[Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
The fallback mode, which is what the default Trisquel DE is based upon, is to disappear in the next GNOME releases: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-November/msg9.html http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20121112 So what do you think Trisquel should plan on using as default desktop in future releases? XFCE? Unity? KDE? GNOME-shell? MATE? Cinnamon? Other?... I didn't mention LXDE since we already have Trisquel-Mini and there's no problem with that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
OOPS, I thought it was posted to the wrong list, based on the subject line; my apologies! Since LXDE's accessibility is coming along nicely, maybe Trisquel 7 can move to that, instead of Fallback? When the LXDE applet panel becomes accessible, I should try doing a Trisquel Mini setup, and add what is necessary for accessibility support. Would a switch to LXDE also address the freedom concerns that keep GNOME Shell from being the default? Cheers, Dave H. On 11/12/2012 09:15 AM, b...@benwen.info wrote: The fallback mode, which is what the default Trisquel DE is based upon, is to disappear in the next GNOME releases: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-November/msg9.html http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20121112 So what do you think Trisquel should plan on using as default desktop in future releases? XFCE? Unity? KDE? GNOME-shell? MATE? Cinnamon? Other?... I didn't mention LXDE since we already have Trisquel-Mini and there's no problem with that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Why those two solutions only? What about LXDE, Cinnamon, KDE, Xfce, etc.?
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
The campaign is over, and they reach the 71% of their goal. They seem to be very pleased with the results. I was very glad to participate. Thank Chris for sharing this info.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Because of the logic behind Ubuntu itself. If Trisquel is based on Ubuntu and fallows the same development then it should use the same DE no ? After that we already have Xfce for the mini, but yes this could be a good choice to unify te versions. LXDE is not apropriate (even if I love it) because of the lack of features and the hard work to make them work nicely (without talking about all the changes ruben has already did to gnome itself in Trisquel). Cinnamon is not very stable and it is horrible in big screens with huge resolutions (I know it by experience) but it can be solved indeed. As for KDE, it think that it could be a wise choice, but there is a problem, and the problem is, if Ruben doesn't choose the good default configurations, then you will have a slow Trisquel that could be rejected by the FSF for their personal use (and many of the users here as well), because KDE is so beautiful and so maniable that any mistake and any wrong configuration could lead to a broke and slow DE (I also know it by experience). My words are not those of Ruben, RMS etc.. it is only my ideas (since it is a brainstorm) on how to solve this problem while in the same time not doing the mistake to give more work to ruben that's all ^_^
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Le 2012-11-12 12:21, aliasb...@gmail.com a écrit : Because of the logic behind Ubuntu itself. If Trisquel is based on Ubuntu and fallows the same development then it should use the same DE no ? But Ubuntu's DE is Unity, not Gnome-shell nor MATE, so I'm not sure I get your point here. After that we already have Xfce for the mini, but yes this could be a good choice to unify te versions. LXDE is not apropriate (even if I love it) because of the lack of features and the hard work to make them work nicely (without talking about all the changes ruben has already did to gnome itself in Trisquel). Trisquel-Mini uses LXDE, not Xfce.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Ubuntu is Unity and Ubuntu Class, but each of the 2 are based on Gnome Fallback (as well as Trisquel's official DE). So they will have to change as well. As for Trisquel Mini, you are totally right :S.. My apologies I thought it was XFCE (where did this idea came from ?).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
The command sudo tomb open gives me this: [*] Commanded to open tomb [!] You have swap activated; use --ignore-swap if you want to skip this check . Using encryption with swap activated is very bad, because some files, or even your secret key, could be written on hard disk. . However, it could be that your swap is encrypted. If this is case, this is ok. Then, use --ignore-swap to skip this check . You seem to be using 2 swaps: /dev/zram0 partition 1030428 0 100 /dev/dm-0 partition 2006012 0 -1 Not sure if my swap is encrypted... So I type --ignore-swap but this doesn't do anything: bash: --ignore-swap: command not found I give up on trying to run Tomb... Do I just removed it with sudo apt-get remove tomb. I might try ot again one day when I am an expert or when they make it easier to install and run. Thanks
