[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, then 
are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it works 
reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable ways 
of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:

> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT 
> do not.
>
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>  , 
>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Sean
>>>
>>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>>
>>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
>>> graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
>>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
>>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
>>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>>
>>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. 
>>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
>>> encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
>>> functional.
>>>
>>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Hi Victor,
Thanks for the reply!

Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if it 
is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
which I have tried out are:
* Mermaid
* Graphviz
* Railroad
* Tidgraph
* edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>
> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>
> KR, 
> Victor 
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>
>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, then 
>> are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it works 
>> reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable ways 
>> of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT 
>>> do not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>>>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>>>  , 
>>>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>>>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>>>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao Sean
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>>>>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type 
>>>>> of graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
>>>>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
>>>>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
>>>>> method 
>>>>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>>>>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was 
>>>>> interested. 
>>>>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I 
>>>>> sometimes encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> there and functional.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>>>>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Josiah
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

It feels silly replying to myself, but...

Some possibilities are:

   - mxgraph - this is the basis for draw.io, which has a GUI, &c.  A GUI 
   is not strictly necessary, but would be handy for some things - free
   - JointJS - Seems to support the usual diagram types, including BPMN free
   - yEd - I really like the layout options, being able to import SVG 
   nodes.  It is free for any use, but if the underlying libraries (yFiles) 
   are to be used, they have commercial licencing..

The trick is finding someone with the chops to be able to integrate 
something like one of these, then stick around to update from time to 
time.  I get the impression that most people are not really interested in 
diagrams to sit alongside the notes in a tiddler.  The closest thing so far 
is viz and railroad, which are both rather limited.


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:

> Hi Victor,
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if 
> it is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
> internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
> self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
> sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
> which I have tried out are:
> * Mermaid
> * Graphviz
> * Railroad
> * Tidgraph
> * edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>
>> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
>> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>>
>> KR, 
>> Victor 
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, 
>>> then are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it 
>>> works reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable 
>>> ways of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
>>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
>>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and 
>>>> GANTT do not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>>>>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>>>>  , 
>>>>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>>>>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>>>>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>>>>>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type 
>>>>>> of graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I 
>>>>>> get 
>>>>>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen 
>>>>>> capture 
>>>>>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
>>>>>> method 
>>>>>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>>>>>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was 
>>>>>> interested. 
>>>>>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I 
>>>>>> sometimes encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core 
>>>>>> is 
>>>>>> there and functional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>>>>>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>> Josiah
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

The mermaid 
(https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/diagrams-and-syntax-and-examples/gantt.html)
 
plugin supports gantt, but it is a bit quirky.  IIRC, the mermaid plugin 
was released but abandoned.  The types of diagrams that the parent project 
supports at this point are:
* flowchart
* sequence diagrams
* class diagrams
* state diagrams
* entity relationship diagrams (ERD)
* user journey diagram (I had never even heard of these before seeing it on 
the mermaid site)
* gantt chart
* pie chart

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 5:22:13 AM UTC-8 Ste wrote:

