subject:"\[TruthTalk\] Exerpts"




This isnot the original - this is me explaining 
the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one 
  who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for 
  yourself.  
  
  Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not 
  yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller 
  and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the 
  rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of 
  both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is 
  what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob 
  Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I 
  have missed. jt
  
  And here is what you said you said: 
  Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
  Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
  sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
  correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
  Look in the archives. This is what I 
  said. jt
  
  Not having a good week, 
  are we? JD
  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
  Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
  sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
  correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
  Look in the archives. This is what I 
  said. jt
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


In your first post on this subject, 
you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even 
close. 
But your side does not care what it has written -- only 
what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
Jd 


  That is your myth (read lie) JD because 
  Inever made a statement anything like what you have written 
  below. Did I sayGary O never reads 
  the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and 
  grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual 
  gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
  would say they are all bogus because of the fact 
  that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  


myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the 
Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false 
worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in 
ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; 
e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of 
their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty 
(lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch 
povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed 
inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious 
establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does 
not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes 
of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  . read ..Isaiah 
5:13,14



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2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir




He did. This also included you, Gary along with 
Bill Taylor, Caroline Wong, Jonathan Hughes, Debbie and (sometimes) CPL (he's 
rather preoccupied, sadly with one topic) The rest are engaged in the act of 
reification.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts
  
  note the word 
  'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism 
  
  
  e.g., 
  didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts 
  through the Spirit toPastor Smithson?
  
  On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
..to correctly discern a 
genuine spiritual gift in operation.
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Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below 
and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the 
first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we 
have a split or two JD's posting to the list?

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  What does JD see that no one else 
  does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  



Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the 
one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it 
for yourself.  

Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not 
yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David 
Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of 
the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings 
of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this 
is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of 
Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of 
what I have missed. jt

And here is what you said you said: 
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I 
said. jt

Not having a good week, 
are we? JD
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 
    -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts



Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I 
said. jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  In your first post on this subject, 
  you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even 
  close. 
  But your side does not care what it has written -- only 
  what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
  Jd 
  
  
That is your myth (read lie) JD because 
Inever made a statement anything like what you have written 
below. Did I sayGary O never 
reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted 
and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine 
spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the 
fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the 
  Word of God 
  
  JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  

  
  Isaiah'spointabout false 
  worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in 
  ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's 
  people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), 
  acriticism of their 
  economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty 
  (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch 
  povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed 
  inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious 
  establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does 
  not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes 
  of(its) spiritual suicide
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy 
  Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
. read ..Isaiah 
5:13,14
  
  
  
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2005-06-06 Thread knpraise


Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts



This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.  

Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt

And here is what you said you said: 
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt

Not having a good week, are we? JD
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. 
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
Jd 


That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14



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Kind offunny -- I read two posts from two very different people within seconds of each other. The first wasyour post, below, making it clear that our discussion will have no meaningful conclusion and the other post spoke of the pursuit of meaningless activites and included me (if you can believe it !!!) in that pursuit. Double dose of reality. Truth hurts .. I am pulling out of the "personal defense" business because it truly and obviously is a waste of time.

Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:53:08 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the
first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list?

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.

Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt

And here is what you said you said:
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt

Not having a good week, are we? JD
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.
Jd

That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

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JD the progression was as follows (see below)- as 
usual (for some of you) every road leads to the failure and false gifting 
of DM so the discussion progressed from worship to 
spiritual discernment and who is qualified to discern. Here
you have been usingpart of the thread 'out of context' to makeit into something 
else which is what happens with God's Word continually.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:55:50 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, 
  Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something 
  else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I 
  question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response 
  when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your 
  defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. 
  Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's 
  several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than 
  comments about the movies.JD
  
  JD, you are perverting the truth once more .. The 
  thread actually began (for me) with my response to an item posted by Lance 
  about worship shaping spirituality where he quoted Polyani andmy 
  response in part was as follows:
  
  
  jt: I would disagree with the above 
  statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship 
  rather than vice-versa because true
  worship depends upon a correct 
  heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must 
  properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet 
  Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times 
  literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah 
  about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. 
  Sure it does, these are the ones who descended into 
  Sheoll rejoicing ... read about it in Isaiah 5:13,14
  
  Lance wrote:
  Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm 
  not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by 
  extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The 
  time you could save, Judy!
  
