Re: [tw5] Tables/Spreadsheet plugins?

2020-06-15 Thread Jon
Also SocialCalc which is an excel-like spreadsheet within the tiddler -  
http://rboue.tiddlyspot.com

On Monday, 15 June 2020 17:59:38 UTC+1, Pit.W. wrote:
>
> Hi OGNSYA
>
>
> Maybe have a look at:
>
> * http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#Inline%20editable%20tables
>
> * http://my-table.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> * https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DynamicTables/
>
> * Formulas-plugin contains an excel-like spread sheet 
> https://joshuafontany.github.io/TiddlyWikiFormula/
>
>
>
> Stability of plugins:
>
> I have found that practically all TW-plugins are stable, until I start 
> editing things .
>
>
> Finding plugins: 
>
> * https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
>
>
> Pit.W
>
>
>
> Am 15.06.2020 um 17:29 schrieb OGNSYA:
>
> I'm looking for a plugin for editing my tiddlers in a tables/spreadsheet 
> format.
>
> I found a few options online, and TiddlyTables 
>  seem to be the one that best fits 
> my needs.
>
> However if there is a more stable alternative, I'd prefer that.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? (comments on TiddlyTables are also 
> welcome) 
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: I also did this more general post 
>  asking 
> about how to proceed to find stable plugins (other than the official ones). 
> If anyone has comments on that (or advice on better ways/places to ask 
> about this sort of thing), it would be helpful too!
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[tw5] Re: How to modify the created field in the right way?

2020-06-15 Thread Eric Shulman
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-7, yrosgi L wrote:
>
> I use node/tiddlywiki to serve the content. Recently I recover a tiddler 
> by copy the content from git history and recreate the tiddler.
> So the created day is different from the origin. I tried to manually 
> modify the tiddler by using a text editor, but there is nothing change 
> after I saved the tiddler text.
>

Here's a little trick for changing the "created" field directly from within 
the TiddlyWiki tiddler editor:

1) View the desired tiddler and invoke the editor (pencil icon)
2) In the "Add new field" field name input, type "created"
3) In the corresponding field value input, enter a date/time value using 
0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX format (e.g., 20200615102030500 = June 15, 2020 at 
10:20:30.500am)
4) Press the done button (checkmark icon) to apply the change

Note that this also works for other "hidden" system fields ("creator" and 
"modifier").

It also works for "modified", but only if you first turn off the automatic 
timestamp feature (see Sidebar > Tools > Timestamps)

Also note that the timestamp field value is in UDT, so you will need to 
account for the timezone offset of your location.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] How to modify the created field in the right way?

2020-06-15 Thread Saq Imtiaz
Shut down the node server, edit the created date in a text editor,and restart 
the server. Reload the wiki if it's already open.

Or, use the action-setfield widget via a button, to change the created field.

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

2020-06-15 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mark

I'm doing some experiments with *Splitology *in Noto. I can't find the 
pre-outliner version? One with the global "splitting" off? I can find 3 
versions of Outliner.

Could you indicate where I can change the regex(?) in the macro(s) that 
determines the split point so I can modify myself for testing? Just FYI 
I'll be loading texts with split points indicated by string "*%SPLIT%*"

Many thanks
TT

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[tw5] Re: Replace space in currentTiddler variable with underscore

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
And if you want a link to a tiddler by the new name

{{{ [split[ ]join[_]] }}}

Just to fill out Eric's comprehensive answer.

Tony

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 11:17:55 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:36:00 PM UTC-7, Ankit Mittal wrote:
>>
>> I have been trying to get a variable set such that it has the title of 
>> current toddler without spaces. I tried following but it did not work...
>>
>> \define testCreate()
>> <$set name=test filter="""  <> +[join[_]] """>
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> If title of current tiddler is "Hello There Abbey", I was hoping above 
>> macro would result in Hello_There_Abbey but it did not.
>>
>
> Try this:
> <$set name="test" filter="[split[ ]join[_]]">
> <>
> 
>
> You can also achieve the same results with the <$vars> widget, using an 
> "inline filter", like this:
> <$vars test={{{ [split[ ]join[_]] }}}>
> <>
> 
>
> and, if you just want to *display* the value, you don't even need the 
> $vars.  Just write:
> <$text text={{{ [split[ ]join[_]] }}}/>
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: How to modify the created field in the right way?

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
I don't modify tiddlers on disk, but I do know;

If you delete a first draft of shadow tiddler, it will revert to a shadow 
tiddler.

Regards
tony


On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 1:30:00 PM UTC+10, yrosgi L wrote:
>
> I use node/tiddlywiki to serve the content. Recently I recover a tiddler 
> by copy the content from git history and recreate the tiddler.
> So the created day is different from the origin. I tried to manually 
> modify the tiddler by using a text editor, but there is nothing change 
> after I saved the tiddler text.
>
> PS: the reason why I lost the tiddler is very strange. I found there was a 
> tiddler duplicated with same content but different title with a draft 
> prefix, so I decided to delete the draft, but the original tiddler was 
> deleted at the same time. I think it is a bug.
>
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] How to modify the created field in the right way?

2020-06-15 Thread yrosgi L
I use node/tiddlywiki to serve the content. Recently I recover a tiddler by 
copy the content from git history and recreate the tiddler.
So the created day is different from the origin. I tried to manually modify 
the tiddler by using a text editor, but there is nothing change after I 
saved the tiddler text.

PS: the reason why I lost the tiddler is very strange. I found there was a 
tiddler duplicated with same content but different title with a draft 
prefix, so I decided to delete the draft, but the original tiddler was 
deleted at the same time. I think it is a bug.

Thanks.

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[tw5] Re: Replace space in currentTiddler variable with underscore

2020-06-15 Thread Eric Shulman
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:36:00 PM UTC-7, Ankit Mittal wrote:
>
> I have been trying to get a variable set such that it has the title of 
> current toddler without spaces. I tried following but it did not work...
>
> \define testCreate()
> <$set name=test filter="""  <> +[join[_]] """>
> <>
> 
>
> \end
>
> <>
>
> If title of current tiddler is "Hello There Abbey", I was hoping above 
> macro would result in Hello_There_Abbey but it did not.
>

Try this:
<$set name="test" filter="[split[ ]join[_]]">
<>


You can also achieve the same results with the <$vars> widget, using an 
"inline filter", like this:
<$vars test={{{ [split[ ]join[_]] }}}>
<>


and, if you just want to *display* the value, you don't even need the 
$vars.  Just write:
<$text text={{{ [split[ ]join[_]] }}}/>

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Replace space in currentTiddler variable with underscore

2020-06-15 Thread Ankit Mittal
Hi,

I have been trying to get a variable set such that it has the title of current 
toddler without spaces. I tried following but it did not work...

\define testCreate()
<$set name=test filter="""  <> +[join[_]] """>
<>


\end

<>

If title of current tiddler is "Hello There Abbey", I was hoping above macro 
would result in Hello_There_Abbey but it did not.

What am I doing wrong and what can I do to achieve what I am after?

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[tw5] Re: BobOSX and 'Drift'

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Rhod,

You should be able to do it in Bobs create wikis tab,

Obtain drift.empty.html from 
https://github.com/akhater/akhater.github.io/blob/master/drift/drift.empty.html

R-click the download button to save rather than open.

Then  in Bob's create wikis tab,

[image: Snag_2422f6a4.png]

However I just did it,, but I have seen a need to restart the server first, 
then after creation the server terminates and I need to load it again.

Rather than drift.empty.html 

 you 
could use your own wiki.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:23:56 AM UTC+10, Rhod Evans wrote:
>
> Hi - any advice for a non techie about how to get Drift working with Bob?  
> :)  I have Bob working on my local Mac and I have been keeping my journal 
> using Drift (in Tiddlydesktop).  Could somone please give me baby steps of 
> how to import Drift from Tiddlydesktop into Bob?  I sense that I am already 
> at my technical limits... :) 
> Many thanks!  Rhod
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[tw5] Re: Filter by Custom Field containing Tiddler name with spaces in it?

