Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
aubuti;539106 Wrote: > You missed his "real" conclusion: > > 5) Therefore the Touch is useless. > > Holy non sequitur Batman!Good point. In the midst of the Duet rant, I sorta > forgot that this was the Touch forum. But yes, that final leap is a tremendous paralogical paradiddle. -- Dogberry2 Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Dogberry2;539032 Wrote: > Did everybody follow the logic here? It goes like this: > > 1) Notec couldn't get the Duet to work > 2) Therefore Notec concludes the Duet doesn't work, and calls it a POS > 3) It then follows that nobody's Duet works > 4) Conclusion: People who say their Duets work are lying or deluded > You missed his "real" conclusion: 5) Therefore the Touch is useless. Holy non sequitur Batman! -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Actually on another thread hes singing the praises of the Touch...so the guys firmly got his tongue in his cheek methinks Americans huh? What you gonna do? :) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538730 Wrote: > Folks that claim they've never had issues with the duet either: > > 1) rarely use it > 2) have it setup right next to their router > 3) live in a dream world > Did everybody follow the logic here? It goes like this: 1) Notec couldn't get the Duet to work 2) Therefore Notec concludes the Duet doesn't work, and calls it a POS 3) It then follows that nobody's Duet works 4) Conclusion: People who say their Duets work are lying or deluded I think that pretty much says everything we need to know about the aptly-named Notec. Anybody possessing logical and analytical skills that can achieve such a very special degree of reasoning probably has difficulty working a toaster. So it really is no surprise that it was impossible for somebody like that to get a Duet working. People whose brains work that way walk among us, folks. They're even permitted to drive cars. So be careful out there. -- Dogberry2 Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538730 Wrote: > > The only successful org to ever tame the open source arena was/is > Mozilla.org. Logitech sold vaporware with the Duet. It's that simple. > > Folks that claim they've never had issues with the duet either: > > 1) rarely use it > 2) have it setup right next to their router > 3) live in a dream world > > Good luck to all you Touch owners. You're gonna need it to remotely > enjoy your music. To answer your questions and again false statements/comments: Just exactly what vaporware did Logitech sell? The NMP division doesn't even SALE software so how do they sell vaporware? I had one of the first Duets sold. It worked right out of the box. Took all of 7 minutes to setup. And actually, my Receiver is the farthest Squeezebox from my wireless router and I live in an over 5000 sqft home. But again, my network is properly setup with the wireless router in almost the exact middle of the house and on the middle of three floors, set to the channel with the least interference IE not the default channel. I don't have my router setup in the bedroom next to the PC and cable outlet and then expect the signal to go through multiple walls/floors to reach a Duet on the far end of the house. The second Duet took about 5 minutes to setup because I didn't have to read the directions. I am the furthest thing from a Fanboy. Do I enjoy my Squeezeboxes, I do, mainly because I love music and listen to music for 12 hours or more everyday. I have been in the last three beta programs and know I have told Logitech many many things they didn't want to hear. What good is a Fanboy when one is developing a new product. I am still upset/mad that the Touch needs an Internet connection for setup. I have a business model for the Touch that will not work because of this fact. Now for the three: 1) My Duets are used for a minimum of 4 hours a day. I am listening to one now. I even use one in one of my vehicles everyday. 2) Already covered, it is the furthest from my wireless router. 3) Actually I live in reality and know that the problem with just about anything is usually me or the fact that I will not except that something or anything could be wrong with something. I taught Introduction to Basic Programming in the 80's. It was evening classes so I had adults and students as young as 12 years old. The 12 year olds finished the whole course ahead of schedule and I had to come up with extra work for them. The adults did not complete all the programming assignments. Kids know and admit they messed up and then find the problem. Adults say the they did it right but the program just isn't doing the right thing and they feed it in again just to keep getting the wrong result. You seem to be are one of those adults. So if your definition of a dream world is properly working wireless network and always working Duets, maybe I am lucky enough to live in your dream world because that is exactly the world I am living in. PS. With a little work and proper troubleshooting while admitting that it just could be something other then the Duet, you could live in this world also. It could be as simple as buying a new router! -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Daverz;538666 Wrote: > Yes, but I want the improved transport electronics of the Touch as well. > I could always buy another Touch to use as a controller, but this is > starting to get expensive! At the current price of the Touch, yes, it would be expensive to buy one just to use it as a controller. The price will likely drop over time. I'm fortunate that where mine is I can use it as both easily. I have it connected to a headphone amp next to my "man chair", which sits in front of my main music listening setup which has a SBR connected to it. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538741 Wrote: > you have to ask? cant figure that out on your own, eh? OK, I'll bite. Can you tell us why? Though I don't agree with much of what you say, you actually make some valid points - yes, the duet had other issues than WiFi and yes, the product is developed by the same team on the same OS. That doesn't justify the hate toward the Touch however. As somebody that has suffered through issues with the Duet and currently owns both a Duet and a Touch, I can say that the release of the Touch is a completely different experience. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538741 Wrote: > you have to ask? cant figure that out on your own, eh? Please forgive me. Sometimes I forget that certain people actually prefer misery to solving their problem. Enjoy! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Notec, Can I helpfully suggest you go get attention from somewhere better...this is an Internet forum, not real life. Perhaps, say, from a member of the opposite sex? What age are you by the way "bro"? :) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Arguing with a troll is like mud wrestling with a pig. After a while you realize the pig likes it. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538741 Wrote: > you have to ask? cant figure that out on your own, eh? Wild guess, to Troll bash the products, create badwill lower the mood on the forum... Is it not more "logical" to bash the duet in the duet forum in treads on topics regarding the duets problems. But it is better Trolling to rant in unrelated treads. Your quote here is interesting, iPhone is probably correct then :) 1) rarely use it 2) HAVE IT SETUP RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR ROUTER 3) live in a dream world Your -are- one of those guys that can't get that your wifi may have problems. Or "live in dream world" where just because a product has wifi it works unconditionally under all circumstances for all people. If you want your questionary filled in 1 No 2 No 3 No, or can I pick a nice one :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
mlsstl;538734 Wrote: > > > I guess my question is why are you still here? There are other players > on the market. Why not sell yours on eBay or Audiogon, buy something > else and move on? you have to ask? cant figure that out on your own, eh? -- notec notec's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538730 Wrote: > Folks that claim they've never had issues with the duet either: > > 1) rarely use it > 2) have it setup right next to their router > 3) live in a dream world > > Good luck to all you Touch owners. You're gonna need it to remotely > enjoy your music. I always find it interesting when someone I don't know tells me what my experience has been with a product. I guess my question is why are you still here? There are other players on the market. Why not sell yours on eBay or Audiogon, buy something else and move on? -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
iPhone;538523 Wrote: > First off your opening statement is completely false and untrue. The > Duet was not a disaster. I have two of them and they have worked > flawlessly for years. Oh, ok. You're right. How silly of my to state the Duet is a POS from day one to now and in the future... it works for you and ALWAYS has. My bad. Or you own five of them and never had a problem. Fanboys unite eh? iPhone;538523 Wrote: > Is the Duet WiFi Network sensitive, in my opinion it is. Ninety-five > precent of all issues with the Duet can be traced back to an improperly > setup WiFi Network or one that has interference or is performing poorly. > This is in no way Logitech's fault or the Duet's for that matter. It is > directly related to the fact that the complaining owner will not take > the time or do what is necessary to resolve his own WiFi issue which is > at the root of the problem. Just because a laptop works OK on a WiFi > network doesn't mean that network is healthy and properly setup. > Downloading Email and Webpages on a bad WiFi Network will still work > without showing major problems, attempting to stream real time audio is > a completely different story. Funny. Wi-Fi is a fickle beast to tame. This isn't the only thing the Duet has problems with. > Second, as others have already pointed out, the Touch basically has > nothing in common with the Duet. The Touch can more closely be related > to the SB3 IE it is the SB4, the SB3s replacement. Yes it is a smart > device where the SB3 was a dumb device, but the Touch in no way is > trying to do what a Duet does or is it the replacement for the Duet. Same OS. Same programmers. No QA. Same issues. Time is all there is at this point bro. > More importantly, I would be willing to bet that you don't