Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!

2009-06-29 Thread balmatmic
Emails are often misunderstood.  It's just not as easy to get the point that 
was trying to get across sometimes.  Even someone with really good reading or 
writing skills gets misunderstood sometimes by someone with the same.  Then 
there are some, like me, who really don't read all of the words sometimes, and 
need to go over the message a time or two or three.  And, I still screw things 
up. 

It would be great if we could just communicate in person, or on the phone and 
know what everyone else is thinking like we do on the TMIC, but it's not 
possible, so here we are.  We just do what we can to get through it.  We should 
have figured out by now that life is not perfect, so don't expect perfection 
from each other.  Especially when there is pain and medication involved.

Hugs, Barbara A




-Original Message-
From: jrushton jrush...@columbiaenergyllc.com
To: Grace M. grace...@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:19 pm
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Gosh, and it's not even a full moon!!!  OK..  I always tell my kids that you 
cannot change one second of what has already happened...just learn fr
om it, go forward and try to be a better person than you were the day before.  
Some of you have heard me say this soHOW ABOUT STARTING OVER FROM THIS 
MOMENT ON  We're only human.  We have each other in this TM thing and that 
is a very special thing to have.  Jeanne

 

 

 


---Original Message---

 


From: Grace M.

Date: 06/28/09 21:04:19

To: tmic-list@eskimo.com

Subject: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!


 

Todd did not intentionally do anything wrong.  He wrote an extremely supportive 
post to Naomi.  He in no way disparaged this list, or anyone on it.  I've known 
Todd since I first became ill and he has never been ANYTHING but good to me, 
and I have never seen him post anything negative to anyone on this list site.  
I also know that he would help anyone here that he could, if he had the means 
to do so.  Sadly, not all of us have the means to do so, myself included.  For 
the life of me I do not understand what has been going on here lately.

 

Grace

 
































Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!

2009-06-29 Thread Jenna
Beautifully put!!

 Jenna





From: balmat...@aol.com balmat...@aol.com
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:00:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!

Emails are often misunderstood.  It's just not as easy to get the point that 
was trying to get across sometimes.  Even someone with really good reading or 
writing skills gets misunderstood sometimes by someone with the same.  Then 
there are some, like me, who really don't read all of the words sometimes, and 
need to go over the message a time or two or three.  And, I still screw things 
up.  

It would be great if we could just communicate in person, or on the phone and 
know what everyone else is thinking like we do on the TMIC, but it's not 
possible, so here we are.  We just do what we can to get through it.  We should 
have figured out by now that life is not perfect, so don't expect perfection 
from each other.  Especially when there is pain and medication involved.

Hugs, Barbara A




-Original Message-
From: jrushton jrush...@columbiaenergyllc.com
To: Grace M. grace...@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!


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Gosh, and it's not even a full moon!!!  OK..  I always tell my kids that you 
cannot change one second of what has already happened...just learn from it, go 
forward and try to be a better person than you were the day before.  Some of 
you have heard me say this soHOW ABOUT STARTING OVER FROM THIS MOMENT 
ON  We're only human.  We have each other in this TM thing and that is a 
very special thing to have.  Jeanne
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Grace M.
Date: 06/28/09 21:04:19
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!
0A
 
Todd did not intentionally do anything wrong.  He wrote an extremely supportive 
post to Naomi.  He in no way disparaged this list, or anyone on it.  I've known 
Todd since I first became ill and he has never been ANYTHING but good to me, 
and I have never seen him post anything negative to anyone on this list site.  
I also know that he would help anyone here that he could, if he had the means 
to do so.  Sadly, not all of us have the means to do so, myself included.  For 
the life of me I do not understand what has been going on here lately.
 
Grace

 
 
 



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[TMIC] Every now and then!

2009-06-29 Thread Robert Pall
I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements
that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually
provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and
remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sidesif what
is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for...just
delete it!
Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to
bickeringmy guess is it turns them off...and that is a tragedy! If
one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to
just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole.
Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things
occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When
one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or
disagreement...anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM

New topic: Exercise

Exercisewhen is enough enough?

I tend to exercise in spurtsI am either following a regular
routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!
I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make
the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the
past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have
never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse
than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So
what do I doprobably stop exercising and see if my legs feel
betterthat being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the
New York area the entire month of June...so I am not certain if the over
exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years
I have not really learned to listen to my bodypart of this is due to
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercisingbut hours later
it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay
the price.
My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)for the
first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine
...and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in
the towelI kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless...therefore
I just started back on my routine...and so far the pain far outweighs
the gain.
I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try
to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM
problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot
on my plate...I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so
exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle.
That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and
gain addl. Weight I always feel worse...and I can assure you that this
is not a vanity issue. 
I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises
works for them...how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing
Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him...I have a feeling he
will stress moderation and developing a routine that will keep my
muscles from atrophying while a t the same time not exhausting me to the
point of pain.

