[tw] Re: A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Birthe C]

Hi Richard and Mat,

I also har a look on your book, and I had no spam showing experience.

I am amazed that your texbook is running so fast, with all that content. 
Your work is an example to follow. I will for sure look even more, when I 
get better time.


Birthe

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[tw] Re: A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mat,
 

> One side-question that pops up (literally) is the automatic opening of a 
> parallel tab in my browser after a while, showing spam. Could this somehow 
> be from your wiki or dropbox??? 
>

 I have no idea, I'm afraid. I don't seem to be able to replicate it. Is it 
dropbox-related spam? I obviously don't want it to do that to other people, 
so thanks for letting me know. Could you give an indication of the content 
(screenshot or view source perhaps?). 

And thanks for your kind words.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Editable fields - Qualified "data" tiddler?

[Brian Gates]

I'm trying to implement editable fields.  I hit the whole re-render issue 
so I thought instead I might use the qualified macro to have a sort of 
underlying "data" tiddler but I don't see any means of "joining" a tiddler 
back to its data via filters.

What's the best way to do this?

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[tw] Re: A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Mat]

W
...O
..W
. !

I've only taken a quick glance - but what a job you've done!!! Will look 
closer later!

...again WOW!


One side-question that pops up (literally) is the automatic opening of a 
parallel tab in my browser after a while, showing spam. Could this somehow 
be from your wiki or dropbox??? Needless to say I don't want that, but I'm 
really curious how it is achieved. Anyone else getting this? I think it 
took a minute or so before it showed up. I have my browser tabs in a tree 
structure and the TW Math book was the only thing on this level where the 
popup came up. The step above it is only this thread where it likely not 
came from. Sorry for bringing up this and I hope the fault is on my side 
somehow.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Saving my Wiki online

[Daniel Baird]

We (by which I mean, the tiddlyspot people) put a Download button into your
wiki, but sometimes different themes or whatever cover it up.  It just
links to:

http://YOUR-SITE-NAME-HERE.tiddlyspot.com/download

..so if you go to that URL, perhaps by typing the "/download" bit onto the
end of the site URL you're already looking at, you'll get a download prompt.

(It's really just a link to your wiki, but we add a header to the server's
reply to tell your browser to save it instead of opening it.)

The right-click-and-download thing works perfectly also.


Cheers
Daniel



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>
> How do I save my wiki that is on TiddlySpot and onto my own computer?
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[tw] A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Richard Smith]

Hello All,

I have just finished a first draft conversion of a Calculus Textbook to 
TW5. I thought you might like to take a look at it and I would welcome any 
feedback/input/help/suggestions you may have.

The book is an excellent text called Active Calculus, written by Professor 
Matt Boelkins of Grand Valley State University in Michigan, which is 
endorsed by the American Institute of Mathematics 
(http://aimath.org/textbooks/approved-textbooks/)

The original can be downloaded from Prof. Boelkins pages here: 
http://faculty.gvsu.edu/boelkinm/Home/Open_Calculus.html

The TW5 version is (hopefully) available from my dropbox: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/Active_Calculus_v0.1.html

The file is quite big, containing over 9,000 tiddlers including embedded 
svg figures which are rendered into textbook chapters using macros. There 
is much that is very crude about this first version and I already have an 
idea of some things that need to be improved.

I'd love to know what you think and I'd especially welcome any help or 
suggestions that the Twizards might have about how to improve layout etc.

I have some specific questions about things that I couldn't get to work 
quite the way I wanted to, which I'll ask later and I'm also happy to 
explain how I made it if anybody's interested (you'll see the editing 
controls and built in editor in the sidebar)

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] overlay macro

[BJ]

nice!
BJ
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> A little helper to toggle contents on-hover (/ touch on such devices)...
>
> http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#overlay
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[cmari]

I realized it was in the template, thanks.  But in your previous version, 
<$view field=title/> produced the title of the tab and now it doesn't.  
In case it's helpful to anyone else, after experimenting, I found that I 
could use <> instead of <$view field-title/> in the first line 
of 
$:/.tb/templates/tab/xlist/topic
so that instead of:

