Re: [Therion] Trouble generating kml

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Tarquin, why the heck didn’t I thought about it !
Problem solved 

Thanks,
Phil


> On 28 Aug 2024, at 12:14, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe,
> 
>> This is the first time I encounter that issue. No warning whatsoever, the 
>> marker is at the right place with the name of the cave, but the legs of the 
>> survey are not in the kml file. This is a simple survey without th2 
>> drawings, only legs and LRUD values.
> 
> Are you using "export map" or "export model"? One of those exports the 
> centreline, the other exports the walls.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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[Therion] Trouble generating kml

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

This is the first time I encounter that issue. No warning whatsoever, the 
marker is at the right place with the name of the cave, but the legs of the 
survey are not in the kml file. This is a simple survey without th2 drawings, 
only legs and LRUD values.
If I generate the map, profile or .lox of the cave it works fine. 

Has anyone came across that, any idea on what I’m doing wrong ?

Thanks,
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[Therion] Troubles with altitude

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

I added new data and scraps to a working therion project that was ok with the 
option "color map-fg altitude” and now I have several errors like the one below:

>> d-589.46178
! Not implemented: mexp(unknown numeric).
 
   )
s_altitudebar->...:=floor(dv*(10**(floor(dlog-1)))
  );if(dv>0)or(floor(EXPR1)-...
l.11317 ...,(0.00750,0.75000,0.0,0.0))("")
  ;
I'm afraid I don't know how to apply that operation to that
particular type. Continue, and I'll simply return the
argument (shown above) as the result of the operation.


If I use "color map-fg scrap” it works fine, any idea of what could be wrong, 
I’ve been looking for hours and can’t find where is the problem ?

Thanks,
Phil


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Re: [Therion] Turning LIDAR point clouds into cave maps

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

You can also view a 3D cave from a photogrammetric survey with caveview on 
Karst3D. Here is the link to the cave:
https://data.oreme.org/karst3d/karst3d_map#selected_layer=karst3d_station&selected_station=61

If you visualize the 3D lox file, this is a therion survey and if you visualize 
the 3D file (PLY), this is downgraded photogrammetric survey.

You can easily project on a map the 3D point cloud and draw a map on it but in 
this case you have to work with a GIS software. The best would definitely be to 
have a code computing virtual survey stations to input it in therion, it could 
also be based on the trajectory of the camera used for the 3D photogrammetric 
model   

Cheers,
Phil



> On Nov 29, 2023, at 19:45, Martin Budaj  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 4:47 PM Bill Gee  wrote:
> 
>> Looking at the sample files, it looks like he extracts some images from
>> the point cloud.  One of them is an overhead view and others are cross
>> sections and profiles.  He then uses these JPG images as the drawing
>> background to produce a traditional cave map.  The LiDAR scan
>> essentially replaces the in-cave sketching.  I suspect there is some
>> custom software to extract the images from the point cloud.
> 
> Indeed, the scans (combined with videogrammetry as in iPhone or iPad)
> preserve a lot of details and can be used to draw 2D maps. However,
> they can't completely replace the sketches or notes, as there is much
> information that can't be captured in the scans (air droughts, lake
> bottom etc.)
> 
>> I remember some years ago hearing about some mapping projects where the
>> survey stations were marked with small balls in a specific color.  The
>> processing software recognized that color and provided a way to connect
>> those points to known x,y,z locations - a centerline.  It was
>> fantastically expensive in both money and computer resources.
>> 
>> In a way, we do sort of the same thing with Therion.  The centerline
>> data is processed to produce a set of x,y,z coordinates.  The survey
>> stations are flagged in that data set.  Then when the sketch is drawn
>> out, we insert points of type "survey station" which are also flagged.
>> The sketch can be considered as a sort of two dimensional point cloud.
>> Therion knows how to match up the survey station points in the sketch
>> with the survey stations in the x,y,z coordinate set.  From there it can
>> morph everything around.
> 
> This is exactly the plan how to implement it in Therion, when time permits:
> 
> 1) you scan a fragment of a cave (a 3D scrap) with some survey
> stations visually marked
> 2) you assign station names as used in Therion centreline to local 3D
> coordinates in the 3D scrap
> 3) Therion warps the 3D scrap and aligns it with the centreline
> 4) ideally, Therion smoothly joins adjacent 3D scraps
> 
> The result would be a 3D model which could combine the walls captured
> from scans with those generated from the 2D scraps and LRUD data. This
> way you could progressively improve the 3D model as your LiDAR
> scanning progresses.
> 
> There is a preliminary issue for this here:
> https://github.com/therion/therion/issues/475
> 
> Martin
> 
> P.S. Here is a 50-metres dig scanned by an Apple LiDAR in around 30
> minutes: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Cvs8mej2RCqpGoj9A
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Re: [Therion] Statistics on surveys of a network

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Martin, you’ve been the fastest !

Bruce, this the script, lots of room for improvement.

Cheers,
Phil




> On 10 May 2023, at 13:29, Martin Sluka via Therion  wrote:
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/env python3
> # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
> 
> # grab data to generate summary for surveys of a cave network
> 
> import sqlite3
> import pandas as pd
> import numpy as np
> 
> conn = sqlite3.connect(':memory:')
> conn.executescript(open('cave.sql').read())
> stats = open('survey_stats.dat','w')
> 
> # sql to panda
> surv = pd.read_sql_query('select ID, NAME from SURVEY', conn)
> surv = surv[surv.NAME  != ''] # drop empty survey names
> ctli = pd.read_sql_query('select ID, SURVEY_ID, TOPO_DATE, LENGTH from 
> CENTRELINE', conn)
> ctli = ctli.dropna() # drop empty date centerlines
> topo = pd.read_sql_query('select PERSON_ID, CENTRELINE_ID from TOPO', conn)
> team = pd.read_sql_query('select ID, NAME, SURNAME from PERSON', conn)
> team = team.drop_duplicates()
> team = team.to_numpy()
> 
> #iterate over surveys
> for index, s in surv.iterrows():
>print(s.NAME)
>stats.write('%s\n'%(s.NAME))
> 
>for index, c in ctli.iterrows():
>   if (c.SURVEY_ID == s.ID) :
>   print('  date   ',c.TOPO_DATE)
>   stats.write('  date   %s\n'%(c.TOPO_DATE))
>   print('  length ',c.LENGTH)
>   stats.write('  length %s\n'%(c.LENGTH))
>   for index, t in topo.iterrows():
>   if (t.CENTRELINE_ID == c.ID) :
>   name = team[team[:,0] == t.PERSON_ID]
>   print (' {} 
> {}'.format(name[0,1],name[0,2]))
>   stats.write(' {} 
> {}\n'.format(name[0,1],name[0,2]))
> 
> stats.close()
> 
> Odesláno z iPhonu
> 
>> 10. 5. 2023 v 12:05, Bruce Mutton :
>> 
>> MS Outlook blocks attachments with extension .py
>> Perhaps you can repost after changing the extension to .txt?
>> Thanks
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Therion  On Behalf Of Philippe Vernant
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:54
>> To: List for Therion users 
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Statistics on surveys of a network
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Thanks for the answers. I wrote a python script. It is far from being
>> elegant but it does the job. I attach it to this message in case it can be
>> helpful to some of you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Therion] Statistics on surveys of a network

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

Thanks for the answers. I wrote a python script. It is far from being elegant 
but it does the job. I attach it to this message in case it can be helpful to 
some of you.

Cheers,
Phil

 #!/usr/bin/env python3
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

# grab data to generate summary for surveys of a cave network

import sqlite3
import pandas as pd
import numpy as np

conn = sqlite3.connect(':memory:')
conn.executescript(open('cave.sql').read())
stats = open('survey_stats.dat','w')

# sql to panda
surv = pd.read_sql_query('select ID, NAME from SURVEY', conn)
surv = surv[surv.NAME  != ''] # drop empty survey names
ctli = pd.read_sql_query('select ID, SURVEY_ID, TOPO_DATE, LENGTH from CENTRELINE', conn)
ctli = ctli.dropna() # drop empty date centerlines
topo = pd.read_sql_query('select PERSON_ID, CENTRELINE_ID from TOPO', conn)
team = pd.read_sql_query('select ID, NAME, SURNAME from PERSON', conn)
team = team.drop_duplicates()
team = team.to_numpy()

#iterate over surveys
for index, s in surv.iterrows():
print(s.NAME)
stats.write('%s\n'%(s.NAME))

for index, c in ctli.iterrows():
	if (c.SURVEY_ID == s.ID) :
		print('  date   ',c.TOPO_DATE)
		stats.write('  date   %s\n'%(c.TOPO_DATE))
		print('  length ',c.LENGTH)
		stats.write('  length %s\n'%(c.LENGTH))
		for index, t in topo.iterrows():
			if (t.CENTRELINE_ID == c.ID) :
name = team[team[:,0] == t.PERSON_ID]
print (' {} {}'.format(name[0,1],name[0,2]))
stats.write(' {} {}\n'.format(name[0,1],name[0,2]))

stats.close()



> On 3 May 2023, at 23:44, Andrew Atkinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/05/2023 21:40, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote:
>> However, I don't know what it will output if you ask it to export a
>> database. Probably nothing useful.
> 
> As fr as I remember it was very useful, I wrote a web page that queried it, 
> this was over 10 years ago, the page is still there but it appears that I 
> have removed the database at some point
> 
> https://wotcc.org.uk/Cheddar/
> 
> 
> 
> The therion book p66 gives the structure. For things like who did what, I 
> think each leg has the data of who was on the team doing what. With the right 
> sql query you should be able to find out most things recorded.
> 
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[Therion] Statistics on surveys of a network

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

I’ve been reading the fucking manual, but no way to find it. Is there a way to 
export the statistics of a network with the following information:
-date of each surveys, 
-names of the team members for each survey
-length surveyed for each survey

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] kml color

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Efi, that’s just perfect !

Phil





> On 21 Nov 2022, at 08:44, Elfi Hristova  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe,
>  
> I am using custom layout for kml with different color
> 
> layout kml
>   colour-model rgb
>   colour map-fg [90 0 0 ]
> endlayout
>  
> this outputs the image attached in Google maps. This is my command:
>  
> export map -projection plan  -output Katzite-plan.kml -layout kml
>  
> Unfortunately, I am not able to set the ‘altitude‘ coloring for kml file ☹ . 
> If someone has succeeded in this please share.
>  
> -Efi
>  
> From: Therion  on behalf of Philippe Vernant 
> 
> Date: Sunday, 20 November 2022, 12:09
> To: List for Therion users 
> Subject: [Therion] kml color
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I can’t find a way to change the light greyish color of the kml export except 
> by going into the kml file and change it after it has been created. Is there 
> a way to specify the color when creating the kml ?
> 
> Thanks,
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[Therion] kml color

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

I can’t find a way to change the light greyish color of the kml export except 
by going into the kml file and change it after it has been created. Is there a 
way to specify the color when creating the kml ?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] shapefiles and encodings...

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Xavier, 

Have you try to change the encoding specs in QGIS ? 
I have had the same issue with IGN files, and changing the specs in QGIS did 
the trick.

Cheers,
Phil


> On 19 Oct 2022, at 11:34, Xavier Robert 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have an other question about shapefiles produced by Therion.
> 
> In my language (french), we are using accentuated characters. For that,  In 
> Therion :
> all my files begin with ‘encoding utf-8’. 
> encoding-default and encoding-sql in therion.ini are set up tp UTF-8 (in 
> /usr/local/etc and $HOME) (but therion --print-init-file still gives ASCII as 
> encodings…) 
> I am exporting shapefiles with the line : export map -proj plan -fmt esri -o 
> MyOutput -layout my_layout -enc UTF-8
> 
> When I load the point2d.shp in QGis, QGis tells me that the encoding of the 
> shapefile is utf-8.
> But, when I edit the attribut table, in the _TEXT field, I still have strange 
> signs in place of the accentuated characters. For instance, I do not read « 
> Vers S. Chatière », but 'Vers S. Chatière’.
> 
> Does someone have an idea to correct this behavior and get the right encoding 
> ? 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Xavier
> 
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Re: [Therion] Custom map connections

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Tarquin,

Can’t you just define some map in grey and some in colors depending on the 
scrap and the connection ?

Cheers,
Phil


> On 7 Jul 2022, at 19:03, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have a challenge, presented to me by some users of one of our surveys.
> 
> We have a cave with layers horribly stacked above each other (10
> passages all crossing the same point!). Simple solution; use map offsets
> to put them all side by side. Use map connection arrows to show what
> connects to what.
> 
> That's all good, but they find the default connection arrow hard to see.
> I can redefine l_mapconnection to create my own arrows. Great!
> 
> But here's the challenge; they want us to show the difference between an
> unimportant connection, and a major "follow this route" connection. Eg.
> minor ones in grey, major route in red.
> 
> I have tried everything I can think of with the mapconnection point: id,
> scale, rotation, -attr etc., but Therion is not creating a
> p_mapconnection. it creates a l_mapconnection, and passes it a path to
> create the line. The attributes are all completely ignored.
> 
> Normally, I would use "-attr type major", but that cannot work here,
> because Therion just ignores it. In my opinion, this is a limitation
> that should be fixed.
> 
> The only solution I can think of, is to put *two* mapconnection points.
> The l_mapconnection code can then see if the current path matches the
> previous path, and if so, draw it in red. But this is such a horrible
> hack, and prone to failure in future if someone does not realise why
> there are two points, and why they have to follow on from each other.
> 
> Can anyone think of a better workaround?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: [Therion] Point altitude/deph, Help !

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Tarquin, I will definitely have a look at your demo code.

Phil


> On 28 Jun 2022, at 11:32, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 28/06/2022 10:04, Philippe Vernant wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I’m digging this topic since I’m running in a similar issue. Would that
>> be possible to have for the points with the option “altitude" something
>> like :
>> 640 [-30], where 640 would be the altitude and -30 the depth ?
> 
> You could use two different types of label, positioned at the same
> place, with one -align left and one -align right.
> 
> These are the existing labels:
> 
> altitude, date, height, label, passage-height, remark, stationname
> 
> altitude:
> 
> General altitude label. All altitudes are exported as a difference
> against grid Z origin (which is 0 by default). To display altitude on
> the passage wall, use altitude option for any line point of the passage
> wall.
> 
> So you set the grid origin to whatever height you want as the reference,
> and you get the depth shown by the labels.
> 
> height:
> 
> Height of formations inside of the passage (like pit etc.)
> 
> label:
> 
> generic label
> 
> passage-height:
> 
> Height of the passage (floor to ceiling)
> 
> remark:
> 
> general comment
> 
> Of those, you could maybe consider abusing height for your purpose. Put
> the altitude  as the height above sea level, and the "height" as the
> depth below the entrance.
> 
> Alternatively, you could consider creating a custom p_u_depth that does
> whatever kind of label you wanted. I have demo code for how to create
> labels in your own metapost:
> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/metapost#adding_custom_styled_labels_at_any_point_linepoint
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Re: [Therion] Point altitude/deph, Help !

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

I’m digging this topic since I’m running in a similar issue. Would that be 
possible to have for the points with the option “altitude" something like :
640 [-30], where 640 would be the altitude and -30 the depth ?

Thanks,
Phil

> On 14 Mar 2019, at 17:38, Xavier Robert via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I have found a trick. The other Xavier led me to the right tracks, 
> thanks a lot !
> 
> Finally, this is quite simple with the point altitude, and no need to change 
> anything inside the  :
> - If we use the point altitude only with the option -align, we get the 
> altitude
> - If we use the point altitude with the options -align and -value [-1004 m]  
> where 1004 is the altitude of the main entrance, we print the depth only for 
> that point (Do not forget the "-" before the altitude of the main entrance), 
> and thus, we do not erase the classic point altitude.
> 
> The only (small) limits are :
> If the main entrance changes, we need to manually update ALL the points that 
> print the depth. But that should not be be everyday, and not a big issue to 
> do that.
> the symbology of the two points is the same. I will have a look for a way to 
> modify that and let you know if I find a trick (If I copy the code of the 
> point Altitude, and call it p_u_depth(expr pos, R, S, A), it crashes...).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Xav
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Re: [Therion] Symbol size based on map layout

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

Since I’ve seen no answer, does that means that there is no way to define the 
size of the symbols (for e.g. the blocks) based on the scale used to draw the 
map ?

