Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WD Elements 1TB - Any good with "Touch"?
JohnSwenson;557440 Wrote: > > Did you look at the log files? There might be important information in > the logs that can point to what is going on. > As I told earlier: I use the drive now attached to a pc which serves as my SqueezeboxServer at the moment. This works flawlessly over wifi (I don't have network at the location of my hifiset) except for a little begin-stutter in flac-files. Yesterday I switched the flac-decoding also to the SqueezeboxServer-pc and it now works really flawless via wifi !! When I have some time I would try to do the tests you mention, but at the moment I'll stick with a pc as server.. -- PeterLosseSchoenveter PeterLosseSchoenveter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
> What is needed is an automated function to connect to mysb.com to > update the clock at least daily. That's exactly what I'm saying there already is. If it doesn't work, we need to investigate why it doesn't. Did you check your Touch's server.log file (enable file sharing in settings/Advanced to get access to the logs)? There should be some log message if the server fails to connect to mysb.com. Can you listen to internet radio when connected to the embedded server? -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
mherger;557527 Wrote: > > > > This should already be happening: communication with mysb.com includes > a > time stamp. When this gets out of sync (> 15s) the embedded server > should > set the device's clock (see Slim::Utils::OS::SqueezeOS). If this > doesn't > work, then we need to fix this mechanism. Did you file a bug report? > > -- > > Michael I'm using the Touch to play Flac from an USB hdd, w/o a SB server and my Touch didn't get in contact with mysb.com until I manually do it (settings->advanced->networking->connect to mysqueezebox.com) It this scenario the Touch didn't update the clock and it gets out of sync. What is needed is an automated function to connect to mysb.com to update the clock at least daily. Michele -- indigo indigo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
> Add code to SBS (not Squeezeplay!) so that if SBS is running on Touch > (i.e. if it is TinySC) *and* it appears that msntp is not in use (see > if the drift file has been accessed recently?), it will periodically > use async HTTP requests to MySB to get the date & update the clock on > Touch. This should already be happening: communication with mysb.com includes a time stamp. When this gets out of sync (> 15s) the embedded server should set the device's clock (see Slim::Utils::OS::SqueezeOS). If this doesn't work, then we need to fix this mechanism. Did you file a bug report? -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
> I've been working on this. Is there a bug report for this? Andy's insight might be helpful. -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] how to open up the squeezebox touch?
I have some very crude pictures of it somewhere. I'll see if I can find them and get them up on my web site. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Thanks for your suggestion again Jim, it solved my problem. I did not remove the embedded art (maybe I will, but just to test I didn't), but I sorted on %coversize% in Mp3Tag. This made it clear that I overlooked one (!) album with very large embedded art (> 300 Kb, about 2100 x 2100 pixels). After removing these embedded art, the artwork scan completed in 15 minutes. Because I already changed a lot, I'll do this whole process again in the coming period, just to see where the bottlenecks are. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
JohnSwenson;557427 Wrote: > > So what needs to be done to make things better? It seems that when > running TinySBS and an internet connection is available the Touch > should be updating its system time from an externat time server at > least once a day. Since MySB is also an ntp server there should be no > need to actually connect to the MySB SBS as a library, but just connect > to the ntp server to get to the time. This should be completely > transparent. I think we need a model that does not depend on NTP. There are enough folks out there with very restrictive firewalls that we should try to stick with SlimProto and Cometd if that's viable. Currently Touch appears to attempt a Comet date command every hour. One problem is that the Comet code in SqueezePlay does not allow specifying which server to send a Comet request to -- it seems to always query the current Music Source / master SBS/MySB instance, which is no good if you're using TinySC. So here's my simplistic proposal: Add code to SBS (not Squeezeplay!) so that if SBS is running on Touch (i.e. if it is TinySC) *and* it appears that msntp is not in use (see if the drift file has been accessed recently?), it will periodically use async HTTP requests to MySB to get the date & update the clock on Touch. Anyone concerned about privacy or network usage can configure msntp. For everyone else running TinySC, their system would ping MySB one time each hour. If you had 1 Touch and 4 Radios, with Touch serving as the music source, the Touch would make one request to MySB hourly, and Touch's clock would be used to keep the Radio clocks updated. This would not handle the use case of TinySC without an Internet connection; for that I'd suggest a 3rd-party applet for maintaining something like a drift file. (IIRC, the packaging for Touch says a broadband Internet connection is required.) Have a simple UI that tells the applet how many seconds to add or subtract each day (week?). Let the applet calculate the frequency of a 1 second drift and adjust the clock in 1 second increments at the appropriate interval. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] how to open up the squeezebox touch?
