[tw5] Couple of questions regarding tocP plugin.

[W Yan]

1. Upon installing tocP plugin it creates two buttons - [New child -> "parent: Tiddler"] and [Create a new Child tiddler & add 'parent' field]. As far as I know they do the same thing. Is there any difference between those two buttons? 2. I've been comparing toc with tags (default method) and fields (tocP method) and the result seem same to me. Could anyone explain what are the advantages of using fields instead of tags to create toc? W Yan



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[tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[Mohammad]

Tiddlywiki is rapidly improving and you can see great features in the 
recent releases. 
>From 2.1.17+ amazing features have been added to Tiddlywiki! One question 
is about the size of empty.html (the virgin Tiddlywiki). See the below table

Release   Size (kb)
5.1.12   1820
5.1.15   2025
5.1.17   2033
5.1.19   2153
5.1.21   2235
5.1.22   2197
5.1.12   2282

While I love the new features, but, how big a virgin Tiddlywiki  can be? 
Assuming many users work with single file mode and using different 
Tiddlywiki for different purposes, I think we should set a maximum size, 
before going to have bigger empty.html


Suggestions
*A. Use official plugins*
1. Keep the core as light as possible, go down to 1MB size (strip 
everything extra)
2. Put extra features in official plugins

*B. Start a new generation *
1.Release TW 5.2 with minimum size core (include only essential part)
2. Leave all backward compatibility to Tiddlywiki 5.1.xx
3. Stop developing 5.1.xx and only release bug fixes

If Jeremy can go for a new generation of Tiddlywiki, I may also suggest
1. Sweep the core from all duplicated codes and those retained backward 
compatibility and leave them for 5.1.xx
2. Rethink about filters and implement using the more versatile approach, 
like those are going on in GitHub (e.g. Saq proposal for multi input 
filters)
3. Use flexible switchable page layout
4. Think for a cleaner scripting (remove all duplication, improved grammar, 
... there is a lot of good discussions in the forum and GitHub)
5. Think of a new name (re-branding)
6. ...

I am sure people can suggest more here


Best wishes
Mohammad

TW-Scripts  codes, macros, and 
solutions in Tiddlywiki
TW-Commander  bulk operations on 
tiddlers
TW-Trashbin  a Tiddlywiki trashbin 
tool
TW-Favorites  a favorites and 
bookmarking tool
TW-Todolist  organize, prioritize, 
and plan your work

https://github.com/kookma

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[tw5] Filter table of contents recursively

[Jon Dyer]

At this link there are basic instructions for changing the sort order of 
the table of contents using the toc macro: 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20change%20the%20sort%20order%20of%20sub-branches%20in%20a%20TOC%20macro
 (. 
I would like to have more control over how the actual tagging/filtering is 
done. Specifically, I would like to recursively apply a filter so that any 
list items that are tagged with a sub-category are excluded from the parent 
category, even if they are also tagged with the parent category.

Let me illustrate. I got it to work using the *list* field in the parent 
category with the *list-links* macro like so:

<] -[{!!list}split[ ]tagging[]]">>

with a *list* field like this:
Subcategory1 Subcategory2


But try as I might I can't get a similar thing to work in the Table of 
Contents. Things like the following don't work:

<>



Or hacks like this:

<>



I've spent too many hours on this now (not wasted though! I've learned much 
about filters in TW). Any tips on how to achieve what I want? I'm sure 
there's a clever set of filters that I just can't quite get right. I'm also 
not afraid to edit the core toc macro if needs be. Thanks!

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[tw5] Changing the background color for tabs?

[Tiddly Novice]

Is there a way to change the background color and border color for just the 
contents area of a tabs widget? And for bonus points: is there a way to 
change the contents area styles based on what tab is open or what tiddler 
is being transcluded by the currently open tab?

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[tw5] HOWTO: Upload files/images to cloud storage automatically

[Carlos R]

I am using nodejs version and I want a way to automatically upload files to 
a cloud storage service such as dropbox. Has anyone attempted this? I like 
to take screen shots with my notes and it's a bit cumbersome to have to 
manually link files/images.

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: How to move media files to external location in Bob Linux version 1.6.0?

