[tw] Re: Silent and Noisy errors

[TonyM]

Joe,

I don't doubt more debug information would be helpful but the fact such 
errors which including non existing tiddlers, macros with no output 
(because there are no results today) etc... well it is nice that the 
default is to show nothing in the wiki text. This allows non non-existence 
or Null results to simply not appear in a rendered tiddler.

In many other environments it is incumbent on the programmer to code for 
and catch every error or null case without exception. I am glad TiddlyWiki 
does not force this, however when designing and building a few more tools 
would be helpful.

However When designing I do insert content around where I expect a result 
so null output is obvious to me.

Best Wishes
Tony. 
 

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:39:49 AM UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> Another (possible) silent error
>
> This case is not so clear
>
> If I write [[xyz]] or {{xyz}} when I'm authoring a tiddler
>
> In most cases (not all) this is an error because I've misspelt xyz
>
> I'd like a mode where I got BIG error messages when refereeing to
> non-existent tiddlers
>
> /Joe
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 12 March 2018 06:23:01 UTC-7, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> I have just discovered a bug in a tiddler.
>>
>>
>> I misspelled a macro name and didn't notice it – this is actually a 
>> common error of mine. 
>>
>> In all programming languages I tend to see what I hoped to see rather 
>> than what is there. I'm pretty bad at spelling.
>>
>>
>> Mispellling a macro name is a serious error so I want the system to shout 
>> out loudly when this happens.
>>
>>
>> What happens in TW is the expansion of (say) <> causes a 
>>
>> silent error if baname does not exit. ie there is no replacement text.
>>
>>
>> I'd like the replacement text to be Missing macro badname -- fatal error 
>> in tiddler
>>
>>
>> Is this something I can easily fix
>>
>>
>> I HATE silent errors in programming languages - all programming and 
>> run-time errors should cause a 
>>
>> huge error message and execution should stop immediately. The error 
>> message is so the
>>
>> programmer can fix the error. Stopping immediately is to avoid further 
>> damage.
>>
>>
>> I given talks about the evils of silent errors. NaN 
>>  in JS for example is causes errors 
>>
>> which are terribly difficult to find.
>>
>>
>> I think any error that can be detected should result in a noisy error.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>

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Re: [tw] SelectWidget and tm-remove-tag/tm-add-tag actions

[Michael Wiktowy]

Thank you both Mark and Xavier. After I posted and scratched my head I 
realized (like you pointed out) that there were huge syntax errors in my 
code ... missing $ and @ when there should have been $ ... I think that I 
have been staring at too many @page rule websites struggling to make my 
n-up layout work. Once I corrected those typos, I could make progress and 
things worked. I thought that I had deleted my post before anyone had 
viewed it but I guess not. BTW my final working code turned out to be:

\define indirect_transclude() <$transclude tiddler="$:/temp/print_proof"/>

\define style_actions()
<$list filter="[tag[mystyle]]">
<$fieldmangler>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-remove-tag" $param="$:/tags/Stylesheet"/>



<$wikify name="indirect" text=<>>
<$set name="currentTemplate" tiddler=<> field="template_style">
<$fieldmangler tiddler=<>>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param="$:/tags/Stylesheet"/>

<$set>
\end

<$select tiddler='$:/temp/print_proof' actions=<>>
---Choose a Template---
<$list filter='[tag[template]]'>
>><$view field='title'/>



This allowed me to activate the correct stylesheet base on what was 
associated with the selected template. The crazy double transclusion is due 
to the stylesheet tiddler name is in the "template_style" field in the 
tiddler referenced in "$:/temp/print_proof", which is not a field in 
"$:/temp/print_proof" itself. I will post the resulting tool somewhere 
soon. The last puzzle to solve is the n-up layout issue that I am having 
listed in another thread if you are willing to tackle another puzzle ... I 
guarantee this one is not solved.

Thanks again,
/Mike

On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:56:38 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Xavier,
>
> I had also prepared a response for Mike, but then his post was deleted. 
> Perhaps he decided to rework his code?
>
> In case anyone is still interested, here's the code I came up with. But, 
> as you commented, the applied new tag isn't tied to any selection option, 
> so it may be of limited use.
>
> One thing that was interesting, looking at the code for the SelectWidget, 
> it appeared to me that all the widgets may have the "actions" string, and 
> the content (as shown below) doesn't have to consist of just action widgets.
>
> -- Mark
>
> \define style-actions() 
> <$list filter='[tag[HelloThere]]'>
> <$fieldmangler>
> <$action-sendmessage $message=tm-remove-tag  $param="MyTag"/>
> 
> 
>
> <$fieldmangler tiddler={{$:/temp/print_proof!!template_style}}>
> <$action-sendmessage $message='tm-add-tag' $param='$:/tags/Stylesheet'/>
> 
>
> \end
>
>
> <$select tiddler='$:/temp/print_proof' actions=<>>
> <$list filter='[tag[HelloThere]]'>
> >><$view field='title'/>
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 3:58:44 AM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike, 
>>
>> There are a few syntactic mistakes in your code (@action-sendmessage 
>> instead of $action-sendmessage, and calling style-actions while you defined 
>> style_actions). Also, the actions attribute in $select should be a text, so 
>> you should write actions="<>". 
>>
>> But the main flaw seems to be that you assume in style_actions that the 
>> currentTiddler will take the value of the selected option, which is not the 
>> case: selected options are only saved in the tiddler field that you set in 
>> the "tiddler" attribute.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Xavier.
>> P.S. Regarding your dynamic stylesheet problem, what about applying 
>> custom styles by tag? 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles%20by%20tag
>>
>> -- Xavier Cazin
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:10 PM, Michael Wiktowy  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I either have a fundamental misunderstanding about tm-* action type 
>>> action messages, fieldmangler or triggering actions with a select widget 
>>> and I'm hoping that someone can set me straight or point me to an example 
>>> of their use together because the example in the default TiddlyWiki is not 
>>> illuminating on tm-* actions and "event.param"s. My code snippet:
>>>
>>> \define indirect_transclude() <$transclude tiddler='$:/temp/print_proof' 
>>> field='template_style'/>
>>>
>>> \define style_actions()
>>>
>>> <$list filter='[tag[mystyle]]'>
>>> <$fieldmangler>
>>> <@action-sendmessage $message='tm-remove-tag' param='$:/tags/Stylesheet'
>>> />
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> <$wikify name="indirect" text=<>>
>>> <$fieldmangler tiddler=<>>
>>> <@action-sendmessage $message='tm-add-tag' param='$:/tags/Stylesheet'/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$select tiddler='$:/temp/print_proof' actions=<>>
>>> <$list filter='[tag[template]]'>
>>> >><$view field='title'/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> I am trying to make a mailing label sheet generator.
>>>
>>> I am using the selectwidget to pick between various templates and have 
>>> their tiddler title put into '$:/temp/print_proof' for a subsequent print 
>>> proof page to display them. That seems to work fine.
>>>
>>> Struggle as I have to have multiple different active @media print {} CSS 

