RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Iz:No camera needed. Just 'read me' on TT. Case closed. Listen, Iz, my dear--why is it that political discussions get you all in a knot while discussions pertaining to the 'faith once delivered to the saints' leave you with a sense of indifference? Some things are easier to figure out than others. J Iz - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 15:04 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Listen, Lance, my dear—why is it that every time I make a point you just clam up? What is YOUR POINT??? It seems to me that whenever Liberals are too inarticulate to articulate what, specifically, they don’t like about GWB, they accuse HIM of being “inarticulate”. And whenever they are unable to intelligently discuss exactly why they disagree with his policies, they call HIM “stupid”. Why is it that Liberals avoid discussing ISSUES, and instead ATTACK those that they disagree with? Is this living according to the Law of Love? Izzy PS You said that you prefer an “immoral JFK to a moral GWB”. Why IS that??? It seems that the only thing you have mentioned that you disagree with GWB about is the war in Iraq. Ever hear of the Bay of Pigs? Ever hear of Vietnam? PPS If someone followed YOU around with a camera with the intention of making YOU look stupid/inept/unintelligent, do you think they would have any problem accomplishing their goal??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Iz:No. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 14:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush I think you are alluding to “moral-ism” as a religion or substitute for Godly righteousness. Making moral choices is not moral-ism, but morality, or doing right, or righteousness, or morals-in-action, or godliness, or……...So do you think morality is of the devil? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Iz:Tell me the difference, as you see it, then I'll give you an answer. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 13:56 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a "moral" president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a "moral" neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he) I'd always choose the former." So what’s the point? Moral(ism) is, in my opinion, of the Devil. Do you also believe morality is of the devil? Izzy - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush How about a “moral” President? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:No! This is not an example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily concur. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
In a message dated 6/15/2004 1:28:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just for the record. I was at a concert to support Compassion International and Amy Grant was one of the singers - (I mainly went to hear Mercy Me) She gave quite a testimony and spoke about her sin and restoration. Laura Doesn't move me. The plan for most in her situation is to go ahead and commit the deed, then repent after she /he has destroyed whatever is in her/his way, collected and possessed the benefit, and in general made a mockery of the Lordship of Christ. John Your choice to judge as you want. I choose to let God do the judging. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Iz:No camera needed. Just 'read me' on TT. Case
closed.
Listen, Iz, my dear--why is it that political
discussions get you all in a knot while discussions pertaining to the 'faith
once delivered to the saints' leave you with a sense of
indifference?
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 15, 2004 15:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
Listen,
Lance, my dearwhy is it that every time I make a point you just clam up? What
is YOUR POINT???
It
seems to me that whenever Liberals are too inarticulate to articulate what,
specifically, they dont like about GWB, they accuse HIM of being
inarticulate. And whenever they
are unable to intelligently discuss exactly why they disagree with his
policies, they call HIM stupid.
Why is it that Liberals avoid discussing
ISSUES, and instead ATTACK those that they disagree with? Is this living according to the Law of
Love? Izzy
PS
You said that you prefer an immoral JFK to a moral GWB. Why IS that??? It seems that the only thing you have
mentioned that you disagree with GWB about is the war in Iraq. Ever hear of the Bay of Pigs?
Ever hear of Vietnam?
PPS If
someone followed YOU around with a camera with the intention of making YOU
look stupid/inept/unintelligent, do you think they would have any problem
accomplishing their goal???
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Lance
MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15,
2004 12:23 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
Iz:No.
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From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June
15, 2004 14:15
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
I
think you are alluding to moral-ism as a religion or substitute for Godly
righteousness. Making moral
choices is not moral-ism, but morality, or doing right, or righteousness, or
morals-in-action, or godliness, or
...So do you think morality is of the
devil? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:05
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President
George Bush
Iz:Tell me the difference, as
you see it, then I'll give you an answer.
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From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June
15, 2004 13:56
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President
George Bush
OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a
"moral" president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to
a "moral" neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said
he) I'd always choose the former." So whats the point? Moral(ism) is, in my
opinion, of the Devil. Do
you also believe morality is of the devil?
Izzy
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From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
June 15, 2004 11:41
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
How
about a moral President? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President
George Bush
Izzy:No! This is not an
example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which
I heartily concur.