own a Touch > so you have no idea what you are talking about and more over are again > making statements from no point in fact! With my subject of "And Now The Touch?" do you really think I'd throw my money away again? Really? > You sir are nothing but a Troll since you obviously don't even own a > Touch and have no way to make any comparisons much less objective > factual statements. How about growing a brain and checking the Forum > before you type. Are there any other posts comparing the Touch to the > Duet? I will save you some time, there are not. The postings and > feedback on the Touch are overwhelmingly positive! Is it perfect and > will even do the dishes, it will not. Is it for everybody, again it is > not. Is it a great addition to the Squeezebox line of products? It is > and again the postings and feedback point this out! Troll? I'm really not - but I can see how my post comes across as such. I'm a frustrated and unsatisfied and jilted Logitech Squeezebox user... yes. The only successful org to ever tame the open source arena was/is Mozilla.org. Logitech sold vaporware with the Duet. It's that simple. Folks that claim they've never had issues with the duet either: 1) rarely use it 2) have it setup right next to their router 3) live in a dream world Good luck to all you Touch owners. Your gonna need it to remotely enjoy your music. -- notec notec's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
maggior;538661 Wrote: > You could accomplish that by purchasing a SBR (the player part of the > duet) and controlling it with your Touch. With the Touch, you can > select a player to control just like the controller. > > This assumes that one day you'll be able to buy a seperate player one > day... Yes, but I want the improved transport electronics of the Touch as well. I could always buy another Touch to use as a controller, but this is starting to get expensive! -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Daverz;538658 Wrote: > > I do wish the Touch were more like the Duet, with the touch component > in the remote and the transport just a box like the Duet receiver. You could accomplish that by purchasing a SBR (the player part of the duet) and controlling it with your Touch. With the Touch, you can select a player to control just like the controller. This assumes that one day you'll be able to buy a seperate player one day... -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
My first couple weeks with the Duet were problematic. Problems with the server at the time didn't help. If I weren't somewhat stubborn, I probably would have given up. But it's been working smoothly now for 6 months or so. I do wish the Touch were more like the Duet, with the touch component in the remote and the transport just a box like the Duet receiver. -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Muele;538626 Wrote: > The OP is obviously 0/10 and shouldn't be fed. > > Nonetheless, the replies are quite interesting and would provide good > information for a would-be customer. What better way to derail a troll than turning it into a productive discussion. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
snarlydwarf;538619 Wrote: > Not really. > > And you left out the Radio, which also uses much of the same code. > > 'SqueezeOS' is maturing. > > (Of course, it helps that the operating model of the Radio and Touch > are also simpler: there isn't a headless device they need to talk to... > there is no doubt some confusion when setting up SBR's whether you're > talking to the SBC or the SBR... The Touch and Radio don't have that > layer of confusion to them.) I left the radio out only because I don't own one and can't comment on it based on first hand use; I only know what's been said about it here. What you say makes sense. Your comment on "SqueezeOS is maturing" is what I was driving at: Duet maturing = SqueezeOS maturing. Touch uses SqueezeOS, therefor Touch benefits from Duet maturity. Good, I'm not nuts :-). Seeing comments like "the duet has nothing to do with the Touch" were making me wonder if I understood the architecture correctly. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
The OP is obviously 0/10 and shouldn't be fed. Nonetheless, the replies are quite interesting and would provide good information for a would-be customer. -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
maggior;538596 Wrote: > > Fast foward to today and the Duet is a much better and stable product. > In my mind, part of the success of the Touch is due the stability and > maturity that the Duet has attained. Am I out in left field again? Not really. And you left out the Radio, which also uses much of the same code. 'SqueezeOS' is maturing. (Of course, it helps that the operating model of the Radio and Touch are also simpler: there isn't a headless device they need to talk to... there is no doubt some confusion when setting up SBR's whether you're talking to the SBC or the SBR... The Touch and Radio don't have that layer of confusion to them.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