Thanks,
Phil


> On 18 Mar 2022, at 14:23, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Can’t find my answer in the thbook so here I am. Is there a way in the layout 
> to rescale the size of symbols (e.g. blocks) depending on the scale of the 
> pdf map exported?
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil

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[Therion] Symbol size based on map layout

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

Can’t find my answer in the thbook so here I am. Is there a way in the layout 
to rescale the size of symbols (e.g. blocks) depending on the scale of the pdf 
map exported?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] Ukraine

[Philippe Vernant]

Well said Bruce ! I’m really ashamed by the European and specially French 
politics. And as Bruce I wonder how I could help.
Phil

> On 25 Feb 2022, at 08:15, Bruce Mutton  wrote:
> 
> I am sure there are people on this list that are more than a little affected 
> by the invasion of Ukraine.
> While lucky enough to be far away, I am shocked and am thinking of you, my 
> friends, and how I might help in some small way.
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Re: [Therion] Loch - display divided in quarter

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Enrico,

I have the same issue, but haven’t had the time to look more into it.

Best,
Phil

> On 14 Feb 2022, at 08:39, Enrico Fratnik  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
>   I report a problem with loch model visualization.
> On my i7 laptop with osx 12.2.1 (but it was happening also before) I don't 
> understand why the model display is only on a quarter of the screen (see 
> attached image).
> If I move the window on the external monitor, the display returns to full 
> screen.
> If I do not have an external display attached I am not able to restore the 
> screen and loch becomes unusable.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> enrico
> 
> portable display
> 
> 
> external display
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Re: [Therion] macOS installation

[Philippe Vernant]

Just in case this might be useful for someone, there was an issue with the proj 
installed by homebrew not pointing to proj.db, this can be corrected by adding :
export PROJ_LIB=/opt/homebrew/Cellar/proj/8.2.1/share/proj
in your .XXXsrc 
In might just be my environment.

Phil



> On 7 Feb 2022, at 15:25, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Sorry I didn’t read til the end it was written !
> Now works like a charm, but I have this message :
> 
> therion: error -- PROJ library: 1025 (Invalid PROJ string syntax): 
> +proj=pipeline +step +inv +init=epsg:4326 +step +init=epsg:4326 
> 
> I have to dig in my proj installation I must have something weird somewhere.
>  
> Phil
> 
>> On 7 Feb 2022, at 14:17, Ladislav Blažek > <mailto:ladis...@lblazek.cz>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Phil, 
>> 
>> check my reply to Andrea. Homebrew Tcl/Tk package doesn’t contain BWidget - 
>> try to make symlink (update the BWidget version according to your system):
>> 
>> ln -s /System/Library/Tcl/bwidget1.9.1 
>> /opt/homebrew/opt/tcl-tk/lib/bwidget1.9.1
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> Ladislav Blažek
>> 
>> 
>>> 7. 2. 2022 v 14:12, Philippe Vernant >> <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ladislav,
>>> 
>>> I gave it a try, since I had a former release of therion installed on my 
>>> mac (the old way with make). 
>>> I’m having this message when running xtherion : 
>>> 
>>> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
>>> while executing
>>> "package require BWidget"
>>> (file "/opt/homebrew/bin/xtherion" line 12786)
>>> 
>>> I will dig in to it, might be related to my setup, but in case you have an 
>>> idea.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Feb 2022, at 20:36, Ladislav Blažek >>> <mailto:ladis...@lblazek.cz>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, macOS users,
>>>> 
>>>> I just updated my homebrew formulae and installation instructions to build 
>>>> & install Therion using CMAKE - see 
>>>> https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion 
>>>> <https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion>
>>>> 
>>>> Installation was successfully tested on Apple Silicon machine running 
>>>> macOS 12.1 Monterey. Hopefully it still work on older versions but I am 
>>>> not able to test it - feedback is welcome.
>>>> 
>>>> \Ladislav
>>>> 
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Re: [Therion] macOS installation

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> On 7 Feb 2022, at 15:47, Martin Sluka via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Welcome in our tribe.
You mean for the homebrew install or the proj issue ?

> Have you seen correct application icon of wish? A quill?
Nope, where should I find it ? I think I’ve never seen the icon even with my 
old installs

Phil


> 
> Martin S.
> 
>> 7. 2. 2022 v 15:25, Philippe Vernant > <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Sorry I didn’t read til the end it was written !
>> Now works like a charm, but I have this message :
>> 
>> therion: error -- PROJ library: 1025 (Invalid PROJ string syntax): 
>> +proj=pipeline +step +inv +init=epsg:4326 +step +init=epsg:4326 
>> 
>> I have to dig in my proj installation I must have something weird somewhere.
>>  
>> Phil
>> 
>>> On 7 Feb 2022, at 14:17, Ladislav Blažek >> <mailto:ladis...@lblazek.cz>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Phil, 
>>> 
>>> check my reply to Andrea. Homebrew Tcl/Tk package doesn’t contain BWidget - 
>>> try to make symlink (update the BWidget version according to your system):
>>> 
>>> ln -s /System/Library/Tcl/bwidget1.9.1 
>>> /opt/homebrew/opt/tcl-tk/lib/bwidget1.9.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Ladislav Blažek
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 7. 2. 2022 v 14:12, Philippe Vernant >>> <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ladislav,
>>>> 
>>>> I gave it a try, since I had a former release of therion installed on my 
>>>> mac (the old way with make). 
>>>> I’m having this message when running xtherion : 
>>>> 
>>>> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
>>>> while executing
>>>> "package require BWidget"
>>>> (file "/opt/homebrew/bin/xtherion" line 12786)
>>>> 
>>>> I will dig in to it, might be related to my setup, but in case you have an 
>>>> idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Feb 2022, at 20:36, Ladislav Blažek >>>> <mailto:ladis...@lblazek.cz>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, macOS users,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just updated my homebrew formulae and installation instructions to 
>>>>> build & install Therion using CMAKE - see 
>>>>> https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion 
>>>>> <https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Installation was successfully tested on Apple Silicon machine running 
>>>>> macOS 12.1 Monterey. Hopefully it still work on older versions but I am 
>>>>> not able to test it - feedback is welcome.
>>>>> 
>>>>> \Ladislav
>>>>> 
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Re: [Therion] macOS installation

[Philippe Vernant]

Sorry I didn’t read til the end it was written !
Now works like a charm, but I have this message :

therion: error -- PROJ library: 1025 (Invalid PROJ string syntax): 
+proj=pipeline +step +inv +init=epsg:4326 +step +init=epsg:4326 

I have to dig in my proj installation I must have something weird somewhere.
 
Phil

> On 7 Feb 2022, at 14:17, Ladislav Blažek  wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil, 
> 
> check my reply to Andrea. Homebrew Tcl/Tk package doesn’t contain BWidget - 
> try to make symlink (update the BWidget version according to your system):
> 
> ln -s /System/Library/Tcl/bwidget1.9.1 
> /opt/homebrew/opt/tcl-tk/lib/bwidget1.9.1
> 
> 
> ---
> Ladislav Blažek
> 
> 
>> 7. 2. 2022 v 14:12, Philippe Vernant > <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi Ladislav,
>> 
>> I gave it a try, since I had a former release of therion installed on my mac 
>> (the old way with make). 
>> I’m having this message when running xtherion : 
>> 
>> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
>> while executing
>> "package require BWidget"
>> (file "/opt/homebrew/bin/xtherion" line 12786)
>> 
>> I will dig in to it, might be related to my setup, but in case you have an 
>> idea.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
>>> On 6 Feb 2022, at 20:36, Ladislav Blažek >> <mailto:ladis...@lblazek.cz>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, macOS users,
>>> 
>>> I just updated my homebrew formulae and installation instructions to build 
>>> & install Therion using CMAKE - see 
>>> https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion 
>>> <https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion>
>>> 
>>> Installation was successfully tested on Apple Silicon machine running macOS 
>>> 12.1 Monterey. Hopefully it still work on older versions but I am not able 
>>> to test it - feedback is welcome.
>>> 
>>> \Ladislav
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] macOS installation

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Ladislav,

I gave it a try, since I had a former release of therion installed on my mac 
(the old way with make). 
I’m having this message when running xtherion : 

Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
while executing
"package require BWidget"
(file "/opt/homebrew/bin/xtherion" line 12786)

I will dig in to it, might be related to my setup, but in case you have an idea.

Thanks,
Phil

> On 6 Feb 2022, at 20:36, Ladislav Blažek  wrote:
> 
> Hi, macOS users,
> 
> I just updated my homebrew formulae and installation instructions to build & 
> install Therion using CMAKE - see 
> https://github.com/ladislavb/homebrew-therion 
> 
> 
> Installation was successfully tested on Apple Silicon machine running macOS 
> 12.1 Monterey. Hopefully it still work on older versions but I am not able to 
> test it - feedback is welcome.
> 
> \Ladislav
> 
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Re: [Therion] Install on Mac OS 11.4

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Andrea,

Do you have a new Mac with the M1 chip ? If so you might want to install 
Rosetta first.

Best,
Phil


> On 4 Aug 2021, at 22:20, Andrea Corna via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys, 
> I’m trying ti install on Mac OS 11.4 but I’m failing.
> Following this https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/os-tips:osx 
>  it fail
> Compiling fron GitHub also fail:
> 
> ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
> clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see 
> invocation)
> make[1]: *** [loch] Error 1
> make: *** [loch/loch] Error 2
> 
> Anyone is able to install?
> 
> Thanks for help
> 
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Re: [Therion] Problem when compiling on MacOS

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Martin,

It worked ok for xtherion with the latest commit in the master branch. I just 
have to deal with a vtkHybrid library that doesn’t seems to exist for VTK8 or 
VTK9 releases and I will also have loch.

Thanks a lot for your help !
Phil


> On 18 Jun 2021, at 18:33, Martin Budaj  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> try to compile the latest commit in the master branch, which contains
> the updated Catch2 library – not sure if the issue has been fixed,
> though.
> You can also use cmake to link to the system Catch2 library (details
> on cmake compilation are in the thbook).
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:51 PM Philippe Vernant
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Has anyone been successful compiling xtherion on a Mac with the M1 chip and 
>> Big Sur ? I can compile and run therion but I have the following error 
>> message and fail to compile xtherion :
>> 
>> extern/catch2/catch.hpp:8205:13: error: unrecognized instruction mnemonic, 
>> did you mean: bit, cnt, hint, ins, not?
>>CATCH_BREAK_INTO_DEBUGGER();
>>^
>> extern/catch2/catch.hpp:7916:83: note: expanded from macro 
>> 'CATCH_BREAK_INTO_DEBUGGER'
>>#define CATCH_BREAK_INTO_DEBUGGER() []{ if( Catch::isDebuggerActive() 
>> ) { CATCH_TRAP(); } }()
>>  
>> ^
>> extern/catch2/catch.hpp:7881:34: note: expanded from macro 'CATCH_TRAP'
>>#define CATCH_TRAP() __asm__("int $3\n" : : ) /* NOLINT */
>> ^
>> :1:2: note: instantiated into assembly here
>>int $3
>>^
>> 1 error generated.
>> make: *** [utest-main.o] Error 1
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
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Re: [Therion] Adding a creative common image to each page of an atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi,
Thanks Martin it explain why I couldn’t find where command putting the legend 
at end was. 
Thanks also for the info to compile on the latest MacOs and apple chip. I’ll 
let the liste know if I can make it work.

Phil


> On 18 Jun 2021, at 21:23, Martin Budaj  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm afraid this is hardcoded in therion's c++ code which generates
> auxiliary tex files.
> As a workaround, you could perhaps add \formattedlegend at the
> beginning of the \insertmaps macro. (You would get the legend twice:
> before and after the maps.)
> M.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM Philippe Vernant
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Martin,
>> 
>> Thanks, that helped me a lot, I now have the image on each page of the 
>> atlas. I have also been able to find the \def\atlastitlepages in the 
>> therion.tex file and modify it to get the title and the survey team etc. on 
>> the same page. But the TeX learning curve is steep and I cannot find a way 
>> to have the legend with the symbol on the same first page rather than at the 
>> end of the atlas. Any clue on which part I should play with to have the 
>> legend before the maps ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 21:35, Martin Budaj  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> you need to use
>>> 
>>>   \hbox to 0pt{\hss\the\topoteam\qquad}
>>> 
>>> In your example you assign a new value "Name" to \topoteam, as
>>> \topoteam{Name} is equivalent to \topoteam={Name}.
>>> In addition, \the is needed to display the value of this register.
>>> 
>>> M.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:02 AM Philippe Vernant
>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Martin it works like a charm. I have the 5.5.7 thbook but there was 
>>>> nothing on \loadpicture.
>>>> 
>>>> Trying to add a few things, I added the following line in your block :
>>>>   \hbox to 0pt{\hss\topoteam{Name}\qquad}
>>>> 
>>>> But I don’t see “Name” on the atlas pages, what am I missing?
>>>> 
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 17:44, Martin Budaj  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> you can e.g. modify this part of the macro:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  \vbox to \ht\navbox{
>>>>>\ifnortharrow\hbox to 0pt{\hss\northarrow\qquad}\fi
>>>>>\vss
>>>>>\ifscalebar\hbox to 0pt{\hss\scalebar\qquad}\fi
>>>>>  }
>>>>> 
>>>>> to
>>>>> 
>>>>>  \vbox to \ht\navbox{
>>>>>\ifnortharrow\hbox to 0pt{\hss\northarrow\qquad}\fi
>>>>>\vss
>>>>>\ifscalebar\hbox to 0pt{\hss\scalebar\qquad}\fi
>>>>>\vss
>>>>>\hbox to 0pt{\hss\loadpicture{picture.pdf}\qquad}
>>>>>  }
>>>>> 
>>>>> which will put the picture.pdf below the scale bar. Currently
>>>>> \loadpicture doesn't support scaling images, so you need to prepare it
>>>>> in the right size beforehand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You also need to use a development version of therion if you want to
>>>>> use relative paths to pictures. See also the description of
>>>>> \loadpicture in https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/thbook.pdf, page
>>>>> 73.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:59 PM Philippe Vernant  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve tried, but could not figure it out where I should add a command in 
>>>>>> the “dopage” macro and which command I should add to include a figure. 
>>>>>> Any example that I could work on an modify would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 19:39, Martin Budaj  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> you need to redefine the '\dopage' macro; check the pages 70 and 71 in 
>>>>>> the thbook. Let me know if more specific advice is needed.
>>>>>> M.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:27 PM Philippe Verna

[Therion] Problem when compiling on MacOS

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

Has anyone been successful compiling xtherion on a Mac with the M1 chip and Big 
Sur ? I can compile and run therion but I have the following error message and 
fail to compile xtherion :

extern/catch2/catch.hpp:8205:13: error: unrecognized instruction mnemonic, did 
you mean: bit, cnt, hint, ins, not?
CATCH_BREAK_INTO_DEBUGGER();
^
extern/catch2/catch.hpp:7916:83: note: expanded from macro 
'CATCH_BREAK_INTO_DEBUGGER'
#define CATCH_BREAK_INTO_DEBUGGER() []{ if( Catch::isDebuggerActive() ) 
{ CATCH_TRAP(); } }()

  ^
extern/catch2/catch.hpp:7881:34: note: expanded from macro 'CATCH_TRAP'
#define CATCH_TRAP() __asm__("int $3\n" : : ) /* NOLINT */
 ^
:1:2: note: instantiated into assembly here
int $3
^
1 error generated.
make: *** [utest-main.o] Error 1

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Re: [Therion] Adding a creative common image to each page of an atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Martin,

Thanks, that helped me a lot, I now have the image on each page of the atlas. I 
have also been able to find the \def\atlastitlepages in the therion.tex file 
and modify it to get the title and the survey team etc. on the same page. But 
the TeX learning curve is steep and I cannot find a way to have the legend with 
the symbol on the same first page rather than at the end of the atlas. Any clue 
on which part I should play with to have the legend before the maps ?