Re: [tw] Re: Getting the input and output of a tiddler

[Joe Armstrong]

Very nice

Seeing the HTML produced by one liners explains a lot

The muddy waters are becoming clearer

/Joe

On Monday, 12 March 2018 08:15:34 UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> if you want Jed's code to display HTML instead of wikitext, you may use 
> the format attribute of the View widget:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[Widgets]]">
>
>
> !!The tiddler tiddler <$view field='title'/>
>
> has the text
>
> ---
>
> 
> <$view format="htmlwikified" mode="block"/>
> 
> ---
>
> which is is rendered as
>
> ---
>
> <$transclude mode=block/>
>
> ---
>
> Or perform all transclusions first in a tiddler, then view the result as 
> html, using the View widget.
>
> Xavier.
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Jed Carty  > wrote:
>
>> Dumping it into a file would take something else (although you can export 
>> tiddlers in various formats so that may help), but to get the raw text you 
>> can use the text widget like this probably overly complex example:
>>
>>
>> <$list filter="[tag[testcase]]">
>>
>>
>> !!The tiddler tiddler <$view field='title'/>
>>
>> has the text
>>
>> ---
>>
>> 
>> <$text text={{!!text}}/>
>> 
>>
>> ---
>>
>> which is is rendered as
>>
>> ---
>>
>> <$transclude mode=block/>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> 
>>
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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

[Ste Wilson]

Here we are.. Luatex
https://www.overleaf.com/blog/571-an-introduction-to-luatex-part-1-what-is-it-and-what-makes-it-so-different

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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

[Ste Wilson]

Overleaf.com had an article last month (month before..) about latex without 
latex using... Something...maybe python.. I'll admit it went over my head by 
could be worth a look. 

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[tw] Re: Right Justify Sidebar like in The TiddlyWiki ... Wiki

[Ed]

Dear Sean,

Click "Open Control Panel" icon.
Click "Appearances"
Click "Team Tweaks"
Find "Sidebar lay-out"
Click "Fixed Story, fluid sidebar"
Choose "Fluid story, fixed sidebar"
Is this what you are looking for?
Salut! Ed.



Op maandag 12 maart 2018 22:21:10 UTC+1 schreef Sean Bergstedt:
>
> Anyone know how to move the side bar completely to the right like in:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> ?  I would greatly appreciate the help.  I'm pretty new to TW5
>

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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

[Joe Armstrong]

Markdown solves the problem "make the input easy"

The problem(s) I want to solve are "make the output beautiful" 
and "make the output programmatically" when this makes sence

TW seems a pretty good compromise at these - For beautiful output
I'd have to turn TW in LaTeX of something - but I'll cross one
bridge at a time.

Cheers

/Joe


On Monday, 12 March 2018 11:57:39 UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> One consequence of Markdown and other markups is its kinda, inadvertently, 
> supporting an incorrect idea about writing and the nature of most 
> documents. 
>
> The point is that most of them *assume that we need to ADD EXPLICIT 
> MARKUP in order to render texts correctly*. The underlying idea is that 
> "all documents are equally unstructured" so need markup help.
>
> That is COMPLETELY INCORRECT. 
>
> Most documents folk write are within a TYPE that is already structured 
> according to conventions. Parsers, given the correct document TYPE, can 
> usually render a document correctly WITHOUT explicit markup. Markup ONLY 
> being needed to force compliance when a section of text breaks the standard 
> layout of the type. 
>
> A very good example of this is screenplays. Their plain text typed layout 
> already mostly determines how (IMPLICITLY) they should be "marked up" for 
> render. The Fountain Syntax  for marking up 
> screenplays is perhaps the best public example of a brilliant "Minimalist 
> Markup"--mostly you need to add nothing explicit because the work is done 
> simply by analysing the layout of the document.
>
> Other examples would be most novels, much poetry and sophisticated legal 
> documents.
>
> These kinds of cases we should be able to support directly in TW quite 
> easily, I think.
>
> Thoughts
> Josiah 
>

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[tw] Re: Right Justify Sidebar like in The TiddlyWiki ... Wiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I don't understand. Where is your sidebar now?

On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 2:21:10 PM UTC-7, Sean Bergstedt wrote:
>
> Anyone know how to move the side bar completely to the right like in:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> ?  I would greatly appreciate the help.  I'm pretty new to TW5
>

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[tw] How about a Bookmarks section on TiddlyWiki.com ?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The complaint has been made frequently that good stuff posted in this forum 
gets lost. There is already a community reference section for projects 
outside tiddlywiki.com.

How about we have a Bookmark section consisting primarily of a succinct 
title, a brief description, and a link to interesting threads in this 
forum? Ok, it could be to other discussions too, such as on reddit.

Hopefully submissions would be approved faster since anything controversial 
could be hashed out on the forum itself. People that wanted to make 
enhancements to the ideas expressed could come to the forum. Submitting a 
bookmark would be much easier than submitting an entire document and 
wouldn't require any external software (ok, technically you don't need 
external software already, but it sure is a lot easier when you're trying 
to work with more than a few paragraphs of material).

Thanks for reading,
-- Mark

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[tw] Re: Getting the input and output of a tiddler

[Joe Armstrong]

Brilliant

Thanks

/Joe


On Monday, 12 March 2018 08:03:24 UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Dumping it into a file would take something else (although you can export 
> tiddlers in various formats so that may help), but to get the raw text you 
> can use the text widget like this probably overly complex example:
>
>
> <$list filter="[tag[testcase]]">
>
>
> !!The tiddler tiddler <$view field='title'/>
>
> has the text
>
> ---
>
> 
> <$text text={{!!text}}/>
> 
>
> ---
>
> which is is rendered as
>
> ---
>
> <$transclude mode=block/>
>
> ---
>
> 
>
>

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[tw] Right Justify Sidebar like in The TiddlyWiki ... Wiki

[Sean Bergstedt]

Anyone know how to move the side bar completely to the right like in:

https://tiddlywiki.com/

?  I would greatly appreciate the help.  I'm pretty new to TW5

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

>
> BTC: Is there a way to store audio in tiddlers being able to play it 
> inside tw? I think that's the first question
>

Right. I don't know the answer.

