Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course)
[TruthTalk] Which God?
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. 'inspections' rankamong prerequisites for Satan to 'appear' (lookin' like jt's God to you) cd: Using wisdom in the inspection knowing some need to be taught-one would be a fool not to watch.By the way-this is in the Bible-you know the big book with 66 smaller books inside.Yes, it is the same God as Judy, David,and Perry has but not the samegod as you guys have-I cannot find yours in the Bible Gary.He acts and thinks differently them what the Bible saysours does.Disharmony throughout the Bible is strong with your god. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic to fruit inspectors] cd: HuH?Say what?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the grammarof the verse, below,is structured carefullyby a non-judgmental authorthrough the power of the HS--it follows the pattern of true prophecy cd: Are you suggesting that I throw people into hell G. I am only a man warning others of the helll to come promoting Jesus Christ unto salvation from sins-God does the judging of the soul.This is sounding familar. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. what do you think this verse means? || Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned [by Somebody not me]
[TruthTalk] Sinful treatment, by believers, of Women, Slaves First Nations Peoples ?
To David Miller: Shall we break this down into its component parts? Shall we make an attempt at brevity? 1.Please define 'believer' 2. Can a 'believer' sin over an extended period of time a. wilfully b. ignorantly? 3. Please outline the role of 'believing' women a. within the 'believing' community b. within the family c. within society d. within government 4. Please outline your position on 'believers' slavery as practiced in your country 5. Please evaluate the treatment by 'believers' of first nations peoples as practiced in your own country both past and present. 6. Limiting your consideration only to the history of your nation, have 'believers' been a force for good/ill vis a vis women, slaves first nations peoples? thanks, Lance 5.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. intrinsically, below,you've postured yourself to(be) Judge cd: Then by your own standards you are judging Miller for being a judge-What are you missing Gary? 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
How and, in what way is this 'sounding familiar'? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 06:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the grammarof the verse, below,is structured carefullyby a non-judgmental authorthrough the power of the HS--it follows the pattern of true prophecy cd: Are you suggesting that I throw people into hell G. I am only a man warning others of the helll to come promoting Jesus Christ unto salvation from sins-God does the judging of the soul.This is sounding familar. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. what do you think this verse means? || Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned [by Somebody not me]
Re: [TruthTalk] Which God?
Dean:As to the 'God/god' of the Bible:Why is it, Dean, David, Judy, Perry, that all 'believers' don't, while inhabited by the same Holy Spirit, come to the same conclusions re:The 'God/god' of the Bible? through that selfsame Bible?Do some sin against that Spirit? IFF 'believers' then, how does this take place? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 06:40 Subject: [TruthTalk] Which God? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. 'inspections' rankamong prerequisites for Satan to 'appear' (lookin' like jt's God to you) cd: Using wisdom in the inspection knowing some need to be taught-one would be a fool not to watch.By the way-this is in the Bible-you know the big book with 66 smaller books inside.Yes, it is the same God as Judy, David,and Perry has but not the samegod as you guys have-I cannot find yours in the Bible Gary.He acts and thinks differently them what the Bible saysours does.Disharmony throughout the Bible is strong with your god. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic to fruit inspectors] cd: HuH?Say what?
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 7:19:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His thoughts is borne. cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Which God?
Are you looking for a fortune teller Lance? My guess would be that some are inhabited by religious spirits rather than the Holy One and that doctrines of men have blinded their eyes while giving them a false peace which tells them that walking in God's ways and striving to enter the narrow gate that leads to life is legalistic. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:01:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dean:As to the 'God/god' of the Bible:Why is it, Dean, David, Judy, Perry, that all 'believers' don't, while inhabited by the same Holy Spirit, come to the same conclusions re:The 'God/god' of the Bible? through that selfsame Bible?Do some sin against that Spirit? IFF 'believers' then, how does this take place? From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. 'inspections' rankamong prerequisites for Satan to 'appear' (lookin' like jt's God to you) cd: Using wisdom in the inspection knowing some need to be taught-one would be a fool not to watch.By the way-this is in the Bible-you know the big book with 66 smaller books inside.Yes, it is the same God as Judy, David,and Perry has but not the samegod as you guys have-I cannot find yours in the Bible Gary.He acts and thinks differently them what the Bible saysours does.Disharmony throughout the Bible is strong with your god. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic to fruit inspectors] cd: HuH?Say what?