2020-06-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

The "compare" operator can let you make numeric comparisons:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator


On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:29:01 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>
> Perfect! Thank you.
>
> I did have the tiddler name as [[My Status]] in the custom field.
> I was assuming that the tag field of a tiddler was simply a list of titles.
> Since my custom field was also a list of titles, I assumed I could access 
> it the same way.
> I suppose it's not...
>
> Now I'm stuck trying to filter based on a number in a custom field called 
> "priority".
> I'd like to only show tiddlers with priority equal or greater than "5"
> Can I do that in a filter?
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 11:09:01 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> If "status" is a list of tiddler names, then any of the names in the list 
>> that have spaces need to be like [[My Status]]. This is called a title 
>> list. And you can't search directly with status[], because that method 
>> only matches fields with a single value. Instead use the "contains" 
>> operator, with the field status as a suffix. Like:
>>
>> [!is[system]tag[My Tag]contains:status[My Status]]
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to filter a list by my own custom field "Status", which is a 
>>> list of tiddler names, but it only works if the value has no space in it.
>>>
>>> Here's my code (the tag part works fine):
>>>
>>> [!is[system]tag[My Tag]status[My Status]]
>>>
>>> If I remove the space from the "My Status" tiddler, and change the above 
>>> to "MyStatus", it works.
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong? 
>>> Shouldn't this work the same as with tags?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Riz,

I agree with the store.php I gave up getting reliable results. but its 
successor is tw-receiver and it cant be found on tiddlywiki.com easily if 
at all.

https://github.com/sendwheel/tw-receiver

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:22:14 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
> That is a good point. 
>
> Things like server protocols require some more focus. For example WebDAV. 
> There ought be a more detailed steps regarding installation and usage of 
> specific WebDAV servers. 
> Some WebDAV solutions are obviously platform specific. For example, there 
> are WebDAV android apps. In such cases, whoever is pushing the changes 
> should take care to tag them appropriately and ensure that the 
> documentation is complete regarding that particular solution.
>
> Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless dat 
> server or just beaker browser? 
>
> Meanwhile, please also remember to give everyone's input regarding what 
> steps you seem appropriate to guide to a new user to find appropriate 
> saver. One question as put forward by Jeremy is whether user needs 
> tiddlywiki to take care of online synchronization, or is it something they 
> want to handle themselves via Dropbox, Google drive etc.
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 17:37 PMario, > 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:00:55 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you talking about authors of the documentation, or of the original 
>>> method? Not all of the methods have associated authors.
>>>
>>
>> Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg: AddOns 
>> or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they intended 
>> the functions to be used. ... They need to support it. 
>>
>> Some elements, like WebDav are documentation only, so there may be 
>> several authors involved. 
>>
>> -m
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[tw5] Re: Sort titles by roman numeral?

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Amreus,

We can help you achieve this, and it will be available to the community. I 
am busy today but I through this together.

\define roman-20() I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X XI XII XIII XIV XV XVI 
XVII XVIII XIX XX
<$list filter="[range[1,20]]" variable=decimal>
   <$set name=roman-num filter=<> select={{{ [subtract[1
]] }}}>
   <>=<>
   


Try it on tiddlywiki.com or try 
here https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html

Regards
Tony



On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 5:25:38 AM UTC+10, amreus wrote:
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Tony - it's not really worth the effort at this 
> time for the reasons you imply.  
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:17:29 PM UTC-4, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Amreus,
>>
>> A Quick and simple answer is one of the many reason roman numerals are 
>> not used very often today.  is there size is not directly related to the 
>> size of the number and they cant be sorted.
>>
>> I suggest a macro to convert roman numerals to decimal and store this in 
>> a field and use that field to sort.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 1:37:16 AM UTC+10, amreus wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I have some tiddlers which have a common title but ending in a unique 
>>> roman numeral. Is it possible to create a list of titles sorted by the 
>>> roman numeral?
>>>
>>> I'm attempting use `sortby` 
>>>
>>> tiddler: RomanNumerals with:
>>> list: I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X XI XII XIII XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII 
>>> XIX XX
>>>
>>> tiddler: Contents
>>> text:
>>> {{{ {prefix[CommonTitle] +sortby{RomanNumerals!!list}] }}}
>>>
>>>
>>> Any hint is appreciated. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: A playground edition

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Bimlas,

I agree, I have a 90% built a button for local storage, I need to return to 
it, I was pumping it with a lot of features. 

Anyway Noted, thanks for the feedback.

If using chrome its so easy to download a json, keeping it in the tray, 
then open the playground and drag and drop the json from the tray, but its 
similar from firefox.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 1:52:52 AM UTC+10, bimlas wrote:
>
> One thing could be added to the solution: the Clear Local Storage button 
> could be among the page control buttons.
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter by Custom Field containing Tiddler name with spaces in it?

2020-06-15 Thread OGNSYA
Perfect! Thank you.

I did have the tiddler name as [[My Status]] in the custom field.
I was assuming that the tag field of a tiddler was simply a list of titles.
Since my custom field was also a list of titles, I assumed I could access 
it the same way.
I suppose it's not...

Now I'm stuck trying to filter based on a number in a custom field called 
"priority".
I'd like to only show tiddlers with priority equal or greater than "5"
Can I do that in a filter?

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 11:09:01 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If "status" is a list of tiddler names, then any of the names in the list 
> that have spaces need to be like [[My Status]]. This is called a title 
> list. And you can't search directly with status[], because that method 
> only matches fields with a single value. Instead use the "contains" 
> operator, with the field status as a suffix. Like:
>
> [!is[system]tag[My Tag]contains:status[My Status]]
>
> HTH
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to filter a list by my own custom field "Status", which is a 
>> list of tiddler names, but it only works if the value has no space in it.
>>
>> Here's my code (the tag part works fine):
>>
>> [!is[system]tag[My Tag]status[My Status]]
>>
>> If I remove the space from the "My Status" tiddler, and change the above 
>> to "MyStatus", it works.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? 
>> Shouldn't this work the same as with tags?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter by Custom Field containing Tiddler name with spaces in it?

2020-06-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
If "status" is a list of tiddler names, then any of the names in the list 
that have spaces need to be like [[My Status]]. This is called a title 
list. And you can't search directly with status[], because that method 
only matches fields with a single value. Instead use the "contains" 
operator, with the field status as a suffix. Like:

[!is[system]tag[My Tag]contains:status[My Status]]

HTH

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>
> I'm trying to filter a list by my own custom field "Status", which is a 
> list of tiddler names, but it only works if the value has no space in it.
>
> Here's my code (the tag part works fine):
>
> [!is[system]tag[My Tag]status[My Status]]
>
> If I remove the space from the "My Status" tiddler, and change the above 
> to "MyStatus", it works.
>
> What am I doing wrong? 
> Shouldn't this work the same as with tags?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Filter by Custom Field containing Tiddler name with spaces in it?

2020-06-15 Thread OGNSYA
I'm trying to filter a list by my own custom field "Status", which is a 
list of tiddler names, but it only works if the value has no space in it.

Here's my code (the tag part works fine):

[!is[system]tag[My Tag]status[My Status]]

If I remove the space from the "My Status" tiddler, and change the above to 
"MyStatus", it works.

What am I doing wrong? 
Shouldn't this work the same as with tags?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
The alternative is tw-receiver. But that author hasn't submitted it to the 
gallery of savers either. I tried to submit a saver tiddler for 
tw-receiver, but it seems to have not made it into this collection.


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[tw5] Re: Sort titles by roman numeral?

2020-06-15 Thread amreus
Thanks for the suggestion Tony - it's not really worth the effort at this 
time for the reasons you imply.  


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:17:29 PM UTC-4, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Amreus,
>
> A Quick and simple answer is one of the many reason roman numerals are not 
> used very often today.  is there size is not directly related to the size 
> of the number and they cant be sorted.
>
> I suggest a macro to convert roman numerals to decimal and store this in a 
> field and use that field to sort.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 1:37:16 AM UTC+10, amreus wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I have some tiddlers which have a common title but ending in a unique 
>> roman numeral. Is it possible to create a list of titles sorted by the 
>> roman numeral?
>>
>> I'm attempting use `sortby` 
>>
>> tiddler: RomanNumerals with:
>> list: I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X XI XII XIII XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII 
>> XIX XX
>>
>> tiddler: Contents
>> text:
>> {{{ {prefix[CommonTitle] +sortby{RomanNumerals!!list}] }}}
>>
>>
>> Any hint is appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread PMario


On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:44:11 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg: AddOns 
>> or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they intended 
>> the functions to be used. ... They need to support it. 
>>
>
>  So we should remove PHP (store.php), since the author is not supporting 
> it and has definitely not created the saver documentation tiddler. People 
> are attempting to use store.php and becoming frustrated. 
>

Yea, I think there is an alternative, that works.

