[tw] [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Hi all,
How to look for the elements that are present in two or more diferent list
fields? My use case is the following:
I'm struggling to find a way to list the teaching resources available for a
given course and a given level. For instance, my student Sara is learning
french at level A2:
title: Sara
tags: student
course: french
level: A2
And resources' tiddlers are like that:
title: SomeTitle
tags: resource
courses: french spanish italian
levels: A1 A2
title: AnotherTitle
tags: resource
courses: french english
levels: B1
Now I want the list of the teaching resources for her, but the following
and similar filters doesn't work:
$list filter=[[french]listed[courses]] +[[A2]listed[levels]]/
I know I can do that (it actually works):
\define myMacro() $list filter=
[tag[resource]field:courses/$(course)$/field:level/$(level)$/] /
$set name=course value={{!!course}}
$set name=level value={{!!level}}
myMacro
/$set
/$set
But It is just a workaround for a more general problem: how to use better
the lists fields?
Best regards,
Alberto
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!
Dear All, I this reminds me of a thread a while ago - I call it the NASA thread [1].One of the contributors to the thread is Neil Olonoff. I asked him a question - he was doing a phd in knowledge management at the time and had chosen TW to gather his knowledge - interesting context. All groups have similar problems: how to share knowledge. Here in TiddlyLand we have a great tool in development acting as a beautiful muse for deep questions like this. This is cut and pasted from my gmail, I can't find the web URL: From a knowledge management specialist angle, what can the TW community do to facilitate the flow of knowledge in such a way that diverts it from the negative long-term effects by stymying deeper understanding and perpetuating reliance on a small group of established experts? [...] From a Knowledge Management (KM) perspective the TiddlyWiki group and its related groups TiddlyDev etc, constitute a quasi professional community of practice (COP). Professional COPs share a common vocabulary and shared repertoires, or routinized activities. By participating in this group, the members participate in a creative space for communication. A Japanese KM theorist named Ikujiru Nonaka calls this a ba, which is a concept that comes out of Japanese and Buddhist philosophy. It's something like space, although English doesn't have an equivalent word. Dr. Dave Snowden uses a Welsh term -- Cynefin -- which has the added dimension of geographical space (sort of like neighborhood) In order to enhance this space for communication it might be useful for the members to learn more about one another, in order to strengthen relationships and increase the bandwidth or richness of the communication. Learning about other people's day jobs and their interests definitely can help. This points to a qualitative change in the group's posts, that may not be of interest, however. But really, that's the essence of becoming a knowledge community. All groups have a micro-culture. Others have observed that this is a generous and giving culture. Changing the communications might change the culture. The communication bandwidth has been narrow, focused on TW. Widening the bandwidth carries both risks and opportunities, and only you can decide if it's something you might want to pursue. Part of the risk is this: Possibly what has kept this community so civil is the narrowness of its focus. It's hard to get personal when you're talking about plugins and uploads. But start talking about personal matters and the conversation can easily go in unexpected directions. This is what happens in so many other communities. Alex [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/mXaXqvcbxFA%5B26-50-false%5D On 20 November 2014 22:52, Richard Smith richardwilliamsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mat, Thanks for coming back with humour and good grace. I've not been involved in the hangouts before now, fearing also to make a fool of myself live on air :) Perhaps now would be a good time to start (though the time difference to Australia probably means I'll need a lot of coffee to participate). I hope that in the future, we non-developers will be able to find more practical ways to help Jeremy out and support the development of TiddlyWiki by addressing these and other issues. The point you make about plugins being 'trustworthy' and that some people might consider installing one akin to installing a dubious phone-app is an interesting one. Perhaps one of the things that we can emphasise to people is a way of working with TiddlyWikis in general - ie; creating many backups and alternative versions, trying things out in a dummy wiki and then bringing them across to your production wiki, different procedures for automatically backing up tiddlers etc. I don't pretend to understand half of what TW can do myself, but the things I can already do with it would be of use to many, many people and I share your excitement about getting the word out and building a strong community. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Maybe I'm just exceptionally dense but making the code
div class=TOC
$list filter=[all[current]match:textregex-feature-header]
{{!!title}}/$list
/div
gives me
!!!title !!!other title
Some times small details drives us crazy. Try adding some carriage returns
so the text is wikified:
div class=TOC
$list filter=[all[current]match:textregex-feature-header]
{{!!title}}
/$list
/div
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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Sorry, I mean add them before
div class=TOC
$list filter=[all[current]match:textregex-feature-header]
{{!!title}}
/$list
/div
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters
Thanks a lot Jed, I turned your excellent overview into an example wiki... http://pv5.tiddlyspot.com ...also referenced here: http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease tag colors