Thanks,
Phil


> On 16 Jun 2021, at 21:35, Martin Budaj  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> you need to use
> 
>\hbox to 0pt{\hss\the\topoteam\qquad}
> 
> In your example you assign a new value "Name" to \topoteam, as
> \topoteam{Name} is equivalent to \topoteam={Name}.
> In addition, \the is needed to display the value of this register.
> 
> M.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:02 AM Philippe Vernant
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Martin it works like a charm. I have the 5.5.7 thbook but there was 
>> nothing on \loadpicture.
>> 
>> Trying to add a few things, I added the following line in your block :
>>\hbox to 0pt{\hss\topoteam{Name}\qquad}
>> 
>> But I don’t see “Name” on the atlas pages, what am I missing?
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 17:44, Martin Budaj  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> you can e.g. modify this part of the macro:
>>> 
>>>   \vbox to \ht\navbox{
>>> \ifnortharrow\hbox to 0pt{\hss\northarrow\qquad}\fi
>>> \vss
>>> \ifscalebar\hbox to 0pt{\hss\scalebar\qquad}\fi
>>>   }
>>> 
>>> to
>>> 
>>>   \vbox to \ht\navbox{
>>> \ifnortharrow\hbox to 0pt{\hss\northarrow\qquad}\fi
>>> \vss
>>> \ifscalebar\hbox to 0pt{\hss\scalebar\qquad}\fi
>>> \vss
>>> \hbox to 0pt{\hss\loadpicture{picture.pdf}\qquad}
>>>   }
>>> 
>>> which will put the picture.pdf below the scale bar. Currently
>>> \loadpicture doesn't support scaling images, so you need to prepare it
>>> in the right size beforehand.
>>> 
>>> You also need to use a development version of therion if you want to
>>> use relative paths to pictures. See also the description of
>>> \loadpicture in https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/thbook.pdf, page
>>> 73.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:59 PM Philippe Vernant  
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve tried, but could not figure it out where I should add a command in 
>>>> the “dopage” macro and which command I should add to include a figure. Any 
>>>> example that I could work on an modify would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 19:39, Martin Budaj  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> you need to redefine the '\dopage' macro; check the pages 70 and 71 in the 
>>>> thbook. Let me know if more specific advice is needed.
>>>> M.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:27 PM Philippe Vernant  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried several lines of code, but couldn’t success in adding a creative 
>>>>> common image on each page of an atlas. I guess this is possible and I’m 
>>>>> just too bad at metapost code to be successful. Has anyone a recipe to 
>>>>> make it work ? I’ve managed to make it on a map, but not on an atlas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Phil
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Re: [Therion] Adding a creative common image to each page of an atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Martin it works like a charm. I have the 5.5.7 thbook but there was 
nothing on \loadpicture.

Trying to add a few things, I added the following line in your block :
\hbox to 0pt{\hss\topoteam{Name}\qquad}

But I don’t see “Name” on the atlas pages, what am I missing?

Phil


> On 15 Jun 2021, at 17:44, Martin Budaj  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> you can e.g. modify this part of the macro:
> 
>\vbox to \ht\navbox{
>  \ifnortharrow\hbox to 0pt{\hss\northarrow\qquad}\fi
>  \vss
>  \ifscalebar\hbox to 0pt{\hss\scalebar\qquad}\fi
>}
> 
> to
> 
>\vbox to \ht\navbox{
>  \ifnortharrow\hbox to 0pt{\hss\northarrow\qquad}\fi
>  \vss
>  \ifscalebar\hbox to 0pt{\hss\scalebar\qquad}\fi
>  \vss
>  \hbox to 0pt{\hss\loadpicture{picture.pdf}\qquad}
>}
> 
> which will put the picture.pdf below the scale bar. Currently
> \loadpicture doesn't support scaling images, so you need to prepare it
> in the right size beforehand.
> 
> You also need to use a development version of therion if you want to
> use relative paths to pictures. See also the description of
> \loadpicture in https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/thbook.pdf, page
> 73.
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:59 PM Philippe Vernant  
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Martin,
>> 
>> I’ve tried, but could not figure it out where I should add a command in the 
>> “dopage” macro and which command I should add to include a figure. Any 
>> example that I could work on an modify would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 19:39, Martin Budaj  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> you need to redefine the '\dopage' macro; check the pages 70 and 71 in the 
>> thbook. Let me know if more specific advice is needed.
>> M.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:27 PM Philippe Vernant  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I tried several lines of code, but couldn’t success in adding a creative 
>>> common image on each page of an atlas. I guess this is possible and I’m 
>>> just too bad at metapost code to be successful. Has anyone a recipe to make 
>>> it work ? I’ve managed to make it on a map, but not on an atlas.
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Adding a creative common image to each page of an atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Martin,

I’ve tried, but could not figure it out where I should add a command in the 
“dopage” macro and which command I should add to include a figure. Any example 
that I could work on an modify would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil


> On 12 Jun 2021, at 19:39, Martin Budaj  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> you need to redefine the '\dopage' macro; check the pages 70 and 71 in the 
> thbook. Let me know if more specific advice is needed.
> M.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:27 PM Philippe Vernant  <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I tried several lines of code, but couldn’t success in adding a creative 
> common image on each page of an atlas. I guess this is possible and I’m just 
> too bad at metapost code to be successful. Has anyone a recipe to make it 
> work ? I’ve managed to make it on a map, but not on an atlas.
> 
> Thanks,
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[Therion] Adding a creative common image to each page of an atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi,

I tried several lines of code, but couldn’t success in adding a creative common 
image on each page of an atlas. I guess this is possible and I’m just too bad 
at metapost code to be successful. Has anyone a recipe to make it work ? I’ve 
managed to make it on a map, but not on an atlas.

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Re: [Therion] sort drawings authors

[Philippe Vernant]

I'm running Big Sur 11.3 on a M1 macbook air. Has anyone successfully compiled 
survex and therion on this kind of hard/software ?

Phil


> On 6 Jun 2021, at 12:02, Martin Sluka via Therion  wrote:
> 
> There is a problem with Xcode version and cmake compilator, you need 10.13 or 
> higher.
> 
> Martin
> 
>> 4. 6. 2021 v 17:05, Philippe Vernant > <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Thanks Bruce, that did it after I updated my therion release! But now my 
>> xtherion isn’t working anymore, the compilation fails at some point. I 
>> changed my mac, maybe I shouldn’t have !
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2021, at 00:13, Bruce Mutton >> <mailto:br...@tomo.co.nz>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes Phil
>>> This functionality was added earlier this year (or was it last year?)
>>>  
>>> Here is a standard layout that I use.  The comments should give you a clue 
>>> as to functionality.
>>>  
>>> layout LayoutStatisticsNormal 
>>> #---  List all participant statistics in order of 
>>> contribution but without detail
>>>   statistics explo all  # all/off/number   # names of 
>>> explorers, or 'number' most significant explorers
>>>   statistics explo-length hide  # on/hide/off# on=sort by 
>>> length and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>>>   statistics topo all# all/off/number   # names of 
>>> survey team members 
>>>   statistics topo-length hide   # on/hide/off # on=sort by 
>>> length and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>>>   statistics carto all   # all/off/number   # names of 
>>> scrap authors 
>>>   statistics carto-count hide# on/hide/off# on=sort by 
>>> count and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>>>   statistics copyright all# all/off/number   # names of 
>>> scrap copyrights  
>>>   statistics copyright-count hide # on/hide/off# on=sort by count 
>>> and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>>> endlayout LayoutStatisticsNormal
>>>  
>>> There is information in the Therion Book pages 55 and 56.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You may need to update to a more recent version if it is not in your 
>>> Therion Book.
>>>  
>>> Bruce
>>>  
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Therion >> <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>> On Behalf Of Philippe Vernant
>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2021 09:25
>>> To: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
>>> Subject: [Therion] sort drawings authors
>>>  
>>> Hello,
>>>  
>>> Is there a way to have the authors of the scraps sorted by the number / 
>>> length of drawings instead of alphabetical order? I’ve been looking in the 
>>> thbook but could not find anything on that question.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
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Re: [Therion] sort drawings authors

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Bruce, that did it after I updated my therion release! But now my 
xtherion isn’t working anymore, the compilation fails at some point. I changed 
my mac, maybe I shouldn’t have !

Cheers,
Phil



> On 30 May 2021, at 00:13, Bruce Mutton  wrote:
> 
> Yes Phil
> This functionality was added earlier this year (or was it last year?)
>  
> Here is a standard layout that I use.  The comments should give you a clue as 
> to functionality.
>  
> layout LayoutStatisticsNormal 
> #---  List all participant statistics in order of 
> contribution but without detail
>   statistics explo all  # all/off/number   # names of 
> explorers, or 'number' most significant explorers
>   statistics explo-length hide  # on/hide/off# on=sort by length 
> and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>   statistics topo all# all/off/number   # names of 
> survey team members 
>   statistics topo-length hide   # on/hide/off # on=sort by length 
> and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>   statistics carto all   # all/off/number   # names of 
> scrap authors 
>   statistics carto-count hide# on/hide/off# on=sort by count 
> and show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
>   statistics copyright all# all/off/number   # names of scrap 
> copyrights  
>   statistics copyright-count hide # on/hide/off# on=sort by count and 
> show, hide=and hide, off=alpha-sort
> endlayout LayoutStatisticsNormal
>  
> There is information in the Therion Book pages 55 and 56.
> 
> 
> You may need to update to a more recent version if it is not in your Therion 
> Book.
>  
> Bruce
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion  On Behalf Of Philippe Vernant
> Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2021 09:25
> To: List for Therion users 
> Subject: [Therion] sort drawings authors
>  
> Hello,
>  
> Is there a way to have the authors of the scraps sorted by the number / 
> length of drawings instead of alphabetical order? I’ve been looking in the 
> thbook but could not find anything on that question.
>  
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[Therion] sort drawings authors

[Philippe Vernant]

Hello,

Is there a way to have the authors of the scraps sorted by the number / length 
of drawings instead of alphabetical order? I’ve been looking in the thbook but 
could not find anything on that question.

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Re: [Therion] Atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Awesome option ! Thanks again for pointing this out !

Phil


> On 26 May 2021, at 22:12, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I’ll dive in the thbook to discover that option. Sounds like a great 
> option to me !
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
>> On 26 May 2021, at 22:09, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 26/05/2021 21:05, Philippe Vernant wrote:
>>> Thanks Stacho for the example. If I understand correctly it means that
>>> for an atlas I cannot keep the option "color map-fg map” and get the
>>> maps on the same page with color coding for each map. It is either all
>>> the maps but the same color with transparency levels, or one by one maps
>>> but with different colors. Am I right ?
>> 
>> You can always use a lookup to set colours for the submaps. The good
>> part about that is that they don't randomly change every time you add a
>> new submap in the middle, which they will do with a basic colour-by-map.
>> 
>> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/examples#colour_palette_scales_-_lookups
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Re: [Therion] Atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks, I’ll dive in the thbook to discover that option. Sounds like a great 
option to me !

Phil


> On 26 May 2021, at 22:09, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 26/05/2021 21:05, Philippe Vernant wrote:
>> Thanks Stacho for the example. If I understand correctly it means that
>> for an atlas I cannot keep the option "color map-fg map” and get the
>> maps on the same page with color coding for each map. It is either all
>> the maps but the same color with transparency levels, or one by one maps
>> but with different colors. Am I right ?
> 
> You can always use a lookup to set colours for the submaps. The good
> part about that is that they don't randomly change every time you add a
> new submap in the middle, which they will do with a basic colour-by-map.
> 
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Re: [Therion] Atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Stacho for the example. If I understand correctly it means that for an 
atlas I cannot keep the option "color map-fg map” and get the maps on the same 
page with color coding for each map. It is either all the maps but the same 
color with transparency levels, or one by one maps but with different colors. 
Am I right ?

Cheers,
Phil


> On 26 May 2021, at 18:59, Stacho Mudrak  wrote:
> 
> I am really sorry, I made a mistake :/
> 
> -map-level 0 is an argument for select command, not export altas. See 
> attached example. 
> 
> select top-level-map -map-level 0
> 
> and then
> 
> export atlas
> 
> should work. I am sorry once again, I knew the option but I did not notice, I 
> have added it to select not an export command when I have tried.
> But you will probably have to define the top-level map containing all 
> selected maps in your case.
> 
> S.
> 
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 10:57, Philippe Vernant  <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Stacho,
> 
> Thanks for your answer. I didn’t had select commands in my thconfig file. 
> Using your suggestion I had the following error :
> 
> therion: error -- garrel.thconfig -- unknown option -- "-map-level"
> 
> I added some select commands  and now I have the following lines in my 
> thconfig :
> 
> select siphons_blocs@garrel 
> select 1ere_entree_a_gours_Pascal@garrel 
> select 2eme_entree_a_baignoire@garrel 
> 
> # Map
> export map -projection plan -o ./topos/garrel_plan_couleur.pdf -layout 
> water-blue -layout carte_couleur 
> 
> # Atlas
> export atlas -map-level 0 -projection plan -o ./topos/garrel_atlas.pdf 
> -layout water-blue -layout atlass
> 
> And I still have the "therion: error -- garrel.thconfig -- unknown option -- 
> "-map-level” “ error message.
> 
> I’m running therion 5.5.0, but in the thbook the option "map-level” is 
> described so I guess this is not related to the Therion release I’m using.
> 
> I cannot figure out what I’m missing. Any suggestion ?
> 
> Best,
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 May 2021, at 21:05, Stacho Mudrak > <mailto:li...@group-s.sk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Philippe,
>> 
>> one page per map is a feature. When maps overlap, you normally use preview 
>> above/below to show over/underlying maps not to hide all details of a map of 
>> interest.
>> 
>> In any case - if you want to display all maps one above the other, just use:
>> 
>> export atlas -map-level 0
>> 
>> which means, that therion stops splitting maps to submaps at level 0 - the 
>> topmost selected map.
>> 
>> HTH, S.
>> 
>> On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 22:41, Philippe Vernant > <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I’m trying to generate an atlas but I don’t understand why the different 
>> maps do not appear on the same page when they overlay. I have a maplist with 
>> maps corresponding to parts of the networks, and they often overlay, so 
>> coloring by maps is very helpful. I does work when I plot a regular map, but 
>> when I try to generate the altas, the parts with maps overlying in the same 
>> area separated, one page per map. I can put all the maps in one and generate 
>> the atlas but in this cas I lose the benefice of having the color per maps. 
>> Is there a way to have the same atlas drawing as for the regular map with 
>> coloring option " color map-fg map”
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] Atlas

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Hi Stacho,

Thanks for your answer. I didn’t had select commands in my thconfig file. Using 
your suggestion I had the following error :

therion: error -- garrel.thconfig -- unknown option -- "-map-level"

I added some select commands  and now I have the following lines in my thconfig 
:

select siphons_blocs@garrel 
select 1ere_entree_a_gours_Pascal@garrel 
select 2eme_entree_a_baignoire@garrel 

# Map
export map -projection plan -o ./topos/garrel_plan_couleur.pdf -layout 
water-blue -layout carte_couleur 

# Atlas
export atlas -map-level 0 -projection plan -o ./topos/garrel_atlas.pdf -layout 
water-blue -layout atlass

And I still have the "therion: error -- garrel.thconfig -- unknown option -- 
"-map-level” “ error message.

I’m running therion 5.5.0, but in the thbook the option "map-level” is 
described so I guess this is not related to the Therion release I’m using.

I cannot figure out what I’m missing. Any suggestion ?

