Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Malfunctions after a drop down

2010-11-28 Thread Phil Leigh

Opening a Touch is easy but it is NOT advisable unless you know exactly
what you are doing as it is very easy to damage the delicate
connections to the screen.

I'd advise contacting Logitech to see about a warranty replacement...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB

2010-11-28 Thread snarlydwarf

HectorHughMunro;589562 Wrote: 
> It shouldn't really be this difficult should it?  We're only talking
> about the kind of technology that went to an early Ipod.  Surely the
> Touch is more powerful than that?

I don't recall any "early iPods" that had hundreds of gigs of music
files.

Actually, I don't know any current iPods that do.

Indexing 4G of files is not that hard, especially when the index is
actually made on a PC and uploaded to the iPod.

Indexing a terabyte of files is another matter entirely, especially
when the indexing must be done on the embedded device itself.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Multiple songs generated in a playlist

2010-11-28 Thread tspyder

I will take your advice and re-rip the same albums very carefully, using
FLAC. 
As an aside, I was having a problem with the mediasmart collector
finding the files, since I had them on an external hard drive to a PC.
I discovered that the server finds them more easily on the system hard
drive. It is possible that some of the albums actually resided in more
than one location. That may have resulted in a problem. The scan done
by squeezebox server would have found an album in more than one sub
folder on the ex495 music folder.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Multiple songs generated in a playlist

2010-11-28 Thread aubuti

Since you are just getting started, an important bit of advice is to rip
to FLAC files instead of WAV. The FLAC files preserve the full audio
quality of WAV, but take up much less disk space and much less network
bandwidth. More importantly, FLAC has excellent support for metadata
(tags), whereas there is no tagging standard for WAV. You need good
metadata/tags to really leverage the SB system, and dBpoweramp is an
excellent tool for fetching the tag information and writing it to FLAC
files.

If you don't have cue sheets then don't worry about them. Most users
don't use them and are fine without them. 

As for your original problem, that's an odd one. I expect it's
something wrong with the way you are ripping, but it's hard to say from
the info provided.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Multiple songs generated in a playlist

2010-11-28 Thread tspyder

Further review of albums loaded in indicates that not all of them result
in the extra songs duplication in the playlist, and that when they do
duplicate, all of them, including the last one, are duplicated.

(Remember, I am just beginning to experiment with this equipment and
have only loaded down about 6 cd's so far.)

I do have the volume set to 100 on the Touch. 

I am ripping the cds using Dbpoweramp and creating wav files.

I do not have any playlists previously created. I have simply been
using the squeezebox software to pick the albums and then saving the
list on the HP.

What is a "CUE sheet."


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch USB port as digital output to DAC?

2010-11-28 Thread JohnSwenson

You can find the instructions here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82110


John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Server/Touch: "Your player was not found."

2010-11-28 Thread Mnyb

Firewall, you did open port 3483 tcp and udp and port 9000 tcp.

3483 is the server discovery among other-things here the players
broacast their presence and the server could pick them up . This
requires that every is on the same network wich it usually is on most
peoples network.

There is a connect to remote server kind of setting in the Touch where
one can specifically type in the ip of a server, if you got a
complicated network and this does not work.

Switching between local sbs and mysb.com is not necessary sbs has
settings for you mysb.com creds so everything including apps and radio
can be done from your local server with better performance.

The "switch to mysqueezebox com" setting can be moved up to the top
menu. It's lurking in the settings > advanced > networking ?