  
  G's contribution = On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:57:29 
  -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
dualistically, 
then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart 
attitude

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  true worship depends upon a correct heart 
  attitude
  
  ===
  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  This isnot the original - this is me explaining 
  the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  



Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the 
one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it 
for yourself.  

Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not 
yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David 
Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of 
the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings 
of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this 
is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of 
Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of 
what I have missed. jt

And here is what you said you said: 
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I 
said. jt

Not having a good week, 
are we? JD
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I 
said. jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  In your first post on this subject, 
  you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even 
  close. 
  But your side does not care what it has written -- only 
  what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
  Jd 
  
  
That is your myth (read lie) JD because 
Inever made a statement anything like what you have written 
below. Did I sayGary O never 
reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted 
and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and

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Good! No need ever for personal defenses because 
the truth will always stand... jt

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:20:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  Kind offunny -- I read two posts from two very different 
  people within seconds of each other. The first wasyour post, 
  below, making it clear that our discussion will have no meaningful 
  conclusion and the other post spoke of the pursuit of meaningless activites 
  and included me (if you can believe it !!!) in that pursuit. 
  Double dose of reality. Truth hurts 
  .. I am pulling out of the "personal 
  defense" business because it truly and obviously is a waste of 
  time. JdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green 
  below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the 
  first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we 
  have a split or two JD's posting to the list?
  
  On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
What does JD see that no one else 
does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  
  
  Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the 
  one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read 
  it for yourself.  
  
  Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not 
  yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David 
  Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of 
  the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the 
  writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies 
  and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, 
  those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some 
  examples of what I have missed. jt
  
  And here is what you said you said: 
  Let me repeat; in my original post on this 
  subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
  sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
  correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
  Look in the archives. This is what I 
  said. jt
  
  Not having a good 
  week, are we? JD
  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 
  -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts
  

  
  Let me repeat; in my original post on this 
  subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
  sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
  correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
  Look in the archives. This is what I 
  said. jt
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  


In your first post on this 
subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. 
Taylor. Not even close. 
But your side does not care what it has written -- 
only what it says it has written. Let's move on. 

Jd 


  That is your myth (read lie) JD because 
  Inever made a statement anything like what you have written 
  below. Did I sayGary O never 
  reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently 
  rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine 
  spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
  would say they are all bogus because of the 
  fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  


myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with 
the Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false 
worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in 
man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s 
ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' 
(5:8), acriticism of their 
economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty 
(lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily 
fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy 
partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 
14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a 
blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual 
suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy 
Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  . read ..Isaiah 
  5:13,14



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He needs a rest
When you tell lies you start forgetting, just exactly what you said, it is hard to keep track of your changing storiesJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list?

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.
Jd

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

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That was the "old" JD posting against the "new" JDJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.
Jd

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

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RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-06 Thread ShieldsFamily




JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant 
quibbles about "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," 
"You are lying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, 
etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for 
you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy


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Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, 
Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something 
else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I 
question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when 
I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of 
that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my 
response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving 
that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the 
movies. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
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This isnot the original - this is me explaining 
the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  
  Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one 
  who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for 
  yourself.  
  
  Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not 
  yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller 
  and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the 
  rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of 
  both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is 
  what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob 
  Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I 
  have missed. jt
  
  And here is what you said you said: 
  Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
  Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
  sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
  correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
  Look in the archives. This is what I 
  said. jt
  
  Not having a good week, 
  are we? JD
  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject 
  Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
  sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
  correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
  Look in the archives. This is what I 
  said. jt
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


In your first post on this subject, 
you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even 
close. 
But your side does not care what it has written -- only 
what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
Jd 


  That is your myth (read lie) JD because 
  Inever made a statement anything like what you have written 
  below. Did I sayGary O never reads 
  the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and 
  grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual 
  gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
  would say they are all bogus because of the fact 
  that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  


myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the 
Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false 
worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in 
ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; 
e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of 
their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty 
(lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch 
povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed 
inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious 
establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does 
not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes 
of(its) spiritual suicide

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  . read ..Isaiah 
5:13,14



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2005-06-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Actually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having just 
such a squabble.