-m

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[tw5] Re: Max size of single html wiki file?

2020-06-15 Thread bimlas
Jake,

A short question: What is the maximum size (in terms of megabytes) of a 
> single html wiki file? I know it probably depends on your system RAM, but 
> "in general", what is the reasonable maximum size to operate without lags, 
> freezes, etc?
>

 I think you should avoid having your wiki larger than 25 MB if you want to 
open it on a smartphone too, because those devices have much more limited 
resources than a desktop PC.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread Rizwan Ishak
>
>
> To add to the GettingStarted change: I think the status of checkboxes
> should be saved in $:/state tiddler instead of $:/temp, because now
> changing options changes the dirty flag.
>

Noted. Will change in the next commit.

Sincerely,
Riz

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Re: [tw5] Tables/Spreadsheet plugins?

2020-06-15 Thread Pit.W.

Hi OGNSYA


Maybe have a look at:

* http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#Inline%20editable%20tables

* http://my-table.tiddlyspot.com/

* https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DynamicTables/

* Formulas-plugin contains an excel-like spread sheet 
https://joshuafontany.github.io/TiddlyWikiFormula/




Stability of plugins:

I have found that practically all TW-plugins are stable, until I start 
editing things .



Finding plugins:

* https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM


Pit.W



Am 15.06.2020 um 17:29 schrieb OGNSYA:
I'm looking for a plugin for editing my tiddlers in a 
tables/spreadsheet format.


I found a few options online, and TiddlyTables 
 seem to be the one that best 
fits my needs.


However if there is a more stable alternative, I'd prefer that.

Does anyone have any suggestions? (comments on TiddlyTables are also 
welcome)


Thanks!

PS: I also did this more general post 
 
asking about how to proceed to find stable plugins (other than the 
official ones). If anyone has comments on that (or advice on better 
ways/places to ask about this sort of thing), it would be helpful too!

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[tw5] BobOSX and 'Drift'

2020-06-15 Thread Rhod Evans
Hi - any advice for a non techie about how to get Drift working with Bob?  
:)  I have Bob working on my local Mac and I have been keeping my journal 
using Drift (in Tiddlydesktop).  Could somone please give me baby steps of 
how to import Drift from Tiddlydesktop into Bob?  I sense that I am already 
at my technical limits... :) 
Many thanks!  Rhod

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[tw5] Re: A playground edition

2020-06-15 Thread bimlas
One thing could be added to the solution: the Clear Local Storage button 
could be among the page control buttons.

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[tw5] Re: A playground edition

2020-06-15 Thread bimlas
TonyM,

It's a clever solution, so at least I don't have to go through the usual 
workflow (open empty, install plugin, download, open downloaded HTML, try 
it out, delete HTML), added to my bookmarks! :)

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread bimlas
OGNSYA,
 

> I agree that a Wizard could be helpful, since many new users struggle with 
> the whole concept of what TW is.
>

 Although the answer would be a completely different thread, but I think we 
could give them a very brief summary that is tangible of what they know:

*Treat the single file (standalone HTML) as a document (like Word, 
PowerPoint, etc.) that includes its own editor, so basically you have a 
common software that work differently for each task.*

To add to the GettingStarted change: I think the status of checkboxes 
should be saved in $:/state tiddler instead of $:/temp, because now 
changing options changes the dirty flag.

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[tw5] Tables/Spreadsheet plugins?

2020-06-15 Thread OGNSYA
I'm looking for a plugin for editing my tiddlers in a tables/spreadsheet 
format.

I found a few options online, and TiddlyTables 
 seem to be the one that best fits my 
needs.

However if there is a more stable alternative, I'd prefer that.

Does anyone have any suggestions? (comments on TiddlyTables are also 
welcome) 

Thanks!

PS: I also did this more general post 
 asking 
about how to proceed to find stable plugins (other than the official ones). 
If anyone has comments on that (or advice on better ways/places to ask 
about this sort of thing), it would be helpful too!

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

2020-06-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Thanks!

Both of them were a little slow to load and there was one "stop script" 
message for each. Still less than 30 seconds on my refurbished, ancient 
laptop with 8gigs ram.

Once loaded, I can tell dynaview is working. You page down, and the screen 
is blank. A moment later it renders. So it's working, but doesn't seem to 
be adding any value. The normal noto mode seemed to work fine once it was 
loaded. I'm guessing behind the scenes the DynaView version is using less 
memory. So if you wanted to work in the middle of a long play, your ff 
would be less likely to crash. Maybe.

In both of the versions, it was hard to type into an edit box. Each letter 
taking a half second or more to appear.

So, yeah. Lot's to think about.

Thanks!

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:54:01 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark
>
> Here are quick tests I did throwing the "Misery" screenplay into noto ... 
> The are approx 1800 Tiddlers. In reality you'd not use it like that, but 
> chunk into smaller "Acts" of around 150 Tiddlers each. Nonetheless, gives a 
> feel for performances...
>
> Test in* Noto Outliner  *...
>
>  
>
> Test in* Noto Outliner + Dynavi 
> ew*
>
>
> I think Dynaview can help, but I'm not sure its for this scenario? 
> Sometimes its actually worse for Notos! I don't know enough to know how to 
> make it optimal.
>
> Best wishes
> TT 
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020 14:57:40 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks for testing! Once you had the Crusoes (new system of measurement) 
>> installed in Dyna View, was performance any better? If not either
>>
>> 1. Having Dynaview doesn't help this kind of TW file
>> 2. I implemented Dynaview incorrectly
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

2020-06-15 Thread Mohammad
Searchwikis plugin lets to create a central index of all wikis 
online/offline and then using your method it is possible to search all of 
them from 
browser!



On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:47:21 PM UTC+4:30, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:
>
> Ha there it is. Not sure why it wasn't showing up in previous searches. 
> Thanks, will take a look.
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020 15:09:45 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Duarte,
>>  have look at this discussion
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/GbLf7Tn3AgAJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:24 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
>> duarte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Where can I find this SearchWikis plugin? I searched the forum butt 
>>> couldn't find anything relevant here or in the plugins library
>>>
>>> On Monday, 15 June 2020 04:01:52 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:

 Wow, this is wonderful! Using Searchwikis plugin and this solution 
 provided by Duarte,
 you can have a powerful search engine for local wikis!


 Best wishes
 Mohammad


 On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:17 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
 duarte...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The %s string is a common placeholder for search terms, not something 
> you would enter literally into the address bar.
> Say you setup a firefox bookmark with name My Wiki, address file:
> ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]] and alias wiki.
> If you then type into the address bar the alias followed by a space 
> then a search term like say  wiki personal notes it would then 
> automatically resolve the address and take you to 
> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[personal 
> notes]] .
>
> If you literally type  file:
> ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]  into the address bar 
> it will apparently show a javascript error, if you want to just type 
> directly you would have to actually write  
> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[my 
> search terms]] manually.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 06:36:24 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>>
>>
>> For the record if anyone else wants to know how, you can simply add 
>> to your browser something like
>>
>>> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]
>>> and it will behave like any search engine. Works both for 
>>> Chrome-alike as from the search engine list, and for Firefox as a 
>>> regular 
>>> bookmark with an alias.
>>>
>>
>> :[!is[system]search[%s]] gave mw a Javascript error but useing a 
>> normal search term instead of % worked fine.
>>
>> An note to any one reading-- a lag before anythng displays is normal 
>> when using a filter in the permalink.
>>
>>
>> This trick can also be used with Google docs and sheets (though not 
>> tested with a local wiki): 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/dR8hVQYR2P8/QSLZB-HkDwAJ
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

2020-06-15 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Ha there it is. Not sure why it wasn't showing up in previous searches. 
Thanks, will take a look.