[skaczm...@gmail.com]

Thanks, I found it, but unfortunately it doesn't work well. Images are 
indeed saved to ./files directory, but in RootWiki instead of IndexWiki 
(not surer why) and they are not displayed in tiddlers anymore, even after 
restarting wiki. Please note, that I have enabled media server as well and 
newly imported images appear in ./files directory of IndexWiki and are well 
displayed.

poniedziałek, 2 listopada 2020 o 21:53:07 UTC+1 inmy...@gmail.com 
napisał(a):

> The button is in the $:/ControlPanel, go to the Bob tab and then click on 
> Server Settings and scroll down a little to see the button.
>
> Make sure you back up all your data first.
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 7:49:14 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have quite big wiki with a lot of jpg files. I recently faced some 
>> memory issues, so I thought, that moving all media files to external 
>> location might improve the way this wiki works.
>>
>> In version 1.4.0 of Bob Linux, there was button in settings called ""Make 
>> images external" and if I remember correctly it was doing the thing I want 
>> to do now, but the problem is, that I cannot locate a similar button in 
>> version 1.6.0 of Bob Linux server.
>>
>> Anyone has a clue, how can I do that?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to move media files to external location in Bob Linux version 1.6.0?

[Jed Carty]

The button is in the $:/ControlPanel, go to the Bob tab and then click on 
Server Settings and scroll down a little to see the button.

Make sure you back up all your data first.

On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 7:49:14 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I have quite big wiki with a lot of jpg files. I recently faced some 
> memory issues, so I thought, that moving all media files to external 
> location might improve the way this wiki works.
>
> In version 1.4.0 of Bob Linux, there was button in settings called ""Make 
> images external" and if I remember correctly it was doing the thing I want 
> to do now, but the problem is, that I cannot locate a similar button in 
> version 1.6.0 of Bob Linux server.
>
> Anyone has a clue, how can I do that?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

It feels silly replying to myself, but...

Some possibilities are:

   - mxgraph - this is the basis for draw.io, which has a GUI,   A GUI 
   is not strictly necessary, but would be handy for some things - free
   - JointJS - Seems to support the usual diagram types, including BPMN free
   - yEd - I really like the layout options, being able to import SVG 
   nodes.  It is free for any use, but if the underlying libraries (yFiles) 
   are to be used, they have commercial licencing..

The trick is finding someone with the chops to be able to integrate 
something like one of these, then stick around to update from time to 
time.  I get the impression that most people are not really interested in 
diagrams to sit alongside the notes in a tiddler.  The closest thing so far 
is viz and railroad, which are both rather limited.


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:

> Hi Victor,
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if 
> it is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
> internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
> self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
> sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
> which I have tried out are:
> * Mermaid
> * Graphviz
> * Railroad
> * Tidgraph
> * edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>
>> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
>> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>>
>> KR, 
>> Victor 
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, 
>>> then are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it 
>>> works reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable 
>>> ways of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
>>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
>>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
 I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and 
 GANTT do not.


 On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>  , 
> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Sean
>>
>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>
>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type 
>> of graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I 
>> get 
>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen 
>> capture 
>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
>> method 
>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>
>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was 
>> interested. 
>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>
>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I 
>> sometimes encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core 
>> is 
>> there and functional.
>>
>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Confusion on variables and parameters

[Jon Dyer]

Thank you very much for the explanation! This was very helpful.


On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:27 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The $variable$ variables only work with parameters from the macro -- you 
> can't assign them inside the macro.
>
> For variables that you create, you have to use the <> 
> nomenclature, except inside a filter expression in which case you can use 
> operator nomenclature.
>
> Just to confuse things more, inside your macro you could also refer to the 
> parameters like this
>
> <<__title__>>  and <<__label__>>
>
> This will get the default the way you want. I'm not sure why you're using 
> the text widget instead of just placing the text, but anyways ...
>
> \define mymac(title,label)
>
> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
> 
> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
> 
>
> <$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
> emptyValue="""$title$""">
> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
> 
> <$text text="""Label: """/>
> <$text text=<>/>
>
> 
>
> \end
>
> <>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 9:53:13 AM UTC-8, Jon Dyer wrote:
>>
>> I think I'm not understanding something essential about access to 
>> variables vs. params in macros and Wikitext. Suppose in a macro I'm writing 
>> I want one variable to default to the value of another if it isn't present. 
>> I've tried to use the SetWidget to make this work, but no matter what I try 
>> I can't seem to overwrite the parameter value with what I have in the 
>> <$set...> part. Can you tell what I'm doing wrong?
>>
>> For a concrete example:
>>
>> \define mymac(title,label)
>>
>> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
>> 
>> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
>> 
>>
>> <$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
>> emptyValue="""$title$""">
>> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
>> 
>> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
>> 
>>
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Confusion on variables and parameters

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The $variable$ variables only work with parameters from the macro -- you 
can't assign them inside the macro.