JohnSwenson;543334 Wrote: > > ...It worked fine on the SB3. For the SB3 I just ran a pigtail cable > (the rolled up twisted pair IDC cable) through one of the holes after I > took out the connector. Something similar could be done with the > Touch... > Hi John, I've been wanting to tap into the I2S of my SB3 for sometime now but I still haven't figured out how to go about it. Most discussions I've landed on are either missing info and/or too technical and/or without pics. At my level - without pics I really need to have it spelled out. So far the only mods I've done have been an upgraded power supply and replacing the RCA with a BNC. I just soldered a twisted pair to the pins prior to the RCA trace and ran it through a hole out to the connector. I have no idea if the impedance is right. I would have preferred doing this mod to the Touch but it's not yet available here in Canada so I figured, in the meantime, I could get some practice with the SB3. Anyhow what I'm driving at here, a you may have already guessed, is that I was wondering if there is some sort of E-Z to follow tutorial for this procedure somewhere. If not could some kind soul possibly make one available. Thanks -- Turnandcough Turnandcough's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Thank you for your suggestions Jim. I have reasons to embed the art on my main server, but these are invalid for the Touch attached USB drive. As soon as I have got time I will delete the embedded images from the flac files and see if this helps. I already followed your second suggestion: all cover files larger than about 125 Kb have been removed from the drive. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Teus de Jong;557472 Wrote: > I have a cover.jpg in each folder. In a lot of folders this cover is > also embedded in the flac files (my library contains only flacs). Like > I said, this started as an exact copy of my main library which > functions perfectly on my vortexbox sever. I have tried to solve > problems by finding large artwork files. If found, I have made them > smaller and embedded those smaller images in the tracks. If you have a cover.jpg in each folder, then why not remove the embedded images altogether? You're accomplishing nothing more than giving the scanner a _lot_ more work to do and greatly inflating the size of the cover art cache. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Teus de Jong;557470 Wrote: > 1. I don't _think_ it is crashing on the artwork scan, I _know_ it is > crashing during the artwork scan because I get an out of memory error > every time the artwork scan is started. > 2. I have tried to delete (or make smaller) all artwork larger than 500 > x 500 (in cover.jpg and embedded art, later also jpegs with other > names). It is possible I have missed one or two. That's why I am > looking for a means to see where the artwork scan crashes. I think I would be looking more toward size of the cover in bytes, rather than dimensions. Should be easy to do a directory search for any cover.jpg over some specific size in bytes. The tagging program Mp3tag offers a couple of variables for examining embedded cover art. Code: %_covers% Count of cover art in the tag of the file %_cover_size% Size of first cover art in the tag of the file in bytes %_cover_type% Cover type of first cover art in the tag of the file You could easily load up your whole library and the sort (or filter) by %_cover_size%. I have no idea, however, what a safe maximum size might be. Also make sure you don't have any bitmaps (bmp files) as embedded covers. I don't know whether or not the number of images embedded in a file will give the scanner problems, but it might also be something to watch. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
iPhone;557471 Wrote: > What does your tagging look like? On the artwork, is it embedded in each > song or album.jpg in each file folder? I have a cover.jpg in each folder. In a lot of folders this cover is also embedded in the flac files (my library contains only flacs). Like I said, this started as an exact copy of my main library which functions perfectly on my vortexbox sever. I have tried to solve problems by finding large artwork files. If found, I have made them smaller and embedded those smaller images in the tracks. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Teus de Jong;557470 Wrote: > 1. I don't _think_ it is crashing on the artwork scan, I _know_ it is > crashing during the artwork scan because I get an out of memory error > every time the artwork scan is started. > 2. I have tried to delete (or make smaller) all artwork larger than 500 > x 500 (in cover.jpg and embedded art, later also jpegs with other > names). It is possible I have missed one or two. That's why I am > looking for a means to see where the artwork scan crashes. > 3. I get exactly the same result in 7.6 and 7.5.1. > > Teus What does your tagging look like? On the artwork, is it embedded in each song or album.jpg in each file folder? -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