Best,
Phil



> On 25 May 2021, at 21:05, Stacho Mudrak  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe,
> 
> one page per map is a feature. When maps overlap, you normally use preview 
> above/below to show over/underlying maps not to hide all details of a map of 
> interest.
> 
> In any case - if you want to display all maps one above the other, just use:
> 
> export atlas -map-level 0
> 
> which means, that therion stops splitting maps to submaps at level 0 - the 
> topmost selected map.
> 
> HTH, S.
> 
> On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 22:41, Philippe Vernant  <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I’m trying to generate an atlas but I don’t understand why the different maps 
> do not appear on the same page when they overlay. I have a maplist with maps 
> corresponding to parts of the networks, and they often overlay, so coloring 
> by maps is very helpful. I does work when I plot a regular map, but when I 
> try to generate the altas, the parts with maps overlying in the same area 
> separated, one page per map. I can put all the maps in one and generate the 
> atlas but in this cas I lose the benefice of having the color per maps. Is 
> there a way to have the same atlas drawing as for the regular map with 
> coloring option " color map-fg map”
> 
> Thanks,
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[Therion] Atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

I’m trying to generate an atlas but I don’t understand why the different maps 
do not appear on the same page when they overlay. I have a maplist with maps 
corresponding to parts of the networks, and they often overlay, so coloring by 
maps is very helpful. I does work when I plot a regular map, but when I try to 
generate the altas, the parts with maps overlying in the same area separated, 
one page per map. I can put all the maps in one and generate the atlas but in 
this cas I lose the benefice of having the color per maps. Is there a way to 
have the same atlas drawing as for the regular map with coloring option " color 
map-fg map”

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Re: [Therion] North arrow and magnetic declination

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi,

This seems strange. The magnetic north change over time so why bother to choose 
a date and plot the magnetic north if you can correct it thanks to therion and 
have the map with the geographic north? The only interesting point I see would 
be to draw the magnetic north at the time when the cavers will go caving so 
they can use their compass without headache ;-)

Phil 




> On 27 May 2020, at 15:51, Bill Gee  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone -
>  
> I was looking at some of the sample code on the wiki for alternate north 
> arrows.  At least two of them display both geographic north and magnetic 
> north.  Those are northarrow4 and northarrow4a, both by Dirk Peinelt.
>  
> My question is this:  What date is used when calculating the offset angle for 
> the magnetic north arrow?
>  
> This is especially relevant for caves that have been surveyed over a period 
> of years.  The declination changes from year to year, and sometimes more 
> often than that.  There are at least four possibilities:
>  
> 1) The date of the first survey.
> 2) The date of the most recent survey.
> 3) A date about half-way between the first and last surveys.  This assumes 
> that the declination change is somewhat linear over time.
> 4) The date the map is compiled.
>  
> Does anyone know which date is used?
>  
> For me this is mostly academic.  I am just curious!  I have never used a 
> north arrow that shows both geographic and magnetic north.  Most of the maps 
> I make are for caves in Missouri.  The magnetic declination is less than 1 
> degree.  It is almost irrelevant here.
>  
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [Therion] Command line Therion on Windows

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Hi Rhys,

Are you sure that is is not the end of the line rather than the slashes ?

Phil


> On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:00, Rhys Tyers  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have therion data repo that has been mainly worked on by linux/mac users. 
> Now I'm trying to work on it in Windows. Using the xtherion gui works fine, 
> but if I try to use the therion.exe directly on the command line (like I 
> would in linux) then it fails because all the file paths have forward slashes 
> rather than back slashes.
> 
> Is there a way to get command line therion to run on files with linux style 
> file paths? I assume there must be because xtherion manages it somehow.
> 
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Re: [Therion] Running Xtherion on Mac OS X Catalina

[Philippe Vernant]

I think the make will do, or you could replace it by make install if I’m not 
mistaking.

Phil


> On 1 Apr 2020, at 16:58, Martin Sluka via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Shouldn’t be there one more line: make install?
> 
> Martin
> 
> Odesláno z iPhonu
> 
> 31. 3. 2020 v 23:55, Philippe Vernant  <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>:
> 
>> Here are my notes of the last install on High Sierra with homebrew, in case 
>> it can help …
>> 
>> 1) Install homebrew 
>> 2) Install survex via homebrew (cf. survex site web)
>> 3) brew install tcl-tk
>> 4) install the mactex package
>> 5) add in ~/.profile : 
>>export PATH=/Library/TeX/texbin:$PATH
>> 6) brew install vtk
>> 7) In therion/loch, change the Makefile :
>>comment: #VTKLIBPATH = $(shell tclsh ./getvtkver.tcl libpath)
>>add: VTKLIBPATH = /usr/local/lib/
>> 8) In Therion directory 
>>make config-macosx
>>make
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2020, at 18:27, Philippe Vernant >> <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Did you try to reinstall Therion after updating to Catalina ? I don’t have 
>>> Catalina, I’m sticking to High Sierra where everything is running fine so 
>>> far.
>>> How do you usually install Therion on a Mac ?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:04, David Eason via Therion >>> <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Therion mailing list,
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if anyone has had any success building, installing and running 
>>>> Therion on Mac OS X Catalina (OS 10.15.2)? I have successfully built and 
>>>> installed Therion 5.4.4, and Therion and Loch both run fine. Before the 
>>>> upgrade, everything worked OK, but it looks like some things have moved 
>>>> around in this version of OS X, amongst other things breaking. When I try 
>>>> to run Xtherion, Tcl/Tk can't seem to locate BWidget, and the GUI can't 
>>>> run:
>>>> 
>>>> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
>>>> while executing
>>>> "package require BWidget"
>>>> (file "/usr/local/bin/xtherion" line 12268)
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried unpacking the bwidget 1.9.14 scripts to /usr/local/lib 
>>>> thinking that tcl would check there, and then also tried to set auto_path 
>>>> to force tcl to look in there, but it won't seem to start up. There's a 
>>>> pause, and Wish seems to start up, and yet XQuartz actually opens; I have 
>>>> tcl 8.6 installed and can run the tclsh OK.
>>>> 
>>>> It's been frustrating me for a while, and I saw this lockdown in the UK as 
>>>> an opportunity to have another look at this. Any pointers or tips would be 
>>>> most welcome.
>>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Running Xtherion on Mac OS X Catalina

[Philippe Vernant]

Here are my notes of the last install on High Sierra with homebrew, in case it 
can help …

1) Install homebrew 
2) Install survex via homebrew (cf. survex site web)
3) brew install tcl-tk
4) install the mactex package
5) add in ~/.profile : 
   export PATH=/Library/TeX/texbin:$PATH
6) brew install vtk
7) In therion/loch, change the Makefile :
   comment: #VTKLIBPATH = $(shell tclsh ./getvtkver.tcl libpath)
   add: VTKLIBPATH = /usr/local/lib/
8) In Therion directory 
   make config-macosx
   make

Phil


> On 31 Mar 2020, at 18:27, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Did you try to reinstall Therion after updating to Catalina ? I don’t have 
> Catalina, I’m sticking to High Sierra where everything is running fine so far.
> How do you usually install Therion on a Mac ?
> 
> Best,
> Phil
> 
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:04, David Eason via Therion > <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Therion mailing list,
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has had any success building, installing and running 
>> Therion on Mac OS X Catalina (OS 10.15.2)? I have successfully built and 
>> installed Therion 5.4.4, and Therion and Loch both run fine. Before the 
>> upgrade, everything worked OK, but it looks like some things have moved 
>> around in this version of OS X, amongst other things breaking. When I try to 
>> run Xtherion, Tcl/Tk can't seem to locate BWidget, and the GUI can't run:
>> 
>> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
>> while executing
>> "package require BWidget"
>> (file "/usr/local/bin/xtherion" line 12268)
>> 
>> I have tried unpacking the bwidget 1.9.14 scripts to /usr/local/lib thinking 
>> that tcl would check there, and then also tried to set auto_path to force 
>> tcl to look in there, but it won't seem to start up. There's a pause, and 
>> Wish seems to start up, and yet XQuartz actually opens; I have tcl 8.6 
>> installed and can run the tclsh OK.
>> 
>> It's been frustrating me for a while, and I saw this lockdown in the UK as 
>> an opportunity to have another look at this. Any pointers or tips would be 
>> most welcome.
>> 
>> Regards,
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Re: [Therion] Running Xtherion on Mac OS X Catalina

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi David,

Did you try to reinstall Therion after updating to Catalina ? I don’t have 
Catalina, I’m sticking to High Sierra where everything is running fine so far.
How do you usually install Therion on a Mac ?

Best,
Phil


> On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:04, David Eason via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Dear Therion mailing list,
> 
> I wonder if anyone has had any success building, installing and running 
> Therion on Mac OS X Catalina (OS 10.15.2)? I have successfully built and 
> installed Therion 5.4.4, and Therion and Loch both run fine. Before the 
> upgrade, everything worked OK, but it looks like some things have moved 
> around in this version of OS X, amongst other things breaking. When I try to 
> run Xtherion, Tcl/Tk can't seem to locate BWidget, and the GUI can't run:
> 
> Error in startup script: can't find package BWidget
> while executing
> "package require BWidget"
> (file "/usr/local/bin/xtherion" line 12268)
> 
> I have tried unpacking the bwidget 1.9.14 scripts to /usr/local/lib thinking 
> that tcl would check there, and then also tried to set auto_path to force tcl 
> to look in there, but it won't seem to start up. There's a pause, and Wish 
> seems to start up, and yet XQuartz actually opens; I have tcl 8.6 installed 
> and can run the tclsh OK.
> 
> It's been frustrating me for a while, and I saw this lockdown in the UK as an 
> opportunity to have another look at this. Any pointers or tips would be most 
> welcome.
> 
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Re: [Therion] LOX: Measure distance from station to surface

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi,

There is an easy way to extract coordinates from the therion sql export. Then 
using a shell script and GMT could provide the depth of each point below the 
surface. I know that there is now a GMT library under Python, if they have 
implemented the function in the library, everything could be wrapped up in a 
single python script. 

Cheers,
Phil


> On 28 Mar 2020, at 00:28, Benedikt Hallinger  wrote:
> 
> cavern had eaten itself, but after pushing ctrl-c in the shell running 
> therion, the 3d  file was written successfully and the output was nice.
> 
> I enhanced the therion wiki a little with a link to the tool.
> 
> Sorry, i have no clue how to cross compile this for windows.
> 
> 
> Am 2020-03-27 23:51, schrieb Benedikt Hallinger:
>> Hi there,
>> i just wrote a small tool to do the conversion from a therion surface
>> mesh into survex format:
>> https://github.com/hbeni/therionsurface2survex
>> It would be nice if some C++ programmers can look over the code as
>> this is my first c++ endeavour.
>> The program basically parses the therion source file and generates
>> *fix commands out of it together with nosurvey-centerline connecting
>> the stations to a mesh.
>> The resulting .swx file then can be put trough survex' cavern program
>> to generate a 3d file of the mesh.
>> That can be easily combined with a 3d file of the cave generated from
>> therion (using the import statements). For ease of use provided a
>> basic example for combining in the readme. A sample to parse a mesh is
>> in the projects example/ folder, however i also tested it positive
>> with the rabbit cave example.
>> With my dataset the calculation seems to take a little longer
>> there are 388.800 fixe stations in the surface mesh giving a 31M
>> swx-file in total.
>> I hope this will finish somtime (running already for 25 minutes) but
>> maybe i overloaded cavern with this.
>> Otherwise i probably need to turn down the grid resolution (currently
>> 10m grid size).
>> Am 2020-03-26 23:23, schrieb Tarquin Wilton-Jones:
 However, my aven does not enable me to avtivate it in the view menu, its
 disabled (greyed out), i assume because i do not have surface data in
 the file?
>>> Sounds like it. It works based on legs that have:
>>> flags surface
>>> 1 2 9.8 123 0
>>> flags not surface
>>> Or if you have used TerrainTool to export it as a grid, it will have
>>> added that for you.
>>> This has been very easy for us in our projects because we either knew
>>> exactly which line to follow on the surface beforehand, or we surveyed
>>> the cave first then surveyed over the surface afterwards, staying above
>>> the passage so we could have a useful measure of the surface above the cave.
>>> In more complex caves, I rely on TerrainTool to cover the surface.
>>> Looking forward to being able to use the new more accurate NASADEM so
>>> that the measurements are actually accurate.
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Re: [Therion] How does Therion decide which passages to put above and below

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Alastair,

You need to use the command “break” in your map list:

map
   scrap1
   scrap2
  break
   scrap3
   scrap4
endmap

scrap1 and scrap2 will be on the front level, scrap3 and scrap4 on back level. 
Of course, you can use as many break as you want.

Cheers,
Phil


> On 12 Dec 2019, at 23:08, alastair gott  wrote:
> 
> Hi momentarily forgot which file you needed,
> 
> Sorry you need the main .th file not .thconfig
> 
> Claphamjn_PartingfrMaster.th 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alastair Gott.
> 
> alastairg...@hotmail.com ,
> M: 07931779380.
> From: Therion  on behalf of alastair gott 
> 
> Sent: 12 December 2019 22:04
> To: Therion Mailing List 
> Subject: [Therion] How does Therion decide which passages to put above and 
> below
>  
> Hi Therion guys,
> 
> In the final throws of getting a report done for Spanish Gov before the end 
> of the year.
> 
> I need to know how therion decides which passages to put above and below 
> others.
> 
> I've got higher passages appearing below lower passages, I've moved them 
> around in the map structure, to no solution.
> 
> So I just want to know If anyone had any insight as to what I should try.
> 
> Specific example for SVN users here: 
> http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Andara/Tresviso/Nacimiento/therion/ 
> 
> 
> Claphamjn_Partingfr.thconfig 
> 
>  is the config which runs the main survey below.
> 
> Both side passages (north of main) should be appearing above, hence label 
> "drop to streamway"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alastair Gott.
> 
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Re: [Therion] kml export is not working

[Philippe Vernant]

No it does not work.

Best,
Phil


> On 5 Dec 2019, at 10:34, Torsten Schnitter via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil
> 
> Thanks.
> If I don't select any line, survey or map it also works on windows.
> 
> But does it work on your mac if you uncomment the first 5 statements "select 
> line_ " ?
> 
> regards,
> Torsten
> 
>> Philippe Vernant  hat am 5. Dezember 2019 um 10:24 
>> geschrieben: 
>> 
>> Hi Torsten, 
>> 
>> With this thconfig it works on mac.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Phil
>> 
>>  
> 
>  
> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Dec 2019, at 08:51, Torsten Schnitter via Therion < therion@speleo.sk 
>>> <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alastair, hi Henry
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>> Unfortunately it doesn't make any difference.
>>> 
>>> Coordinate system lat-long is supported as you can read in the Therion book 
>>> on page 14.
>>> Therefore I don't see a reason not to use it. Beside this it did work in 
>>> the past (can't say on which Therion version it was).
>>> And with some of the select statements it still works with lat-long.
>>> 
>>> But I also tried to use "cs UTM31N".
>>> This didn't make any difference.
>>> Same select statements are working or not... like with "cs lat-long".
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> Torsten
>>> 
>>>> alastair gott < alastairg...@hotmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:alastairg...@hotmail.com>> hat am 4. Dezember 2019 um 19:35 
>>>> geschrieben: 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Torsten,
>>>> 
>>>> Would it be cs  UTM31N  (I use UTM30N for spain so assume that you're 
>>>> UTM31N for the lot)
>>>> 
>>>> I find the UTM from geoplaner normally, not sure who suggested it, but 
>>>> it's a good shout https://www.geoplaner.com/ <https://www.geoplaner.com/> 
>>>> 
>>>> Worth checking it out on Geoplaner, as its giving me the UTM31N for your 
>>>> coordinates as being 390214 4960303
>>>> 
>>>> so i'd say you should try:
>>>> cs  UTM31N
>>>> fix 9 0 390214 4960303 105
>>>> 
>>>> Marco gives a couple of the coordinate systems that you can use
>>>> 
>>>>   http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/tbe/m_02/m_02a.htm 
>>>> <http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/tbe/m_02/m_02a.htm> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marco doesn't give cs osgb:sk but I know it can be used (If it's in the 
>>>> uk, because of course the British have to be different 🙁 ) 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alastair Gott.
>>>> 
>>>> alastairg...@hotmail.com <mailto:alastairg...@hotmail.com>,
>>>> M: 07931779380. 
>>>>   
>>>> From: Therion >>> <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>> on behalf of henry.benn...@dell.com 
>>>> <mailto:henry.benn...@dell.com> >>> <mailto:henry.benn...@dell.com>>
>>>> Sent: 04 December 2019 16:52
>>>> To: therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >>> <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Therion] kml export is not working
>>>>  
>>>> Pretty sure you can’t use “CS lat-long”.  I can get it to work by 
>>>> stripping back to just using reseau_de_louysse_surveys_dry2_2012_09.th 
>>>> <http://reseau_de_louysse_surveys_dry2_2012_09.th/> and swapping it for 
>>>> “cs EPSG:32651” but then it puts it in completely the wrong place, however 
>>>> it does populate the kml file correctly.
>>>>  
>>>> Henry
>>>>  
>>>> From: Therion < therion-boun...@speleo.sk 
>>>> <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>> On Behalf Of Nick Bairstow 
>>>> Sent: 03 December 2019 11:44 
>>>> To: List for Therion users 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Therion] kml export is not working
>>>>  
>>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>>>> > As far as I know you only need a geo reference within your survey 
>>>> > network.
>>>> >But you don't need to have a geo reference within your selected data for 
>>>> >output.
>>>> >Am I wrong with that?
>>>> You are correct, as long as you input the georeferenced survey in the top 
>&

Re: [Therion] Therion draw line survey in atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Bruce and Martin !