Perry

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Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500

JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles
about I didn't say that, Yes I did, You said thus and such,  You are
lying about what I said,  Prove that I said that,, etc, etc, etc.  Ever
notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you?  Does this tell
you anything??? Izzy

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Wrong again.  The words, below, are your original post, Judy.   The post
preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging
Lance and Gary's names into the subject.   I question you on this, 
wondering

why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them
at all, and this origianl post is your defence of that strange occurance.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL.   Eventually, my response to your false accusations
was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script
included much much more than comments about the movies.

JD

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This is not the original - this is me explaining the original.  You'll have
to do better than this... jt

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Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor.   I am the one who spoke of rooting
and grounding -- not you.  but you can read it for yourself.
Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of
the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift.  
I'd

be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word)
that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD.  Lance is an
expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up 
with

his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word myth ... So how about
giving me some examples of what I have missed.   jt

And here is what you said you said:
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that
neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a
genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives.  This is what I said.  jt

Not having a good week, are we?
JD

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');

Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that
neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a
genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives.  This is what I said.  jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all,  Mrs.
Taylor.   Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written  -- only what it says it 
has

written.   Let's move on.
Jd

That is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anything
like what you have written below.  Did I say Gary O never reads the Bible?
What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's 
Word

to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at
heart.  jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie)  :  Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JD

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting
in man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people;
e.g., '..you live alone in the land'  (5:8), a criticism of their economics
which reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over the
poor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centeredness
witnessed in the philosophy partic of the/ir religious establishment (cp.
3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society
trapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

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2005-06-06 Thread ShieldsFamily

Oh, yeah. One for you. Dozens for JD. Izzy 

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Actually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having just
such a squabble.

Perry

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JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant 
quibbles about I didn't say that, Yes I did, You said thus and 
such,  You are lying about what I said,  Prove that I said that,, 
etc, etc, etc.  Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except 
for you?  Does this tell you anything??? Izzy

   _

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Wrong again.  The words, below, are your original post, Judy.   The post
preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging
Lance and Gary's names into the subject.   I question you on this, 
wondering
why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced 
them at all, and this origianl post is your defence of that strange
occurance.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL.   Eventually, my response to your false accusations
was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script 
included much much more than comments about the movies.

JD

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

This is not the original - this is me explaining the original.  You'll 
have to do better than this... jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');  writes:

Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor.   I am the one who spoke of rooting
and grounding -- not you.  but you can read it for yourself.
Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are 
two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual
gift.
I'd
be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's 
Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD.  
Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary 
is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word 
myth ... So how about
giving me some examples of what I have missed.   jt

And here is what you said you said:
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said 
that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in 
God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives.  This is what I said.  jt

Not having a good week, are we?
JD

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');

Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said 
that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in 
God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives.  This is what I said.  jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all,  Mrs.
Taylor.   Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written  -- only what it says 
it has
written.   Let's move on.
Jd

That is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement 
anything like what you have written below.  Did I say Gary O never reads
the Bible?
What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's 
Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in 
operation.
Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic 
at heart.  jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie)  :  Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JD

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 
'trusting in man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of 
God's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land'  (5:8), a criticism 
of their economics which reflects their real poverty (lording 
themselves over the poor)..apparently such poverty results primarily 
from man-centeredness witnessed in the philosophy partic of the/ir
religious establishment (cp.
3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed 
society trapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

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2005-06-06 Thread knpraise

thank you.

Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:40:26 -0700Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

Actually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having just such a squabble.PerryFrom: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] ExerptsDate: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibblesabout "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You arelying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, etc. Evernotice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tellyou anything??? Izzy __
___From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsWrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The postpreeceding this one has me talking about something else and you draggingLance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wonderingwhy you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced themat all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance.THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accus
ationswas to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in scriptincluded much much more than comments about the movies.JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsThis is not the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll haveto do better than this... jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); writes:
bsp;Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rootingand grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two ofthe three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'dbe interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word)that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is anexpert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up withhis own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how aboutgiving me some examples of what I have missed. jtAnd here is what you said you said:Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said thatneither Lance nor Gary weresufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly di
scern agenuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtNot having a good week, are we?JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said thatneither Lance nor Gary weresufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern agenuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs.Taylor.
Not even close.But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it haswritten. Let's move on.JdThat is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anythinglike what you have written below. Did I say Gary O never reads the Bible?What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Wordto discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Actually I suspect hewould say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic atheart. jtOn Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of GodJDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trustingin man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people;e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), a criticism of their economicswhich reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over thepoor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centerednesswitnessed in the philosophy partic of the/ir religious establishment (cp.3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed societytrapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicideOn Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes:. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 _Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun
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Because he changes his story so much even he can't remember the latest revision.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You are lying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts



Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts



This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.  

Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt

And here is what you said you said: 
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt

Not having a good week, are we? JD
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. 
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
Jd 


That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

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JD has had such with DM, Izzy, JT and KD
Can anyone in the history of TT match that record?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, yeah. One for you. Dozens for JD. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry LockeSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] ExerptsActually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having justsuch a squabble..PerryFrom: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ExerptsDate: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You are lying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc,
 etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy _From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsWrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The postpreeceding this one has me talking about something else and you draggingLance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wonderingwhy you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strangeoccurance.THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusationswas to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script
 included much much more than comments about the movies.JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsThis is not the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');> writes:Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rootingand grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritualgift.I'dbe interested in some examples of the
 rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how aboutgiving me some examples of what I have missed. jtAnd here is what you said you said:Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtNot having a good week, are we?JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] <_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');>Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither
 Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs.Taylor. Not even close.But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it haswritten. Let's move on.JdThat is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I say Gary O never readsthe Bible?What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Actually I suspect hewould say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart.
 jtOn Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of GodJDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), a criticism of their economics which reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centeredness witnessed in the philosophy partic of the/irreligious establishment (cp.3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicideOn Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:. read ..Isaiah
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I have done that with Lance...successfully

Keepreassuring your self
say it a few more times a little bit louder and you may start believing it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

Gary is not a man of many words -- kind of like Terry. He may not seem as traditional in thought as some on this forum -- but he is clearly concerned with the Word, God in Christ and so on. To argue otherwise is to pita lie against the truth. I will certainly go into the archives to demonstrate my point. I have done that with Lance...successfully , I might add. Do any doubt that this can be done with Mr. G? Will there be moderated comments about bearing false witness now that someone on the "left" has proven the accepted gossip to be a untrue.

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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14
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I don't think JD has a problemunderstanding
I think he misrepresents others views ( as amply shown in the past) in order to shoot down the STRAW MAN he created.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

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2005-06-05 Thread knpraise


In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. 
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.

Jd



That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God 

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14



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2005-06-05 Thread Judy Taylor




Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. 
Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to 
correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said. 
jt

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  In your first post on this subject, you 
  did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even 
  close. 
  But your side does not care what it has written -- only 
  what it says it has written. Let's move on. 
  Jd
  
  
That is your myth (read lie) JD because 
Inever made a statement anything like what you have written 
below. Did I sayGary O never reads 
the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and 
grounded in God's Word 
to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in 
operation. Actually I suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact 
that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the 
  Word of God 
  
  JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  

  
  Isaiah'spointabout false 
  worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, 
  Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., 
  '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their 
  economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording 
  themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults 
  primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy 
  partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); 
  also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a 
  blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual 
  suicide
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
. read ..Isaiah 
  5:13,14
  
  
  
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2005-06-05 Thread ttxpress




note the word 
'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism 


e.g., 
didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through 
the Spirit toPastor Smithson?

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  genuine spiritual gift in operation.
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2005-06-05 Thread knpraise

Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.
Jd

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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You givehim an endless source of matrerial. 

