi Sink Dig is scheduled for this coming Sunday, 19 May 2013, at 444
Billie Brooks Lane, Driftwood TX. We have reached a point where only 6 or 8
people can work at a time in the floor removal portion of the Project. So
we rotate diggers through work and rest sessions (or they rotate
themselves). There are still a couple of formerly unctuous silt leads that
need digging in the quest for borehole cave passage. I bought some sand
bags to build retaining walls to put the mud in if you're interested in
that sort of sport. Questions? Call me 410-303-1177--no text messages. It
may be warm. Bring water and a sandwich.
--Ediger


Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related - Tools

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Minton
A really good item we have used out East for digging out 
rocks embedded in clay is a roofing tool for removing shingles.  I 
got mine at Home 
Depot: 
. 
They're made of heavy metal that doesn't bend when you pry up really 
stuck rocks.


Mark

At 09:55 AM 5/7/2013, Preston Forsythe wrote:
I have a collection of rock geology style picks and coal miner's 
picks with long and short handles. These are easy to find at Luke's 
Flea market west of Greenville, KY each Tuesday. Greenville was the 
center of the Muhlenberg Co. coal mining industry which led the 
nation in coal production for several decades. Much of the coal was 
mined from coal seams less than 4 ft. high by using dynamite and 
picks. When a pick hit a methane pocket the miner's carbide light 
would frequently ignite the methane and suddenly the miner had a 
mini explosion resulting in a torch like flame right in his face.


Cavingly,

Preston
--
- Original Message -
From: David
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

 I wish I had had the rock pick shown in the link below:

http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg

Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this 
one has a pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.


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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related - Tools

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Minton
A really good item we have used out East for digging out 
rocks embedded in clay is a roofing tool for removing shingles.  I 
got mine at Home 
Depot: 
. 
They're made of heavy metal that doesn't bend when you pry up really 
stuck rocks.


Mark

At 09:55 AM 5/7/2013, Preston Forsythe wrote:
I have a collection of rock geology style picks and coal miner's 
picks with long and short handles. These are easy to find at Luke's 
Flea market west of Greenville, KY each Tuesday. Greenville was the 
center of the Muhlenberg Co. coal mining industry which led the 
nation in coal production for several decades. Much of the coal was 
mined from coal seams less than 4 ft. high by using dynamite and 
picks. When a pick hit a methane pocket the miner's carbide light 
would frequently ignite the methane and suddenly the miner had a 
mini explosion resulting in a torch like flame right in his face.


Cavingly,

Preston
--
- Original Message -
From: David
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

 I wish I had had the rock pick shown in the link below:

http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg

Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this 
one has a pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.


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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related - Tools

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Minton
A really good item we have used out East for digging out 
rocks embedded in clay is a roofing tool for removing shingles.  I 
got mine at Home 
Depot: 
. 
They're made of heavy metal that doesn't bend when you pry up really 
stuck rocks.


Mark

At 09:55 AM 5/7/2013, Preston Forsythe wrote:
I have a collection of rock geology style picks and coal miner's 
picks with long and short handles. These are easy to find at Luke's 
Flea market west of Greenville, KY each Tuesday. Greenville was the 
center of the Muhlenberg Co. coal mining industry which led the 
nation in coal production for several decades. Much of the coal was 
mined from coal seams less than 4 ft. high by using dynamite and 
picks. When a pick hit a methane pocket the miner's carbide light 
would frequently ignite the methane and suddenly the miner had a 
mini explosion resulting in a torch like flame right in his face.


Cavingly,

Preston
--
- Original Message -
From: David
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

 I wish I had had the rock pick shown in the link below:

http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg

Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this 
one has a pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.


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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-07 Thread Preston Forsythe
I have a collection of rock geology style picks and coal miner's picks with 
long and short handles. These are easy to find at Luke's Flea market west of 
Greenville, KY each Tuesday. Greenville was the center of the Muhlenberg Co. 
coal mining industry which led the nation in coal production for several 
decades. Much of the coal was mined from coal seams less than 4 ft. high by 
using dynamite and picks. When a pick hit a methane pocket the miner's carbide 
light would frequently ignite the methane and suddenly the miner had a mini 
explosion resulting in a torch like flame right in his face.