Thanks a lot, Daniel... I answered at github, but basically those magic numbers are how you get a luminance value from an RGB colour. Interesting isn't it, green is the major contributor to perceived brightness.. The contrast formula is here: http://www.w3.org/TR/AERT#color-contrast So, as I said on GitHub https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/0bb8e08edca61f415aa084327b6751c278e45108#commitcomment-8667809, the algorithm appears to be fine. It's just that the current tag default for tw5 produces a now less satisfying effect, afaic. Also, come to think of it, I'd really like to be able to use any text color I want https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/0bb8e08edca61f415aa084327b6751c278e45108#commitcomment-8669993, or be able to override the algorithmic one, rather than have that reduced to either the global foreground or background color. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Maybe I do not understand correctly, but for me it seems it correct? I get SomeTitle listed and to my understanding that's right as she is level A2, learning french. NotherTitle is level B2 so not applicable. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Hi Stephan, Maybe I do not understand correctly, but for me it seems it correct? I get SomeTitle listed and to my understanding that's right as she is level A2, learning french. NotherTitle is level B2 so not applicable. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. The first resource example do apply (SomeTitle) but not the second one (AnotherTitle) because I'm looking for a list filter that includes tiddlers like the first and excludes tiddlers like the second by looking into their courses field AND levels field. Alberto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
While his filter indeed works, trying... $list filter=[[english]listed[courses]] +[[A1]listed[levels]]/ doesn't seem to as it still gives *SomeTitle* as a result. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Hi Alberto, \define myMacro() $list filter= [tag[resource]field:courses/$(course)$/field:level/$(level)$/] / Can you please dissect this filter for me, especially the part after [tag[resource]? Why the forward slashes in... /$(course)$/ ?!? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Hi Alberto, \define myMacro() $list filter= [tag[resource]field:courses/$(course)$/field:level/$(level)$/] / Sorry, but using the field operator doesn't make sense to me at all, unless you somehow changed the field values of your resources to only ever list a single language or level. Not? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Hi Danielo, Some times small details drives us crazy. Try adding some carriage returns so the text is wikified... Huh? o.O That shouldn't be the case though, should it?!? I smell bug-meat. Let's gobble that down! ^_^ Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease tag colors
On Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12:21 AM UTC+1, Daniel Baird wrote: I answered at github, but basically those magic numbers are how you get a luminance value from an RGB colour. Interesting isn't it, green is the major contributor to perceived brightness.. The contrast formula is here: http://www.w3.org/TR/AERT#color-contrast The reason, why it is that way can be seen here: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/lightandcolor/humanvisionintro.html Search for green and see the including and following paragraphs :) -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:10:07 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote: Why the forward slashes in... /$(course)$/ ?!? probably just a naming convention to use prefix / removeprefix / addprefix filtering. eg: $:/tags/Stylesheet or my/abc/xxx -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Isn't that the old regexp syntax that has been removed in 5.0.17? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] TiddlyWiki Hangout #70 on Tuesday 25th November at 4pm GMT
TiddlyWiki Hangout #70 will be on Tuesday 25th November at 4pm GMT. Details here: https://plus.google.com/events/cfusv41bqto7jcc7l40oft30lv8 You can post questions for the hangout using the QA button on the video preview on the page above. You'll then need to click the grid icon at the top right, and then choose the QA button. We plan to focus on the issues that are holding back the success of TiddlyWiki, as discussed in this recent thread: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Does this work?
$list filter=[regexp:courses{Sara!!course}regexp:levels{Sara!!level}]/
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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Does this work?
$list filter=[regexp:courses{Sara!!course}regexp:levels{Sara!!level}]/
Or would you like to avoid the regexp thing? I'm not sure this is possible
for this use-case (I know of nothing for ANDing filters when the sources
on which they apply are different).
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[tw] [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
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[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
I know of nothing for ANDing filters when the sources on which they apply are different). Does Alberto not want to use the *listed* or some other filter operator on the same sources, e.g. tiddlers tagged *resource*? Or what else would you mean? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
+1 Whatever boosts your productivity and focus, Jeremy. Definitely advisable slow down a little from time to time and do some housekeeping before the next round. If there are any new feature requests, they'll end up on the pile anyways. Perhaps there's a way to display a sticky above the github issues. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] CycleTags button in TW5?
Hi
I believe the widget syntax might be more intuitive using the action widget
type syntax -- I haven't yet experimented to see what can be done with the
new $action-setfield widget.
The filter syntax didn't come from the documentation -- I cribbed it from
someone else's example:
filter=[list[lists!!days]after{!!current}][list[lists!!days]first[]]+[first[]]
-- I agree; would be nice if this was easier to understand! I suppose a
widget that cycles through a space separated list might do the trick.
regards
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Tobias
My pain point being that understanding and leveraging all this
high-level syntax correctly appears to require unveiling a lot more
concealed, under-the hood knowledge than a trivial js-script used to.
Yes, except that the concealed, under-the-hood knowledge is just poor
documentation.
Perhaps missing from the developer docs http://tiddlywiki.com/dev, what
are the standards / recommendations for extending the system-tiddler
namespace when it comes to plugin modules / components? Is the
recommendation to simply put it all under
*$:/plugins/githubuser/pluginname/*?
Yes, that's the best practice. It isn't enforced as a restriction because
there are some situations where a plugin needs to define a shadow tiddler
outside its namespace. For example, the core plugin defines
GettingStarted, $:/ControlPanel etc. as shadow tiddlers. Other plugins
may want to provide defaults (eg visibility of toolbar buttons that they
include).
