Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Simon Newton]

Yes.


> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you considered printing double sided?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Stefan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Simon Newton [mailto:csnew...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
> >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page
> >> text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).
> >>
> >> Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would
> save
> >> a lot of paper.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
>

Re: Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[tbsamsel]

My secretary would tell me to stuff it. You can't good help these days, can you?
 
TAug 28, 2009 10:28:56 AM, csnew...@gmail.com wrote:
I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a lot of paper.  Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,Simon

-- Forwarded message --From: Fofo To: texascavers Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete buttonHi!I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.OK, 162 words. Clear to go!  

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RE: [Texascavers] delete button

[Stefan Creaser]

Have you considered printing double sided?

 

I've left the history so you can check if this works...

 

Cheers,

Stefan

 

From: Simon Newton [mailto:csnew...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button

 

I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page
text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).

Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would
save a lot of paper.  

Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,

Simon

-- Forwarded message --
From: Fofo 
To: texascavers 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Hi!

I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I
know, it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set
it up to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on server,
delete messages from server, delete only the ones that you delete, have
messages delivered directly to specific folders, group messages by
thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter, and setting it up
is easy.

Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when
messages are downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there
are several big files to download, and for really bad connections you
can put a limit on the size of files to download). I always have the
preview panel on, and it literally often takes less than one second to
read a message (especially short replies), delete them and move on to
the next one.

OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
  


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Simon Newton]

I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text
minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).

Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a
lot of paper.

Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,

Simon

-- Forwarded message --
> From: Fofo 
> To: texascavers 
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
> Hi!
>
> I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's
> a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty
> much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from
> server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered
> directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty
> decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
>
> Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
> downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
> files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
> size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
> literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially
> short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
>
> OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[John Brooks]

I have been silently reading all of thisand I agree with Matt and DON. I 
enjoy the virtual campfire.

 I know we have much more advanced computers up here in Dallasbut even with 
the Stonehenge-esque machines used by crudmudgeons in the low density suburban 
sprawl engulfing the hill countryone can sort by NAME/TOPIC and DATE and 
DELETE without ever reading any of it.I know...I do it all the timebut 
censorship is not needed in my opinion. Sometimes the anarchy of this list is 
entertaining.

And I might addI find it hilarious when something annoys the Crudmudgeonous 
few amongst uswe should keep a running list!

Sort/Delete/Repeat!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:

Everyone,
 
ok I'm piping up as one who really doesn't care one way or the other on this. I 
have all Texas Cavers email go into a folder on my yahoo account, just for this 
reason. That said I agree that alot of the replies really seem more like 
attention grabbing than having any real value. Yes, we're a clever bunch, and 
we love to have fun. There should be a nice balance inbetween the ME TO ME TOO 
posts and the word count. I think we're all adults hereok atleast in 
age.so instead of jumping on Bill or Andy just realize that your action do 
annoy others on here sometime. I mean give them credit because they did wait 
until the count go over 20+ emails over 3 days to post about this. I think a 
word count isn't the answer, but just because you have something clever to say 
doesn't mean it's fun for everyone. I'd say leave that type of stuff for 
facebook. As any one on my friends list will tell you I enjoy quips more than 
most. 
 
So again I'm not saying shut up, just saying respect others on this list, 
otherwise what will happen is this list will become useless and people will 
stop checking it or posting trips on it. That is my skin in this game if you're 
wondering why i decided to post.
 
Matt Turner

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale

 
From: Charles Goldsmith 
To: Cavetex 
Cc: Brian Riordan 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button

Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.

I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.  If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.

We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com

100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.

My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)

Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Charles Goldsmith]

Oh, no worries, I knew you were, but I don't think Bill was...