Cavingly,

Preston
--
  - Original Message - 
  From: David 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:47 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related


   I wish I had had the rock pick shown in the link below:


  http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


  Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.



Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-07 Thread Preston Forsythe
I have a collection of rock geology style picks and coal miner's picks with 
long and short handles. These are easy to find at Luke's Flea market west of 
Greenville, KY each Tuesday. Greenville was the center of the Muhlenberg Co. 
coal mining industry which led the nation in coal production for several 
decades. Much of the coal was mined from coal seams less than 4 ft. high by 
using dynamite and picks. When a pick hit a methane pocket the miner's carbide 
light would frequently ignite the methane and suddenly the miner had a mini 
explosion resulting in a torch like flame right in his face.

Cavingly,

Preston
--
  - Original Message - 
  From: David 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:47 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related


   I wish I had had the rock pick shown in the link below:


  http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


  Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.



Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-07 Thread Preston Forsythe
I have a collection of rock geology style picks and coal miner's picks with 
long and short handles. These are easy to find at Luke's Flea market west of 
Greenville, KY each Tuesday. Greenville was the center of the Muhlenberg Co. 
coal mining industry which led the nation in coal production for several 
decades. Much of the coal was mined from coal seams less than 4 ft. high by 
using dynamite and picks. When a pick hit a methane pocket the miner's carbide 
light would frequently ignite the methane and suddenly the miner had a mini 
explosion resulting in a torch like flame right in his face.

Cavingly,

Preston
--
  - Original Message - 
  From: David 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:47 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related


   I wish I had had the rock pick shown in the link below:


  http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


  Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.



Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-07 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David 
To: Cavers Texas  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-07 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David 
To: Cavers Texas  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-07 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David 
To: Cavers Texas  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-06 Thread David
I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the
fun I had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.

This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I
had had the rock pick shown in the link below:

http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg

Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has
a pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand,
held tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few
oyster shells, some tiny pieces of tree.Occasionally there would be a
rock big enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were
some that you couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to
lift.  The really big rocks were hoisted out in place using old
nylon-webbing lifting-straps.

One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later
dumped all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet
reached the real cave breakdown.

Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being
in this area.

On a side note,

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??

If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.

I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-06 Thread David
I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the
fun I had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.

This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I
had had the rock pick shown in the link below:

http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg

Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has
a pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand,
held tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few
oyster shells, some tiny pieces of tree.Occasionally there would be a
rock big enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were
some that you couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to
lift.  The really big rocks were hoisted out in place using old
nylon-webbing lifting-straps.

One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later
dumped all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet
reached the real cave breakdown.

Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being
in this area.

On a side note,

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??

If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.

I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-06 Thread David
I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the
fun I had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.

This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I
had had the rock pick shown in the link below:

http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg

Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has
a pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand,
held tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few
oyster shells, some tiny pieces of tree.Occasionally there would be a
rock big enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were
some that you couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to
lift.  The really big rocks were hoisted out in place using old
nylon-webbing lifting-straps.

One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later
dumped all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet
reached the real cave breakdown.

Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being
in this area.

On a side note,

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??

If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.

I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink addendum

2013-05-05 Thread David
This is just to add to whatever Gil plans to post.

Around 6 pm, I was the only one remaining.   The weather was perfect and
the digging was easy and plentiful.   I gave serious thought to driving
back to Arcola, but I felt I might not be able to come back and will most
likely miss the upcoming digs.

So I filled up 2 barrels completely and put about 1/8th in 3 other
barrels.   I also dislodged 4 large rocks so that webbing can be put around
them.   I also loosened enough rock and dirt to easily put it in plastic
buckets.

THE LADDER IS STILL IN THE SINKHOLE.

The 2 barrels need to be hauled out in order to put the ladder in a secure
foothold.   Be careful going down.

The problem I had, was nobody to pass the plastic bucket to.   So even
though there was a lot of easy digging, it was not efficient.