On Monday, 15 June 2020 15:09:45 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Duarte,
>  have look at this discussion
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/GbLf7Tn3AgAJ
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:24 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
> duarte...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Where can I find this SearchWikis plugin? I searched the forum butt 
>> couldn't find anything relevant here or in the plugins library
>>
>> On Monday, 15 June 2020 04:01:52 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, this is wonderful! Using Searchwikis plugin and this solution 
>>> provided by Duarte,
>>> you can have a powerful search engine for local wikis!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:17 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
>>> duarte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 The %s string is a common placeholder for search terms, not something 
 you would enter literally into the address bar.
 Say you setup a firefox bookmark with name My Wiki, address file:
 ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]] and alias wiki.
 If you then type into the address bar the alias followed by a space 
 then a search term like say  wiki personal notes it would then 
 automatically resolve the address and take you to 
 file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[personal 
 notes]] .

 If you literally type  file:
 ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]  into the address bar 
 it will apparently show a javascript error, if you want to just type 
 directly you would have to actually write  
 file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[my 
 search terms]] manually.




 On Sunday, 14 June 2020 06:36:24 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
>
> For the record if anyone else wants to know how, you can simply add to 
> your browser something like
>
>> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]
>> and it will behave like any search engine. Works both for 
>> Chrome-alike as from the search engine list, and for Firefox as a 
>> regular 
>> bookmark with an alias.
>>
>
> :[!is[system]search[%s]] gave mw a Javascript error but useing a 
> normal search term instead of % worked fine.
>
> An note to any one reading-- a lag before anythng displays is normal 
> when using a filter in the permalink.
>
>
> This trick can also be used with Google docs and sheets (though not 
> tested with a local wiki): 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/dR8hVQYR2P8/QSLZB-HkDwAJ
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

2020-06-15 Thread Mohammad Rahmani
Hi Duarte,
 have look at this discussion

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/GbLf7Tn3AgAJ



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:24 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
duarte.fra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Where can I find this SearchWikis plugin? I searched the forum butt
> couldn't find anything relevant here or in the plugins library
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020 04:01:52 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Wow, this is wonderful! Using Searchwikis plugin and this solution
>> provided by Duarte,
>> you can have a powerful search engine for local wikis!
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:17 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
>> duarte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The %s string is a common placeholder for search terms, not something
>>> you would enter literally into the address bar.
>>> Say you setup a firefox bookmark with name My Wiki, address file:
>>> ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]] and alias wiki.
>>> If you then type into the address bar the alias followed by a space then
>>> a search term like say  wiki personal notes it would then automatically
>>> resolve the address and take you to 
>>> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[personal
>>> notes]] .
>>>
>>> If you literally type  file:
>>> ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]  into the address bar it
>>> will apparently show a javascript error, if you want to just type directly
>>> you would have to actually write  
>>> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[my
>>> search terms]] manually.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 06:36:24 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:


 For the record if anyone else wants to know how, you can simply add to
 your browser something like

> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]
> and it will behave like any search engine. Works both for Chrome-alike
> as from the search engine list, and for Firefox as a regular bookmark with
> an alias.
>

 :[!is[system]search[%s]] gave mw a Javascript error but useing a normal
 search term instead of % worked fine.

 An note to any one reading-- a lag before anythng displays is normal
 when using a filter in the permalink.


 This trick can also be used with Google docs and sheets (though not
 tested with a local wiki):
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/dR8hVQYR2P8/QSLZB-HkDwAJ

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

2020-06-15 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mark

Here are quick tests I did throwing the "Misery" screenplay into noto ... 
The are approx 1800 Tiddlers. In reality you'd not use it like that, but 
chunk into smaller "Acts" of around 150 Tiddlers each. Nonetheless, gives a 
feel for performances...

Test in* Noto Outliner  *...

 

Test in* Noto Outliner + Dynavi ew*


I think Dynaview can help, but I'm not sure its for this scenario? 
Sometimes its actually worse for Notos! I don't know enough to know how to 
make it optimal.

Best wishes
TT 

On Monday, 15 June 2020 14:57:40 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>  Thanks for testing! Once you had the Crusoes (new system of measurement) 
> installed in Dyna View, was performance any better? If not either
>
> 1. Having Dynaview doesn't help this kind of TW file
> 2. I implemented Dynaview incorrectly
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


> Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg: AddOns 
> or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they intended 
> the functions to be used. ... They need to support it. 
>

 So we should remove PHP (store.php), since the author is not supporting it 
and has definitely not created the saver documentation tiddler. People are 
attempting to use store.php and becoming frustrated. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread Rizwan Ishak
All in all, delete beaker browser for now and add it later when things are
more stable?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 18:29 PMario,  wrote:

> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:22:14 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless dat
>> server or just beaker browser?
>>
>
> At the moment it's Beaker-browser only!
>
> I personally do see a lot of potential in the peer to peer DAT-protocol
> ... Which is now Hypercore-protocol
> .
> ...
>
> We have been a bit early, implementing a DAT saver, which should be
> deprecated as soon as possible. It will only work using the beaker-browser
> V 0.8.x ... As the version number shows, it's a beta version and the API
> has been subject to change. ... And it did!
>
> The new beta is 1.0.0-prerelease.x, which is a completely different
> concept to V0.8.0 ... Again: It's a completely different thing. Browser and
> protocol wise. So the DAT saver won't work anymore.
>
> If Beaker 1.0 is shipped, the API is considered to be stable. See V1.0.0
> ... So they will have to be more careful, changing APIs in a compatible
> way.
>
> As I wrote, the whole "workflow" has changed considerably. Beaker browser
> now uses a "hyperdrive-deamon
> ", that is
> independent form beaker. But it's highly influenced by beaker. ...
>
> At the moment Beaker browser is the only usable GUI, that can talk to the
> deamon. It abstracts most of the complicated things away, but it has its
> own opinions how some workflows should look like.
>
> The rest of the utilities that exist are command line (CLI) based, which
> is a no-go for most of our users.
>
> I am working on a new "single file" saver, that can use the new
> Beaker-API. ... BUT the whole thing isn't very harddisk space efficient,
> because it doesn't use anything of the "good stuff" that hyperdrive
>  has to offer.
>
> So the first version, that makes sense for me, will separete the
> core-js-code from html-content, which can be done in a save way, since
> hyperdrive has a "built-in" versioning system.
>
> ... more to follow in a new thread, when the time comes!
>
> have fun!
> mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread PMario
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:22:14 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:

Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless dat 
> server or just beaker browser? 
>

At the moment it's Beaker-browser only!

I personally do see a lot of potential in the peer to peer DAT-protocol ... 
Which is now Hypercore-protocol 
.
 
... 

We have been a bit early, implementing a DAT saver, which should be 
deprecated as soon as possible. It will only work using the beaker-browser 
V 0.8.x ... As the version number shows, it's a beta version and the API 
has been subject to change. ... And it did!

The new beta is 1.0.0-prerelease.x, which is a completely different concept 
to V0.8.0 ... Again: It's a completely different thing. Browser and 
protocol wise. So the DAT saver won't work anymore. 

If Beaker 1.0 is shipped, the API is considered to be stable. See V1.0.0 
... So they will have to be more careful, changing APIs in a compatible 
way. 

As I wrote, the whole "workflow" has changed considerably. Beaker browser 
now uses a "hyperdrive-deamon 
", that is 
independent form beaker. But it's highly influenced by beaker. ... 

At the moment Beaker browser is the only usable GUI, that can talk to the 
deamon. It abstracts most of the complicated things away, but it has its 
own opinions how some workflows should look like. 

The rest of the utilities that exist are command line (CLI) based, which is 
a no-go for most of our users. 

I am working on a new "single file" saver, that can use the new Beaker-API. 
... BUT the whole thing isn't very harddisk space efficient, because it 
doesn't use anything of the "good stuff" that hyperdrive 
 has to offer.

So the first version, that makes sense for me, will separete the 
core-js-code from html-content, which can be done in a save way, since 
hyperdrive has a "built-in" versioning system. 

... more to follow in a new thread, when the time comes!