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[tw] Re: How Do I Create a Template Form?

[D X]

Wow. That C Pa post is super helpful for what I'm trying to do. I didn't 
know about the edit macros. Thank you!

On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:47:58 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here's a great discussion and explainer by C Pa on templates and setting 
> your own data structures:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/QUXd3kG1pTQ/RnYdTqLmAwAJ
>
> Also, look for tiddler "Creating a simple Contacts DB" by Stephan Hradek 
>  at 
> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ . A lot of people have used this as a 
> starting for their own projects. Note that the code is a bit out of date, 
> and he uses his own "new tiddler" macro which is no longer necessary.
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 6:58:40 PM UTC-7, D X wrote:
>>
>> I'm new to TW. I love the lightweight flexibility, but can't figure out 
>> from the provided documentation and examples how to create multi-part forms.
>>
>> Here's an example of what I'd like to be able to do (this is not 
>> specifically what I want to do, but a simplified example): create an "Issue 
>> Tracking Template". I want to create a new Tiddler that has multiple 
>> sections like the following:
>>
>> Section 1: Short Answer: When the issue occurred; name of the person who 
>> encountered the issue; location code where the issue occurred. This part 
>> seems like it could work with transclusion + fields.
>>
>> Section 2, 3, etc.: Long Answer: I want headers or boldfaced sections 
>> like "Issue Description:", "Issue Resolution:", "Comments/Follow-Up:", etc. 
>>
>> The problems with the Long Answer sections are: 
>>
>> A. How can I have the headers for these sections automatically imported / 
>> templated into a new "Issue Page" when I create it so that I'm reminded to 
>> fill them out?
>>
>> B. I don't want to enter / edit long paragraph sections using fields, so 
>> these seem like smaller tiddlers pulled in via tags? If so, how do you 
>> multi-transclude the text of tiddlers? If there were a way to 
>> multi-transclude (like  or , except I want the body text 
>> imported also), then how do I have the headers / prompts show up while I'm 
>> editing the target page (the new issue) so I can see the headers / prompts 
>> and interlace my response text with them?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

[BurningTreeC]

> Uncle wasn't available, the AA were .. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVO-0aE7tw
>
> This is interesting, though perhaps not relevant as its just a keyboard, 
> not a pianola: http://www.keithwhor.com/music/   
> https://github.com/keithwhor/audiosynth
>

>
> I'll try find uncle.
>

Thanks @TiddlyTweeter, the audiosynth demo helped remember how such a 
thingy looks like and the singing kid convinced me that AA are THE best


The problem is to get the audio from a tiddler into a 

[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Uncle wasn't available, the AA were .. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVO-0aE7tw

This is interesting, though perhaps not relevant as its just a keyboard, 
not a pianola: http://www.keithwhor.com/music/   
https://github.com/keithwhor/audiosynth

I'll try find uncle.

J.

BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking for a way to save the audio in a wiki and have an autoplay 
> that uses an audio tiddler as source
>
> Maybe you know someone who has an uncle who knows who to ask?
>
> BTC
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[tw] n-up layout

[Michael Wiktowy]

Hi all,

I made an n-up type layout tiddlywiki for printing out badge cards, mailing 
labels, etc. using contacts stored in tiddlers. If the @page rule in CSS 
worked, it would be absolutely "trivial" to do this type of layout. Just a 
{{{filter||template}}} while 
your template can be a bunch of display:inline-block divs and things would 
properly paginate.

However, I have found out that the @page rule that is intended to handle 
print page margins in this scenario is wildly inconsistently implemented 
among different browsers. Latest Firefox can be persuaded to cooperate put 
Chrome wants to always apply manually defined margins. Which can be made to 
work but you need to know what to manually set things to each time and that 
changes template to template.

To get around this, I would like to have the user set the print margins 
manually to "none" and handle the margins via div tags. However, I cannot 
figure out if it is possible for tiddlywiki to iterate through a filter in 
n-sized chunks until there are no filter items left. You can seemingly do 
so up to some predefined finite limit just by calling 
[tag[contact]first] and then using a bunch of restlimit to keep 
displaying m chunks of n templates grouped in a div with proper margins. 
But you would need to know how many contacts to design for in planning your 
proof sheet as there doesn't seem to be a way to use [tag[contact]count[]] 
to loop through things count[]/n times.

Is there some way of using filter operators in this manner where you don't 
need to know how many contacts in advance?

/Mike

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Re: [tw] KaTeX fractions look awful when tiddler opened in new window

[David Rodriguez]

yes, the prerelease seems to work fine!  thanks.  can I get the prerelease?

On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:01:17 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> Hi David
>
> Thanks, I think this is actually fixed but not yet released. Please could 
> you try with the latest prerelease?
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 12 Mar 2018, at 16:19, David Rodriguez  
> wrote:
>
> Mac OS 10.12.6 (Sierra)
>
> I see the problem on both Safari and Chrome.
>
> My version of Katex is below:
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
>
>> Hi David
>>
>> Looking at a fraction from the demo for the KaTeX plugin:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Now, open that tiddler in a new window (I do so to print):
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The fraction lines are all displaced.
>>
>> What browser and operating system are you using? I've been unable to 
>> duplicate the problem with Chrome or Safari on macOS.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> Any way to fix this? Thanks.
>>
>>
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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Its easy to forget that TiddlyWiki is NOT WikiPedia, it is NOT Github and 
it is NOT Reddit.

Rules of text layout for server based systems with SPECIFIC purposes make 
sense. All the big-name sites that use markup need ONE system. Its part of 
their function to have a consistent look and feel.

Not TiddlyWiki. 

Whilst for its documentation and basic release its sensible to have one 
markup system, there is no need to be a slave to any specific markup 
methodology after that :-).

Just thoughts
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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

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One consequence of Markdown and other markups is its kinda, inadvertently, 
supporting an incorrect idea about writing and the nature of most 
documents. 

The point is that most of them *assume that we need to ADD EXPLICIT MARKUP 
in order to render texts correctly*. The underlying idea is that "all 
documents are equally unstructured" so need markup help.

That is COMPLETELY INCORRECT. 

Most documents folk write are within a TYPE that is already structured 
according to conventions. Parsers, given the correct document TYPE, can 
usually render a document correctly WITHOUT explicit markup. Markup ONLY 
being needed to force compliance when a section of text breaks the standard 
layout of the type. 