For variables that you create, you have to use the <> 
nomenclature, except inside a filter expression in which case you can use 
operator nomenclature.

Just to confuse things more, inside your macro you could also refer to the 
parameters like this

<<__title__>>  and <<__label__>>

This will get the default the way you want. I'm not sure why you're using 
the text widget instead of just placing the text, but anyways ...

\define mymac(title,label)

<$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>

<$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>


<$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
emptyValue="""$title$""">
<$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>

<$text text="""Label: """/>
<$text text=<>/>



\end

<>



On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 9:53:13 AM UTC-8, Jon Dyer wrote:
>
> I think I'm not understanding something essential about access to 
> variables vs. params in macros and Wikitext. Suppose in a macro I'm writing 
> I want one variable to default to the value of another if it isn't present. 
> I've tried to use the SetWidget to make this work, but no matter what I try 
> I can't seem to overwrite the parameter value with what I have in the 
> <$set...> part. Can you tell what I'm doing wrong?
>
> For a concrete example:
>
> \define mymac(title,label)
>
> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
> 
> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
> 
>
> <$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
> emptyValue="""$title$""">
> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
> 
> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
> 
>
> \end
>
> <>
>
>

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[tw5] How to move media files to external location in Bob Linux version 1.6.0?

[skaczm...@gmail.com]

Hi,

I have quite big wiki with a lot of jpg files. I recently faced some memory 
issues, so I thought, that moving all media files to external location 
might improve the way this wiki works.

In version 1.4.0 of Bob Linux, there was button in settings called ""Make 
images external" and if I remember correctly it was doing the thing I want 
to do now, but the problem is, that I cannot locate a similar button in 
version 1.6.0 of Bob Linux server.

Anyone has a clue, how can I do that?

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[tw5] Confusion on variables and parameters

[Jon Dyer]

I think I'm not understanding something essential about access to variables 
vs. params in macros and Wikitext. Suppose in a macro I'm writing I want 
one variable to default to the value of another if it isn't present. I've 
tried to use the SetWidget to make this work, but no matter what I try I 
can't seem to overwrite the parameter value with what I have in the 
<$set...> part. Can you tell what I'm doing wrong?

For a concrete example:

\define mymac(title,label)

<$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>

<$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>


<$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
emptyValue="""$title$""">
<$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>

<$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>


\end

<>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao V.

Its only as huge as the number you tag.

*Noto is stellar at the evolution/maintenance of Wiki quickly.*

I do agree that the invoke of Noto only through TAGGERY is a limitation.

Its a RECURSIVE issue. What I mean is that management of more complex Wiki 
involves lots of issues. 
A major one being "How Many Things Did I Tag Already The Same? Is that 
Optimal?"

Best wishes
TT

On Monday, 2 November 2020 15:52:26 UTC+1, V wrote:
>
> Mark, TiddlyTweeter,
>
> Sounds good, but I am a little confused by the huge number of tiddlers 
> that are obtained when using this approach. It seems to me that it would 
> not be very manageable. What do you think?
>
> понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 17:19:54 UTC+3, TiddlyTweeter: 
>
>> Speaking practically. Of all the several solutions Mark's approach I find 
>> most lightweight and easy to use.
>> It has changed how I use TW.
>>
>> The only caveat is it depends on TAGGING to work.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:23:03 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe look at
>>>
>>> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
>>>
>>> paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
>>> preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too chopped 
>>> up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.
>>>
>>> Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click from 
>>> time to time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:

 Hi there.
 I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing to 
 my remote DB server.

 But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I can 
 in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and autosaving.

 Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing long 
 text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), I need 
 to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.

 I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
 text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).

 If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
 maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
 versions.

 Thanks.



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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mark needs to know that so he can fix it.