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

2020-06-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
 Thanks for testing! Once you had the Crusoes (new system of measurement) 
installed in Dyna View, was performance any better? If not either

1. Having Dynaview doesn't help this kind of TW file
2. I implemented Dynaview incorrectly

Thanks!



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[tw5] Re: Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Thank you

I look forward to trying it.

Tony

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[tw5] How to display/list all fields in tiddler description ?

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones

The quick answer is yes. You can makes templates with fields, list fields in 
the current tiddler and use a view template to display fields and there values 
even without any thing in the text field. 

Unfortunatly it's near my bed time and I am on my mobile I can share more 
tomorrow.

Night
Tony

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[tw5] A playground edition

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
I have created a playground version of tiddlywiki as a demo and would love your 
feedback.

It is live with the local storage and only a few changes from empty. It allows 
you to install plugins and reload and do other tests without downloading a copy.

Try you next experiment on it.

https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

2020-06-15 Thread TiddlyTweeter
*Notes On Performance At Scale ...*

1.* New Noto But Loading Existing Tiddlers With No Outliner fields... *Having 
played with the DYNA and non-Dyna OUTLINERs to see if they cope with 500 
Crusoes, result ... None of them can take 500 Crusoes UNLESS the extra 
fields the Outliner version needs are present already on starting noto 
instance.
So to confirm test I used "Copy Wikitext" of the Simple Doc version pasted 
it into the first TIiddler in a noto instance and In all three Outliner 
versions created correct "Crusoe" Tiddlers with proper populated fields.
*NotaBene, *sets of these Tiddlers, WITH the Outliner fields CAN THEN be 
imported/exported at scale, either with or without the Tag Tiddler.
 Dynaview version seems *no different *on this than others. (Note: none of 
these issues arise with lower numbers of Tiddlers)

*2. Test For Screenplays... *I suspect the Non-Outliner version, the one 
for simple "Docs", could be stunning for writing screenplays. I did some 
tests importing full scripts, capture to WikiText and re-import. *Well 
performative at scale!! *This is something I work on over time & maybe do a 
detailed example for.

Best wishes
TT
 

> Mark. S
>>
>> I have a version with dynaview wrapped around. You can see if that helps:
>>
>> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey-dynaview.html
>>
>> Let me know!
>>
>>
>>> *Possible Problem With Larger Numbers??* arose for me In testing the 
>>> two "Various" editions. I cannot get either to work with the 500+ Crusoes. 
>>> The wiki & browser (FF) freeze totally, restart required. This is with 
>>> exactly the same data used as the prior version with the "Crusoe" test I 
>>> posted that worked. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread Rizwan Ishak
That is a good point.

Things like server protocols require some more focus. For example WebDAV.
There ought be a more detailed steps regarding installation and usage of
specific WebDAV servers.
Some WebDAV solutions are obviously platform specific. For example, there
are WebDAV android apps. In such cases, whoever is pushing the changes
should take care to tag them appropriately and ensure that the
documentation is complete regarding that particular solution.

Also I have questions regarding DAT protocol. Does TW support headless dat
server or just beaker browser?

Meanwhile, please also remember to give everyone's input regarding what
steps you seem appropriate to guide to a new user to find appropriate
saver. One question as put forward by Jeremy is whether user needs
tiddlywiki to take care of online synchronization, or is it something they
want to handle themselves via Dropbox, Google drive etc.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 17:37 PMario,  wrote:

> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:00:55 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Are you talking about authors of the documentation, or of the original
>> method? Not all of the methods have associated authors.
>>
>
> Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg: AddOns
> or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they intended
> the functions to be used. ... They need to support it.
>
> Some elements, like WebDav are documentation only, so there may be several
> authors involved.
>
> -m
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[tw5] Re: Brute force protection ?

2020-06-15 Thread PMario


On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:05:14 AM UTC+2, Nikhil Jacob wrote:
>
> I am new to tiddlywiki and like to use it to host some of my notes on my 
> server using the node server. I am planning to use https and password to 
> protect the wiki from being edited. 
>
> Does tiddlywiki throttle / ban multiple failed attempt to login for a 
> given IP ? I could not find this information anywhere. Appreciate if anyone 
> can confirm this.
>

No. The current server configuration doesn't throttle or ban failed 
attempts. ... BUT I think it would be highly appreciated, if you would 
create PRs, if you are able to do so ;)

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

2020-06-15 Thread PMario
On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:00:55 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Are you talking about authors of the documentation, or of the original 
> method? Not all of the methods have associated authors.
>

Hi, I was talking about the authors of the original method, if eg: AddOns 
or apps are involved. IMO only the authors can decide, how they intended 
the functions to be used. ... They need to support it. 

Some elements, like WebDav are documentation only, so there may be several 
authors involved. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Max size of single html wiki file?

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
As OGNSYA says.

If you start to look at interwiki possibilities you will discover already many 
methods and opportunities.

I say assume tiddlywiki can do it and if you find it can't ask for help. 
Structure your content so you can find and export exactly what you want and you 
will be future proofed.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Folks

I am also excited about this solution but as a long time user I see many of the 
suggestions touching on either existing shortcuts or solutions out there.

Perhaps part of this solution should be providing information about existing 
features. Otherwise in future a new user, once this solution has matured, will 
find multiple answers and in each there will be extras and deficiencies. I 
plead we keep quality by ensuring consistency.

This solution appears to have a great deal of flexibility to leverage existing 
methods, so can I suggest we do our best to align these.

Please try and satisfy requirements through the customizability or standard 
tweaks as well. 

An example may be the creation of a parallel process trigger that will bypass 
an attempt to customise a global process.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Specify path for images

2020-06-15 Thread Rhod Evans
Thanks - I managed to get it to run/install.  Now all I have to do is to 
learn how to use it!
All the best
Rhod

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:11:29 AM UTC+1, Rhod Evans wrote:
>
> Thanks Joshua - some lovely photos there!  Well, I feel like a dunce.  I 
> downloaded BobOSX.command but whatever I try, I get a message that I don't 
> have sufficient priviledges to run it.  I have admin rights, I have changed 
> the permissions so that I can read & write, I have tried running it in 
> Terminal using 'sudo' but I still get the same message.  Arghhh! :)
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:38:15 AM UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rhod,
>>
>> Thanks! I like your use of texture and sense of light, it reminds me of a 
>> friend's "quantum painting method", and I am intrigued by using a 
>> tiddlywiki to track a painting in progress.
>>
>> I have a lot of my spur-of-the moment landscape photography up on 
>> Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jfontany/
>>
>> And my more technical experiments are on Art Station: 
>> https://www.artstation.com/joshuafontany
>>
>> Let me think on your situation, I might be able to come up with a good 
>> workflow for you without being too technical.
>>
>> I would start with Bob.exe, as it bundles the node-setup "behind the 
>> scenes": https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joshua F
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 10:38:48 PM UTC-7, Rhod Evans wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Joshua and thanks for responding!  Up to now I have been using the 
>>> standalone version but node.js sounds as if it can do what I want.  I've 
>>> had a look at the page you reference and I think I'll need to go through it 
>>> carefully (I'm not very technical!) and set up node.js.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to have a look at my work, check out 'rhodevansartist' on 
>>> Instagram or 'rhod.evans.art' on Facebook.  Is your work online too?
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>> Rhod
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:06:54 AM UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:

 Rhod,

 Hi! Are you using the stand-alone HTML 'flavor' of Tiddlywiki, or one 
 of the Node.js 'flavors' (Vanilla Node.js, TiddlyServer, &/or Bob/Bob.exe)?

 This is very possible in Node.js (or Bob/Bob.exe), by following this 
 tutorial. It references PDFs, and you may have to change a few things for 
 Images:


 https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders:%5B%5Btiddlywiki.files%20Files%5D%5D%20TiddlyWikiFolders

 I dabble in landscape art myself (& 3d rendering). Would love to see 
 some of your work.