- Original Message
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
June 15, 2004 11:13
Subject:
RE: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
Example
of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month,
thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957
Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
In a message dated 6/15/2004 1:48:11 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A frequent story by those who intended to do wrong, did it, and intended to be âforgiven and restoredâ all along. That does not change the fact that they are living in an adulterous relationship to this day (if they did not divorce on Biblical grounds). Izzy I'm not condoning what happened - just saying that the Lord appears to be using her and even though I don't buy her music, I did not walk out because she stepped up to the stage. Laura
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Listen, Lance, my dear—why is it that every time I make a point you just clam up? What is YOUR POINT??? It seems to me that whenever Liberals are too inarticulate to articulate what, specifically, they don’t like about GWB, they accuse HIM of being “inarticulate”. And whenever they are unable to intelligently discuss exactly why they disagree with his policies, they call HIM “stupid”. Why is it that Liberals avoid discussing ISSUES, and instead ATTACK those that they disagree with? Is this living according to the Law of Love? Izzy PS You said that you prefer an “immoral JFK to a moral GWB”. Why IS that??? It seems that the only thing you have mentioned that you disagree with GWB about is the war in Iraq. Ever hear of the Bay of Pigs? Ever hear of Vietnam? PPS If someone followed YOU around with a camera with the intention of making YOU look stupid/inept/unintelligent, do you think they would have any problem accomplishing their goal??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Iz:No. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 14:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush I think you are alluding to “moral-ism” as a religion or substitute for Godly righteousness. Making moral choices is not moral-ism, but morality, or doing right, or righteousness, or morals-in-action, or godliness, or……...So do you think morality is of the devil? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Iz:Tell me the difference, as you see it, then I'll give you an answer. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 13:56 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a "moral" president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a "moral" neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he) I'd always choose the former." So what’s the point? Moral(ism) is, in my opinion, of the Devil. Do you also believe morality is of the devil? Izzy - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush How about a “moral” President? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:No! This is not an example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily concur. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
No it doesn't work for the JW's - they are a cult, so nothing that matters is working for them. Also shunning is no more God's way than stealing another woman's husband because it breaks the 'royal law' If I had occasion to meet Amy Grant in a social situation by His grace I would be able to walk in love toward her. However, like John, I don't choose to spend money buying her CD's nor do I choose to sit under her ministry or be entertained by her. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:I'd say let's 'shun 'em'. It works for the JW's. I believe that all reconciliation should only be partial. From: Judy Taylor Thanks for sharing your perception/experience John. I've seen too much of this in christian circles and you don't very often hear from the one who was hurt. I used to like Amy Grant's music but have no heart for it anymore. She may be forgiven and restored in her relationship with God but I wonder if it would be better for the body of Christ and unbelievers who may be influenced also if prominent people who have been involved in this kind of thing just quietly disappeared, retired, or whatever. judyt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:02:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John:Disagree vehemently! God didn't stop listening to them and, neither have I. Vehemently?! Wow. It is not a salvation issue with me. But it is a leadership issue. Leaders in the church are to be above the fray. And I know that gospel singer is not a leader in the same sense as a prophet, teacher, preacher or elder. But with Amy, I just can't buy her albums. I know something about the situation between her and Pretty Boy. I saw the hurt in Chapman's face (Gary Chapman is or was her husband, right?). I have been through that same kind of disception and have no heart for those who pretend to be what they are not. I also do not watch movies about divorce, comedy or otherwise. Personal preference. God has not stopped listen to Amy but I have. I had just bought an album by Pretty Boy, too. It has never been opened. John
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In a message dated 6/15/2004 11:38:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd say let's 'shun 'em'. It works for the JW's. I believe that all reconciliation should only be partial. So partial reconciliation would just be con - ciliation. Con game, Con vict. Maybe not funny but I am trying. J
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
In a message dated 6/15/2004 11:30:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for sharing your perception/experience John. I've seen too much of this in christian circles and you don't very often hear from the one who was hurt. I used to like Amy Grant's music but have no heart for it anymore. She may be forgiven and restored in her relationship with God but I wonder if it would be better for the body of Christ and unbelievers who may be influenced also if prominent people who have been involved in this kind of thing just quietly disappeared, retired, or whatever. judyt Thank you. I did not mean to come on strong against what Laura had said. All this is about a personal bias. The kids mom of 23 years knew exactly what she was doing and knew that the church had "no choice but to forgive her" when she came asking -- and she is right. It is not even a matter of forgiveness for me -- you just get hurt beyond your ability to deal with it as you should. It is never on my mind but when she walks into a room in my presense, its 1987 all over again -- same rage and all. I control it. We have 5 awesome kids. It has effected each in a different way. But things are good now and my wife of 3 years is one of the most dedicated Christians I have every known. Too bad she got the dirty end of the stick with me -- but I don;t care. I have a smile on my face and in my heart most of the time. Thanks again. a brother, John
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Iz:No.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 15, 2004 14:15
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
I
think you are alluding to moral-ism as a religion or substitute for Godly
righteousness. Making moral
choices is not moral-ism, but morality, or doing right, or righteousness, or
morals-in-action, or godliness, or
...So do you think morality is of the
devil? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:05
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
Iz:Tell me the difference, as you
see it, then I'll give you an answer.
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June
15, 2004 13:56
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President
George Bush
OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a
"moral" president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a
"moral" neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he)
I'd always choose the former." So
whats the point?
Moral(ism) is, in my opinion, of the Devil. Do you also believe morality is of the
devil? Izzy
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June
15, 2004 11:41
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
How
about a moral President? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President
George Bush
Izzy:No! This is not an
example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I
heartily concur.