A very good example of this is screenplays. Their plain text typed layout 
already mostly determines how (IMPLICITLY) they should be "marked up" for 
render. The Fountain Syntax  for marking up 
screenplays is perhaps the best public example of a brilliant "Minimalist 
Markup"--mostly you need to add nothing explicit because the work is done 
simply by analysing the layout of the document.

Other examples would be most novels, much poetry and sophisticated legal 
documents.

These kinds of cases we should be able to support directly in TW quite 
easily, I think.

Thoughts
Josiah 

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Re: [tw] KaTeX fractions look awful when tiddler opened in new window

[David Rodriguez]

The prerelease version works fine.  I've successfully upgrade ad it has 
fixed my problem.  Thanks for your help!

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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

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> Joe Armstrong wrote: Tiddlers contain far more than markup. There's wiki 
> text with an embedded programming language and an implicit environment ...
>

Absolutely.

Part of the issue with discussing "Markup" is being clear what is what. 
Whilst stuff like the syntax for transclusions is another level than simple 
text substitution for html/css, in reality, for users it is empirically at 
the SAME level--its all about typing stuff into text that does stuff on 
render.

But much of the confusion/complication on conversion of different "Markup" 
systems stem from this--that at USER level there is one system of entry, 
but at programmatic level there can be several different things that are 
not so easy to "translate". 

The originally stricter meanings of (narrow) "markup" & (programmatic) 
"syntax" have blurred. 

Josiah

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

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> BurningTreeC wrote:
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>> What can NOT be done with the formulas plugin?
>>
>  
> I don't think it can yet interface with a Teas-Maid ...
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Looks doable! 

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

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BurningTreeC wrote:
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> What can NOT be done with the formulas plugin?
>
 
I don't think it can yet interface with a Teas-Maid ...

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Re: [tw] KaTeX fractions look awful when tiddler opened in new window

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi David

Thanks, I think this is actually fixed but not yet released. Please could you 
try with the latest prerelease?

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/ 


Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 12 Mar 2018, at 16:19, David Rodriguez  wrote:
> 
> Mac OS 10.12.6 (Sierra)
> 
> I see the problem on both Safari and Chrome.
> 
> My version of Katex is below:
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
> Hi David
>> Looking at a fraction from the demo for the KaTeX plugin:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Now, open that tiddler in a new window (I do so to print):
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> The fraction lines are all displaced.
>> 
> 
> What browser and operating system are you using? I've been unable to 
> duplicate the problem with Chrome or Safari on macOS.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
>> 
>> Any way to fix this? Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

[@TiddlyTweeter]

As far as publicly documented wiki markup systems go TW is not much on the 
map.

It is NOT in the Babelmark Registry 
.

Nobody is bending to create convertors to it.

But TW's basic architecture is, in fact, VERY flexible. 

In truth, its got an AGNOSTIC PARSER SYSTEM that could convert most 
anything to anything. This is unlike most other wiki systems which are far 
less modular or flexible.

IMO, we are under-selling TiddlyWiki's potential for variant markup.

In theory it would be possible to support many more markup systems than it 
currently does. And without major changes to its architecture. 

Josiah

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[tw] iframe height

[Rustem]

Why is iframe height set to 600px in $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base, and 
why if I try to set it to auto in my stylesheet, it becomes 150px high?

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

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I am also looking for a way to prevent the browser's right-click dropdown 
from showing up when long-pressing with a finger

maybe there's an uncle for that problem, too?

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

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@TiddlyTweeter 

What can NOT be done with the formulas plugin?

Am Montag, 12. März 2018 14:39:35 UTC+1 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Footnote to my last. Over on Twitter Evan suggested that 
> http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html#Demo%3A%20Bouncy%20Bounce 
> k 
> inda
>  
> illustrates some the issues on timing for "live events" in TW.
>
> J.
>

This "piano test" simply reveals an  tag that points to a 
source when pressing a button

I can also press two at the same time and get two sounds

the problem is that it streams the notes from another website

I'm looking for a way to save the audio in a wiki and have an autoplay that 
uses an audio tiddler as source

Maybe you know someone who has an uncle who knows who to ask?

BTC

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Re: [tw] KaTeX fractions look awful when tiddler opened in new window

[David Rodriguez]

Mac OS 10.12.6 (Sierra)

I see the problem on both Safari and Chrome.

My version of Katex is below:


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Looking at a fraction from the demo for the KaTeX plugin:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Now, open that tiddler in a new window (I do so to print):
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> The fraction lines are all displaced.
>
> What browser and operating system are you using? I've been unable to
> duplicate the problem with Chrome or Safari on macOS.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> Any way to fix this? Thanks.
>
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[tw] Re: Issue: I'd like to talk about Markup---broadly

[@TiddlyTweeter]

from another thread, relevant here ...

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> ... In retrospect I was far too influenced by Markdown back in 2011/12 
> when TW5 wikitext was first being defined.
>

Side note I want to make on just this point about Markdown. I remember when 
Markdown emerged (as an end-user / avid blogger) thinking "this is a 
godsend". But also, "this is likely to become a somewhat messy non-standard 
standard long-term" -- because its "just too easy." If you get what I mean? 

Indeed the "floppiness" in implementations and the many mixed in add-ins to 
them (many platform dependent) I think shows that point.

IMO original Markdown really pushed forward an approach to being able to 
write and format in a way that still looked like normal writing. 

But it wasn't on its own. There were several similar approaches already, 
but Gruber's philosophical take on it and his pragmatic understanding of 
normal writing conceits I think gave it great leverage and attention. 

IMO, the longer term legacy is very messy. 

And I'm in no way convinced that any Universal Salve (e.g. CommonMark), 
struggling with the variants for it, is going to work well enough to 
convince me there will ever be "one" workable universal approach to it. 
Indeed, I think Gruber's main point was "to be pragmatic" in the mess.

My question is this: HOW in TW, now, do we pragmatically, in the easiest 
way, best enable writers to write and format their texts in the ways THEY 
need? 

Its completely nuts to think that writers should be limited to a good idea 
that emerged in 2011 when, now, we know a lot more and can do a lot more, 
EASILY.

Let's have an argument about this. :-)

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Getting the input and output of a tiddler

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Joe,

if you want Jed's code to display HTML instead of wikitext, you may use the
format attribute of the View widget:

<$list filter="[tag[Widgets]]">


!!The tiddler tiddler <$view field='title'/>

has the text

---


<$view format="htmlwikified" mode="block"/>

---

which is is rendered as

---

<$transclude mode=block/>

---

Or perform all transclusions first in a tiddler, then view the result as
html, using the View widget.