> All for diagrams and drawings! I find myself using a variety of tools 
> though as lot of packages don't do things like dimensions/ line lengths or 
> a centre lineI basically want AutoCAD LT but for .svg :) 
> https://editor.method.ac/ does in a pinch for simple stuff.  Bizarrely 
> PowerPoint has quite robust drawing and line animation features these 
> days!...reads back...GANTT charts you say?!  where?
>
> On Monday, 2 November 2020 at 20:25:23 UTC Sean Boyle wrote:
>
>> It feels silly replying to myself, but...
>>
>> Some possibilities are:
>>
>>- mxgraph - this is the basis for draw.io, which has a GUI, &c.  A 
>>GUI is not strictly necessary, but would be handy for some things - free
>>- JointJS - Seems to support the usual diagram types, including BPMN 
>>free
>>- yEd - I really like the layout options, being able to import SVG 
>>nodes.  It is free for any use, but if the underlying libraries (yFiles) 
>>are to be used, they have commercial licencing..
>>
>> The trick is finding someone with the chops to be able to integrate 
>> something like one of these, then stick around to update from time to 
>> time.  I get the impression that most people are not really interested in 
>> diagrams to sit alongside the notes in a tiddler.  The closest thing so far 
>> is viz and railroad, which are both rather limited.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Victor,
>>> Thanks for the reply!
>>>
>>> Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if 
>>> it is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
>>> internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
>>> self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
>>> sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
>>> which I have tried out are:
>>> * Mermaid
>>> * Graphviz
>>> * Railroad
>>> * Tidgraph
>>> * edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>>>
>>>> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
>>>> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>>>>
>>>> KR, 
>>>> Victor 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, 
>>>>> then are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it 
>>>>> works reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some 
>>>>> reasonable 
>>>>> ways of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, 
>>>>> BPMN, 
>>>>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  
>>>>> Having 
>>>>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>>>>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and 
>>>>>> GANTT do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>>>>>>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1h

[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

@jermolene, have you heard of any projects along this line?

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 10:11:41 AM UTC-8 Sean Boyle wrote:

> The mermaid (
> https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/diagrams-and-syntax-and-examples/gantt.html)
>  
> plugin supports gantt, but it is a bit quirky.  IIRC, the mermaid plugin 
> was released but abandoned.  The types of diagrams that the parent project 
> supports at this point are:
> * flowchart
> * sequence diagrams
> * class diagrams
> * state diagrams
> * entity relationship diagrams (ERD)
> * user journey diagram (I had never even heard of these before seeing it 
> on the mermaid site)
> * gantt chart
> * pie chart
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 5:22:13 AM UTC-8 Ste wrote:
>
>> All for diagrams and drawings! I find myself using a variety of tools 
>> though as lot of packages don't do things like dimensions/ line lengths or 
>> a centre lineI basically want AutoCAD LT but for .svg :) 
>> https://editor.method.ac/ does in a pinch for simple stuff.  Bizarrely 
>> PowerPoint has quite robust drawing and line animation features these 
>> days!...reads back...GANTT charts you say?!  where?
>>
>> On Monday, 2 November 2020 at 20:25:23 UTC Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> It feels silly replying to myself, but...
>>>
>>> Some possibilities are:
>>>
>>>- mxgraph - this is the basis for draw.io, which has a GUI, &c.  A 
>>>GUI is not strictly necessary, but would be handy for some things - free
>>>- JointJS - Seems to support the usual diagram types, including BPMN 
>>>free
>>>- yEd - I really like the layout options, being able to import SVG 
>>>nodes.  It is free for any use, but if the underlying libraries (yFiles) 
>>>are to be used, they have commercial licencing..
>>>
>>> The trick is finding someone with the chops to be able to integrate 
>>> something like one of these, then stick around to update from time to 
>>> time.  I get the impression that most people are not really interested in 
>>> diagrams to sit alongside the notes in a tiddler.  The closest thing so far 
>>> is viz and railroad, which are both rather limited.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>> Thanks for the reply!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know 
>>>> if it is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to 
>>>> an internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which 
>>>> is self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be 
>>>> considered 
>>>> sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
>>>> which I have tried out are:
>>>> * Mermaid
>>>> * Graphviz
>>>> * Railroad
>>>> * Tidgraph
>>>> * edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> there is also PlantUML: 
>>>>> http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
>>>>> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>>>>>
>>>>> KR, 
>>>>> Victor 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, 
>>>>>> then are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it 
>>>>>> works reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some 
>>>>>> reasonable 
>>>>>> ways of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, 
>>>>>> BPMN, 
>>>>>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  
>>>>>> Having 
>>>>>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>>>>>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and 
>>>&

[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

CORAS: http://coras.sourceforge.net/ It is unfortunate that there are name 
collisions.  This is a methodology and a set of symbols to be used with 
drawing software, not related to the ginormous commercial package by the 
same name.  BPMN is certainly well documented and there are large tools 
which can automatically create workflows, &c. For creating drawings, it is 
really just a set of swimlanes and symbols which extend the IBM flowchart 
symbol set, which is a smaller problem.  Neither of these in and of 
themselves should radically grow an existing tool.