I was thinking that there was a way to toggle something on or off to have only 
the non-blank pages of the atlas, but I’ll go for the manual process !

Cheers,
Phil


> On 23 Oct 2019, at 19:50, Bruce Mutton  wrote:
> 
> As Martin's post suggests, it is a manual process.  Each time you change the 
> layout of your export, add or subtract from the selected passages, or change 
> the origin of your atlas, the pagination may change.  Therefore if you make 
> changes, you should comment out the exclude statement briefly and make sure 
> your 'excludes' are still valid.  If you have an annoying short bit of 
> passage on one page, you should be able to modify the origin to try for a 
> 'best fit.
> 
> Here is an extract from a layout that manages a number of possible outputs.
> 
>  #Set co-ord system and position of map on the atlas tessellation
>  #-  
>  cs EPSG:27200 #NZ Map Grid 1949
>  # grid-co-ords all # use to locate tessellation within cs grid
>  origin-label 1 A #label type2 A gives A1, 1 A gives A0, 0 
> A gives A-1
> 
>  #origin = co-ords of lower left corner of first atlas page
>  #origin -150 -700 -100 metres # survey D
>  # origin 2500900 6022550 380 metres   # for Celebration 1000 Atlas July 2011
>  #origin 2501060 6023550 380 metres# for Celebration 1000 A3Landscape 
> Atlas Oct 2011  
>  # origin 2501100 6022400 380 metres# for Inception 2000 A3Landscape 
> Atlas Aug 2011
> 
>  # PAGE EXCLUSIONS # page numbers are relative - not including the title 
> pages  
>  #
>  #exclude-pages on [1,7] # for Celebration 1000 A3Landscape Atlas Oct 2011
>  # exclude-pages on 2 # for Inception 2000 A3Landscape Atlas Aug 2011
>  # exclude-pages on [1-5, 7-12, 15-18, 21-23, 27-30, 33-38, 41-42, 48-51, 
> 57-61, 64-69] 
>  # exclude-pages on [1-8, 11-12, 16-19, 23-25, 29-36]  
> 
> Some useful resources...
> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/templates#atlas_specific 
> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/tips#atlas_layout_parameter_calculator
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion  On Behalf Of Philippe Vernant
> Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2019 03:37
> To: List for Therion users 
> Subject: [Therion] Therion draw line survey in atlas
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I’m trying to draw an atlas of the survey lines (the scraps are not drawn 
> yet). But when I do that I have the pages with the lines but also the pages 
> without. Is there a way to toggle something up so I will have my survey lines 
> atlas without the blank pages ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil
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[Therion] Therion draw line survey in atlas

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi guys,

I’m trying to draw an atlas of the survey lines (the scraps are not drawn yet). 
But when I do that I have the pages with the lines but also the pages without. 
Is there a way to toggle something up so I will have my survey lines atlas 
without the blank pages ?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] scrap without stations keeps the original sketch in Topodroid

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Omri,

Do you use a distoX when you survey the cave ? Otherwise, it is normal that 
therion change the drawing since usually the drawing differs from the 
measurements.

Best,
Phil


> On 6 Oct 2019, at 21:31, ⁨עמרי גסטר⁩ <⁨omri...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I want to raise a question I've been having with my self...
> when I'm in the cave I use Topodroid to make the sketch. when I export the 
> map in Therion with "debug on" I see the changes that Therion makes which 
> make the final map different from the sketch I made in Topodroid (sometimes 
> it is a big difference).
> a few days ago I noticed that if I make a new scrap and move all the map 
> elements that I draw except the stations, the map turns out exactly as I draw 
> it on Topodroid.
> 
> As I understand it, Therion change the map to overcome or compensate errors 
> or Deviations, especially when there are loops involved, but wouldn't it be 
> more accurate to stick to the original sketch that I drew with Topodroid  in 
> the cave?
> what do you think?
> 
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Re: [Therion] Extended profile problems

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Bill,

Not sure to understand what you are trying to do. Are you trying to make the 
full extended profile of the cave ? In which .th2 is your profile drawing ? 

Phil

> On 6 Sep 2019, at 16:09, Bill Gee  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin -
> 
> This is a commercial cave - there are no secrets!  The attached ZIP file has 
> the thconfig, .th, .th2 and centerline data files for the whole project.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Gee
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, September 6, 2019 8:50:38 AM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
>> Bill, 
>> 
>> may you publish all your data? Or send it privately?
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>>> 6. 9. 2019 v 15:47, Bill Gee :
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone -
>>> 
>>> I have not been putting elevation profiles on my maps for several years 
>>> because it is such a pain to do in Therion.  The time has come where I need 
>>> to start adding them to several maps in progress.  
>>> 
>>> In the past I have defined the profile scraps as type "elevation" and given 
>>> them a viewpoint angle.  The profile I am working on now will not work for 
>>> that because it basically goes around in a circle.  There is no viewpoint 
>>> angle where the entire profile lays out in a line.  The plan view is a loop.
>>> 
>>> So for this one I defined the scrap as type "extended".  Holy cow, that 
>>> makes a mess of things!  Take a look at the attached file.  This is so 
>>> distorted it is hard to figure out how it relates to the drawing!  The 
>>> stations in this profile go about 3/4 of the way around the circle.  The 
>>> upper half of the resulting map is upside down and magnified about 5 times 
>>> larger than it should be.
>>> 
>>> What am I missing???  Do I correctly understand that an "extended" scrap 
>>> should draw just the way it appears on the original sketch?  How should I 
>>> be drawing
>>> 
>>> Maybe I should completely skip using elevations.  I can probably make them 
>>> work by drawing as cross-sections.  Indeed, that might be easier to fit 
>>> onto the final map.  I think the only real problem there is whether 
>>> cross-section scraps can be joined.
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Karst3D database, a quick overview.

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Markus,

Not sure if it is the place to discuss about that but as a caver what I see is 
that I’m 42 years old and I’m among the youngest cavers of our area (in 
southern France), caving is not fun and fashionable anymore so I’m not to 
worried about an increase in the cave visits. As a scientist I’m more worried 
by the lost of invaluable data of cave surveys. These data will bring a better 
understanding karst systems and network and cavers are not aware of the work 
they have done/are doing. I had to resurvey 9km of a cave that where lost, and 
there are many more lost data.

From your comment I see that “paranoia” seems to be a worldwide behavior of the 
cavers being afraid of someone stilling “their” caves, but unfortunately many 
data are lost due to that behavior. Don’t take it personally or be angry about 
that it is just an observation. I’ve seen the same behavior about the 
Grottocenter database (which I’m not part of it) but I doubt that there has 
been an increase in cavers/accident/visits due to that database, at least in my 
area...

Best,
Phil   

> On 3 Sep 2019, at 19:10, Markus Boldt  wrote:
> 
> Dear Phil, in fact it is a good Idea and a great work. But...
> But there are some evident problems, if I would give you "my" data from "our" 
> caves - for example. There are often at some projects a lot of surveyors over 
> the years. So I have to ask them all. In germany the data are archieved until 
> now in so called "Kataster". Every karst region has one. There is a person 
> (mostly some) who has the confidence of all cavers in the particular region. 
> There is an agreement that I am (or my collegues) not allowed to give that 
> data to an public institution so that these data will be very public in the 
> future. Only cavers (or caverclubs) who are working for the "Kataster" have 
> an access to these data. And additionally to that there are some Clubs in 
> germany who do there data to the Kataster but it is not really seeable for 
> other users (Keyword: Competition) . You write that is also possible at your 
> website but only maximum 5 years. 
> Our Kataster is working with "Spelix" since two years now. This program is 
> made from a caver from austria. All the possibilities I have seen until now 
> in your release and more are implemented in that program. But not reachable 
> for the public. 
> The risk of your site is that everyone will have informations from the caves 
> and so the numbers of visits to the caves will increase, I think. 
> And please there are often "so called" cavers (often from clubs also) who are 
> taking so such informations, to go in caves during holidays without having 
> contact to the cavers from that region. 
> That is not what we want for our caves because it is an extremely sensitive 
> environment. 
> This comment is from me personnel. Others in Germany may have another 
> opinion. 
> Please take it only as an information and be not angry about that (do a look 
> to my first sentence). 
> best regards 
> Markus
>  
> Von: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk 
> <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>] Im Auftrag von Philippe Vernant
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. September 2019 15:12
> An: List for Therion users
> Betreff: [Therion] Karst3D database, a quick overview.
>  
> Hi guys,
>  
> We’ve just launched a database to archive cave survey data. Our database 
> relies a lot on Therion, and I’d like to thank the developers for their great 
> job! I’d like to do the same for the developer of Cave View !
>  
> This is a big beta release and we hope to make it better with more option in 
> the future (DEM, statistical analysis of the karst network, etc.): 
> https://data.oreme.org/observation/karst3d 
> <https://data.oreme.org/observation/karst3d> 
>  
> I’d be happy to have your feedback, specially if you decide to upload some 
> data. We’ve chosen to have the opportunity of an embargo time before 
> releasing the data, you can choose between 0 and 5 years, but since it is a 
> public university we have to make the data archived public a some point. But 
> the 3D view will be online soon after you upload the data.
>  
> Here is a short tutorial on how to visualize several caves at the same time.
>  
> Looking forward to have your feedback.
>  
> Phil
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Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Anton,

My mistake, sorry for that, if you remove the 10 10 10 it should work :

cs EPSG:4326   # code WGS84
fix E6 3.58505 43.81139 194 

Cheers,
Phil


> On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:54, Anton van Rosmalen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe!
>  
> Thanks... but I'm still getting the utterly useless message:
>  
> "can't determine meridian convergence for lat-long systems"
>  
> ...when I use the coordinates in WGS84 I already got when I used lat/long 
> instead of long/lat as you suggested. 
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anton
>  
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Juli 2019 um 09:10 Uhr
> Von: "Philippe Vernant" 
> An: "List for Therion users" 
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug
> Hi Anton,
>  
> Here is what I have for the event de la coudoulière :
>  
> cs epsg:2154 #Lambert 93
> fix E6 747080.000 6301550.000 194.000 10 10 10
>  
> if you convert it to with GDAL you should have :
> cs EPSG:4326   # code WGS84
> fix E6 3.58505 43.81139 194 10 10 10 
>  
> longitude should be first.
>  
> Best,
> Phil
>  
>  
> On 27 Jul 2019, at 22:37, Anton van Rosmalen  <mailto:a.m.vanrosma...@gmx.net>> wrote:
>  
> List,
> 
> Continuing this thread because there is still a coordinate conversion bug in 
> Therion 5.4.4
> in coordinate conversion when exporting to KML
> 
> I have entered the coordinates in UTM based on a point both from an
> actual GPS and from Google Earth (they are the same) in cs epsg:2154
> (Lambert 93) or epsg:32631 (WGS84 / UTM 31N)
> 
> When I look at the output in UTM again, the entrance has shifted
> directly south for 9 meters.
> 
> I'm assuming Therion changes the coordinate to something else (more
> assumptions... WGS84?) and then changes it back again to the desired
> output format. This conversion produces the wrong results I think.
> 
> As a workaround, maybe I could enter and export in WGS84 lat/long,
> however, when I enter 
>  
> cs epsg:4326   # WGS84
> fix E6 43.811399 3.585060 194 10 10 10
>  
> I get
>  
> "can't determine meridian convergence for lat-long systems"
>  
> I can't find the format required for WGS84 lat/long in the manual, can someone
> provide this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Anton
>  
>  
> can't determine meridian convergence for lat-long systems
>  
> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Januar 2019 um 15:33 Uhr
> Von: "Martin Budaj via Therion" mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
> An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
> Cc: "Martin Budaj" mailto:m.bu...@gmail.com>>
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug
> No, we don't modify existing releases. The fix will be included in 5.4.3 
> eventually, but until then you can use the latest snapshot 
> (https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe 
> <https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe>). 
>  
> Martin
>  
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 9:32 AM Michael  <mailto:knollesim...@t-online.de>> wrote:
> Thank you, Martin, for the quick fix.
> 
> Is it also fixed in
> 
> https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-5.4.2.exe 
> <https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-5.4.2.exe>
> ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.
> 
>  
> Von: Therion mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>> 
> Im Auftrag von Martin Budaj via Therion
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2019 19:26
> An: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
> Cc: Martin Budaj mailto:m.bu...@gmail.com>>
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug
> 
>  
> Hi, it's fixed in d98a0a6.
> 
> Martin
> 
>  
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:28 PM Martin Budaj  <mailto:m.bu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:51 AM Michael  <mailto:knollesim...@t-online.de>> wrote:
> 
> I have now attached a minimal cave sample produced  with 5.4.1. and one 
> produced with 5.4.2. to demonstrate the displacement.
> 
>  
> Hi,
> 
>  
> the problem is that EPSG:31467 projection uses the "potsdam" datum and the 
> PROJ library used by Therion changed the way how to transform potsdam datum 
> to the standard WGS84 datum – it switched from a simple string parameter 
> (towgs84) to using external grid file (see 
> https://proj4.org/resource_files.html#transformation-grids 
> <https://proj4.org/resource_files.html#transformation-grids> for examples). 
> 
>  
> No grid files are currently included in the windows Therion distribution, so 
> the transformation is not correct in 5.4.2. Ther

Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug

[Philippe Vernant]

Hi Anton,

Here is what I have for the event de la coudoulière :

cs epsg:2154 #Lambert 93
fix E6 747080.000 6301550.000 194.000 10 10 10

if you convert it to with GDAL you should have :
cs EPSG:4326   # code WGS84
fix E6 3.58505 43.81139 194 10 10 10 

longitude should be first.

Best,
Phil


> On 27 Jul 2019, at 22:37, Anton van Rosmalen  wrote:
> 
> List,
> 
> Continuing this thread because there is still a coordinate conversion bug in 
> Therion 5.4.4
> in coordinate conversion when exporting to KML
> 
> I have entered the coordinates in UTM based on a point both from an
> actual GPS and from Google Earth (they are the same) in cs epsg:2154
> (Lambert 93) or epsg:32631 (WGS84 / UTM 31N)
> 
> When I look at the output in UTM again, the entrance has shifted
> directly south for 9 meters.
> 
> I'm assuming Therion changes the coordinate to something else (more
> assumptions... WGS84?) and then changes it back again to the desired
> output format. This conversion produces the wrong results I think.
> 
> As a workaround, maybe I could enter and export in WGS84 lat/long,
> however, when I enter 
>  
> cs epsg:4326   # WGS84
> fix E6 43.811399 3.585060 194 10 10 10
>  
> I get
>  
> "can't determine meridian convergence for lat-long systems"
>  
> I can't find the format required for WGS84 lat/long in the manual, can someone
> provide this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Anton
>  
>  
> can't determine meridian convergence for lat-long systems
>  
> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Januar 2019 um 15:33 Uhr
> Von: "Martin Budaj via Therion" 
> An: "List for Therion users" 
> Cc: "Martin Budaj" 
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug
> No, we don't modify existing releases. The fix will be included in 5.4.3 
> eventually, but until then you can use the latest snapshot 
> (https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe 
> ). 
>  
> Martin
>  
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 9:32 AM Michael  > wrote:
> Thank you, Martin, for the quick fix.
> 
> Is it also fixed in
> 
> https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-5.4.2.exe 
> 
> ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.
> 
>  
> Von: Therion mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>> 
> Im Auftrag von Martin Budaj via Therion
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2019 19:26
> An: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
> Cc: Martin Budaj mailto:m.bu...@gmail.com>>
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Therion 5.4.2. potential bug
> 
>  
> Hi, it's fixed in d98a0a6.
> 
> Martin
> 
>  
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:28 PM Martin Budaj  > wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:51 AM Michael  > wrote:
> 
> I have now attached a minimal cave sample produced  with 5.4.1. and one 
> produced with 5.4.2. to demonstrate the displacement.
> 
>  
> Hi,
> 
>  
> the problem is that EPSG:31467 projection uses the "potsdam" datum and the 
> PROJ library used by Therion changed the way how to transform potsdam datum 
> to the standard WGS84 datum – it switched from a simple string parameter 
> (towgs84) to using external grid file (see 
> https://proj4.org/resource_files.html#transformation-grids 
>  for examples). 
> 
>  
> No grid files are currently included in the windows Therion distribution, so 
> the transformation is not correct in 5.4.2. Therion needs to be modified to 
> include and use those files – hopefully soon.
> 
>  
> Best regards
> 
> Martin
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Re: [Therion] 2 surfaces

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

Since no one seems to have worked with 2 surfaces, here is a possibility thanks 
to Angus and his great 3D viewer: CaveView (it is easy to make it work on your 
computer without going through a web server). You can see in this example the 
DEM and a fault plane : 
http://www.pages-perso-philippe-vernant.univ-montp2.fr/Philippe_Vernant/garrel.html
 
<http://www.pages-perso-philippe-vernant.univ-montp2.fr/Philippe_Vernant/garrel.html>

Cheers,
Phil




> On 25 Nov 2018, at 22:43, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Can we have two surfaces in Therion like a DEM and a surface showing the 
> water base level?
> I have tried, but failed. So I assume it is not possible, but it would not be 
> the first time I’m wrong, and I would really be happy to be so in this case!  
> 
> Cheers,
> Phil
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[Therion] 2 surfaces

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

Can we have two surfaces in Therion like a DEM and a surface showing the water 
base level?
I have tried, but failed. So I assume it is not possible, but it would not be 
the first time I’m wrong, and I would really be happy to be so in this case!  