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
That did it. Thanks. Now let me see where I can go with it. This sensitivity to carriage returns seems to be something we acquired when we moved from TWC to TW5. I wouldn't call it a feature but it does appear to be an intrinsic part of the design. As such, it is probably not a bug but an ongoing inconvenience. Thanks again, Danielo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
My thoughts: I thought the criticism was more than an bit unfair. It's for other members of the community to contribute to efforts according to their will and skills. To me it signalled a requirement for the wider community of non-coders to organise itself a bit more. I think there are people who would give time to organising things and these people could focus on that freeing up those who code to get on with coding. The new features are what makes the project exciting - documentation is IMHO pretty good. The reality is that for any of us who are on the journey into TiddlyWiki is that some of the concept are difficult to grasp: its not that the documentation is not there - its just hard stuff that reqires thinking about. I think it's important not to be over influenced by one critic. It's the only recent case of a complaint - i was very surprised. best wishes Alex On 21 November 2014 12:54, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Whatever boosts your productivity and focus, Jeremy. Definitely advisable slow down a little from time to time and do some housekeeping before the next round. If there are any new feature requests, they'll end up on the pile anyways. Perhaps there's a way to display a sticky above the github issues. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
On Friday, November 21, 2014 1:27:26 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. OK. +1 ... as long as also every other non programming and programming community member contributes to the documentation improvement. There is a lot of work, which can be done. eg: - New Translations with a stand alone translators/index.html TW (upcoming 5.1.5), that can be used to create translations, without any developer voodoo - existing languages are: English, German, Danish, Greek, French, Italian, Japanese, Russian, Chinese (traditional and simplified) - improvements / feedback is also possible for the existing translations. - With 5.1.5. it will be possible to export tiddlers in different formats. - So it's possible to edit content with TW. - export it - and send it to a developer (if jeremy is ok with this workflow) - The format that works best for contributors and developers has yet to be specified. - For those who have a github account or are able and willing to create one: - see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Improving%20TiddlyWiki%20Documentation ... it isn't that hard to use it. - you can't destroy something, so just play with it, get up to speed and contribute. - At the time of writing the TiddlyWiki project at github https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 has 910 Stars. - That's ok, but it could be much much better. #1 has 31.700+ - The number of Stars and Forks at github are an indicator, how prominent an open source project is. - *So everyone who has a github account ... click the damned button!!!* - If you don't want to use github to contribute but push the project a little bit, create an account and *click the damned button and carefully need the next 2 points :) !!!* - For those who can't afford the time but some money there is the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual IndieGoGo project https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual from Eric. - For those who can afford the time and some money there is the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual IndieGoGo project https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual from Eric :) So there is no excuse, not helping us! Just my 3 cents. have fun! mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
Comments: 1. Don't be too hard on yourself about choices made. All of the possibilities - documentation, new features, bug fixes, helping people who are stuck on a use case problem - all of it is worthwhile. And while you are so productive as to seem omnipresent at times, you are still one finite being and can't do it all. 2. There was a book I saw in Barnes and Nobles earlier this year, I think it may have been called The One Thing, or something similar. But the author's point was that we should focus our efforts on the one thing that will make everything else either easier or unnecessary. I think a clear roadmap for new users, and everyone, on where to find this (e.g. Plugin list mechanism) and how to use that (documentation and examples) is something that could save you and others time and energy later, because you won't have to spend as much time explaining things, you can just paste a link to the instructions. 3. I am glad Eric is doing his book series, and I have already donated because it will be really valuable. And while I am currently too busy to do much writing for you - my work responsibilities grew dramatically starting in September - I did manage to sneak in some documentation yesterday. Hopefully that was helpful, though it probably needs some cleaning up. And hopefully here and there I can help you out some more, either with documentation or at least reviewing what there is and writing up suggestions of areas where documentation is needed or needs to be clearer. And others have done some how tos that may also help you see what is needed. Anyway, my point is that you are not alone. I second the others in giving a +1 to your plan to put the brakes on new features and do some consolidating and explaining of what is already there, but I also second those who say it should fall primarily on us, the TiddlyWiki community. 4. You may think about a two level plugin list: the top part would list the plugins that are officially sanctioned and compatible with the latest release. The bottom part could be a growing list of webpages where individuals have stored there plugins and goodies they have created for TW but that may or may not continue to be compatible. 5. Don't feel too bad about TiddlyWiki looking like voodoo. It is a highly customizable tool with limitless functional possibilities that positively screams at the user, Create something totally new with me! Combine my filter operators and features in a new way!. I doubt the documentation will ever be sufficient to explain every possible use case. I have played around with it quite a bit, and I still scratch my head at things like text references and action-this or action-that. Remember that TiddlyWiki classic was also like voodoo. The learning curve was high, which is why I created TW for the rest of us and TiddlyVault. 6. For me, a really, really long list of examples of filters and widgets would go a long way in helping us learn the unique language(s) of TiddlyWiki. Seriously, these are languages for which there is no full grammar textbook and the number of native speakers are limited. Even when I know what I want to do and get the general idea of what a widget or list filter is for, I have trouble writing [tag[tags]tagged[!is]!all[sort]] so that it works like I see it in my imagination. For TiddlyWiki classic I constantly returned to Abego Extensions because it had a long list of possible forEachFilter examples. Seeing and comparing the examples was how I learned to use it. But with TW5 there still aren't enough examples out there, so I have to fiddle and fiddle and finally get on the Google group and just ask. So a long list of representative examples would go a long way toward reducing our frustration and yours. Hope these comments are encouraging and helpful. Blessings to you and to everyone working on these issues. Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