Some people just need to relax :)

Charles

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> Charles,
>
> I hope it was understood that I was being facetious...
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Charles Goldsmith 
> wrote:
>> Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
>> their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
>> than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
>> deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
>> meat of the message and the real reply.
>>
>> I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.   If Bill wants
>> to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
>> Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
>> with 1 word.
>>
>> We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
>> http://texascavers.com
>>
>> 100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
>> respected members.
>>
>> My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
>> that's just me :)
>>
>> Charles
>> list administrator that has been way too busy lately
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan 
>> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
>>> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
>>> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
>>> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
>>> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
>>> be the perfect answer.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
>>> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
>>> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
>>> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>>>
>>> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
>>> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
>>> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
>>> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
>>> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
>>> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
>>> chamomile was out of the question..."
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
 Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
 Thanks for the words Bill.


 Mixon Bill wrote:
>
> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
> to
> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by 
> their
> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> tell my computer to fetch it.
>
> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
> the
> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
> hundred
> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Jon]

I like what you say Don!!
I'm voting for you for the next TSA president!

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Arburn  wrote:

I just enjoy hearing from fellow Cavers. I reiterate my opinion that 
Texascavers is like a virtual campfire, I listen to what I want, ignore the 
rest, be polite, make friends, voice my goofy opinions, drink my swill & pee 
out in the dark bushes.


Don's iPhone.

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Fofo  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a 
> throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty 
> much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from 
> server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered 
> directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty 
> decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
> 
> Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are 
> downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big 
> files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the 
> size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it 
> literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially 
> short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
> 
> OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
> 
>     - Fofo
> 
>>> Mixon Bill wrote:
 I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
 while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
 each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
 to
 those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
 cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
 tell my computer to fetch it.
 
 If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
 interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
 the
 original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
 seventeen words.)-- Mixon
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Matt Turner]

Everyone,

ok I'm piping up as one who really doesn't care one way or the other on this. I 
have all Texas Cavers email go into a folder on my yahoo account, just for this 
reason. That said I agree that alot of the replies really seem more like 
attention grabbing than having any real value. Yes, we're a clever bunch, and 
we love to have fun. There should be a nice balance inbetween the ME TO ME TOO 
posts and the word count. I think we're all adults hereok atleast in 
age.so instead of jumping on Bill or Andy just realize that your action do 
annoy others on here sometime. I mean give them credit because they did wait 
until the count go over 20+ emails over 3 days to post about this. I think a 
word count isn't the answer, but just because you have something clever to say 
doesn't mean it's fun for everyone. I'd say leave that type of stuff for 
facebook. As any one on my friends list will tell you I enjoy quips more than 
most. 

So again I'm not saying shut up, just saying respect others on this list, 
otherwise what will happen is this list will become useless and people will 
stop checking it or posting trips on it. That is my skin in this game if you're 
wondering why i decided to post.
Matt Turner 

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale

 


From: Charles Goldsmith 
To: Cavetex 
Cc: Brian Riordan 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button

Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.

I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.  If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.

We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com

100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.

My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)

Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Don Arburn]

I just enjoy hearing from fellow Cavers. I reiterate my opinion that  
Texascavers is like a virtual campfire, I listen to what I want,  
ignore the rest, be polite, make friends, voice my goofy opinions,  
drink my swill & pee out in the dark bushes.



Don's iPhone.

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Fofo  wrote:


Hi!

I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I  
know, it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can  
set it up to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on  
server, delete messages from server, delete only the ones that you  
delete, have messages delivered directly to specific folders, group  
messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter,  
and setting it up is easy.


Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages  
are downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are  
several big files to download, and for really bad connections you  
can put a limit on the size of files to download). I always have the  
preview panel on, and it literally often takes less than one second  
to read a message (especially short replies), delete them and move  
on to the next one.


OK, 162 words. Clear to go!

- Fofo


Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless  
takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten  
words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a  
real pain to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are  
pestered by their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only  
when I

tell my computer to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new  
and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying  
only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is  
one hundred

seventeen words.)-- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Fofo]

Hi!

I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, 
it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up 
to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete 
messages from server, delete only the ones that you delete, have 
messages delivered directly to specific folders, group messages by 
thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter, and setting it up 
is easy.


Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are 
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several 
big files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a 
limit on the size of files to download). I always have the preview panel 
on, and it literally often takes less than one second to read a message 
(especially short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.


OK, 162 words. Clear to go!