When you got the Touch to see your local server, it should also be
automatic sort off, if you are on mysb.com and chooses the "my music"
menu it should offer to connect to the local server (if it can see it )


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB

2010-11-28 Thread JohnSwenson

zub;591400 Wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> I find that running a NAS just for the Touch is too much hassle and is
> also energy hungry. 
> 
> However, the problem is that I would also like to get access to the USB
> hard drive where is my music from other device or computer.And, also,
> the hard drive connected to my touch is not very beautiful and looks
> crappy in my bedroom.
> 
> Thus, I think that the best way is to have the hard drive somewhere
> activated as a network drive. Some tiny routers/modems running on Linux
> have a usb plug and enable to share the hard drive connected to it.
> 
> As we are mastering the command line in ssh on the touch, I would like
> to know if you have a solution to prompt the TinySB to look into a
> network drive instead of the USB drive.
> 
> Is there a file that I can change to tell this TinySB to have a look at
> \\livebox\music.

The Tiny SBS is not designed to look at a network share. Under some
circumstances it can be done, but its not easy. Its WAY better to run
SBS on the external box which is also serving up files to other
computers. This works very well and gives you the full functionality of
SBS. This is what vortexbox does, its a linux server that has SBS and
samba for sharing any files on the box with other computers. You can
set it up as a video server as well. It also has a DLNA server. 

If you want something really small and silent but still quite powerful
a FitPC2 running vortexbox software is great. The cheapest way to do
this is with a sheevaplug and squeezeplug software, but I don't think
it comes out of the box setup as a general purpose file server, but
setting it up to do so is not very difficult (WAY easier than getting
TinySBS to read a network share)

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Multiple songs generated in a playlist

2010-11-28 Thread snarlydwarf

tspyder;591541 Wrote: 
> I have just installed a Touch and have the squeezebox server running on
> an HP ex495 server. Therefore i am just experimenting and attempting to
> become familiar with the set up. In general all is working fine except
> for two items.
> 1) When the squeezebox software scans my music files it generates what
> appears to be a proper list of albums. Looking at he songs in those
> albums at that point shows one entry for each song on the album, as
> expected. When the album is selected to be played, the playlist now
> shows 3 entries for each song. They all play consecutively when that
> playlist is used. I can delete the extra entries, but that is a
> nuisance. Also, the last song from any given album appears only once.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

What format of files?  Using CUE sheets?  Have playlists?  

> 
> 2) The sound level of the songs are much lower than what is experienced
> when the same cd's are played on a standard cd player. On my amp, a
> level of about 12 would require a setting of 2 to 25 to achieve the
> same volume.


Your cd player most likely does not have a volume control of its own.

The touch does.

To make it act like it does not, set it to 100%.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] DIY DAC for Touch

2010-11-28 Thread JohnSwenson

You are right, I have not heard this particular one, but I have built
over thirty DACs with many different DAC chips, IV and output stage
topologies. I have also heard many DACs that I have not built myself
with even wider set of components and topologies. From all this I have
a fairly good set of correlations as to what things are important and
what works well together. 

>From what I can see on the net and read from people that have worked
with this DAC I see nothing that would indicate it would sound better
than a Touch with the PS I mentioned, configured properly, especially
if you bypass the output caps. 

Note I said there is a low probability it will sound better than the
properly setup Touch. It might still be an incredibly great sounding
DAC that puts a well setup Touch to shame, but I really doubt it. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Setting presets on the Touch?

2010-11-28 Thread morthan

I have confirmed with Logitech that the 1-9 buttons on the Touch remote
cannot be used for presets, favourites or anything else. Why I am at a
complete loss to explain and Logitech customer service surely didnt
know. 'Bandi' can you either post or pm me with a step by step
instruction on how you were able to map presets to the 1-9 buttons?
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[SlimDevices: Touch] Multiple songs generated in a playlist

2010-11-28 Thread tspyder

I have just installed a Touch and have the squeezebox server running on
an HP ex495 server. Therefore i am just experimenting and attempting to
become familiar with the set up. In general all is working fine except
for two items.
1) When the squeezebox software scans my music files it generates what
appears to be a proper list of albums. Looking at he songs in those
albums at that point shows one entry for each song on the album, as
expected. When the album is selected to be played, the playlist now
shows 3 entries for each song. They all play consecutively when that
playlist is used. I can delete the extra entries, but that is a
nuisance. Also, the last song from any given album appears only once.