One other thing...there is a lot of helpful stuff on the hangouts, and Mario has done an awesome job of writing annotations for them. But still, there area almost 70 of them now, most of them two hours long. One possible help for TiddlyWiki users might be a *topical index of the Hangouts*. Not every single item in every hangout, mind you, but where Jeremy shows and explains a feature in a Hangout, or someone shows and explains their plugin, the index could give a link to the time at which that discussion starts. Just a thought. Examples JSXGraph Widget - [[link|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7PNlUB5TA#]] Tabbed TOC - [[link|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOSyUXAtoA#]] (not actually sure if I got the links correctly, but you get the idea) Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
@Kimmel, Glad you get it working. Let us know if you end up with something pretty and useful. To @Tobías and @Stephen, take in account that TW can render text in inline mode and in block mode. There are tags that should be rendered in block mode in order to work. The headers are that kind of tags. On tiddlywiki the mode is determined by several factors, one of them is line breaks. Sadly line breaks are non visible. Please don't claim so high because this, there are many other languages where non visible characters are very important. Phyton is one of them and is one of the most popular languages. Regards. El viernes, 21 de noviembre de 2014 14:20:42 UTC+1, Stephen Kimmel escribió: That did it. Thanks. Now let me see where I can go with it. This sensitivity to carriage returns seems to be something we acquired when we moved from TWC to TW5. I wouldn't call it a feature but it does appear to be an intrinsic part of the design. As such, it is probably not a bug but an ongoing inconvenience. Thanks again, Danielo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
@Jeremy, Could you set the sticky flag for this post for some time? -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
great points Dave and Mario Alex On 21 November 2014 14:32, David Gifford dgiff...@crcna.org wrote: One other thing...there is a lot of helpful stuff on the hangouts, and Mario has done an awesome job of writing annotations for them. But still, there area almost 70 of them now, most of them two hours long. One possible help for TiddlyWiki users might be a *topical index of the Hangouts*. Not every single item in every hangout, mind you, but where Jeremy shows and explains a feature in a Hangout, or someone shows and explains their plugin, the index could give a link to the time at which that discussion starts. Just a thought. Examples JSXGraph Widget - [[link|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7PNlUB5TA#]] Tabbed TOC - [[link|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOSyUXAtoA#]] (not actually sure if I got the links correctly, but you get the idea) Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Using a Macro (TableOfContentMacro)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W_336OVgc0k/VG9bozQr1SI/U3k/oz06gjEgkNQ/s1600/TOC4.jpeg Hi c pa and David. Thanks to both of you : I made it. I just have these uggly yellowish tags on display... I consider this Solved Thanks again. NB : TW is the most addictive thing. I love it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
+1 In the heat of battle a good general knows when it time to resurvey the situation. I believe that Tiddlywiki5's development has been going at an accelerated pace ever since it came out of beta. As for myself, I'd the time is right to take a deep breath and stand back a bit. Best regards to all, Julio On Friday, November 21, 2014 7:27:26 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
+1 On Friday, November 21, 2014 4:55:26 PM UTC+1, Julio Peña wrote: +1 In the heat of battle a good general knows when it time to resurvey the situation. I believe that Tiddlywiki5's development has been going at an accelerated pace ever since it came out of beta. As for myself, I'd the time is right to take a deep breath and stand back a bit. Best regards to all, Julio On Friday, November 21, 2014 7:27:26 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
The listed filter is more complex The *listed* filter operator returns the titles of the tiddlers that have list fields that contain any members of the current list. The optional operand can be used to specify a different field.. So: - you select a list of tiddlers, which are what you are searching in the list fields. Here: french and A2 - you use the listed operator - optionnaly, you specify in operand the name of the list fields where you search the tiddlers of the current list. Here: courses for french and levels for A2. You can see that the courses and levels operands (2 different fields) do not apply to the same selected list of tiddlers (2 lists of 1 tiddler: french and A2), that's why I said that the sources are different. And you can't append the two parts as you would do to AND two operators (AND is for 2 operators that applies to the same selected list of tiddlers, eg tag[aTag]has[aField]). You can't change the selected list of tiddlers between two operators without separating the two parts, and that results in an OR which is not what we want. The + allows to append operators to several selected lists of tiddlers (which is equivalent to an OR), but it is the same operator added to each list of tiddlers. It's a sort of factorization of an operator. If there is only one list of tiddlers, it is the same as an AND. It's not what we want. In fact, we want a sort a least commun multiple in two filter results. I may be wrong, but I fear this can't be currently solved without regexp (which allows to search for a string in the value of a field). Sorry if my explanation is not clear, I'm not fluent enough in English to clearly explain what is already difficult to think in French :-S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Glad you get it working. Let us know if you end up with something pretty
and useful.
I don't know how pretty the results are or if anyone but me will find this
useful but here is what I ended up with.
As Danielo suggested: I added $:/core/modules/filters/match.js from
http://eucaly-tw5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Feucaly%2Fmatchfilter%2Freadme
... Eucaly's site has a number of interesting plugins and examples that
make it well worth lingering.
The main tiddler, which I named My ToC contains this code, which is some
minor modification of the code Danielo suggested:
\define regex-feature-header() (^!+.*)(?gmi)
div class=box
h2uTable of Contents/u/h2
div class=TOC
ul style=list-style-type:square
$list filter=[all[current]match:textregex-feature-header]
li
{{!!title}}
/li
/$list
/ul
/div
/div
I also have a file called $:/_tw5.com-styles which is tagged with
$:/tags/Stylesheet and $:/tags/stylesheet so I use it in both newer and
older versions of Tiddlywiki. That contains the following
box { display:inline-block; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border-radius: 10px;
padding:0.1em 1em; background-color:#ececec; }
.TOC H1 {font-size:100%; font-weight: bold; line-height: 80%;}
.TOC H2 {font-size:100%; text-indent: 15px; line-height: 80%; }
.TOC h3 {font-size:100%; text-indent: 30px; line-height: 80%; }
.TOC h4 {font-size:100%; text-indent: 45px; line-height: 80%; }
.TOC h5 {font-size:100%; text-indent: 60px; line-height: 80%; }
.TOC h6 {font-size:100%; text-indent: 75px; line-height: 80%; }
I chose the font-size to force the wikified '!' headers into a constant
size. Text-indent pushes the subheaders out to the right depending on their
level while the line-height reduces the double spacing a bit.