All [[Publications]] on <$link to=<>><$view field=title/>...


it says: 
All [[Publications]] on <$link to=<> ><> ...

cmari

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:30:38 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:
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> Hi cmari,
>  
>
>> What I was not clever enough to figure out, is what you had done in the 
>> edited tabs macro that allowed the "Topics" tiddler to display:
>> I liked that feature, and was hoping it would be possible to keep it 
>> without breaking tiddler info!
>>
>
> It's not a feature of the *xlist* macro,
> but rather how the *tabs* macro works.
>
> You simply need to define templates
> like those referenced in this example:
>
> Tabs Of Index Tiddlers @ xlist 
> 
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[HansWobbe]

Hi Tobias,

I'll try to craft a meaningful subset and make it available through 
tiddlyspot.  I've been meaning to do this for some time, but I keep getting 
interrupted and simply haven't made enough progress yet.  My existing 
commitments likely preclude doing a "show & tell" at one of the hangouts, 
but I'll give some thought to doing that in March when I'm expecting to 
have a bit more time.

Cheers,
Hans

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 1:33:16 PM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:
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> Hi Hans,
>  
>
>> taking advantage of the UTF-8 support as well
>>
>
> Would be interesting to see how you use it that way.
> I guess it's a personal wiki though. :-)
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Glitch importing lists from Classic

[Astrid Elocson]

The rationale can be found in a thread from mid-2013 here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/dLn04Z4Vl5w

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Tobias Beer]

>
> As noted by the others, also this "straight from tw.com into tiddlyspot" 
> has to be done using chrome (or at least not FF), the first time.
>

Thanks Mat, updated...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlySpot

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Glitch importing lists from Classic

[PMario]

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 9:43:54 PM UTC+1, jwd wrote:
>
> As a result I am having to edit *many* imported tiddlers. Is there a 
> reason that TW5 WikiText insists on them? (Markdown compatibility perhaps?) 
>

It's primarily the paragraph detection [1] that is responsible for 2 
newlines. Since the behaviour needs to be consistent it's the same for all 
the block elements.
 

> Is there a way that upgrading a tiddler from text/x-tiddlywiki to 
> text/vnd.tiddlywiki could add those missing blank lines? 
>

There is no import helper tool atm. 
 

> If they are required perhaps the "Lists in WikiText" help should note 
> that? Am I missing something obvious?
>

[1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#Paragraphs%20in%20WikiText

-mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Mat]

As noted by the others, also this "straight from tw.com into tiddlyspot" 
has to be done using chrome (or at least not FF), the first time.

<:-)
 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[Jim Lehmer]

Good to know. I will log another issue in my repo. :)

On 1/18/2015 1:45 PM, PMario wrote:

see:  core/modules/utlis/utils.js

exports.formatDateString = function(date,template)

-

$tw.utils.formatDateString(new Date, "-MMM")
will give you "2015-January"

-m
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[tw] Glitch importing lists from Classic

[jwd]

I finally began to upgrade from TiddlyWiki Classic (2.8.1) to TiddlyWiki 
5.1.7. I don't use many plugins and was mostly concerned with importing the 
contents of tiddlers - which has gone well so far.

I have encountered a little glitch though: I use lists - a lot. In 
TiddlyWiki 5 it seems that lists require a blank line to precede the first 
list item. In Classic I have generally not bothered with a blank line; I'll 
just start my lists like:
* first item
* second

Instead of like the following which, in Classic, results in a large gap 
between this line and the list:

* first item
* second item

As a result I am having to edit *many* imported tiddlers. Is there a reason 
that TW5 WikiText insists on them? (Markdown compatibility perhaps?) Is 
there a way that upgrading a tiddler from text/x-tiddlywiki to 
text/vnd.tiddlywiki could add those missing blank lines? If they are 
required perhaps the "Lists in WikiText" help should note that? Am I 
missing something obvious?