 - Fofo


Mixon Bill wrote:

I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
tell my computer to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
seventeen words.)-- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Brian Riordan]

Charles,

I hope it was understood that I was being facetious...

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
> their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
> than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
> deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
> meat of the message and the real reply.
>
> I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.   If Bill wants
> to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
> Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
> with 1 word.
>
> We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
> http://texascavers.com
>
> 100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
> respected members.
>
> My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
> that's just me :)
>
> Charles
> list administrator that has been way too busy lately
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
>> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
>> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
>> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
>> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
>> be the perfect answer.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
>> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
>> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
>> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>>
>> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
>> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
>> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
>> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
>> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
>> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
>> chamomile was out of the question..."
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mixon Bill wrote:

 I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
 while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
 each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
 to
 those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
 cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
 tell my computer to fetch it.

 If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
 interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
 the
 original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
 seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Charles Goldsmith]

Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.

I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.   If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.

We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com

100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.

My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)

Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon

Re: [Texascavers] Delete button and other email etiquette

[Charles Goldsmith]

Andy, I disagree on your second point.  If you change the subject, it
messes up the threading (unless you are changing the subject, in which
case, you shouldn't be replying, you should start a new message).

The first is handled differently by different email messages.  Some
people have their email boxes set to handle To:'s  differently than
something that comes in on a list.  If its a reply to me, and the list
is copied, I want that email brought to my attention.

If your email app gives it to you twice, its just not smart enough to
realize its the same message and should be smacked around :)

Charles

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Andy Zenker wrote:
> Thank you for bringing this up, Bill.  I've been wanting to say this for a
> while.  I would also like to add that when you hit reply all, please remove
> the other recipients other than the texascavers email.  'Cause those people
> get everything twice which is really annoying.
>
> I know in Outlook it's easy to preview a message in the reading pane.  But I
> use Yahoo, and I actually have to open every single message and then hit
> delete.  It is very time consuming when it's 40 messages of nonsense.
>
> Another point ... change the subject line to reflect what your message is
> about.  That would make it easier to use the delete button without having to
> read them.
>
> Okay, I'm done.  :)
>
> Andy Zenker
> Texas Caver
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Stephen Fleming]

Bill Bentley wrote:
As one being guilty of a reply with less than entire paragraph, I sit 
here and wonder how long a reply I could have made in asking the 
question of "Which one?" to Mr Goldsmith's repy to Mr. 
Creaser..But then would I have been guilty of rambling on and on? 
I guess in the future I will just stick to sending out grotto meeting 
notices and online publication notices & I will curb my short and long 
replies...


OK.

--
Stephen Fleming
__

Poor New Mexico! So far from Heaven; so close to Texas.

Manuel Armijo
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Bill Bentley]

As one being guilty of a reply with less than entire paragraph, I sit here 
and wonder how long a reply I could have made in asking the question of 
"Which one?" to Mr Goldsmith's repy to Mr. Creaser..But then would I 
have been guilty of rambling on and on? I guess in the future I will just 
stick to sending out grotto meeting notices and online publication notices & 
I will curb my short and long replies...


Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Riordan" 

To: "Cavers Texas" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button


All,

I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
(10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
be the perfect answer.

...

To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
of love on her passage to adulthood:

"...At first, Laurie couldn�t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
chamomile was out of the question..."

Warm Regards,
-Brian



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:

Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.


Mixon Bill wrote:


I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by 
their

cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
tell my computer to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
hundred

seventeen words.)-- Mixon

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.

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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Brian Riordan]

All,

I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
(10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
be the perfect answer.

...

To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
of love on her passage to adulthood:

"...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
chamomile was out of the question..."

Warm Regards,
-Brian



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
> Thanks for the words Bill.
>
>
> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>
>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>
>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>> 
>> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
>> 
>> You may "reply" to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Ed Alexander]

Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.


Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a 
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words 
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real 
pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are 
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my 
e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.


