Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Speaking off :confused: I had to turn of my server 10 times tonight due to excessive WOL from something . Main suspect keeping the controller controling my Touch sitting on NP screen with pause. Wonder if get the music to stop instead of pause and controller out in the home menu is better -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Mars Warrior;54 Wrote: > I'm using WHS as the OS and LightsOut to control suspending the server, > so I can't use the nice switching functionality of SrvrPowerCtrl I > guess... I've seen where at least one user uses LightsOut to control SBS in conjunction with SrvrPowerCtrl. If you're interested, go to 'this massive thread (1400+ posts!) on SrvrPowerCtrl' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48521[/url) and search for LightsOut. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
aubuti;53 Wrote: > Glad to hear things are running better now. One thing, note that SomaFM, > Last.fm, etc are "apps" not applets. "Apps" are really services, and > even though the interface talks about "installing" them, they really > aren't installing anything. Applets, on the other hand, are things that > you actually install and run on the player. Applets only work with newer > players (SB Controller, Radio, and Touch), whereas "apps" also work with > older players like the Boom, SB3/Classic, etc. So there are plugins, > apps, and applets. Confused? You're not alone. Basically Logitech > decided to jump on the iThing bandwagon and get "app-happy" with what > are basically internet services for the SB. Yes, I'm very happy! And thanx for the clarification about the app(lets). I already was confused by TinySC, TinySBS, TouchSBS and SBS/Embedded to name a few ;) > Since you have your server running on-demand via WOL, I don't understand > why you presume a SB server would have to be on 24/7. SBS can be run > on-demand as well. In fact the SrvrPowerCtrl plugin has lots of great > options, including switching your players over to mysb.com after a > certain idle period, and then suspending/hibernating/shutting down your > server. Getting that to play nicely with your video serving could take > some work, but running a local music server does _not_ imply it has to > be on 24/7. > I'm using WHS as the OS and LightsOut to control suspending the server, so I can't use the nice switching functionality of SrvrPowerCtrl I guess... And yes, I didn't imply that the server must be on 24/7, the Touch does a nice job sending WOL to wake up the server, as does the Controller, altough the Controller does it a bit to often in some cases > > Granted, you'll want to get your SBC WOL problem sorted out first -- > did you ever check if audio playback was enabled on the SBC, and if it > was, disabling it? > No, audio playback is disabled on the Controller. > Oh, and if you're waiting for SBS plugins to be compatible with TinySBS > you'll be waiting a long time. The current lack of plugin support on > TinySBS was a conscious decision related to hardware limitations. I > doubt you'll ever see many (any?) plugins for TinySBS on the current > Touch hardware.Gr -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Glad to hear things are running better now. One thing, note that SomaFM, Last.fm, etc are "apps" not applets. "Apps" are really services, and even though the interface talks about "installing" them, they really aren't installing anything. Applets, on the other hand, are things that you actually install and run on the player. Applets only work with newer players (SB Controller, Radio, and Touch), whereas "apps" also work with older players like the Boom, SB3/Classic, etc. So there are plugins, apps, and applets. Confused? You're not alone. Basically Logitech decided to jump on the iThing bandwagon and get "app-happy" with what are basically internet services for the SB. Since you have your server running on-demand via WOL, I don't understand why you presume a SB server would have to be on 24/7. SBS can be run on-demand as well. In fact the SrvrPowerCtrl plugin has lots of great options, including switching your players over to mysb.com after a certain idle period, and then suspending/hibernating/shutting down your server. Getting that to play nicely with your video serving could take some work, but running a local music server does _not_ imply it has to be on 24/7. Granted, you'll want to get your SBC WOL problem sorted out first -- did you ever check if audio playback was enabled on the SBC, and if it was, disabling it? Oh, and if you're waiting for SBS plugins to be compatible with TinySBS you'll be waiting a long time. The current lack of plugin support on TinySBS was a conscious decision related to hardware limitations. I doubt you'll ever see many (any?) plugins for TinySBS on the current Touch hardware. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Ok. Small update. Everything seems to work since I switched explicitly to MySB. I do understand that there might be some issues using MySB, but in my situation, using a Touch only, it seems to work very good in combination with the applets running on the Touch (Soma FM, Last.fm, etc.). Running a server 24/7 is no option for me. I find it just as 'weird' as having your motor engine runing 24/7, or having the lights on 24/7 or the heating on 24/7 for just a few hours of traveling, darkness and cold. As the server is also used for real-time transcoding movies(PS3, iPad), it's a rather fast server with a relative high idle power consumption... So the server is running on-demand using WOL over LAN & WAN and that saves me about 100/year on my electricity bill. Since I'm using the Touch, I am considering using TinySC and a small mobile harddisk in the future once TinySC / SC matured a bit and all plug-ins have been made compatible with the new version. The mentioned Sheeva/Guruplug combined with again a mobile harddisk is also a viable solution, but I let them fix the powersupply overheating issues first ;) -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