I need to thank Hotel Gluesencamp for rolling out the red carpet for me.

Watching Phoebe Savvas hula-hoop in the cave was a pleasant surprise.   I
need to take my daughter caving.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink addendum

2013-05-05 Thread David
This is just to add to whatever Gil plans to post.

Around 6 pm, I was the only one remaining.   The weather was perfect and
the digging was easy and plentiful.   I gave serious thought to driving
back to Arcola, but I felt I might not be able to come back and will most
likely miss the upcoming digs.

So I filled up 2 barrels completely and put about 1/8th in 3 other
barrels.   I also dislodged 4 large rocks so that webbing can be put around
them.   I also loosened enough rock and dirt to easily put it in plastic
buckets.

THE LADDER IS STILL IN THE SINKHOLE.

The 2 barrels need to be hauled out in order to put the ladder in a secure
foothold.   Be careful going down.

The problem I had, was nobody to pass the plastic bucket to.   So even
though there was a lot of easy digging, it was not efficient.

I need to thank Hotel Gluesencamp for rolling out the red carpet for me.

Watching Phoebe Savvas hula-hoop in the cave was a pleasant surprise.   I
need to take my daughter caving.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink addendum

2013-05-05 Thread David
This is just to add to whatever Gil plans to post.

Around 6 pm, I was the only one remaining.   The weather was perfect and
the digging was easy and plentiful.   I gave serious thought to driving
back to Arcola, but I felt I might not be able to come back and will most
likely miss the upcoming digs.

So I filled up 2 barrels completely and put about 1/8th in 3 other
barrels.   I also dislodged 4 large rocks so that webbing can be put around
them.   I also loosened enough rock and dirt to easily put it in plastic
buckets.

THE LADDER IS STILL IN THE SINKHOLE.

The 2 barrels need to be hauled out in order to put the ladder in a secure
foothold.   Be careful going down.

The problem I had, was nobody to pass the plastic bucket to.   So even
though there was a lot of easy digging, it was not efficient.

I need to thank Hotel Gluesencamp for rolling out the red carpet for me.

Watching Phoebe Savvas hula-hoop in the cave was a pleasant surprise.   I
need to take my daughter caving.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-05 Thread David
I am passing thru Flatonia west-bound on my way to the dig.  It is about
2:30 am.

If my road-trip goes well, I will be there in the morning with a big ladder.

Maybe the ladder will help diggers.   If it doesn't, then hopefully there
is some other cave project that can use it.

I bet the Honda Fit engineers never envisioned their tiny little car
hauling a big ladder across Texas.

David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-05 Thread David
I am passing thru Flatonia west-bound on my way to the dig.  It is about
2:30 am.

If my road-trip goes well, I will be there in the morning with a big ladder.

Maybe the ladder will help diggers.   If it doesn't, then hopefully there
is some other cave project that can use it.

I bet the Honda Fit engineers never envisioned their tiny little car
hauling a big ladder across Texas.

David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

2013-05-05 Thread David
I am passing thru Flatonia west-bound on my way to the dig.  It is about
2:30 am.

If my road-trip goes well, I will be there in the morning with a big ladder.

Maybe the ladder will help diggers.   If it doesn't, then hopefully there
is some other cave project that can use it.

I bet the Honda Fit engineers never envisioned their tiny little car
hauling a big ladder across Texas.

David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-05-03 Thread Gill Edigar
Have I posted this yet?

So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-05-03 Thread Gill Edigar
Have I posted this yet?

So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink

2013-05-03 Thread Gill Edigar
Have I posted this yet?

So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-04-30 Thread Gill Edigar
So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
 where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-04-30 Thread Gill Edigar
So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
 where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!


[Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

2013-04-30 Thread Gill Edigar
So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
 where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink resurgence investigated

2013-04-24 Thread David
http://cavingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/swedencavedive.jpg


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink resurgence investigated

2013-04-24 Thread David
http://cavingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/swedencavedive.jpg


[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink resurgence investigated

2013-04-24 Thread David
http://cavingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/swedencavedive.jpg


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