Xavier.

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Jed Carty  wrote:

> Dumping it into a file would take something else (although you can export
> tiddlers in various formats so that may help), but to get the raw text you
> can use the text widget like this probably overly complex example:
>
>
> <$list filter="[tag[testcase]]">
>
>
> !!The tiddler tiddler <$view field='title'/>
>
> has the text
>
> ---
>
> 
> <$text text={{!!text}}/>
> 
>
> ---
>
> which is is rendered as
>
> ---
>
> <$transclude mode=block/>
>
> ---
>
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[tw] Re: Getting the input and output of a tiddler

[Jed Carty]

Dumping it into a file would take something else (although you can export 
tiddlers in various formats so that may help), but to get the raw text you 
can use the text widget like this probably overly complex example:


<$list filter="[tag[testcase]]">


!!The tiddler tiddler <$view field='title'/>

has the text

---


<$text text={{!!text}}/>


---

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---

<$transclude mode=block/>

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[tw] Re: tiddler list with titles and tags

[Jed Carty]

Yes, that is possible. Try this:

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[Tasks]!tag[Done]tag[Next]]">
<$checkbox tag="Done"> 
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/> <$list 
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[tw] Re: How Do I Create a Template Form?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's a great discussion and explainer by C Pa on templates and setting 
your own data structures:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/QUXd3kG1pTQ/RnYdTqLmAwAJ

Also, look for tiddler "Creating a simple Contacts DB" by Stephan Hradek 
 at 
http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ . A lot of people have used this as a 
starting for their own projects. Note that the code is a bit out of date, 
and he uses his own "new tiddler" macro which is no longer necessary.

HTH
-- Mark

On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 6:58:40 PM UTC-7, D X wrote:
>
> I'm new to TW. I love the lightweight flexibility, but can't figure out 
> from the provided documentation and examples how to create multi-part forms.
>
> Here's an example of what I'd like to be able to do (this is not 
> specifically what I want to do, but a simplified example): create an "Issue 
> Tracking Template". I want to create a new Tiddler that has multiple 
> sections like the following:
>
> Section 1: Short Answer: When the issue occurred; name of the person who 
> encountered the issue; location code where the issue occurred. This part 
> seems like it could work with transclusion + fields.
>
> Section 2, 3, etc.: Long Answer: I want headers or boldfaced sections like 
> "Issue Description:", "Issue Resolution:", "Comments/Follow-Up:", etc. 
>
> The problems with the Long Answer sections are: 
>
> A. How can I have the headers for these sections automatically imported / 
> templated into a new "Issue Page" when I create it so that I'm reminded to 
> fill them out?
>
> B. I don't want to enter / edit long paragraph sections using fields, so 
> these seem like smaller tiddlers pulled in via tags? If so, how do you 
> multi-transclude the text of tiddlers? If there were a way to 
> multi-transclude (like  or , except I want the body text 
> imported also), then how do I have the headers / prompts show up while I'm 
> editing the target page (the new issue) so I can see the headers / prompts 
> and interlace my response text with them?
>
> Thanks!
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[tw] Getting the input and output of a tiddler

[Joe Armstrong]

Hello,

I've made a lot of very small tiddlers (one liners)
with the tag 'testcase'

Now I want to do the following:

list the text of each tiddler
expand each tiddler into HTML (I want to see the HTML of the tiddler - pre 
rendering)
(similar to what is done in the HTML view of the internals plugin)

This is very helpful in understanding how TW works.

I made a start on this

<$list filter="[tag[testcase]]">
<$transclude <> />


Somehow I need to get the
text content (the stuff I edit) from <>
<$transclude ..> goes one step too far - it renders the
result - I want to see the HTML pre rendered.


Even better if I could dump the results into a file

Cheers

/Joe

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Re: [tw] Re: tiddler list with titles and tags

[Don Lund]

Thanks Eskha.

How would you modify something like this:

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[Tasks]!tag[Done]tag[Next]]">
<$checkbox tag="Done">
<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>



so that the tags could be included with the title as part of <$view
field="title"/>, maybe appended to the title and separated by hyphens?

Is that possible?

Regards,
Don Lund
Milan, MI

Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.
*Isaac Watts, pub.1707*

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Eskha  wrote:

> Hi Captain,
>
> The tiddler tags are stored in the "tags" field so you can display them
> with the
>
> *{{!!tags}}*syntax inside the list widget.
>
>
> If you want to display them so that they look like ... tags, you can use
> the following template :
> "$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"
> with the syntax
>
> *{{!!tags||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}*
>
> (in that case you even don't need to use the !!tags part)
>
>
> You can look at the  "custom item output" of the ListWidget documentation
> on Tiddliwiki.com for an illustration
>
> <$list filter="[tag[ListWidget]sort[title]]">
> <>
> {{||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags}}
> 
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eskha
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Re: [tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[Rizwan Ishak]

It is there in contents  tab too.

I actually made a PR.  It took some discussion and time to ensure backward
compatibility and inclusion of alpha numerical comparison.  I guess it is
ready now.  Main purpose of this post is to find edge cases.

sincerely
Riz

On 12-Mar-2018 7:17 PM, "'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki" <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I think it's all those angle brackets. Just fish it out of the "recent"
> tiddlers tab.
>
> It would be great if this were to become core -- not just for "reveal",
> but for filters. It looks like Riz has selected some good terminology
> (currently a sticking point).
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:51:45 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Riz,
>>
>>
>> Link Goes to
>> Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget"
>> - click  to create
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Plugin and Demo
>>> 
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Riz
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[tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think it's all those angle brackets. Just fish it out of the "recent" 
tiddlers tab.

It would be great if this were to become core -- not just for "reveal", but 
for filters. It looks like Riz has selected some good terminology 
(currently a sticking point).

-- Mark

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> Riz,
>
>
> Link Goes to 
> Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget" 
> - click  to create
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>>
>>
>> Plugin and Demo 
>> 
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
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[tw] Re: tiddler list with titles and tags

[Eskha]

Hi Captain,

The tiddler tags are stored in the "tags" field so you can display them 
with the

*{{!!tags}}*syntax inside the list widget.