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[PMario]

see:  core/modules/utlis/utils.js

exports.formatDateString = function(date,template)

-

$tw.utils.formatDateString(new Date, "-MMM")
will give you "2015-January"

-m

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[PMario]

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:40:36 PM UTC+1, Jim Lehmer wrote:
>
>  
> The function just appends three *substring*s of the TW date string, plus 
> two hyphens:
>
> XML.twDateToWebDate = function(twDate) {
>   return twDate.substring(0, 4) + "-" + twDate.substring(4, 6) + "-" + 
> twDate.substring(6, 8);
> }
>
> The TW date string is still subject for discussion. So if you expect the 
format to be like this, your plugin may break in the future. 
There is a $tw.utils.formatDateString() function that can do the 
conversion. 

also see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat
 

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[Mat]

PMario wrote:
>
> I think "ad hoc" tags as Mat wants to use them are just keywords, that 
> help him find (search) for tiddlers. They can also act as an anchor for 
> additional ideas that may be important, when you have more time for 
> refactoring. 
>

You expressed it better than I could have done myself!

Astrid Elocson wrote:
>
> Adding a tag to a tiddler *means* filing the tiddler under that tag, as a 
> child to a parent, a many-to-one link. This is true even for tags that are 
> just temporary markers or spur-of-the-moment annotations. Whether a user 
> chooses to make any further use of that filing mechanism is up to them, but 
> it's inherently there in TiddlyWiki's design.
>

Of course. But from a usability point it is a fact, probably unintentional, 
that the current UI makes it tricky to use these ad-hoc tags. Using many 
tags results in a cluttered tiddler display and because we don't have typed 
tags (as discussed elsewhere) we can't organize the display of tags. This 
"forces" you to limit your tagging and you're likely to end up with the 
usually more important and permanent tags - i.e the structured ones.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Astrid Elocson]

Hi Birthe,

> Error:NS_ERROR_DOM_BAD_URI: Access to restricted URI denied.

Same here. In fact this seems to be normal – the error is mentioned at 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20on%20TiddlySpot.

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[tw] [TW5] overlay macro

[Tobias Beer]

A little helper to toggle contents on-hover (/ touch on such devices)...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#overlay

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[Birthe C]

Thank you Tobias, problem gone.


Birthe

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> That has not changed.
>>
>
> I was sure I did remove the problem
> and upload the changes.
> Somehow, I didn't.
> Try again.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias. 
>

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Hans,
 

> taking advantage of the UTF-8 support as well
>

Would be interesting to see how you use it that way.
I guess it's a personal wiki though. :-)

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[Tobias Beer]

Hi cmari,
 

> What I was not clever enough to figure out, is what you had done in the 
> edited tabs macro that allowed the "Topics" tiddler to display:
> I liked that feature, and was hoping it would be possible to keep it 
> without breaking tiddler info!
>

It's not a feature of the *xlist* macro,
but rather how the *tabs* macro works.

You simply need to define templates
like those referenced in this example:

Tabs Of Index Tiddlers @ xlist 


Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[HansWobbe]

TiddlyWiki is one of the most supportive environments for tagging that I've 
found, with the result that I've made relatively extensive use of Tags.  
For example, taking advantage of the UTF-8 support as well, its possible to 
make use of an extremely large number of distinct tags ( think in terms of 
using the majority of the defined UniCode values and it becomes possible to 
have on the order of 100,000 distinct tag values).  This lets one create a 
very "flat" namespace that significant reduces Search and Filter needs.

Of course, the use of a large number of (funny) "symbols" does make sharing 
harder, but that simply means its necessary to create different TW files 
for personal use and for sharing.

A lot of this type of thinking comes from the many predecessor efforts to 
develop Classification systems like the Dewey Decimal System, or the 
Library of Congress system, which clearly show that many people are very 
interested in what we are calling "tagging".  Furthermore, current efforts 
to develop the "Semantic Web" and the "Internet Of Things" are likely to 
result in even more people becoming involved.