Best
TT

On Monday, 2 November 2020 15:59:24 UTC+1, V wrote:
>
> And on mobile screen the save/cancel buttons are hidden 
> in NotoWritey demo, so I'm not sure how to work with it. But it should be 
> easy to solve after a couple of lines of code.
> понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 17:52:26 UTC+3, V: 
>
>> Mark, TiddlyTweeter,
>>
>> Sounds good, but I am a little confused by the huge number of tiddlers 
>> that are obtained when using this approach. It seems to me that it would 
>> not be very manageable. What do you think?
>>
>> понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 17:19:54 UTC+3, TiddlyTweeter: 
>>
>>> Speaking practically. Of all the several solutions Mark's approach I 
>>> find most lightweight and easy to use.
>>> It has changed how I use TW.
>>>
>>> The only caveat is it depends on TAGGING to work.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:23:03 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

 Maybe look at

 https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html

 paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
 preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too 
 chopped 
 up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.

 Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click 
 from time to time.


 On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:
>
> Hi there.
> I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing 
> to my remote DB server.
>
> But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I 
> can in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and 
> autosaving.
>
> Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing 
> long text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), 
> I 
> need to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.
>
> I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
> text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).
>
> If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
> maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
> versions.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Concerns from a non-tech newbie

[V]

NoteSelf (it is a separate version of TW) should help with both problems. 
It uses IndexedDB (PouchDB) in browser and CouchDB for syncing between 
devices. So:

   1. File won't become larger, loading won't become slower
   2. Syncing with different tabs should be OK

четверг, 29 октября 2020 г. в 21:14:11 UTC+3, IvanPsy: 

> Greetings,
>
> I'm evaluating TiddlyWiki over other txt based solutions (such as Obsidian 
> and similar), so I have some questions.
> My apologies if they are non-realistic questions: I'm not a tech :-)
>
> - How big can be a TiddlyWiki before slowing down or causing troubles when 
> opening it?
> I have some Gb on Apple Notes, since I store also images and long PDFs.
> My fear is storing all my stuff on a single file may slow down or causing 
> other troubles.
>
> - TiddlyWiki runs on HTML and Java, is it?
> What if the browsers discontinued them in the future, (as it happened to 
> Flash)?
> Is it a realistic scenario?
> I'm always looking for an exit plan.
> And: what if I wanted to export the tiddlers in different txt (or other 
> formats) files?
>
> - Can I have the same TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same 
> time without having the two versions conflict each other?
> I'm used to work on many projects at the same time, so I usually have many 
> windows of Apple Notes open at the same time.
> How about TiddlyWiki?
>
> Thank you!
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[V]

And on mobile screen the save/cancel buttons are hidden in NotoWritey demo, 
so I'm not sure how to work with it. But it should be easy to solve after a 
couple of lines of code.
понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 17:52:26 UTC+3, V: 

> Mark, TiddlyTweeter,
>
> Sounds good, but I am a little confused by the huge number of tiddlers 
> that are obtained when using this approach. It seems to me that it would 
> not be very manageable. What do you think?
>
> понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 17:19:54 UTC+3, TiddlyTweeter: 
>
>> Speaking practically. Of all the several solutions Mark's approach I find 
>> most lightweight and easy to use.
>> It has changed how I use TW.
>>
>> The only caveat is it depends on TAGGING to work.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:23:03 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe look at
>>>
>>> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
>>>
>>> paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
>>> preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too chopped 
>>> up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.
>>>
>>> Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click from 
>>> time to time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:

 Hi there.
 I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing to 
 my remote DB server.

 But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I can 
 in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and autosaving.

 Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing long 
 text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), I need 
 to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.

 I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
 text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).

 If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
 maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
 versions.

 Thanks.



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[tw5] Re: Concerns from a non-tech newbie

[TiddlyTweeter]

Keelan Cook wrote:
>
>
> I believe your notes are more future-proof in a TiddlyWiki than they are 
> in most other note-taking tools. It's been mentioned in other comments so 
> far, but an HTML file is essentially a text file than can be human readable 
> even if the unthinkable happened and there was a wholesale shift away from 
> browsers reading HTML to render websites. Futhermore, it really seems 
> unthinkable for HTML and browsers that read it to go away. From my limited 
> understanding they appear to be the backbone of the (frontend of the) 
> internet. I use a Chromebook personally and more and more it seems 
> computers are really just gateways to connect us to the internet to do 
> everything. So, I think we're safe with HTML documents for a very long time.