What am I doing wrong?

2) The sound level of the songs are much lower than what is experienced
when the same cd's are played on a standard cd player. On my amp, a
level of about 12 would require a setting of 2 to 25 to achieve the
same volume.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Server/Touch: "Your player was not found."

2010-11-28 Thread New2SBT

Thank you again, toby10.  Late last night, well after I had posted my
last note, I got it to work.  On yet another PC.  So, it must have been
the firewall/anti virus software on the first two PCs.

But even when I got the Touch to connect to the SBS it was kind of
iffy.  The SBS showed up on the display of the Touch, and I could then
change the library; I was not able to "select" the Touch from the SBS
web browser.  And when wanting to turn back to mysqueeze3box.com I had
to do it manually.  But that is just a minor issue.  Now I need to
transfer all my files.

Thanks for everyone's help!

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is it possible to synchronize playback between two Touch boxes?

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

Add me to the A5 recommendation.  Touch + A5's is a killer and versatile
combination.
A5's MSRP is $349, regularly available for $299, I got mine for $249.
Sonos wants $399 for their player/speaker combo.  But the A5's will
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch USB port as digital output to DAC?

2010-11-28 Thread Kal Rubinson

joelha;591497 Wrote: 
> Thanks for the reply, Kal.
> 
> Where can I find the instructions to make this happen?
> 
> The Ayre link appears not to be good anymore and of course, I've read
> your excellent article on the Touch which started this madness for me
> in the first place.
> 
> With USB only DACs, this solution is critical.
> 
> JoelIt was posted by John Swenson on another thread here.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch USB port as digital output to DAC?

2010-11-28 Thread joelha

Thanks for the reply, Kal.

Where can I find the instructions to make this happen?

The Ayre link appears not to be good anymore and of course, I've read
your excellent article on the Touch which started this madness for me
in the first place.

With USB only DACs, this solution is critical.

Joel


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2010-11-28 Thread tmauceri

Apesbrain;591231 Wrote: 
> Good luck holding on until Christmas. In the meantime you may want to
> install 'SqueezePlay'
> (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6) (bottom of page) on
> your PC so you can get used to the Touch interface.  Sign up for a
> 'MySqueezebox' (http://www.mysqueezebox.com/index/Home) account and you
> can use SqueezePlay to listen to internet radio and other music
> services.

Thanks I didn't know about Sqeezeplay. I'll give it a shot.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Malfunctions after a drop down

2010-11-28 Thread linvale

I doubt dropping will harm software - tends to bounce well ;-) You may
well have loosened something on the board - and this could give some
erratic behavior. If you are adventurous (ad this will void your
warranty) open it up and see if any of the cards are loose
Some of the folks on the DIY forum may be able to help with what is
likely to be rattled and where to poke.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread linvale

I have a ReadyNas duo which I bought hoping to be able to run squeeze
center. It's not just the web interface that's slow - it's that
handling of album art is painful (6hrs+ for a small 400 album
collection). I use it now as an excellent file server and bought the
little atom powered Revo box to act as the media server (which it does
superbly - same rescan in 30 mins). 

I recently set up a system at my girlfriends where I had a readyNas set
up and added a small barebone atom server, with cheap 32G SSD and 2Gig
of memory for under $200 from NewEgg - I intalled Vortexbox onto this
and run it headless. The performance is astonishing and I can leave it
unattended for weeks (connected to a UPS) and its simplified my
maintenance of this system completely. 

The ReadyNas is underpowered as a lot of floating point calculations
are needed for the artwork rescaling I believe - so you need a better
chip if you want this to be handled well - maybe the new atom based
RedyNas duo that is about to be launched will have the power -
certainly looks that way, but I don't know the price.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread Pascal Hibon

I’ve has a ReadyNAS NV+ before running SBS, two SB3’s and one Boom. I
used iPeng remote as well. The NV+ is comparable to the DUO performance
wise. The NV+ does fine when only using the SB’s to stream music. Once
you ask a bit more, such as using the iPeng remote, things became quite
slow. Also iPeng is quite slow on the NV+.