I transclude the tiddler with: $transclude tiddler=My ToC mode=block/
The table of contents will appear wherever you put the $transclude line and
ends up looking something like this:
*Table of Contents*
- How I created my In Tiddler Table of Contents:
- Main Subject
- First Subheader
- title - Level 3
- other title - Level 3
- A title four levels
- Fifth Level
- Back to third
- Here's another header - Level 2
in a grey box with rounded corners.
Obviously this could use improvement and I'm certain some of our clever
folks could code it much more tightly. Still, it accomplishes what I
wanted.
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[tw] [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Hi folks, after almost a month of intensive coding the code is online and the plugins are bundled. The demo url is now: http://wkpr.de/hosting/tmp/tw5/taskgraph/ (demo updates on every commit; the demo is also found on github) I am sorry to tell you that no real documentation exists at the moment (and no screenshots). Any help is appreciated. Please have a look at the *roadmap tiddler* to get an idea of what tw-taskgraph is capable of (especially 0.5.0 brings many improvements). I also try to make a video of 0.5.0 You can also go to github and checkout the code (for example have a look at adapter.js which is used as layer between taskgraph and tw; or taskgraph_graph.js which is the widget used to draw and manage the graph). Some issues that I could not solve yet: https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-taskgraph/issues/1 https://github.com/felixhayashi/tw-vis/issues/2 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1109 Have fun! Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Before commenting more further, does the edit controls on the task graph works? I tried I'm trying on my mobile and they did not work. Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Nice! The important thing is that it works for you. Anyway looks great and sire it looks greater on your wiki. Thanks for sharing it back. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed
Hello Sylvain Nardin, Your customization is very cool and I would love to include it in my plugin. In fact I had plans to do it, but when a plugin is so advanced I got lazy regarding fine tuning. There is a github repository. Maybe better if you comment there. Or even better, make a pull request -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
I feel it should be expected. I am surprised you haven't decided to take at least a month off and celebrate TW5 leaving the nest :) It allows the smoke to clear, noobs like me to catch up on basic concepts and features. I am sure plugin development will continue to move forward within our community here but you already do so much for us! Honestly for me it will be nice to work with a non moving target for a while. Will 1.1.5 and the export feature make release before the moratorium begins? On Friday, November 21, 2014 5:27:26 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Hi Danielo, yes they do. At least on a desktop. I never tried on a mobile device yet. The graphs in the tiddlers are not editable. you need to switch to the editor. Fellix Am Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:19:53 UTC+1 schrieb Danielo Rodríguez: Before commenting more further, does the edit controls on the task graph works? I tried I'm trying on my mobile and they did not work. Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
I didn't like the recent post that provoked the review - it seemed very ungrateful to me. I use tiddlywiki every day and it has revolutionised my study and I'm just thankful for whatever improvements I can pick up along the way. As far as I'm concerned it's a work in progress and people should accept that and focus on the benefits rather than any current drawbacks. Just my two-penneth worth. Jon On Friday, 21 November 2014 12:27:26 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
I do agree Jon but at the same time if I understand what transpired it was meant as constructive criticism and upon reflection Jeremy feels it is in the best interest of the project to slow new feature development down a bit and refocus his efforts. As a new comer I have to admit I am drowning in the flexibility and the number of features already available much less keeping up with all of the new features being added. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jon fiveri...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't like the recent post that provoked the review - it seemed very ungrateful to me. I use tiddlywiki every day and it has revolutionised my study and I'm just thankful for whatever improvements I can pick up along the way. As far as I'm concerned it's a work in progress and people should accept that and focus on the benefits rather than any current drawbacks. Just my two-penneth worth. Jon On Friday, 21 November 2014 12:27:26 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/73ctphmY84k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Hi Danielo, yes they do. At least on a desktop. I never tried on a mobile device yet. The graphs in the tiddlers are not editable. you need to switch to the editor. Ok I checked it now. On smartphnes there is a problem with the page resize mechanism I am using. The editor does not resize properly on smartphones. I will fix that at some point. Until then, please try the demo on a desktop as smartphones are not supported at the moment. :D Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: How to better structure the content in TW5?