This is a VERY important issue if you are concerned LONG TERM. The history 
of tech on-net is *littered with casualties.*

 TW is a very good BEST BET where you need TEXT (HTML), BEAUTY (CSS) and 
INTELLIGENCE (JavaScript) forever. 
All three standards are here to stay and are backwards compatible. I've 
tested with age-old TW they work.

To give an example: On a 2014 Android phone the BROWSER is totally kaput, 
but the TW from then is absolutely FINE.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[V]

Mark, TiddlyTweeter,

Sounds good, but I am a little confused by the huge number of tiddlers that 
are obtained when using this approach. It seems to me that it would not be 
very manageable. What do you think?

понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 17:19:54 UTC+3, TiddlyTweeter: 

> Speaking practically. Of all the several solutions Mark's approach I find 
> most lightweight and easy to use.
> It has changed how I use TW.
>
> The only caveat is it depends on TAGGING to work.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
> On Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:23:03 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Maybe look at
>>
>> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
>>
>> paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
>> preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too chopped 
>> up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.
>>
>> Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click from 
>> time to time.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there.
>>> I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing to 
>>> my remote DB server.
>>>
>>> But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I can 
>>> in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and autosaving.
>>>
>>> Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing long 
>>> text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), I need 
>>> to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.
>>>
>>> I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
>>> text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).
>>>
>>> If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
>>> maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Speaking practically. Of all the several solutions Mark's approach I find 
most lightweight and easy to use.
It has changed how I use TW.

The only caveat is it depends on TAGGING to work.

Best wishes
TT

On Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:23:03 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Maybe look at
>
> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
>
> paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
> preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too chopped 
> up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.
>
> Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click from 
> time to time.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:
>>
>> Hi there.
>> I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing to 
>> my remote DB server.
>>
>> But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I can 
>> in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and autosaving.
>>
>> Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing long 
>> text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), I need 
>> to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.
>>
>> I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
>> text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).
>>
>> If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
>> maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
>> versions.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[Saq Imtiaz]

@V this is a proof of concept only but might be of interest if you decide 
to implement your own solution:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/qmIgTgn6nOc/84xyD2OKBwAJ

The brittle part is the wikitext -> HTML -> wikitext roundtrip conversion.

However if you are happy to write and save plain text or HTML that would 
considerably simplify things.


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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[V]

Thanks, Mark & Tones.

Maybe I would try to implement editable viewmode with autosaving for 
tiddlers, first for "text/html" format. Once upon a time, I was a JS 
developer and created tons of iterfaces.
Advice me please, where could I read the most updated info regarding plugin 
development standarts & methods? 

In fact, for the "text/html" minimal version it shouldn't be difficult – 
set contenteditable="true" for viewmode, then update the tidler content 
when the container changes. Maybe, someone can even advice certain method, 
that is responsible for saving current tiddler?
понедельник, 2 ноября 2020 г. в 11:53:24 UTC+3, TW Tones: 

> Also see my reply here 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/pQnjszzKAQg/SCYEhgtdAAAJ
>
>
> On Monday, 2 November 2020 09:23:03 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Maybe look at
>>
>> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
>>
>> paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
>> preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too chopped 
>> up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.
>>
>> Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click from 
>> time to time.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there.
>>> I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing to 
>>> my remote DB server.
>>>
>>> But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I can 
>>> in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and autosaving.
>>>
>>> Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing long 
>>> text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), I need 
>>> to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.
>>>
>>> I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
>>> text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).
>>>
>>> If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
>>> maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a plugin for live edit in view mode?

[TW Tones]

Also see my reply 
here https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/pQnjszzKAQg/SCYEhgtdAAAJ

On Monday, 2 November 2020 09:23:03 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Maybe look at
>
> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
>
> paragraphs are broken into tiddlers. Or you can designate some other 
> preferred way to chop up your working tiddlers. When things get too chopped 
> up, you can use the tools to put together the wiktext again. Rinse, repeat.
>
> Hmm. Don't think it auto-saves. So you do have to remember to click from 
> time to time.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-8, V wrote:
>>
>> Hi there.
>> I recently discovered TiddleWiki with NoteSelf extension for syncing to 
>> my remote DB server.
>>
>> But what I really miss is the ability to write long articles like I can 
>> in Google Docs, Joplin or any similar apps — with live edit and autosaving.
>>
>> Currently If I want to write a long text, or to work with existing long 
>> text (e.g. add some paragraphs in the middle, or correct spelling), I need 
>> to scroll a lot. Especially it's a nightmare on mobile.
>>
>> I would add *contenteditable *feauture, at least for simple work with 
>> text (if advanced feautures needed, It's ok to go to edit-mode).
>>
>> If there are some plugins working with latest 5.1.22 and actively 
>> maintained, please tell me. Or if you have plans to do it in the futher 
>> versions.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Complicated Design Questions, Json Editing, and Gui features

[TW Tones]

Tiddly Novice,

You are wise to ask as you have at such an early stage as you are 
considering paths of more complexity that you need. 