iPhone;557460 Wrote: > ... > To those thinking its crashing on album art scan, what is the highest > res art on the drive? My largest is 600 by 600 and I am not seeing scan > issues with the Touch firmware that is on the Touch from using the Beta > SBS 7.6 software on my Beta Server. 1. I don't _think_ it is crashing on the artwork scan, I _know_ it is crashing during the artwork scan because I get an out of memory error every time the artwork scan is started. 2. I have tried to delete (or make smaller) all artwork larger than 500 x 500 (in cover.jpg and embedded art, later also jpegs with other names). It is possible I have missed one or two. That's why I am looking for a means to see where the artwork scan crashes. 3. I get exactly the same result in 7.6 and 7.5.1. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
chzhzhang;557445 Wrote: > How do you install the beta version of software? You have to have an SBS PC/Server and download the 7.6 Beta to run on it. Once you have done that, the Touch will ask to update the firmware. Now the Touch has a higher level of firmware which is the current Beta. If you log the Touch back into production MySB.com or SBS 7.5.1, it will want to update again, but that will be a fall back to the old firmware. IOW, it is reversible. To those thinking its crashing on album art scan, what is the highest res art on the drive? My largest is 600 by 600 and I am not seeing scan issues with the Touch firmware that is on the Touch from using the Beta SBS 7.6 software on my Beta Server. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Teus de Jong;557412 Wrote: > I have the same problem as the OP and I don't think drive space is the > problem (in my case I'm even sure of that). As I already said in two > other threads: there's something wrong with the artwork scanning. I'm > almost sure there will be an out of memory message during artwork > scanning in the log. > > The problem is that I still don't know how to debug the artwork > scanning to see at which file/folder the crash occurs. I have a small > collection working (3000 tracks). But a disk with a copy of my main > library (about 19000 tracks) chokes on the artwork scan. I have already > deleted a lot of artwork, but it keeps crashing. John Svensson promised > me to look how to set debugging for artwork scanning, so I'm waiting > for that. > > Teus I just saw your post. Actually the partition with music has a total space of 1.5 TB and music files only take 1.0TB. So disk space is not the issue. I have probably the same issue as you described earlier, including the two situations you mentioned after restarting TinySBS. If I understand it correctly, the problem occurs when the scanner perl script tries to read the embedded art rather than images in the folder (covers, etc.). Do you guys think there would be a way to either fool the program or totally stop it from doing artwork scan? -- chzhzhang chzhzhang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
JohnSwenson;557429 Wrote: > I've been working on this. I have yet to find a way to get the details > of the artwork scan to show up in the log file. Its easy on the > external SBS, but TinySBS doesn't seem to want to let that information > show up in the log file. Since its the same code there has to be > something in some configuration file that is different in these two > situations, but I haven't found it yet. Could it be the command line switches? Code: --nodebuglog => Disable all debug-level logging (compiled out). --noinfolog => Disable all debug-level & info-level logging (compiled out). Seems like a helluva thing to leave out. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
iPhone;557407 Wrote: > Sounds like you might have no room for Touch to work. The Touch needs > open drive space to write to the drive. Personally, I would have left > the drive as one large 1.5TB NTFS or ext3 partition. > > Do you have a small USB drive or Stick that you can use to test the > Touch? Remember it is going to take some time to scan 1TB, and again I > don't do anything with the Touch when its scanning. I start it and walk > away. > > Another heads up and remember there is no Tech Support for it because > its Beta, but I really prefer SBS 7.6 when using TinySC on the Touch. > Something to think about if you are adventurous. How do you install the beta version of software? -- chzhzhang chzhzhang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Thanks John, there's no need to hurry. However, it would be nice to find what's going wrong in the artwork scan. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WD Elements 1TB - Any good with "Touch"?