I decided to sell my NV+ and I bought an NVX instead. The difference is
huge. Performance with the NVX is top notch. I can only suggest you to
do the same: sell the DUO and get an x86 powered ReadyNAS. The NVX
Pioneer of the ULTRA series is what you need to look at.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is it possible to synchronize playback between two Touch boxes?

2010-11-28 Thread linvale

Well I would certainly endorse the Audioengine's - I am happily
listening to my A5s no,w but I do have a sub connected - so the A2s may
be a better choice for full frequency(and you will be getting a sound
most audiophiles recognise as good value for money). Of course the boom
or radio sound great in non audiophile locations. It's also fairly easy
to get an inexpensive amp and tuck it away to power a whole range of
good value bookshelves. I've always found when it comes to making my
girlfriend happy with this type of product simplicity of interface (it
should just work), good looks (ie be unobtrusive) and that sound
quality comes last (thinking about it - isn't that how girls pick their
men on the whole?).
Anyway a touch with A5s would fit that description very well


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Cheers mate.
Will report back my experience with the touch and nas.

And then later the sheevaplug :-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

markhula;591475 Wrote: 
> Your right; I can't take it with me.
> 
> Problem is I haven't got it to start with!!! - don't tell the misses!
> :-)))
> 
> Tell me how easy setting up the sheevaplug is just to be a slim
> streamer; so that it pulls the files off the nas.
> If it is *so* simple then I am slightly happier because I have a plan
> 'B' and get to keep the touch! ;-))
> 
> Cheers

lots of folks seem happy with it. I haven't set mine up yet. But read
the last few pages of this thread and the wiki.

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezePlug
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76466&highlight=squeezeplug


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Your right; I can't take it with me.

Problem is I haven't got it to start with!!! - don't tell the misses!
:-)))

Tell me how easy setting up the sheevaplug is just to be a slim
streamer; so that it pulls the files off the nas.
If it is *so* simple then I am slightly happier because I have a plan
'B' and get to keep the touch! ;-))

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

markhula;591471 Wrote: 
> I'm gonna buy it.
> 

Yep, you knew that the first time you looked at the TOUCH


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Thanks man.
I realize it's a speed issue; not its ability to actually stream.
I won't access slim via web-access; I'm convinced thats slow.
So it would be via the touch interface or ipeng.

You know what I am going to do don't you? :-)

I'm gonna buy it.

And I'll love it.

Then when I try and search or skip track via the NAS I'm gonna hate
it.

But I still will want it.

Then I will have to buy a sheevaplug or something.

And I'll complain about the extra money I have spent.

:-

That's what usually happens anyway! LOL!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

And hey, you can't take it with you. This stuff is addictive. I started
with a BOOM just to listen to internet radio bedside. Now I have 2
booms, 3 Touches, a Transporter, a RADIO, two controllers, and iPENG.
And I have a Vortexbox Appliance with 6TB of drives. And I have a
sheevaplug I've yet to setup that I plan on using at the cabin.

(and after ripping about 6,000 CDs to mp3 years ago, I'm on a mission
to rerip everything as FLAC).

Oh well, keeps me out of trouble. ;-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

markhula;591465 Wrote: 
> Hey Garym,
> 
> Yeah, we are both in the same boat.
> One would assume a relatively low spec pc (like the readynas) would
> stream slim no probs.
> I got rid of my pc specifically for the NAS!; one solution for
> everything!!!
> Always on, consumes little power sounds PERFECT in theory..
> I have around 12 computers in my house; so to get rid of a few down to
> 1 nas sounded too great too miss!
> I have looked into the sheevaplug (more bleeding money!) I don't really
> want to spend days setting it up; after-all we want to just hear the
> audio! :-)
> Could gamble on the touch; then send it back if unhappy I guess.
> 
> I use to cuzz my mp101 (never worked wirelessly, hence now wired) and
> now it is flawless if a little primitive; but it works EVERY time!
> :-
> 
> Too spend(waste?) or not to spend that is the question.
> 
> Over clock the nas!:-)
> 
> Cheers