OK...enough for now...let's get back on topic!

Rob in New Jersey


Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!

2009-06-29 Thread jrushton
Way to go, Barbara...  Well said.  We'll get thru all of this just like we
get thru our other challenges in life.  This is a small one compared to some
 right??  Just keep supporting and loving each other and that will take care
of the rough stuff.  Jeanne
 
---Original Message---
 
From: balmat...@aol.com
Date: 6/29/2009 2:01:17 AM
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!
 
Emails are often misunderstood.  It's just not as easy to get the point that
was trying to get across sometimes.  Even someone with really good reading
or writing skills gets misunderstood sometimes by someone with the same. 
Then there are some, like me, who really don't read all of the words
sometimes, and need to go over the message a time or two or three.  And, I
still screw things up.  

It would be great if we could just communicate in person, or on the phone
and know what everyone else is thinking like we do on the TMIC, but it's not
possible, so here we are.  We just do what we can to get through it.  We
should have figured out by now that life is not perfect, so don't expect
perfection from each other.  Especially when there is pain and medication
involved.

Hugs, Barbara A




-Original Message-
From: jrushton jrush...@columbiaenergyllc.com
To: Grace M. grace...@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!


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Re: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!

2009-06-29 Thread Catherine
  Wow, did I just fall off the turnip truck, maybe brain freeze, or possibly fibro
 fog! What is going on? We are a family. Just like all families we don't always agree, we have differences.I hope we can start to find what we all have in common with each other. I have been here for about 6 years. There was an argument going on then . but in the fast month that is all that is going on.Thoughts and Prays,CatherineFrom: Grace M. grace...@gmail.comTo: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:04:08 PMSubject: [TMIC] Sheesh! Stop it Guys!
Todd did not intentionally doanything wrong. He wrote an extremely supportive post to Naomi. He in no way disparaged this list, or anyone on it. I've known Todd since I first became ill and he has never beenANYTHING butgood to me, and I have never seen him post anything negative toanyone on this list site. I also know that he would help anyone here that he could, if he had the means to do so. Sadly, not all of us have the means to do so, myself included. For the life of me I do not understand what has been going on here lately.


Grace
  

  

[TMIC] Facebook

2009-06-29 Thread LadyOwl1961
I am also on Facebook and am now addicted to Farm Town and Farm Ville. My 
name on Facebook is Kathleen Moorhead Blaschko. Please feel free to add me as a 
friend. I also go into YoVille quite often. 
I love facebook as a way to keep a daily update on friends and family. 
I also am addicted to The Sims, Sims 2 and am thinking of getting into Sims 3. 

Thanks 
Kathy

Re: [TMIC] Facebook Page

2009-06-29 Thread bradebi
LOL LOL yeah me too I always am telling my Husband just a minute!! I will be
there in just 1 more minute!.
Debi

 
Jim,  
 
You have me laughing so hard now.  :-)  I'm the same way, though with me it
s Mahjongg and the strategy games.  If your Mom ends up being too late with
dinner, just call me and I'll send over a Pizza.
 
You're a peach!
Gracie



On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Jim Lubin jlu...@eskimo.com wrote:

It could be... I've been on Facebook for j years and haven't used it as much
as I have the last 2 weeks since starting Farm Town. Good thing I finished
putting the latest TMA newsletter online before I got into Farm Town, I
would have really had some time management problems. 

I got my mom on it too, which might have been a mistake. When harvest time
happens around our diner time, guess which has been coming first? Yup, we
have been eating later every night. :-) 

At 07:01 PM 6/26/2009, Cindy McLeroy wrote:

 

Now when folks wonder why the list is slow, they should go to facebook and
check out Farm Town.  That must be where everyone disappears sometimes.

- Original Message - 

From: bradebi 

To: Akua ; tmic-list@eskimo.com ; Jim Lubin 

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [TMIC] Facebook Page


I am too!!!...I love Farm Town!.I am taking a break... .I am into
building my Zoo right now..it is addicting too!.

Debi

 

 

 



---Original Message---

 

From: Jim Lubin

Date: 6/25/2009 7:37:10 PM

To: Akua;  tmic-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: [TMIC] Facebook Page

 

there are several TM-ADEM-NMO groups on Facebook, most are linked here

http://www.myelitis.org/support.htm


Jim 

(who has become addicted to the Farm Town game on Facebook)


At 06:43 PM 6/24/2009, Akua wrote:

I'm digging Facebook--- what about creating a fan page.

-- 




Jim Lubin   

jlu...@eskimo.com

http://makoa.org/jim 

disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org 




 





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jlu...@eskimo.com
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disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org






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RE: [TMIC] Facebook Page

2009-06-29 Thread Tracey L. Black
  

I have the Farmtown and so do my 3 children so we end up trying to beat each 
other on levels and coins. We do help each other harvest so we all end up 
making out better than if we were to hire someone that we don't know to 
harvest. 