I can appreciate that no one wants to work on a plugin, send it out for 
feedback and get none, and perhaps I am guilty of that very thing as I have 
tried several of them.

Size is a problem.  There is the problem that each graphics plugin seems to 
have their own library, so they are all additive.  One must certainly be 
choosy.  At this point, I have several graphics related plugins loaded 
(railroad, tidgraph, rocklib/ mermaid-tw5, visjs, viz).  Tracking 
dependencies is not exactly easy (any advice on this?) and I seriously need 
to do some preening, but I have tried to torture one or more of these to 
get to my end goal.  It might be smarter to strip all of these out, store 
the source bits for any drawings, cook them externally and import the SVG 
(hoping that the external tools do not bloat the SVG too much).
I am probably already asking a lot of it already by having several years 
worth of journals with drawings, all encrypted.  My initial plan was to 
replace a daily planner and moleskine / engineering pad with a software 
version which is as platform independent as possible today, lightweight, 
and fulfills much of the requirement which I traditionally would fulfill 
with a pencil.  In the abstract, it is simple enough.  The implementation 
is really the dickens, no doubt filled with what TRIZ folks call 
contradictions.  For now, I should probably stick with it for the strengths 
and go elsewhere for the missing bits.  Before trying to integrate all with 
Tiddlywiki, I was using yEd (https://yworks.com/products/yed) for BPMN and 
CORAS (imported the symbols), and something like draw.io (jgraph).

This was a good discussion.  Thanks to TiddyTweeter and PMario!

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 5:33:32 AM UTC-8 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> PMario wrote:
>>
>>
>> ... So for me it looks like a 20/80 approach. 20% of time invested to get 
>> 80% of functions out of it.
>>
>> This gives you the possibility to implement 5 different libs (as seen at: 
>> https://gt6796c.github.io/) at the same time as doing 100% for 1 
>> library. ... (sometimes) That's a good idea 
>>
>
>  Right. Ambitious but useful.
>
> It seems none of the libraries took of (eg: lack of feedback), 
>>
>
> Right. There was virtually no feedback at all. Though the tool really 
> needed a lot to help the author.
>
> I am pretty sure that is why its development froze. They got no feedback.
>
> --- 
>
> The "Mermaid" approach is interesting.
>
> Mainly because  it is a unifying front-end that, if done well, would save 
> a lot of hassle.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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[tw] Extract list of source fields

[Sean Boyle]

I have a number of tiddlers in a report which are actually webpages dragged 
into TW5.  For each, I have populated the source field with the URL.

I would like to be able to generate a listing of all of the URLs.

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[tw] Re: rendering abcjs music notation in tiddlywiki

[Sean Boyle]

Did this end up in something easily usable?  It would be great if it were 
bundled up as a plugin.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 1:10:11 AM UTC-8, vpl wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to render abcjs music notation in tiddlywiki
> Bopland.org is closed now and Vexflow licensing model is not adapted.
> abcjs (http://abcjs.net/) looks very interesting and maintained.
>
> Looking at other thread I understand that 
>  - I have to create a tiddler containing the abcjs_basic_latest-min.js 
> content (available here 
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/paulrosen/abcjs/master/bin/abcjs_basic_2.2-min.js
> )
>  - tag it with systemConfig
>
> Then I block as I don't understand how to render the music content using 
> abcjs
>
> I've tested on a html page the following code and it works
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> abcjs basic demo
> 
> 
> 
> abcjs basic demo page
> 
>
> 
> var chorus = '%%staffwidth 500\nX: 1\nT: Chorus\nV: T1 clef=treble 
> name="Soprano"\nV: T2 clef=treble name="Alto"\nV: B1 clef=bass 
> name="Tenor"\nV: B2 clef=bass name="Bass"\nL:1/8\nK:G\nP:First Part\n[V: 
> T1]"C"ed"Am"ed "F"cd"G7"gf |\n[V: T2]GGAA- A2BB |\n[V: B1]C3D- DF,3 |\n[V: 
> B2]C,2A,,2 F,,2G,,2 |';
> 
>
> 
> 
> ABCJS.renderAbc('notation', chorus);
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>
>
> As you see, abcjs renders the content using ABCJS.renderAbc(). 
> But we have to pass to this method a string content (in our case a 
> javascript variable) representing the music I want to render.
>
>
> Could somebody help me here, 
> I'm block on tiddly and need an expert to unlock me ..
>
> With regards
>
> Vpl
>