Hi Peter, this is an important case, its not power related or sleep setting related. These are the ones that we have no clue as to what is going. Its very difficult to try and come up with a fix if nobody knows whats causing the problem. Did you look at the log files? There might be important information in the logs that can point to what is going on. If it were me I would run some tests to try amd track things down. You are certainly not required to do any of this. If you wish it would be a big help in tracking down what is going on. First off look at log files, see if anything interesting shows up there. If there are now hints from the log files I would then try hardware compatibilities next. First off would be to try different USB cables and lengths. Then I would find someone else with a Touch and see if it works there or not. If the problems persist with different cables and different Touches would try a different drive of the same model. If that works its probably something wrong with the particular drive. If two drives have the same problem, on more than one Touch then this looks like there is something endemic in the combination of that drive type and the Touch design. In which case some serious debugging needs to go on to try and determine if its a hardware or software issue and if anything can be done about it. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB Powered Hub
I would certainly try the powered hub. It may fix the problem. It may not. It depends on whats causing the problem in the first place. There are some drives that seem to be right on the edge power consumption wise and certain operations push them over the edge and they loose connection. External power can be the fix for these. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79877 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Teus de Jong;557412 Wrote: > I have already deleted a lot of artwork, but it keeps crashing. John > Svensson promised me to look how to set debugging for artwork scanning, > so I'm waiting for that. > > Teus I've been working on this. I have yet to find a way to get the details of the artwork scan to show up in the log file. Its easy on the external SBS, but TinySBS doesn't seem to want to let that information show up in the log file. Since its the same code there has to be something in some configuration file that is different in these two situations, but I haven't found it yet. I'll do some more work on it today. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
I ran some tests last night to get a baseline as to how the Touch currently behaves. I put together a system with a Touch, vortexbox and a laptop, all hardwired to a switch without an internet connection. I put static IPs on everything. With the Touch looking at the vortexbox the Touch will sync to the vortexbox time at boot, and occasionally after that. I changed the time on the vortexbox, the Touch did not immediately update its time but it did update sometime over night. I'm not exactly sure when or what the period was. But sometime between 1am and 7am the Touch synced up to the vortexbox. I tried the Touch runny TinySBS, it did NOT get time from the vortexbox unless I switched to the vortexbox SBS, at which point it updated immediately. I tried without the vortexbox connected, running off TinySBS. The time in this situation on the Touch is random. The time CAN be set with the date command via SSH. If I add an internet connection the Touch will connect to MySB at boot time and get time from it. It does NOT seem to make periodic checks with MySB, thus the drift over long times. You CAN update via MySB by explicetly connecting to mysqueezebox.com (settings->advanced->networking->connect to mysqueezebox.com). This WILL immediately set the time on the Touch. The Touch does have msntp but it doesn't look like its being used. I'm not up on msntp so I'm not sure if it can be used to connect to a server and keep a drift file. So what needs to be done to make things better? It seems that when running TinySBS and an internet connection is available the Touch should be updating its system time from an externat time server at least once a day. Since MySB is also an ntp server there should be no need to actually connect to the MySB SBS as a library, but just connect to the ntp server to get to the time. This should be completely transparent. In the situation where there is NO internet connection there should be a GUI to set the time manually, and it would be really nice if this could be used to train a drift file, so that after a few manual updates the drift file technique could keep the time accurate over long periods of time. Where things get dicey is if you ARE connected to an external server AND the internet. The approach in this case seems to be that the server you are connected to takes precedence over an internet time server. If this is kept it seems like the Touch then needs to change where it syncs to depending on what type of server its connected to. If its connected to an external SBS (but not MySB) it uses the external SBS and does NOT get time from an ntp server. IF its connected to TinySBS, it ignores the time from that SBS and gets it from an ntp server (maybe MySB). So what happens if you switch back and forth? How about this as an algorithm: Every hour update the time, if currently connected to an SBS that is not running on its own hardware, get the the time from the SBS. If connected to TinySBS on its own hardware try and connect to an ntp server. If not connected to ANY SBS try and connect to an ntp server. If we use this, do we maintain a drift file and what do we update it from? It seems that sometimes updating from an ntp server and sometimes from an SBS which gets its time from some machine which may not be synched to an ntp server could be very bad. Do we ignore external SBS time and just use ntp server and keep drift file and live with the fact that Touch time might be different from server time? Does the user have to choose which scheme they want to use based on their primary usage (primarily external SBS or primarily TinySBS)? I think there are a fair amount of subtleties as to how the system should work that need to get hammered out before implementations are put into place. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