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Dean: 'birth of a cult'? 'group thinking-no standards to point out error'? 'see why your group don't like preaching such as David (Miller) does'? These are rather serious accusations, Dean. These are certainly not borne out when reading the 'group' via TT. I had a rather lengthy conversation just last evening with a friend who reads TT regularly. I have for the longest time 'heard' only one voice on TT, said I to my friend, that has a 'cultic' ring to it. That voice belongs to no one in 'the group'. Over the decades I've encountered a handful of persons who claimed 'special access' to God; 'special giftedness' in understanding God; along with 'special insight' into others within the 'believing' community. I'd totally concur Dean, that such should be viewed with caution. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 7:19:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His thoughts is borne. cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
.Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His thoughts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
BSF/Groupthink? Hmm - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His thoughts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of sin covering grace will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow in His steps to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillment and Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards. You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally judged by fire Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God has limits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need of a new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator, you also Judge ppl in your finitude within v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. ---BeginMessage--- As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!!
Re: [TruthTalk] ALL conversations beginning with any variation on 'GOD TOLD ME TO/THAT..'
JD wrote: Yet, it is perfectly clear that some [bizarre] doctrinal comments are not the result of the direction of the Spirit and need no refutation. Have you ever considered that you don't know everything and that you have in some cases dismissed teachings of the Spirit coming through someone like Judy simply because they appear foolish to your mind? David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Is TruthTalk a game of competition?
NOW GARY ILLUSTRATES THE PROBLEM! Some people on TruthTalk are playing a game and they are in competition against others, while others are trying to work together on the same team. Some are trying to trip up others, cause them to strike out with the best pitch they can make, while others are attempting to pitch something that will result in a nice home run hit. Maybe we should discuss the rules of this TruthTalk game, or the idea of whether or not TruthTalk should even be considered a game. Personally, I don't see TruthTalk as a game, and I am not interested in some here trying to strike out others. I'm interested in discussion that leads to mutual edification. I like John's post about community and how God's mind is known through community. What do the rest of you think? David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. keep in mind--you asked me to expand certain thoughts in this thread for you--what you read, below, are certain thoughts, or thinking dynamically expanded, as you requested; however, think of me as a pitcher, Bro--you're at the plate (imagine this) with a beautiful Minnesota white ash Mickey Mantle bat your hands, like Pastor Smithson's, and while I'm rockin' to fire again you put your hand up to the ump, back out of the box, look me in the eye while I'm fallin' off the front end of the mound, and say 'pitch nicely please Gary and then I'll take a(nother) swing at you' what pitch are you lookin' for now, Bro? l,g :) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:04:53 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: Gary be a little nicer and I will answer you questions-until then:-( - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 12:29:43 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. ...e.g., if in your Judgement a few brethren get lost somehow, you wouldn't be assuming that they're required to be here for that, would you? On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:02:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. his brethren ain't required to be present at your Judgement as you arbitrarily split them into categories which suit your privately generated bias/es On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*in JCs judgement, his brethren both already do have ] will have happiness beyond understanding -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 3:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. Who is required to attend your Judgment? [*] cd: ..expand on this Gary so that I can clearly understand you On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - || cd: To define the differences between the lost and the brethren is not splitting hairs G On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:44 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..believers didn't misteat women the so-called christians did. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Gary, are you implying that the Holy Spirit only speaks in this pattern? What is your judgment about Stephen in Acts 7? The Scriptures say that he was full of the Holy Ghost when he said the following: Acts 7:51-54 (51) Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. (52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: (53) Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. (54) When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Do you agree that these words are structured by the Holy Spirit? I'm sure you know that there are many other passages from the prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures that seem to stray from what you perceive to be the true pattern of prophecy. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the grammar of the verse, below, is structured carefully by a non-judgmental author through the power of the HS--it follows the pattern of true prophecy On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:35:10 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/12/2006 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. what do you think this verse means? || Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briars is rejected..is nigh unto cursing [..his] end is to be burned [by Somebody not me] -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt Really !! This will make no difference to you, I am sure, but it does to me: I Cor 1:30 "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us widom from God -- AND righteousness AND sancitification AND redemption." HE is all of this FOR US. In Eph 2:15-16 we are told that the reconciliation accomplished in Christ ABOLISHED the enmity that is the law of commandments contained in the ordances. This is the same "Law of Moses" that Peter tells the council at Jerusalem is a burden greater than any could bear !! (Acts 15:5-11). The old covenant is declared to be [already] OBSOLETE and passing away in Heb 8:13. And when did this happen? AT THE CROSS (Heb 9:15.). Christ lived and died under the law of His Father. We live and die under the law of Christ. A Spirit filled Paul writes to a Spirit filled Christian church and argues that if righteousness came by Spirit filled folk obeying the law, then Christ died needlessly (Gal 2:21.) You and those on this forum who buy into your doctrine can offer no hope to those addicted to sin (aren't we all !!!??) because you have no clue as to the difference between law and grace. When you guys get through with your "explanation," THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE !! -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
If you are provoked by my questions about your posts, the responsibility is not in my methods as much as it is in your lack of humility to explain. I have only asked for explanation, not accused you of anything. Now you have me wondering if there was a more sinister explanation than I had imagined. As for the Judge himself engendering understanding, I agree, but this does not mean that he speaks in a mousy way to everybody, trying to make sure nobody would ever be offended. For example: Matthew 23:31-34 (31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. (33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: David describes Jesus in that TRUE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY in the following way: Psalms 2:9 (9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. So there are many sides to our Judge Jesus and we should not presume to portray him as a weak, effeminate sissy Jesus who never says a hard word to anybody. Amen? David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator, you also Judge ppl in your finitude within v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] ALL conversations beginning with any variation on 'GOD TOLD ME TO/THAT..'
DM says 'personally I don't see tt as a game'. Y'all seem to enjoy playing 'gotcha' from time to time, David. The correction you posted yesterday (?) was an example. Your reference to invulnerability since age 8 was yet another. Some, David, of that which you do little short of outstanding. Some, David, of that which you do is little short of gamesmanship and, prideful (IMO). On asking questions to which you already know the answer! 'have you ever considered that you don't know everything?' He has expressed this on numerous occasions in so many words, David. (That too is a form of gamesmanship, David) I suspect that 'teachings of the Spirit' whether originating from Judy, you or, for that matter anyone, rarely, if ever, seem fooshish to John, David. (gamesmanship once again, David) You, David, do utilize tt, on some occasions, IMO, for the purposes of gamesmanship. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 10:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ALL conversations beginning with any variation on 'GOD TOLD ME TO/THAT..' JD wrote: Yet, it is perfectly clear that some [bizarre] doctrinal comments are not the result of the direction of the Spirit and need no refutation. Have you ever considered that you don't know everything and that you have in some cases dismissed teachings of the Spirit coming through someone like Judy simply because they appear foolish to your mind? David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
'Last days'?? What do you mean, David? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 11:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
'Mousey'? Synonyms please. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 11:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. If you are provoked by my questions about your posts, the responsibility is not in my methods as much as it is in your lack of humility to explain. I have only asked for explanation, not accused you of anything. Now you have me wondering if there was a more sinister explanation than I had imagined. As for the Judge himself engendering understanding, I agree, but this does not mean that he speaks in a mousy way to everybody, trying to make sure nobody would ever be offended. For example: Matthew 23:31-34 (31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. (33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: David describes Jesus in that TRUE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY in the following way: Psalms 2:9 (9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. So there are many sides to our Judge Jesus and we should not presume to portray him as a weak, effeminate sissy Jesus who never says a hard word to anybody. Amen? David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator, you also Judge ppl in your finitude within v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Amen, Judy! Very well said. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] ALL conversations beginning with any variation on 'GOD TOLD ME TO/THAT..'
I will ignore the ad hom lead-in and answer the only question of substance in your post: no. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: Yet, it is perfectly clear that some [bizarre] doctrinal comments are not the result of the direction of the Spirit and need no refutation. Have you ever considered that you don't know everything and that you have in some cases dismissed teachings of the Spirit coming through someone like Judy simply because they appear foolish to your mind? David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend ; who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sinful treatment, by believers, of Women, Slaves First Nations Peoples ?