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[tw5] Re: Tidgraph - Initial Depth?

[Sean Boyle]

I looked at the proposed solutions.  One came with a caveat which carried a 
significant impact, and the other less so, but I was looking for some 
intrinsic functionality which does not appear to exist.  Is the author 
still maintaining this plugin?

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:47:22 AM UTC-8, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Or not... 
> Do a search here for "Tidgraph question" as i seem unable to get the link 
> from a search on mobile. Grrr

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[tw5] Re: Tidgraph - Initial Depth?

[Sean Boyle]

That's lovely!  Thanks Luis

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 6:03:46 AM UTC-8, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>
> Brilliant!
>
> Thank you!!!
>
> On Monday, 25 November 2019 07:56:49 UTC, Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>> Try an alternative solution.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Printable embedded spreadsheets

[Sean Boyle]

Thanks Tony.
That plugin is also quite nice, but...
I would like to do is set up a spreadsheet with calculations which can 
operate on a range of cells (e.g. =sum(A1:A4)) (and be able to print them, 
of course.

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 11:26:39 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> I would like to be able to use tw to create a printable report with 
> embedded spreadsheet.  The best I can do now is use MathCell, but it has 
> limitations (like not being able to sum(range) ).  Socialcalc is quite nice 
> and I can import / export, but it cannot be directly printed (yes, 
> including "Open in new window".  Has anyone cracked this nut?
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- has anyone made a Single Tiddler PRINT button?

[Sean Boyle]

I generally "Open in new window" and print in the normal manner.

On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 5:12:03 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I often find I need to print a single Tiddler. At the moment I have to (1) 
> open it in a new window with just that Tiddler, (2) right click to find a 
> print option.
>
> *Could it be done just through a button on the individual Tiddler on one 
> click?*
>
> Anyone done that already?
>
> An upside is it would also enable TiddlyDesktop wikis to print individual 
> Tiddlers--which it currently can't do.
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Double click to edit

[Sean Boyle]

I have a number of plugins, but not that one.  I recently installed Cardo.  
Does that tweak the behaviour?
Also, I have now updated to 5.1.19 and the problem (not surprisingly) 
remains.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:09:21 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Check your plugins and see if you have installed "double-click to edit 
> tiddlers".
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 10:52:27 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> I am running 5.1.17 and somewhere along the trail I ended up with a 
>> double-click in a tiddler opening it for edit, but like the tiddlywiki 
>> classic.  Does anyone here know how to disable this?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Double click to edit

[Sean Boyle]

The list of plugins:
$:/plugins/bj/Calendar
$:/plugins/Cardo
$:/plugins/kiram/datepicker
$:/plugins/telmiger/HarvyBalls
$:/pluggins/kixam/moment
$:/plugins/tiddlywii/music-score
$:/plugins/chanilino/viz
$:/plugins/telmiger/PluginSize
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/railroad
$:/plugins/reidgould/shortid
$:/plugins/sk/TableHelper
$:/plugins/tesseract/tekan
$:/plugins/ihm/tidgraph
$:/plugins/ahahn/tinka
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/blog
$:/plugins/spangenhelm/enhancedsearch
$:/plugins/gt6796c/rocklib
$:/plugins/emkay/visjs/$:/plugins/gt6796c/mermaid-tw5