Let me try a narrative answer to your case.


   - Tiddlers have fields and thus can be used as objects such as a 
   "character", and you can add and edit fields on "character tiddlers" as you 
   wish in edit mode, they also can have a custom view template applied. 
   - Now a view template typically displays and renders the content of the 
   text field, but you can write one that determines, if you are looking at a 
   character tiddler or not, if you are, it can present the content including 
   the fields in a layout you desire. 
   - Now with another field you could have a custom edit mode, if set to 
   yes, rather than use the aforementioned character view template, or the 
   default edit template it could use your own custom edit mode.
  - Now it is true if you try and edit a tiddler from the same tiddlers 
  your edits will loose focus every character you type, making it unusable. 
  There are ways around this but I have not learned how to share this with 
  others easily as it is not strait forward.
   - So, instead you can create a new tiddler called "Characters" (the 
   plural of character), and within it, or another custom view template you 
   can allow the user (you) to select the character you want to look at and 
   retrieve the information required for that Character from the character 
   tiddler, in this case you are not editing the character tiddler directly, 
   it need not even be visible except in your Characters tiddler.
   - In "characters" you can have a field that you can change from edit to 
   view, and the in edit mode it will show edit-text widgets that let you edit 
   the fields in their separate character tiddlers, ie you edit the character.

Some quick recommendations

   - Every tiddler you create for this, give them a field called 
   object-type, first give an object-type = character to each character 
   tiddler, and other pages such as the Characters view and edit tiddler give 
   it an object-type = page
   - (1) Create a view template for any tiddler with an object-type = 
   character
  - Use this to display additional fields the way you want
   - Create a view template for any tiddler object-type = character
  - Include a selection for current character and view or "custom" edit 
  mode.
  - If in view mode do something similar to (1) even transclude it
  - If in "custom edit mode" provide edits for all relevant fields.
   
Later when you feel more confident and you learn the tricks to making a 
view template that can edit the current tiddler, you can move this into the 
character view template, so on any character you can switch into custom 
edit mode on itself. Until then open the character tiddler and select the 
character to edit first.

Keep in mind if you can create a character and instead give it an 
object-type = character-template, all its required fields an a default, you 
could use this as a template for new character, or just but editing the 
character with the characters tiddler you can create an get the character 
tiddler to have all the required fields.

In a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate
<$list filter="[all[current]object-type[character]]" variable=nul>
  How to display a character tiddler in view mode
  Content for all characters

<$list filter="[all[current]object-type[page]]" variable=nul>
   Content for all pages (only one discussed so far)
   Use select widget to choose the character in 
$:/config/selected-character and the view or edit mode here
   <$list filter="[{$:/config/selected-character}]">
  
 <$list filter="[all[current]tiddler-mode[view]]" variable=nul>
How to display a character tiddler in view mode on the characters 
tiddler
 
 <$list filter="[all[current]tiddler-mode[edit]]" variable=nul>
How to display a character tiddler in edit mode on the characters 
tiddler
 
  
   


Happy to offer more details, but perhaps this helps get you started.

Tones



On Monday, 2 November 2020 13:32:29 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>
> Json is...I'm honestly not sure if it's required or not. I only mentioned 
> it because I got the idea for easy editing while looking at the examples 
> for the Json Editor Plug-in. But as I'm starting to remember TW, I'm slowly 
> starting to realize it might not be needed. I'm still figuring that out.
> Meanwhile, I've been making some attempts at creating a test wiki to see 
> where my concept's flaws were and I figured out an important detail. It is 
> likely a very bad idea to design a system such that, in order to make 
> corrections/improvements/upgraded versions of templates/structures, you 
> would edit a defining structure for tiddlers when there are already 
> tiddlers using it. I shouldn't mess with the original template file, 
> instead I should make a new version of the