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
Thanks teodorescup. I installed cryptkeeper. Where do I find it though? I looked under Accessories, Games, Internet, Office, etc. It is not near the clock in the bottom right of the screen either. In Windows and in Ubuntu I know where to find newly installed programs, but it doesn't seem to work that way in Trisquel... Is the only way to start cryptkeeper somehow through the terminal? Thanks!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
No worries; confusing LXDE and XFCE is easy; I think they even look similar? Maybe future Trisquel releases should follow Lubuntu instead of the main branch? If we want to do a GNOME-Shell version, isn't there some way to do what requires hardware accelleration in free software? Shell, as-is, happens to work on this machine; am lucky, I guess; LOL. Even though Shell works, I prefer something leaner, and would likely go to LXDE if I had to make a switch. Cheers, Dave Hunt On 11/12/2012 02:36 PM, aliasb...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu is Unity and Ubuntu Class, but each of the 2 are based on Gnome Fallback (as well as Trisquel's official DE). So they will have to change as well. As for Trisquel Mini, you are totally right :S.. My apologies I thought it was XFCE (where did this idea came from ?).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
It looks like your swap is encrypted. /dev/zram0 usually is the name for a virtual swap partition that isn't even written to disk so that's okay. /dev/dm-0 sounds much like the device mapper file of an encrypted partition. If I'm not terribly wrong, this is Trisquel's default setup. Check out /etc/crypttab to be sure. It should have a line dm-0 /dev/sda3 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,loud or so.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
I never used tomb but --ignore-swap should be an option for it. So instead of doing $ --ignore-swap rather try $ sudo tomb open --ignore-swap GNU/Linux commands almost never begin with a dash, it is reserved for options.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
I understand from this site: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/27/add-cryptkeeper-for-on-the-fly-encrypted-folders-in-linux/ that an icon (an image of a key) is supposed to appear in the tray. It doesn't. I installed Crpyptkeeper through Trisquel's own Add/Remove Programs option, so it must be installed correctly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Apparently Ubuntu 13.04 will use GNOME 3.6. Fallback mode will disappear in GNOME 3.8, so this will probably affect Trisquel 7.0. I don't know what Ruben's vision for Trisquel is, so I suppose it depends on that. Because of LLVMpipe, Ruben might consider GNOME Shell as a replacement for Fallback mode. But if he wants to stick with the Trisquel theme then Trisquel might have to go elsewhere. I've never used LXDE before, but I've seen screenshots of Trisquel Mini and they look good! I've used GNOME 2 and Xfce, so either of those (MATE for GNOME 2, of course) would be okay for me as well.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
But then we have another problem... Nautilus. Nautilus is reversing the meaning of software improvement by removing a lot of important features (like the split folders with F3 and others). Ubuntu as already planned to use Nautilus from 3.4 instead of Nautilus 3.6 but will it stay that way longer ? I mean, should really Ruben only use the Ubuntu repositories ? Even if I know that it is a lot of work to create something different. LLVMpipe is just horrible to use with Unity, but is somewhat okay to use it (on a Dual Core Intel E5200) with Gnome-Shell although it is not the future and it isn't an alternative for a lot of people. In another point, the Ubuntu team already saw and admitted that is a need of a non 3D environment since a lot of users still don't have the required equipment, so maybe we should see what decisions whey will make (even if, in the last times they have been going through some weird directions with Ubuntu :s..)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