On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:21:42 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> I have a number of plugins, but not that one.  I recently installed 
> Cardo.  Does that tweak the behaviour?
> Also, I have now updated to 5.1.19 and the problem (not surprisingly) 
> remains.
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:09:21 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Check your plugins and see if you have installed "double-click to edit 
>> tiddlers".
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 10:52:27 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>> I am running 5.1.17 and somewhere along the trail I ended up with a 
>>> double-click in a tiddler opening it for edit, but like the tiddlywiki 
>>> classic.  Does anyone here know how to disable this?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Double click to edit

[Sean Boyle]

I just disabled Cardo (which also keeps me dropped down to only "Search", 
"Tools", and "Calendar" tabs on the sidebar).  Normal behaviour is 
restored.  I would love to get my tabs back "Open", "Contents", "Recent", 
"Tools", "more", or better yet, use Cardo w/o the tweaked double-click, 
*sigh*...

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:36:05 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> The list of plugins:
> $:/plugins/bj/Calendar
> $:/plugins/Cardo
> $:/plugins/kiram/datepicker
> $:/plugins/telmiger/HarvyBalls
> $:/pluggins/kixam/moment
> $:/plugins/tiddlywii/music-score
> $:/plugins/chanilino/viz
> $:/plugins/telmiger/PluginSize
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/railroad
> $:/plugins/reidgould/shortid
> $:/plugins/sk/TableHelper
> $:/plugins/tesseract/tekan
> $:/plugins/ihm/tidgraph
> $:/plugins/ahahn/tinka
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/blog
> $:/plugins/spangenhelm/enhancedsearch
> $:/plugins/gt6796c/rocklib
> $:/plugins/emkay/visjs/$:/plugins/gt6796c/mermaid-tw5
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:21:42 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> I have a number of plugins, but not that one.  I recently installed 
>> Cardo.  Does that tweak the behaviour?
>> Also, I have now updated to 5.1.19 and the problem (not surprisingly) 
>> remains.
>>
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:09:21 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your plugins and see if you have installed "double-click to edit 
>>> tiddlers".
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 10:52:27 AM UTC-8, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am running 5.1.17 and somewhere along the trail I ended up with a 
>>>> double-click in a tiddler opening it for edit, but like the tiddlywiki 
>>>> classic.  Does anyone here know how to disable this?
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Double click to edit

[Sean Boyle]

I stripped the "module-type" field and left the text.  It seems to work OK 
now.  Am I in for trouble doing it this way?

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 12:03:54 PM UTC-8, bimlas wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> You can use Cardo without this feature:
>
> - (enable Cardo)
> - Open $:/plugins/Cardo/Danielos2Click2Edit/ClickListener.js in edit mode
> - Remove the text and the "module-type" field as well
> - Save and restart
>
> I don't understand why the author has put unwanted plugins into it, but 
> you can overwrite this way.
>

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[tw5] Re: Double click to edit

[Sean Boyle]

Now I am getting this: "Undefined widget 'click'"

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 12:33:05 PM UTC-8, bimlas wrote:
>
> No, this is a "hard coded disabling" of the plugin, it does nothing wrong.
>

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[tw5] Re: Cardo 1.0.4 - with Goals, IE11 compatibility, and fixes

[Sean Boyle]

How does one submit bug reports to you?