If you want to display them so that they look like ... tags, you can use 
the following template :
"$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"
with the syntax

*{{!!tags||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}*

(in that case you even don't need to use the !!tags part)


You can look at the  "custom item output" of the ListWidget documentation 
on Tiddliwiki.com for an illustration

<$list filter="[tag[ListWidget]sort[title]]">
<>
{{||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags}}



Best regards,

Eskha

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Re: [tw] Silent and Noisy errors

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Joe

I’m afraid, as is usual with TiddlyWiki, things are a bit inconsistent for 
historical reasons.

There is explicit error reporting during rendering in a few cases:

* Unknown widget names display the error "Undefined widget ‘widge’
* A recursive transclusion attempt will display the error "Recursive 
transclusion error in transclude widget” (nicely formatted in red)

Most errors beyond that are silent. In retrospect I was far too influenced by 
Markdown back in 2011/12 when TW5 wikitext was first being defined.

> Is this something I can easily fix

Yes, it’d be quite an easy fix for this specific case of flagging invocations 
of missing macros, with the caveat that we’d need to explore the backwards 
compatibility implications of changing the default behaviour; noisy errors 
might need to opt-in.
> I HATE silent errors in programming languages - all programming and run-time 
> errors should cause a
> 
Yes, I think it was a mistake here.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> huge error message and execution should stop immediately. The error message 
> is so the
> 
> programmer can fix the error. Stopping immediately is to avoid further damage.
> 
> 
> 
> I given talks about the evils of silent errors. NaN 
>  in JS for example is causes errors 
> 
> which are terribly difficult to find.
> 
> 
> 
> I think any error that can be detected should result in a noisy error.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> /Joe
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[tw] Re: Silent and Noisy errors

[Joe Armstrong]

Another (possible) silent error

This case is not so clear

If I write [[xyz]] or {{xyz}} when I'm authoring a tiddler

In most cases (not all) this is an error because I've misspelt xyz

I'd like a mode where I got BIG error messages when refereeing to
non-existent tiddlers

/Joe




On Monday, 12 March 2018 06:23:01 UTC-7, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> I have just discovered a bug in a tiddler.
>
>
> I misspelled a macro name and didn't notice it – this is actually a common 
> error of mine. 
>
> In all programming languages I tend to see what I hoped to see rather than 
> what is there. I'm pretty bad at spelling.
>
>
> Mispellling a macro name is a serious error so I want the system to shout 
> out loudly when this happens.
>
>
> What happens in TW is the expansion of (say) <> causes a 
>
> silent error if baname does not exit. ie there is no replacement text.
>
>
> I'd like the replacement text to be Missing macro badname -- fatal error 
> in tiddler
>
>
> Is this something I can easily fix
>
>
> I HATE silent errors in programming languages - all programming and 
> run-time errors should cause a 
>
> huge error message and execution should stop immediately. The error 
> message is so the
>
> programmer can fix the error. Stopping immediately is to avoid further 
> damage.
>
>
> I given talks about the evils of silent errors. NaN 
>  in JS for example is causes errors 
>
> which are terribly difficult to find.
>
>
> I think any error that can be detected should result in a noisy error.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> /Joe
>

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Footnote to my last. Over on Twitter Evan suggested that 
http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html#Demo%3A%20Bouncy%20Bounce 
k 
inda 
illustrates some the issues on timing for "live events" in TW.

J.

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[tw] Re: Comment: The Russians do TiddlyWiki commerce well ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Good news Sini-Kit!

Thanks for the update.

I tweeted about it here: 
https://twitter.com/TiddlyTweeter/status/973187650474708993

Best wishes
Josiah

sini-Kit wrote:
>
> Hi! A week ago I have found the best plugin for math operations in TW5 
> https://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html 
> This plugin + TW5 +google Forms + google tables  can be the great solution 
> for any shop, on-line calculator or site with real-time graphics.
>
> So I delete all my shop code and start my experiments  on REAL shop 
> project http://heeg.ru/heeg49.html (It is B to B shop of postcards. some 
> images not ready) 
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[tw] Silent and Noisy errors

[Joe Armstrong]

I have just discovered a bug in a tiddler.


I misspelled a macro name and didn't notice it – this is actually a common 
error of mine. 

In all programming languages I tend to see what I hoped to see rather than 
what is there. I'm pretty bad at spelling.


Mispellling a macro name is a serious error so I want the system to shout 
out loudly when this happens.


What happens in TW is the expansion of (say) <> causes a 

silent error if baname does not exit. ie there is no replacement text.


I'd like the replacement text to be Missing macro badname -- fatal error in 
tiddler


Is this something I can easily fix


I HATE silent errors in programming languages - all programming and 
run-time errors should cause a 

huge error message and execution should stop immediately. The error message 
is so the

programmer can fix the error. Stopping immediately is to avoid further 
damage.


I given talks about the evils of silent errors. NaN 
 in JS for example is causes errors 

which are terribly difficult to find.


I think any error that can be detected should result in a noisy error.


Cheers


/Joe

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[tw] tiddler list with titles and tags

[Captain Packers]

I'm wondering if it's possible to create a list of tiddlers and display 
both their titles and tags in the list. I'm familiar with creating lists 
and showing their titles and using filters to customize the list, but I 
don't know how to display the tiddlers tags as part of the list, or if 
that's even possible.

Cheers,

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter try out the instructions from my last post, unless there 
> is some bug that I haven't tracked down it should work the way you are 
> describing as 'portable enough'
> without any sort of configuration.
>

I tried the latest. Worked perfectly on first run. Fabulous!

Then I closed it (the server & webpage) but noticed that the server was 
still running in Windows and it would not activate properly a second time.



I will try pin down this "teething issue" so it can be replicated. Later.

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[Rizwan Ishak]

ugh, as if there was not enough reason to despise it.

thanks Josiah

Riz

On 12-Mar-2018 6:08 PM, "@TiddlyTweeter"  wrote:

> Right. Its still not working. GG can't always handle long addresses
> reliably.
>
> Here is one that does: http://tinyurl.com/y8taw5s7
>
> J.
>
> On Monday, 12 March 2018 12:46:25 UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>>
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/index.
>> html#Reveal-Extended%3A%20Adding%20<%2C>%2C<%3D%2C>%3D%20types%20to%20reveal%20widget
>>
>>
>> This is the entire link. GG is a pain to work from mobile
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 12 March 2018 14:21:45 UTC+5:30, TonyM  wrote:
>> > Riz,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Link Goes to
>> > Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget"
>> - click  to create
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Tony
>> >
>> > On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>> >
>> > Plugin and Demo
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Riz
>>
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[tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Right. Its still not working. GG can't always handle long addresses 
reliably.

Here is one that does: http://tinyurl.com/y8taw5s7

J.