garym;566440 Wrote: > agree. I would not want my players to automatically switch to mysb.com > if playing internet radio. In my opinion, the best approach is to have > a computer on 24/7 (even a tiny computer like a sheevaplug) and ALWAYS > use SbS. You can do anything you can do from mysb.com if you simply > stay on SbS at all times. Yes sbs is better at webradio than mysb.com You gets things like transcoding ! playing an AAC stream on your SB3 or BOOM anyone ? And if you sync all players sbs pulls *one* stream and proxy it around to all players . Conecting to mysb.com will bug your alarm settings... And ofcourse have the better web-UI of sbs, plugins etc. And as sbs is doing the heavy lifting only using mysb.com in the backround for some necesseties it actually works ! mysb.com can be slow and have latencies . Note that older kind's of players like SB3 and BOOM is completely driven by their server (local or mysb.com), they are slim devices even the menu's and scrolling etc is done by the server + all now playing screens, ir commands just pass trough the device and then the server acts upon them. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
aubuti;566381 Wrote: > One reason for not doing that automatically is that some users like to > retain the use of plugins (note plugins, not applets), which are only > available with a local SBS, not with mysb.com. There are probably other > reasons, but that's the first one that comes to mind at present. agree. I would not want my players to automatically switch to mysb.com if playing internet radio. In my opinion, the best approach is to have a computer on 24/7 (even a tiny computer like a sheevaplug) and ALWAYS use SbS. You can do anything you can do from mysb.com if you simply stay on SbS at all times. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
On Touch add "switch to MySB" to the home menu, then you can quickly and easily switch to MySB before starting a radio session. To get back to your local music just go to My Music and your local server will be offered (assuming it is running). I cannot say if the Controller has a "switch to MySB" option. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Mars Warrior;566374 Wrote: > Leaves me to one question: why doesn't the Touch (and/or Controller) > switch to MySB while playing internetradio so that the server can go > hibernate? One reason for not doing that automatically is that some users like to retain the use of plugins (note plugins, not applets), which are only available with a local SBS, not with mysb.com. There are probably other reasons, but that's the first one that comes to mind at present. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Mars Warrior;566374 Wrote: > Right ;) > Why the Controller keeps waking-up my server in some situations is > still not clear to me, but I guess once I can reproduce the problem, > the solution is around the corner... > One possibility is time. Squeezeplay devices (the SBC is one) try and sync their internal clock to the server clock every hour. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Right ;) Since I learned some new features, I had to test them: - I manually connected the Controller to MySB, and WOW, I can add favourites which do show up on MySB (checked using web browser on PC) - While the Controller is connected to MySB, I can control the Touch (stations, volume etc.) - While the server is turned off, I can now select (the previously stored) favourites. But I'm also understanding (bit-by-bit) more why I was confused why I would need the server for just the above things: If I connect to my music library on the server, I can do exactly the same things, but everything is running 'through' the server of which I wasn't aware off: I thought it would directly connect to the internet. On top of that, the Controller remembers that it was connected to the music library on the server, and tries to reconnect, even for playing internet radio or accessing favourites on MySB. The iPhone isn't in at the moment, but I assume that one works the same once connected to MySB instead of my music library on the server. Why the Controller keeps waking-up my server in some situations is still not clear to me, but I guess once I can reproduce the problem, the solution is around the corner... Leaves me to one question: why doesn't the Touch (and/or Controller) switch to MySB while playing internetradio so that the server can go hibernate? -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Mars Warrior;566315 Wrote: > > What I see on the Controller, is that the Controller still thinks that > the Touch is playing some radio station, although I just turned off the > Touch... > I hope Wireshark will show me what the Controller is doing in that > case... Was Touch playing from the local server, then the controller gets it's info from that server too (not directly from the Touch), so when it sleeps or get turned of naturally controller wont get any status update regarding what the Touch is doing . In generall any device ir-remote controller webpage iPhone ,what not . controlls any player (all of them since slimp3 including softplayers on your computers) via the server . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
One other thing to try. If you have enabled audio playback on the SBC itself, try disabling it. Even if it is enabled it should not wake up the server, but maybe it is. It is normal for it to look for a server after you power yours down, but shouldn't be so agressive as to send WOL packets. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