Has there been any development on this? I too would like to have a table of contents at the top of a tiddler to reflect the headings inside the tiddler. Making multiple sub-tiddlers would work, but isn't always what I want to do. Creating multiple sub-tiddlers takes a lot more time than creating headings, and is not really what I want for quick note-taking. On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:31:31 AM UTC-8, Marcel Kaczala wrote: Thank you for yours help, I understood the topic of tags and list field but I was looking for an easy and simple method for structure the content. Something simple like in Dokuwiki as it takes the headings and build the TOC. Em quarta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2014 08h07min25s UTC-2, PMario escreveu: On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:13:26 PM UTC+1, Marcel Kaczala wrote: 2) To create a tag like a title for the topic and goes creating small tiddlers for the tag? With the time it'll be there tons of tags... Too many visible system tags, was one of TWclassic's biggest problems. ... There are two kinds of tags. - tags that should be visible for the end user - tags that are needed to get structure into the TW app For the tw5 system tiddlers Jeremy used kind of a namespace for tiddler names. eg: $:/core/images http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fimages%2Fclose-button .. is used for buttons $:/core/modules/ http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Fparsers%2Fwikiparser%2Frules%2Fhtml.js .. is used for plugins and so on. You can see them in the right sidebar More: System and More: Shadow So it would be possible to *create a tag* named: main/story for eg the main storyline main/story is used to tag chapter tags. So a basic structure may look like this: chapter/Intro .. is tagged main/story chapter/part-1 .. is tagged main/story chapter/part-2 .. is tagged main/story ... all the above are just tag tiddlers Now ... the visible content content tiddler topic-a .. is tagged chapter/Intro content tiddler topic-b .. is tagged chapter/Intro As you found out, there are a lot of tag tiddlers that may confuse the user. That's why it is possible to hide some tags from lists. ... just by prefixing them with a$:/which defines them as system tiddlers So your tag main/story can be $:/main/story . If you test this name, you'll find out, that this tag is somewhere in the middle of an allready long list of system tiddlers. So I'd suggest to start user - system - tiddlers with an underline _ So your system tag $:/main/story can be $:/_main/story It will be on the top of the list :) see: right sidebar: More: System So the whole structure would be like this $:/_main/story $:/_chapter/Intro $:/_chapter/part-1 $:/_chapter/part-2 topic-a is tagged $:/_chapter/Intro topic-b is tagged $:/_chapter/Intro topic-c is tagged $:/_chapter/part-1 topic-d is tagged $:/_chapter/part-1 and so on. The only tiddlers, that are visible are topic-a, -b, -c ... Since the new :list .. widget is much more powerfull than list filter.. from TWc you can do some amazing stuff now. See Stephans tw5magic page. TW5 tag tiddlers have a list field. This list field can be used to define the list order. So it is possible to have user defined lists. There is no UI at the moment but it is planned to have some drag and drop type UI to define a story order. With the described system it is possible to combine a lot of small tiddlers into a big tiddler see: http://tiddlywiki.com/static/ReleaseHistory If you have a loot at http://tiddlywiki.com search for ReleaseHistory and view the code. or visit: the http://tiddlywiki.com/static/Docs tiddler and view the source at: http://tiddlywiki.com .. search for Docs hope that helps have fun! mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Nice! The important thing is that it works for you. Anyway looks great and sure it looks greater on your wiki. Thanks for sharing it back. Curiosity has me ask if that's anywhere to be seen. ^_^ Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: How to better structure the content in TW5?
Hello Caleb Take a look at this : https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/tiddlywiki/6zBxrj4nV34 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Renaming tags (search and replace)
Slick. Thanks.
On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:50:41 AM UTC-5, Alberto Molina wrote:
I have just created a tiddler that allows me to search and replace the
name of my tags. It works with two steps:
1. It shows the tiddlers with the old to-be-replaced tags. With a
checkbox, I can give them the new tags.
2. It shows the tiddlers with the old AND new tags. With a checkbox, I
can remove the old tags.
I guess it could be done with a single step, but I'm not a programmer so I
don't know how to do that. (I've tried and failed!)
The title of the tiddler is RenameTags.
The old name is written in a field called: search.
The new name is written in a field called: replaceby.
This is the content of the tiddler:
|!Search tag: | {{!!search}} |
|!Replace by: | {{!!replaceby}} |
---
!First step
!!//Apply the new tag to the following tiddlers//
$list filter=
[!has[draft.of]tag{!!search}!tag{!!replaceby}sort[created]]
$checkbox tag={{RenameTags!!replaceby}}$link to={{!!title}}$view
field=title//$link/$checkbox
/$list
!Second step
!!//Remove the old tag from the following tiddlers//
$list filter=[!has[draft.of]tag{!!search}tag{!!replaceby}sort[created]]
$checkbox tag={{RenameTags!!search}} ~~$link to={{!!title}}$view
field=title//$link~~/$checkbox
/$list
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Hello Felix. On mobile again ,so sorry for short answer. Could you consider to not use a field called id ? Is too generic. I'm working on a plugin and I could be tempted to use id as a tiddler field also. Of course I will not, but many other developers could do the opposite decision. Regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Using a Macro (TableOfContentMacro)
I just have these uggly yellowish tags on display... You can open the TagManager on the Right sidebar: More: Tags and change the tag colour if you want. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Renaming tags (search and replace)
Hi Alberto, I've uploaded my new TW5 to tiddlyspot: http://tesis.tiddlyspot.com/ so others can see and get ideas from it. Did you develop the flavor yourself? ...let alone gather and read all the actual contents on top? I love your wiki, it's quite interesting in all regards, TiddlyWiki or otherwise. It's quite hilarious how an empty reference is displayed with lorem ipsum. ^_^ Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Hi Danielo! I KNEW IT :) I expected that somebody would come and say that. So I created an option (see tw option tiddler) in which you can specify which field you want to use as id. You can also use the title as id or a field called danielo. If no value is found in that field, a random number is inserted. Hope that helps. Regards Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available
Hi Felix, Well done! ... but how can I disable the automatic centring and the notification. If I move the whole graph and then move a node the graph is centred again. So the program works against the user :/ IMO there is no notification needed for: positions stored and graph centred message. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
My +1 shouldn't surprise much. @everyone - Don't let my views distract you from doing what you love doing and your personal goals with TW. I think that in non-profit / no-pay projects the common, and necessary, denominator for anyone doing anything is enjoyment. :-) On Friday, November 21, 2014 1:27:26 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Hi Stephan, Works pretty well, I'd say. Lesson learned: Why use one list if you can nest two? ^_^ Best wishes, Tobias. On Friday, 21 November 2014 21:44:20 UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote: What about this? $list filter=[[french]listed[courses]] $list filter=[[A2]listed[levels]field:titlecurrentTiddler] /$list /$list My idea: In the outer list I get all tiddlers with french as course. In the inner list I get all tiddlers having level A2 + having the same title as the outer list gave us. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!