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page shows just how much 
activity is taking place in the (OPEN) WikiData project.  I believe TW 
could interface to this work easily and would be able to add enough value 
to attract quite a lot of "new" (to TW) users.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Birthe C]

Hi Tobias

Using firefox I am only able to save locally using TiddlyFox. If I try to 
save to tiddlyspot from http://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html. This is what I 
get:  Error:NS_ERROR_DOM_BAD_URI: Access to restricted URI denied.
Exactly the same as uploading from a local TW. I use chrome for that and 
only that.


Birthe


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> As Mat pointed out, you have to use chrome.
>>
>
> Thanks, I guess that's only true for local files. Correct?
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo, 

Thanks for your kind words. 

I didn't have time enough to work on the plugin this week, neither to answer 
the last messages here. 

Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your 
customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to 
customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would you 
let me see your customizations when you are finished? 

Regards, 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[cmari]

Hi Tobias,
What I was not clever enough to figure out, is what you had done in the 
edited tabs macro that allowed the "Topics" tiddler to display:

All Publications  on Business 
...
(the second link having the name of, and link to, the tiddler displayed in 
the tab), rather than

All Publications  on Topics 
...
(the second link having the name of, and link to, the curent tiddler)

I liked that feature, and was hoping it would be possible to keep it 
without breaking tiddler info!
cmari

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>
> That has not changed.
>>
>
> I was sure I did remove the problem
> and upload the changes.
> Somehow, I didn't.
> Try again.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Tobias Beer]

>
> Doh! And you wrote it 2 days ago! I feel silly. 
>
I guess the lesson is to always check out tb5 first ;-)
> Anyway, all with the best of intentions.
>

Don't have to make it a lesson...
Just wanted to leave that pointer.
Btw. it's been there for a while longer. ^^

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Tobias Beer]

>
> As Mat pointed out, you have to use chrome.
>

Thanks, I guess that's only true for local files. Correct?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[Tobias Beer]

>
> That has not changed.
>

I was sure I did remove the problem
and upload the changes.
Somehow, I didn't.
Try again.

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

I just want to thank you for your plugin. It is making the process of 
creating documentation much easier and intuitive. I'm making some 
customizations to make it fit my needs. I hope you are doing well and we 
can see soon new features of your plugin. I'm particularly interested in a 
tab that shows the reference (for me tipically one or more urls) where you 
took the information from.

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[tw] Re: Ordering the table of contents

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El viernes, 16 de enero de 2015, 10:31:06 (UTC+1), Astrid Elocson escribió:
>
> Hi Danielo,
>
> Hello Astrid
 

> Add the list field to the tiddler that represents the parent level in the 
> contents.
>
> A good example is http://tiddlywiki.com/#Reference.
>

That example is confusing because the tiddler itself is the tag. In my 
case, my "table of contents" was not the tiddler tag. So, as you said, what 
you have to do is to edit the list field of the root tag. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello matt

El domingo, 18 de enero de 2015, 17:09:25 (UTC+1), Mat escribió:
>
> http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlySpot
>>
>
> Doh! And you wrote it 2 days ago! I feel silly. I gess the lesson is to 
> always check out tb5 first ;-)
>
> Anyway, all with the best of intentions.
>
>
I used to check this group from time to time, but I do not check tb5 wiki 
so often, so your post was useful for me.
Regards. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Mat]

>
> http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlySpot
>

Doh! And you wrote it 2 days ago! I feel silly. I gess the lesson is to 
always check out tb5 first ;-)

Anyway, all with the best of intentions.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Birthe C]

Hi Tobias

As Mat pointed out, you have to use chrome.


Birthe

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> Yes, it's indeed great how easy this is in TW5...
>
> http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlySpot
>
> Best wishes, Tobias. 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] how to add a left menu ?

[Nicolas A-M-B]

Thanks for your answers.

I like the social network buttons too

Le jeudi 15 janvier 2015 15:28:30 UTC+1, Birthe C a écrit :
>
> Hi Nicolas,
>
> I tried that some time ago. I just updated it and cleaned out most of my 
> danish goobledegok. http://bc.classic.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Birthe
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[Jim Lehmer]

On 1/18/2015 8:45 AM, Tobias Beer wrote:
So, what to do with tiddlers that don't have a modified date and a 
sitemap?