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 7:11:18 PM UTC-8, David Szego wrote:
>
> I'm very happy to announce the release of *Cardo* 1.0.4
> A Task and Project Management Wiki for Getting Stuff Done 
> *Cardo* comes from a combination of "Card" and "Do". This was the name 
> given to the main north-south roads in ancient Roman cities, used as a 
> guide for easy navigation. It also aptly describes the UI of the tool.
>
> *Cardo* has many features for task and project management, including:
>
>- Projects, Teams, and RACI charts
>- Progress & Status Updates
>- Tasks, Delegation Tracking & Reminders
>- Contexts, Areas & Realms
>- Meetings & Agenda Items
>- References & Notes
>- Contacts & Conversations
>- Book Library & Reading Notes
>- Goals (with a very Tony Robbins feel)
>
> They are tightly interlinked to allow extremely complex tracking, 
> presented in very elegant dashboards.
>
>
> Get Cardo at *http://cardo.wiki  *
>
> *Cardo* comes in either a standalone "empty" TiddlyWiki file, or you can 
> add *Cardo* to your existing TiddlyWiki by importing a .json file of 
> plugins.
>
>
> Thank you to everyone who contributed to the development of Cardo, either 
> through testing and bug reports, feature suggestions, or kind words of 
> encouragement! A special thanks to Jeremy for this fantastic platform we 
> all love hacking on. Keep up the great work.
>
>
> 1.0.4 Changelog:
>
>
>
> - *1.0.4 (7 Jan 2019):*
>
>- Added: Goals - with a very Tony Robbins feel
>- Fixed: IE11 compatibility (issue with guid.js)
>- Fixed: Reminder wording better reflects goals, tasks and projects
>- Fixed: Alignment of Tiddler buttons in Cardo theme
>- Added: Start date (cardo-start) to Projects and Tasks
>- Changed: Moved "Recurring"/"Reminder" checkboxes for cleaner layout
>- Fixed: New Conversation from sidebar was tagged wrong
>- Fixed: New items are set with the Focus currently set in the sidebar 
>(unless Focus is set to "All")
>   - (This fixes a number of bugs where items don't appear due to 
>   sidebar being un-set, as well as allows new items to have a default so 
> they 
>   should never be un-set)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How does one file bug reports for Cardo?

[Sean Boyle]

Actually, he buried it in his plugin rather than simply including it as a 
separate plugin: $:/plugins/Cardo/Danielos2Click2Edit/ClickListener.js 

, $:/plugins/Cardo/Danielos2Click2Edit/License 

I tried to disable it by simply deleting the contents of ClickListner.js 
and Cardo responded by whining about click not being defined (or somesuch).

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:55:21 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Sean, 
>
> If you open the ControlPanel: Plugins: 2Click2Edit 
>  plugin, you can disable or 
> remove it. 
>
> I have no idea about the second problem. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: How does one file bug reports for Cardo?

[Sean Boyle]

That could be an interesting workaround.  I have no idea where to configure 
that.  Can you advise?

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:29:19 PM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Sean, Ive found it convenient to change it to triple click to prevent 
> false activations. 
>
> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 4:07:58 PM UTC-6, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> Actually, he buried it in his plugin rather than simply including it as a 
>> separate plugin: $:/plugins/Cardo/Danielos2Click2Edit/ClickListener.js, 
>> $:/plugins/Cardo/Danielos2Click2Edit/License
>> I tried to disable it by simply deleting the contents of ClickListner.js 
>> and Cardo responded by whining about click not being defined (or somesuch).
>>
>> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:55:21 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sean, 
>>>
>>> If you open the ControlPanel: Plugins: 2Click2Edit 
>>> <http://cardo.wiki/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel> plugin, you can disable or 
>>> remove it. 
>>>
>>> I have no idea about the second problem. 
>>>
>>> -m
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Do we have musicians in our community?

[Sean Boyle]

http://derekaudette.ottawaarts.com/music.php/


On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 10:13:42 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I need some "free" music 4:47 to add to this video 
> . I did search quite a bit, but I couldn't 
> find something that I did like.
>
> Have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Another datapoint on extremely large TiddlyWikis

[Sean Boyle]

In the spirit of large tiddlywikis, is there a simple way to get a listing 
of tiddlers by size, sorted largest first?  I would like to do some weeding.