Cheers,
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Re: [Therion] Surface Contours

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Kevin,

You could definitely use QGIS to do that, and probably export in a format close 
the the one used by Therion. I’m using directly GDAL command lines to convert 
in a format similar to the surface file for Therion, I can dig in my files to 
find the command line. But I don’t know if you can use directly the GDAL 
command lines with windows OS.

Phil



 
> On 14 Aug 2018, at 16:32 PM, kevin dixon via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> I have randomly distributed surface points from a Post Processed Kinematic 
> GPS survey (accuracy ~10cm) and wish to calculate surface contours. The 
> reason for doing this is to have detailed data for all the shakeholes. Would 
> like to import the contours into Survex/Therion so these can be seen above 
> the cave.
> 
> Has anyone else done this and how ?
> 
> My current thinking is to use the QGIS Contour tool to generate the contours 
> and then import these into Survex/Therion as elevation strings using some 
> intermediate data format yet to be decided.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [Therion] Magnetic declination

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Martin,

Just to be sure, but I guess you already know it, you also have to enter the 
coordinate for the calculation of the declination. 

Phil


> On 02 Mar 2018, at 17:22 PM, Martin KERN via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your reply Ladislav.
> 
> I know that but the automatic declination is calculated for the first januray 
> of the year which is enter, not for the exact date.
> It's not a probleme for the accuracy of the survey ? 
> 
> Martin K. 
> 
> Le 2 mars 2018 17:05, "Ladislav Blažek"  > a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> declination should be calculated automatically based on the survey date.
> Declination parameter is for manual correction.
> 
> \LB
> 
> 2. 3. 2018 v 16:29, Martin KERN via Therion  >:
> 
>> Quick question concerning the magnetic declination.
>> 
>> How you indicate it?
>> 
>> Just by entering the date or with the command ?
>> 
>> Because when I just specify the date, the declination which is calculate is 
>> for the first January, even if I specify another month in the centreline 
>> (e.g. 28.08.2017). Consequently, centreline is slightly offset that if I 
>> enter the real declination for the date.
>> 
>> I don’t know if this shift is important for survey accuracy or if I can 
>> ignore it ?
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks and sorry for all my questions.
>> 
>> Martin K.
>> 
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Re: [Therion] grade commande

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks you guys, now it is working!

Best,
Phil

> On 23 Feb 2018, at 7:40 AM, Bruce Mutton via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Phil
> I don't do this much, but here is what I do for a low grade survey.
> I put this near the start of the low grade survey file.
>  
>   centreline
> grade BCRA3  # low accuracy
> # grade BCRA5  # high accuracy
>  
> ...
>   Endcentreline
>  
> I am not sure if the same centreline can have multiple grades if you put 
> grade statements in line with your data.
> The Therion Book description on page 19 would suggest not, as quoted below.
>  
> “sd▷ sets the standard deviation for the 
> given
> measurements. The Quantity list can contain the following keywords: length, 
> tape,
> bearing, compass, gradient, clino, counter, depth, x, y, z, position, 
> easting, dx, northing, dy, altitude, dz.
> • grade  ▷ sets standard deviations according to the survey grade 
> specification (see grade command). All previously specified standard 
> deviations or grades are
> lost. If you want to change an SD, use the sd option after this command. If 
> multiple
> grades are specified, only the last one applies. You can specify grades only 
> for position
> or only for surveys. If you want to combine them, you must use them in one 
> grade line.
> ”
>  
> There are UISv1 grade options these days, but I will let someone else who 
> knows them verify that they work…
>  
> Bruce
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Philippe 
> Vernant via Therion
> Sent: Friday, 23 February 2018 10:11 AM
> To: List for Therion users 
> Cc: Philippe Vernant 
> Subject: [Therion] grade commande
>  
> Hi guys,
>  
> Sorry to bother you with my dumbness, but I can't figure it out how to use 
> the command grade based on the manual. Let say that I have a survey with poor 
> measurements, how to I apply grade3 to this survey ?
>  
> Thanks,
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[Therion] grade commande

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

Sorry to bother you with my dumbness, but I can't figure it out how to use the 
command grade based on the manual. Let say that I have a survey with poor 
measurements, how to I apply grade3 to this survey ?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] Error while compiling on mac

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Stacho, your the man !

Xtherion and therion are working, now I have to compile VTK and loch.

Phil


> On 15 Feb 2018, at 18:10 PM, Stacho Mudrak via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Oops, a mistake. Should be fixed now.
> 
> S.
> 
> On 15 February 2018 at 18:05, Philippe Vernant via Therion  <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
> Thanks Stacho,
> 
> No more issue with thbezier, but now :
> 
> gcc -c -DIMG_API_VERSION=1 -Wall -DTHMACOSX -std=c++11 -O2 -o extern/getopt.o 
> extern/getopt.c
> error: invalid argument '-std=c++11' not allowed with 'C/ObjC'
> make: *** [extern/getopt.o] Error 1
> 
> Phil
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Re: [Therion] Error while compiling on mac

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Stacho,

No more issue with thbezier, but now :

gcc -c -DIMG_API_VERSION=1 -Wall -DTHMACOSX -std=c++11 -O2 -o
extern/getopt.o extern/getopt.c
error: invalid argument '-std=c++11' not allowed with 'C/ObjC'
make: *** [extern/getopt.o] Error 1

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[Therion] Error while compiling on mac

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

I have a problem while compiling on mac OSX Sierra, I have an error with 
thbezier.o ? Anyone had the same issue and find a way to work around ? Several 
problems are related to is NaN.

Thanks,
Phil

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Re: [Therion] 3D output file for printing

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Franck,

I exported a .dxf file, and the guy used it to convert it for printing. If you 
can get a two tone color printing that would be the best since the printer has 
to print a support for the cave parts that are not at the lowest altitude 
(usually most of it and the support is larger than the cave). The best would be 
to use a material that will be removed (there is something that can be 
dissolved I think), so you would keep only the 3D print of the cave.

Phil


> On 31 Jan 2018, at 6:38 AM, franck TUOT via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering if someone already tried to print some caves in 3D, using a 
> 3D printer. 
> Any input about how to get a .STL .OBJ .AMF or .3MF (which I know are 3D 
> format for printer). 
> If someone did a printing, any issue / success to share ?
> Like I guess any small narrow passage will be hard to print if the final 
> print put some kind of pressure on it. 
> Everything will depend of the scale obviously. 
> 
> Anyway, maybe it’s just a dream but I thought it’ll be possible to do such a 
> thing those days : )
> Have a good evening everybody, 
> 
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Re: [Therion] Displaying survey shots in map editor

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hello,

It is maybe too late, but I think that you have to configure it in Topodroid 
before you export your files for Therion.

Best,
Phil


> On 23 Oct 2017, at 0:27 AM, Thorir Jonsson via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I slowly learning how to generate maps with therion, but can't figure out 
> how to display the survey shots in the map editor. I am using distoX2 with 
> topodroid during surveys and then exporting the data to therion. Any help 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Best regards,
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Re: [Therion] Use splay shots as sketch morphing extra points

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Evaristo,

Yes you can, you can create a .xvi file by running therion with just the .th 
file of the survey. It will create a .xvi file that you can use in your .th2 
file to do a better sketch morphing.

Best,
Phil



> On 25 Sep 2017, at 21:32 PM, Evaristo Quiroga via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> In my transition from paper to paperless survey, I have do a few survey 
> recording only the data from the DistoX2 with the tablet and draw the sketch 
> in paper.  Now I am try to do a better sketch morphing using the splays data.
> 
> It is possible to use the splay shots to make extra points to do better 
> sketch morphing? 
> 
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Re: [Therion] Therion color by scrap or map

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi,

From what I understood and I’m using now, there is no way to choose the color, 
it is automatic. But I might be wrong.

Phil

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 6:17 AM, dennis mitchell via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello I've been looking for info on if we have the ability to set the color 
> of scraps or maps. Or am I limited to color map-fg (altitude, scrap, map)
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Re: [Therion] Multiple fixes for the same point

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

I will, but I’m using GPS everyday for my job, and I wouldn’t rely to much on a 
calibration of a handheld device, except if the calibration is in fact some 
kind of baseline processing on the code signal with data from a broadcasted 
nearby continuous station.

Phil



> On 12 Sep 2017, at 9:34 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Check that application features and check it in real situations. You’ll be 
> surprised, I’m sure.
> 
> m.s.
> 
>> 12. 9. 2017 v 8:28, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> The problem, is that you cannot do a calibration fo a GPS since it will 
>> depend on the satellite constellation which change all day long even if you 
>> don’t move. So calibration of a GPS is a no no!
>> If you use accurate GPS measurements, either baseline measurement, of PPP 
>> post processing (but you need a GPS slightly more expensive that the regular 
>> handheld ;-) ) you can have an accuracy of a few millimetres. So the std-dev 
>> should always be given explicitly for GPS.
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Re: [Therion] Multiple fixes for the same point

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

The problem, is that you cannot do a calibration fo a GPS since it will depend 
on the satellite constellation which change all day long even if you don’t 
move. So calibration of a GPS is a no no!
If you use accurate GPS measurements, either baseline measurement, of PPP post 
processing (but you need a GPS slightly more expensive that the regular 
handheld ;-) ) you can have an accuracy of a few millimetres. So the std-dev 
should always be given explicitly for GPS.

Phil


> On 11 Sep 2017, at 21:24 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> There is an application for Android Mobile Topographer (Pro). In Pro version 
> it is 15 EUR?
> 
> It has many very interesting features to measure and use GPS including 
> calibration on known point etc.
> 
> There is only one problem with this application. It has no automatic backup 
> of measured data. So only way around is export data to an available format 
> and save it manually. Topographer crashed on my Android tablet and I loose 
> all my GPS points. On other hand the uninstallation and new installation was 
> without any problem. Just to backup a folder with exports before.
> 
> m.s.
> 
>> 11. 9. 2017 v 20:53, Xavier Pennec via Therion :
>> 
>> One of the problem for a predefined accuracy of gps measures is that it 
>> really depends on each measurement. I usually use a stddev of 2 to 3 times 
>> the figure of merit (FOM) of the GPS averaging procedure for x and y 
>> coordinates and 4 to 5 times for the altitude. This can range from a few 
>> meters (this has  to be on a plateau with no trees) to 50/100 m for 
>> measurements in forests with a few satellites only (there are also often 
>> reflections on cliffs that perturb the measure).
>> 
>> Xavier
>> 
>> Le 11-Sep-17 à 19:10, Benedikt Hallinger via Therion a écrit :
>>> No, i meant the following:
>>> 
>>> currently one has to give std-dev explicitely:
>>> fix 1.2a  0.5 0.5 0.5
>>> 
>>> it would be nice to use instead:
>>> fix 1.2a  gps
>>> where the term "gps" is some predefined accuracy, like in grade definition
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 2017-09-11 10:08, schrieb Bruce Mutton via Therion:
 Benedikt wrote
> The option to use "alias names" for fixes instead of directly numbers 
> would be good, this would allow to ship standards with therion and allow 
> the user to to define custom ones, just like in grade definitions.
 
 Not sure I understand correctly what you mean.
 
 We can make alias now, using equate.  This is what I usually do for gps 
 fixes.
 
 In a cave survey 'index data file'...
 centreline
 cs lat long
 fix gpsEntrance01[ etc ]
 fix gpsEntrance02   
 etc
 
 equate gpsEntrance01  53@
 equate gpsEntrance02  1@
 equate gpsEntrance01  AliasNameCreatedByThisStatement
 endcentreline
 
 ie 53@, gpsEntrance01 and AliasNameCreatedByThisStatement are all 
 alias' of each other. They all refer to the same physical point. The last 
 name is created by the equate statement, whereas the others all exist 
 prior to the execution of the equate statements.
 
 Or were you meaning something different?
 
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Re: [Therion] Multiple fixes for the same point

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Andrew,

GPS coordinates should come with uncertainties. If nothing went wrong when you 
took the coordinates, they should all be within their uncertainties. They could 
all be very close from each others but still be off the exact coordinates (that 
is the difference between accuracy and repeatability). If all the coordinates 
of the entrances were taken with GPS, I would rather use these coordinates and 
their uncertainties in the processing and pick one of the three sets of 
coordinates for the surface point. This will be way more accurate that just 
trying to do some kind of covariance on the three sets of coordinates to make 
it look more accurate, but which in fact won’t really matter. If you 
coordinates where taken with handheld GPS, your cave survey for the 9 entrances 
should be more accurate than the GPS coordinates.

Phil


> On 07 Sep 2017, at 14:07 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure that this has been covered, but I cannot find it anywhere.
> 
> I have 3 different gps results for a surface point, all taken with the
> same gps but on different days, so rather then picking one I just used
> fix on all 3.
> 
> However, therion appears to be taking only the last one I enter.
> This does not seem to be the right behaviour! Is there a way for Therion
> to take all 3 and 'average' them?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
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Re: [Therion] Hello Theron community / need help for Therion install

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

 
>> These errors are connected only with compilation of Loch.
>> 
>> Have you try to finish installation by „make install“?
>> 
>> m.s.
>> 
>>> 22. 8. 2017 v 15:49, Jean-Florent Raymond via Therion >> <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Franck,
>>> 
>>> You can find the tar there :
>>> https://github.com/therion/therion/archive/v5.4.0.tar.gz 
>>> <https://github.com/therion/therion/archive/v5.4.0.tar.gz>
>>> 
>>> According to the report that you attached, the compilation did not
>>> complete because of to many errors ("fatal error: too many errors
>>> emitted, stopping now"). Maybe you will be luckier with the 5.4.0 version.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Jean-Florent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 22/08/2017 à 15:40, franck TUOT via Therion a écrit :
>>>> Yes If you still have it, I will take it ! 
>>>> I have dropbox or we can use WEtransfert or whatever is the best for you.
>>>> I guess with the tar file of the 5.4.0 version, the procedure for 
>>>> installation is pretty much the same described on the Therion website ? 
>>>> I will try anyway ! 
>>>> Thanks Philippe
>>>> 
>>>> Franck 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 22 août 2017 à 06:31, Philippe Vernant via Therion  
>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Franck,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I’m working on mac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don’t know where to find the 5.4.0, but I still have the tar fiel so I 
>>>>> can send it to you if you wish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phil
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Aug 2017, at 15:21 PM, franck TUOT via Therion  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Philippe, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the fast answer ! 
>>>>>> So yes, I tried to install the 5.4.1 which is the one I download on the 
>>>>>> website. 
>>>>>> Do you know where I can download the 5.4.0 by chance ? 
>>>>>> I guess this will solve my problem. Are you working on mac also ? 
>>>>>> Thank you ! 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Franck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le 21 août 2017 à 23:50, Philippe Vernant via Therion 
>>>>>>>  a écrit :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Franck,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Which version did you try to install ? I have 5.4.0 running, but I 
>>>>>>> could not compile the 5.4.1 (although I didn’t spent a lot of time to 
>>>>>>> try to find why it would not compile).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 22 Aug 2017, at 5:13 AM, franck TUOT via Therion 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I live in Vancouver Island, Caving there for two years now. 
>>>>>>>> We have some interesting project going on here. 
>>>>>>>> I tried to install Therion on my mac few days ago. 
>>>>>>>> It seems like the final installation doesn’t work for me. I’ve 
>>>>>>>> followed all the steps on your website (that’s great by the way).
>>>>>>>> Since I’m not a genius in computer, my competence to play in the 
>>>>>>>> terminal and write code are limited. 
>>>>>>>> I tried few option with a friend but he finally suggest me to contact 
>>>>>>>> you. 
>>>>>>>> My only problem is the last command : to launch Therion or Xtherion. 
>>>>>>>> my computer can’t find that file and I can’t find it neither in my 
>>>>>>>> therion folder.
>>>>>>>> I will join to this e-mail a copy of my terminal use during the 
>>>>>>>> installation. 
>>>>>>>> Maybe you can help me to solve it, this might be a mistake from me 
>>>>>>>> during the installation process.
>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot in advance, talk to you soon ! 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Franck 
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Re: [Therion] Hello Theron community / need help for Therion install

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Franck,

Yes I’m working on mac.