 Best,
 Joshua Fontany

 On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 9:13:41 AM UTC-7, Rhod Evans wrote:
>
> Hi - is it possible to specify a path for images so that they can be 
> stored in a separate folder?  I know that I can use _canonical.uri_ but 
> this is more so that I can conveniently use a photo in one of my journal 
> entries by selecting it using the image button and for neat storage of 
> images?  I'm happy for it to be a part of the TW rather than referred to 
> (no shortage of disk space).  I may be asking the impossible here as I 
> know 
> that in order to appear in the images list it already needs to exist as a 
> separate imported tiddler but I'm just looking for a neater, quicker way 
> to 
> include images than _canonical.uri_ offers.  If there are any plugins etc 
> that can help to make it easier to use images I'd also be glad to hear of 
> them.  The reason is that as a landscape artist my journal is very image 
> heavy.  Thanks, Rhod
>
> p.s. Loving using Drift for my journaling!
>


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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

2020-06-15 Thread si
This is fantastic, great addition to tiddlywiki!

A couple of suggestions for features that might be useful:

   - A way to list open tiddlers and jump to one of them
   - A way to switch sidebar tabs from the command pallet

Anyway this is awsome

On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 18:31:24 UTC+1, Souk21 wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
>
>
> I discovered TiddlyWiki a couple weeks ago, and I set myself to use it for 
> note taking.
> I really enjoy the trip so far, it really is a interesting piece of 
> software.
> The only thing missing for me is a proper way to search with the keyboard 
> only.
>
> There’s a shortcut to focus the search field, but unfortunately, you can’t 
> navigate the results with the arrows, and you can’t close the dropdown with 
> escape.
>
>
> I looked around for a plugin, but I wasn’t able to find any that worked 
> for me.
> So, in a tiddlywiki mindset, I decided to try and make my own.
> I took a lot of inspiration from VSCode command palette.
> By default you open it with Ctrl+P, but you can change the shortcut from 
> the tw settings
> You can search tiddlers by text or with a filter expression, search tags, 
> list all tiddlers with a tag,...
> If you type ‘>’ you enter the ‘command’ mode and you can select (or 
> search) from a list of commands.
> You can access help if you type '?'
>
>
> I tried to make it the more customizable I could, there’s still work but 
> it’s already quite customizable. Most of the commands are only tiddlers!
> It’s a prototype, and my first tw plugin as well, so obviously the code is 
> a mess! It could have unexpected behavior (most probably does) and you 
> shouldn’t use it in your own wikis yet!
>
>
> I tried my best, but for now, the plugin is not really working as tw 
> expects plugins to.
> The plugin always returns ‘refresh=false’ and manages his own DOM itself, 
> storing state inside of it in the way.
> I was not sure where to ‘instantiate’ the view, so for now I’m using 
> $:/View/AboveStory which I believe is not ideal.
> So yeah, really not the tw way.
>
>
> There are still some other problems, I’m not sure how to escape a filter 
> operation parameter for example so the search sometimes returns errors
>
> Obviously it’s not really optimized yet either.
>
> I do plan to fix it and include more features (I still have a tiddler full 
> of ideas)
>
>
> I’m posting here to see what people think of this prototype and if there’s 
> any interest in such a plugin.
>
> If so, I’m probably gonna need some guidance into how things are supposed 
> to work so I can make it work more nicely with tw.
>
> Considering the state of the project, I didn’t take the time to write any 
> doc yet.
>
> You can demo it here : https://souk21.github.io/TW-commandpalette/
>
> Let me know :)
>

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[tw5] Re: Contextual Backlinks, Stroll, and Stream

2020-06-15 Thread OGNSYA
I'm using Stroll with Stream.
Indeed autocomplete is currently not working.

Backlinks appear like David said. They're just transclusions, so they are 
not editable. Also, only the node is shown (ie., not in context).

I agree it would be extremely powerful to have the features mentioned by 
vrpape.

One thing I miss in TW core is an alternative way of transcluding a tiddler 
which shows it as a live editable tiddler, like Stream does for example. 
But even in Stream there's a limitation to this. For example, if I want a 
certain node to appear as editable in multiple tiddlers, I need to manually 
edit the stream field within a tiddler. It does work though, so perhaps 
it's a possible enhancement for that plugin.


On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:09:00 AM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi vrpape,
>
> Thanks for the kind words. 
>
> Stroll displays under a tiddler, as a link or a transclusion, every 
> tiddler that backlinks to that tiddler. So if one were to combine Stroll 
> and Stream, if that can even be done (at the very least, at the moment, I 
> know Stream breaks the auto-complete), any "node" (or line) in Stream that 
> backlinks to a tiddler will display under the tiddler it backlinks to.
>
> Keep in mind that EVERY node in Stream is a separate tiddler, so Stream is 
> not for creating a huge "second brain" wiki. It looks like it will make 
> more sense for smaller projects. 
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:12:16 PM UTC-5 vrpape...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think the thing that roam does that none of the competitors that have 
>> arisen can do yet is this: when backlink references are displayed, they 
>> display the entire subtree of the node that references the page. For 
>> example, if I have [[Page 1]] and [[Page 2]], and on Page 1 I write the 
>> following: 
>>
>>
>>- stuff
>>   - [[page 2]]
>>  - more stuff
>>  - even more stuff
>> - stuff stuff
>>  - extra stuff
>>- stuff
>>
>> Then on page 2 at the bottom the following will be displayed: 
>>
>>
>>- [[page 2]]
>>   - more stuff
>>   - even more stuff
>>  - stuff stuff
>>   
>> (Though with the stuff under the [[page 2]] node collapsed). This 
>> essentially allows *writing to one page directly from another page*. For 
>> example, I can link [[Page 2]] from my daily notes, and write everything I 
>> want to appear on Page 2 under that bullet, and it's as if I'm writing it 
>> on Page 2 (in fact the content is even editable from Page 2). This is what 
>> enables the sort of workflow Andy Matuschak describes here: 
>> https://twitter.com/andy_matuschak/status/1190102757430063106, i.e. 
>> building up pages implicitly by linking to them a lot, even before they 
>> have anything properly on them. Even the contextual backlinks that Stroll 
>> provides don't allow for this level of automatic transclusion. 
>>
>> However, Saq's new Stream plugin might change this. I'm not sure how 
>> Stroll and Stream work under the hood. But if Stroll's backlinks feature 
>> had an option to essentially transclude the backlinks as a Stream, then 
>> precisely this functionality would be achieved. I don't have the technical 
>> chops to make this work right now, but I wanted to bring it to the 
>> attention of those who do (@David Gifford, @Saq), in case somebody wanted 
>> to do it at some point. In any case, I think the Stroll and Stream plugins 
>> are amazing already (thanks to Saq and David for all their hard work), and 
>> just wanted to point out this way in which they could be even more amazing 
>> if they were brought together. 
>>
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[tw5] Re: Max size of single html wiki file?

2020-06-15 Thread OGNSYA
I had the same concern. What I did is create thousands of tiddlers (you can 
do this programatically), and then do performance tests. It's very 
impressive how TW can deal with huge amounts of content. I even added an 
entire 400-page book in 1 tiddler. It takes a bit longer to open than other 
tiddlers, of course (2-3 seconds). But still totally acceptable.

Of course, you can have more than one TW as well. For example, maybe you 
have your personal TW, but then a TW just for a specific large project.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:14:56 AM UTC+1, Jake wrote:
>
> It's just I'm editing it for less than a month ang got from initial 2.2mb 
> to 3mb. I'm keeping all the images in separate folders and don't import 
> them in wiki to keep the size to the minimun. Of course I'm far from having 
> size limitations so far, but would Tiddly Desktop for example handle wiki 
> file properly if it reaches 150-200mb size? Just wondering for the future 
> to figure out how soon I would better start splitting it into smaller 
> separate themed wikis.
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

2020-06-15 Thread Adam S.