I have the same problem as the OP and I don't think drive space is the problem (in my case I'm even sure of that). As I already said in two other threads: there's something wrong with the artwork scanning. I'm almost sure there will be an out of memory message during artwork scanning in the log. The problem is that I still don't know how to debug the artwork scanning to see at which file/folder the crash occurs. I have a small collection working (3000 tracks). But a disk with a copy of my main library (about 19000 tracks) chokes on the artwork scan. I have already deleted a lot of artwork, but it keeps crashing. John Svensson promised me to look how to set debugging for artwork scanning, so I'm waiting for that. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Sounds like you might have no room for Touch to work. The Touch needs open drive space to write to the drive. Personally, I would have left the drive as one large 1.5TB NTFS or ext3 partition. Do you have a small USB drive or Stick that you can use to test the Touch? Remember it is going to take some time to scan 1TB, and again I don't do anything with the Touch when its scanning. I start it and walk away. Another heads up and remember there is no Tech Support for it because its Beta, but I really prefer SBS 7.6 when using TinySC on the Touch. Something to think about if you are adventurous. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
I'm running (almost) standalone. My Touch is about 4 minutes slow at the moment. After many tries, I managed to get about an 8% quality wireless connection to a friend's router to get the clock in the first place. So I'm reluctant to reboot, but it's good to know what I need to do to get the clock reset. -- R Johnson R Johnson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?
Well the only plus I am going to say here is the Squeezebox touch server (in the touch itself) indeed is a capable unix system and comes with many (if not all) standard unix features, although I think the credit goes to unix and open source communities, not logitech. I have had frustrating experience with connecting SB touch to FAT32 external drives and would not detail it here. Since then I have reformatted the disk to ext3, broken all files into separate FLAC tracks without cue sheet. Now the drive is loaded with some 65,000 files including FLAC and cover arts and taking about 1 TB from a 1.5 TB ext partition. There is another separate 500 GB FAT partition. The first issue was SB touch automatically picks up the first partition on the disk, and that happened to be the empty FAT partition. I notice that after the software update I can now see two usb devices to choose from (Good!), but I managed to log into the SB touch via SSH and use fdisk that comes with it to relabel the partitions and that worked too! Now I can monitor the performance of SB touch from my computer (SSHed to SB touch). Apparently both drives were mounted automatically and successfully and I can browse them with no difficulty at all from the terminal. Starting the server and it looks for media files, it only took less than 1 hr to discover all files (very good!) and another couple of minutes to detect deleted files. But it crashed immediately when it tried to scan cover arts. That was supposedly going to take 8 hrs as it said. I tried again but failed at the same spot (1% or less). Throughtout the process I monitored the memory and cpu usage of different processes and "slimserver" and "jive" used most of the memory, although they did not use up all. After it crashed I could not browse the music folder and had to restart the SB server. Now this time it just halted there at the "scanning for medial files" stage without any success. But I can browse through music folder and play tracks. I was running short of time so only played one track (one movement from Mozart's concerto for flute and harp) and it was fine. The cover picture was shown well after around 10 seconds into music play. I have two questions: 1. How does album artwork scan work? Does it try to assign separate jpg files in each folder to separate tracks, or it searches for ID3 tags and cover arts embedded in each track? 2. If I got rid of all pictures, would that cure the problem? I liked the SB touch because of the sound quality and its features as a stand alone music player. I see no problem of not running the server or scanning the media files but simply browsing music folders to play tracks. I do not care whether I can browse by artists or album or search. In this case I think the slimserver script, or its subprocesses stalled in the second time when I attach the USB drive, but that saved the music performance. Someone said it's unjust to blame a $300 device for not working as we expect it to be. I never expect or want it to work like an IPod but can handle a large number of files in an external hard drive. If it could just serve as a standalone unix server that can read files from USB drives and play them with mplayer (again no credit to logitech) that's perfect. So my final question, is there any way, or any chance that we can disable the album scanning but simply play music tracks by browsing folders? For example, but revising the slimserver perl script, or by disable the database. There must be a way to do this. I have yet to spend more time looking at the log files and the script myself. Here are just summaries from my experiences yesterday. -- chzhzhang chzhzhang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79943 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