I don’t know where to find the 5.4.0, but I still have the tar fiel so I can 
send it to you if you wish.

Phil


> On 22 Aug 2017, at 15:21 PM, franck TUOT via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe, 
> 
> Thanks for the fast answer ! 
> So yes, I tried to install the 5.4.1 which is the one I download on the 
> website. 
> Do you know where I can download the 5.4.0 by chance ? 
> I guess this will solve my problem. Are you working on mac also ? 
> Thank you ! 
> 
> Franck
> 
> 
>> Le 21 août 2017 à 23:50, Philippe Vernant via Therion  a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> Hi Franck,
>> 
>> Which version did you try to install ? I have 5.4.0 running, but I could not 
>> compile the 5.4.1 (although I didn’t spent a lot of time to try to find why 
>> it would not compile).
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Aug 2017, at 5:13 AM, franck TUOT via Therion  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> I live in Vancouver Island, Caving there for two years now. 
>>> We have some interesting project going on here. 
>>> I tried to install Therion on my mac few days ago. 
>>> It seems like the final installation doesn’t work for me. I’ve followed all 
>>> the steps on your website (that’s great by the way).
>>> Since I’m not a genius in computer, my competence to play in the terminal 
>>> and write code are limited. 
>>> I tried few option with a friend but he finally suggest me to contact you. 
>>> My only problem is the last command : to launch Therion or Xtherion. my 
>>> computer can’t find that file and I can’t find it neither in my therion 
>>> folder.
>>> I will join to this e-mail a copy of my terminal use during the 
>>> installation. 
>>> Maybe you can help me to solve it, this might be a mistake from me during 
>>> the installation process.
>>> Thanks a lot in advance, talk to you soon ! 
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Hello Theron community / need help for Therion install

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Franck,

Which version did you try to install ? I have 5.4.0 running, but I could not 
compile the 5.4.1 (although I didn’t spent a lot of time to try to find why it 
would not compile).

Phil


> On 22 Aug 2017, at 5:13 AM, franck TUOT via Therion  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I live in Vancouver Island, Caving there for two years now. 
> We have some interesting project going on here. 
> I tried to install Therion on my mac few days ago. 
> It seems like the final installation doesn’t work for me. I’ve followed all 
> the steps on your website (that’s great by the way).
> Since I’m not a genius in computer, my competence to play in the terminal and 
> write code are limited. 
> I tried few option with a friend but he finally suggest me to contact you. 
> My only problem is the last command : to launch Therion or Xtherion. my 
> computer can’t find that file and I can’t find it neither in my therion 
> folder.
> I will join to this e-mail a copy of my terminal use during the installation. 
> Maybe you can help me to solve it, this might be a mistake from me during the 
> installation process.
> Thanks a lot in advance, talk to you soon ! 
> 
> Franck 
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Re: [Therion] view several caves in 3D

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Bruce,

I have exactly the same thing. I think it connects the last station of the 
(n-1)th cave to the first station of the (n)th cave.

Is it a bug of loch ? In this case, is there  anything we could do to help 
debug that ?

Phil


> On 11 Jul 2017, at 12:04 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Phil
> I was going to say no, I don't get lines.
> But on checking a few old outputs I have lying around, I find that 
> 5.4.1+88c8a06 version of Loch does give me spurious lines between some 
> entrances (not always entrances though) when importing other Loch files.
>  
> In the example below, the yellow/orange lines are the spurious lines, the red 
> lines are the bounding box, and the cyan/blue line is an artefact due to my 
> poor drawing practise.
> Bruce
>  
> 
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Philippe 
> Vernant via Therion
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2017 8:18 PM
> To: List for Therion users 
> Cc: Philippe Vernant 
> Subject: Re: [Therion] view several caves in 3D
>  
> Hi Bruce,
>  
> Thanks, indeed it is working when the same EPSG code is used. But I have a 
> strange thing occurring, loch add a line between the last cave and the 
> previous cave imported. Do you have that also ?
>  
> Thanks,
> Phil
>  
>  
>  
> > On 10 Jul 2017, at 21:37 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion  > <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes you can compile each individually, and for example a terrain model 
> > (without the caves) as well.
> > Open the firms one with Loch, then one by one Import the others.
> > Use the menu file.import...
> > 
> > I seem to recall you can drag and drop files into Loch as well, but forget 
> > if that triggers an 'open' or an 'import'.
> > 
> > Bruce
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk 
> > <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>] On Behalf Of Philippe Vernant via 
> > Therion
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2017 3:30 AM
> > To: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
> > Cc: Philippe Vernant  > <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>
> > Subject: [Therion] view several caves in 3D
> > 
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > I have several caves in the same area, and I would like to see them all in 
> > 3D. I have a .th file that have the links to all the cave.th and so I can 
> > compile to get the 3D model of all the caves, but, can I compile each cave 
> > independently and then join them all up in one 3D viewer, loch for example 
> > ? 
> > I’d like to pick the ones I want to see in 3D and not to have to recompile 
> > each time.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
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Re: [Therion] view several caves in 3D

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Bruce,

Thanks, indeed it is working when the same EPSG code is used. But I have a 
strange thing occurring, loch add a line between the last cave and the previous 
cave imported. Do you have that also ?

Thanks,
Phil



> On 10 Jul 2017, at 21:37 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes you can compile each individually, and for example a terrain model 
> (without the caves) as well.
> Open the firms one with Loch, then one by one Import the others.
> Use the menu file.import...
> 
> I seem to recall you can drag and drop files into Loch as well, but forget if 
> that triggers an 'open' or an 'import'.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Philippe 
> Vernant via Therion
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2017 3:30 AM
> To: List for Therion users 
> Cc: Philippe Vernant 
> Subject: [Therion] view several caves in 3D
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I have several caves in the same area, and I would like to see them all in 
> 3D. I have a .th file that have the links to all the cave.th and so I can 
> compile to get the 3D model of all the caves, but, can I compile each cave 
> independently and then join them all up in one 3D viewer, loch for example ? 
> I’d like to pick the ones I want to see in 3D and not to have to recompile 
> each time.
> 
> Thanks,
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[Therion] view several caves in 3D

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

I have several caves in the same area, and I would like to see them all in 3D. 
I have a .th file that have the links to all the cave.th and so I can compile 
to get the 3D model of all the caves, but, can I compile each cave 
independently and then join them all up in one 3D viewer, loch for example ? 
I’d like to pick the ones I want to see in 3D and not to have to recompile each 
time.

Thanks,
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[Therion] 3D rendering for long vertical shaft

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

I’m having a hard time to get a nice rendering of vertical shaft, for example, 
I have a 48m high shaft with one station at the top and one at the bottom, both 
have many splays. Is there a trick to do that ?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] same color for several scraps

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Martin,

That’s what I did, but this is why I would like to be able do define the color 
for a map. When you have a complicated cave with galeries that are kind of 
braided together it would be great to use the same color for one galerie, but 
defining it by a map can be tricky with the vertical position issue.

Cheers,
Phil


> On 26 Apr 2017, at 17:13 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:
> 
> That is a bit problem, because Therion is not able in any way to calculate 
> correct vertical position of scraps. It is theoretically impossible.
> 
> Correct way could be to define another map from scraps which are above and 
> other map from scraps which a below:
> 
> map all.map -projection plan
>  above.map
>  break
>  below.map
> endmap
> 
> You may define as many different maps as you need in your project and select 
> the proper one in the thconfig.
> 
> m.s.
> 
> 
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 04:07 PM, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks guys, I’m just using the automatic color set up for map as suggested 
>> by Martin.
>> 
>> Now I have another question. I have a file like that:
>> 
>> map map1 -projection plan 
>> scrap1
>> scrap2
>> scrap3
>> endmap
>> 
>> map map2 -projection plan 
>> scrap4
>> scrap5
>> scrap6
>> endmap
>> 
>> On the plot with map1 et map2 the map2 scraps that should be blow the scraps 
>> of map1 are above. Do I have to look for something wrong in my scraps, or is 
>> it that therion compute an average altitude for map1 and map2 and lay all 
>> the scraps based on this average elevation rather that the average elevation 
>> of each scraps ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Apr 2017, at 9:10 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 26. 4. 2017 v 2:08, Olly Betts via Therion :
>>>> 
>>>> Removed map colour option. It should be defined in layout, not source 
>>>> files.
>>> 
>>> But it doesn’t allow to choose color for particular map!
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] same color for several scraps

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks guys, I’m just using the automatic color set up for map as suggested by 
Martin.

Now I have another question. I have a file like that:

map map1 -projection plan 
   scrap1
   scrap2
   scrap3
endmap

map map2 -projection plan 
   scrap4
   scrap5
   scrap6
endmap

On the plot with map1 et map2 the map2 scraps that should be blow the scraps of 
map1 are above. Do I have to look for something wrong in my scraps, or is it 
that therion compute an average altitude for map1 and map2 and lay all the 
scraps based on this average elevation rather that the average elevation of 
each scraps ?

Thanks,
Phil


> On 26 Apr 2017, at 9:10 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 26. 4. 2017 v 2:08, Olly Betts via Therion :
>> 
>>   Removed map colour option. It should be defined in layout, not source 
>> files.
> 
> But it doesn’t allow to choose color for particular map!
> 
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Re: [Therion] same color for several scraps

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Markus, but still the same unknown option … maybe it is a windows only 
option ?

Best,
Phil



> On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:40 AM, Markus Boldt via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil, 
> I think, you must specify -colour map-fg [0 70 0] (for scraps and "map-bg" 
> for the "paper"). As it is done in the loop Layout - endlayout of the 
> config-file. But I`am not sure
> Regards 
> Markus
> 
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> Betreff: [Therion] same color for several scraps
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I’m trying the option [color] or [colour] to specify the same color for 
> different scraps and it is not working. I have therion 5.4.0 compiled on Mac 
> OS.
> 
> Here what I use :
> 
> map m1p -projection plan -color [0 70 0]
> 
>   baign-p1
>   baign-p2
>   pend-p1
>   gphal-p2
>   gphal-p4
>   gphal-p3
> endmap
> 
> end the error message is :
> therion: error -- maplist.th [3] -- unknown option -- -color
> 
> Any clue ?
> 
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[Therion] same color for several scraps

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

I’m trying the option [color] or [colour] to specify the same color for 
different scraps and it is not working. I have therion 5.4.0 compiled on Mac OS.

Here what I use :

 map m1p -projection plan -color [0 70 0]

   baign-p1
   baign-p2
   pend-p1
   gphal-p2
   gphal-p4
   gphal-p3
 endmap

end the error message is :
therion: error -- maplist.th [3] -- unknown option -- -color

Any clue ?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] New version of Therion 5.4.0 available

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Ladislav. I could not wait so I did it from the source this morning as 
Martin did.

Therion rocks !

Phil


> On 06 Apr 2017, at 13:19 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Compilation from source OK on my mac. 
> 
> Odesláno z iPhonu
> 
> 6. 4. 2017 v 13:15, Ladislav Blažek via Therion :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Therion recipe needs to be updated. I will test compilation and send pull 
>> request.
>> 
>> L.
>> 
>> 6. 4. 2017 v 9:37, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>>> Hi Martin,
>>> 
>>> Great news ! Will it be updated for brew on Mac or do we need to compile it 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>>> On 05 Apr 2017, at 21:22 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Github!
>>>> 
>>>> No any 1th April!
>>>> 
>>>> m.s.
>>>> 
>>>>> 5. 4. 2017 v 20:02, Olly Betts via Therion :
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 11:49:54PM +0200, Benedikt Hallinger via 
>>>>>>> Therion wrote:
>>>>>>> The source giving causing it is:
>>>>>>> fix 1.0 x y z 0 0 0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If i remove the standard-deviation zeros, cavern stops to complain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The reason was that the entrance location was measured by public service
>>>>>> against official grid by theodolite and as such is "perfectly correct".
>>>>>> How can i give this information? Am i forced to use some minimal positive
>>>>>> fraction? (eg. "0.1"?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just omit the SDs - that means it's an exact fix.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If yes, could this be an cavern bug?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's really a bug in the .svx file therion generates - it should omit
>>>>> the zero SDs even if they're explicitly specified in the .th file, since
>>>>> the documented syntax for an exact *FIX command is that you omit the SDs.
>>>>> 
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Re: [Therion] New version of Therion 5.4.0 available

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Martin,

Great news ! Will it be updated for brew on Mac or do we need to compile it ?

Thanks,
Phil

> On 05 Apr 2017, at 21:22 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> On Github!
> 
> No any 1th April!
> 
> m.s.
> 
>> 5. 4. 2017 v 20:02, Olly Betts via Therion :
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 11:49:54PM +0200, Benedikt Hallinger via Therion 
>> wrote:
>>> The source giving causing it is:
 fix 1.0 x y z 0 0 0
>>> 
>>> If i remove the standard-deviation zeros, cavern stops to complain.
>>> 
>>> The reason was that the entrance location was measured by public service
>>> against official grid by theodolite and as such is "perfectly correct".
>>> How can i give this information? Am i forced to use some minimal positive
>>> fraction? (eg. "0.1"?)
>> 
>> Just omit the SDs - that means it's an exact fix.
>> 
>>> If yes, could this be an cavern bug?
>> 
>> It's really a bug in the .svx file therion generates - it should omit
>> the zero SDs even if they're explicitly specified in the .th file, since
>> the documented syntax for an exact *FIX command is that you omit the SDs.
>> 
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Re: [Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Bruce,

Stacho solution did the trick, you have to add some extra “dimensions” so the 
3D rendering is better.

Cheers,
Phil
 


> On 17 Mar 2017, at 21:43 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Phil
> This got lost in my spam folder, hence the late response.
> Looks like Loch is not using the splay shots to all.
> 
>  
> Which is expected behaviour I think.  Loch generally guesses vertical passage 
> dimensions, unless you go to special efforts…
> Have you looked at the wiki examples page 
> <https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/examples?s%5b%5d=loch#loch_models_paperless_survey_plan_scraps_and_lrud>,
>  item on Loch Models?
> Perhaps you can offer further insights to the notes at the bottom of that 
> page?
>  
> Bruce
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk 
> <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>] On Behalf Of Philippe Vernant via Therion
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> To: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
> Cc: Philippe Vernant mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: [Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation
>  
> Hi guys,
>  
> Here is the .th and .th2 file from a survey of a large chamber. What I don’t 
> understand is why the line survey is outside below  the chamber. Any advice 
> on how to fix that ?
>  
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Re: [Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Stacho,

Thanks for the tip, this will greatly help me to improve my 3D !!!

Therion rocks !

Best,
Phil


> On 21 Feb 2017, at 14:18 PM, Stacho Mudrak via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, this is a problem of 3D generation algorithm of therion...
> 
> If a wall is relatively far away from centreline, height and dimensions 
> interpolation algorithm "averages too much". To overcome this, you need to 
> play with dimensions data for stations (putting some arbitrary large numbers 
> there - see example) or using "point dimensions -value [up down]" in 2D plan 
> somewhere near wall that needs to be affected.
> 
> But these are not nice changes. We should modify 3D generation algorithm to 
> solve these situations correctly.
> 
> S.
> 
> On 15 February 2017 at 13:23, Philippe Vernant via Therion  <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Here is the .th and .th2 file from a survey of a large chamber. What I don’t 
> understand is why the line survey is outside below  the chamber. Any advice 
> on how to fix that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 
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[Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

Here is the .th and .th2 file from a survey of a large chamber. What I don’t 
understand is why the line survey is outside below  the chamber. Any advice on 
how to fix that ?