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
June 15, 2004 11:13
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
Example
of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month,
thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957
Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
John:Ouch!(again) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 14:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:48:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just for the record. I was at a concert to support Compassion International and Amy Grant was one of the singers - (I mainly went to hear Mercy Me) She gave quite a testimony and spoke about her sin and restoration. Laura Doesn't move me. The plan for most in her situation is to go ahead and commit the deed, then repent after she /he has destroyed whatever is in her/his way, collected and possessed the benefit, and in general made a mockery of the Lordship of Christ. John
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
Thanks for sharing your perception/experience John. I've seen too much of this in christian circles and you don't very often hear from the one who was hurt. I used to like Amy Grant's music but have no heart for it anymore. She may be forgiven and restored in her relationship with God but I wonder if it would be better for the body of Christ and unbelievers who may be influenced also if prominent people who have been involved in this kind of thing just quietly disappeared, retired, or whatever. judyt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:02:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John:Disagree vehemently! God didn't stop listening to them and, neither have I. Vehemently?! Wow. It is not a salvation issue with me. But it is a leadership issue. Leaders in the church are to be above the fray. And I know that gospel singer is not a leader in the same sense as a prophet, teacher, preacher or elder. But with Amy, I just can't buy her albums. I know something about the situation between her and Pretty Boy. I saw the hurt in Chapman's face (Gary Chapman is or was her husband, right?). I have been through that same kind of disception and have no heart for those who pretend to be what they are not. I also do not watch movies about divorce, comedy or otherwise. Personal preference. God has not stopped listen to Amy but I have. I had just bought an album by Pretty Boy, too. It has never been opened. John
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In a message dated 6/15/2004 11:28:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John:Ouch!(again) Usually I am a really sweet guy, too. John
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Judyt:I'd say let's 'shun 'em'. It works for the JW's. I believe that all reconciliation should only be partial. From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 14:29 Subject: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Thanks for sharing your perception/experience John. I've seen too much of this in christian circles and you don't very often hear from the one who was hurt. I used to like Amy Grant's music but have no heart for it anymore. She may be forgiven and restored in her relationship with God but I wonder if it would be better for the body of Christ and unbelievers who may be influenced also if prominent people who have been involved in this kind of thing just quietly disappeared, retired, or whatever. judyt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:02:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John:Disagree vehemently! God didn't stop listening to them and, neither have I. Vehemently?! Wow. It is not a salvation issue with me. But it is a leadership issue. Leaders in the church are to be above the fray. And I know that gospel singer is not a leader in the same sense as a prophet, teacher, preacher or elder. But with Amy, I just can't buy her albums. I know something about the situation between her and Pretty Boy. I saw the hurt in Chapman's face (Gary Chapman is or was her husband, right?). I have been through that same kind of disception and have no heart for those who pretend to be what they are not. I also do not watch movies about divorce, comedy or otherwise. Personal preference. God has not stopped listen to Amy but I have. I had just bought an album by Pretty Boy, too. It has never been opened. John
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
I think you are alluding to “moral-ism” as a religion or substitute for Godly righteousness. Making moral choices is not moral-ism, but morality, or doing right, or righteousness, or morals-in-action, or godliness, or……...So do you think morality is of the devil? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Iz:Tell me the difference, as you see it, then I'll give you an answer. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 13:56 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a "moral" president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a "moral" neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he) I'd always choose the former." So what’s the point? Moral(ism) is, in my opinion, of the Devil. Do you also believe morality is of the devil? Izzy - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush How about a “moral” President? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:No! This is not an example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily concur. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
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In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:48:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just for the record. I was at a concert to support Compassion International and Amy Grant was one of the singers - (I mainly went to hear Mercy Me) She gave quite a testimony and spoke about her sin and restoration. Laura Doesn't move me. The plan for most in her situation is to go ahead and commit the deed, then repent after she /he has destroyed whatever is in her/his way, collected and possessed the benefit, and in general made a mockery of the Lordship of Christ. John
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Iz:Tell me the difference, as you see it, then I'll
give you an answer.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 15, 2004 13:56
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George
Bush
OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a "moral"
president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a "moral"
neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he) I'd always
choose the former." So whats the
point? Moral(ism)
is, in my opinion, of the Devil. Do you also believe morality is of the devil?
Izzy
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June
15, 2004 11:41
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
How
about a moral President? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President
George Bush
Izzy:No! This is not an example
of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily
concur.
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June
15, 2004 11:13
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
Example
of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month,
thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957
Izzy
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Izzy:Ouch! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 14:00 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush A frequent story by those who intended to do wrong, did it, and intended to be forgiven and restored all along. That does not change the fact that they are living in an adulterous relationship to this day (if they did not divorce on Biblical grounds). Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:47 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Just for the record. I was at a concert to support Compassion International and Amy Grant was one of the singers - (I mainly went to hear Mercy Me) She gave quite a testimony and spoke about her sin and restoration. Laura
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
A frequent story by those who intended to do wrong, did it, and intended to be “forgiven and restored” all along. That does not change the fact that they are living in an adulterous relationship to this day (if they did not divorce on Biblical grounds). Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Just for the record. I was at a concert to support Compassion International and Amy Grant was one of the singers - (I mainly went to hear Mercy Me) She gave quite a testimony and spoke about her sin and restoration. Laura