On Monday, 12 March 2018 12:46:25 UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>
>
> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/index.html#Reveal-Extended%3A%20Adding%20<%2C>%2C<%3D%2C>%3D%20types%20to%20reveal%20widget
>  
>
>
> This is the entire link. GG is a pain to work from mobile 
>
>
> On Monday, 12 March 2018 14:21:45 UTC+5:30, TonyM  wrote: 
> > Riz, 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Link Goes to  
> > Missing tiddler 
> "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget" - click  to 
> create 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards 
> > Tony 
> > 
> > On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote: 
> > 
> > Plugin and Demo 
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > Riz 
>
>

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[tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[Riz]

https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/pluginsandmacros/index.html#Reveal-Extended%3A%20Adding%20<%2C>%2C<%3D%2C>%3D%20types%20to%20reveal%20widget




On Monday, 12 March 2018 14:21:45 UTC+5:30, TonyM  wrote:
> Riz,
> 
> 
> 
> Link Goes to 
> Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget" - 
> click  to create
> 
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
> 
> Plugin and Demo
> 
> Sincerely,
> Riz

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[tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[Riz]

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[tw] Re: Surely TiddlyWiki can do this ...?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Whoa! 

Thanks!

Interesting proof of basic idea. Pressing the keys I do get notes, though 
at tempo: 

*molto molto lentamente :-)*I noticed in the code you use a notation system 
to represent the different notes. I vaguely remember there is stuff around 
for a kind of "playable markup notation".

Anyway, if you interested, I can try find out more.

Best wishes
Josiah

BurningTreeC wrote:
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> There you go, http://tiddlypiano.tiddlyspot.com/

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[tw] [TW5] How to make XLSX plugin read .xls files?

[Siniy-Kit]

Hi! I use CAD program with .xls (no .xlsx) export. So I get .xls file , 
then rename manually  it to .xlsx  and import to TW5 . It works good and 
all data puts in correct way, but is it possible to use this plugin without 
file extension renaming?  How to make .xls = .xlsx 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki and Hyperstructures - "zzstructures, mSpaces, and Polyarchies"

[PMario]

Edited the tree to make it consistent with the text. 

   AA  A
\ / 
 B   
/ \
   C   D

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki and Hyperstructures - "zzstructures, mSpaces, and Polyarchies"

[PMario]

On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:32:43 PM UTC+1, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> This is a bit out there, for me at least, but this article ("A Comparison 
> of Hyperstructures: Zzstructures, mSpaces, and Polyarchies") most has got 
> me thinking: Is TiddlyWiki a zzstructure, an mSpace or a polyarchy? Check 
> out the figures: I think we could build tiddlywiki navigation that was 
> illustrative of these cases.
>

Hi Steve, 

Very interesting article! ... But I think your question is misleading: >>Is 
TiddlyWiki a zzstructure, an mSpace or a polyarchy?<<

The article talks about information-structures. Starting from "1 
dimensional lists" up to "trees" up to "multitries" - polyarchies - mSpaces 
- zzstructures. It discusses the last 3 in detail. 

... and I think, TiddlyWiki has all of them - at the same time. ... 

So I would rephrase the question: "*Is it possible to represent tiddlywiki 
content using "zzstructures, mSpaces or polyarchies?*"

My answer is *yes*. ... BUT at the moment we are not able to conveniently 
use them. ...  


A second question I would raise is: *"Can we use the information presented 
in the paper, to improve TWs functionality"*?

*Yes *... reading the paper, I had several ideas already ... 

eg: In TiddlyWiki using tagging we automatically create "multi-trees". 
Which means: "one tiddler can be part of several trees". 

Like this:
   AA  A
\ / \
 B   E
/ \
   C   D

One possible flow is:   A - B - C
Second possible flow: A - B - D 
3rd: AA - B - C
4th: AA - B - D

Now this creates a "*navigation problem*": 

 - Starting at A we click the "Next" button
 - B is selected -> OK
 - we click the "Next" button
 - C or D are possible -> "problem" 

Using some insight from the paper imo makes it possible to solve this 
problem! ... That's cool :)

A related problem "*Sending a link to B looses context*" 

 - We send a link to tiddler B to a different user
 - If S/he clicks "Previous" button
 - AA or A ??? -> problem

I think, if we would disentangle this structure using the mechanisms 
described in the paper, we could create a "new type of permalink" that 
would allow us to preserve the context of the "link-author"

I think this would be extremely powerful. ... Just think about it. 

---

I also had an idea, to improve the TOC-macro ... The only problem is TIME :/

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[Jed Carty]

I am going to start this by saying that I appreciate the feedback and I 
apologise if my tone is (or has been) a bit harsh, this has been very 
confusing for me.

@TiddlyTweeter try out the instructions from my last post, unless there is 
some bug that I haven't tracked down it should work the way you are 
describing as 'portable enough'
without any sort of configuration.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[Jed Carty]

It is not packaged like the portableapps.com things but you can go here 
(https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases) and download the 
one for your system (tiddlyLInux for linux, tiddlyOSX for mac and 
tiddlyWin.exe for windows). Then you copy that into whatever folder you 
want and run it. On windows you may have to allow network access for it, it 
will probably show up as node if it asks.

When you run it it should open up a browser window with a wiki in it. If 
you want to make it accessible to other computers on the same network than 
you go to the Node Settings tab in $:/ControlPanel and where you see 
"host": "127.0.0.1" click on the "127.0.0.1" part and enter 0.0.0.0 instead 
(without quotes!) and click the 'Update Settings' button below. Then down 
lower click on the 'Shutdown Wiki' button. This will close the server. 
Restart the application (by opening up the same thing you downloaded) and 
it should open in the browser again and you should be able to open it up 
from other comptuers on the network from the url given in the Hello! 
tiddler. It should be the default tiddler.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed, comments inserted below ...

Jed wrote:

> ... you ... take a program written in nodejs and convert it into a single 
> executable file with no external dependencies. 
>

The point of what I described is that you run an executable file and then a 
> working wiki opens in your browser and you don't have to think about it. 
> That is what I have set up and what I am asking about.
>

Right. And thank you! I think its an excellent approach. Especially if it 
could be made "portable" (see below).

If this could work in a way the user can just "install it and start 
working" it opens a lot of possibilities.

For instance, if portable, one could wrap it with a specific TiddlyWiki 
application so that a user gets a whole "package". They would have 
flexibility if they needed it, but at the start they could just start using 
without complications on saving, backup, platform concerns etc.  