Is it ok for them not having any?

I guess you want to use a custom filter anyway,
if only to not index system tiddlers
...or just all tagged "blog" or whatever you use
to distinguish content from overhead.


That was precisely my case - I can't see any reason to not filter out 
system tiddlers.


I note in the sitemap spec  that 
the /lastmod /element is optional, so I will probably end up changing 
the code to only call the date formatting routine and generate that 
element if there is actually a /modified /field, just to insulate from 
this error. Will go create an issue on Github to remind myself of it now.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[Birthe C]

Hi Tobias

cmari mentioned: a problem with the tiddler info dropdown, "fields" 
information.

That has not changed.

Birthe
 
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> HI cmari,
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> I remember doing some experiments,
> and it looks like I even did it in that wiki.
>
> Deleted the broken version of the tabs macro
> All fine now. Thanks for pointing out!
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[Tobias Beer]

So, what to do with tiddlers that don't have a modified date and a sitemap?
Is it ok for them not having any?

I guess you want to use a custom filter anyway,
if only to not index system tiddlers
...or just all tagged "blog" or whatever you use
to distinguish content from overhead.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tip: Fresh TW5 on TiddlySpot - how to set it up quickly

[Tobias Beer]

Yes, it's indeed great how easy this is in TW5...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlySpot

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: Search

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alan,

I don't think I am seeing any problem.
Be sure to use the latest version from tb5, though.

Custom Search Tab Exact @ tb5 


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Conditional table rows

[Astrid Elocson]

Thanks, Tobias. That seems like an elegant solution.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Conditional table rows

[Tobias Beer]

*allows custom html element to be created by RevealWidget #1380*
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/1380

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[Jim Lehmer]

On 1/18/2015 7:40 AM, Jim Lehmer wrote:
So, if the error is happening in my code, that tells me there is a 
tiddler or tiddlers without a /modified /field. I would have always 
expected that field to get created (it seems to on any tiddlers I 
create). I wonder if some system tiddlers are built without the 
/modified /field? Does anyone else know?


And the answer is, "Yes," there are lots of system tiddlers in the node 
version (and I would expect in the standalone version) that don't have 
either /created /or /modified /fields.


When you use the plugin, are you passing it a filter to filter out 
system tiddlers?


Which then leads to needing to filter out system tiddlers (which should 
be filtered out, anyway, because they're not going to be meaningful in a 
sitemap).


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[tw] Re: [TW5] xlist — rewritten (!) and plenty more powerful now!

[Tobias Beer]

HI cmari,

Sorry for the confusion.

I remember doing some experiments,
and it looks like I even did it in that wiki.

Deleted the broken version of the tabs macro
All fine now. Thanks for pointing out!

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[Jim Lehmer]

On 1/18/2015 5:51 AM, sini-Kit wrote:
it don't work on my http://heeg.ru/heeg.html when I open sitemap 
tiddler I get a red mistake  "substring"  NULL

 version of tw is *5.1.5*


Interesting.

It looks like your site is a "live" Javascript-enabled TW, not a 
statically-generated set of pages. I didn't really have that use case in 
mind when I built the plugin, but it should still work.


The only place in my plugin that uses /substring/s is in a date 
formatting function in /sitemapentries.js/, taking TW's internal date 
format, such as:


   20141123155239707

...and converting it to the format sitemap wants:

   2014-11-23

(Sitemap doesn't care about the time portion, and Google's verifier will 
throw a warning if it is included.)


The function just appends three /substring/s of the TW date string, plus 
two hyphens:


   XML.twDateToWebDate = function(twDate) {
return twDate.substring(0, 4) + "-" + twDate.substring(4, 6) + "-" + 
twDate.substring(6, 8);
   }

So, if the error is happening in my code, that tells me there is a 
tiddler or tiddlers without a /modified /field. I would have always 
expected that field to get created (it seems to on any tiddlers I 
create). I wonder if some system tiddlers are built without the 
/modified /field? Does anyone else know?


When you use the plugin, are you passing it a filter to filter out 
system tiddlers?