Thanks Alex, That's really interesting. Widening the bandwidth carries both risks and opportunities, and only you can decide if it's something you might want to pursue. Part of the risk is this: Possibly what has kept this community so civil is the narrowness of its focus. It's hard to get personal when you're talking about plugins and uploads. TiddlyWiki is such an interesting tool because we each use it for personal projects and, I think, often things which are quite important to us. It's also interesting that even though Jeremy built it, even he doesn't know everything it can do. It's like having a Swiss-army knife where someone finds a new tool every week that we didn't know we had. In terms of easing adoption for new users, one possibility would be to consider a loose notion of tiered-learning. There are a number of basic concepts needed to use TW as a personal wiki and note-store. The next tier might be use of tags, lists, macros. The next tier might be templates and interface customisation. Personally I have never really been into joining internet communities - I can find enough snarky, judgemental people in the real world if I ever want to - but I really like the TW community. It would be very interesting to know more about what people use it for. I'm using it to write textbooks for high-school kids, how about you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] [tw5] commenting your wikitext macros?
Hi all.
It's amazing how much you can do with widgets and macros in tw5. Some of my
macros have become quite complex and difficult to read. For example, one of
my citation macros is:
\define cite(citekeys:)
($list filter=$citekeys$ +[sort[]] +[each[authors]] +[first[]]
citeauths$list filter=$citekeys$ +[authors{!!authors}] +[sort[]], $link
tiddler=currentTiddler{{!!year}}/$link/$list/$list$list
filter=$citekeys$
+[sort[]] +[each[authors]] +[rest[]]; citeauths$list filter=$citekeys$
+[authors{!!authors}] +[sort[]] , $link tiddler=currentTiddler{{!!year
}}/$link/$list/$list)
\end
What's best practice for inserting comments? Or is that antitthetical to
tw5 philosophy? Should I be constructing macros differently?
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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
+1 @PMario ... as long as also every other non programming and programming community member contributes to the documentation improvement. Hi Mario, Is there any chance we could coordinate this effort somehow? I am happy to lend my time to the project but I'm a bit unsure as to where to start. Some of the improvements I would like to make don't involve re-writing the text of individual tiddlers but re-arranging and adding tiddlers to make things clearer. For example - GettingStarted really just contains information about downloading and saving on different platforms whereas I think this could be moved to a tiddler called Downloading and Saving and getting started could be a much less imposing list. 1. Download TW 2. Create some content and check that you can save it 3. Explore the Basic editing features The other problem I'd like to address is how we give people more relevant results from the search box. For example, I'm a new user who's figured out basic linking and tagging and now I'd like to make some lists. If I type 'list' into the search box it doesn't help me much to find what I'm looking for. Perhaps we could have a 'docs' edition with some extra magic in it to prioritise content according to relevance. For example, we would put the ListWidget tiddler at the top of the above search results. If you have seen something specific that you think can be improved in the docs, perhaps we could work on it together? Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Inside TiddlyWiki Jump Start Challenge
Wow! This is VERY exciting! The fundraiser for Inside TidlyWiki: The Missing Manual is off to a great start: after just 5 days of a 60 day campaign, it has already been viewed by people in over 33 countries, and the TiddlyWiki Community has so far raised $1,290 (17.2% toward the goal!) This includes generous contributions of $500 each from the first two official Partners of Inside TiddlyWiki -- ocalTW and HansWobbe -- as well as contributions from several new Friends of Inside TiddlyWiki. Based on this initial indication, it looks certain that the Inside TiddlyWiki campaign is going to be a huge success, and I'm currently planning on beginning actual work on the book in January or February, 2015, once the fundraising has been completed. However, with Indiegogo's Flexible Funding model, although contributions made by credit card are held until after the campaign ends on January 15th, contributions made through PayPal are transferred to me as soon as they are processed. This means that there is a possibility that I could begin work as early as the beginning of December rather than waiting until January/February! If we can raise just $2500 (33% of the goal) in Indiegogo contributions **paid through PayPal by the end of November** (10 days from now), then I can start work on writing Inside TiddlyWiki as soon as those funds are available. So, make your contribution (via PayPal) NOW, and we can Jump Start this project into high gear! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263 -e Eric Shulman TiddlyWiki Classic Lead Developer TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium
I think that we could try making a public tiddlywiki on tiddlyspot and make a list of topics people want documentation for the most, then collect explanations and examples from people and hopefully get someone who is good at technical writing or design to collect everything into a nice tiddler we can submit for inclusion on the main page. Is there interest in a project like this? It would allow people to make small updates or suggestions for the documentation without having to do the entire tiddler by themselves. Using github isn't hard, but this may encourage more people to help out. That is if multi-user wikis are a viable solution, if not we would need someone to manage it, which may not be better than just using github the way it is now. On Friday, November 21, 2014 5:27:26 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Several recent events have conspired to make me suggest that until the end of the year I operate a moratorium on new features for TiddlyWiki5. Instead, I propose to focus on documentation, and presentation of the available editions and plugins. I will of course continue to fix bugs as they are reported wherever it's possible to do so. (In the next few weeks I will also have to pay some attention to TiddlyFox and TiddlyDesktop. In the case of TiddlyFox, imminent