Keep in mind that the readynas streams music perfectly! I even used it
for lossless FLAC files and I was streaming wirelessly across the
house. That wasn't the problem. The problem was the web interface (or
ipeng) in navigating around my music collection (which I do quite a
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Hey Garym,

Yeah, we are both in the same boat.
One would assume a relatively low spec pc (like the readynas) would
stream slim no probs.
I got rid of my pc specifically for the NAS!; one solution for
everything!!!
Always on, consumes little power sounds PERFECT in theory..
I have around 12 computers in my house; so to get rid of a few down to
1 nas sounded too great too miss!
I have looked into the sheevaplug (more bleeding money!) I don't really
want to spend days setting it up; after-all we want to just hear the
audio! :-)
Could gamble on the touch; then send it back if unhappy I guess.

I use to cuzz my mp101 (never worked wirelessly, hence now wired) and
now it is flawless if a little primitive; but it works EVERY time!
:-

Too spend(waste?) or not to spend that is the question.

Over clock the nas!:-)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

Do you have an old computer you can just connect to your router with
ethernet and run sbS on it?  Or try the squeezeplug (sheevaplug). Or
try the TOUCH by itself with the internal SbS. I feel your pain. The
ReadyNas DUO was the worst money I ever spent. It works just fine, but
NOT as a good music server. But as you've seen, some folks are pretty
happy with it. I think you don't have the touch yet. First get the
touch. You'll love it. And you'll have lots of options to try
(readynas, built in SbS, etc.)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Hey garym,

I know!
But what should I do to get a decent slim server setup
Only just bought my NAS!!! :-(


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is it possible to synchronize playback between two Touch boxes?

2010-11-28 Thread garym

I love my audioengine powered speakers. A set of A5's at the weekend
cabin and a set of A2's connected to my computer at the office. Heck,
the A2's are probably even enough for the cabin!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is it possible to synchronize playback between two Touch boxes?

2010-11-28 Thread kjgarrison

Thanks linvale

Now, for me, comes the quest to find a decent pair of powered speakers
for the "other zones" where amplification without any ability to EQ is
acceptable.

It's in these non-audiophile locations that price /performance of
products like the Sonos are hard for the Touch to compete with, and I
definitely don't want a mixed setup for WAF and control purposes. After
all this whole project is to be her Christmas gift.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

markhula;591454 Wrote: 
> Maybe.
> The thing is as the ReadyNas Duo is sold as a "everything to everyman"
> it makes sense to have it do raid, backup to an external usb, file
> share, video stream to ps3 AND stream the audio.
> It's obvious perhaps that wasn't what it was intended for. But to have
> all files central at once source (the NAS) is idea if only it had the
> power!
> Wonder if the nas can be over-clocked :-)

You're trying to turn a ford pinto into a Shelby GT. Just won't work.
The readynas does a nice job as a file server, but it is not really a
computer that can run much software (remember NAS...network attached
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

toby10;591452 Wrote: 
> With just an MP3 collection, maybe just a USB drive connected to the
> Touch is all you need.