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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[Mat]

PMario wrote:
>
> I think "ad hoc" tags as Mat wants to use them are just keywords, that 
> help him find (search) for tiddlers. They can also act as an anchor for 
> additional ideas that may be important, when you have more time for 
> refactoring. 
>

You expressed it better than I could have done myself!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[Astrid Elocson]

Hi Mario,

Adding a tag to a tiddler *means* filing the tiddler under that tag, as a 
child to a parent, a many-to-one link. This is true even for tags that are 
just temporary markers or spur-of-the-moment annotations. Whether a user 
chooses to make any further use of that filing mechanism is up to them, but 
it's inherently there in TiddlyWiki's design.

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[Mat]

Astrid Elocson wrote:
>
> But there's also the issue of synonyms and controlled vocabularies. The 
> user might search for *labels* or *categories*, unaware that TiddlyWiki 
> terminology uses the word *tag*.
>
> Perhaps it would be nice if the search system made it clear which of the 
> results were found as *tags*, just as it currently indicates which of the 
> results were found in *titles*. One can imagine a dedicated mechanism for 
> searching* only* the tags, perhaps as a filter at the top of the Tags tab 
> in the sidebar. Perhaps the Tags tab should be promoted to the top level of 
> the sidebar, as at http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/, where users would discover 
> it more easily.
>

[To my frustration other duties are calling today but I can't resist from 
commeting on the synonym issue as it was one reason why the project I 
hinted at above failed. Will come back regarding your other interesting 
comments later.]

Part of my problem was basically too many tags exactly because it had to 
deal with synonyms. So I did work out some ideas on the matter, basically:

You group synonyms into a more general special SynonymList tiddler, i.e a 
tiddler tagged with SynonymList and for the synonyms to tags it is titled 
e.g "TagSynonymList". All tiddlers tagged SynonymList are treated in a 
special way by the search engine: They contain a manually entered list of 
synonyms that search looks through. The idea with a manual list so you can 
figure out synonyms ahead of time, including words that are not tiddlers. 
But sych a synonym list, e.g TagSynonymList, can also have children that 
are also synonyms. The idea with this is so you can easily turn a tiddler 
into a synonym at any time. For example:

title: TagSynonymList
tag:SynonymList
text: Tag, Lable, Category

title:Keyword
tag:TagSynonymList

The search mechanism identifies all tiddlers tagged SynonymList and 
*prioritizes 
equally* the "listed terms in its text" and the children tiddlertitles. If 
searching for the term Keyword, the search mechanism must thus note that 
the tiddler Keyword is tagged with TagSynonymList which* in turn* is tagged 
SynonymList. (this was one reason why my project failed because it was, 
surprisingly, not possible to achieve with the TWC plugin ForEachTiddler 
that I relied heavily upon. However I know none other than Tobias has 
defined exactly this filter for TW5. Hoorray for Tobias!!!)

Note that terms listed in a synonym list tiddler don't have to *really* be 
synonyms. The point is to have a search produce the right results. In the 
case of the tw.com tiddler "Tagging" I would perhaps include the list: 

*Tag, Tags, Tagged, Lable, Lables, Category, Categories *

...or more elegant; *Tag*, Lable*, Categor** if the user is that 
sophisticated, which we can't expect, i.e it should be allowed to list both 
term Tag and term Tags.

...and if I came up with it at the time of writing the list, then I woudl 
also include the term *Keyword*. In the example above, it was "added via 
tagging" later instead, i.e because it was an actual tiddler. But including 
a term in the synonym list and having a real tiddler for it should of 
course not cause conflict.

Maybe there could be a synonyms field inside the tiddler Keyword then also, 
stating: *synonym:Keyword** to cover e.g *Keywording* or whatever someone 
might search for.