Firefox architectural changes will require the architecture of the add-on to be significantly updated). One trigger is obviously the recent thread discussing obstacles to TiddlyWiki's success: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg/discussion A more subtle trigger is my recent experience with implementing the export features for 5.1.5. I started work on those features on around 12 days ago, on November 9th. I committed the first working code on November 10th. Ever since then I've been tied up with fixing up the loose ends: making the strings translatable, making improvements in response to feedback. Most recently, I've been implementing nested popups so that the export button will function when it is invoked through the more menu. The initial implementation was quick and fun, but a lot of the work since has been a slow slog. In my experience that is all pretty typical for a major new UI feature: 2 days to get the basic implementation followed by 5 to 10 days of working through the edge cases and cleaning up. Of course, part of the reason it takes so long is that alongside I'm still working on bug fixes, documentation and the occasional new feature such as the tabbed table of contents. The third trigger starts with the fact that I've been busy over the last few days, and unable to participate in the mailing list threads as much as I'd like. I've still been scanning the messages, and I'm drawn to the conclusion that for many people here, some of the quite basic features of TiddlyWiki are, thanks to the lack of documentation, indistinguishable from voodoo. For example, Danielo's terrific recent post on the variable attribute of the list widget was pretty interesting: another basic feature that hasn't been well enough communicated. So, now that I stand back, I'm not at all sure that the work on the export features was the best use of my time. It's an undeniably important feature in terms of rounding out the interoperability of TiddlyWiki, but it makes little or no difference to new users. My worry is that this will keep happening. There's plenty of voices here calling for new features, and I'm naturally attracted to the intricate problem solving required to implement them. I've a deep motivation to keep smashing through the roadmap of planned features. Hence my proposal for a new feature moratorium. It's a simple way to ensure that my attention stays focussed on the really important things for the next few weeks. Some quick googling suggests that new feature moratoriums are not uncommon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+features+moratorium I'd be interested in any thoughts on this, and of course we'll discuss it further at the hangout next Tuesday, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler
Curiosity has me ask if that's anywhere to be seen. ^_^ Ask and ye shall receive: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6651245/My%20ToC.html Suggestions are welcome -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!
In terms of easing adoption for new users, one possibility would be to consider a loose notion of tiered-learning. There are a number of basic concepts needed to use TW as a personal wiki and note-store. The next tier might be use of tags, lists, macros. The next tier might be templates and interface customisation. +1 On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:11:43 AM UTC+8, Richard Smith wrote: Thanks Alex, That's really interesting. Widening the bandwidth carries both risks and opportunities, and only you can decide if it's something you might want to pursue. Part of the risk is this: Possibly what has kept this community so civil is the narrowness of its focus. It's hard to get personal when you're talking about plugins and uploads. TiddlyWiki is such an interesting tool because we each use it for personal projects and, I think, often things which are quite important to us. It's also interesting that even though Jeremy built it, even he doesn't know everything it can do. It's like having a Swiss-army knife where someone finds a new tool every week that we didn't know we had. In terms of easing adoption for new users, one possibility would be to consider a loose notion of tiered-learning. There are a number of basic concepts needed to use TW as a personal wiki and note-store. The next tier might be use of tags, lists, macros. The next tier might be templates and interface customisation. Personally I have never really been into joining internet communities - I can find enough snarky, judgemental people in the real world if I ever want to - but I really like the TW community. It would be very interesting to know more about what people use it for. I'm using it to write textbooks for high-school kids, how about you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Renaming tags (search and replace)
Hi Tobias, Yes, I did it all myself, thanks to the community here. Alberto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [tw5] commenting your wikitext macros?
As whitespace helps in commenting but whitespace is meaningfull in wikitext, I would create a seperate tiddler where I reformat and describe the text. So no inline comments in the macro. OTOH - as this is at least double effort - you could try what happens if you insert comments containing linebreaks. like !-- this is a comment --so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] FILTER: [valueA]listed[field1] AND [valueB]listed[field2] ???
Hi everybody,
Thanks for your answers!
\define myMacro() $list filter=
[tag[resource]field:courses/$(course)$/field:level/$(level)$/] /
Can you please dissect this filter for me, especially the part after
[tag[resource]?
Why the forward slashes in...
/$(course)$/
Its something I learned once from Stephan, long ago. For me, it means “look
in the field:courses to see if you find the content of the variable
$(course)$”.
Isn't that the old regexp syntax that has been removed in 5.0.17?
Indeed. I didn't know it was supposedly removed, its why I use it, and it
still works in 5.1.5-prerelease.
Does this work?
$list filter=[regexp:courses{Sara!!course}regexp:levels{Sara!!level}]/
Yes, it works if you add :
all[tiddlers]
What about this?
$list filter=[[french]listed[courses]]
$list filter=[[A2]listed[levels]field:titlecurrentTiddler]
/$list
/$list
/$list
/$list
My idea: In the outer lsit I get all tiddlers with french as course.
In the inner list I get all tiddlers having level A2 + having the same
title as the outer list gave us.
Amazing! Its exactly what I've been looking for, trying myself nested
lists, but I didn't find such a simple solution.
Thanks all of you!
Alberto
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