Lance wrote: 1.Please define 'believer' Someone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and has experienced being born again from above, who thereafter receives the Holy Spirit to lead and guide him into all truth. A believer is rigtheous and walks as Jesus walked. Lance wrote: 2. Can a 'believer' sin over an extended period of time a. wilfully b. ignorantly? Such is not permitted, but it is possible. If a believer were to sin through ignorance, the Lord would chastize that person and lead them back to righteousness. A person in such a situation is restored because of his faith and the hand of the Lord upon him. On the other hand, if he continues on in sin, he can only do so by breaking away from his faith in Christ. If the believer wilfully sins, he is in the same shoes as Lucifer. He is no longer a believer and there is no more sacrifice for his sins. Lance wrote: 3. Please outline the role of 'believing' women a. within the 'believing' community b. within the family c. within society d. within government This is a broad question that cannot adequately be answered briefly. Women have talents and attributes that make them better suited for certain roles and men likewise are better suited for certain roles. No field should be off limits but we should not think something is wrong if we don't have equal numbers of women and men in particular fields. For example, it is natural for there to be more women nurses than men nurses. In like manner, it is natural for there to be more men playing football than women. In regards to the family, it is best for women to be homemakers, guiding the house and teaching the children. Men should be responsible to labor and provide for the family's needs. These roles should not be mandated in a legislative way, nor is there necessarily something wrong if there is some variation from this generalization. In regards to government, it is natural for men to assume the highest positions of ruling, but women also should be incorporated into government inasmuch as there are women who desire such. Generally speaking, I think most women prefer for men to lead in these areas. They would prefer for men to take upon themselves such responsibility. Lance wrote: 4. Please outline your position on 'believers' slavery as practiced in your country Historically, the believers in our country led the way for better treatment of slaves. Some of them worked to abolish slavery altogether. The problem of slavery in this country resulted from a departure from the Scriptural guidelines concerning it. Lance wrote: 5. Please evaluate the treatment by 'believers' of first nations peoples as practiced in your own country both past and present. In our country, we do not call them First Nations. We call them Native Americans or American Indians. Believers for the most part have sacrificed their lives to bring the gospel to American Indians, to educate them and civilize them. One would have a hard time understanding this if they only watched modern movies coming out of Hollywood. If you read the history, such is much better understood. Lance wrote: 6. Limiting your consideration only to the history of your nation, have 'believers' been a force for good/ill vis a vis women, slaves first nations peoples? Believers have been a force for good concerning all three groups. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Your theology confuses the old with the new and has as its primise the fantasy that you must be about the same type of judgment as that of Christ. Nothing could be more false. It flies in the face of Romans 14:4 and denies that God in Christ and He alone is my judge and Master in matters of faith and practice. The only "judgment" we are given to exercise is a moral judgment of those within the body. And the judgment of those outside the body is the work of God, himself -- to the exclusion of the SP (I Cor. 5:11-13.) As a result - my previous comments remain true and very much in line with the message of love and concern and my preaching is truly that of "good news." jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the ea rth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be u nsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
My comment has to do with what we do as "judges." Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of loveas others onthis forum. Harshness and judgmentalism of tone drives more away from Christ and causes more harm in that regard than all the fussin' you guys do with your signsand the perfect signage message!!! You judge the world when told not to and you judge your brethren when told not to. Any comments regarding the error of my message seem rather humorous coming from those who disregard so much for the sakeofmacho evangelism. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the ea rth with all plagues, as often as they will. (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Clearly these two witnesses are not Imposters. Their judgment is of God, but it is not a redeeming judgment of grace that calls everyone to join a particular Jesus club. The truth is that the days are rapidly approaching when grace will be taken from the earth. The days are coming when men will cry out to God for salvation, but God will not answer them nor deliver them. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be u nsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-"I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful". No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must lovethis religion as there no fear involvedGary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] Which God?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:01:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Which God? Dean:As to the 'God/god' of the Bible:Why is it, Dean, David, Judy, Perry, that all 'believers' don't, while inhabited by the same Holy Spirit, come to the same conclusions re:The 'God/god' of the Bible? through that selfsame Bible?Do some sin against that Spirit? IFF 'believers' then, how does this take place? cd: I agree that there will be differences as some are different part of the body but we are in agreement with the Bible Lance-The Entire Bible not just parts.Yes some sin against that spirit but a true believer will fall on his knees and repent-not continue in error. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 06:40 Subject: [TruthTalk] Which God? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 9:41:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. 'inspections' rankamong prerequisites for Satan to 'appear' (lookin' like jt's God to you) cd: Using wisdom in the inspection knowing some need to be taught-one would be a fool not to watch.By the way-this is in the Bible-you know the big book with 66 smaller books inside.Yes, it is the same God as Judy, David,and Perry has but not the samegod as you guys have-I cannot find yours in the Bible Gary.He acts and thinks differently them what the Bible saysours does.Disharmony throughout the Bible is strong with your god. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:35:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why[does] Satan appear as a angel of light [partic to fruit inspectors] cd: HuH?Say what?