rhswain;557349 Wrote: > False alarm. > > Turns out that my Kill-A-Watt is flawed. When plugged in, but bearing > no load (nothing plugged into it) it reads 33 watts. If you accept 33 > as its "zero", getting 36 is reasonable when the Touch is plugged into > it. > > (They don't have zero calibration knobs on these new fangled devices, > do they?) > > Sorry to have not investigated this more carefully before posting. Is it the P3 model? If you bought it from Home Depot, Best Buy, or some place like that, I would take it back and get a new one and test it before you leave. Or if its still under warranty, get it replaced. If its showing 33 Watts all the time its bad and just subtracting 33W isn't a good solution because what else is wrong inside causing the unit to read 33 Watts without a load? IE is it more then just a unit that wasn't calibrated before it left the line? -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
PeterLosseSchoenveter;557365 Wrote: > Thanks Teus for your reply. > > But isn't there any conversion then? Is flac 'just' compressed pcm? The right answer as far as I know is yes. From the official FLAC site: 'The encoding of audio (PCM) data incurs no loss of information, and the decoded audio is bit-for-bit identical to what went into the encoder.' Of course there are several ways of compressing/decompressing files; therefore we have zip, rar, 7zip, etc. In the same way there are several lossless codecs. But they have one thing in common: if what is encoded is PCM, the same PCM comes out the decoding process. There is no conversion of format. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
woodnut;557358 Wrote: > Thanks again for those recommendations. > > > The SheevaPlug looks very interesting and not too expesnive either. > Maybe one for the future. > > > Yes I did take the jitter comments with a pinch of salt but was > interested in hearing any further thoughts on compression levels and > how this affects decoding. > > I haven't yet received my Toshiba 1TB external USB drive yet but does > anyone know if it is a standard feature for all modern drives that the > sleep modes can be adjusted or turned off? If the sleep mode causes > issues with playback as some have reported I hope this is user > adjustable on the drive I have bought. > > > Thanks. If jitter is an issue for you, then buy a Transporter. The Touch is completely fine for 99% of the Users out there, so don't worry about jitter with the Touch for you're not going to be able to hear any jitter during playback. As for FLAC compression, I am of the opinion it has NO affect on audio quality for the file is the file is the file IE music in the form of ones and zeros. After the lossless file is decompressed the ones and zeros are identical to the original CD that was ripped no matter what level of compression that was selected. Unlike MP3 where the file is no longer a copy of the original because data has been thrown away to make the file smaller, FLAC uses file compression similar to how one uses Zip to make a Word doc smaller to send over the Internet. So again, how can there be any impact on audio quality? The compression level in my mind has two main effects, one is the amount of disk space required for the file and two being the amount of CPU processing power needed to decompress the file. Zero means one needs loads of disk space and very little CPU time while -8 means least amount of hard drive space but loads of CPU time and a better processor. Its a compromise no matter what one picks but NOT a compromise in audio quality no matter what one picks. If one uses -5, this subject can basically be swept aside and the music enjoyed! Don't worry about the Toshiba USB drive. Get your music on it after it comes, let Touch scan it, and enjoy the music. If you see issues when coming back to the Touch with it not wanting to start playing music, then we can look at sleep/spin down but only if its a problem. What is that movie line, "There is nothing to worry about until there is something to worry about!". -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
Teus de Jong;557351 Wrote: > No. There is no recoding only decoding. When streaming FLAC to the > Touch, the decoding takes place in the Touch, when streaming PCM it > takes place on the server. Some people think the latter leads to better > sound quality. > > Teus > > PS. Walking with loose shoelaces can be dangerous :-) Thanks Teus for your reply. But isn't there any conversion then? Is flac 'just' compressed pcm? -- PeterLosseSchoenveter PeterLosseSchoenveter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Thanks again for those recommendations. The SheevaPlug looks very interesting and not too expesnive either. Maybe one for the future. Yes I did take the jitter comments with a pinch of salt but was interested in hearing any further thoughts on compression levels and how this affects decoding. I haven't yet received my Toshiba 1TB external USB drive yet but does anyone know if it is a standard feature for all modern drives that the sleep modes can be adjusted or turned off? If the sleep mode causes issues with playback as some have reported I hope this is user adjustable on the drive I have bought. Thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