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 3:50:24 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Several of the projects I’m working on for Federatial clients involve 
> large wikis, in the 10MB to 100MB range. I’ve posted before about the 
> surprisingly good performance of such large wikis, and recently worked on 
> improving performance further through the introduction of more 
> sophisticated indexing strategies. 
>
> As an experiment, today I just tried combining the data from several large 
> wikis to make a compound wiki that weighs in at 874.9MB (nearly a 
> gigabyte!). To my astonishment, Chrome and Firefox will both run it with 
> reasonable performance (Safari complains about resource usage). 
>
> The wiki actually only contains 60 tiddlers, of which 13 are plugins 
> containing a total of 64,202 shadow tiddlers (this project uses plugins to 
> package wiki content). There are just over 3,000 images, weighing in at 
> about 197MB of base64 encoded text. 
>
> I don’t think such large wikis are practical for everyday use right now, 
> but they certainly will be in the next few years. (None of this is actually 
> to praise TiddlyWiki; it’s the hardworking browser engineers over the last 
> decade that we have to thank). 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy.

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

I just checked in after a hiatus.  It appears that this has not 
progressed.  Though it has warts, it is the best thing going.  The 
graphviz-like syntax is simple and elegant.  The only real inconvenience at 
this point is an inability to print or export.  I am able with most any 
tiddler to copy/paste to a web-based email client (Outlook web access), but 
the drawings do not come across.  Printing also renders as simply blank.  
The other issue reported is more of an annoyance, but these are more 
serious.  Is there a future for this plugin?

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:28:11 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Great you try to comment. You'll need be on (sign up for) GitHub at 
> https://github.com/
>
> Then open a "New issue" at https://github.com/gt6796c/mermaid-tw5/issues 
> to write whatever you want. 
>
> IF in your message you include my github name "@tiddlytweeter" I will get 
> a copy of whatever you write and will comment back if I see follow up is 
> needed.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 31 July 2017 22:58:10 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> Does the author monitor this, or should I go elsewhere?  I do have some 
>> feedback...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 5:54:10 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Sean
>>>
>>> Its really a beta demo, I think. Its never been honed. Mainly because 
>>> there was virtually no feedback to the author, either here, or on GitHub. 
>>> Its definitely in the right direction IMO. Maybe someone can build off it.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:42:39 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Josiah
>>>> I installed mermaid (and the other bits from 
>>>> https://gt6796c.github.io/. <https://gt6796c.github.io/>
>>>> The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the 
>>>> mermaid stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For 
>>>> what I want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
>>>>
>>>

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[tw] tiddler / plugin dependencies?

[Sean Boyle]

Is there a reasonable way to determine a dependency chain for tiddlers and 
plugins (e.g. Don't remove this plugin as it is needed by these tiddlers 
and that other plugin).

I am trying to preen my tiddlywiki down a bit and hopefully get a bit 
better performance out of it. :-)

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

My workaround is to use the online editor: 
https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
 , 
save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text syntax 
> is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>
> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
> graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>
> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the issue 
> is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. He has 
> other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>
> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
> encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
> functional.
>
> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT do 
not.

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>  , 
> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Sean
>>
>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text syntax 
>> is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>
>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
>> graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>
>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the issue 
>> is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. He has 
>> other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>
>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
>> encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
>> functional.
>>
>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

[Sean Boyle]

Is it just my imagination, or has this problem found its way back into TW 
5.1.16?

   1. Create a journal tiddler using the new journal button
   2. close
   3. Open again using the new journal button
   4. Previous content is GONE
   5. At this point, you can close w/o saving the tiddler, and it shall 
   appear as an existing tiddler
   6. Click the edit tiddler button and the tiddler opens with content 
   intact

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[tw5] Re: New graphviz (diagram and graphs) plugin created

[Sean Boyle]

Nice work.  It doesn't leave relics on the screen like the mermaid plugin 
(but yes, I still like mermaid).
Even with this, I am not able to copy the diagrams to paste to another 
app.  Is this a deficiency of Vis.js?  My use case is creating a report in 
tw, the copy-paste into email.  The text makes it through just fine, but no 
joy with the graphics.

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 8:07:46 AM UTC-7, Eduardo Granados Gomez 
wrote:
>
> Hello I have create a graphviz plugin. You can see here 
> https://github.com/chanilino/tw5viz. How can I share this plugin with the 
> comunity?
>
> Thanks
>
>

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[tw5] Re: New graphviz (diagram and graphs) plugin created

[Sean Boyle]

It follows graphviz syntax: "digraph" produces a directed graph, and 
"graph" produces an undirected (no arrows) graph.