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Are you stuck in a RUT man?

Everything you post is either "MYTH" or "DUALISM"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude

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Sort of like when JD argued that "ALL" which became "most" and finally "some" when confronted with his own statement.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God

JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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How does your spiritual gift discern between MYTH and Dualism?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


note the word 'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism 

e.g., didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through the Spirit toPastor Smithson?

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2005-06-04 Thread knpraise


If the shoe fits, Judy. if the shoe fits. I am quite sure you ahve used the word 'liberal" on this forum. But that is not important, is it? -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:36:43 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts



Don't believe I've ever used the word "liberal" on TT JD. I am into truth vs error rather than liberal vs
whatever... and what's this with the angst? Where did that come from? jt

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:58:42 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Have you read Eph 5:18-20. Think "imbibe." And why would you waste everyone's time rejecting such an observation. You do not fight liberalism -- you guys just fight against anything you didn't make up. Nearly everything I believe is accepted by our friends as BSF while you pretend that youare onto something really big in fight'en those dirty ol' liberals. You got Deegan all alone up there in the North, wishing that he had paid more attention in his English comprehension class -- Izzy there in St Louis pretending that she really understands what is going on and David pretending that he is the one who cast's the larger shadow (with the Lord's help, of course.) 

Why not drop all this ankst and get on with the discussion. I will if you will. It is up to you all. Be our example and we (I am sure) will follow suit. 

JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]





If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are
the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know
the voice of the Shepherd. jt

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy!

From: Judy Taylor 

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Worship shapes our spirituality
"...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course)..

jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing.

Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship.

jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks.

.theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality.

jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

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Methodist, around the corner from our home.
One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the
century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder
we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy











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what church?











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..a church service..in which the
Reverend was a lesbian

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2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir




Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 
'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order 
to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on 
sister!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts
  
  
  Methodist, around the 
  corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these 
  huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered 
  with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of 
  saints. Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
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  what 
  church?
  
  
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
  ..a church 
  service..in which the Reverend was a 
  lesbian

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I suppose you would sit there and celebrate
the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert woman? 











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Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving'
around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to
fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister!







- Original Message - 





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Methodist, around the corner from our
home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful
turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with
sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints.
Izzy











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what church?











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..a church service..in which the
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2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir




I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who 
choose the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What 
was it again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? A 
but, you take the Scriptures seriously unlike some who shall remain nameless 
(eh?)!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 04, 2005 11:11
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts
  
  
  I suppose you would 
  sit there and celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of 
  that pervert woman? 
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:54 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Exerpts
  
  
  Wasn't it Jesus who firstset 
  the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and 
  the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! 
  Right on sister!
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


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[TruthTalk] Exerpts


Methodist, around 
the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in 
these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all 
peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real 
gathering of saints. Izzy





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what 
church?



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service..in which the Reverend was a 
lesbian

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ANSWER THE QUESTION LANCE. 











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I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose the
'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What was it
again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? A but,
you take the Scriptures seriously unlike some who shall remain nameless
(eh?)!







- Original Message - 





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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: June 04, 2005
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I suppose you would sit there and
celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert
woman? 











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Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving'
around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to
fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister!







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






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Sent: June 04, 2005
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Methodist, around the corner from our
home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful
turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with
sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints.
Izzy











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what church?











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2005-06-04 Thread David Miller

Lance wrote:
 I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose
 the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'.
 What was it again that Jesus was criticized for?
 With whom was he hanging out?

Let's make one thing clear.  Jesus did not have fellowship with sinners.  I 
have been criticized many times for being friends with homosexuals, 
fornicators, drunkards, drug addicts, prison convicts, etc.  I have even 
been disfellowshipped for having homosexuals in my Bible studies. 
Nevertheless, I have never had fellowship with these sinners while they were 
still in their sin.