Thanks,
Phil



test.lox
Description: Binary data


test.th
Description: Binary data


test.th2
Description: Binary data


thconfig_test
Description: Binary data
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Re: [Therion] weight on distorsion depending on survey

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Martin, will do.

Best,
Phil

> On 15 Feb 2017, at 10:23 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Check Survex documentation. The principe is the same. 
> 
> M.s. 
> 
> Odesláno z iPhonu
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> 15. 2. 2017 v 8:04, Ben Cooper via Therion :
> 
>> Hi Phil,
>> Yes, you can do that by setting the standard deviation for the survey as a 
>> whole, and then for each leg that requires it.
>> 
>> From the Therion book:
>> 
>> sd◃ sets the standard deviation for the 
>> given
>> measurements. The Quantity list can contain the following keywords: length, 
>> tape,
>> bearing, compass, gradient, clino, counter, depth, x, y, z, position, 
>> easting, dx, northing,
>> dy, altitude, dz.
>> 
>> The sd command affects all following legs, so for a single leg, remember to 
>> set the sd back to your default again, eg:-
>> sd compass 5 degrees
>> sd clino 2 degree
>> 1 2 209 10.88 -4
>> sd compass clino 0.5 degrees
>> 
>> A small difference in SD makes a big difference in the distribution of 
>> error, so suggest experiment with different values.
>> Best regards,
>> Ben
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Philippe 
>> Vernant via Therion
>> Sent: 14 February 2017 23:34
>> To: List for Therion users
>> Cc: Philippe Vernant
>> Subject: [Therion] weight on distorsion depending on survey
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Could not find the answer, so popping up to ask you the question. Is there a 
>> way to say that one survey should bear most on the distorsion ? I have a 
>> diving survey which is less accurate than the “regular” surveys, can I put 
>> some weight on that survey so it will be more distorted ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
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[Therion] weight on distorsion depending on survey

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

Could not find the answer, so popping up to ask you the question. Is there a 
way to say that one survey should bear most on the distorsion ? I have a diving 
survey which is less accurate than the “regular” surveys, can I put some weight 
on that survey so it will be more distorted ?

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] survey of survey

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Xavier, this is exactly what I did.

Phil



> On 21 Dec 2016, at 15:46 PM, Xavier Pennec via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> To complement Martin's question, the reference you use for your survey point 
> in your scrap (1.8@toto_old.toto) is only valid if the toto-1p.th2 file 
> containing the scrap is loaded outside the toto survey. By the way, I assume 
> that you have a survey environment named toto_old in toto_old.th and 
> similarly for toto_new. My personal preference would be to load the scraps 
> within in the "toto" environment and to reference the station using  -name 
> 1.8@toto_old.
> 
> Xavier
> 
> Le 21-Dec-16 à 15:43, Martin Sluka via Therion a écrit :
>> Therion strictly uses „name spaces“.
>> 
>> Where is command input toto-1p.th2?
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>>> 21. 12. 2016 v 13:40, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sorry for bothering you every day, today's question is :
>>> I have a toto.th file :
>>> 
>>> survey toto -title “Toto"
>>>  input toto_old.th
>>>  input toto_new.th
>>> 
>>>   centerline
>>> equate  1.15@toto_old  1.3@toto_new
>>>   endcenterline
>>> 
>>> endsurvey
>>> 
>>> Since I’m merging an old survey with a new one, I have stations from both 
>>> surveys that are in the same scrap, in the toto-1p.th2 file I use:
>>> 
>>> point 1271.69 1802.81 station -name 1.8@toto_old.toto
>>> 
>>> But when I compile I have the following error :
>>> 
>>> therion: error — toto-1p.th2 [10] -- survey does not exist -- toto_old.toto 
>>> -- station does not exist -- 1.8@toto_old.toto
>>> 
>>> What the heck am I missing ?
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] survey of survey

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

input toto-1p.th2 is either in  toto_old.th or toto_new.th but it give the same 
error message.

Thanks,
Phil


> On 21 Dec 2016, at 15:43 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Therion strictly uses „name spaces“.
> 
> Where is command input toto-1p.th2?
> 
> Martin
> 
>> 21. 12. 2016 v 13:40, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Sorry for bothering you every day, today's question is :
>> I have a toto.th file :
>> 
>> survey toto -title “Toto"
>> input toto_old.th
>> input toto_new.th
>> 
>>  centerline 
>>equate  1.15@toto_old  1.3@toto_new
>>  endcenterline
>> 
>> endsurvey
>> 
>> Since I’m merging an old survey with a new one, I have stations from both 
>> surveys that are in the same scrap, in the toto-1p.th2 file I use:
>> 
>> point 1271.69 1802.81 station -name 1.8@toto_old.toto
>> 
>> But when I compile I have the following error :
>> 
>> therion: error — toto-1p.th2 [10] -- survey does not exist -- toto_old.toto 
>> -- station does not exist -- 1.8@toto_old.toto
>> 
>> What the heck am I missing ?
>> 
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[Therion] survey of survey

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi, 

Sorry for bothering you every day, today's question is :
I have a toto.th file :

survey toto -title “Toto"
  input toto_old.th
  input toto_new.th

   centerline 
 equate  1.15@toto_old  1.3@toto_new
   endcenterline

endsurvey

Since I’m merging an old survey with a new one, I have stations from both 
surveys that are in the same scrap, in the toto-1p.th2 file I use:

point 1271.69 1802.81 station -name 1.8@toto_old.toto

But when I compile I have the following error :

therion: error — toto-1p.th2 [10] -- survey does not exist -- toto_old.toto -- 
station does not exist -- 1.8@toto_old.toto

What the heck am I missing ?

Phil
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Pavel,

I did work it out by extracting the coordinates from the .plt file, converting 
them from feet to meters and then computing the length, azimuth and distance 
between the 2 stations of the surveys that I needed to link.

Thanks,
Phil

> On 21 Dec 2016, at 11:35 AM, Pavel Herich via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I don´t know, if I have understood well what are you looking for, but for me 
> the easiest way how to get xyz coordinates of some points in relative 
> polygonal net (compass, clino, tape) is to set them as entrance in centerline 
> (could be done very fast with all centerline in Excel):
> station 2 "2" entrance
> station 3 "3" entrance
> ...
> and thconfig has this part outside of layout:
> export cave-list -location on -o coordinates.html
> 
> You get html list of station names and their coordinates.
> Pavel
> 
> 
> Dňa 2016-12-20 23:09 андрей коженков via Therion napísal(a):
>> Hi Phil,
>> cSurvey can also help with remastering of paper maps.
>> Unfortunalty all documentation is in Italian but software is
>> translated to English.
>> http://csurvey.it/site/index.php/en/download
>> Andrey
>>> Вторник, 20 декабря 2016, 20:48 UTC от Philippe
>>> Vernant via Therion :
>>> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same
>>> stations …
>>> Phil
>>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion
>>>  wrote:
>>>> What is source of your old data - maps?
>>>> m.s.
>>>>> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion
>>> :
>>>>> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone
>>> has a clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the
>>> difference between the two stations, I’d be happy to have the
>>> solution.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant
>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and
>>> I’d like to know the coordinates of some stations. this way I
>>> could compute the length, the azimuth and the dip angle between old
>>> and new stations to merge le file together. I’m trying to export
>>> the data in compass format, I know that I could get the coordinates
>>> in this file, but I have a message :
>>>>>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
>>>>>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
>>>>>> Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

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Hi Andrey,

Thank you, I did not knew that software.

Phil

> On 20 Dec 2016, at 23:09 PM, андрей коженков via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> cSurvey can also help with remastering of paper maps.
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunalty all documentation is in Italian but software is translated to 
> English.
> http://csurvey.it/site/index.php/en/download 
> <http://csurvey.it/site/index.php/en/download> 
> 
> Andrey
> 
> 
> Вторник, 20 декабря 2016, 20:48 UTC от Philippe Vernant via Therion 
> :
> 
> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …
> 
> Phil
> 
> > On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  > <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> wrote:
> > 
> > What is source of your old data - maps?
> > 
> > m.s.
> > 
> > 
> >> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion  >> <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>:
> >> 
> >> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a 
> >> clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference 
> >> between the two stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Phil
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  >>> <mailto:phil.vern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>> 
> >>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to 
> >>> know the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the 
> >>> length, the azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to 
> >>> merge le file together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, 
> >>> I know that I could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a 
> >>> message :
> >>> 
> >>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
> >>> 
> >>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Phil
> >>> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

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Thanks Martin,

Will do.

Phil

> On 20 Dec 2016, at 23:00 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
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> 
>> 20. 12. 2016 v 21:48, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …
> 
> Check the page of Compass software - there is map to data converter. Maybe it 
> will help.
> 
> http://www.fountainware.com/compass/downloads/download.htm
> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

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Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …

Phil

> On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> What is source of your old data - maps?
> 
> m.s.
> 
> 
>> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a 
>> clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference between 
>> the two stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know 
>>> the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the 
>>> azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file 
>>> together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I 
>>> could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a message :
>>> 
>>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
>>> 
>>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a clever 
idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference between the two 
stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.

Thanks,
Phil



> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know 
> the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the 
> azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file 
> together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I 
> could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a message :
> 
> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
> 
> Any idea on how I could do that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 

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[Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know the 
coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the azimuth 
and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file together. I’m 
trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I could get the 
coordinates in this file, but I have a message :

therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"

Any idea on how I could do that ?

Thanks,
Phil

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Re: [Therion] Using old maps and profiles for 3D

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Martin, very informative.

Phil




> On 11 Dec 2016, at 21:49 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> I add four screen shots of very simple „cave“:
>  21.33.36.png> 2016-12-11 v 21.34.23.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> fake_map_heights_alt
> 
> 
> fake_map_heights_dim
> 
> 
> fake_map_heights
> 
> 
> 
> fake_map_no_heights
> 
> 
> 
> fake_no_map
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 2. 12. 2016 v 10:48, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> Thanks Martin. It  already works quite nicely with the plan, looking forward 
>> to see the next release !
>> 
>> Best.
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>>> On 02 Dec 2016, at 1:47 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a problem, that those sentences are mostly wishes of authors than 
>>> really working features.
>>> 
>>> I and many others I think are looking to next release which may work as 
>>> described.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 1. 12. 2016 v 21:58, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I’m using and old map of a cave, a GIS and a code to compute the center 
>>>> line for Therion. Then I use the old map and this center line to redraw 
>>>> the cave and have the 3D view. This is working fine, but can I use the 
>>>> profiles also to have a better 3D rendering with variation of the height 
>>>> of the cave ? I see that in the manual it is written : "3D model is 
>>>> generated from 2D maps to get a realistic 3D model without entering too 
>>>> much data”. So I guess it will be useless to try to use the profile. Am I 
>>>> right ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Using old maps and profiles for 3D

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Martin. It  already works quite nicely with the plan, looking forward to 
see the next release !

Best.
Phil


> On 02 Dec 2016, at 1:47 AM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> There is a problem, that those sentences are mostly wishes of authors than 
> really working features.
> 
> I and many others I think are looking to next release which may work as 
> described.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
>> 1. 12. 2016 v 21:58, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’m using and old map of a cave, a GIS and a code to compute the center line 
>> for Therion. Then I use the old map and this center line to redraw the cave 
>> and have the 3D view. This is working fine, but can I use the profiles also 
>> to have a better 3D rendering with variation of the height of the cave ? I 
>> see that in the manual it is written : "3D model is generated from 2D maps 
>> to get a realistic 3D model without entering too much data”. So I guess it 
>> will be useless to try to use the profile. Am I right ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
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[Therion] Using old maps and profiles for 3D

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hello,

I’m using and old map of a cave, a GIS and a code to compute the center line 
for Therion. Then I use the old map and this center line to redraw the cave and 
have the 3D view. This is working fine, but can I use the profiles also to have 
a better 3D rendering with variation of the height of the cave ? I see that in 
the manual it is written : "3D model is generated from 2D maps to get a 
realistic 3D model without entering too much data”. So I guess it will be 
useless to try to use the profile. Am I right ?

Thanks,
Phil

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[Therion] Therion on Mac El Capitan

[Philippe Vernant]

Hello Therion users,

I found the issue with the segmentation fault, it was my mistake. I have 
several cave directories inside a cave system main directory. In the .th file 
on the main directory I was sourcing for the DEM, but I was also sourcing for 
the same DEM in one .th file of a cave. Removing the source to the DEM in the 
cave file solved the issue. Funny thing is that is was not doing a segmentation 
fault on windows, but did on mac.

Cheers,
Phil



> On 30 May 2016, at 9:47 AM, Philippe Vernant  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Martin,
> 
> I read that fucking manual ! The trouble was coming from a double 
> installation of Tex (one with macport that had been installed as a dependency 
> for another program, and the other with mactex). Now I have fixed that issue, 
> but I get a segmentation fault.
> 
> For a thconfig running under windows, on mac I have :
> 
> writing ./Output/garrel.lox ...Segmentation fault: 11
> 
> The map a properly generated, but not the lox file.
> 
> And if I try to run the commande : 
> 
> therion --print-symbols
> 
> I get :
> 
> 354 output files written: data.1 .. data.4012
> Transcript written on data.log.
> converting scraps* ... done
> Segmentation fault: 11
> 
> I have the same error messages with the home brew installation, or if I 
> compile therion myself (had to slightly modify makeinstall.tcl to make it 
> work).
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2016, at 8:55 AM, Martin Sluka > <mailto:martinsluka at mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> ### Output character encodings ###
>> # encoding-default  ASCII
>> # encoding-sql  ASCII
>> 
>> ### Default regional settings ###
>> # language  en_UK
>> # units metric
>> 
>> ### Prefered loop closure method
>> # loop-closure survex
>> 
>> ### Paths to called executable files ###
>> # mpost-path  "mpost"
>> # mpost-options  "-tex=etex"
>> # pdftex-path  "pdfetex"
>> # cavern-path  "cavern"
>> # convert-path  "convert"
>> # identify-path  "identify"
>> 
>> ### Search paths for source and configuration files ###
>> # source-path  ""
>> 
>> ### Tex initialization ###
>> # tex-env off
>> # tex-fonts  
>> # tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10
>> # tex-fonts xl2 csr10 csti10 csbx10 csss10 csssi10
>> 
>> ### PDF fonts initialization
>> # otf2pfb off
>> # pdf-fonts 
>> 
>> ### Path to temporary directory ###
>> # tmp-path  ""
>> 
>> ### User defined coordinate system ###
>> # cs-def   [other options]
>> 
>> ### Command to remove temporary directory ###
>> # tmp-remove  ""
>> 
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[Therion] Therion on Mac El Capitan

[Philippe Vernant]

Thanks Martin,

I read that fucking manual ! The trouble was coming from a double installation 
of Tex (one with macport that had been installed as a dependency for another 
program, and the other with mactex). Now I have fixed that issue, but I get a 
segmentation fault.

For a thconfig running under windows, on mac I have :

writing ./Output/garrel.lox ...Segmentation fault: 11

The map a properly generated, but not the lox file.

And if I try to run the commande : 

therion --print-symbols

I get :

354 output files written: data.1 .. data.4012
Transcript written on data.log.
converting scraps* ... done
Segmentation fault: 11

I have the same error messages with the home brew installation, or if I compile 
therion myself (had to slightly modify makeinstall.tcl to make it work).

Phil


> On 30 May 2016, at 8:55 AM, Martin Sluka  wrote:
> 
> ### Output character encodings ###
> # encoding-default  ASCII
> # encoding-sql  ASCII
> 
> ### Default regional settings ###
> # language  en_UK
> # units metric
> 
> ### Prefered loop closure method
> # loop-closure survex
> 
> ### Paths to called executable files ###
> # mpost-path  "mpost"
> # mpost-options  "-tex=etex"
> # pdftex-path  "pdfetex"
> # cavern-path  "cavern"
> # convert-path  "convert"
> # identify-path  "identify"
> 
> ### Search paths for source and configuration files ###
> # source-path  ""
> 
> ### Tex initialization ###
> # tex-env off
> # tex-fonts  
> # tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10
> # tex-fonts xl2 csr10 csti10 csbx10 csss10 csssi10
> 
> ### PDF fonts initialization
> # otf2pfb off
> # pdf-fonts 
> 
> ### Path to temporary directory ###
> # tmp-path  ""
> 
> ### User defined coordinate system ###
> # cs-def   [other options]
> 
> ### Command to remove temporary directory ###
> # tmp-remove  ""
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