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. John wrote:I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:28:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
cd: I am not sure where you got this twisted version of our statements that have been taken out of context-but you are incorrect.By the way who is the BSF? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 1:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:50:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding BSF/Groupthink? Hmm cd; Group thinking come from psychology.People are prone to go with the direction of the overall group-right or wrong. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Dean !!! Would you p[lease slow down and proof read you comments. Read this out loud and you will see what I mean. . cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. Secondly, I never said that the group defines God. Such is a lie and I am tired of it. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. John wrote:I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:28:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:16:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Dean: 'birth of a cult'? 'group thinking-no standards to point out error'? 'see why your group don't like preaching such as David (Miller) does'? These are rather serious accusations, Dean. These are certainly not borne out when reading the 'group' via TT. I had a rather lengthy conversation just last evening with a friend who reads TT regularly. I have for the longest time 'heard' only one voice on TT, said I to my friend, that has a 'cultic' ring to it. That voice belongs to no one in 'the group'. Over the decades I've encountered a handful of persons who claimed 'special access' to God; 'special giftedness' in understanding God; along with 'special insight' into others within the 'believing' community. I'd totally concur Dean, that such should be viewed with caution. cd: One thing a cult does is vere away from the bible but leave enough truth to sound convincing. I have yet to meet anyone in a cult that thought they were in a cult. There are too many unexplained sound bible verses in you groups belief.Too much dancing around. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 7:19:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His thoughts is borne. cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Aahhh --- from you two, mostly from Judy. -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: I am not sure where you got this twisted version of our statements that have been taken out of context-but you are incorrect.By the way who is the BSF? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 1:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 5:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Dean !!! Would you p[lease slow down and proof read you comments. Read this out loud and you will see what I mean. . cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. Secondly, I never said that the group defines God. Such is a lie and I am tired of it. cd: Do you remember my replying "What if they decide He is a calf? Others do-I am not lying John-but I forgive you. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. John wrote:I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:28:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Secondly, I never said that the group defines God. Such is a lie and I am tired of it. cd: Do you remember my replying "What if they decide He is a calf? Others do-I am not lying John-but I forgive you. I do not care what you said. Do you understand that comment? I am talking about what I said, Dean. I am talking about what you said of MY comment. And nothing in MY comment spoke of a group defining God. Any comment to the contrary is a lie, at this stage of the discussion. Plain and simple. You think the "church" is all about common folk and bosses, apparently. The fact that the counsel of many is of no value to you as you read and "study" the written word is more than obvious. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 5:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Dean !!! Would you p[lease slow down and proof read you comments. Read this out loud and you will see what I mean. . cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. Secondly, I never said that the group defines God. Such is a lie and I am tired of it. cd: Do you remember my replying "What if they decide He is a calf? Others do-I am not lying John-but I forgive you. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. John wrote:I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:28:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
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John, are you getting paranoid? Nobody accused you of preaching the occult. Also, I hope youunderstand the difference between 'cult' and 'occult.' David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
When you talk about what we do as judges, do you mean in the resurrection when we judge angels or now? I don't understand what you are trying to say or why this would make any difference. The passages for your point of view are not as direct as the ones that I shared. The 1 Cor. 5 passage has to do with the church judging someone in sin within the church. It speaks of driving a person out of relationship with the church, so it argues against your paragraph which said, drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Your other passage in Romans does not concern sin, but rather judging others in their personal convictions. It supports what you are trying to say, but not in the context in which you apply it (street preaching). Also, it speaks of those IN the church, not those OUTSIDE the church. It says nothing about whether or not we should testify to the world that fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, thieves, liars, the covetous, cowards and sissies will not inherit the kingdom of God. The passages I shared were not just about what God does as judge. The two witnesses are men, not God. I can bring up many other similar passages. Furthermore, what Jesus does in the form of judging while on earth is our example of how we ought to judge. There are ways in which Jesus did not judge, and there are ways in which he did judge. Those he sent out did the same work as he did, polarizing people such that some were moved away from God while others were moved closer to God. The criterium of people moving away from God is a sign that God is at work. Don't be blind about this. As for the notion that I judge the world, that is utterly foolish. I do not judge anyone. I testify that their deeds are evil and that every person will be judged one day. I testify that Christ has come and now calls all men to repentance. I preach the forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the dead. I call men and women to repent and enter the kingdom of God. I continue the work of Jesus Christ, and I don't judge others any more than Jesus judged others when he ministered here in the flesh. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. My comment has to do with what we do as judges. Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of love as others on this forum. Harshness and judgmentalism of tone drives more away from Christ and causes more harm in that regard than all the fussin' you guys do with your signs and the perfect signage message!!!You judge the world when told not to and you judge your brethren when told not to. Any comments regarding the error of my message seem rather humorous coming from those who disregard so much for the sake of macho evangelism. jd -- Original message -- From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. I hope you are not offended by my direct speech here, but this entire paragraph is false doctrine. The idea that judgment that drives people away is an Imposter and not of God is clearly unbiblical. Such an idea comes from a last days delusion that cannot endure sound doctrine but instead seeks to give pleasure to itching ears. The role of judgment is to separate the wicked from the righteous. It is polarizing. This is why Jesus said: Matthew 10:34-36 (34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. In these latter days, the spirit of Elijah comes, and it is most manifested in the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Revelation 11:5-7 (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the ea rth with all plagues,
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
John, if it is any consolation, I understood your post and appreciated it. Dean has a valid point too, but it does not invalidate your point, which is what I guess you are trying to say. John, do you understand the value of having a standard (Scripture) and anointed leaders within the body of Christ? Do you believe in authority within the church? David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Secondly, I never said that the group defines God. Such is a lie and I am tired of it. cd: Do you remember my replying What if they decide He is a calf? Others do-I am not lying John-but I forgive you. I do not care what you said. Do you understand that comment? I am talking about what I said, Dean. I am talking about what you said of MY comment. And nothing in MY comment spoke of a group defining God. Any comment to the contrary is a lie, at this stage of the discussion.Plain and simple. You think the church is all about common folk and bosses, apparently. The fact that the counsel of many is of no value to you as you read and study the written word is more than obvious. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 5:58:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Dean !!! Would you p[lease slow down and proof read you comments. Read this out loud and you will see what I mean. . cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. Secondly, I never said that the group defines God. Such is a lie and I am tired of it. cd: Do you remember my replying What if they decide He is a calf? Others do-I am not lying John-but I forgive you. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: Judy the most concern that prompted my below reply to John was his earlier statement of the God is who the group decides He is-tie that to his lower statement and you have a cult. John wrote:I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:28:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinking of Proverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: in the multitude of counsellors there is safety However the counsellors referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. They all say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
What does your question (the first one) have to do with anything I have written in this post? You lost me. Certainly. Both words actually apply -- one leading to the other. I will leave it to your imagination as to what order I might place these two words asa resultof what I have witnessed on this forum.. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, are you getting paranoid? Nobody accused you of preaching the occult. Also, I hope youunderstand the difference between 'cult' and 'occult.' David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
My question was in reaction to: Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding What does your question (the first one) have to do with anything I have written in this post? You lost me. Certainly. Both words actually apply -- one leading to the other. I will leave it to your imagination as to what order I might place these two words asa resultof what I have witnessed on this forum.. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, are you getting paranoid? Nobody accused you of preaching the occult. Also, I hope youunderstand the difference between 'cult' and 'occult.' David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
Dean did prove his point with this passage. The passage teaches that Scripture is profitable for these things. Your characterization that Dean has authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment is false. It only exists in your mind. The 1 Cor. 5 passage deals with how to deal with sin within the church. It does not forbid us from testifying to the world that its deeds are evil. It tells us not to judge them. In other words, I don't take up stones and stone homosexuals, I don't kill abortionists, I don't kill adulterers and murderers, etc. The 2 Tim. passage applies to Street Preaching because we preach to many believers out there, and we are causing them to be the men of God that they should be. If the church was training them right, we wouldn't have to. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. You pass out scripture as if you have proven your point!! . Virtually none of the scripture I have seen you quote has much to do with any of the discussions in which they are used. This is a case in point. The Canadian Bishop says this: It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT!and you quote a passage that speaks of the innate value of scripture and has NOTHING to do with giving you authority to go out into the world pointing fingers of judgment as if you are getting something done for the Lord.In fact, I Cor 5:11-13 tells you NOT to do what you do. Finally, Dean, this II Tim passage not only says NOTHING in defense of what you do as a SP (and even on this forum), it is information given that the man of God might be complete. The reproof and correction mentioned in this passage is directed AT THE MAN OF GOD THAT HE MIGHT BE THOROUGLY FURNISHED and NOT anyone in the world Finally, you miss the point when Lance says My goodness, just look at TT! Do you miss his point? Your agenda has done nothing in a positive way for this forum. Nothing. jd -- Original message -- From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/14/2006 7:18:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. It ain't up to you Dean, to 'allow' a fool to continue in her/his folly. My goodness, just look at TT! cd: That is not what the Bible says Lance.This has been given many times you should study it. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 14, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/13/2006 10:38:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) cd Such as-I can understand why you committed adultery with that women-she is beautiful. No clear rights and wrongs -no strong stance against sin-Satan must love this religion as there no fear involved Gary. Yes, one must use wisdom and understanding if remorse is shown by the transgressor and patience should be shown to the young-but to allow a fool to continue in his folly is not caring about the soul of the fool or the ones the fool will harm. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday,
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
1. I believe that I Cor 5: 9-13 is plain enough for you. The problem lies in your predilection to [perhaps] a number of intersecting and personal teachings. Such teachings cannot be grafted into this passage and so you have problems. Such happens to all of us, of course. Your situation is far from unique. The "judgment" referred to here in this passage involves a number of factors - some of which are unsettling to your way of thinking. Paul's evangelical premise is profound --" I become all things to all men so that by all means I might save some" and ties into his view of "effective" evangelism. The exclusion of the offending BROTHER has nothing to do with the evangelistic strategies of Paul to a "lost and dying" world. Paul knows and believes in the difference between moral and immoral. He is uncompromising on that issue. But he does not get the cart before the horse.[It seems to me that ] You and your SPing pals ask questions that are not being asked and give answers that are not well received all because those who "listen" are nowhere near the question "what must we do?" Evangelism is an easy thing when The Question is assumed --- easy and ineffective. It is another matter, entirel y, to deal with a wicked world full of hurting people.Stephen preached to those "within" and wereabout to kill him. Not your typical typical. Paul , in Athens dealt with those without Judgment was not a part of his message to the "unsaved" ( I Cor 5:12 "for what have I to do wtih judging those also who are outside." The answer is implied, is it not? 2. I believe the two witnesses are the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus in Revelations. 3. Jesus is not our example when it comes to judging the world. He alone is the judge. He will judge all of mankind, including us on That Day. In this day and time, we are to conduct ourselves as not to bring shame to the Message. I expect you to confuse the issue here, but I will wait for that event. 4. If you do not judge anyone, what is the problem? I am critical of those who do judge those in the world, driving them out the back door. --- David writes: When you talk about what we do as judges, do you mean in the resurrection when we judge angels or now? I don't understand what you are trying to say or why this would make any difference.The passages for your point of view are not as direct as the ones that I shared. The 1 Cor. 5 passage has to do with the church judging someone in sin within the church. It speaks of driving a person out of relationship with the church, so it argues against your paragraph which said, "drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God." Your other passage in Romans does not concern sin, but rather judging others in their personal convictions. It supports what you are trying to say, but not in the context in which you apply it (street preaching). Also, it speaks of those IN the church, not those OUTSIDE the church. It says nothing about whether or not we should testify to the world that fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, thieves , liars, the covetous, cowards and sissies will not inherit the kingdom of God.The passages I shared were not just about what God does as judge. The two witnesses are men, not God. I can bring up many other similar passages. Furthermore, what Jesus does in the form of judging while on earth is our example of how we ought to judge. There are ways in which Jesus did not judge, and there are ways in which he did judge. Those he sent out did the same work as he did, polarizing people such that some were moved away from God while others were moved closer to God. The criterium of people moving away from God is a sign that God is at work. Don't be blind about this.As for the notion that I judge the world, that is utterly foolish. I do not judge anyone. I testify that their deeds are evil and that every person will be judged one day. I testify that Christ has come and now calls all men to repentance. I preach the forgiven ess of sins and the resurrection of the dead. I call men and women to repent and enter the kingdom of God. I continue the work of Jesus Christ, and I don't judge others any more than Jesus judged others when he ministered here in the flesh.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tuesday, Februa ry 14, 2006 5:16 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.My comment has to do with what we do as "judges." Your scripture has to do with what God does as judge. I would have thought you would have noted the difference with my comment. Obviously not. I have given you the scriptures that have to do with my point of view (I Cor 5:11-13 and Romans 14:4). I would cite other scriptures such as those that speak of love for the brethren, but you guys do not have the same understanding of love as others on this forum.