Jesus was criticized for ministering to sinners, not for having fellowship 
with them.  Every sinner who came to Jesus was told by Jesus to go and sin 
no more.  Why?  Sinners cannot have fellowship with Jesus.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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2005-06-04 Thread Judy Taylor




I knew it! You definitely do have your own 
exclusive Bible Lance. Where do you read that Jesus went to
fellowship with "sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies, 
and the like" In my Bibles they came to Him ... In fact
read John 2:23-25 and you will see that during the 
Passover there were many who believed on Him just
because of what they saw Him do but he would 
not commit Himself to them because He knew what was in
man. So what has 
changed?? God's ppl have a responsibility to go into the highways and 
byways which
the much criticized SP's are doing to preach the 
Kingdom and call people to God. However, the Church has
a different standard, it should not be full of the 
kinds of ppl you name. As Paul told the Ephesians "such
WERE some of you" jt

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:53:45 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 
  'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in 
  order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on 
  sister!
  
From: ShieldsFamily 


Methodist, around 
the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in 
these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all 
peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real 
gathering of saints. Izzy





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what 
church?



On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" 
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..a church 
service..in which the Reverend was a 
lesbian

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Judy, I think Lance is talking about all
those times when Jesus hung out in the Baal temples with the
homos and prostitutesits in his Bible. Izzy











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I knew it! You definitely do have
your own exclusive Bible Lance. Where do you read that Jesus went to





fellowship with sodomites, whores,
liberals, crazies, and the like In my Bibles they came to Him ...
In fact





read John 2:23-25 and you will see that
during the Passover there were many who believed on Him just





because of what they saw Him do but he would not commit Himself to them
because He knew what was in





man. So what has changed?? God's
ppl have a responsibility to go into the highways and byways which





the much criticized SP's are doing to
preach the Kingdom and call people to God. However, the Church has





a different standard, it should not be
full of the kinds of ppl you name. As Paul told the Ephesians such





WERE some of you jt











On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:53:45 -0400 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving'
around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to
fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister!







From: ShieldsFamily










Methodist, around the corner from our
home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful
turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with
sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints.
Izzy











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what church?











On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





..a church service..in which the
Reverend was a lesbian

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2005-06-04 Thread ttxpress





Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in 
ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the 
arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the 
land' (5:8), acriticism of their 
economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording 
themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily 
fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic 
ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); 
also, 
5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the 
throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  . read ..Isaiah 
5:13,14

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-04 Thread knpraise


myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God 

JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-04 Thread knpraise






myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God 

Gary is not a man of many words -- kind of like Terry. He may not seem as traditional in thought as some on this forum -- but he is clearly concerned with the Word, God in Christ and so on. To argue otherwise is to pita lie against the truth. I will certainly go into the archives to demonstrate my point. I have done that with Lance...successfully , I might add. Do any doubt that this can be done with Mr. G? Will there be moderated comments about bearing false witness now that someone on the "left" has proven the accepted gossip to be a untrue. 

JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-04 Thread ttxpress




(the factthat 
Methodistswere having a 'church' service iz really significant--the word 
'church' in its context unravels the) myth

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:42:55 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Methodist
  ||
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Exerpts
  
  
  what 
  church?
  
  
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
  ..a church 
  service..in which the Reverend was a 
  lesbian

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2005-06-04 Thread Judy Taylor




That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever 
made a statement anything like what you have written
below. Did I sayGary O never reads the 
Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded 

in God's Word to discern 
what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I 
suspect he
would say they are all bogus because of the fact that 
he is Calvinistic at heart. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of 
  God 
  
  JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  

  
  Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in 
  ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the 
  arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the 
  land' (5:8), acriticism of their 
  economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording 
  themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults 
  primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy 
  partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); 
  also, 
  5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the 
  throes of(its) spiritual suicide
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
. read ..Isaiah 
  5:13,14

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2005-06-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Are you stuck in a RUT man?