Yep, this simple setup has worked very well for my brother. USB drive
with about 50,000 mp3 files. He also serves these files to a Boom in
the bedroom. Both touch and boom are wifi connected. He's had no issues
since  setting up about 6 months or so ago.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Maybe.
The thing is as the ReadyNas Duo is sold as a "everything to everyman"
it makes sense to have it do raid, backup to an external usb, file
share, video stream to ps3 AND stream the audio.
It's obvious perhaps that wasn't what it was intended for. But to have
all files central at once source (the NAS) is idea if only it had the
power!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

markhula;591440 Wrote: 
> Thanks all.
> Might risk the purchase of a touch and run it on the nas; see how I
> go.
> Then if performance is that bad perhaps a squeezeplug? (again, not 100%
> certain what that is LOL)
> 
> Cheers

With just an MP3 collection, maybe just a USB drive connected to the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Thanks all.
Might risk the purchase of a touch and run it on the nas; see how I
go.
Then if performance is that bad perhaps a squeezeplug? (again, not 100%
certain what that is LOL)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

You could simply use a longer USB cable between Touch and USB drive,
then you can better hide the drive.
There is a way to access the USB drive attached to the Touch across the
network to add, delete, organize the drive files.  I do not know how to
do this but the answer is in this forum, somewhere.  :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread gmudunuri

I've had SBS on a ReadyNAS Duo controlled via iPeng for over an year
now. SB devices on wifi and the NAS wired to the wireless router. The
performance is quite decent, but occasionally it becomes slightly
unresponsive. For example starting or skipping a song might take 10
seconds. I have no problems playing an album uninterrupted. iPeng
certainly feels faster than the web interface. I think this is because
iPeng caches album/track/artwork. In general things have been
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

markhula;591411 Wrote: 
> Almost tempted to just keep my mp101 apart from the fact it won't play
> anything above 192kps and downgrading any music all the time is
> tedious.
> Funny how that crappy thing actually performs better than the modern
> 'flashier' options.

DLNA is very simplistic and restricted in what it can do vs the very
powerful attributes of a full blown server program like SBS server.
It's like comparing a DTV coupon box to an actual HDTV.  
Both will present the TV show (video and audio), but the coupon box has
many limitations, like limited to analog audio (no digital surround
audio) and limited to 480i (no HD video resolution).

Whether you need, want, desire these added features and benefits only
you can decide.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch-fatigue

2010-11-28 Thread Letten

Mnyb;591345 Wrote: 
> I did see this until now, there is function in your browser called
> "bookmark" or "favorite" you only need to do this once if your server
> is on static ip (or reserved DHCP) Not all networks resolve computer
> names mine does not for example

Odd, I thought it's normal to resolve computer names. Still, what's so
awfull about using DHCP Reservation then?

When "new" users experience network problem some people advice them to
go for static IP's and I think it's totally crazy advice.

Sometimes I think either the people giving the advice or the those
taking it don't understand the difference between "static IP vs DHCP
reservation". 

Static IP's are NOT needed for a squeezebox setup and regular users
should stay away from this.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Almost tempted to just keep my mp101 apart from the fact it won't play
anything above 192kps and downgrading any music all the time is
tedious.
Funny how that crappy thing actually performs better than the modern
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

I can only say that I bought the readynas duo specifically for storing
music and running SbS to feed several SB players. After a few weeks it
was obvious that it was way too painful to use ANY interface for
browsing or selecting music. I do have about 60,000 tracks. So I gave
up on the readynas. I just use if for some backup file storage now. I
initially just moved over to an old laptop and used it for running SbS.
It was fast, but noisy and used lots of power. the vortexbox appliance
uses less power, is fairly quiet, and is rock solid as a server. Plug
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Thanks for the info.
I do read conflicting reports about the readynas speed and streaming to
duo/touch.
I don't care if the web ui is slow (which apparently it is), or indeed
syncing the whole music database 10 times a day :-)))
Simply; find an album, play the track.
Is a duo running slim capable of doing that in a usable form i.e.
responsive?
I know thats slightly subjective; but you can see that essentially
'speed' for me is only in finding an album and playing it.