I just think that LXDE is not appropriated for new users and enterprises... I mean, yes it is good, stable etc.. etc..., but we already ave problems making people switch from a non-free Gnu/Linux distribution to Trisquel (and I'm not even talking about Windows or Mac to Trisquel), so proposing a LXDE desktop wouldn't be a shot in the foot in that direction ? I mean, even the Trisquel's mini depends already on a lot of Gnome packages. So maybe the solution is not there (in my opinion). It would be very interesting tho, to see what Ruben can make with a lot of creativity, time, and Xfce :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Just as a late update to this thread, I just got offered an Abrowser 16 update through apt-get today.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
I would discard xfce, because is similar to lxde (trisquel mini). Being trisquel oriented to a regular user I think gnome-shell and unity are the best options. Both have the problem of 3d acceleration and I don't know how they support screen readers, which is a must in trisquel. I'm afraid we will have to wait to see if gnome-shell can be run with more free friendly graphic cards than nowadays. I would like gnome-shell to be the default user interface in trisquel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
But then we have another problem... Nautilus. Nautilus is reversing the meaning of software improvement by removing a lot of important features (like the split folders with F3 and others). Ubuntu as already planned to use Nautilus from 3.4 instead of Nautilus 3.6 but will it stay that way longer ? With regards to Nautilus, I've never used those features, but I'm sure other people (like yourself) use them. I'm not sure if these instructions work for changing your File Manager in GNOME 3 fallback mode: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager But I think Ubuntu objected to those changes, so I would be interested in seeing if they follow GNOME with Nautilus or not. I mean, should really Ruben only use the Ubuntu repositories ? Even if I know that it is a lot of work to create something different. Well he already does with Lubuntu and Trisquel Mini. Maybe he might just make Trisquel Mini the default/only Trisquel, or use another *buntu for Trisquel. LLVMpipe is just horrible to use with Unity, but is somewhat okay to use it (on a Dual Core Intel E5200) with Gnome-Shell although it is not the future and it isn't an alternative for a lot of people. I think if it ends up being that LLVMpipe is not good enough then hopefully Ruben would look at doing something different. In another point, the Ubuntu team already saw and admitted that is a need of a non 3D environment since a lot of users still don't have the required equipment, so maybe we should see what decisions whey will make (even if, in the last times they have been going through some weird directions with Ubuntu :s..) +1, maybe best thing for now is to wait and see what happens...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Portuguese translation of the website
Hello all. In the translation to Portuguese, in fact there is still no group formed. A few months ago I tried to contact the people responsible for the site. I could not actually do not know who is responsible. I already have a small material translated into Portuguese. But I think what is missing is the formation of this group of translators for Portuguese, I believe you are already registered on the mailing list. If they need, they can count on me for translation. A big hug to everyone. Reginaldo.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
I'm afraid we will have to wait to see if gnome-shell can be run with more free friendly graphic cards than nowadays. +1. I would discard xfce, because is similar to lxde (trisquel mini). Maybe not, because Xfce and Xfwm supports GTK+v2 themes which would make porting the Trisquel theme easier. Then again, having LXDE for both Trisquel and Trisquel Mini might make things easier for Ruben to maintain. Anyway, this change is probably a long way off so we can only provide input and then wait and see what happens...
[Trisquel-users] Re : Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Trisquel being based upon Ubuntu does not mean a new Trisquel version starts with the related Ubuntu ISO. It only means it starts with the related Ubuntu repository. Ubuntu's default choices does not matter much (they only slightly matter because those packages are likely to be more thoroughly tested). As far as I can see on http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ the next Trisquel 6.0 Toutatis will have a KDE edition (triskel) and an LXDE edition (trisquel-mini) in addition to the GNOME version (trisquel). I do not see the problem of running GNOME software on top of an LXDE or Xfce desktop. All those desktops use the GTK toolkit: there is no real integration issue. Thanks to Fedora's work on running GNOME Shell with a software 3D acceleration, there may not be any problem with this choice either.
[Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
I don´t know how much work is needed in order to use Xfce, but I certainly hope is a viable option and Trisquel end up moving in that direction. There are several reasons, stability, ease of use, configurable options and yes, for selfish reasons :), because It happen to be my favorite DE and also presently works nicely with Brigantia. Regards
Re: [Trisquel-users] Portuguese translation of the website
Okay, so I talked to quidam at the IRC channel and he said he was gonna set up the drupal so we can start translating. I heard from a lot of people that the translating thing is kinda tricky, because it is not just translate, we gotta do our best to keep the translated content constantly updated. And we should never stop, we should keep translating. So I agree with you Reginaldo, we should definitely form a portuguese translators team. Since there are some users interested in helping, we should organize a team. Let's form a list of people who's willing to contribute, we should divide the work as well, so everyone can take a piece of the site to translate and after that we should revise each others translation so we can guarantee and keep the quality of our work. So far I think we can count on the following users: * bebeto * aliasbody * Horgeon * icarolongo * Reginaldo If you are in the list and do not want to be part of it please let us know. And if you are not part of the list and want to help let us know as well so we can include you. After we gather a number of users we can take the discussion to people that can give us translators status and according to this http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/website-translations each team may add Wiki pages for their own purposes so we can organize the work and finally make it happen. What do you guys think?
[Trisquel-users] Prospects of a GNU/Linux Tablet
It seems like the idea of having a GNU/Linux tablet is really gaining momentum. I have been hoping for a really good one to come along that can run GNU/Linux and run using only free software. A very prominent chipset being used is the Allwinner A10 SoC. Does anyone know what the freedom status is on this chipset? I don't think that anyone is going to rival the iBad or Android tablets any time soon but just having an option to run a free software only tablet would be nice.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Prospects of a GNU/Linux Tablet
It seems like the idea of having a GNU/Linux tablet is really gaining momentum. I have been hoping for a really good one to come along that can run GNU/Linux and run using only free software. Well there is Replicant which is based on CyanogenMod and aims to only ship with free software. But so far it's only limited to a few phones, and no tablets. CyanogenMod has less non-free software than Android, apparently. I don't think that anyone is going to rival the iBad or Android tablets any time soon but just having an option to run a free software only tablet would be nice. Yes, I think the best idea is to spread word about mobile/tablet projects that aim to replace non-free software. I don't own/use a tablet at the moment, so I can't make comments with regards to hardware.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Prospects of a GNU/Linux Tablet
I'm currently running Replicant on my Nexus S. There are a lot of things about it I don't like. For one, there are no real good hardware candidates to use that have good privacy. The other is that getting everything to work on the phone using only free software is not currently possible. Also, I personally don't think Android is that amazing. Maybe it's okay for a smaller device like a phone(tracking device) but for a tablet I'd prefer GNU/Linux running some type of touch-friendly interface. There is a project out there called PengPod ( http://pengpod.com/products/pengpod1000 ). It looks like it's using the Allwinner A10 SoC. Like I said before, I'm curious as to whether GNU/Linux will run that with all free drivers and firmware.
[Trisquel-users] Shumway - a JavaScript SWF Runtime
Other Trisquel users might be interested in this: Mozilla is producing a Flash/SWF runtime called Shumway. It is written in JavaScript. I would guess that it might eventually be made available as an add-on to Firefox, like pdf.js. I wouldn't have thought it would be viable to do that, because of performance reasons, but obviously I'm wrong! Maybe I'm being over-optimistic, but maybe this will become a more complete Flash replacement than Gnash and Lightspark. I've noticed that Mozilla projects tend to have a lot of success.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Shumway - a JavaScript SWF Runtime
This could prove to be interesting. I'm always sceptical though. Personally I'd like to see flash go away in all its forms. That way there isn't some dev team trying to always play catch up with the official flash releases. A widely used open standard would be great.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Prospects of a GNU/Linux Tablet
I don't have any information to add, but I'd just like to say that I'd love a device capable of running the Calibre ebook reader. No DRM, no hassle, I just want to be able to copy my Calibre Library into the home directly, and I'd love to pay for such a device. Perhaps I could get what I want without a system that runs full-blown GNU/Linux. Calibre has device synchronization capabilities, so a DRM-free and Linux compatible ereader could work as well, but I know of none.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Shumway - a JavaScript SWF Runtime