Everything you post is either "MYTH" or "DUALISM"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude
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You are so right. An adversarial relationship, but a 
relationship for sure. Izzy


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:02 
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myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of 
God 

JD-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 
14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts






Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in 
ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the 
arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the 
land' (5:8), acriticism of their 
economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording 
themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily 
fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic 
ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); 
also, 
5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the 
throes of(its) spiritual suicide

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  . read ..Isaiah 
5:13,14

RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

Pr 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD
Pr 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD
Pr 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
Pr 21:4 the plowing of the wicked, is sin.
Even the "best" of the wicked is an Abomination to God!
Even the work (plowing) turns God's stomach.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Excellent points, Judy. Worship can be acceptable or unacceptable to God. If it feels good, it isnt necessarily acceptable to Him. I sat in on part of a church service in which the Reverend was a lesbian, and the congregation was filled with sodomites. They were quite into their communal worship as they hugged each other and rejoiced in the fact that God loved them so much they could come out of the closet. I had to leave when they started handing out communion as I just couldnt stomach watching that sacrilege. It was enough to make even me throw up. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:59 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts






On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Worship shapes our spirituality

"...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course)..



jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true

worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing.



Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship.



jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks.



.theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality.



jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go... 





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I have no idea what that was supposed to mean. So Methodists 
don't have church services? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:41 
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
Exerpts

(the factthat 
Methodistswere having a 'church' service iz really significant--the word 
'church' in its context unravels the) myth

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:42:55 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Methodist
  ||
  
  

  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Exerpts
  
  
  what 
  church?
  
  
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
  ..a church 
  service..in which the Reverend was a 
  lesbian

RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-04 Thread Kevin Deegan

He is dancing as fast as he can.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









ANSWER THE QUESTION LANCE. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:16 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts


I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What was it again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? A but, you take the Scriptures seriously unlike some who shall remain nameless (eh?)!


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 04, 2005 11:11

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts


I suppose you would sit there and celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert woman? 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:54 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts


Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister!


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts


Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy





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what church?



On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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[TruthTalk] Exerpts

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Worship shapes our spirituality
"...our spirituality is usually shaped more by
the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe
way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our
experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are
far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we
go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the
sermon..(not one of yours, of course)..

jt: I would disagree with the above
statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship
rather than vice-versa because true
worship depends upon a correct
heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must
properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet
Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times
literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah
about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol
rejoicing.

Christian philosopher and scientist Michael
Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis'
without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as
'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the
way that they worship.

jt: This is not the way
anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by
instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we
can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who
imbibe should be drunks.

.theology springs from right worship but theology
also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular
relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each
otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people
spirituality.

jt: Just like your little
trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-03 Thread Lance Muir




Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this 
I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by 
extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The 
time you could save, Judy!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 15:58
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts
  
  
  
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Worship shapes our spirituality
"...our spirituality is usually shaped more by 
the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and 
teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced 
enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are 
especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming 
something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves 
meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of 
course)..

jt: I would disagree with the 
above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes 
worship rather than vice-versa because true
worship depends upon a correct 
heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must 
properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke 
through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts 
and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through 
the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves 
and thesedescended into 
sheol rejoicing.

Christian philosopher and scientist Michael 
Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' 
without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 
'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the 
way that they worship.

jt: This is not the way 
anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by 
instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we 
can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones 
who imbibe should be drunks.

.theology springs from right worship but 
theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular 
relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each 
otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes 
people spirituality.

jt: Just like your little 
trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-03 Thread knpraise



Absolutely. -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts





Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy!

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 15:58
Subject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts



On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Worship shapes our spirituality
"...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course)..

jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true
worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing.

Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship.

jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks.

.theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality.

jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts




If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where 
is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are
the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings 
need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know
the voice of the Shepherd. 
jt

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given 
  this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for 
  David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest 
  of us. The time you could save, Judy!
  
From: Judy Taylor 

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Worship shapes our spirituality
  "...our spirituality is usually shaped more 
  by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and 
  teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced 
  enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are 
  especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming 
  something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves 
  meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of 
  course)..
  
  jt: I would disagree with the 
  above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes 
  worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we 
  do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare 
  ourselves to worship.. And 
  God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and 
  told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally 
  made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about 
  a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol 
  rejoicing.
  