aubuti;566310 Wrote: > Sorry, I thought you were trying to stop your server from waking up. If > you really want to tackle it at the source, you can take a look at the > traffic with Wireshark (or similar tool) to see what the cause is for > the SBC to be sending magic packets. > Yes, I'm trying to stop my server from waking up, and I know for sure it's the Controller because if I shutdown the Controller, the server keeps sleeping/hibernating. Once I switch the Touch on again, the server is woken again (WOL works perfectly with the Touch!). I will however follow your advice and check the magic packets send to the server... > > To be honest, I haven't been following the ups and downs of WOL on the > SBC since 7.3.3. There was a time when you couldn't get the SBC to send > a WOL packet, and now you're having the opposite problem. Fyi, one > typical reason to wake the server (but not constantly) when there is no > player active is in advance of triggering an alarm. AFAIK I have no alarms set, but will check that once again. What I see on the Controller, is that the Controller still thinks that the Touch is playing some radio station, although I just turned off the Touch... I hope Wireshark will show me what the Controller is doing in that case... -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Mars Warrior;566306 Wrote: > That might be the case, but I can shutdown the Touch also from other > places (iPeng, PC and the Touch itself), so I find it to be an annoying > bug in the Controller which I want to get rid off... > > Wouldn't it be weird if you push the off button on your TV, Stereo or > VCR and that some remote turns it on again, because you didn't turn > your TV/Stereo/VCR off using that specific remote? > > Remember that I turned the Touch off, so even if the Controller got > confused by that simple action, it should see that there are NO players > active, or at least not the player it was previously connected to. > > So what would be the reasoning behind waking-up the server constantly > while no player is active? Sorry, I thought you were trying to stop your server from waking up. If you really want to tackle it at the source, you can take a look at the traffic with Wireshark (or similar tool) to see what the cause is for the SBC to be sending magic packets. To be honest, I haven't been following the ups and downs of WOL on the SBC since 7.3.3. There was a time when you couldn't get the SBC to send a WOL packet, and now you're having the opposite problem. Fyi, one typical reason to wake the server (but not constantly) when there is no player active is in advance of triggering an alarm. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
aubuti;566295 Wrote: > If you connect the SBC to mysb.com before shutting down the server I > would expect that problem to go away as well. That might be the case, but I can shutdown the Touch also from other places (iPeng, PC and the Touch itself), so I find it to be an annoying bug in the Controller which I want to get rid off... Wouldn't it be weird if you push the off button on your TV, Stereo or VCR and that some remote turns it on again, because you didn't turn your TV/Stereo/VCR off using that specific remote? Remember that I turned the Touch off, so even if the Controller got confused by that simple action, it should see that there are NO players active, or at least not the player it was previously connected to. So what would be the reasoning behind waking-up the server constantly while no player is active? -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Mars Warrior;566242 Wrote: > Leaves me with the Controller waking-up the server problem while the > Touch is shutdown, ie no player active... If you connect the SBC to mysb.com before shutting down the server I would expect that problem to go away as well. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
Weird. I'm almost certain that I did try that, connecting the controllers/iPeng to MySB! I have to try that again. Storing favorites on MySB is an unknown feature to me, but would indeed solve the problems for me. Must try that also. Leaves me with the Controller waking-up the server problem while the Touch is shutdown, ie no player active... Thanx for all the answers! -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
toby10;566196 Wrote: > 1. you need to get the Controller connected to MySB in order to control > players connected to MySB Also true with ipeng. that is, swipe back to the left screen in ipeng and select mysqueezebox.com instead of your server. You'll then see your player. Of course all this is much, much simpler if you just leave your server running 24/7. Then there is no reason to switch back and forth to mysb.com. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
1. you need to get the Controller connected to MySB in order to control players connected to MySB 2. again, connect Controller to MySB 3. Favorites stored on the server cannot be used if the server is turned off. Favorites stored on MySB are usable from both the server and MySB. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?
I own a Squeezebox Touch and a Squeezebox Controller. Next to that we use iPeng to control the Touch too. A separate server is used to store the music libraries. This server is normally off, and only turned on using WOL and will automatically suspend/hibernate again if not being used anymore. I have several problems/questions with these combinations and I hope someone can answer them: 1. Both the controller and iPeng seem to need the server to be turned on in order to control the Touch, even if that one is connected to mysqueezebox.com and playing internet radio. 2. On the Touch Soma FM is installed, but can't be controlled by both the Controller and iPeng with the server turned off. 3. Favorites don't work on the Touch without the server turned on. 4. If the Touch is playing internet radio (also visible on the Controller), and then turned off, for some reason the Controller keeps waking-up the server for no reason (the server auto-suspends after 10 minutes of idling). This is very annoying. The suspend/wake-up cyclus of the server stops when I shutdown the Controller, so it is definately the controller that monitors my server and does the WOL thingy BTW, I'm not using the internal Squeezebox Server of the Touch but wonder if some of the above problems (unwanted dependency on the server) could be solved that way, or that some things are just bugs! -- Mars Warrior Mars Warrior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