matt.i...@gmail.com writes: This could prove to be interesting. I'm always sceptical though. Personally I'd like to see flash go away in all its forms. That way there isn't some dev team trying to always play catch up with the official flash releases. A widely used open standard would be great. There was [1][2][3] already similar, if not the same effort around 2010. It is called Gordon and it is a JavaScript implementation of SWF decoder/runtime. Gordon is free software (MIT license). Since it's release there are no changes in the repository [3] for unknown reason. [1] http://www.sitepoint.com/gordon-javascript-flash-player/ [2] http://ajaxian.com/archives/gordon-flash-runtime-implemented-in-javascript [3] https://github.com/tobeytailor/gordon pgppBjnZjGzMk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Shumway - a JavaScript SWF Runtime
Ivaylo Valkov iva...@e-valkov.org writes: matt.i...@gmail.com writes: There was [1][2][3] already similar, if not the same effort around 2010. It is called Gordon It seems the original author (Tobias Schneider) of Gordon is contributing to the Shumway project, or the Shumway project itself is based on Gordon. [1] https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/blob/master/LICENSE [2] https://github.com/tobeytailor/gordon/blob/master/MIT-LICENSE pgpZvlWFZNNqq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Prospects of a GNU/Linux Tablet
Also, I personally don't think Android is that amazing. Maybe it's okay for a smaller device like a phone. I'm also not very fond of Android... And a lot of phones now have enough power to run something better. I recently got a Galaxy Note II, which I think is actually more powerful than my T61 Thinkpad... Android seems to have a lot of silly bugs, and as it's something used is most portable devices now (I believe it's now the most popular platform for portable devices) it really is quite poor. I've had my phone restart itself, I have no idea why. It has also once kept turning the screen on every minute until I restarted the phone... Free distributions like Trisquel that don't have the huge financial backing that something like Android has, perform much better. People have already gotten major distributions running on their Android phones though. There probably are many benefits to the free software community though with so many companies now using Android. There are probably a lot of new bits of code coming back into the Free software ecosystem But there are obvious problems.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 22:53 +0100, andrew.rof...@student.qut.edu.au wrote: Just as a late update to this thread, I just got offered an Abrowser 16 update through apt-get today. After updating I'm unable to open my Abrowser. I think it has something to do with one of my addons because my daughter's log in on the same laptop opens with no problem. Anyone know how to open Abrowser without any addons? -- Sent from Trisquel Gnu/Linux https://trisquel.info Red Baptist Blog: http://redbaptist.parlementum.net Microblog: https://parlementum.net/redbaptist XMPP: redbaptist [at] riseup [dot] net
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
I forgot to mention the --ignore-swap parameter, sorry. From tomb's man page: By default, Tomb will abort any create and open operation if swap is used (see SWAP section for details). This flag will disable this behaviour. NOTE: it is not secure to do so, unless you know that your swap is encrypted. So you should read the man page first (when you have installed tomb): $ man tomb Then you know what to do. After reading it myself again, I realized I have made quite a few mistakes in my previous posts. The command to start the interactive tomb creation mode is: $ sudo tomb-open (Yes, it is tomb-open) After creating a tomb, a key and password for it, you can open the tomb like this: $ sudo tomb open --ignore-swap -k /path/to/your/key /path/to/your/tomb-file (Yes, now it is tomb open) --ignore-swap parameter is mandatory if you have a swap partition. -k parameter specifies the location of the key. Again, sorry for giving you false instructions. I hope this helps. Remember that creating a tomb can take some time even if you are creating a small one. Please, give tomb a second try and don't let my mistakes hinder you. Happy Hacking.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Program(s) for encrypting a folder in Trisquel
You can check if you can find the icon from here: System Setting - Main Menu. There you can specify which icons are displayed in the menu.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
I'm pretty impressed with the results. $43,000 USD may not be ideal although it is basically enough to cover a full time developer for a year. It's not exactly going to pay a seasoned developer although it should be enough to cover someone at the entry level. Think internship + first year out of school.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Prospects of a GNU/Linux Tablet
There is the Vivaldi tablet project. Project page: http://makeplaylive.com/ Forums: http://opentablets.org/ Main developer's Blog: http://aseigo.blogspot.fi/ They are making a GNU/Linux tablet that should be fully free software compatible. The project has had some setbacks recently though.