iPhone;538523 Wrote: > Second, as others have already pointed out, the Touch basically has > nothing in common with the Duet. The Touch can more closely be related > to the SB3 IE it is the SB4, the SB3s replacement. Yes it is a smart > device where the SB3 was a dumb device, but the Touch in no way is > trying to do what a Duet does or is it the replacement for the Duet. > Perhaps somebody could clear this up. Both the Duet, specifically the controller, and the Touch are based on SqueezeOS. The controller and Touch share a good bit of functionality - playback, ability to control any other player, change player settings, etc. I would surmise that this means there is a significant amount of common code between the two devices. Am I out in left field with this? Calling the Duet a "disaster" is extreme, but it definitly had some growing pains that had nothing to do with network configuration. The initial setup didn't handle a server that had security enabled well and there was a bug where the controller would lockup and reboot itself when navigating the music library. Fast foward to today and the Duet is a much better and stable product. In my mind, part of the success of the Touch is due the stability and maturity that the Duet has attained. Am I out in left field again? -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
iPhone;538523 Wrote: > Ninety-five precent of all issues with the Duet can be traced back to an > improperly setup WiFi Network or one that has interference or is > performing poorly. This is in no way Logitech's fault or the Duet's for > that matter. I agree. I bought my Duet more than a year ago, that day I got home at about 10 PM and by 2 AM the thing wasn't working. I decided that this was maybe due to the fact that I had a couple of beers while configuring the thing so I gave it a try the next morning. By noon nothing is working and I'm cursing and willing to return the thing because I though the WiFi network couldn't be the cause. After some troubleshooting on the network side I noticed that the problem was that my old Linksys Travel Router crashed when the Duet tried to connect. Linksys provided no help and no firmware updates for this box so I changed to an Apple Airport Express (similar form and factor than the Linksys) and voila! Since this is in my living room me, my family and our guests have enjoyed the system a LOT! Can't wait to get a Touch to replace my Linux+SqueezePlay+DAC arrangement in my listening room. -- Sounder Sounder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36170 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Is he a Sonos employee? ;) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538465 Wrote: > After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a > Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the > power of ten 0/10 Boring Bye. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
iPhone;538523 Wrote: > Is the Duet WiFi Network sensitive, in my opinion it is. Ninety-five > precent of all issues with the Duet can be traced back to an improperly > setup WiFi Network or one that has interference or is performing poorly. > This is in no way Logitech's fault or the Duet's for that matter. It is > directly related to the fact that the complaining owner will not take > the time or do what is necessary to resolve his own WiFi issue which is > at the root of the problem. Just because a laptop works OK on a WiFi > network doesn't mean that network is healthy and properly setup. > Downloading Email and Webpages on a bad WiFi Network will still work > without showing major problems, attempting to stream real time audio is > a completely different story. > > > You sir are nothing but a Troll Exactly, You have to take your time to learn something sometimes, for example how does my network really work is that so hard to do ? Re networking some users also cheap out on very bad "broadband" deals with very low speeds and a lot of throttling etc. So the ISP is crap but they still blame the Squeezebox when they get no internet radio. If you want to use internet get a good ISP. Sadly he is good Troll, he provoked 9 post's from a vague negative and clueless post ? But it has o be met with some kind of response, hence sometimes you have to go with it My duet has also worked for 2 years now initial setup was finicky for me, it have had it's period but always been usable and up for it when it's time for some music. It has some design limitations, but it's made to price piont so it's ok. But now I'm back to be impressed by my Touch :) "And Now the Touch " Read the post carefully these are not you average users fiddling with it. Some like to plays 24/96 hirez with it. Some like to use the limited "Tiny" server with an 5 track collections ? Or connect networks shares and whatnot's ? Demanding users with vocal opinions that are not Easy to please. So it's not many average Joe's pleading for help with basic things that's not fits in with 95% category of flawed local network or internet conection. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538465 Wrote: > After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a > Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? First off your opening statement is completely false and untrue. The Duet was not a disaster. I have two of them and they have worked flawlessly for years. Is the Duet WiFi Network sensitive, in my opinion it is. Ninety-five precent of all issues with the Duet can be traced back to an improperly setup WiFi Network or one that has interference or is performing poorly. This is in no way Logitech's fault or the Duet's for that matter. It is directly related to the fact that the complaining owner will not take the time or do what is necessary to resolve his own WiFi issue which is at the root of the problem. Just because a laptop works OK on a WiFi network doesn't mean that network is healthy and properly setup. Downloading Email and Webpages on a bad WiFi Network will still work without showing major problems, attempting to stream real time audio is a completely different story. Second, as others have already pointed out, the Touch basically has nothing in common with the Duet. The Touch can more closely be related to the SB3 IE it is the SB4, the SB3s replacement. Yes it is a smart device where the SB3 was a dumb device, but the Touch in no way is trying to do what a Duet does or is it the replacement for the Duet. More importantly, I would be willing to bet that you don't own a Touch so you have no idea what you are talking about and more over are again making statements from no point in fact! You sir are nothing but a Troll since you obviously don't even own a Touch and have no way to make any comparisons much less objective factual statements. How about growing a brain and checking the Forum before you type. Are there any other posts comparing the Touch to the Duet? I will save you some time, there are not. The postings and feedback on the Touch are overwhelmingly positive! Is it perfect and will even do the dishes, it will not. Is it for everybody, again it is not. Is it a great addition to the Squeezebox line of products? It is and again the postings and feedback point this out! -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
Touch is good release and a very good product ? it has some issues ofcourse. But works right out of the box for most users. This is a much better than the initial Duet debacle. Kudos to Logitech for getting closer the goal regarding smooth releases ( from customer perspective ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
If you look at the OP's past posts you see a trend of being pretty negative. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538465 Wrote: > After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a > Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the > power of ten First, I have a Duet and it works fine. The initial software/firmware for the controller was a bit flaky but was fixed in subsequent versions. I haven't had any significant issues for quite some time. Second, the Touch's release was intentionally delayed to minimize those types of issues. I've had mine running in my system for 12 days now. Of course, no product ever made by any company is going to work perfectly for everyone. It is simply impossible for a computer products company to anticipate and test for every single possible variable in computers, operating systems & software installation, wireless routers and so on. If you look back through the forum archives, you'll find people who had difficulty with the earliest Squeezebox models. Those who wish to pretend there were no issues with the SB Classic and prior models are simply choosing to remain willfully ignorant. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Strange, I'm using my Duet for somewhat two years now, moved twice, had every server version between 7.2 and 7.5 (except 7.4.x) on 4 machines with 5 different OS configurations, 5 different network setups and 3 different routers (3 different i-net providers and some weeks in between without i-net), and had no problems so far. But maybe I'm just lucky... -- yerma SC 7.5.0 on QNAP TS-219P, one Duet, one Boom yerma's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31470 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538465 Wrote: > After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a > Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the > power of ten I can understand the sentiment toward the Duet, but it's not warrented toward the Touch. I own both and can say that from direct experience. Setting up the Touch was as easy as it was to set up my SB3. Actually, it's easier because the Touch interface gives you a virtual keyboard to use to enter usernames and passwords, which is a lot easier to use than the remote. The Duet has come a long way since it was initially released. It has had taken time to stabilize, but it has. Given that both the Duet (controller specifically) and Touch are based on the SqueezeOS architecture, the Touch has benefited from the maturity of the Duet. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Thumbs up ^10 from me, superb device (and not just for the money) -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SBT > Benchmark DAC1 > Bel Canto S300iu > MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538465 Wrote: > After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a > Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the > power of ten For one, they're not remotely similar in the way they're set up or in the way they operate. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the power of ten -- notec notec's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