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
John, if it is any consolation, I understood your post and appreciated it. Dean has a valid point too, but it does not invalidate your point, which is what I guess you are trying to say.John, do you understand the value of having a standard (Scripture) and anointed leaders within the body of Christ? Do you believe in authority within the church?David Miller. David -- what does this have to do with the current discussion? You know how I feel about the scriptures. But scripture is one thing and my understanding of scripture is another. One is"infallable" and the other is not and thatis the case forus all. The authority of leadership within the church is their life, their example. The hierarchy of the church is this: Ye who are spiritual help those who are weak. And I speak as one who is leadership. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Occult has to do with esoteric and these areoften thebasis of much of what we call cults. As I said before, one gives rise to another. If we do not agree on this , fine. I did not agree with your definition of "believer" as presented to Lance,seeing in that defintion a confusion of terms. Gnats are not very tasty. Is there a good reason why we cannot move on to substantive issues. Allow me my "moment of ignorance." There is plenty to go around !! jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] My question was in reaction to: Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding What does your question (the first one) have to do with anything I have written in this post? You lost me. Certainly. Both words actually apply -- one leading to the other. I will leave it to your imagination as to what order I might place these two words asa resultof what I have witnessed on this forum.. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, are you getting paranoid? Nobody accused you of preaching the occult. Also, I hope youunderstand the difference between 'cult' and 'occult.' David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following: 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense. 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 7. God is male and has a penis. 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripturecan be"received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed. 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass. JD writes: In the biblical concept of the church I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:57:32 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt Really !! This will make no difference to you, I am sure, but it does to me: I Cor 1:30 "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us widom from God -- AND righteousness AND sancitification AND redemption." HE is all of this FOR US. He is all this for us ONLY as we walk after the Spirit JD which means we walk as he walked in obedience to the Father. In Eph 2:15-16 we are told that the reconciliation accomplished in Christ ABOLISHED the enmity that is the law of commandments contained in the ordances. This is the same "Law of Moses" that Peter tells the council at Jerusalem is a burden greater than any could bear !! (Acts 15:5-11). The ordinances had to do with the Levitical Priesthood - not God's moral law JD. You need to read Hebrews more closely and ask God to show you the difference. The old covenant is declared to be [already] OBSOLETE and passing away in Heb 8:13. Yes the sacrifices and feasts are now history; we have one eternal sacrifice which replaces them. And when did this happen? AT THE CROSS (Heb 9:15.). Christ lived and died under the law of His Father. We live and die under the law of Christ. And the law of Christ fulfills the law of His Father so tell me what is the difference? A Spirit filled Paul writes to a Spirit filled Christian church and argues that if righteousness came by Spirit filled folk obeying the law, then Christ died needlessly (Gal 2:21.) A Spirit filled John wrote that "Sin is transgressing the law" So tell me JD, how does one transgress what has been completely done away with. If it is gone already then how can one transgress against it? (1 Jn 3:4) I know you have done away with God's law JD; but it does not look to me like God has. You and those on this forum who buyinto your doctrine can offer no hope to those addicted to sin (aren't we all !!!??) No we are not all addicted to sin. You speak for yourself only JD. I die daily to sin and live by the faith of the son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. I am dead to sin and alive to righteousness. because you have no clue as to the difference between law and grace. When you guys get through with your "explanation," THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE !! I have a different definition of grace than you do JD. For me it is not a cloak for sin - it is the ability through the power of the cross to overcome sin. Grace gives us the power to do as we should and to love the unlovely.. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish
Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.
this has an NT ring to it that has nothing to do with JC and hisfollowers On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:20:28 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..street preachers tell others (lost people) that a certain sin..is wrong