PeterLosseSchoenveter;557331 Wrote: > I have a question: When I decide to stream flac-file's as > pcm to my sb-touch am I losing soundquality due to the > recodeprocess?? No. There is no recoding only decoding. When streaming FLAC to the Touch, the decoding takes place in the Touch, when streaming PCM it takes place on the server. Some people think the latter leads to better sound quality. Teus PS. Walking with loose shoelaces can be dangerous :-) -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
False alarm. Turns out that my Kill-A-Watt is flawed. When plugged in, but bearing no load (nothing plugged into it) it reads 33 watts. If you accept 33 as its "zero", getting 36 is reasonable when the Touch is plugged into it. (They don't have zero calibration knobs on these new fangled devices, do they?) Sorry to have not investigated this more carefully before posting. -- rhswain rhswain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB Powered Hub
I think the common wisdom here is that it is best to power external USB drives from a source other than the TOUCH itself. So yes, a hub might be useful. Not sure that is causing your problem, but a good idea to use hub nonetheless. I have seen other posts indicating that the thumbs on mp3 is a bug introduced in latest software. So that will likely be fixed with the next version. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79877 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
I run the same server as you under WHS and connect my Touch over wifi. I have absolutely no issues in terms of connectivity or reliability of streaming. My original plan was to use a network lead to connect the Touch to the router but the wifi worked so well I never bothered to do it. Would suggest you go for the easiest solution first. You can always adapt IF necessary. -- spile spile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37780 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
woodnut;557328 Wrote: > Thanks. > > > Does the file format FAT32 or NTFS make a difference to the Touch in > terms of ease of access? > > I am tempted to rip the Flac files at 0 if this helps the Touch decode > the Flacs more easily. I have read conflicting reports on this all over > the web some say the decoding is nearly the same for all levels, some > say 0-2 is better for ease of decoding. I read a report where a user > claimed that anything above 0 intruduced jitter caused by the CPU > having to work harder. > > I guess the NAS is something for the future if I run into problems. I > really want to avoid having the computer on if it is possible. 1. 99% of what you read about jitter on the internet is wrong, wrong, wrong. 2. compressing at zero is really a waste of space. I keep up with these discussions, and I've only seen serious discussion about issues with more than "5" on hi-rez files. If you use 5, you should be good to go. I use 5 for my flac files (with embedded album art). Remember FLAC is lossless. If you ripped at 5 and decided later that you wanted "0", you simply point and click at a batch of your files (50,000 even), and go away for 48 hours. When you return you'll have new FLAC files with a different compression. This is the beauty of having lossless to begin with. I used dbpa to convert all my FLAC -8 files to FLAC -5, with two or three mouse clicks. 3. Search this forum for comments on NAS's. Remember a NAS is a computer, just a small one. If you want a small computer to run your SB, consider the vortexbox appliance, an atom nettop, or a sheevaplug. And of course the beauty of SB stuff, is that your computer/NAS/harddrive can be in a completely different location than the SB. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB Powered Hub
Anyone? -- Ferdie Ferdie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79877 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
I have a question: When I decide to stream flac-file's as pcm to my sb-touch am I losing soundquality due to the recodeprocess?? -- PeterLosseSchoenveter PeterLosseSchoenveter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WD Elements 1TB - Any good with "Touch"?
JohnSwenson;556851 Wrote: > > First off, is the drive getting its power from the USB bus or does it > have its own power supply? > > > Does turning sleep off altogether make the connection problems go away? > > > Hi John, The drive has an external power supply I didn't tweak with the sleepsettings because my problems also occured in the middle of playing songs (so no reason to sleep for the drive) -- PeterLosseSchoenveter PeterLosseSchoenveter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Thanks. Does the file format FAT32 or NTFS make a difference to the Touch in terms of ease of access? I am tempted to rip the Flac files at 0 if this helps the Touch decode the Flacs more easily. I have read conflicting reports on this all over the web some say the decoding is nearly the same for all levels, some say 0-2 is better for ease of decoding. I read a report where a user claimed that anything above 0 intruduced jitter caused by the CPU having to work harder. I guess the NAS is something for the future if I run into problems. I really want to avoid having the computer on if it is possible. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