It's really tricky to know what to do as $ is limited and also
opinions do vary.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch-fatigue

2010-11-28 Thread m1abrams

Mnyb;591345 Wrote: 
> I did see this until now, there is function in your browser called
> "bookmark" or "favorite" you only need to do this once if your server
> is on static ip (or reserved DHCP) Not all networks resolve computer
> names mine does not for example

This is true, but this does not mean your players need static ips only
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

markhula;591394 Wrote: 
> vortexbox???
> 
> So basically a standalone slim server that can grab the files off the
> nas?
> If I used ipeng then I don't need a touch?; what do I need with a
> vortexbox ???
> 
> Just looked at vortexbox cost OUCH!...
> 
> Hmmm, my crummy mp101 uses readydlna and causes no strain to the nas.
> Why can't touch/duo have readydlna enabled?; would that not solve the
> problem???

The ipeng is simply an APP that runs on an iphone or itouch for
controlling a SB player (like a SB touch). The ipeng by itself is not
useful; you still need a SB player. The vortexbox is basically a
headless computer running linux and running SbS. It is fast and
efficient. Mine has 6TB of disk space so the files are on the Vortexbox
itself. Vortexbox is free (just a software installation). You can
install it on almost any old computer you have around.

You could also go with the sheevaplug approach have it use the files
that are on your readynas. Sheevaplug runs the SbS software (and much
better than a readynas duo, which is too underpowered), but files still
stored on readynas.

re dnla. Not that familiar with it, but I recall from other threads
that SbS doesn't currently work with dnla. Also some issues regarding
gapless playback, etc. Anyhow, see this thread:

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB

2010-11-28 Thread zub

Hello,

I find that running a NAS just for the Touch is too much hassle and is
also energy hungry. 

However, the problem is that I would also like to get access to the USB
hard drive where is my music from other device or computer.And, also,
the hard drive connected to my touch is not very beautiful and looks
crappy in my bedroom.

Thus, I think that the best way is to have the hard drive somewhere
activated as a network drive. Some tiny routers/modems running on Linux
have a usb plug and enable to share the hard drive connected to it.

As we are mastering the command line in ssh on the touch, I would like
to know if you have a solution to prompt the TinySB to look into a
network drive instead of the USB drive.

Is there a file that I can change to tell this TinySB to have a look at
\\livebox\music.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

vortexbox???

So basically a standalone slim server that can grab the files off the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread garym

toby10;591391 Wrote: 
> Yes, iPeng may be quicker than the Duet Controller, I dunno.  But
> everything is only as quick as your computer (NAS).  
> So even if iPeng communicates it's request quicker to the NAS, the NAS
> still has to process the request and return it to both the iPeng and
> the player.
> iPeng can't make the slow NAS processes any quicker.

True. I have readynas duo and ipeng (and controller). The readynas was
the thing slowing everything down. Played songs just fine, but
interface (on web, on ipeng, on controller) was way too slow. Switched
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

markhula;591384 Wrote: 
> Hmmm, I thought I read that ipeng was simply quicker (on the interface)
> than the touch's own.
> i.e. it became usable from a readynas duo.

Yes, iPeng may be quicker than the Duet Controller, I dunno.  But
everything is only as quick as your computer (NAS).  
So even if iPeng communicates it's request quicker to the NAS, the NAS
still has to process the request and return it to both the iPeng and
the player.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Hmmm, I thought I read that ipeng was simply quicker (on the interface)
than the touch's own.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Hi there,

It's a readynas duo.
Yes, I have been reading up and it doesn't sound too promising with the
nas.
All my music are mp3's so no massive flac's or transcoding required
:-)))
Obviously I would expect the touch interface (ipeng any good?) to be
fast and responsive; otherwise it's of no use (I realize the nas slim
server is the real issue here).
The web ui on the nas is slow; but for just maintenance etc. it's ok.
My mp101 handles the track changes/album changes with ease and speed;
so I *assume* a touch would be fine - also multiple touches off the
same nas; will that be fast enough?
I get the impression a shevaplug (I know nothing about these really!)
is a better solution.
Can I get the shevaplug to pull the files off the nas; and simply act
as the slimserver leaving the nas to be a nas! ;-)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

markhula;591369 Wrote: 
> 
> I have read that the iphone app ipeng is a better and faster way of
> controlling the slim server...