On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 11:51:57 AM UTC+2, Adam S. wrote:
>
> Thank you for the quick fix and the update! Great work!
> Nice feature to have selections auto-populate the search field!
>
> I have an idea that might increase usability or speed of operation: how 
> about, after entering commands, having shortcuts for them? Like 1 for save, 
> 2 for close all tiddlers etc. this would be configurable (or not) and the 
> list would contain small little numbers on the right side (like the hints 
> that are already there at other parts) to know which one is what number. If 
> it's possible it'd be neat if there would be no need for hitting enter 
> either, typing one would select save wiki and execute the command as well. 
> Users who use the command palette would learn these (or configure them) and 
> operate with it much faster. ctrl+shift+p, 1, and the wiki is saved (or any 
> other command) as opposed to ctrl+shift+p, sa, down arrow, enter (or 
> ctrl+shift+p, save w, enter, doesn't matter, the number solution is faster 
> either way)
> Sadly I have no clue how this could be (or even if it could be) 
> implemented, but maybe you'll find it an interesting idea!
>
> Regarding the welcome tiddler: I think this works, but I didn't have a 
> problem with the previous one either.
>
> I see theming on your roadmap, if you mean creating visual styles for it, 
> I wonder if it could be at least partially sidestepped by having the colors 
> conform to the tiddlywiki palette (color palette). This would be helpful 
> for folks (like me) who use two themes, a light one during the day and a 
> dark one after the sun went down. I tried to edit the css of the plugin but 
> writing <> and other tiddlywiki colors didn't work.
> In the meantime I made a dark version with the included css that works 
> better with dark themes.
> (I also attached a simple scrollbar css that I've been using because the 
> scrollbar defaults to a bright scrollbar for me everywhere.)
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Local Search Engine - Passing search parameters from address bar

2020-06-15 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Where can I find this SearchWikis plugin? I searched the forum butt 
couldn't find anything relevant here or in the plugins library

On Monday, 15 June 2020 04:01:52 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Wow, this is wonderful! Using Searchwikis plugin and this solution 
> provided by Duarte,
> you can have a powerful search engine for local wikis!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:17 PM Duarte Farrajota Ramos <
> duarte...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> The %s string is a common placeholder for search terms, not something 
>> you would enter literally into the address bar.
>> Say you setup a firefox bookmark with name My Wiki, address file:
>> ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]] and alias wiki.
>> If you then type into the address bar the alias followed by a space then 
>> a search term like say  wiki personal notes it would then automatically 
>> resolve the address and take you to 
>> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[personal 
>> notes]] .
>>
>> If you literally type  file:
>> ///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]  into the address bar it 
>> will apparently show a javascript error, if you want to just type directly 
>> you would have to actually write  
>> file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[my 
>> search terms]] manually.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 06:36:24 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record if anyone else wants to know how, you can simply add to 
>>> your browser something like
>>>
 file:///D:/TiddlyWiki.html#:[!is[system]search[%s]]
 and it will behave like any search engine. Works both for Chrome-alike 
 as from the search engine list, and for Firefox as a regular bookmark with 
 an alias.

>>>
>>> :[!is[system]search[%s]] gave mw a Javascript error but useing a normal 
>>> search term instead of % worked fine.
>>>
>>> An note to any one reading-- a lag before anythng displays is normal 
>>> when using a filter in the permalink.
>>>
>>>
>>> This trick can also be used with Google docs and sheets (though not 
>>> tested with a local wiki): 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/dR8hVQYR2P8/QSLZB-HkDwAJ
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

2020-06-15 Thread Adam S.
Thank you for the quick fix and the update! Great work!
Nice feature to have selections auto-populate the search field!

I have an idea that might increase usability or speed of operation: how 
about, after entering commands, having shortcuts for them? Like 1 for save, 
2 for close all tiddlers etc. this would be configurable (or not) and the 
list would contain small little numbers on the right side (like the hints 
that are already there at other parts) to know which one is what number. If 
it's possible it'd be neat if there would be no need for hitting enter 
either, typing one would select save wiki and execute the command as well. 
Users who use the command palette would learn these (or configure them) and 
operate with it much faster. ctrl+shift+p, 1, and the wiki is saved (or any 
other command) as opposed to ctrl+shift+p, sa, down arrow, enter (or 
ctrl+shift+p, save w, enter, doesn't matter, the number solution is faster 
either way)
Sadly I have no clue how this could be (or even if it could be) 
implemented, but maybe you'll find it an interesting idea!

Regarding the welcome tiddler: I think this works, but I didn't have a 
problem with the previous one either.

I see theming on your roadmap, if you mean creating visual styles for it, I 
wonder if it could be at least partially sidestepped by having the colors 
conform to the tiddlywiki palette (color palette). This would be helpful 
for folks (like me) who use two themes, a light one during the day and a 
dark one after the sun went down. I tried to edit the css of the plugin but 
writing <> and other tiddlywiki colors didn't work.
In the meantime I made a dark version with the included css that works 
better with dark themes.
(I also attached a simple scrollbar css that I've been using because the 
scrollbar defaults to a bright scrollbar for me everywhere.)

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:59:59 AM UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Fantastic for the changes and updates
>
> The last question, yes I am more interested in opening it in > mode but 
> being Abel to assign shortcuts to each including would be nice but not 
> essential.
>
> Love your work
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Max size of single html wiki file?

2020-06-15 Thread 'Jake' via TiddlyWiki
It's just I'm editing it for less than a month ang got from initial 2.2mb 
to 3mb. I'm keeping all the images in separate folders and don't import 
them in wiki to keep the size to the minimun. Of course I'm far from having 
size limitations so far, but would Tiddly Desktop for example handle wiki 
file properly if it reaches 150-200mb size? Just wondering for the future 
to figure out how soon I would better start splitting it into smaller 
separate themed wikis.

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[tw5] Re: Specify path for images

2020-06-15 Thread Rhod Evans
Thanks Joshua - some lovely photos there!  Well, I feel like a dunce.  I 
downloaded BobOSX.command but whatever I try, I get a message that I don't 
have sufficient priviledges to run it.  I have admin rights, I have changed 
the permissions so that I can read & write, I have tried running it in 
Terminal using 'sudo' but I still get the same message.  Arghhh! :)

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:38:15 AM UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Hi Rhod,
>
> Thanks! I like your use of texture and sense of light, it reminds me of a 
> friend's "quantum painting method", and I am intrigued by using a 
> tiddlywiki to track a painting in progress.
>
> I have a lot of my spur-of-the moment landscape photography up on 
> Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jfontany/
>
> And my more technical experiments are on Art Station: 
> https://www.artstation.com/joshuafontany
>
> Let me think on your situation, I might be able to come up with a good 
> workflow for you without being too technical.
>
> I would start with Bob.exe, as it bundles the node-setup "behind the 
> scenes": https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> Best,
>
> Joshua F
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 10:38:48 PM UTC-7, Rhod Evans wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joshua and thanks for responding!  Up to now I have been using the 
>> standalone version but node.js sounds as if it can do what I want.  I've 
>> had a look at the page you reference and I think I'll need to go through it 
>> carefully (I'm not very technical!) and set up node.js.
>>
>> If you'd like to have a look at my work, check out 'rhodevansartist' on 
>> Instagram or 'rhod.evans.art' on Facebook.  Is your work online too?
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Rhod
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:06:54 AM UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>>
>>> Rhod,
>>>
>>> Hi! Are you using the stand-alone HTML 'flavor' of Tiddlywiki, or one of 
>>> the Node.js 'flavors' (Vanilla Node.js, TiddlyServer, &/or Bob/Bob.exe)?
>>>
>>> This is very possible in Node.js (or Bob/Bob.exe), by following this 
>>> tutorial. It references PDFs, and you may have to change a few things for 
>>> Images:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders:%5B%5Btiddlywiki.files%20Files%5D%5D%20TiddlyWikiFolders
>>>
>>> I dabble in landscape art myself (& 3d rendering). Would love to see 
>>> some of your work.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 9:13:41 AM UTC-7, Rhod Evans wrote:

 Hi - is it possible to specify a path for images so that they can be 
 stored in a separate folder?  I know that I can use _canonical.uri_ but 
 this is more so that I can conveniently use a photo in one of my journal 
 entries by selecting it using the image button and for neat storage of 
 images?  I'm happy for it to be a part of the TW rather than referred to 
 (no shortage of disk space).  I may be asking the impossible here as I 
 know 
 that in order to appear in the images list it already needs to exist as a 
 separate imported tiddler but I'm just looking for a neater, quicker way 
 to 
 include images than _canonical.uri_ offers.  If there are any plugins etc 
 that can help to make it easier to use images I'd also be glad to hear of 
 them.  The reason is that as a landscape artist my journal is very image 
 heavy.  Thanks, Rhod

 p.s. Loving using Drift for my journaling!