If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and 
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Heather Tucek]

I couldn't help myself. I could just see Bill rolling his eyes at me. I'm
sure I'll hear no end of it at the next Grotto meeting... :p

2009/8/26 Charles Goldsmith 

> ROFL, too funny Heather.
>
> I started to reply to all, but I best not stir the pot just yet...
>
> Charles
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Heather Tucek
> wrote:
> > Ok.
> >
> >
> > ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/26 Mixon Bill 
> >>
> >> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> >> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> >> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real
> pain to
> >> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by
> their
> >> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> >> tell my computer to fetch it.
> >>
> >> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> >> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to
> the
> >> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one
> hundred
> >> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
> >> 
> >> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> >> 
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[Texascavers] Delete button and other email etiquette

[Andy Zenker]

Thank you for bringing this up, Bill.  I've been wanting to say this for a 
while.  I would also like to add that when you hit reply all, please remove the 
other recipients other than the texascavers email.  'Cause those people get 
everything twice which is really annoying.

I know in Outlook it's easy to preview a message in the reading pane.  But I 
use Yahoo, and I actually have to open every single message and then hit 
delete.  It is very time consuming when it's 40 messages of nonsense.

Another point ... change the subject line to reflect what your message is 
about.  That would make it easier to use the delete button without having to 
read them.

Okay, I'm done.  :)

Andy Zenker
Texas Caver




--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Mixon Bill  wrote:

From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] delete button
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:41 PM

I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a while 
to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words each. And 
those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to those who 
monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their cell phones 
every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I tell my computer 
to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and 
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the 
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred 
seventeen words.)-- Mixon

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.

You may "reply" to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[tbsamsel]

Mixon don't Tweet.Aug 26, 2009 09:41:36 PM, bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred seventeen words.)-- MixonTo enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Don Cooper]

Well
Look at it this way, ok?
Mr. Mixon is not asking to bring on an edict, he's just asking us all to be
considerate of the elements he pointed out.
I don't think that's unreasonable.
Ok this is a short reply, but I think it says enough, besides I'm not
sending it to everyone on list either.

-DC

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> Well Bill, not everyone writes a dissertation when sending an email,
> and email really isn't a good medium for long exchanges, since there
> is very little to no inflection.
>
> While replying with just a LOL or Me Too is annoying to some people I
> guess, most of those people don't say much anyway.
>
> It's not like we have a stats page that shows postings versus words
> per email.  And no, I don't plan to set one up either, I'm too lazy
> for that :p
>
> I wouldn't worry about it too much Bill, just keep using that delete
> button like most people.
>
> Charles
> list administrator that is crawling back into his hole in the
> wonderful DFW metroplex
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Mixon Bill
> wrote:
> > I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> > while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> > each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain
> to
> > those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by
> their
> > cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> > tell my computer to fetch it.
> >
> > If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> > interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to
> the
> > original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one
> hundred
> > seventeen words.)-- Mixon
> > 
> > To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> > 
> > You may "reply" to the address this message
> > came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Charles Goldsmith]

Well Bill, not everyone writes a dissertation when sending an email,
and email really isn't a good medium for long exchanges, since there
is very little to no inflection.

While replying with just a LOL or Me Too is annoying to some people I
guess, most of those people don't say much anyway.

It's not like we have a stats page that shows postings versus words
per email.  And no, I don't plan to set one up either, I'm too lazy
for that :p

I wouldn't worry about it too much Bill, just keep using that delete
button like most people.

Charles
list administrator that is crawling back into his hole in the
wonderful DFW metroplex


On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> tell my computer to fetch it.
>
> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
> 
> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Charles Goldsmith]

ROFL, too funny Heather.

I started to reply to all, but I best not stir the pot just yet...

Charles

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Heather Tucek wrote:
> Ok.
>
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> 2009/8/26 Mixon Bill 
>>
>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>
>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>> 
>> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
>> 
>> You may "reply" to the address this message
>> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Heather Tucek]

Ok.


;)



2009/8/26 Mixon Bill 

> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> tell my computer to fetch it.
>
> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
> 
> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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[Texascavers] delete button

[Mixon Bill]

I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes  
a while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten  
words each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a  
real pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are  
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see  
my e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.


If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and  
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only  
to the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is  
one hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon


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