As usual, we'd have to define how to order the search results but I think a 
tiddler titled with a synonym (e.g search for Tags wich identifies the 
tiddler Tagging) has a status just below the actual search string but 
before e.g tiddlers tagged with the search string or merely containing it 
in text.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New plugin for generating sitemap.xml for static sites

[sini-Kit]

it don't work on my http://heeg.ru/heeg.html when I open sitemap tiddler I 
get a red mistake  "substring"  NULL
 version of tw is *5.1.5*
понедельник, 5 января 2015 г., 1:05:55 UTC+3 пользователь Jim Lehmer 
написал:
>
> I cloned off my ATOM feed plugin and created one for generating a 
> *sitemap.xml*  file. I have 
> verified the results on my web site  successfully 
> against Google Webmaster tools. You can see the resulting file here 
> .
>
> I have submitted it to Google as well as updated my *robots.txt *file to 
> point to it (I have my *robots.txt *file in my TW and it gets output as 
> part of my "generate site" command). For reference, my *robots.txt *looks 
> like this .
>
> You can see more about the plugin on GitHub 
> . It's still rough around the 
> edges, but it works for my purposes. Note that it prioritizes the home page 
> (a tiddler named Home or index, case-insensitive) and the site index (a 
> tiddler named SiteIndex, case-insensitive) above other "normal" pages.
>
> Comments welcome.
>

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[PMario]

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:53:21 AM UTC+1, Astrid Elocson wrote:
>
> > If we delegate ad hoc tags to be part of the text, we have a problem 
> when the tiddler is not really common text.
>
> I'm not fully understanding the difference between an ad hoc tag and any 
> other tag. 
>

I think "ad hoc" tags as Mat wants to use them are just keywords, that help 
him find (search) for tiddlers. They can also act as an anchor for 
additional ideas that may be important, when you have more time for 
refactoring. 

-m 

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[tw] Re: The Concept of Tags and Tagging

[Astrid Elocson]

Hi Mat,

> There will be tiddlers that are difficult to find, as exemplified by the 
tiddler Tagging  and someone curious about 
how to use tags and therefore searches "tags".

Part of the difficulty is the word-stemming issue that Mario has mentioned. 
At present, the search system looks for *exact* matches only, so a search 
for *tags* will not find *tagging*. At least the search system is 
case-insensitive :)

But there's also the issue of synonyms and controlled vocabularies. The 
user might search for *labels* or *categories*, unaware that TiddlyWiki 
terminology uses the word *tag*.

Perhaps it would be nice if the search system made it clear which of the 
results were found as *tags*, just as it currently indicates which of the 
results were found in *titles*. One can imagine a dedicated mechanism for 
searching* only* the tags, perhaps as a filter at the top of the Tags tab 
in the sidebar. Perhaps the Tags tab should be promoted to the top level of 
the sidebar, as at http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/, where users would discover 
it more easily.


> Note that this is an example of a carefully designed and tagged tiddler.

But *has* the *Tagging* tiddler been sufficiently carefully designed and 
tagged? In my opinion, it contains too much information – too many sections 
that really belong in tiddlers of their own. And I think the *Tagging* 
tiddler should be called *Tags*, as that's a more likely thing for people 
to search for. ("Tags" are concrete things; "tagging" is an action – more 
abstract and complicated-seeming.)

The *Tagging*/*Tags* tiddler currently carries the *Concepts* tag. In other 
words, it's been filed (correctly) under *Concepts*. Likewise, other 
tiddlers that discuss how to use tags should be filed under (i.e. tagged 
with) *Tags*.

Tags are such an important concept in TiddlyWiki that it's slightly 
surprising that tiddlywiki.com doesn't yet have a *Tags* tag.


> If we delegate ad hoc tags to be part of the text, we have a problem when 
the tiddler is not really common text.

I'm not fully understanding the difference between an ad hoc tag and any 
other tag. A tag X is just a way of saying "I want to file this tiddler 
under X". The neat thing about tags, of course, is that – unlike 
folder-based filing systems – you can file the same tiddler under *several* 
tags. The table of contents (TOC) can then present your filing system *as 
if* it was folder-based, and you can choose which tags participate in the 
TOC.

Perhaps an ad hoc tag is merely a tag that isn't attached to the TOC, i.e. 
a tag whose tiddler isn't tagged *TableOfContents* or whatever.

– æ

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