  Christian philosopher and scientist Michael 
  Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' 
  without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 
  'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through 
  the way that they worship.
  
  jt: This is not the way 
  anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform 
  (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so 
  that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The 
  only ones who imbibe should be drunks.
  
  .theology springs from right worship but 
  theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a 
  circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology 
  support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in 
  turn shapes people spirituality.
  
  jt: Just like your little 
  trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-03 Thread knpraise


Have you read Eph 5:18-20. Think "imbibe." And why would you waste everyone's time rejecting such an observation. You do not fight liberalism -- you guys just fight against anything you didn't make up. Nearly everything I believe is accepted by our friends as BSF while you pretend that youare onto something really big in fight'en those dirty ol' liberals. You got Deegan all alone up there in the North, wishing that he had paid more attention in his English comprehension class -- Izzy there in St Louis pretending that she really understands what is going on and David pretending that he is the one who cast's the larger shadow (with the Lord's help, of course.) 

Why not drop all this ankst and get on with the discussion. I will if you will. It is up to you all. Be our example and we (I am sure) will follow suit. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:16:27 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts





If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are
the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know
the voice of the Shepherd. jt

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy!

From: Judy Taylor 

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Worship shapes our spirituality
"...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course)..

jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing.

Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship.

jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks.

.theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality.

jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-03 Thread ttxpress




dualistically, 
then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  true worship depends upon a correct heart 
  attitude

RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts

2005-06-03 Thread ShieldsFamily









Excellent points, Judy. Worship can
be acceptable or unacceptable to God. If it feels good, it isnt
necessarily acceptable to Him. I sat in on part of a church service in
which the Reverend was a lesbian, and the congregation was filled
with sodomites. They were quite into their communal worship
as they hugged each other and rejoiced in the fact that God loved them so much
they could come out of the closet. I had to leave when they started
handing out communion as I just couldnt stomach watching
that sacrilege. It was enough to make even me throw up. Izzy











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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Worship shapes our spirituality





...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience
of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think
about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God
in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to
find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are
to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of
course)..











jt: I would disagree
with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality
shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true





worship depends upon a
correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We
must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of
it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day
that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He
also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased
with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing.











Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of
knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing
that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most
Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship.











jt: This is not
the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals
perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind
so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The
only ones who imbibe should be drunks.











.theology springs from right worship but theology also, in
turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between
the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can
guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality.











jt: Just like your
little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

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Don't believe I've ever used the word "liberal" on TT
JD. I am into truth vs error rather than liberal vs
whatever... and what's this with the angst? Where
did that come from? jt

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:58:42 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Have you read Eph 5:18-20. Think "imbibe." And
why would you waste everyone's time rejecting such an
observation. You do not fight liberalism
-- you guys just fight against anything you didn't make up. Nearly
everything I believe is accepted by our friends as BSF while you pretend that
youare onto something really big in fight'en those dirty ol'
liberals. You got Deegan all alone up there in the North, wishing
that he had paid more attention in his English comprehension class
-- Izzy there in St Louis pretending that she really
understands what is going on and David pretending that he is the one who
cast's the larger shadow (with the Lord's help, of course.)

Why not drop all this ankst and get on with the discussion. I
will if you will. It is up to you all. Be our
example and we (I am sure) will follow suit.

JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres
where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are
the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings
need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know
the voice of the Shepherd.
jt

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given
this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for
David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the
rest of us. The time you could save, Judy!

From: Judy
Taylor

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

Worship shapes our
spirituality
"...our spirituality is usually shaped more
by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and
teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced
enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are
especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming
something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find
ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of
course)..

jt: I would disagree with the
above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes
worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and
we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly
prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the
prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and
worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through
the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves
and thesedescended
into sheol rejoicing.

Christian philosopher and scientist Michael
Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis'
without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to
as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology
through the way that they worship.

jt: This is not the way
anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform
(by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so
that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The
only ones who imbibe should be drunks.

.theology springs from right worship but
theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a
circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology
support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in
turn shapes people spirituality.

jt: Just like your
little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...

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