On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:57:15 AM UTC-7, Scott Kingery wrote:
>
> This is interesting. Is there a way to make lines without arrow heads? I 
> didn't see that in the example.
>
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 8:07:46 AM UTC-7, Eduardo Granados Gomez 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello I have create a graphviz plugin. You can see here 
>> https://github.com/chanilino/tw5viz. How can I share this plugin with 
>> the comunity?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: New graphviz (diagram and graphs) plugin created

[Sean Boyle]

EXAMPLE:
<$viz text="""
graph B {
rankdir=RL;
   subgraph cluster_a {
  label="subgraph";
  a -- b;
   }
a -- c;
}
"""/>
This also contains a subgraph, in case you should find that useful.

On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 1:32:02 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> It follows graphviz syntax: "digraph" produces a directed graph, and 
> "graph" produces an undirected (no arrows) graph.
>
> On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:57:15 AM UTC-7, Scott Kingery wrote:
>>
>> This is interesting. Is there a way to make lines without arrow heads? I 
>> didn't see that in the example.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 8:07:46 AM UTC-7, Eduardo Granados Gomez 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello I have create a graphviz plugin. You can see here 
>>> https://github.com/chanilino/tw5viz. How can I share this plugin with 
>>> the comunity?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>

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[tw] background colour in table cells

[Sean Boyle]

|!Header|!Header|
|@@background:green;Green Cell@@|@@background:blue;blue@@|
|@@background:red;A much longer text string@@|@@color:orange;shorter@@|

This only colours the text background.  What I would really like to do is 
colour the entire cell background.

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[tw] Re: background colour in table cells

[Sean Boyle]

The stylesheet worked brilliantly!

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> |!Header|!Header|
> |@@background:green;Green Cell@@|@@background:blue;blue@@|
> |@@background:red;A much longer text string@@|@@color:orange;shorter@@|
>
> This only colours the text background.  What I would really like to do is 
> colour the entire cell background.
>

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[tw] New Journal oddity in 5.1.14

[Sean Boyle]

In version ≤ 5.1.14, if a journal for a given day (name) exists when the 
New Journal button is clicked, it simply opened the existing tiddler.  The 
behaviour now seems to be to open a blank tiddler with the same name.  If 
this is saved, it overwrites the current version.  If it is exited w/o 
saving, the old tiddler appears with content intact.

Is anyone else experiencing this?
Have I been taking advantage of a beacher all along? (bug which has become 
a feature)

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[tw] Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  I 
would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Thanks Josiah
I installed mermaid (and the other bits from https://gt6796c.github.io/. 
<https://gt6796c.github.io/>
The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the mermaid 
stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For what I 
want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
Perhaps in future, some people shall tackle UML, BPMN, Southbeach, CORAS 
and perhaps even some generic drawing of computer networks.

Thanks to all who responded!


On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 4:01:21 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Drawing what? What kind of diagrams do you need?
>
> There are several logical diagramming plugins. Maybe not so easy to find 
> all of them if you unfamiliar. I probably can find them if you need.
>
> I believe there is a well featured Mermaid plugin that does complex flow 
> diagrams & Gannt charts. There are also several simple branching hierarchy 
> flow chart plugins.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:41:22 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  
>> I would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
>> drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
>> diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Does the author monitor this, or should I go elsewhere?  I do have some 
feedback...

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 5:54:10 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Its really a beta demo, I think. Its never been honed. Mainly because 
> there was virtually no feedback to the author, either here, or on GitHub. 
> Its definitely in the right direction IMO. Maybe someone can build off it.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:42:39 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Josiah
>> I installed mermaid (and the other bits from https://gt6796c.github.io/. 
>> <https://gt6796c.github.io/>
>> The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the 
>> mermaid stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For 
>> what I want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
>>
>

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