I get up around 6:30 every morning and play until around 7:30 on Farmtown. It 
is so addicting!!

What level are you guys on?

 

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From: bradebi [mailto:brad...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:17 PM
To: Jim Lubin; Grace M.
Cc: Cindy McLeroy; Akua; tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Facebook Page

 

LOL LOL yeah me too I always am telling my Husband just a minute!! I will be 
there in just 1 more minute!.

Debi

 

 

Jim,  

 

You have me laughing so hard now.  :-)  I'm the same way, though with me it's 
Mahjongg and the strategy games.  If your Mom ends up being too late with 
dinner, just call me and I'll send over a Pizza.

 

You're a peach!

Gracie

 

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Jim Lubin jlu...@eskimo.com wrote:

It could be... I've been on Facebook for j years and haven't used it as much as 
I have the last 2 weeks since starting Farm Town. Good thing I finished putting 
the latest TMA newsletter online before I got into Farm Town, I would have 
really had some time management problems. 

I got my mom on it too, which might have been a mistake. When harvest time 
happens around our diner time, guess which has been coming first? Yup, we have 
been eating later every night. :-) 

At 07:01 PM 6/26/2009, Cindy McLeroy wrote:

 

Now when folks wonder why the list is slow, they should go to facebook and 
check out Farm Town.  That must be where everyone disappears sometimes.

- Original Message - 

From: bradebi mailto:brad...@gmail.com  

To: Akua mailto:a...@artfarm.com  ; tmic-list@eskimo.com ; Jim Lubin 
mailto:jlu...@eskimo.com  

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [TMIC] Facebook Page

I am too!!!...I love Farm Town!.I am taking a break... .I am into building 
my Zoo right now..it is addicting too!.

Debi

 

 

 



---Original Message---

 

From: Jim Lubin mailto:jlu...@eskimo.com 

Date: 6/25/2009 7:37:10 PM

To: Akua mailto:a...@artfarm.com ;  tmic-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: [TMIC] Facebook Page

 

there are several TM-ADEM-NMO groups on Facebook, most are linked here

http://www.myelitis.org/support.htm

Jim 

(who has become addicted to the Farm Town game on Facebook)

At 06:43 PM 6/24/2009, Akua wrote:

I'm digging Facebook--- what about creating a fan page.

-- 



Jim Lubin   

jlu...@eskimo.com

http://makoa.org/jim 

disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org http://www.makoa.org/  




 

 


Jim Lubin   
jlu...@eskimo.com
http://makoa.org/jim 
disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org



http://www.makoa.org/ 

 

 



 

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Re: [TMIC] Facebook

2009-06-29 Thread bradebi
 
 
 Wow Kathy I am right here just click the link!
 
http://www.facebook.com/debi.woodruffwall  
 
 
Debi
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: LadyOwl1961
Date: 6/29/2009 11:52:13 AM
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [TMIC] Facebook
 
I am also on Facebook and am now addicted to Farm Town and Farm Ville.
My name on Facebook is Kathleen Moorhead Blaschko. Please feel free to add
me as a friend. I also go into YoVille quite often. 
I love facebook as a way to keep a daily update on friends and family. 
I also am addicted to The Sims, Sims 2 and am thinking of getting into Sims
3. 
 
Thanks 
Kathy
 

[TMIC] Fwd: You can help find the cure for paralysis

2009-06-29 Thread ACAROE
check out the video from Scott Chesney.




 From: peter.wilderot...@christopherreeve.org
To: aca...@aol.com
Sent:  6/29/2009 7:16:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: You can help find the  cure for paralysis


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Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

2009-06-29 Thread Janice
Every now and then!Robert,
I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it because of 
arthritis in my back.  Exercise done in water should
not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to think hard 
about moderation when you first begin and add
more slowly.Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to get back 
in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon
I hope.Good luck.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Pall 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM
  Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides..if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for.just delete it!

  Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering..my guess is it turns them off.and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement.anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM

  New topic: Exercise 

  Exercise..when is enough enough? 

  I tend to exercise in spurts..I am either following a regular routine 
or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am not very 
good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes 
over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now 
back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel 
weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort 
and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do..probably stop exercising and 
see if my legs feel better..that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet 
weather in the New York area the entire month of June.so I am not certain if 
the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 
years I have not really learned to listen to my body..part of this is due to 
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising..but hours later it is as 
if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.

  My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)..for the first 
10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine .and then all 
of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel..I kinda just 
quit. I felt hopeless and helpless.therefore I just started back on my 
routine.and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.

  I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate.I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of 
a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I 
let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse.and I can 
assure you that this is not a vanity issue. 

  I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works 
for them.how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on 
Weds and will pose the question to him.I have a feeling he will stress 
moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying 
while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain.

  OK.enough for now.let's get back on topic! 

  Rob in New Jersey