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] DIY DAC for Touch

2010-11-28 Thread praganj

JohnSwenson;591304 Wrote: 
> I would not recommend getting this DAC. The probability that it will
> sound better than a Touch on its own is pretty low. There is nothing in
> this design that is particularly better than what is in the Touch. 
> 
> If you really want to try something DIY build the power supply I've
> posted here. Its easy to build and can yield significant improvements
> in some systems. 
> 
> Also try Soundcheck's tweaks, I've heard significant improvements with
> thses. (its just software, you can always go back if you don't like
> it)
> 
> If you are really adventuresome you can take the Touch apart and bypass
> the output caps. 
> 
> A combination of these will give you quite a bit better sound than you
> can get from that DAC.
> 
> John S.

Hi John,

Have you heard this DAC ? No.

So how do you can write, that SBT with tweaks will sound better than
this DAC ? This is all theoretical speculation.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread Mnyb

Which "ready NAS" there is a lot of models ? from glacially slow to
quite good ?
:)

Note the Squeezeboxserver 7.5.x or better is needed (sugest 7.5.2
official is 7.5.1).

Here is the 3rd party hardware forum

http://forums.slimdevices.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18

Where most things NAS and homebuilt servers is discussed .

I also recommend you to try the search functions this is a very popular
question .

http://forums.slimdevices.com/search.php

"Slow" is very personal and subjective and can depend on file formats
size of collection, album artwork plugins etc.

It is usually the web-UI that takes the largest performance hit.

With a Touch it is handling of large playlists and updating artwork on
screens that will suffer most in my experience .

There is some things a non x86 machine can't do like transcoding.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and readynas

2010-11-28 Thread markhula

Hi,

Currently I have a hard wired netgear mp101 streamer; which seems to do
the job.
I was thinking of upgrading to the touch; but have read that the slim
server on the nas is incredibly slow.
Is this true?; I wish to have multiple streamers off the nas; so if one
is slow; multiple will cripple it.
I have read that the iphone app ipeng is a better and faster way of
controlling the slim server.

Has anyone used any of this combination?; and advice or suggestions
appreciated.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Server/Touch: "Your player was not found."

2010-11-28 Thread toby10

New2SBT;591322 Wrote: 
> 
> Internet radio works great, but the server software certainly was not
> created for the uninitiated...

Well, it works fine if something (like your suspected router) prevents
the player from seeing the server.  ;)
Example:  I've never experienced what you are seeing.  If SBS is
running my players always find it.  Never have problems switching
between SBS and MySB.

Any chance your router is an Apple product?  Certain Apple routers
create a "guest" connection for new devices.  This essentially places
the "guest" device on a separate network.
In this case your SBS server is on network 1, but your Touch is on
network 2.  Therefore, the two cannot see each other.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch-fatigue

2010-11-28 Thread Mnyb

Letten;590505 Wrote: 
> What's difficult about using: http:// servername :9000  ?
> 
> Heck of lot easier to remember than an IP-address if you ask me.
> 
> Using IP adressses just makes it more complicated, do You also call
> Your children by their social security number or do You use their name?
> ;-)
> 
> Excuse me for making fun, but things can get very "nerdy" in these
> forums and people tend to forget what it's like to be a "normal"
> non-techie person.

I did see this until now, there is function in your browser called
"bookmark" or "favorite" you only need to do this once if your server
is on static ip (or reserved DHCP) Not all networks resolve computer
names mine does not for example


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch-fatigue

2010-11-28 Thread Mnyb

reniera;590516 Wrote: 
> Of course I run only one server (dockstar). The fact we all have those
> discussions in the forum prooves that Squeezebox is NOT a simple /
> plug&play / out-of-the-shelf product. If Logitech was selling a server,
> we wouldn't have to care about all this crap. S%N%S may be a bit more
> expensive but it comes with the server and again, it just works.

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