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I’d say that’s a miracle. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:He's the one I'd vote for given who's available. How's that? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush And who do YOU say he is? Are we back to “stupid” and “incompetent”, or do you have anything specific, as opposed to general slurs upon his character? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir but it did show GB for who he is)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a "moral" president? An acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a "moral" neighbor and to an "immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he) I'd always choose the former." So what’s the point? Moral(ism) is, in my opinion, of the Devil. Do you also believe morality is of the devil? Izzy - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush How about a “moral” President? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:No! This is not an example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily concur. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
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In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:02:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John:Disagree vehemently! God didn't stop listening to them and, neither have I. Vehemently?! Wow. It is not a salvation issue with me. But it is a leadership issue. Leaders in the church are to be above the fray. And I know that gospel singer is not a leader in the same sense as a prophet, teacher, preacher or elder. But with Amy, I just can't buy her albums. I know something about the situation between her and Pretty Boy. I saw the hurt in Chapman's face (Gary Chapman is or was her husband, right?). I have been through that same kind of disception and have no heart for those who pretend to be what they are not. I also do not watch movies about divorce, comedy or otherwise. Personal preference. God has not stopped listen to Amy but I have. I had just bought an album by Pretty Boy, too. It has never been opened. John
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Terry:I thought you skipped my posts? All (as in everyone of you) who thinks as do you on this DO NOT SPEAK FOR GOD! (God says 'Amen Lance) - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 12:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Lance Muir wrote: Judyt:No chuckle here. Good on ya mate. God does have sons and daughters who are Democrat & Greens (even some who make documentaries-note: it was a poorly made documentary but it did show GB for who he is) Christian Democrat has the same ring as giant shrimp or military intelligence. Can you say Oxymoron? That in no way implies that all, or even most Republicans are ChristiansTerry
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Just for the record. I was at a concert to support Compassion International and Amy Grant was one of the singers - (I mainly went to hear Mercy Me) She gave quite a testimony and spoke about her sin and restoration. Laura
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Izzy:He's the one I'd vote for given who's available. How's that? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush And who do YOU say he is? Are we back to stupid and incompetent, or do you have anything specific, as opposed to general slurs upon his character? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir but it did show GB for who he is)
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Lance Muir wrote: Judyt:No chuckle here. Good on ya mate. God does have sons and daughters who are Democrat & Greens (even some who make documentaries-note: it was a poorly made documentary but it did show GB for who he is) Christian Democrat has the same ring as giant shrimp or military intelligence. Can you say Oxymoron? That in no way implies that all, or even most Republicans are Christians Terry
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OK, I'll bite. How 'bout a "moral" president? An
acquaintance of mine said: "I've lived next door to a "moral" neighbor and to an
"immoral" neighbor. If I had a choice (said he) I'd always choose the former."
Moral(ism) is, in my opinion, of the Devil.
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Izzy:No! This is not an example of
a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily
concur.
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of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month,
thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957
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How about a “moral” President? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:No! This is not an example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily concur. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
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And who do YOU say he is? Are we back to “stupid” and “incompetent”, or do you have anything specific, as opposed to general slurs upon his character? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir but it did show GB for who he is)
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Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
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Izzy:No! This is not an example of a 'godly' president.It is however, a moral choice with which I heartily concur. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 11:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Example of godly President: Bush refuses to proclaim June as Gay Pride Month, thereby blocking federal funds for use of such. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38957 Izzy
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Judyt:No chuckle here. Good on ya mate. God does have sons and daughters who are Democrat & Greens (even some who make documentaries-note: it was a poorly made documentary but it did show GB for who he is) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 10:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] President George Bush From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/15/2004 6:30:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it?I am one of his biggest fans but you are right -- it is discouraging to me. I no longer listen to Amy Grant for the same reason. John To me it is one more validation of the truth of God's Word. Rush Limbaugh carried the conservative banner but he did mock, make fun of, and deride those on the other side. When it because public that he was addicted to Oxycontin what he had sown seemed to come back on him. I also wondered about his wife since drug addiction and secrecy/ deception go hand in hand it would have spilled over into the rest of his life. Sad, but my prayer is that he will learn, a public fall has to be very painful.
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I don't believe you Lance, you always have a lot to say about everything, I seldom meet anyone with so many opinions about so much; and the answer to your question is - No I don't chuckle, I am as serious as can be about the Truth of God and His Word which is what I am discussing these issues in the light of. Sad that all you can get from what DavidM and I write is what you consider to be "pontificating" but then I don't take it personally - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt: You just 'read' me so comprehensively that I'm without retort. Do you every go back, read your own posts then, chuckle?? You and DavidM have an heir of 'pontification' 'bout you. It can be difficult to take you seriously. From: Judy Taylor From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:Next time you're choosing a doctor, dentist, carpenter...employ the same standard. The above are temporal professions Lance even lthough Jesus was a carpenter in his youth. A President is also in a temporal and temporary position but one important enough that the man who leads by example as a public servant should be a man of honor and moral stature. God does not, in my opinion, override incompetence. God has a different standard from yours Lance because He knows the end from the beginning and while man looks at the outward appearance [..] God chose the imperfect Abraham (even though as someone pointed out he had inherited a lying spirit which came up when he was in a tight spot and which can be traced for four more generations after him); but God said "I know him that he will command his children and his household after him and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him" (Genesis 18:19) Hmmm at least not in the case of some on TT. In my opinion you do on occasion employ Scripture well. Sometimes you just downright mangle 'em. Incompetence and mangling in your eyesight Lance may be completely different in the eyesight of God.who is not a follower of Calvin/TFT, who is not a respecter of any man's person, and who most definitely does not have a liberal mindset. From: Judy Taylor From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Say no more Lance - A man's morality determines his theology You have given the answer to something I was pondering. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it?Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? Yes! To be a Head of State takes honor, moral character, and a certain stability that is rooted in moral decency. The true John Kennedy was not revealed until after his death and today it appears that he spent much of his time in office trying to hide his real priority. Promiscuity is a Kennedy family curse and Camelot was fantasy. Bill Clinton lived like his hero Kennedy during his 8yrs in office and because of this parents were forced to explain oral sex to grade school children and BC was publicly exposed as a liar and perjurer. What a shocking example for young Americans many of whom dream of being President "when they grow up." I'll take George W. and Laura any day, they represent decency. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Lance wrote:> > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice).>> Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that> you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for.>> Lance wrote:> > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of> > a person through their public performance.>> I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with> public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but> perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more> articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in> administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person> can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement.>> What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a> poor assessment of his intellectual abilities?>> Lance wrote:> > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder> > of the first order.>> Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I> have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very> significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be> achieved until everyone in
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Gracious Lance, your God is open to everything. Must not be the one who wrote scripture because He doesn't violate His own Word. It appears that Amy Grant was writing love notes to another woman's husband... Rush was just full of himself but then he never claimed to be a born again Christian, nor does he act like one who walks in the fear of God. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John:Disagree vehemently! God didn't stop listening to them and, neither have I. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 09:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush In a message dated 6/15/2004 6:30:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it?I am one of his biggest fans but you are right -- it is discouraging to me. I no longer listen to Amy Grant for the same reason. John
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Judyt: You just 'read' me so comprehensively that I'm without retort. Do you every go back, read your own posts then, chuckle?? You and DavidM have an heir of 'pontification' 'bout you. It can be difficult to take you seriously. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 10:11 Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:Next time you're choosing a doctor, dentist, carpenter...employ the same standard. The above are temporal professions Lance even lthough Jesus was a carpenter in his youth. A President is also in a temporal and temporary position but one important enough that the man who leads by example as a public servant should be a man of honor and moral stature. God does not, in my opinion, override incompetence. God has a different standard from yours Lance because He knows the end from the beginning and while man looks at the outward appearance [..] God chose the imperfect Abraham (even though as someone pointed out he had inherited a lying spirit which came up when he was in a tight spot and which can be traced for four more generations after him); but God said "I know him that he will command his children and his household after him and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him" (Genesis 18:19) Hmmm at least not in the case of some on TT. In my opinion you do on occasion employ Scripture well. Sometimes you just downright mangle 'em. Incompetence and mangling in your eyesight Lance may be completely different in the eyesight of God.who is not a follower of Calvin/TFT, who is not a respecter of any man's person, and who most definitely does not have a liberal mindset. From: Judy Taylor From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Say no more Lance - A man's morality determines his theology You have given the answer to something I was pondering. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it?Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? Yes! To be a Head of State takes honor, moral character, and a certain stability that is rooted in moral decency. The true John Kennedy was not revealed until after his death and today it appears that he spent much of his time in office trying to hide his real priority. Promiscuity is a Kennedy family curse and Camelot was fantasy. Bill Clinton lived like his hero Kennedy during his 8yrs in office and because of this parents were forced to explain oral sex to grade school children and BC was publicly exposed as a liar and perjurer. What a shocking example for young Americans many of whom dream of being President "when they grow up." I'll take George W. and Laura any day, they represent decency. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Lance wrote:> > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice).>> Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that> you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for.>> Lance wrote:> > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of> > a person through their public performance.>> I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with> public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but> perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more> articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in> administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person> can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement.>> What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a> poor assessment of his intellectual abilities?>> Lance wrote:> > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder> > of the first order.>> Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I> have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very> significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be> achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ.>> Peace be
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/15/2004 6:30:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it?I am one of his biggest fans but you are right -- it is discouraging to me. I no longer listen to Amy Grant for the same reason. John To me it is one more validation of the truth of God's Word. Rush Limbaugh carried the conservative banner but he did mock, make fun of, and deride those on the other side. When it because public that he was addicted to Oxycontin what he had sown seemed to come back on him. I also wondered about his wife since drug addiction and secrecy/ deception go hand in hand it would have spilled over into the rest of his life. Sad, but my prayer is that he will learn, a public fall has to be very painful.