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Fantastic for the changes and updates

The last question, yes I am more interested in opening it in > mode but being 
Abel to assign shortcuts to each including would be nice but not essential.

Love your work
Tony

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[tw5] Brute force protection ?

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
This will depend on what authentication you use, it is mostly likely part of 
the server or host you use and you could add additional protection on the front.

I believe the most security comes from using a proxy.

Tell us more about your current setup and authentication and others will help.

Tony

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[tw5] Max size of single html wiki file?

2020-06-15 Thread TW Tones
Jake

I am afraid this is like the proverbial question how long is a piece of string. 
Not only that but how much do you need?.

without internal media tiddlywiki can hold more than an encyclopedia. With 
external media or server implementations and skinny tiddlers even more.

10 to 15mb single file wikis are common and wikis with more than 66000 tiddlers 
exist.

Tiddlywiki loads into memory and runs from there. A splash screen will give a 
large wiki a loading message but once loaded can be fast. However since 
tiddlywiki does what you ask you can easily ask too much as a result some 
performance hacks can improve speed even further.

Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] Max size of single html wiki file?

2020-06-15 Thread 'Jake' via TiddlyWiki
A short question: What is the maximum size (in terms of megabytes) of a 
single html wiki file? I know it probably depends on your system RAM, but 
"in general", what is the reasonable maximum size to operate without lags, 
freezes, etc?

I searched the forum, but couldn't find the answer.

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[tw5] Re: Specify path for images

2020-06-15 Thread Joshua Fontany
Hi Rhod,

Thanks! I like you use of texture and sense of light, it reminds me of a 
friend's "quantum painting method", and I am intrigued by using a 
tiddlywiki to track a painting in progress.

I have a lot of my spur-of-the moment landscape photography up on 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jfontany/

And my more technical experiments are on Art Station: 
https://www.artstation.com/joshuafontany

Let me think on your situation, I might be able to come up with a good 
workflow for you without being too technical.

I would start with Bob.exe, as it bundles the node-setup "behind the 
scenes": https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases

Best,

Joshua F


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 10:38:48 PM UTC-7, Rhod Evans wrote:
>
> Hi Joshua and thanks for responding!  Up to now I have been using the 
> standalone version but node.js sounds as if it can do what I want.  I've 
> had a look at the page you reference and I think I'll need to go through it 
> carefully (I'm not very technical!) and set up node.js.
>
> If you'd like to have a look at my work, check out 'rhodevansartist' on 
> Instagram or 'rhod.evans.art' on Facebook.  Is your work online too?
>
> Thanks again
> Rhod
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:06:54 AM UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>
>> Rhod,
>>
>> Hi! Are you using the stand-alone HTML 'flavor' of Tiddlywiki, or one of 
>> the Node.js 'flavors' (Vanilla Node.js, TiddlyServer, &/or Bob/Bob.exe)?
>>
>> This is very possible in Node.js (or Bob/Bob.exe), by following this 
>> tutorial. It references PDFs, and you may have to change a few things for 
>> Images:
>>
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders:%5B%5Btiddlywiki.files%20Files%5D%5D%20TiddlyWikiFolders
>>
>> I dabble in landscape art myself (& 3d rendering). Would love to see some 
>> of your work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 9:13:41 AM UTC-7, Rhod Evans wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi - is it possible to specify a path for images so that they can be 
>>> stored in a separate folder?  I know that I can use _canonical.uri_ but 
>>> this is more so that I can conveniently use a photo in one of my journal 
>>> entries by selecting it using the image button and for neat storage of 
>>> images?  I'm happy for it to be a part of the TW rather than referred to 
>>> (no shortage of disk space).  I may be asking the impossible here as I know 
>>> that in order to appear in the images list it already needs to exist as a 
>>> separate imported tiddler but I'm just looking for a neater, quicker way to 
>>> include images than _canonical.uri_ offers.  If there are any plugins etc 
>>> that can help to make it easier to use images I'd also be glad to hear of 
>>> them.  The reason is that as a landscape artist my journal is very image 
>>> heavy.  Thanks, Rhod
>>>
>>> p.s. Loving using Drift for my journaling!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Help to import .csv as separate tiddlers

2020-06-15 Thread Jon
Thanks Joshua and for the extra bit about the message. 

After using your suggestion for the filtering syntax, I actually like the 
idea of keeping everything bundled as a plugin - what I've imported is 19 
years' worth of diary entries, so I'm not going to edit them anyway and I 
like the warning message which pops up if I attempt to (but it's good to 
know I can unpack them if needed). After opening, they also don't appear in 
the recent tab which also suits me by keeping that free.

Just as an aside, I noticed that I wasn't able to drag and drop the diary 
plugin into another wiki - nothing is imported.

Thanks again.
Jon

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 23:41:57 UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Excellent work figuring out the Filter syntax needed to set the title!
>
> Handling all the possibilities around CSV data in a flexible way was a 
> complicated problem, so thank you for the feedback (notes for the next 
> version's UI, which is a while out).
>
> In order to get rid of the shadow tiddler warning, once you have confirmed 
> that the source plugin is unpacked to your specs, you can simply delete the 
> source plugin tiddler. It will leave all the "modified" tiddlers behind.
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 9:22:56 AM UTC-7, Jon wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> A bit more experimenting and yes, it does appear that using another field 
>> for the created date does allow for correct sorting etc.
>>
>> I also found that adding a 'tags' column in the spreadsheet is respected 
>> for the import and so a tag is added to each tiddler.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Regards
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 16:32:11 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>> Just played around with this a bit and having the 'title' in the 1st 
>>> column of the spreadsheet, setting the primary key to 0 and then 
>>> putting [] in the box for the shadow name filter names the 
>>> resulting tiddlers with the 'title' field - so all good!
>>>
>>> With regard to the creation date,  if I gave it a different name (so 
>>> that it is imported), I suppose I could still perform ordering  and 
>>> searching etc. in the same way.
>>>
>>> Good to have some confirmation of this before I go any further.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 12:37:24 UTC+1, Jon wrote:

 Hi Joshua,

 The unpacking worked really well and things are looking promising but 
 there are few glitches I can't get past.

 For the .csv file to import, I included the fieldnames 'title' 'text' & 
 'created'.

 The text field appeared in the body of the tiddler as it should but the 
 created & title fields appear to be absent.

 Instead, the name of the tiddler is derived from the name of the 
 plug-in.

 I noticed there is an option to define the primary key and as the title 
 field is in the first row of the spreadsheet,  I chose the column 0 
 option. 
 This created a name for each tiddler which includes the contents of the 
 'title' field but combined with the name of the plugin - so perhaps a bit 
 of tweaking will solve this easily.

 Also, I notice that for the unpacked tiddlers, there is still a message 
 which appears in edit mode:

 "This is a modified shadow tiddler. You can revert to the default 
 version in the plugin Data/Metrics - HH by deleting this tiddler"

 Regards
 Jon


 This is a modified shadow tiddler. You can revert to the default 
 version in the plugin Data/Metrics - HH by deleting this tiddler

 On Sunday, 14 June 2020 07:25:46 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Joshua,
>
> many thanks for getting back to me with the missing piece.
>
> I'll have a go later and report back.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 00:46:13 UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon, author of JsonMangler here. I setup the import to package the 
>> imported tiddlers into a plugin to have a simple way of 
>> overwriting.updating/deleting a whole import at once.
>>
>> The way that tiddlywiki is setup, "shadow" tiddlers are full tiddlers 
>> in the system (beware of confusing this with "system" tiddlers that 
>> start 
>> with "$:/" because something can be both a shadow and a system tiddler).
>>
>> Meaning that you can search for and/or filter-query any "shadow" 
>> tiddler just like any other tiddler, BUT you have to start your filter 
>> runs 
>> with `all[shadows+tiddlers]` instead of the default (asumed if missing) 
>> `all[tiddlers]`. The one special feature of shadow tiddlers is that you 
>> can 
>> edit them, creating a "regular" tiddler of that name to store the edits, 
>> and then if you delete the edited version the "backup/shadow" version is 
>> immediately referenced in its place.
>>
>> For example, after importing the Video Games CSV in my example wiki, 
>> you can hit the