Jed wrote:

A portable app version sounds like a good idea. I need to look into what 
> that requires. 
>

A few comments on this. Perhaps they are obvious. But perhaps helpful. 

As far as I understand it to make an application portable requires mainly 
that its settings only ever use relative addressing. 

PortableApps.com apps have a slightly more stringent approach that requires 
things like a working cache to also be relatively addressed (as opposed, 
say, to allowing the OS' designated area for User temp files). 

Its worth noting that PortableApps menuing system (directly supported only 
in Windows, though is Wine compliant) can run any program. In my own case I 
run many applications that are "portable enough" through it (i.e. make no 
changes to registry but do use some OS' determined locations for temporary 
files). 

Best wishes
Josiah

 

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[Jan]

Hi Jed,
A portable app would be a great great improvement, I immediately marked 
this thread important.
 Is there a test version I could try? I have looked through your 
postings but could not find it...


Yours jan


Am 11.03.2018 um 12:34 schrieb Jed Carty:

Some background:

I have been playing around with ways to make stand-alone executable 
files out of node programs for a while for my other work and I have 
found a few working options. The npm module pkg is currently the best 
out of what I have used. They allow you to take a program written in 
nodejs and convert it into a single executable file with no external 
dependencies. So you can run the node version of tiddlywiki without 
installing node.


Using the multi-user plugin you can start up the node version of 
tiddlywiki one time and it will serve as many wikis as you want and 
you can have it create single file versions of any of the wikis 
without the multi-user plugin once you are done editing them (this is 
how I have been making all of my single file wikis lately)


The result:

You just download the tiddlywiki program and start it up, then in your 
browser you open localhost:8080 (or wherever you set it to be hosted, 
I can make it so that when you start the program it automatically 
opens in your default browser also) and then from within that you can 
create your new wikis and edit them and all of them will have two-way 
syncing with the file system and can support multiple people editing 
at the same time (or one person in multiple browsers or tabs or computers)


And the question:

Is that something people are interested in? I got very little feedback 
about the multi-user plugin so I suspect that most people just use 
tiddlywiki in a single person or single file situation. I use what I 
described above but it isn't packaged in a way that is portable and 
making it portable will take a bit of work so I wanted to see if 
anyone would actually use it before bothering.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[Jed Carty]

Version 0.0.2 is up so you may have better luck with that. Also do you have 
the windows firewall blocking things automatically? I can't test on windows 
but you may have to tell it to allow the server to run or make an exception 
for node.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[TonyM]

Thanks,

Will review soon. I have tried every combination with and without other 
items running. I will try the new version.

I only Get  'Websockets listening on 8081" 
*I am not getting* *under that say something like "Serving 
on 127.0.0.1:8082 "*
I have now tried incrementing by one the address with no luck, But I will 
reboot and check nothing else is loading on those ports.

Regards
Tony

Regards
Tony

On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 6:47:53 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Well, if you want to just try it out than turn off tiddlyserver to test 
> it. I threw together the packaged version so people could use it because I 
> got frustrated. By default the auto incrementing ports part is off because 
> that was requested by someone on github. I will change that and upload a 
> new version.
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[tw] Re: A multi column layout with drag and drop between column

[TonyM]

P.

Have you reviewed the existing kanban solutions in TiddlyWiki?

The work has being done but with additional styling and features.

See https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan/ (yes you are 
looking at TiddlyWiki not Trello)
and https://reidgould.github.io/tiddlywiki-dropboard/

Or use these to find the code you need.

Regards
Tony



On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:28:41 PM UTC+11, peuhpeuh singe wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I want to implement the following things but I am really not to sure about 
> how to do. 
>
> 1) I have three tags. Let call them A, B and C.
>
> I would like to list the tiddlers tagged A, B or C in a given tiddler (let 
> call in main) in the columnwise i.e.:
>
> tiddler1_taggedA ti1_taggedB   tidd1_taggedC
>
> tiddler2_taggedAtidd2_taggedC
>
> tiddler3_taggedA
>
>
>
> This is my first goal and based on my current skills, I would use a table 
> but it looks creepy to fill it "column-wise" and maybe some more advances 
> things would be more appropriate. Any idea ?
>
>
> 2) Then, I would like to drag and drop between the 3 columns (changing the 
> tags appropriately). I am aware of the 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Drag%2520and%2520Drop.html but did not 
> manage to find a simple example on how to do. Can anybody provides me some 
> hints ?
>
>
> 3) Finally, maybe some of you have already performed a very similar 
> things/pluging (that I did not find) but if someone has a link to it ; many 
> thanks ! I am aware of the  tiddlytouch but it does to many things for my 
> purpose, I would like something "simpler"...
>
>
> Thanks all for developping tw and help me improving my skills !
> P.
>

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[tw] Re: Reveal-Ext: Extending reveal widget to have >, <, >=, <= operators

[TonyM]

Riz,


Link Goes to 
Missing tiddler "Reveal-Extended:+Adding+<,>,<=,>=+types+to+reveal+widget" 
- click  to create

Regards
Tony

On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 1:40:07 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
>
> Plugin and Demo 
> 
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>

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[tw] A multi column layout with drag and drop between column

[peuhpeuh singe]

Hello everybody,

I want to implement the following things but I am really not to sure about 
how to do. 

1) I have three tags. Let call them A, B and C.

I would like to list the tiddlers tagged A, B or C in a given tiddler (let 
call in main) in the columnwise i.e.:

tiddler1_taggedA ti1_taggedB   tidd1_taggedC

tiddler2_taggedAtidd2_taggedC

tiddler3_taggedA



This is my first goal and based on my current skills, I would use a table 
but it looks creepy to fill it "column-wise" and maybe some more advances 
things would be more appropriate. Any idea ?


2) Then, I would like to drag and drop between the 3 columns (changing the 
tags appropriately). I am aware of the 
https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Drag%2520and%2520Drop.html but did not manage 
to find a simple example on how to do. Can anybody provides me some hints ?


3) Finally, maybe some of you have already performed a very similar 
things/pluging (that I did not find) but if someone has a link to it ; many 
thanks ! I am aware of the  tiddlytouch but it does to many things for my 
purpose, I would like something "simpler"...


Thanks all for developping tw and help me improving my skills !
P.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of tiddlywiki

[Jed Carty]

Or it is set to auto increment already. Your console should say 'Websockets 
listening on 8081" and under that say something like "Serving on 
127.0.0.1:8082"

The second one is where it is serving it. I just didn't put the updated 
address in the part that opens the URL for the quick demo version.

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