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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:Next time you're choosing a doctor, dentist, carpenter...employ the same standard. The above are temporal professions Lance even lthough Jesus was a carpenter in his youth. A President is also in a temporal and temporary position but one important enough that the man who leads by example as a public servant should be a man of honor and moral stature. God does not, in my opinion, override incompetence. God has a different standard from yours Lance because He knows the end from the beginning and while man looks at the outward appearance [..] God chose the imperfect Abraham (even though as someone pointed out he had inherited a lying spirit which came up when he was in a tight spot and which can be traced for four more generations after him); but God said "I know him that he will command his children and his household after him and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him" (Genesis 18:19) Hmmm at least not in the case of some on TT. In my opinion you do on occasion employ Scripture well. Sometimes you just downright mangle 'em. Incompetence and mangling in your eyesight Lance may be completely different in the eyesight of God.who is not a follower of Calvin/TFT, who is not a respecter of any man's person, and who most definitely does not have a liberal mindset. From: Judy Taylor From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Say no more Lance - A man's morality determines his theology You have given the answer to something I was pondering. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it?Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? Yes! To be a Head of State takes honor, moral character, and a certain stability that is rooted in moral decency. The true John Kennedy was not revealed until after his death and today it appears that he spent much of his time in office trying to hide his real priority. Promiscuity is a Kennedy family curse and Camelot was fantasy. Bill Clinton lived like his hero Kennedy during his 8yrs in office and because of this parents were forced to explain oral sex to grade school children and BC was publicly exposed as a liar and perjurer. What a shocking example for young Americans many of whom dream of being President "when they grow up." I'll take George W. and Laura any day, they represent decency. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Lance wrote:> > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice).>> Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that> you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for.>> Lance wrote:> > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of> > a person through their public performance.>> I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with> public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but> perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more> articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in> administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person> can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement.>> What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a> poor assessment of his intellectual abilities?>> Lance wrote:> > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder> > of the first order.>> Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I> have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very> significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be> achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ.>> Peace be with you.> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.>> --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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John:Disagree vehemently! God didn't stop listening to them and, neither have I. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 09:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush In a message dated 6/15/2004 6:30:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it?I am one of his biggest fans but you are right -- it is discouraging to me. I no longer listen to Amy Grant for the same reason. John
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In a message dated 6/15/2004 6:30:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it? I am one of his biggest fans but you are right -- it is discouraging to me. I no longer listen to Amy Grant for the same reason. John
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:Given the fair characterization proferred, Heathen of course. No doubt 'bout it. Lance, which issues do you take issue with? Yikes!! and, I 'wondered' concerning the proliferation of militia groups in America the beautiful?? Wonder no more. PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it? Certainly is. I was wondering what effect all the media attacks were having on his marriage. I think he is a generally moral man, but I am not certain whether he is a true Believer. However, one cannot stop a spouse that is determined to desert the marriage. We should pray for him. Izzy - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 15, 2004 09:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, Once again here goes: > > Believer = Pro-Life, Anti-Sodomy, Anti-confiscatory taxes on families, etc. > Heathen = Pro-Abortion, Pro-Sodomy, Pro-Socialism, etc. > So which way should one vote? > > Why do you object to the idea that we are ALL subject to God's judgment for > sins we commit? Why don't you think God will judge us for slandering godly > men? > > Izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > > Izzy:Answer: No. By the by; to all and sundry: Believer=Republican? > Unbeliever=Democrat? I think not. > > All you folks had best think about this 'judgement' you so frequently > dispense, on God's behalf, coming back on your own heads. The vindictive > comments concerning media and party leaders, other than your own are > unbecoming. GB is no more God's chosen vessel, dispensing America's brand of > righteousness on the world, than was BC. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: June 14, 2004 18:41 > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > > > > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal > media, > > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you > think > > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against > those > > that He considers righteous? Izzy > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > > > several years. > > > > > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > > > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > > > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > > > > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > > > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > > > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > > > VERY intelligent. > > > > > > Peace be with you. > > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you m
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That's the whole problem with Liberals. They prefer immorality. Of course, that's all they have to choose from. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Izzy:Given the fair characterization proferred, Heathen of course. No doubt 'bout it. Yikes!! and, I 'wondered' concerning the proliferation of militia groups in America the beautiful?? Wonder no more. PS:Sad about the 'Rushmeister' isn't it? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 15, 2004 09:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, Once again here goes: > > Believer = Pro-Life, Anti-Sodomy, Anti-confiscatory taxes on families, etc. > Heathen = Pro-Abortion, Pro-Sodomy, Pro-Socialism, etc. > So which way should one vote? > > Why do you object to the idea that we are ALL subject to God's judgment for > sins we commit? Why don't you think God will judge us for slandering godly > men? > > Izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > > Izzy:Answer: No. By the by; to all and sundry: Believer=Republican? > Unbeliever=Democrat? I think not. > > All you folks had best think about this 'judgement' you so frequently > dispense, on God's behalf, coming back on your own heads. The vindictive > comments concerning media and party leaders, other than your own are > unbecoming. GB is no more God's chosen vessel, dispensing America's brand of > righteousness on the world, than was BC. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: June 14, 2004 18:41 > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > > > > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal > media, > > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you > think > > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against > those > > that He considers righteous? Izzy > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > > > several years. > > > > > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > > > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > > > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > > > > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > > > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > > > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > > > VERY intelligent. > > > > > > Peace be with you. > > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Lance, If you choose to watch documentaries that ridicule our President then you are choosing to have a biased view of the truth. You choose what you want to believe about a person, for good or for evil. The only time I choose to believe evil about anyone is in the light of obvious sinful acts. Otherwise one is not walking in I Cor. 13. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush DavidM:There's a documentary out (DVD) entitled 'My Journey With George' Rent it. Say n'more, know what I mean, nod's as good as a wink' (Monty Python) I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it? Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a 'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 15, 2004 06:05 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance wrote: > > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice). > > Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that > you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for. > > Lance wrote: > > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of > > a person through their public performance. > > I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with > public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but > perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more > articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in > administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person > can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement. > > What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a > poor assessment of his intellectual abilities? > > Lance wrote: > > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder > > of the first order. > > Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I > have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very > significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be > achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Lance, Once again here goes: Believer = Pro-Life, Anti-Sodomy, Anti-confiscatory taxes on families, etc. Heathen = Pro-Abortion, Pro-Sodomy, Pro-Socialism, etc. So which way should one vote? Why do you object to the idea that we are ALL subject to God's judgment for sins we commit? Why don't you think God will judge us for slandering godly men? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Izzy:Answer: No. By the by; to all and sundry: Believer=Republican? Unbeliever=Democrat? I think not. All you folks had best think about this 'judgement' you so frequently dispense, on God's behalf, coming back on your own heads. The vindictive comments concerning media and party leaders, other than your own are unbecoming. GB is no more God's chosen vessel, dispensing America's brand of righteousness on the world, than was BC. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 14, 2004 18:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those > that He considers righteous? Izzy > > -Original Message- > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > > several years. > > > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > > VERY intelligent. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Judyt:Next time you're choosing a doctor, dentist, carpenter...employ the same standard. God does not, in my opinion, override incompetence. Hmmm at least not in the case of some on TT. In my opinion you do on occasion employ Scripture well. Sometimes you just downright mangle 'em. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 15, 2004 08:18 Subject: [TruthTalk] President George Bush From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Say no more Lance - A man's morality determines his theology You have given the answer to something I was pondering. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it?Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? Yes! To be a Head of State takes honor, moral character, and a certain stability that is rooted in moral decency. The true John Kennedy was not revealed until after his death and today it appears that he spent much of his time in office trying to hide his real priority. Promiscuity is a Kennedy family curse and Camelot was fantasy. Bill Clinton lived like his hero Kennedy during his 8yrs in office and because of this parents were forced to explain oral sex to grade school children and BC was publicly exposed as a liar and perjurer. What a shocking example for young Americans many of whom dream of being President "when they grow up." I'll take George W. and Laura any day, they represent decency. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Lance wrote:> > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice).>> Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that> you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for.>> Lance wrote:> > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of> > a person through their public performance.>> I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with> public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but> perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more> articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in> administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person> can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement.>> What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a> poor assessment of his intellectual abilities?>> Lance wrote:> > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder> > of the first order.>> Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I> have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very> significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be> achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ.>> Peace be with you.> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.>> --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Say no more Lance - A man's morality determines his theology You have given the answer to something I was pondering. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it?Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? Yes! To be a Head of State takes honor, moral character, and a certain stability that is rooted in moral decency. The true John Kennedy was not revealed until after his death and today it appears that he spent much of his time in office trying to hide his real priority. Promiscuity is a Kennedy family curse and Camelot was fantasy. Bill Clinton lived like his hero Kennedy during his 8yrs in office and because of this parents were forced to explain oral sex to grade school children and BC was publicly exposed as a liar and perjurer. What a shocking example for young Americans many of whom dream of being President "when they grow up." I'll take George W. and Laura any day, they represent decency. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Lance wrote:> > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice).>> Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that> you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for.>> Lance wrote:> > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of> > a person through their public performance.>> I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with> public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but> perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more> articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in> administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person> can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement.>> What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a> poor assessment of his intellectual abilities?>> Lance wrote:> > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder> > of the first order.>> Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I> have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very> significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be> achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ.>> Peace be with you.> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.>> --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
DavidM:There's a documentary out (DVD) entitled 'My Journey With George' Rent it. Say n'more, know what I mean, nod's as good as a wink' (Monty Python) I'd take an immoral John Kennedy over a moral George Bush any day. Pick a profession, any profession at all (I've removed the jokers). Got it? Don't let me see it. Now let me tell you that whatever it is simply being a 'believer' doesn't intrinsically make you better at it. Anyone disagree? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 15, 2004 06:05 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance wrote: > > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice). > > Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that > you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for. > > Lance wrote: > > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of > > a person through their public performance. > > I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with > public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but > perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more > articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in > administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person > can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement. > > What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a > poor assessment of his intellectual abilities? > > Lance wrote: > > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder > > of the first order. > > Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I > have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very > significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be > achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Izzy:Answer: No. By the by; to all and sundry: Believer=Republican? Unbeliever=Democrat? I think not. All you folks had best think about this 'judgement' you so frequently dispense, on God's behalf, coming back on your own heads. The vindictive comments concerning media and party leaders, other than your own are unbecoming. GB is no more God's chosen vessel, dispensing America's brand of righteousness on the world, than was BC. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 14, 2004 18:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those > that He considers righteous? Izzy > > -Original Message- > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > > several years. > > > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > > VERY intelligent. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Lance wrote: > The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice). Thank you for that admission. I guess this is as close to saying that you were wrong to call Bush stupid as we might hope for. Lance wrote: > I do think that one can take the 'measure' of > a person through their public performance. I agree, but we should not confuse hours of television interviews with public performance, right? Some look good in front of the camera but perform poorly off the camera. Some write well while others are more articulate orally. Some cannot write or speak, but perform well in administrative responsibilities. There are many ways in which a person can be measured, and television interviews is only one measurement. What did Bush say or do in his television interviews that gave you a poor assessment of his intellectual abilities? Lance wrote: > The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder > of the first order. Why do you think so? I cannot find one problem with the decision. I have always supported this move and still do. I believe it was a very significant move toward world peace, although true peace will not be achieved until everyone in the world believes in Jesus Christ. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Bill, Not being one of you "big thinkers" I doubt I can answer these questions to your satisfaction. Ah Izzy, no big thoughts here. I was just wondering how you thought we could determine such things. I think your answers are satifactory -- quite so, in fact. Only God knows who He considers "righteous", as He can see the heart as well as all of a person's actions/intents that we cannot. However the Bible tells us that (Gen 15:6) Abraham "believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." Deuteronomy 6:25 "And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us." So it seems to me that if one Believes and, as a result, Obeys the Lord, they are counted as righteous by Him. One problem in stating that someone is "stupid" in their actions is that you cannot know what the Lord has told him to do (unless it is obviously sin according to God's laws). However, one indicator of whether someone is a righteous man is the comportment of his life. For example, is he truthful, loyal, trustworthy, faithful, and does he give honor to his Lord? If he displays integrity over a long period of time, with no obvious sin, one can assume that he is living righteously. How will God judge us if we are not righteous? Your question, as I understood it, was a bit more specific than this. You asked, ". . . do you think that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those that He considers righteous?" I was just wondering what you were thinking this judgment from God -- if it were to be made -- might involve. I was turning the question back on you, in other words, hoping to draw out of you what you were thinking. I would assume in both this life and the next. In this life by the natural consequences of a sinful life, which are often not seen by the outside world. In the next by either lack of rewards or even by hell itself. That's about as much as I have figured it out so far. I'd appreciate any further help on the subject myself. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wm. TaylorSent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush I'm curious, Izzy, Who is it whom God considers "righteous" and how is it that we can tell? Another question, When you ask if "God will judge us," what kind of judgment do you have in mind; are you thinking in terms of something specific -- e.g., like maybe he will send us to hell? Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those > that He considers righteous? Izzy >
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Bill, Not being one of you "big thinkers" I doubt I can answer these questions to your satisfaction. Only God knows who He considers "righteous", as He can see the heart as well as all of a person's actions/intents that we cannot. However the Bible tells us that (Gen 15:6) Abraham "believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." Deuteronomy 6:25 "And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us." So it seems to me that if one Believes and, as a result, Obeys the Lord, they are counted as righteous by Him. One problem in stating that someone is "stupid" in their actions is that you cannot know what the Lord has told him to do (unless it is obviously sin according to God's laws). However, one indicator of whether someone is a righteous man is the comportment of his life. For example, is he truthful, loyal, trustworthy, faithful, and does he give honor to his Lord? If he displays integrity over a long period of time, with no obvious sin, one can assume that he is living righteously. How will God judge us if we are not righteous? I would assume in both this life and the next. In this life by the natural consequences of a sinful life, which are often not seen by the outside world. In the next by either lack of rewards or even by hell itself. That's about as much as I have figured it out so far. I'd appreciate any further help on the subject myself. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wm. Taylor Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush I'm curious, Izzy, Who is it whom God considers "righteous" and how is it that we can tell? Another question, When you ask if "God will judge us," what kind of judgment do you have in mind; are you thinking in terms of something specific -- e.g., like maybe he will send us to hell? Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those > that He considers righteous? Izzy >
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
I'm curious, Izzy, Who is it whom God considers "righteous" and how is it that we can tell? Another question, When you ask if "God will judge us," what kind of judgment do you have in mind; are you thinking in terms of something specific -- e.g., like maybe he will send us to hell? Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, > you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think > that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those > that He considers righteous? Izzy > > -Original Message- > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > > several years. > > > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > > VERY intelligent. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those that He considers righteous? Izzy -Original Message- > > Lance wrote: > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > several years. > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > VERY intelligent. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush
DavidM:The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice). I stand by the balance of what I said concerning Bush. Yes, I do think that one can take the 'measure' of a person through their public performance. I've been called stupid and worse. There are occasions when it was applicable. PS:The 'Iraq choice' was, in my judgement, a blunder of the first order. Lance - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 14, 2004 14:24 Subject: [TruthTalk] President George Bush > Lance wrote: > > I don't hate him. I don't speak evil of him. > > Reality Check Please. > > Do you call your wife or children stupid? Do you call your mother or > father stupid? Are there any loved ones that you call stupid? > > Perhaps you are deceiving yourself if you think calling someone who was > intelligent enough to earn a bachelor's degree from Yale University and > a Master of Business Administration from Harvard STUPID! Let's also not > forget that George Bush was intelligent enough to be elected Governor of > Texas and also elected President of the United States. How many stupid > people do that? > > By the way, if I called you stupid, would that be speaking evil of you, > or would you consider that to be a compliment? I truly think you need > to reconsider your reasons for calling Bush stupid. > > Lance wrote: > > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > > & talks which have been televised over the last > > several years. > > Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of > interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come > across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. > > I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his > intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong > leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be > VERY intelligent. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] President George Bush
Lance wrote: > I don't hate him. I don't speak evil of him. Reality Check Please. Do you call your wife or children stupid? Do you call your mother or father stupid? Are there any loved ones that you call stupid? Perhaps you are deceiving yourself if you think calling someone who was intelligent enough to earn a bachelor's degree from Yale University and a Master of Business Administration from Harvard STUPID! Let's also not forget that George Bush was intelligent enough to be elected Governor of Texas and also elected President of the United States. How many stupid people do that? By the way, if I called you stupid, would that be speaking evil of you, or would you consider that to be a compliment? I truly think you need to reconsider your reasons for calling Bush stupid. Lance wrote: > My 'opinion' of his brightness or, lack of same, > is simply based on many (many) hours of interviews > & talks which have been televised over the last > several years. Do you really think that we can judge intelligence based upon hours of interviews made for television? I wonder how Albert Einstein would come across on television interviews. His photos sure make him look dumb. I use to think like you did when I first saw Bush speaking, but his intelligence is very evident in the decisions he makes and his strong leadership in spite of political pressures. I now consider Bush to be VERY intelligent. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
